[nysbirds-l] Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus...who currently is known as Jayshaipat !

2013-07-05 Thread robert adamo 
This morning I worked on the shrubs and plants around our condo and this
afternoon I relaxed at our communal pool. During this whole span of time I
continually checked the internet re: the Elegant Tern. After dinner, at ~
7:15 PM, I nonchalantly checked again, saw Jay McGowan's positive post, and
immediately found myself in a quandary...should I go for the bird at this
late hour ?

First, thank you Jay for the jolt ! Without taking time to dress properly,
I rolled, and by ~ 8:05 PM, had stopped to check out a group of shorebirds,
gulls, terns and skimmers that were feeding in the bay, close to the road,
near where the recent breeching occurred, just e/o Tiana Beach. My
attention was quickly directed to the only large tern in the mix,
and before it took flight, was able to see (binoculars only) it's long bill
(which drooped at the end) as well as it's big black head patch & crest. I
thought this could be the bird, but realized I hadn't seen it long enough
to be able to be sure...having never seen this species before. The tern
circled a few times, before heading west, with me in hot pursuit.

Making the bay side of Tiana Beach my first stop, I came upon Shai Mitra &
Pat Lindsay, who told me I had just missed the bird by minutes !  The
elegant had come from the east and continued on, possibly making Cupsogue
it's next destination. With this information, a bell went off, and in the
space of a few questions & answers, I was sure of what I had seen ! It
isn't every day when a dynamic duo, like Shai & Pat, can put your doubts to
rest - my sincere thanks !

The next time I chase a good bird and miss, the only word I'll have to say
to put the experience in proper perspective is...Jayshaipat !

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Arie Gilbert 

  
  
I asked for input to update  and improve the map - You interpreted
that as a license to be obnoxious. Bravo

You don't like google maps? So what? Others ~do~ even when they are
less than optimal. 

Furthermore to suggest that out of state, or any birders for that
matter, wait around hoping for someone to guide them is patronizing.


The folks with the clam forks figured it out. I'll bet persons
carrying optics will be capable as well. At least the map gives them
an overview of the area and a starting point.  That you believe
people are somehow hobbled by them and unable to make alternative
navigational choices is arrogant.

You alternatively, could have chosen to be helpful. 


Arie Gilbert
North Babylon, NY

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On 7/5/2013 3:13 PM, Shaibal Mitra
  wrote:


  
  
  
People,


Before someone gets hurt, please note that the routes
  marked on this map are entirely incorrect. The areas indicated
  as the flats are not in fact the flats that can be reached on
  foot; the crossing point is marked in the wrong place and goes
  in the wrong direction; the "trail through marsh" marked in
  blue is not a route I have ever seen a human traverse; etc.,
  etc.


I'm going to make one more point here, before I completely
  lose patience with this thread. Google maps are not the
  solution to this problem! If you are not comfortable birding
  this area without your every step being pre-plotted via gps,
  go to the parking lot and tag along with someone who knows
  what they are doing.


Again, Google maps are not the solution to this problem! I
  will re-quote what I posted the other day:



The flats around Moriches Inlet do not have a unique pair of coordinates. In fact, the good spots to check in this area don't even really have a finite set of coordinates. They change from minute to minute, day to day, and year to year, and they are densely interspersed with places you probably don't want to be. What you want are directions to Pikes Beach and Cupsogue County Park (these are at the west end of Dune Rd, just east of Moriches Inlet, Suffolk County, Long Island), and then some good judgment in exploration of the tidal marshes and flats to the north of these well marked localities. The Red-necked Stint has been seen in many places in the five acre area directly north of the main parking lot at Cupsogue. The portions of this area that exposed !
 at low t
ide but devoid of marsh vegetation are what people are referring to as "the flats."



Experience has shown that birds originally found in this area have often moved over to another patch of habitat a bit to the east, directly north of Pikes Beach (and vice versa); examples include a Red-necked Stint in July 2000 and a Curlew Sandpiper in June 2012, as well as innumerable less rare but individually distinctive shorebirds. Binary coordinates are not what you need--remember, there is an ecologically critical third dimension involved here, the vertical one, which allows for substrates to be variably immersed and exposed, according to tides and weather.
  






Shai Mitra
Bay Shore









  

From:
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[bounce-99253974-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of
Angus Wilson [oceanwander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: Arie Gilbert
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint
questions
  


  
Hi Arie, 
  
  I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted
  quite right and I am not savvy enough to modify them.
  The dredge island that some folk camp on and is used
  as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the
  shallows you've circled. The flats suitable for
  birding are SE of this other island. To put it another
  way, they just left (west) of the words "Incorporated
  Village...". The channel you have marked is far too
  deep to cross. One has to proceed further up the
  narrow spit of sand from where your brown and blue
  lines intersect and then cross very carefully on a NE
  vector from there. On the falling tide the channel can

[nysbirds-l] NYC Area RBA: 5 July 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Ben Cacace 
- RBA
* New York
* New York City, Long Island, Westchester County
* Jul. 5, 2013
* NYNY1307.05

- Birds mentioned

RED-NECKED STINT+
ARCTIC TERN+
ELEGANT TERN+
(+ Details requested by NYSARC)

