[nycwireless] REMOVE ME PLEASE!!!
How many requests do I have to make to remove me from this e-mail list? Please tell me: - Original Message - From: "Kevin Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] NYCwireless mailing list etiquette -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 09:16:30PM -0500, Dustin Goodwin wrote: There have been several heated exchanges on the list recently. As far as I am concerned, the rules of polite debate have been wildly violated. I am working on a list etiquette document that I will send out shortly. I hope we can raise the level of civil dialogue on the list. - Dustin - Hi Dustin, you are entitled to revise the rules as you see fit but the frequency of these 'wild violations' is something that does not represent a pattern of the vast majority of posters. And the recent heated exchanges have been very informative and I suspect will die down of their own accord. So, at least from my point of view, no rule change is in order. Cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEHpZtv8UcC1qRZVMRAqVjAJ4gtPI3A1J/eHK2TJmXuU+AuR+AdQCaAwFO 2hRpJDW7Cti8e0hM/OtZzMI= =bFL4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
I seem to remember having asked to be taken off this list. Is nycwireless that inept? I wonder. - Original Message - From: "Ruben Safir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Jim Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments] On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:50 -0800, Jim Henry wrote: Ruben, I do not work for Time Warner. Yeah - right. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
Why not this is as good as spam! - Original Message - From: "Michael Stearne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Dana Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband On 1/13/06, vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am tired of this conservative bashing. I am leaving this list!! g b all Don't cut and run. - Original Message - From: "Dana Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband > Jim, > > This is my last response to you, because you seem to be doing what > many right-wing politicians are quite good at: changing the subject. > > This shouldn't be a discussion about whether the municipal networks > are going to work or not. I dare-say that common sense tells us that > some number will be successful, and some number will not. How you > evaluate their outcomes relies almost entirely on your point of view. > > The real, fundamental problem is that America has slow, expensive, > and only partially available broadband when compared to just about > every other industrialized nation. This is especially embarrassing > considering that we invented the damn technology, and nurtured it for > its first two decades. > > This is a _fact_. No amount of hewing and hawing, or dancing around > the subject will change this. > > Another fact: our sorry state of broadband has occurred over the past > 5 years. A period of time when Conservative Republicans have been > running this country and calling (almost) all of the shots. > > So, there arise really two questions (which you seem to be entirely > unable to answer and which is why, I suspect, you'd rather change the > subject): > > 1) Why is the state of broadband in America so awful? > and > 2) What are you going to do about it? > > This is less a question for you directly, but rather a question for > those in charge of this Country. > > And the answer _isn't_ more competition in the future and a more open > marketplace with fewer regulations. THAT is an end result of good > policy-making. I want to know what we're doing that's failing, and > what we should be doing instead. If we put in place good policy, more > competition in a healthy marketplace will happen by itself. > > And I'm not pro-muniwireless or anti-muniwireless, or left-wing or > right-wing, or even Republican or Democrat. I'm an independent. > > Dana Spiegel > Executive Director > NYCwireless > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.NYCwireless.net > +1 917 402 0422 > > Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info > > > On Jan 12, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Jim Henry wrote: > >> Dana, >>I've read the article you reference, and, like the one I >> provided a link >> to, it is interesting. They make some good points. However, like >> the PFF >> paper, it's an advocacy document. I found no mention of municipalities >> failing, or at least not doing as well, as commercial enterprises in >> delivering critical services. There are certainly examples, such as >> Philadelphia's PGW or NYC's water utility (nowhere near as bad as >> PGW I'm >> sure, but failing to meter water is still pretty bad). No mention of a >> possible negative outcome from a municipal offering. >>I am not too familiar with freepress.net but from checking their >> web >> site, even though they claim to be non-partisan the stories they >> offer seem >> to be coming from a leftist point of view. >> >> Jim >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>> Of Dana Spiegel >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:06 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net >>> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband >>> >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> Perhaps you should do a bit more research. >>> >>> The PFF is well known to rely on half-truths and misrepresentations >>> of fact to support their anti-municipal agenda. >>> >>> Free Press has released a white paper that provides the whole story, >>> and if you look at government broadband initiatives, they are >>> overwhelmingly cost saving and beneficial to local communities. >>> >>> http://www.freepress.net/docs/mb_whit
Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
I am tired of this conservative bashing. I am leaving this list!! g b all - Original Message - From: "Dana Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband Jim, This is my last response to you, because you seem to be doing what many right-wing politicians are quite good at: changing the subject. This shouldn't be a discussion about whether the municipal networks are going to work or not. I dare-say that common sense tells us that some number will be successful, and some number will not. How you evaluate their outcomes relies almost entirely on your point of view. The real, fundamental problem is that America has slow, expensive, and only partially available broadband when compared to just about every other industrialized nation. This is especially embarrassing considering that we invented the damn technology, and nurtured it for its first two decades. This is a _fact_. No amount of hewing and hawing, or dancing around the subject will change this. Another fact: our sorry state of broadband has occurred over the past 5 years. A period of time when Conservative Republicans have been running this country and calling (almost) all of the shots. So, there arise really two questions (which you seem to be entirely unable to answer and which is why, I suspect, you'd rather change the subject): 1) Why is the state of broadband in America so awful? and 2) What are you going to do about it? This is less a question for you directly, but rather a question for those in charge of this Country. And the answer _isn't_ more competition in the future and a more open marketplace with fewer regulations. THAT is an end result of good policy-making. I want to know what we're doing that's failing, and what we should be doing instead. If we put in place good policy, more competition in a healthy marketplace will happen by itself. And I'm not pro-muniwireless or anti-muniwireless, or left-wing or right-wing, or even Republican or Democrat. I'm an independent. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info On Jan 12, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Jim Henry wrote: Dana, I've read the article you reference, and, like the one I provided a link to, it is interesting. They make some good points. However, like the PFF paper, it's an advocacy document. I found no mention of municipalities failing, or at least not doing as well, as commercial enterprises in delivering critical services. There are certainly examples, such as Philadelphia's PGW or NYC's water utility (nowhere near as bad as PGW I'm sure, but failing to meter water is still pretty bad). No mention of a possible negative outcome from a municipal offering. I am not too familiar with freepress.net but from checking their web site, even though they claim to be non-partisan the stories they offer seem to be coming from a leftist point of view. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Spiegel Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband Jim, Perhaps you should do a bit more research. The PFF is well known to rely on half-truths and misrepresentations of fact to support their anti-municipal agenda. Free Press has released a white paper that provides the whole story, and if you look at government broadband initiatives, they are overwhelmingly cost saving and beneficial to local communities. http://www.freepress.net/docs/mb_white_paper.pdf Also, PFF's supporters include (and are primarily) every incumbent telecom and cable company: http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html While this isn't a problem in and of itself, it should make you wonder where their views and motivations are coming from. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Jim Henry wrote: Here's an interesting study on government going into the telecom business. http://www.pff.org/issues-pubs/pops/pop11.3govtownership.pdf Jim -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/ nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 -- NYCwireless - http://www.ny
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
Hey I got hit with the "Reply-All" first and there was a bunch of crap on it. It was my duty to respond. I think you should go after this mike guy... If the stuff he sent me did not have your address on it then you never would have received my educational reply. Thanks but it is not necessary to send me an include or do not include e-mail. -=vic - Original Message - From: "Eric Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'Michael Stearne'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'vic'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Cienfuegos'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband This thread is getting silly, and is not relevant to the purposes of the group - if possible, could the thread be limited to the interested parties - if you want to be on this, please send an e-mail to Michael, Jim and Vic, and then they will involve only you - and not the whole group. Thanks, Eric Jim Henry wrote: Michael, If you honestly believe the war with Iraq was for the reason you list, then you need to diversify your news sources and get informed. Additionally, Vic and I have been civil and tried to discuss this intelligently. I see no reason to resort to name calling, as now both us us have been called "Kool-aid drinker". That's usually what happens when one side of an issue can no longer support its argument with facts. Respectfully, Jim -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:16 AM To: vic Cc: Cienfuegos; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: This thread is getting silly, and is not relevant to the purposes of the group - if possible, could the thread be limited to the interested parties - if you want to be on this, please send an e-mail to Michael or Jim, and then they will involve only you - and not the whole group. Thanks, [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband On 1/8/06, vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They said they had "nuclear capabilities" not "nuke weapons". There is a What "nuclear" capabilities did they find? difference. Well lets say you go walking down the street and you see a gun... you pick it up you look in the chamber and it is empty. A gun with out bullets is still a weapon. All you have to do is put the bullets in. BTW No, let's say you invaded a country for an empty tractor trailer and 3,000 U.S. soldiers died because of it. An empty "laboratory" is a weapon? I don't think the people from Alabama appreciate your comment. "You" are safe because people have gone and died to keep "you" safe. Be a little more appreciative. I have a cousin permanently disabled from his service in Iraq and more than one friend currently in the desert. Don't question my patriotism. get with the program and stop trying to be cute. BTW it's "ciao" not "cio" Kool-Aid drinker. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
Ya know I am getting real tired of playing teacher. Perhaps I should smoke pot and become a college professor. LOL! http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/ "U.S. officials emphasized this was not evidence Iraq had a nuclear weapon -- but it was evidence the Iraqis concealed plans to reconstitute their nuclear program as soon as the world was no longer looking. The parts and documents Obeidi gave the CIA were... " Just one of many examples. Mike your tuition is overdue and you will not receive your grade, albeit low, until you have paid your tuition. LOL! -=vic - Original Message - From: "Michael Stearne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cienfuegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband On 1/8/06, vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They said they had "nuclear capabilities" not "nuke weapons". There is a What "nuclear" capabilities did they find? difference. Well lets say you go walking down the street and you see a gun... you pick it up you look in the chamber and it is empty. A gun with out bullets is still a weapon. All you have to do is put the bullets in. BTW No, let's say you invaded a country for an empty tractor trailer and 3,000 U.S. soldiers died because of it. An empty "laboratory" is a weapon? I don't think the people from Alabama appreciate your comment. "You" are safe because people have gone and died to keep "you" safe. Be a little more appreciative. I have a cousin permanently disabled from his service in Iraq and more than one friend currently in the desert. Don't question my patriotism. get with the program and stop trying to be cute. BTW it's "ciao" not "cio" Kool-Aid drinker. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read!
