[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread b3no
take or pay bos maksudnya lu gak pake gas gw, kena denda, artinya pgn  
bakal kena sanksi kalau  lewat dari batas waktu jatuh tempo dari 
pertamina kalau lewat pertengahan november pgn  kena $50.000 per 
harinya itu dah agreement mereka ber2,artinya kalo baru bisa pake awal 
2007 yah kaliin aja tiap harinya brp... 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> SSWJ molor... itu sih udah dari dulu.. dari bulan July udah ada 
pengumuman kalau SSWJ 1 molor ke 1Q2007.. Tapi biar molor duit tetap 
masuk.
> 
> Cuman pengaruh di bayar bunga selama 6 bulan <-- kecil
> 
> Take off pay 50.000/hari... dari mana tuh ?? Kayaknya ngak mungkin 
deh
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: b3no 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:16 PM
>   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> 
> 
>   Kalau saya malah ngeri tuh ama pgas, soalnya diliat kinerjanya 
yang 
>   agak2 ngeri alias byk proyek2 SSWJ PGN yng meleset dari schedule. 
>   kalo diliat pemerintah mau jual 3 bulan lagi yah wajar lah mereka 
>   kan gak mau sahamnya jatuh pas bulan november pdhl bulan 
pertengahan 
>   nov pgn bakalan lounch project mereka. Tapi mnrt sumber pertamina 
>   pemasok gas pgn sepertinya PGN gak bakal tepat waktu, alias kena 
>   take or pay yg seharinya $50.000. Prediksi mereka pgn baru bisa 
pake 
>   gas pertamina diawal 2007 dan ini sptnya pemerintah dah 
>   tau...Kayaknya utk PGas Hit and run aja ah...ngerriii target 
sih 
>   kalo njeblok idealnya bisa balik lagi ke 7000an... ini kata analis 
>   asing bener gak sih?
> 
>   any comment??
> 
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q"  
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Inilah Contrarian tulen ala BEJ.
>   > Artinya; 
>   > Kalau menurut Embah bahwa BEJ itu SEPI maka posisi Pemain Besar 
>   > SERINGKALI harus CONTRARIAN...
>   > Maksudnya;
>   > Mungkin kalau kita yg biasa beli 100-1000 lot tidak terlalu 
sulit 
>   > utk mencari saham tapi SANGAT BERBEDA dengan Big Player.
>   > 
>   > Jadi kalau mau beli harus ketika orang2 profit taking, bad news, 
>   > atau kalau perlu menakut2i orang. Supaya dapet semua barang yang 
>   > DIBUTUHKAN. 
>   > Demikian ketika Jualan harus ketika good news,atau bikin NEWS,.
..
>   > supaya semua DAGANGAN laris manis..
>   > 
>   > Makanya ntar kalau P. Frederick (Pemain Besar dkk)waktu beli/
jual 
>   > secara TA akan terjadi kondisi overbought/oversold...
>   > Sampai2 forecast para analis PERLU DITAMBAHI/DIKURANGI...
>   > Begitu maksudnya khan buat teman2 yg lain??
>   > 
>   > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
>   >  wrote:
>   > >
>   > > exactly pak oen
>   > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat their 
>   > forecasthehehehe
>   > > cheers
>   > > 
>   > > oentoeng_q  wrote:
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
>   > >  wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > down grade tu kadang2 harus dibaca: ML mau beli di 
>   > > bawah...hehehehehe
>   > > 
>   > > Ntar masuk pake DP karena dia yg punya target 20.000 lebih
>   > > hahahaha...
>   > > Sekarang lagi musim model beginian. 
>   > > Right Mr Frederick?
>   > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > up_trends  wrote: di dwn grade sama ML ke 
>   > > SELL
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "pemainbesar" 
>   > >  
>   > > > wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Dow Jones reported just now 11.35 indonesia time:
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Indonesian government expect to raise IDR3 trillion from 
>   > selling 
>   > > > 5.31% 
>   > > > > stake, or 185.8 million shares, in PT Perusahaan Gas 
Negara 
>   > > (PGAS.JK).
>   > > > > To raise IDR3 trillion, the govermment must sell the stake 
>   at 
>   > > > IDR16,000 
>   > > > > per share..
>   > > > > just sharing..investment is on your call.
>   > > > > cheers...
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS = Studi kasus

2006-08-23 Thread oentoeng_q
Waktu kuliah khan ada studi kasus….
Mumpung ada kesempatan saya ingin mengajak bicara Teknik Bandar di 
PGAS.
Siapapun boleh bicara Target PGAS mau ke 16.000, 20.000, 24.000……
Atau malah ada yg mau ngikutin jebloknya….11.000, 7.000,….
Yang jelas mari kita hitung MODAL BD yg saat ini baru beli..

Kalau biasanya saya NGINTIP dulu, sekarang saya ingin menggunakan 
komentar P. Frederick sebagai ASUMSI; 

"if you wanna gamble...you can buy at any level below 13,000"

Kemarin BOZZ menurunkan PGAS dari harga 13.600 hingga 12.600; 
setelah itu BUY BACK kembali dengan RANGE 12.600 – 13.000
Artinya range tersebut adalah posisi ACC BUY oleh BOZZ
Anggaplah COSTnya muncul 12.750 jadi dengan target GAIN 20%-30% ke 
depan utk SHORT/MEDIUM TERM adalah 15.300 – 16.575.

So… karena BELINYA 
"huge amount to beat their forecast "

maka perlu dicermati :
1. BOZZ  MINIMAL akan mendapat GAIN 10 – 15%
2. Harga 16.575 akan bisa TERKEREK lebih jauh KALAU barang masih 
belum HABIS. Yang pasti harga MINIMAL akan TERCAPAI.

Mungkin saat ini teman2 TA Trader bisa menggunakan "Teknik Menunggu 
di Tikungan" 
Kalau yang ini pasti menunggu indicator….
Utk tradisional; saat ini PGAS berada di area ground dari Upper 
Channel…..