Cory's Shearwater
Great Shearwater
Sooty Shearwater
MANX SHEARWATER
CATTLE EGRET
Upland Sandpiper
WHIMBREL
Least Tern
Gull-billed Tern
Black Tern
Roseate Tern
Common Tern
Forster's Tern
Royal Tern
Black Skimmer
Grasshopper Sparrow
BLUE GROSBEAK
Eastern Meadowlark

HYBRID:
Dunlin X White-rumped Sandpiper

- Transcript

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If electronic submission is not possible, hardcopy reports and photos or
sketches are welcome. Hardcopy documentation should be mailed to:

Gary Chapin - Secretary
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Hotline: New York City Area Rare Bird Alert
Number: (212) 979-3070

To report sightings call:
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Compiler: Tom Burke, Tony Lauro
Coverage: New York City, Long Island, Westchester County

Transcriber: Ben Cacace

BEGIN TAPE

Greetings. This is the New York Rare Bird Alert for Friday, July 5th 2013
at 7pm.

We deeply thank the National Audubon Society for their assistance and
expertise in restoring the NYC Area Rare Bird Alert phone connection. It's
still the same number at (212) 979-3070.

The highlights of today's tape are ELEGANT TERN, RED-NECKED STINT, ARCTIC
TERN, MANX and other shearwaters, WHIMBREL, CATTLE EGRET and BLUE GROSBEAK.

Last Sunday morning, June 30th, a RED-NECKED STINT in high breeding plumage
was spotted on the flats at Cupsogue County Park in Westhampton Dunes and
it has continued there through at least Thursday though there have been no
positive reports today. A virtual feather by feather analysis has
determined that this is apparently the same RED-NECKED STINT present on
Plum Island is Massachusetts on June 27th and 28th but not seen the 29th.
The bird is usually on the flats north of the Cupsogue parking lot along
with some Semipalmated Sandpipers and a nice variety of other migrant
shorebirds but can disappear at very low tide and was found roosting on the
adjacent Campers Island northwest of the flats last Sunday evening.

Also on these flats recently have been a few now mostly all first summer
ARCTIC TERNS with at least 3 there Thursday. Certainly an Internet photo of
an adult is actually a Common Tern. Then as 3 birders were leaving the
flats on the approaching high tide Wednesday evening they saw and
photographed what is believed to be an ELEGANT TERN which would constitute
a new record for New York State. A search Thursday at Cupsogue for this
tern came up empty however a report has come in on late Thursday evening of
what may have been the same ELEGANT TERN was seen on flats at Tiana Beach
off Dune Road well east of Cupsogue but west of the Ponquogue Bridge near
Neptune Lane.

Terns seen on the Cupsogue flats Thursday besides the young ARCTICS
included 4 ROYALS, 4 or more BLACKS in varying plumages and some ROSEATES
and FORSTER'S as well as LEAST, COMMON and BLACK SKIMMER and a GULL-BILLED
TERN was there last Sunday.

Another interesting shorebird besides the RED-NECKED STINT is one believed
to be a DUNLIN X WHITE-RUMPED SANDPIPER hybrid. A WHIMBREL was mentioned
Friday. The Cupsogue flats can be reached from a path on the north side of
the parking lot requiring a walk across some rather mucky areas to the
productive flats or from a trail that leaves the 4-wheel drive road west of
the parking lot and navigates north along the inlet beach to a channel that
can be crossed fairly readily with diligence. Going with people who know
the area helps.

Also at Cupsogue a seawatch Thursday evening while not truly dynamic did
produce 4 species of shearwaters with one MANX, one CORY'S, 6 GREAT and
oddly 4 late SOOTY SHEARWATERS.

At the former Grumman Airport site in Calverton where all of the vehicles
stored there since Sandy have finally been removed seen along the runways
today were an UPLAND SANDPIPER, 2 BLUE GROSBEAKS and nice counts of 37
GRASSHOPPER SPARROWS and 23 EASTERN MEADOWLARKS. This exceptional habitat
needs to be preserved.

Four WHIMBREL were reported from the sandbar off the Coast Guard Station at
Jones Beach West End on Tuesday and a CATTLE EGRET was spotted flying over
Marine Park in Brooklyn last Saturday.

To phone in reports on Long Island, call Tony Lauro at (631) 734-4126, or
weekdays call Tom Burke at (212) 372-1483.

This service is sponsored by the Linnaean Society of New York and the
National Audubon Society. Thank you for calling.

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[nysbirds-l] Elegant Tern pictures (July 3)

2013-07-05 Thread Andy Guthrie 
I've posted a number of pictures of the Elegant Tern from Wednesday on my
Flickr account:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44406668@N06/

Cheers,
Andy Guthrie
Hamlin, NY

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[nysbirds-l] Tiana Beach

2013-07-05 Thread steve rosenthal 
for the less punctual or less frugal not blessed to be Town of
Southampton residents

i believe "special permit"= $20 nonresident one day admission.

(in case the bird is  still there).