We will never "invade" china. We will do it through free markets and trade. -=vic --- VICTOR SCELBA - Original Message - From: "Michael Stearne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "nycwireless" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! On 1/8/06, Jim Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Billy Bob, Let's see, GDP keeps on clicking at 3-4 % growth pretty much every year... The same was true in 2005. Inflation practically non-existent. Unemployment about as low as it's been ever in our history, Home ownership at an all time high. State of the country is such that those who the U.S classifies as in poverty often own televisions, phones, cars, and get food every day! Compare that to some other countries. We've removed one of the most evil dictators in history from power and in only 3 years that country, which has never known a democratic tradition, has easily made more progress than our own You've convinced me. Let get those commie bastards in China next! Freedom is on the march! When are we invading China for their human rights and U.N. violations? -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
They said they had "nuclear capabilities" not "nuke weapons". There is a difference. Well lets say you go walking down the street and you see a gun... you pick it up you look in the chamber and it is empty. A gun with out bullets is still a weapon. All you have to do is put the bullets in. BTW I don't think the people from Alabama appreciate your comment. "You" are safe because people have gone and died to keep "you" safe. Be a little more appreciative. get with the program and stop trying to be cute. -=vic - Original Message - From: "Michael Stearne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cienfuegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband On 1/7/06, vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We already found WMD. We found a mobile weapons laboratory almost right away. There were no chems in it but is was there. We know he had WMD because So what you're saying is that we invaded Iraq for an empty double-wide trailer? Are we invading Alabama next (no offense - Roll Tide)? Where are the "mushroom cloud" weapons we were told they had? WE the US GAVE WMD to Iraq to fight Iran. Please I thirst for intelligent convo.. Prior to invasion Iraq's military FIRED on our US planes almost 50 TIMES. And exactly 0 U.S. soldiers died because of these shots. At this point we could just send in UAVs to do the patrolling over the then contained Iraq. Since the war 2193 U.S. citizens have been killed and 16155 soldiers (including my cousin) have been permantly wounded. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read!
I am getting fat!! LOL!!! -=vic - Original Message - From: "Jim Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Billy Bob'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Dustin Goodwin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'nycwireless'" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! Billy Bob, Let's see, GDP keeps on clicking at 3-4 % growth pretty much every year... The same was true in 2005. Inflation practically non-existent. Unemployment about as low as it's been ever in our history, Home ownership at an all time high. State of the country is such that those who the U.S classifies as in poverty often own televisions, phones, cars, and get food every day! Compare that to some other countries. We've removed one of the most evil dictators in history from power and in only 3 years that country, which has never known a democratic tradition, has easily made more progress than our own country in its first dozen years. We've done that, all the while suffering lower casualty rates than any war we've ever had to fight. We've influenced Libya to renounce its WMD program. We had a lot to do with freeing Lebanon from Syria's grip. Very likley that Assad in Syria will fall this year After being attacked in 2001, our country's defense and security forces have prevented all attempts since. I am not naïve enough to believe that al Queda hasn't tried. Simultaneously we have set up a kill zone in Iraq where every every month hundreds of terrorists from all over the world continue to funnel in, while we continue to capture and kill them. While our economy just keeps on humming, the economies of western Europe continue to sputter. So how exactly do you MEASURE a good economy?? Probably the greatest problem facing Americans today is that we are getting FAT?? Jim -Original Message- From: Billy Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! No... I'm not kidding. If you really believe that, then you live in LaLa land. Not only does our economy suck but so does our current state of our country as a whole. -Original Message- From: Jim Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:58 AM To: 'Billy Bob'; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! You're kidding, right? ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Billy Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' > Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! > > > "...we have the strongest economy in the world"... > > Where do you live?? > > Certainly not here. > > Bruce > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim > Henry > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:20 PM > To: 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' > Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! > > OK, guess I should have read the article first:-). No thanks to govt. > subsidized broadband. We already have too much of a socialist load on > our economy. The fact that we have less socialism than most other > countries is probably the main reason that we have the strongest > economy in the world, > the envy of other nations. Just my two cents. > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dustin > > Goodwin > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:40 AM > > To: nycwireless > > Subject: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! > > > > > > If you think you have a well developed theory on the why or > why not of > > the municipal broadband debate you must read this article. Some of > > the conclusions: The US is desperately behind in broaband compared > > to the rest the world. As for existing US broadband.We are paying > > way too > much for way > > too little compared to the rest of the world. > > US monopolies are have bloated the price of broadband and slowed > > investment. Lack of Federal and State policy/programs/tax > > breaks/incentives are mostly to blame. > > As we learned during the electrification of the rural US free > > enterprise is not the best system for bringing real low > cost broadband > > to everyone. If your municipality really wants to be on the > broadband > > grid and your expecting help from private telcos... your screwed. > > Municipal b