Tetapi berdasar Analisa Perilaku; PGAS kalau turun cuman 1-3 hari..
Setelah itu nge-jozz LAGI…

Tetapi kalau "momentum trending" keluar dari pakem-nya maka;

"stake sale nya masih 3 bulan…."
Artinya rebound still waiting….. 

Please Correct Me If I Were Wrong…..
Hehehe…


> > 
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: b3no 
> >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:16 PM
> >   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> > 
> > 
> >   Kalau saya malah ngeri tuh ama pgas, soalnya diliat kinerjanya 
> yang 
> >   agak2 ngeri alias byk proyek2 SSWJ PGN yng meleset dari 
schedule. 
> >   kalo diliat pemerintah mau jual 3 bulan lagi yah wajar lah 
mereka 
> >   kan gak mau sahamnya jatuh pas bulan november pdhl bulan 
> pertengahan 
> >   nov pgn bakalan lounch project mereka. Tapi mnrt sumber 
pertamina 
> >   pemasok gas pgn sepertinya PGN gak bakal tepat waktu, alias 
kena 
> >   take or pay yg seharinya $50.000. Prediksi mereka pgn baru 
bisa 
> pake 
> >   gas pertamina diawal 2007 dan ini sptnya pemerintah dah 
> >   tau...Kayaknya utk PGas Hit and run aja ah...ngerriii 
target 
> sih 
> >   kalo njeblok idealnya bisa balik lagi ke 7000an... ini kata 
analis 
> >   asing bener gak sih?
> > 
> >   any comment??
> > 
> >   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" 
 
> >   wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Inilah Contrarian tulen ala BEJ.
> >   > Artinya; 
> >   > Kalau menurut Embah bahwa BEJ itu SEPI maka posisi Pemain 
Besar 
> >   > SERINGKALI harus CONTRARIAN...
> >   > Maksudnya;
> >   > Mungkin kalau kita yg biasa beli 100-1000 lot tidak terlalu 
> sulit 
> >   > utk mencari saham tapi SANGAT BERBEDA dengan Big Player.
> >   > 
> >   > Jadi kalau mau beli harus ketika orang2 profit taking, bad 
news, 
> >   > atau kalau perlu menakut2i orang. Supaya dapet semua barang 
yang 
> >   > DIBUTUHKAN. 
> >   > Demikian ketika Jualan harus ketika good news,atau bikin 
NEWS,.
> ..
> >   > supaya semua DAGANGAN laris manis..
> >   > 
> >   > Makanya ntar kalau P. Frederick (Pemain Besar dkk)waktu beli/
> jual 
> >   > secara TA akan terjadi kondisi overbought/oversold...
> >   > Sampai2 forecast para analis PERLU DITAMBAHI/DIKURANGI...
> >   > Begitu maksudnya khan buat teman2 yg lain??
> >   > 
> >   > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
> >   >  wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > exactly pak oen
> >   > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat 
their 
> >   > forecasthehehehe
> >   > > cheers
> >   > > 
> >   > > oentoeng_q  wrote:
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
> >   > >  wrote:
> >   > > >
> >   > > > down grade tu kadang2 harus dibaca: ML mau beli di 
> >   > > bawah...hehehehehe
> >   > > 
> >   > > Ntar masuk pake DP karena dia yg punya target 20.000 lebih
> >   > > hahahaha...
> >   > > Sekarang lagi musim model beginian. 
> >   > > Right Mr Frederick?
> >   > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > up_trends  wrote: di dwn grade sama ML ke 
> >   > > SELL
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "pemainbesar" 
> >   > >  
> >   > > > wrote:
> >   > > > >
> >   > > > > Dow Jones reported just now 11.35 indonesia time:
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > > Indonesian government expect to raise IDR3 trillion 
from 
> >   > selling 
> >   > > > 5.31% 
> >   > > > > stake, or 185.8 million shares, in PT Perusahaan Gas 
> Negara 
> >   > > (PGAS.JK).
> >   > > > > To raise IDR3 trillion, the govermment must sell the 
stake 
> >   at 
> >   > > > IDR16,000 
> >   > > > > per share..
> >   > > > > just sharing..investment is on your call.
> >   > > > > cheers...
> >   > > > >
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > ---

[obrolan-bandar] PGAS...

2006-08-23 Thread Aria Bela Nusa










Kalo dilihat berbagai informasi2 yg ada utk PGAS ini :

 

·
MSCI : Bobotnya turun sedikit - 5.6 % (dari 8.59 ke 8.11)

 

·
Dari riset2 terakhir FX Broker :

 

ML (22/08) : down-grading
hanya sekitar – 2 % (dari neutral ke sell)

DBS Vickers : TP 21,400

KZ (riset yg lama) : 24,000 à saya percaya yg ini…

 

·
Bottom-line : sangat
baik (di bawah) - dg pronogsis utk net income
akhir taon sekitar 2 T 

Growth : Tinggi
& selalu tetap konsisten – dilihat dr sales + net
income yg diperoleh/dicapai dr usaha perusahaan selama ini…

 


 
  
   
   
  
  
  3/31/2006
  
  
  12/31/2005
  
  
  9/30/2005
  
  
  6/30/2005
  
 
 
  
  Total Sales
  
  
  1,716,545,442,386
  
  
  5,433,739,707,122
  
  
  3,969,738,449,591
  
  
  2,534,624,134,475
  
 
 
  
  Cost of Good Sold
  
  
  727,246,293,775
  
  
  2,652,316,070,871
  
  
  1,993,264,255,585
  
  
  1,251,143,742,304
  
 
 
  
  Gross Profit
  
  
  989,299,148,611
  
  
  2,781,423,636,251
  
  
  1,976,474,194,006
  
  
  1,283,480,392,171
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
 
 
  
  SG&A Cost
  
  
  258,147,183,452
  
  
  1,229,142,952,199
  
  
  860,270,152,166
  
  
  562,581,253,814
  
 
 
  
  Operating Income
  
  
  731,151,965,159
  
  
  1,552,280,684,052
  
  
  1,116,204,041,840
  
  
  720,899,138,357
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
 
 
  