On 7/5/13, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> Shai Mitra and Patricia Lindsay called to report that the Elegant Tern was
> seen in the same area as reported late this afternoon by Jay McGowan.
>
> I would suggest that those of you trying for this bird tomorrow to get to
> Tiana Beach first thing in the morning as I believe there you need a
> special permit to get into the parking lot during peak beach hours.
>
> Good luck Y'all!
>
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
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> Andrew Baksh
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>
> On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Jay McGowan  wrote:
>
> The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
> skimmers on the beach visible close to the east from the Tiana Recreation
> Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
> nearby Royals.
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Elegant Tern, Dune Road

2013-07-05 Thread Andrew Baksh 
Shai Mitra and Patricia Lindsay called to report that the Elegant Tern was
seen in the same area as reported late this afternoon by Jay McGowan.

I would suggest that those of you trying for this bird tomorrow to get to
Tiana Beach first thing in the morning as I believe there you need a
special permit to get into the parking lot during peak beach hours.

Good luck Y'all!

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Jay McGowan  wrote:

The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
skimmers on the beach visible close to the east from the Tiana Recreation
Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
nearby Royals.

Jay
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[nysbirds-l] Elegant Tern, Dune Road

2013-07-05 Thread Jay McGowan 
The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
skimmers on the beach visible close to the east from the Tiana Recreation
Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
nearby Royals.

Jay

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Stint and Elegant - NO @ 4:47 p.m.

2013-07-05 Thread Andrew Baksh 
For people interested in an afternoon update. Eric Miller just called in to
report that the status remains the same as the earlier report on both the
Red-necked Stint and Elegant Tern.

Andrew Baksh
Queens, NY
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On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Corey Finger  wrote:

> The highlights on the Cupsogue flats today include three Black Terns, at
> least four Roseates, and three Arctics. A fly-by Whimbrel also happened
> (though I missed it).
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> Heading east a bit to scope other locations.
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> Good Birding,
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Shaibal Mitra 
People,

Before someone gets hurt, please note that the routes marked on this map are 
entirely incorrect. The areas indicated as the flats are not in fact the flats 
that can be reached on foot; the crossing point is marked in the wrong place 
and goes in the wrong direction; the "trail through marsh" marked in blue is 
not a route I have ever seen a human traverse; etc., etc.

I'm going to make one more point here, before I completely lose patience with 
this thread. Google maps are not the solution to this problem! If you are not 
comfortable birding this area without your every step being pre-plotted via 
gps, go to the parking lot and tag along with someone who knows what they are 
doing.

Again, Google maps are not the solution to this problem! I will re-quote what I 
posted the other day:


The flats around Moriches Inlet do not have a unique pair of coordinates. In 
fact, the good spots to check in this area don't even really have a finite set 
of coordinates. They change from minute to minute, day to day, and year to 
year, and they are densely interspersed with places you probably don't want to 
be. What you want are directions to Pikes Beach and Cupsogue County Park (these 
are at the west end of Dune Rd, just east of Moriches Inlet, Suffolk County, 
Long Island), and then some good judgment in exploration of the tidal marshes 
and flats to the north of these well marked localities. The Red-necked Stint 
has been seen in many places in the five acre area directly north of the main 
parking lot at Cupsogue. The portions of this area that exposed at low tide but 
devoid of marsh vegetation are what people are referring to as "the flats."



Experience has shown that birds originally found in this area have often moved 
over to another patch of habitat a bit to the east, directly north of Pikes 
Beach (and vice versa); examples include a Red-necked Stint in July 2000 and a 
Curlew Sandpiper in June 2012, as well as innumerable less rare but 
individually distinctive shorebirds. Binary coordinates are not what you 
need--remember, there is an ecologically critical third dimension involved 
here, the vertical one, which allows for substrates to be variably immersed and 
exposed, according to tides and weather.



Shai Mitra
Bay Shore





From: bounce-99253974-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-99253974-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Angus Wilson 
[oceanwander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: Arie Gilbert
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

Hi Arie,

I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted quite right and I am not 
savvy enough to modify them. The dredge island that some folk camp on and is 
used as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the shallows you've circled. 
The flats suitable for birding are SE of this other island. To put it another 
way, they just left (west) of the words "Incorporated Village...". The channel 
you have marked is far too deep to cross. One has to proceed further up the 
narrow spit of sand from where your brown and blue lines intersect and then 
cross very carefully on a NE vector from there. On the falling tide the channel 
can be waist deep or greater with some current so caution is advised. The 4WD 
road (red) and beach path (brown) are correct.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Jeffery Davis 
I just want to say that this is a wonderfully helpful map! Thanks Arie!

 

My first time birding the area was Sunday June 30th and thanks to the help of 
local birders, experienced in the area, I (along with many others) saw the 
Red-necked Stint in a location that, I believe, was to the east of that shaded 
gray area around here:

 

40.77732, -72.73604
 
I was viewing the bird from shore here:

 


40.77474, -72.73659
 
At the tide levels we traveled to and from, getting to this above location 
required a minimal of wading in the water to get to when accessed from the 
permit only parking area (but not zero wading!) and was about 900 ft from the 
bird (Digiscoped photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffamy/ ).