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
We already found WMD. We found a mobile weapons laboratory almost right away. There were no chems in it but is was there. We know he had WMD because WE the US GAVE WMD to Iraq to fight Iran. Please I thirst for intelligent convo.. Prior to invasion Iraq's military FIRED on our US planes almost 50 TIMES. Last time I checked when one nation's army fires on another nation's Air Force that in itself is an act of war. Get the facts man.... Cio baby, -=vic --- VICTOR SCELBA - Original Message - From: "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'vic'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Cienfuegos'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: RE: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband I'll bet you're still looking for WMD's to justify "war debts" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vic Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:32 PM To: Cienfuegos; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband Biggest debtor yes but not debt by proportion to GDP. Our debt is small when compared to our GDP. War debts let us have comparative safety on the streets to trade and partially keep up the value of the USD. -=vic --- - Original Message - From: "Cienfuegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband Lets try to keep our conversations down to earth please. Those who are terrified about govt. subsidized broadband, rather than repeating the erroneous and semi-religious mantra of the wonders of a capitalist economy a little education on the subject would go a long way. The biggest debtor nation in the world is the USA, and where is the outcry for the 40% of the gnp that goes to fund the pentagon and other war related depts? Lets keep it on the tech tip shall we, that is why signed on for this mailing list. Aias -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read!
We have a trillion dollar economy and interest rates are at record lows. What are you talking about. I don't think you have ever taken a business class or watched news other then the MTV news. -=vic --- - Original Message - From: "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Dustin Goodwin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'nycwireless'" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! No... I'm not kidding. If you really believe that, then you live in LaLa land. Not only does our economy suck but so does our current state of our country as a whole. -Original Message- From: Jim Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:58 AM To: 'Billy Bob'; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! You're kidding, right? ;-) -Original Message- From: Billy Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! "...we have the strongest economy in the world"... Where do you live?? Certainly not here. Bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Henry Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:20 PM To: 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! OK, guess I should have read the article first:-). No thanks to govt. subsidized broadband. We already have too much of a socialist load on our economy. The fact that we have less socialism than most other countries is probably the main reason that we have the strongest economy in the world, the envy of other nations. Just my two cents. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin > Goodwin > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:40 AM > To: nycwireless > Subject: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! > > > If you think you have a well developed theory on the why or why not of > the municipal broadband debate you must read this article. > Some of the conclusions: > The US is desperately behind in broaband compared to the rest the > world. As for existing US broadband.We are paying way too much for way > too little compared to the rest of the world. > US monopolies are have bloated the price of broadband and slowed > investment. Lack of Federal and State policy/programs/tax > breaks/incentives are mostly to blame. > As we learned during the electrification of the rural US free > enterprise is not the best system for bringing real low cost broadband > to everyone. If your municipality really wants to be on the broadband > grid and your expecting help from private telcos... your screwed. > Municipal broadband or the threat of municipal broadband has been > shown to encourage private sector investment. > Most places including NYC should be shopping around for a municipal > broadband solution if they expect their businesses to compete on a > global level. > The US communication infrastructure is stagnating and the fixes will > come from a combination public policy *AND* private enterprise. > > *Let There Be Wi-Fi* > Broadband is the electricity of the 21st century-and much of America > is being left in the dark. > http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0601.podesta.html > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: > http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release > Date: 1/5/2006 > > -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
Biggest debtor yes but not debt by proportion to GDP. Our debt is small when compared to our GDP. War debts let us have comparative safety on the streets to trade and partially keep up the value of the USD. -=vic --- - Original Message - From: "Cienfuegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband Lets try to keep our conversations down to earth please. Those who are terrified about govt. subsidized broadband, rather than repeating the erroneous and semi-religious mantra of the wonders of a capitalist economy a little education on the subject would go a long way. The biggest debtor nation in the world is the USA, and where is the outcry for the 40% of the gnp that goes to fund the pentagon and other war related depts? Lets keep it on the tech tip shall we, that is why signed on for this mailing list. Aias -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