  Other Income / Expenses
  
  
  147,953,472,018
  
  
  -188,123,168,568
  
  
  -277,027,022,106
  
  
  -118,471,788,738
  
 
 
  
  Earning Before Tax
  
  
  879,105,437,177
  
  
  1,364,157,515,484
  
  
  839,177,019,734
  
  
  602,427,349,619
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
 
 
  
  Net Income After Tax
  
  
  712,150,609,032
  
  
  885,309,392,676
  
  
  459,002,130,666
  
  
  358,393,696,396
  
 
 
  
  Loss Income of Subsidiary
  
  
  -18,561,961,755
  
  
  -23,295,906,897
  
  
  -31,676,440,195
  
  
  -11,633,588,120
  
 
 
  
  Net Income
  
  
  693,588,647,277
  
  
  862,013,485,779
  
  
  427,325,690,471
  
  
  346,760,108,276
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
 
 
  
  Earning Per Share
  
  
  615
  
  
  192
  
  
  127
  
  
  155
  
 
 
  
  Book Value Per Share
  
  
  1,045
  
  
  935
  
  
  880
  
  
  810
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
 
 
  
  Close Price
  
  
  10,000
  
  
  6,900
  
  
  4,175
  
  
  2,875
  
 
 
  
  PER
  
  
  16.24
  
  
  35.908
  
  
  32.821
  
  
  18.531
  
 
 
  
  PBV
  
  
  9.567
  
  
  7.373
  
  
  4.739
  
  
  3.547
  
 
 
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
 


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[obrolan-bandar] GGRM

2006-08-23 Thread www.titan
Dear all

Ada yg tau
Ada apa dgn Garem?

thx





 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS = Studi kasus

2006-08-23 Thread Dare Devil


Kelihatannya saya setuju dengan Mr.Frederick,
Kalo lihat grafiknya, PGAS saatnya koreksi besar2an dan kalau mau aman harus tunggu di support level baru masuk lagi.
Tinggal masalahnya kapan, apakah dalam 1-2 hari ini atau minggu depan.Kita tungu tanggal mainnya.
- Original Message From: oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:22:08 PMSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS = Studi kasus

Waktu kuliah khan ada studi kasus….Mumpung ada kesempatan saya ingin mengajak bicara Teknik Bandar di PGAS.Siapapun boleh bicara Target PGAS mau ke 16.000, 20.000, 24.000……Atau malah ada yg mau ngikutin jebloknya….11. 000, 7.000,….Yang jelas mari kita hitung MODAL BD yg saat ini baru beli..Kalau biasanya saya NGINTIP dulu, sekarang saya ingin menggunakan komentar P. Frederick sebagai ASUMSI; "if you wanna gamble...you can buy at any level below 13,000"Kemarin BOZZ menurunkan PGAS dari harga 13.600 hingga 12.600; setelah itu BUY BACK kembali dengan RANGE 12.600 13.000Artinya range tersebut adalah posisi ACC BUY oleh BOZZAnggaplah COSTnya muncul 12.750 jadi dengan target GAIN 20%-30% ke depan utk SHORT/MEDIUM TERM adalah 15.300 16.575.So… karena BELINYA "huge amount to beat their forecast "maka perlu dicermati :1. BOZZ MINIMAL akan mendapat GAIN 10 15%2. Harga 16.575
 akan bisa TERKEREK lebih jauh KALAU barang masih belum HABIS. Yang pasti harga MINIMAL akan TERCAPAI.Mungkin saat ini teman2 TA Trader bisa menggunakan "Teknik Menunggu di Tikungan" Kalau yang ini pasti menunggu indicator….Utk tradisional; saat ini PGAS berada di area ground dari Upper Channel…..Tetapi berdasar Analisa Perilaku; PGAS kalau turun cuman 1-3 hari..Setelah itu nge-jozz LAGI…Tetapi kalau "momentum trending" keluar dari pakem-nya maka;"stake sale nya masih 3 bulan…."Artinya rebound still waiting….. Please Correct Me If I Were Wrong…..Hehehe…> > > > - Original Message - > > From: b3no > > To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:16 PM> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS> >
 > > > > Kalau saya malah ngeri tuh ama pgas, soalnya diliat kinerjanya > yang > > agak2 ngeri alias byk proyek2 SSWJ PGN yng meleset dari schedule. > > kalo diliat pemerintah mau jual 3 bulan lagi yah wajar lah mereka > > kan gak mau sahamnya jatuh pas bulan november pdhl bulan > pertengahan > > nov pgn bakalan lounch project mereka. Tapi mnrt sumber pertamina > > pemasok gas pgn sepertinya PGN gak bakal tepat waktu, alias kena > > take or pay yg seharinya $50.000. Prediksi mereka pgn baru bisa > pake > > gas pertamina diawal 2007 dan ini sptnya pemerintah dah > > tau...Kayaknya utk PGas Hit and run aja ah...ngerriii. ... target > sih > > kalo njeblok idealnya bisa balik lagi ke 7000an... ini kata analis > > asing bener gak sih?> > > > any comment??> > > > ---
 In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "oentoeng_q"  > > wrote:> > >> > > Inilah Contrarian tulen ala BEJ.> > > Artinya; > > > Kalau menurut Embah bahwa BEJ itu SEPI maka posisi Pemain Besar > > > SERINGKALI harus CONTRARIAN.. .> > > Maksudnya;> > > Mungkin kalau kita yg biasa beli 100-1000 lot tidak terlalu > sulit > > > utk mencari saham tapi SANGAT BERBEDA dengan Big Player.> > > > > > Jadi kalau mau beli harus ketika orang2 profit taking, bad news, > > > atau kalau perlu menakut2i orang. Supaya dapet semua barang yang > > > DIBUTUHKAN. > > > Demikian ketika Jualan harus ketika good news,atau bikin NEWS,.> ..> > > supaya semua DAGANGAN
 laris manis..> > > > > > Makanya ntar kalau P. Frederick (Pemain Besar dkk)waktu beli/> jual > > > secara TA akan terjadi kondisi overbought/oversold ...> > > Sampai2 forecast para analis PERLU DITAMBAHI/DIKURANGI ...> > > Begitu maksudnya khan buat teman2 yg lain??> > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Frederick Schubert > > >  wrote:> > > >> > > > exactly pak oen> > > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat their > > > forecast hehehehe> > > > cheers> > > > > > > > oentoeng_q  wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Frederick Schubert > > > >  wrote:> > > > >> > > > > down grade tu kadang2 harus dibaca: ML mau beli di > > > > bawah...hehehehehe> > > > > > > > Ntar masuk pake DP karena dia yg punya target 20.000 lebih> > > > hahahaha...> > > > Sekarang lagi musim model beginian. > > > > Right Mr Frederick?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > up_trends  wrote: di dwn grade sama ML ke > > > > SELL> > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "pemainbesar" > > > >
  > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dow Jones reported just now 11.35 indonesia time:> > > > > > > > > > > > Indonesian government expect to raise IDR3 trillion from > > > selling > > > > > 5.31% > > > > > > stake, or 185.8 million shares, in PT Perusahaan Gas > Negara > > > > (PGAS.JK).> > > > > > To raise IDR3 trillion, the govermment must sell the stake > > at > > > > > IDR16,000 > > > > > > per share..> > > > > > just sharing..investmen