To get the very nice looks that people were enjoying on that day required some 
real wading, chest high on some folks. I just thought I would throw that out so 
people weren't surprised and could be well prepared for the various 
possibilites. HTH.


regards,
jeff

Downingtown, PA 

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Jeff Davis
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:02:54 -0400
From: ariegilb...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions
To: eyefligh...@optonline.net
CC: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu

James,

take a look at this birding map / info   http://goo.gl/maps/U2WQp

note that on weekends the lot will fill up early and you may be precluded from 
entry due to lack of parking spots.

best bet is to get there before 8am - check tides too - mostly for access to 
the flats, rather than when the birds are there

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY 

 www.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 www.qcbirdclub.org



On 7/5/2013 11:55 AM, eyefligh...@optonline.net wrote:

I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but I am still confused as to 
the area dubbed as "the flats" where the bird has been seen at Cupsogue. I have 
never been here and any more specific directions within the park would be 
greatly appreciated.  


Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely to be seen at? 
Thank you for any information.


James Purcell
Fairfield, CT
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Arie Gilbert 

Angus, [ et al ]

I agree that the markings are not accurate, and this is in part due to 
the age of the google satellite photo, and my imperfect recollection of 
the terrrain translated to the map as such.  BTW the map can be viewed 
in either 'map' or satellite' view.


I did not take any GPS readings when there so I was giving an 
approximation / best guess as noted in the legend.


if you or anyone else has any GPS or other data, info, etc  they would 
like to contribute I will happily update the map accordingly.




Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY

 www.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 www.qcbirdclub.org



On 7/5/2013 2:28 PM, Angus Wilson wrote:

Hi Arie,

I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted quite right and 
I am not savvy enough to modify them. The dredge island that some folk 
camp on and is used as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the 
shallows you've circled. The flats suitable for birding are SE of this 
other island. To put it another way, they just left (west) of the 
words "Incorporated Village...". The channel you have marked is far 
too deep to cross. One has to proceed further up the narrow spit of 
sand from where your brown and blue lines intersect and then cross 
very carefully on a NE vector from there. On the falling tide the 
channel can be waist deep or greater with some current so caution is 
advised. The 4WD road (red) and beach path (brown) are correct.


Cheers, Angus Wilson



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RE: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Steve Walter 
It should be noted that walking out to and from the flats is safest at the
lower parts of the tide cycle, especially if taking the short route and
especially for those unfamiliar with the area. If checking tide charts, use
Moriches Coast Guard Station. Low tide Saturday is at 2:04 and Sunday 2:48.
There is lots of room out on the flats for at least a couple of hours before
and after low tide, which also means the stint has a larger area available.
I believe it was unaccounted for at dead low yesterday, but seen a few hours
before and again about halfway up on the incoming tide. Look for a small
dead pine tree (or something of the sort) lying out of place on the flats.
The area in front of it seems to be a preferred spot.

 

Also worth a mention that an early arrival gets you in before they collect a
$15 fee. Seawatching is something that can be done to fill time early in the
morning. A number of shearwaters (of 4 species) were seen late yesterday. 

 

Steve Walter

Bayside, NY

 

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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

 

James,

take a look at this birding map / info   http://goo.gl/maps/U2WQp

note that on weekends the lot will fill up early and you may be precluded
from entry due to lack of parking spots.

best bet is to get there before 8am - check tides too - mostly for access to
the flats, rather than when the birds are there

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY 

 www.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 www.qcbirdclub.org



On 7/5/2013 11:55 AM, eyefligh...@optonline.net wrote:

I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but I am still confused as
to the area dubbed as "the flats" where the bird has been seen at Cupsogue.
I have never been here and any more specific directions within the park
would be greatly appreciated.  

 

Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely to be seen at?
Thank you for any information.

 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Angus Wilson 
Hi Arie,

I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted quite right and I am
not savvy enough to modify them. The dredge island that some folk camp on
and is used as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the shallows
you've circled. The flats suitable for birding are SE of this other island.
To put it another way, they just left (west) of the words "Incorporated
Village...". The channel you have marked is far too deep to cross. One has
to proceed further up the narrow spit of sand from where your brown and
blue lines intersect and then cross very carefully on a NE vector from
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some current so caution is advised. The 4WD road (red) and beach path
(brown) are correct.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Arie Gilbert 

  
  
James,

take a look at this birding map / info   http://goo.gl/maps/U2WQp

note that on weekends the lot will fill up early and you may be
precluded from entry due to lack of parking spots.

best bet is to get there before 8am - check tides too - mostly for
access to the flats, rather than when the birds are there

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY 

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 www.qcbirdclub.org


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I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but
  I am still confused as to the area dubbed as "the flats" where the
  bird has been seen at Cupsogue. I have never been here and any
  more specific directions within the park would be greatly
  appreciated. 
  
  
  Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely
to be seen at? Thank you for any information.
  
  
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[nysbirds-l] Stint and Elegant - NO!

2013-07-05 Thread Corey Finger 
The highlights on the Cupsogue flats today include three Black Terns, at least 
four Roseates, and three Arctics. A fly-by Whimbrel also happened (though I 
missed it).

