[nycwireless] REMOVE ME PLEASE!!!
How many requests do I have to make to remove me from this e-mail list? Please tell me: - Original Message - From: Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] NYCwireless mailing list etiquette -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 09:16:30PM -0500, Dustin Goodwin wrote: There have been several heated exchanges on the list recently. As far as I am concerned, the rules of polite debate have been wildly violated. I am working on a list etiquette document that I will send out shortly. I hope we can raise the level of civil dialogue on the list. - Dustin - Hi Dustin, you are entitled to revise the rules as you see fit but the frequency of these 'wild violations' is something that does not represent a pattern of the vast majority of posters. And the recent heated exchanges have been very informative and I suspect will die down of their own accord. So, at least from my point of view, no rule change is in order. Cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEHpZtv8UcC1qRZVMRAqVjAJ4gtPI3A1J/eHK2TJmXuU+AuR+AdQCaAwFO 2hRpJDW7Cti8e0hM/OtZzMI= =bFL4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments]
I seem to remember having asked to be taken off this list. Is nycwireless that inept? I wonder. - Original Message - From: Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] New Yorker Article [was:Multichannel News -AnalystsQuestionBellInvestments] On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:50 -0800, Jim Henry wrote: Ruben, I do not work for Time Warner. Yeah - right. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
I am tired of this conservative bashing. I am leaving this list!! g b all - Original Message - From: Dana Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband Jim, This is my last response to you, because you seem to be doing what many right-wing politicians are quite good at: changing the subject. This shouldn't be a discussion about whether the municipal networks are going to work or not. I dare-say that common sense tells us that some number will be successful, and some number will not. How you evaluate their outcomes relies almost entirely on your point of view. The real, fundamental problem is that America has slow, expensive, and only partially available broadband when compared to just about every other industrialized nation. This is especially embarrassing considering that we invented the damn technology, and nurtured it for its first two decades. This is a _fact_. No amount of hewing and hawing, or dancing around the subject will change this. Another fact: our sorry state of broadband has occurred over the past 5 years. A period of time when Conservative Republicans have been running this country and calling (almost) all of the shots. So, there arise really two questions (which you seem to be entirely unable to answer and which is why, I suspect, you'd rather change the subject): 1) Why is the state of broadband in America so awful? and 2) What are you going to do about it? This is less a question for you directly, but rather a question for those in charge of this Country. And the answer _isn't_ more competition in the future and a more open marketplace with fewer regulations. THAT is an end result of good policy-making. I want to know what we're doing that's failing, and what we should be doing instead. If we put in place good policy, more competition in a healthy marketplace will happen by itself. And I'm not pro-muniwireless or anti-muniwireless, or left-wing or right-wing, or even Republican or Democrat. I'm an independent. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info On Jan 12, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Jim Henry wrote: Dana, I've read the article you reference, and, like the one I provided a link to, it is interesting. They make some good points. However, like the PFF paper, it's an advocacy document. I found no mention of municipalities failing, or at least not doing as well, as commercial enterprises in delivering critical services. There are certainly examples, such as Philadelphia's PGW or NYC's water utility (nowhere near as bad as PGW I'm sure, but failing to meter water is still pretty bad). No mention of a possible negative outcome from a municipal offering. I am not too familiar with freepress.net but from checking their web site, even though they claim to be non-partisan the stories they offer seem to be coming from a leftist point of view. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Spiegel Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband Jim, Perhaps you should do a bit more research. The PFF is well known to rely on half-truths and misrepresentations of fact to support their anti-municipal agenda. Free Press has released a white paper that provides the whole story, and if you look at government broadband initiatives, they are overwhelmingly cost saving and beneficial to local communities. http://www.freepress.net/docs/mb_white_paper.pdf Also, PFF's supporters include (and are primarily) every incumbent telecom and cable company: http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html While this isn't a problem in and of itself, it should make you wonder where their views and motivations are coming from. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Jim Henry wrote: Here's an interesting study on government going into the telecom business. http://www.pff.org/issues-pubs/pops/pop11.3govtownership.pdf Jim -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/ nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 --
Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
Why not this is as good as spam! - Original Message - From: Michael Stearne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dana Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband On 1/13/06, vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am tired of this conservative bashing. I am leaving this list!! g b all Don't cut and run. - Original Message - From: Dana Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband Jim, This is my last response to you, because you seem to be doing what many right-wing politicians are quite good at: changing the subject. This shouldn't be a discussion about whether the municipal networks are going to work or not. I dare-say that common sense tells us that some number will be successful, and some number will not. How you evaluate their outcomes relies almost entirely on your point of view. The real, fundamental problem is that America has slow, expensive, and only partially available broadband when compared to just about every other industrialized nation. This is especially embarrassing considering that we invented the damn technology, and nurtured it for its first two decades. This is a _fact_. No amount of hewing and hawing, or dancing around the subject will change this. Another fact: our sorry state of broadband has occurred over the past 5 years. A period of time when Conservative Republicans have been running this country and calling (almost) all of the shots. So, there arise really two questions (which you seem to be entirely unable to answer and which is why, I suspect, you'd rather change the subject): 1) Why is the state of broadband in America so awful? and 2) What are you going to do about it? This is less a question for you directly, but rather a question for those in charge of this Country. And the answer _isn't_ more competition in the future and a more open marketplace with fewer regulations. THAT is an end result of good policy-making. I want to know what we're doing that's failing, and what we should be doing instead. If we put in place good policy, more competition in a healthy marketplace will happen by itself. And I'm not pro-muniwireless or anti-muniwireless, or left-wing or right-wing, or even Republican or Democrat. I'm an independent. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info On Jan 12, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Jim Henry wrote: Dana, I've read the article you reference, and, like the one I provided a link to, it is interesting. They make some good points. However, like the PFF paper, it's an advocacy document. I found no mention of municipalities failing, or at least not doing as well, as commercial enterprises in delivering critical services. There are certainly examples, such as Philadelphia's PGW or NYC's water utility (nowhere near as bad as PGW I'm sure, but failing to meter water is still pretty bad). No mention of a possible negative outcome from a municipal offering. I am not too familiar with freepress.net but from checking their web site, even though they claim to be non-partisan the stories they offer seem to be coming from a leftist point of view. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Spiegel Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband Jim, Perhaps you should do a bit more research. The PFF is well known to rely on half-truths and misrepresentations of fact to support their anti-municipal agenda. Free Press has released a white paper that provides the whole story, and if you look at government broadband initiatives, they are overwhelmingly cost saving and beneficial to local communities. http://www.freepress.net/docs/mb_white_paper.pdf Also, PFF's supporters include (and are primarily) every incumbent telecom and cable company: http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html While this isn't a problem in and of itself, it should make you wonder where their views and motivations are coming from. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Jim Henry wrote: Here's an interesting study on government going into the telecom business. http://www.pff.org/issues-pubs/pops/pop11.3govtownership.pdf Jim -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman
Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read!
We will never invade china. We will do it through free markets and trade. -=vic --- VICTOR SCELBA - Original Message - From: Michael Stearne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! On 1/8/06, Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy Bob, Let's see, GDP keeps on clicking at 3-4 % growth pretty much every year... The same was true in 2005. Inflation practically non-existent. Unemployment about as low as it's been ever in our history, Home ownership at an all time high. State of the country is such that those who the U.S classifies as in poverty often own televisions, phones, cars, and get food every day! Compare that to some other countries. We've removed one of the most evil dictators in history from power and in only 3 years that country, which has never known a democratic tradition, has easily made more progress than our own You've convinced me. Let get those commie bastards in China next! Freedom is on the march! When are we invading China for their human rights and U.N. violations? -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
Ya know I am getting real tired of playing teacher. Perhaps I should smoke pot and become a college professor. LOL! http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/25/sprj.irq.centrifuge/ U.S. officials emphasized this was not evidence Iraq had a nuclear weapon -- but it was evidence the Iraqis concealed plans to reconstitute their nuclear program as soon as the world was no longer looking. The parts and documents Obeidi gave the CIA were... Just one of many examples. Mike your tuition is overdue and you will not receive your grade, albeit low, until you have paid your tuition. LOL! -=vic - Original Message - From: Michael Stearne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Billy Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cienfuegos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband On 1/8/06, vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They said they had nuclear capabilities not nuke weapons. There is a What nuclear capabilities did they find? difference. Well lets say you go walking down the street and you see a gun... you pick it up you look in the chamber and it is empty. A gun with out bullets is still a weapon. All you have to do is put the bullets in. BTW No, let's say you invaded a country for an empty tractor trailer and 3,000 U.S. soldiers died because of it. An empty laboratory is a weapon? I don't think the people from Alabama appreciate your comment. You are safe because people have gone and died to keep you safe. Be a little more appreciative. I have a cousin permanently disabled from his service in Iraq and more than one friend currently in the desert. Don't question my patriotism. get with the program and stop trying to be cute. BTW it's ciao not cio Kool-Aid drinker. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
Hey I got hit with the Reply-All first and there was a bunch of crap on it. It was my duty to respond. I think you should go after this mike guy... If the stuff he sent me did not have your address on it then you never would have received my educational reply. Thanks but it is not necessary to send me an include or do not include e-mail. -=vic - Original Message - From: Eric Glover [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Michael Stearne' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'vic' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Cienfuegos' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband This thread is getting silly, and is not relevant to the purposes of the group - if possible, could the thread be limited to the interested parties - if you want to be on this, please send an e-mail to Michael, Jim and Vic, and then they will involve only you - and not the whole group. Thanks, Eric Jim Henry wrote: Michael, If you honestly believe the war with Iraq was for the reason you list, then you need to diversify your news sources and get informed. Additionally, Vic and I have been civil and tried to discuss this intelligently. I see no reason to resort to name calling, as now both us us have been called Kool-aid drinker. That's usually what happens when one side of an issue can no longer support its argument with facts. Respectfully, Jim -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:16 AM To: vic Cc: Cienfuegos; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: This thread is getting silly, and is not relevant