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[obrolan-bandar] Software si BOZZ

2006-08-23 Thread Karno Edy





to : embah , ilmuwan perbandaran dan rekan-rekan 
milis
 
Nanya ,
Dari penelitian embah :
1.  Berapa besar software digunakan 
untuk dasar keputusan trading BOZZ, atau keputusan lebih banyak diambil dengan 
cara manual menggunakan insting/kelihaian si BOZZ?
2. Apakah auto execute dipake oleh si BOZZ 
(buy/sell order), sampai seberapa jauh penggunaannya ?  
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rony Santoso 
  
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:20 
  AM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] harga wajar 
  BDMN
  
  
  
  apakah ada yang hitung 
  harga wajar dari BDMN?
   
  syukur2 bila sekalian ada 
  cara hitungnya...
   
  trims,
  Rony
   
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread Halim





yakin tuh sumbernya valid ??
 
ntar cuman rumor doang

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  b3no 
  
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:39 
  AM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
  
  
  take or pay bos maksudnya lu gak pake gas gw, kena denda, artinya pgn 
  bakal kena sanksi kalau lewat dari batas waktu jatuh tempo dari 
  pertamina kalau lewat pertengahan november pgn kena $50.000 per 
  harinya itu dah agreement mereka ber2,artinya kalo baru bisa pake awal 
  2007 yah kaliin aja tiap harinya brp... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
  "Halim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> SSWJ molor... itu sih 
  udah dari dulu.. dari bulan July udah ada pengumuman kalau SSWJ 1 molor ke 
  1Q2007.. Tapi biar molor duit tetap masuk.> > Cuman pengaruh 
  di bayar bunga selama 6 bulan <-- kecil> > Take off pay 
  50.000/hari... dari mana tuh ?? Kayaknya ngak mungkin deh> 
  > - Original Message - > From: b3no > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:16 PM> Subject: 
  [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS> > > Kalau saya malah ngeri tuh 
  ama pgas, soalnya diliat kinerjanya yang > agak2 ngeri alias byk 
  proyek2 SSWJ PGN yng meleset dari schedule. > kalo diliat pemerintah 
  mau jual 3 bulan lagi yah wajar lah mereka > kan gak mau sahamnya jatuh 
  pas bulan november pdhl bulan pertengahan > nov pgn bakalan lounch 
  project mereka. Tapi mnrt sumber pertamina > pemasok gas pgn sepertinya 
  PGN gak bakal tepat waktu, alias kena > take or pay yg seharinya 
  $50.000. Prediksi mereka pgn baru bisa pake > gas pertamina diawal 
  2007 dan ini sptnya pemerintah dah > tau...Kayaknya utk PGas Hit and 
  run aja ah...ngerriii target sih > kalo njeblok idealnya 
  bisa balik lagi ke 7000an... ini kata analis > asing bener gak 
  sih?> > any comment??> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
  "oentoeng_q" > > wrote:> >> 
  > Inilah Contrarian tulen ala BEJ.> > Artinya; > > 
  Kalau menurut Embah bahwa BEJ itu SEPI maka posisi Pemain Besar > > 
  SERINGKALI harus CONTRARIAN...> > Maksudnya;> > 
  Mungkin kalau kita yg biasa beli 100-1000 lot tidak terlalu sulit > 
  > utk mencari saham tapi SANGAT BERBEDA dengan Big Player.> > 
  > > Jadi kalau mau beli harus ketika orang2 profit taking, bad news, 
  > > atau kalau perlu menakut2i orang. Supaya dapet semua barang yang 
  > > DIBUTUHKAN. > > Demikian ketika Jualan harus ketika 
  good news,atau bikin NEWS,...> > supaya semua DAGANGAN laris 
  manis..> > > > Makanya ntar kalau P. Frederick (Pemain 
  Besar dkk)waktu beli/jual > > secara TA akan terjadi kondisi 
  overbought/oversold...> > Sampai2 forecast para analis PERLU 
  DITAMBAHI/DIKURANGI...> > Begitu maksudnya khan buat teman2 yg 
  lain??> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
  Frederick Schubert > > > wrote:> > 
  >> > > exactly pak oen> > > sometimes i have 
  to buy something in huge amount to beat their > > 
  forecasthehehehe> > > cheers> > > > 
  > > oentoeng_q > wrote:> > > 
  > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
  Frederick Schubert > > > > wrote:> 
  > > >> > > > down grade tu kadang2 harus dibaca: ML 
  mau beli di > > > bawah...hehehehehe> > > > 
  > > Ntar masuk pake DP karena dia yg punya target 20.000 lebih> 
  > > hahahaha...> > > Sekarang lagi musim model beginian. 
  > > > Right Mr Frederick?> > > > > > 
  > > > > > up_trends  wrote: di dwn grade 
  sama ML ke > > > SELL> > > > > > > 
  > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, 
  "pemainbesar" > > > > > > > 
  > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dow Jones 
  reported just now 11.35 indonesia time:> > > > > > 
  > > > > Indonesian government expect to raise IDR3 trillion from 
  > > selling > > > > 5.31% > > > > 
  > stake, or 185.8 million shares, in PT Perusahaan Gas Negara > 
  > > (PGAS.JK).> > > > > To raise IDR3 trillion, the 
  govermment must sell the stake > at > > > > IDR16,000 
  > > > > > per share..> > > > > just 
  sharing..investment is on your call.> > > > > 
  cheers...> > > > >> > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > > > 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] GGRM

2006-08-23 Thread Widhie !!!