Heading east a bit to scope other locations.

Good Birding,
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[nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread eyeflight16 
I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but I am still confused as to 
the area dubbed as "the flats" where the bird has been seen at Cupsogue. I have 
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greatly appreciated. 

Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely to be seen at? 
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[nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread eyeflight16 
I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but I am still confused as to 
the area dubbed as the flats where the bird has been seen at Cupsogue. I have 
never been here and any more specific directions within the park would be 
greatly appreciated. 

Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely to be seen at? 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Arie Gilbert 

  
  
James,

take a look at this birding map / info  http://goo.gl/maps/U2WQp

note that on weekends the lot will fill up early and you may be
precluded from entry due to lack of parking spots.

best bet is to get there before 8am - check tides too - mostly for
access to the flats, rather than when the birds are there

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY 

www.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
www.qcbirdclub.org


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I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but
  I am still confused as to the area dubbed as "the flats" where the
  bird has been seen at Cupsogue. I have never been here and any
  more specific directions within the park would be greatly
  appreciated.
  
  
  Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely
to be seen at? Thank you for any information.
  
  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Angus Wilson 
Hi Arie,

I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted quite right and I am
not savvy enough to modify them. The dredge island that some folk camp on
and is used as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the shallows
you've circled. The flats suitable for birding are SE of this other island.
To put it another way, they just left (west) of the words Incorporated
Village The channel you have marked is far too deep to cross. One has
to proceed further up the narrow spit of sand from where your brown and
blue lines intersect and then cross very carefully on a NE vector from
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(brown) are correct.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Steve Walter 
It should be noted that walking out to and from the flats is safest at the
lower parts of the tide cycle, especially if taking the short route and
especially for those unfamiliar with the area. If checking tide charts, use
Moriches Coast Guard Station. Low tide Saturday is at 2:04 and Sunday 2:48.
There is lots of room out on the flats for at least a couple of hours before
and after low tide, which also means the stint has a larger area available.
I believe it was unaccounted for at dead low yesterday, but seen a few hours
before and again about halfway up on the incoming tide. Look for a small
dead pine tree (or something of the sort) lying out of place on the flats.
The area in front of it seems to be a preferred spot.

 

Also worth a mention that an early arrival gets you in before they collect a
$15 fee. Seawatching is something that can be done to fill time early in the
morning. A number of shearwaters (of 4 species) were seen late yesterday. 

 

Steve Walter

Bayside, NY

 

From: bounce-99253914-8873...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-99253914-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Arie Gilbert
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:03 PM
To: eyefligh...@optonline.net
Cc: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

 

James,

take a look at this birding map / info   http://goo.gl/maps/U2WQp

note that on weekends the lot will fill up early and you may be precluded
from entry due to lack of parking spots.

best bet is to get there before 8am - check tides too - mostly for access to
the flats, rather than when the birds are there

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY 

 www.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 www.qcbirdclub.org



On 7/5/2013 11:55 AM, eyefligh...@optonline.net wrote:

I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but I am still confused as
to the area dubbed as the flats where the bird has been seen at Cupsogue.
I have never been here and any more specific directions within the park
would be greatly appreciated.  

 

Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely to be seen at?
Thank you for any information.

 

James Purcell

Fairfield, CT

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Arie Gilbert 

Angus, [ et al ]

I agree that the markings are not accurate, and this is in part due to 
the age of the google satellite photo, and my imperfect recollection of 
the terrrain translated to the map as such.  BTW the map can be viewed 
in either 'map' or satellite' view.


I did not take any GPS readings when there so I was giving an 
approximation / best guess as noted in the legend.


if you or anyone else has any GPS or other data, info, etc  they would 
like to contribute I will happily update the map accordingly.




Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY

 www.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 www.qcbirdclub.org



On 7/5/2013 2:28 PM, Angus Wilson wrote:

Hi Arie,

I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted quite right and 
I am not savvy enough to modify them. The dredge island that some folk 
camp on and is used as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the 
shallows you've circled. The flats suitable for birding are SE of this 
other island. To put it another way, they just left (west) of the 
words Incorporated Village The channel you have marked is far 
too deep to cross. One has to proceed further up the narrow spit of 
sand from where your brown and blue lines intersect and then cross 
very carefully on a NE vector from there. On the falling tide the 
channel can be waist deep or greater with some current so caution is 
advised. The 4WD road (red) and beach path (brown) are correct.


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Jeffery Davis 
I just want to say that this is a wonderfully helpful map! Thanks Arie!

 

My first time birding the area was Sunday June 30th and thanks to the help of 
local birders, experienced in the area, I (along with many others) saw the 
Red-necked Stint in a location that, I believe, was to the east of that shaded 
gray area around here:

 

40.77732, -72.73604
 
I was viewing the bird from shore here:

 


40.77474, -72.73659
 
At the tide levels we traveled to and from, getting to this above location 
required a minimal of wading in the water to get to when accessed from the 
permit only parking area (but not zero wading!) and was about 900 ft from the 
bird (Digiscoped photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffamy/ ).