to the purposes of the group - if possible, could the thread be limited to the interested parties - if you want to be on this, please send an e-mail to Michael or Jim, and then they will involve only you - and not the whole group. Thanks, [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband On 1/8/06, vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They said they had nuclear capabilities not nuke weapons. There is a What nuclear capabilities did they find? difference. Well lets say you go walking down the street and you see a gun... you pick it up you look in the chamber and it is empty. A gun with out bullets is still a weapon. All you have to do is put the bullets in. BTW No, let's say you invaded a country for an empty tractor trailer and 3,000 U.S. soldiers died because of it. An empty laboratory is a weapon? I don't think the people from Alabama appreciate your comment. You are safe because people have gone and died to keep you safe. Be a little more appreciative. I have a cousin permanently disabled from his service in Iraq and more than one friend currently in the desert. Don't question my patriotism. get with the program and stop trying to be cute. BTW it's ciao not cio Kool-Aid drinker. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
Biggest debtor yes but not debt by proportion to GDP. Our debt is small when compared to our GDP. War debts let us have comparative safety on the streets to trade and partially keep up the value of the USD. -=vic --- - Original Message - From: Cienfuegos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband Lets try to keep our conversations down to earth please. Those who are terrified about govt. subsidized broadband, rather than repeating the erroneous and semi-religious mantra of the wonders of a capitalist economy a little education on the subject would go a long way. The biggest debtor nation in the world is the USA, and where is the outcry for the 40% of the gnp that goes to fund the pentagon and other war related depts? Lets keep it on the tech tip shall we, that is why signed on for this mailing list. Aias -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read!
We have a trillion dollar economy and interest rates are at record lows. What are you talking about. I don't think you have ever taken a business class or watched news other then the MTV news. -=vic --- - Original Message - From: Billy Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dustin Goodwin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'nycwireless' nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! No... I'm not kidding. If you really believe that, then you live in LaLa land. Not only does our economy suck but so does our current state of our country as a whole. -Original Message- From: Jim Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:58 AM To: 'Billy Bob'; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! You're kidding, right? ;-) -Original Message- From: Billy Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! ...we have the strongest economy in the world... Where do you live?? Certainly not here. Bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Henry Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:20 PM To: 'Dustin Goodwin'; 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! OK, guess I should have read the article first:-). No thanks to govt. subsidized broadband. We already have too much of a socialist load on our economy. The fact that we have less socialism than most other countries is probably the main reason that we have the strongest economy in the world, the envy of other nations. Just my two cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Goodwin Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:40 AM To: nycwireless Subject: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! If you think you have a well developed theory on the why or why not of the municipal broadband debate you must read this article. Some of the conclusions: The US is desperately behind in broaband compared to the rest the world. As for existing US broadband.We are paying way too much for way too little compared to the rest of the world. US monopolies are have bloated the price of broadband and slowed investment. Lack of Federal and State policy/programs/tax breaks/incentives are mostly to blame. As we learned during the electrification of the rural US free enterprise is not the best system for bringing real low cost broadband to everyone. If your municipality really wants to be on the broadband grid and your expecting help from private telcos... your screwed. Municipal broadband or the threat of municipal broadband has been shown to encourage private sector investment. Most places including NYC should be shopping around for a municipal broadband solution if they expect their businesses to compete on a global level. The US communication infrastructure is stagnating and the fixes will come from a combination public policy *AND* private enterprise. *Let There Be Wi-Fi* Broadband is the electricity of the 21st century-and much of America is being left in the dark. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0601.podesta.html -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband
We already found WMD. We found a mobile weapons laboratory almost right away. There were no chems in it but is was there. We know he had WMD because WE the US GAVE WMD to Iraq to fight Iran. Please I thirst for intelligent convo.. Prior to invasion Iraq's military FIRED on our US planes almost 50 TIMES. Last time I checked when one nation's army fires on another nation's Air Force that in itself is an act of war. Get the facts man Cio baby, -=vic --- VICTOR SCELBA - Original Message - From: Billy Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'vic' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Cienfuegos' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:36 PM Subject: RE: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband I'll bet you're still looking for WMD's to justify war debts -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vic Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:32 PM To: Cienfuegos; nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband Biggest debtor yes but not debt by proportion to GDP. Our debt is small when compared to our GDP. War debts let us have comparative safety on the streets to trade and partially keep up the value of the USD. -=vic --- - Original Message - From: Cienfuegos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: [nycwireless] govt. subsidy and broadband Lets try to keep our conversations down to earth please. Those who are terrified about govt. subsidized broadband, rather than repeating the erroneous and semi-religious mantra of the wonders of a capitalist economy a little education on the subject would go a long way. The biggest debtor nation in the world is the USA, and where is the outcry for the 40% of the gnp that goes to fund the pentagon and other war related depts? Lets keep it on the tech tip shall we, that is why signed on for this mailing list. Aias -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