Rumornya keluarga pemilik saham GGRM sedang merundingkan penjualan saham dengan BAT. Akan menjadi kombinasi yang bagus karena BAT kuat di rokok putih, sedangkan GGRM kuat di kretek.Hal ini sudah dibantah oleh manajemen GGRM dengan mengatakan bahwa mereka "sama sekali tidak tahu menahu tentang rencana penjualan tersebut".
Apakah mungkin pemegang saham menjual saham tanpa sepengetahuan manajemen (meskipun baru pada tahap pembicaraan awal)?rgdsOn 8/23/06, www.titan
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Dear allAda yg tauAda apa dgn Garem?thx

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[obrolan-bandar] Sterling August 23, 2006

2006-08-23 Thread Aditya
Sterling August 23,  2006
Rabu 23 Agustus 2006 08.00 am GMT+7
By: Aditya  


Technicall Analyis for GBP/USD
Tembusan ke support point di 1.8850 akan membuka peluang sell baru 
untuk sterling dengan target point awal di 1.8820, selanjutnya titik 
1.8800 akan menjadi support kuat untuk bisa ditembus oleh pair ini. 
Jika secara teknikal Sterling ggal menembus 1.8800 maka sterling 
berpeluang rebound kembali . Tembusan ke resistance point di 1.8900 
akan membawa pair ini mnyentuh titik 1.8935 resistance kuat di 
kisaran 1.8950 – 1.8955 tembusan ke atas level ini akan membawa 
sterling untuk menguat lebih lanjut.
Suggest: 
Buy High, sell low
a.  Buy 1 at 1.8900, TP: 1.8980, SL: 1.8875
b.  Sell 1 at  1.8850, TP: 18780, SL: 1.8875
Buy low, sell high (digunakan jika secara teknikal pair tersebut 
gagal menembus titik support/reistancenya
c.  Buy 2 at 1.8805, TP: 1.8875, SL: 1.8785
d.  Sell 2 at 1.8945, TP: 1.8890, SL: 1.8960

Suggest note:  (Always use trailing stop to manage ur risk)
Please use ur own trading rules and make ur self confidence !
Reff:
www.fxstreet.com
www.reuters.com
www.bloomberg.com
www.dailyfx.com

Regards,

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread bozz





BUT
Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang 
kecil2
Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan
Tapi tidak sekaligus...
Karena apa???
Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit 
tdk keliatan...
Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak 
himalaya...
Karena ada berberapa akan break new 
higher
Sebagian sudah .
Jatuhnya bener2 gak 
enakkhan
 
Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...
Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...
See U All at The Lower Top
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Frederick 
  Schubert 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: 
  PGAS
  
  
  
  exactly pak oen
  sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat their 
  forecasthehehehe
  cheers
  

  .  
  
  

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mencari Broker yg tepat - Bagaimana tahu dipake day-trade?

2006-08-23 Thread EKA SUWANDANA



Kejadiannya tahun lalu , saya nggak akan sebut sekuritas mana karena sebenernya broker dan branch manager agak 'longgar' pengawasan.  Saya udah bingung sejak awal soalnya cash position suka nambah diluar perhitungan. Sedangkan TC yg diberikan hanya TC yg saya tahu. So karena sebelumnya day tradingnya untung terusnggak ketahuan malah saya seneng kok ada dana nambah 1-2 juta, tiap bulan, saya pikir mungkin saya salah hitung fee atau apaan gitu.  Tapi kemudian suatu hari, saya  di telpon sama brokernya...dia lapor day trading yg saya tidak pernah dikasih tahusudah loss 5 jt. Saya kaget, dan langsung saya cek transaksi saya dari awal sampai akhir saya jadi nasabah, ketahuan deh kalo acct.saya udah berkali2 dipakai day trading. Akhirnya sih duit diganti (itu juga keselnya dicicil 2 kali, sepertinya kantor pusat jakarta nggak tahu)cuma langsung nggak enak hati. Walaupun si broker udah dikeluarkan, saya pindahin aja semua
 portofolio.     Jadi cek cash position terus menerus apa sesuai catatan kita. Terus minta histori transaksi. Sebenernya si broker nggak cari gain dia butuh pencapaian target omzet utk fee/gaji dia.Cubit Aja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Beruntunglah saya belum pernah mengalami hal beginian, atau mungkin karena acct saya pada mrk masih terlalu kecil yah. tapi yg saya tahu setiap ada transaksi pasti ada surat konfirmasi dari sekuritas dimana kita bisa komplain
 dalam 3 hari kalo ada ketidak-beresan.   - Original Message -   From: Halim Mintareja   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com   Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:53 PM  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mencari Broker yg tepat - Bagaimana tahu dipake day-trade?yoi... memang susah sih kalau sudah tidak percaya...     memang sih banyak saham yang bisa dipinjamkan di beberapa securitas... Bahkan ada
 beberapa securitas yang menulis di perjanjian broker-nasabah bahwa broker boleh meminjamkan portofolio nasabah... Jadi langkah pertama.. baca dulu perjanjian broker-nasabah.. jangan asal tanda tangan.      soal recording memang yang aku tau dipasang di fixed line... ada yang dihapus tiap  minggu.. ada pula yang tiap bulan.     btw.. aku bingung.. bagaimana mungkin saham kita dipakai buat daytrading .. bukankah kalau day trading tidak perlu saham.  Terus kalau account kita dipakai oleh orang lain bukankah kita terima laporannya via fax atau e-mail ??     Saham saya pernah dipinjam orang.. tapi itu dengan pemberitahuan terlebih dahulu...via telp yang juga di-record.. So far aman-aman saja.. maklum saya type investor medium.. jarang trading cepat    On 8/19/06, T Halim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:   Soal transparansi ini bagaimana kita tahu nya?Who is watching them? Bapepam? How? Audit ? Jika di audit apakah kita bisa tahu resultnya? Maklum di negeri ini banyak hal bisa "diatur".Kalau saham saham yg kita notabene titipin di mereka dipakai day-trading gitu jelas itu sudah masuk ke tindak kriminal. Boleh tolong share bagaimana cara kita bisa tahu secara mudah hal ini berlangsung? Kalau dia masih menang terus mungkin kita ga bakal tahu saham itu udah ditransaksikan berkali kali. Kalau dia rugi dan masih ada uang utk covering the loss sih ga apa apa at least saham kita masih ada. Perintah jual atau beli itu seperti dikatakan posting sblmnya ada recording dari perintah beli atau jual. Apakah itu termasuk dng hp
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BLTA menuju 4700?