To get the very nice looks that people were enjoying on that day required some 
real wading, chest high on some folks. I just thought I would throw that out so 
people weren't surprised and could be well prepared for the various 
possibilites. HTH.


regards,
jeff

Downingtown, PA 

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffamy/ 



Jeff Davis
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:02:54 -0400
From: ariegilb...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions
To: eyefligh...@optonline.net
CC: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu

James,

take a look at this birding map / info   http://goo.gl/maps/U2WQp

note that on weekends the lot will fill up early and you may be precluded from 
entry due to lack of parking spots.

best bet is to get there before 8am - check tides too - mostly for access to 
the flats, rather than when the birds are there

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY 

 www.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
 www.qcbirdclub.org



On 7/5/2013 11:55 AM, eyefligh...@optonline.net wrote:

I hope to go after the Red-necked Stint tomorrow, but I am still confused as to 
the area dubbed as the flats where the bird has been seen at Cupsogue. I have 
never been here and any more specific directions within the park would be 
greatly appreciated.  


Also, is there a certain tide that this bird is more likely to be seen at? 
Thank you for any information.


James Purcell
Fairfield, CT
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Shaibal Mitra 
People,

Before someone gets hurt, please note that the routes marked on this map are 
entirely incorrect. The areas indicated as the flats are not in fact the flats 
that can be reached on foot; the crossing point is marked in the wrong place 
and goes in the wrong direction; the trail through marsh marked in blue is 
not a route I have ever seen a human traverse; etc., etc.

I'm going to make one more point here, before I completely lose patience with 
this thread. Google maps are not the solution to this problem! If you are not 
comfortable birding this area without your every step being pre-plotted via 
gps, go to the parking lot and tag along with someone who knows what they are 
doing.

Again, Google maps are not the solution to this problem! I will re-quote what I 
posted the other day:


The flats around Moriches Inlet do not have a unique pair of coordinates. In 
fact, the good spots to check in this area don't even really have a finite set 
of coordinates. They change from minute to minute, day to day, and year to 
year, and they are densely interspersed with places you probably don't want to 
be. What you want are directions to Pikes Beach and Cupsogue County Park (these 
are at the west end of Dune Rd, just east of Moriches Inlet, Suffolk County, 
Long Island), and then some good judgment in exploration of the tidal marshes 
and flats to the north of these well marked localities. The Red-necked Stint 
has been seen in many places in the five acre area directly north of the main 
parking lot at Cupsogue. The portions of this area that exposed at low tide but 
devoid of marsh vegetation are what people are referring to as the flats.



Experience has shown that birds originally found in this area have often moved 
over to another patch of habitat a bit to the east, directly north of Pikes 
Beach (and vice versa); examples include a Red-necked Stint in July 2000 and a 
Curlew Sandpiper in June 2012, as well as innumerable less rare but 
individually distinctive shorebirds. Binary coordinates are not what you 
need--remember, there is an ecologically critical third dimension involved 
here, the vertical one, which allows for substrates to be variably immersed and 
exposed, according to tides and weather.



Shai Mitra
Bay Shore





From: bounce-99253974-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-99253974-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Angus Wilson 
[oceanwander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: Arie Gilbert
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

Hi Arie,

I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted quite right and I am not 
savvy enough to modify them. The dredge island that some folk camp on and is 
used as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the shallows you've circled. 
The flats suitable for birding are SE of this other island. To put it another 
way, they just left (west) of the words Incorporated Village The channel 
you have marked is far too deep to cross. One has to proceed further up the 
narrow spit of sand from where your brown and blue lines intersect and then 
cross very carefully on a NE vector from there. On the falling tide the channel 
can be waist deep or greater with some current so caution is advised. The 4WD 
road (red) and beach path (brown) are correct.

Cheers, Angus Wilson
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[nysbirds-l] Elegant Tern, Dune Road

2013-07-05 Thread Jay McGowan 
The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
skimmers on the beach visible close to the east from the Tiana Recreation
Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
nearby Royals.

Jay

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Elegant Tern, Dune Road

2013-07-05 Thread Andrew Baksh 
Shai Mitra and Patricia Lindsay called to report that the Elegant Tern was
seen in the same area as reported late this afternoon by Jay McGowan.

I would suggest that those of you trying for this bird tomorrow to get to
Tiana Beach first thing in the morning as I believe there you need a
special permit to get into the parking lot during peak beach hours.

Good luck Y'all!

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Jay McGowan jw...@cornell.edu wrote:

The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
skimmers on the beach visible close to the east from the Tiana Recreation
Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
nearby Royals.

Jay
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[nysbirds-l] Tiana Beach

2013-07-05 Thread steve rosenthal 
for the less punctual or less frugal not blessed to be Town of
Southampton residents

i believe special permit= $20 nonresident one day admission.

(in case the bird is  still there).





On 7/5/13, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Shai Mitra and Patricia Lindsay called to report that the Elegant Tern was
 seen in the same area as reported late this afternoon by Jay McGowan.

 I would suggest that those of you trying for this bird tomorrow to get to
 Tiana Beach first thing in the morning as I believe there you need a
 special permit to get into the parking lot during peak beach hours.

 Good luck Y'all!

 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

 Andrew Baksh
 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

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 The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
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 Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
 nearby Royals.

 Jay
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[nysbirds-l] Elegant Tern pictures (July 3)

2013-07-05 Thread Andy Guthrie 
I've posted a number of pictures of the Elegant Tern from Wednesday on my
Flickr account:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44406668@N06/

Cheers,
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Hamlin, NY

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[nysbirds-l] NYC Area RBA: 5 July 2013

2013-07-05 Thread Ben Cacace 
- RBA
* New York
* New York City, Long Island, Westchester County
* Jul. 5, 2013
* NYNY1307.05

- Birds mentioned

RED-NECKED STINT+
ARCTIC TERN+
ELEGANT TERN+
(+ Details requested by NYSARC)

Cory's Shearwater
Great Shearwater
Sooty Shearwater
MANX SHEARWATER
CATTLE EGRET
Upland Sandpiper
WHIMBREL
Least Tern
Gull-billed Tern
Black Tern
Roseate Tern
Common Tern
Forster's Tern
Royal Tern
Black Skimmer
Grasshopper Sparrow
BLUE GROSBEAK
Eastern Meadowlark

HYBRID:
Dunlin X White-rumped Sandpiper

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If electronic submission is not possible, hardcopy reports and photos or
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486 High Street
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Hotline: New York City Area Rare Bird Alert
Number: (212) 979-3070

To report sightings call:
Tom Burke (212) 372-1483 (weekdays, during the day)
Tony Lauro at (631) 734-4126 (Long Island)

Compiler: Tom Burke, Tony Lauro
Coverage: New York City, Long Island, Westchester County

Transcriber: Ben Cacace

BEGIN TAPE

Greetings. This is the New York Rare Bird Alert for Friday, July 5th 2013
at 7pm.

We deeply thank the National Audubon Society for their assistance and
expertise in restoring the NYC Area Rare Bird Alert phone connection. It's
still the same number at (212) 979-3070.

The highlights of today's tape are ELEGANT TERN, RED-NECKED STINT, ARCTIC
TERN, MANX and other shearwaters, WHIMBREL, CATTLE EGRET and BLUE GROSBEAK.

Last Sunday morning, June 30th, a RED-NECKED STINT in high breeding plumage
was spotted on the flats at Cupsogue County Park in Westhampton Dunes and
it has continued there through at least Thursday though there have been no
positive reports today. A virtual feather by feather analysis has
determined that this is apparently the same RED-NECKED STINT present on
Plum Island is Massachusetts on June 27th and 28th but not seen the 29th.
The bird is usually on the flats north of the Cupsogue parking lot along
with some Semipalmated Sandpipers and a nice variety of other migrant
shorebirds but can disappear at very low tide and was found roosting on the
adjacent Campers Island northwest of the flats last Sunday evening.

Also on these flats recently have been a few now mostly all first summer
ARCTIC TERNS with at least 3 there Thursday. Certainly an Internet photo of
an adult is actually a Common Tern. Then as 3 birders were leaving the
flats on the approaching high tide Wednesday evening they saw and
photographed what is believed to be an ELEGANT TERN which would constitute
a new record for New York State. A search Thursday at Cupsogue for this
tern came up empty however a report has come in on late Thursday evening of
what may have been the same ELEGANT TERN was seen on flats at Tiana Beach
off Dune Road well east of Cupsogue but west of the Ponquogue Bridge near
Neptune Lane.

Terns seen on the Cupsogue flats Thursday besides the young ARCTICS
included 4 ROYALS, 4 or more BLACKS in varying plumages and some ROSEATES
and FORSTER'S as well as LEAST, COMMON and BLACK SKIMMER and a GULL-BILLED
TERN was there last Sunday.

Another interesting shorebird besides the RED-NECKED STINT is one believed
to be a DUNLIN X WHITE-RUMPED SANDPIPER hybrid. A WHIMBREL was mentioned
Friday. The Cupsogue flats can be reached from a path on the north side of
the parking lot requiring a walk across some rather mucky areas to the
productive flats or from a trail that leaves the 4-wheel drive road west of
the parking lot and navigates north along the inlet beach to a channel that
can be crossed fairly readily with diligence. Going with people who know
the area helps.

Also at Cupsogue a seawatch Thursday evening while not truly dynamic did
produce 4 species of shearwaters with one MANX, one CORY'S, 6 GREAT and
oddly 4 late SOOTY SHEARWATERS.

At the former Grumman Airport site in Calverton where all of the vehicles
stored there since Sandy have finally been removed seen along the runways
today were an UPLAND SANDPIPER, 2 BLUE GROSBEAKS and nice counts of 37
GRASSHOPPER SPARROWS and 23 EASTERN MEADOWLARKS. This exceptional habitat
needs to be preserved.

Four WHIMBREL were reported from the sandbar off the Coast Guard Station at
Jones Beach West End on Tuesday and a CATTLE EGRET was spotted flying over
Marine Park in Brooklyn last Saturday.

To phone in reports on Long Island, call Tony Lauro at (631) 734-4126, or
weekdays call Tom Burke at (212) 372-1483.