2006-08-23 Thread Eddy Purnomo



Iya Kang, IDR. 2,500 make sense, 2,750 possible. Kalo begitu dual listing langsung 4.700,- rasanya agak susah. kalau setelah listing di-rally ke IDR. 4,000an, make more sense to me.     Salam.     EKA SUWANDANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Yah biasa wartawan Bisnis Indonesia (BI) dan Investor Daily (ID)sering 'salah kutip'. Teman saya wartawan BI juga tukang maen saham. Dulu kursus bareng gw di Megadana milenium. Dia juga yg blow up rencana divestasi INAF ke perusahaan New Zealand tahun 2002. Jadi klarifikasi juga koran macem KOMPAS, KORAN TEMPO. Langganan minimal 2 koran lah!     Inget saja waktu bulan lalu ttg APEX, angka2 penawaran ALCO antara BI dan ID, jauh beda. Untung ada internet.     So nggak mungkin
 4700/lembar.sepertinya di bawah 2500.Eddy Purnomo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Sekedar share informasi :     BLTA telah mengklarifikasi berita pada Harian Business Indonesia tanggal 16 Agustus 2006. Yaitu pada bagian (paragraph) yang mengatakan :     Quote :  "Dari penawaran saham itu Berlian Laju Tanker akan meraup dana antara US$. 400 juta - US$. 500 juta. Dana hasil IPO si Singapura tersebut akan digunakan untuk mendanai pembuatan 15 kapal".  Unquote**     Diklarifikasi oleh BLTA bahwa seharusnya berbunyi dan dibaca sebagai berikut:     Quote :  "Dari penawaran saham itu Berlian Laju Tanker akan memperoleh
 dana yang akan digunakan untuk membiayai sebagian program. pengembangan armada/pembuatan kapal. Adapun total dana yang dibutuhkan untuk pengembangan armada tersebut secara keseluruhan berkisar antara US$. 400 juta - US$. 500 Juta".  Unquote**     Any comment pleasee..           Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread Eddy Purnomo



      Ehmm. "Lower Top" ... Roger that.     bozz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  BUT  Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2  Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan  Tapi tidak sekaligus...  Karena apa???  Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk keliatan...  Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...  Karena ada berberapa akan break new
 higher  Sebagian sudah .  Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan     Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...  Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...  See U All at The Lower Top      - Original Message -   From: Frederick Schubert   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGASexactly pak oen  sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat their forecasthehehehe  cheers.   No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release Date: 8/21/2006  
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread oentoeng_q
Biar saya perjelas...
Karena DOKU-nya MEFFET.
Jadi strategi beginilah yg digunakan
Makanya dimana GEROMBOLAN berada disitulah kita bermain.
Mereka LONCATikutlah kita!?
Right Bozz???
 
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BUT
> Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2
> Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan
> Tapi tidak sekaligus...
> Karena apa???
> Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk 
keliatan...
> Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...
> Karena ada berberapa akan break new higher
> Sebagian sudah .
> Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan
> 
> Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...
> Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...
> See U All at The Lower Top
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Frederick Schubert 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM
>   Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> 
> 
> 
>   exactly pak oen
>   sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat their 
forecasthehehehe
>   cheers
> 
> 
>   . 
>
> 
> 
> ---
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> 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Software si BOZZ

2006-08-23 Thread oentoeng_q
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Karno Edy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> to : embah , ilmuwan perbandaran dan rekan-rekan milis
> 
> Nanya ,
> Dari penelitian embah :
> 1.  Berapa besar software digunakan untuk dasar keputusan trading 
BOZZ, atau keputusan lebih banyak diambil dengan cara manual 
menggunakan insting/kelihaian si BOZZ?

Supaya hari ini agak rame P. Karno;sedikit dari saya sebagai bahan 
utk ditindaklanjuti.
Bozz memiliki software yg bisa membuat SIMULASI BULLISH; padahal 
kalau kita memakai software khan utk MEMPREDIKSI harga, arah indeks, 
dll..
Apalagi kalau P. Karno mengetahui software LUAR punya  cuanggih 
menurut saya; banyak dari kita akan terkagum2.


> 2. Apakah auto execute dipake oleh si BOZZ (buy/sell order), 
sampai seberapa jauh penggunaannya ?  

Nah ini yg menarik...
Kalau kebanyakan dari kita order kayak biasanyalah..
Tapi kalau Bozz bisa BERBEDA!
Intinya PLAYING FIELD of BATTLE sudah disiapkan, tinggal mengolah 
saham X mau diajak NAIK/TURUN nggak masalah!?
Wong mereka yang MENDIKTE/MEMIMPIN PASAR...
Sampai SPEED trading bisa ditentukan oleh Bozz.
Kita mau speed 5 km/jam atau 50km/jam atau malah LEBIH?
Bingung khan?