This service is sponsored by the Linnaean Society of New York and the
National Audubon Society. Thank you for calling.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint questions

2013-07-05 Thread Arie Gilbert 

  
  
I asked for input to update and improve the map - You interpreted
that as a license to be obnoxious. Bravo

You don't like google maps? So what? Others ~do~ even when they are
less than optimal. 

Furthermore to suggest that out of state, or any birders for that
matter, wait around hoping for someone to guide them is patronizing.


The folks with the clam forks figured it out. I'll bet persons
carrying optics will be capable as well. At least the map gives them
an overview of the area and a starting point. That you believe
people are somehow hobbled by them and unable to make alternative
navigational choices is arrogant.

You alternatively, could have chosen to be helpful. 


Arie Gilbert
North Babylon, NY

WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
WWW.qcbirdclub.org

On 7/5/2013 3:13 PM, Shaibal Mitra
  wrote:


  
  
  
People,


Before someone gets hurt, please note that the routes
  marked on this map are entirely incorrect. The areas indicated
  as the flats are not in fact the flats that can be reached on
  foot; the crossing point is marked in the wrong place and goes
  in the wrong direction; the "trail through marsh" marked in
  blue is not a route I have ever seen a human traverse; etc.,
  etc.


I'm going to make one more point here, before I completely
  lose patience with this thread.Google maps are not the
  solution to this problem! If you are not comfortable birding
  this area without your every step being pre-plotted via gps,
  go to the parking lot and tag along with someone who knows
  what they are doing.


Again,Google maps are not the solution to this problem! I
  will re-quote what I posted the other day:



The flats around Moriches Inlet do not have a unique pair of coordinates. In fact, the good spots to check in this area don't even really have a finite set of coordinates. They change from minute to minute, day to day, and year to year, and they are densely interspersed with places you probably don't want to be. What you want are directions to Pikes Beach and Cupsogue County Park (these are at the west end of Dune Rd, just east of Moriches Inlet, Suffolk County, Long Island), and then some good judgment in exploration of the tidal marshes and flats to the north of these well marked localities. The Red-necked Stint has been seen in many places in the five acre area directly north of the main parking lot at Cupsogue. The portions of this area that exposed !
 at low t
ide but devoid of marsh vegetation are what people are referring to as "the flats."



Experience has shown that birds originally found in this area have often moved over to another patch of habitat a bit to the east, directly north of Pikes Beach (and vice versa); examples include a Red-necked Stint in July 2000 and a Curlew Sandpiper in June 2012, as well as innumerable less rare but individually distinctive shorebirds. Binary coordinates are not what you need--remember, there is an ecologically critical third dimension involved here, the vertical one, which allows for substrates to be variably immersed and exposed, according to tides and weather.
  






Shai Mitra
Bay Shore









  

From:
bounce-99253974-11143...@list.cornell.edu
[bounce-99253974-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of
Angus Wilson [oceanwander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: Arie Gilbert
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Red-necked Stint
questions
  


  
Hi Arie, 
  
  I don't think your Google map annotations are plotted
  quite right and I am not savvy enough to modify them.
  The dredge island that some folk camp on and is used
  as a landmark for birders is to the RIGHT of the
  shallows you've circled. The flats suitable for
  birding are SE of this other island. To put it another
  way, they just left (west) of the words "Incorporated
  Village...". The channel you have marked is far too
  deep to cross. One has to proceed further up the
  narrow spit of sand from where your brown and blue
  lines intersect and then cross very carefully on a NE
  vector from there. On the falling tide the channel can

[nysbirds-l] Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus...who currently is known as Jayshaipat !

2013-07-05 Thread robert adamo 
This morning I worked on the shrubs and plants around our condo and this
afternoon I relaxed at our communal pool. During this whole span of time I
continually checked the internet re: the Elegant Tern. After dinner, at ~
7:15 PM, I nonchalantly checked again, saw Jay McGowan's positive post, and
immediately found myself in a quandary...should I go for the bird at this
late hour ?

First, thank you Jay for the jolt ! Without taking time to dress properly,
I rolled, and by ~ 8:05 PM, had stopped to check out a group of shorebirds,
gulls, terns and skimmers that were feeding in the bay, close to the road,
near where the recent breeching occurred, just e/o Tiana Beach. My
attention was quickly directed to the only large tern in the mix,
and before it took flight, was able to see (binoculars only) it's long bill
(which drooped at the end) as well as it's big black head patch  crest. I
thought this could be the bird, but realized I hadn't seen it long enough
to be able to be sure...having never seen this species before. The tern
circled a few times, before heading west, with me in hot pursuit.

Making the bay side of Tiana Beach my first stop, I came upon Shai Mitra 
Pat Lindsay, who told me I had just missed the bird by minutes !  The
elegant had come from the east and continued on, possibly making Cupsogue
it's next destination. With this information, a bell went off, and in the
space of a few questions  answers, I was sure of what I had seen ! It
isn't every day when a dynamic duo, like Shai  Pat, can put your doubts to
rest - my sincere thanks !

The next time I chase a good bird and miss, the only word I'll have to say
to put the experience in proper perspective is...Jayshaipat !

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