Siapa tahu Mbah bisa njelasinsudah kangen nih sama Beliau

 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Rony Santoso 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:20 AM
>   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] harga wajar BDMN
> 
> 
> 
>   apakah ada yang hitung harga wajar dari BDMN?
> 
>   syukur2 bila sekalian ada cara hitungnya...
> 
>   trims,
>   Rony
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread Johand Dimalouw
Rekan,
Sekedar koreksi...

BUKAN 
... Take off Pay 50.000/hari.

TAPI

 Take or Pay 50.000/hari..

yang berarti ... kalau tidak ambil gasnya tetap HARUS
Bayar dulu dan dihitung kemudian hari. Ini untuk jamin
cashflownya PGN.

Salam
JD 

--- Halim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> SSWJ molor... itu sih udah dari dulu.. dari bulan
> July udah ada pengumuman kalau SSWJ 1 molor ke
> 1Q2007.. Tapi biar molor duit tetap masuk.
> 
> Cuman pengaruh di bayar bunga selama 6 bulan <--
> kecil
> 
> Take off pay 50.000/hari... dari mana tuh ??
> Kayaknya ngak mungkin deh
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: b3no 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:16 PM
>   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> 
> 
>   Kalau saya malah ngeri tuh ama pgas, soalnya
> diliat kinerjanya yang 
>   agak2 ngeri alias byk proyek2 SSWJ PGN yng meleset
> dari schedule. 
>   kalo diliat pemerintah mau jual 3 bulan lagi yah
> wajar lah mereka 
>   kan gak mau sahamnya jatuh pas bulan november pdhl
> bulan pertengahan 
>   nov pgn bakalan lounch project mereka. Tapi mnrt
> sumber pertamina 
>   pemasok gas pgn sepertinya PGN gak bakal tepat
> waktu, alias kena 
>   take or pay yg seharinya $50.000. Prediksi mereka
> pgn baru bisa pake 
>   gas pertamina diawal 2007 dan ini sptnya
> pemerintah dah 
>   tau...Kayaknya utk PGas Hit and run aja
> ah...ngerriii target sih 
>   kalo njeblok idealnya bisa balik lagi ke 7000an...
> ini kata analis 
>   asing bener gak sih?
> 
>   any comment??
> 
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> "oentoeng_q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Inilah Contrarian tulen ala BEJ.
>   > Artinya; 
>   > Kalau menurut Embah bahwa BEJ itu SEPI maka
> posisi Pemain Besar 
>   > SERINGKALI harus CONTRARIAN...
>   > Maksudnya;
>   > Mungkin kalau kita yg biasa beli 100-1000 lot
> tidak terlalu sulit 
>   > utk mencari saham tapi SANGAT BERBEDA dengan Big
> Player.
>   > 
>   > Jadi kalau mau beli harus ketika orang2 profit
> taking, bad news, 
>   > atau kalau perlu menakut2i orang. Supaya dapet
> semua barang yang 
>   > DIBUTUHKAN. 
>   > Demikian ketika Jualan harus ketika good
> news,atau bikin NEWS,...
>   > supaya semua DAGANGAN laris manis..
>   > 
>   > Makanya ntar kalau P. Frederick (Pemain Besar
> dkk)waktu beli/jual 
>   > secara TA akan terjadi kondisi
> overbought/oversold...
>   > Sampai2 forecast para analis PERLU
> DITAMBAHI/DIKURANGI...
>   > Begitu maksudnya khan buat teman2 yg lain??
>   > 
>   > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick
> Schubert 
>   >  wrote:
>   > >
>   > > exactly pak oen
>   > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge
> amount to beat their 
>   > forecasthehehehe
>   > > cheers
>   > > 
>   > > oentoeng_q  wrote:
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> Frederick Schubert 
>   > >  wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > down grade tu kadang2 harus dibaca: ML mau
> beli di 
>   > > bawah...hehehehehe
>   > > 
>   > > Ntar masuk pake DP karena dia yg punya target
> 20.000 lebih
>   > > hahahaha...
>   > > Sekarang lagi musim model beginian. 
>   > > Right Mr Frederick?
>   > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > up_trends  wrote: di dwn grade
> sama ML ke 
>   > > SELL
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> "pemainbesar" 
>   > >  
>   > > > wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Dow Jones reported just now 11.35
> indonesia time:
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Indonesian government expect to raise IDR3
> trillion from 
>   > selling 
>   > > > 5.31% 
>   > > > > stake, or 185.8 million shares, in PT
> Perusahaan Gas Negara 
>   > > (PGAS.JK).
>   > > > > To raise IDR3 trillion, the govermment
> must sell the stake 
>   at 
>   > > > IDR16,000 
>   > > > > per share..
>   > > > > just sharing..investment is on your
> call.
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread redyherinantoalb
Bagaimana caranya tahu grombolan loncat ke mana? Tanya  mbah dukun 
pak? :)

Redy

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Biar saya perjelas...
> Karena DOKU-nya MEFFET.
> Jadi strategi beginilah yg digunakan
> Makanya dimana GEROMBOLAN berada disitulah kita bermain.
> Mereka LONCATikutlah kita!?
> Right Bozz???
>  
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz"  wrote:
> >
> > BUT
> > Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2
> > Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan
> > Tapi tidak sekaligus...
> > Karena apa???
> > Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk 
> keliatan...
> > Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...
> > Karena ada berberapa akan break new higher
> > Sebagian sudah .
> > Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan
> > 
> > Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...
> > Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...
> > See U All at The Lower Top
> > 
> > 
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: Frederick Schubert 
> >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   exactly pak oen
> >   sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat their 
> forecasthehehehe
> >   cheers
> > 
> > 
> >   . 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > -
--
> ---
> > 
> > 
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Date: 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread oentoeng_q
Contoh mudahnya menurut saya..
Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, BNGA, 
BMRI.
Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan mana 
yg goyang DOMBRET betulan?
Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana???
Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bagaimana caranya tahu grombolan loncat ke mana? Tanya  mbah dukun 
> pak? :)
> 
> Redy
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Biar saya perjelas...
> > Karena DOKU-nya MEFFET.
> > Jadi strategi beginilah yg digunakan
> > Makanya dimana GEROMBOLAN berada disitulah kita bermain.
> > Mereka LONCATikutlah kita!?
> > Right Bozz???
> >  
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz"  wrote:
> > >
> > > BUT
> > > Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2
> > > Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan
> > > Tapi tidak sekaligus...
> > > Karena apa???
> > > Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk 
> > keliatan...
> > > Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...
> > > Karena ada berberapa akan break new higher
> > > Sebagian sudah .
> > > Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan
> > > 
> > > Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...
> > > Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...
> > > See U All at The Lower Top
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   - Original Message - 
> > >   From: Frederick Schubert 
> > >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> > >   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   exactly pak oen
> > >   sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat 
their 
> > forecasthehehehe
> > >   cheers
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   . 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---
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> --
> > ---
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   No virus found in this incoming message.
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> > >   Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release 
> Date: 
> > 8/21/2006
> > >
> >
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[obrolan-bandar] unsp

2006-08-23 Thread chotti imami



  ada berita kebakan kbn klp sawit 50rb Ha, ktnya sebagian punya UNSP bnr gitu   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share

2006-08-23 Thread Karno Edy





yg satu 90 kb satunya 500 kb tapi sama2 cuma 1 page 
ya
 

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:30 
  PM
  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : 
  Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share
  
  
  Best Regards,SAMUEL SUDESWANTO YEUNGRESEARCH 
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share

2006-08-23 Thread Sudeswanto





iya..
karena berbeda di gambar grafik..
wa 
pikir ga muat di mailing list, karena biasanya mailing list ga bisa attach yang 
lebih dari 500kb
jadi 
gambar grafiknya wa buang..
ternyata nyampe juga di mailing list yah? ^^
 

  -Original Message-From: Karno Edy 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 24 Agustus 2006 
  9:15To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
  [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 
  1++/share
  
  
  yg satu 90 kb satunya 500 kb tapi sama2 cuma 1 
  page ya
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: Sudeswanto 
To: samsudesyang@sinarmassekuritas.co.id 

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:30 
PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : 
Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share


Best Regards,SAMUEL SUDESWANTO YEUNGRESEARCH 
DEPARTMENTPT SINARMAS SEKURITASGEDUNG PLAZA BII MENARA 
IIIJl.M.H.Thamrin No.51Telp : 62-21-3925550 ext.159Fax : 
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Sekuritas, a member of the Jakartaand Surabaya Stock Exchanges, 
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from sources deemed reliable, however, PTSinarmas Sekuritas and its 
affiliated cannot guarantee its accuracy andcompleteness. PT Sinarmas 
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and may seek or will seek investment bankingor other business 
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or omission there from or for any loss how so ever arising from anyuse 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread redyherinantoalb
Hati2 bintitan lho bos he he he... gimana cara ngintipnya, dari data 
IQ plus bisa? Or saya harus lihat value terbesar, volume, atau 
Broker tertentu, terus saya melk mblebu wae?

Redy
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Contoh mudahnya menurut saya..
> Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, 
BNGA, 
> BMRI.
> Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan mana 
> yg goyang DOMBRET betulan?
> Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana???
> Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP..
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Bagaimana caranya tahu grombolan loncat ke mana? Tanya  mbah 
dukun 
> > pak? :)
> > 
> > Redy
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Biar saya perjelas...
> > > Karena DOKU-nya MEFFET.
> > > Jadi strategi beginilah yg digunakan
> > > Makanya dimana GEROMBOLAN berada disitulah kita bermain.
> > > Mereka LONCATikutlah kita!?
> > > Right Bozz???
> > >  
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > BUT
> > > > Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2
> > > > Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan
> > > > Tapi tidak sekaligus...
> > > > Karena apa???
> > > > Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk 
> > > keliatan...
> > > > Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...
> > > > Karena ada berberapa akan break new higher
> > > > Sebagian sudah .
> > > > Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan
> > > > 
> > > > Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...
> > > > Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...
> > > > See U All at The Lower Top
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   - Original Message - 
> > > >   From: Frederick Schubert 
> > > >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM
> > > >   Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   exactly pak oen
> > > >   sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat 
> their 
> > > forecasthehehehe
> > > >   cheers
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   . 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -
--
> --
> > --
> > > ---
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > >   Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > >   Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release 
> > Date: 
> > > 8/21/2006
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread Eddy Purnomo



Liat di Stock Watch juga kelihatan.  redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hati2 bintitan lho bos he he he... gimana cara ngintipnya, dari data IQ plus bisa? Or saya harus lihat value terbesar, volume, atau Broker tertentu, terus saya melk mblebu wae?Redy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> Contoh mudahnya menurut saya..> Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, BNGA, > BMRI.> Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan mana > yg goyang DOMBRET betulan?> Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana???> Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP..> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" >
 wrote:> >> > Bagaimana caranya tahu grombolan loncat ke mana? Tanya mbah dukun > > pak? :)> > > > Redy> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" > > wrote:> > >> > > Biar saya perjelas...> > > Karena DOKU-nya MEFFET.> > > Jadi strategi beginilah yg digunakan> > > Makanya dimana GEROMBOLAN berada disitulah kita bermain.> > > Mereka LONCATikutlah kita!?> > > Right Bozz???> > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz" wrote:> > > >> > > > BUT> > > > Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2> > > > Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan> > > > Tapi tidak sekaligus...> > > > Karena apa???> > >
 > Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk > > > keliatan...> > > > Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...> > > > Karena ada berberapa akan break new higher> > > > Sebagian sudah .> > > > Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan> > > > > > > > Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...> > > > Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...> > > > See U All at The Lower Top> > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Frederick Schubert > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM> > > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly pak
 oen> > > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat > their > > > forecasthehehehe> > > > cheers> > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---> --> > --> > > ---> > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release > > Date: > > > 8/21/2006> > > >> > >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share

2006-08-23 Thread Frederick Schubert



fair value antam maksudnya S$1, or equal with IDR5,700-IDR5,800 a sharewhich could mean every time it hits this level, price correction occurs...  just a jokeignore it...  cheers  Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:iya..  karena berbeda di gambar grafik.. 
 wa pikir ga muat di mailing list, karena biasanya mailing list ga bisa attach yang lebih dari 500kb  jadi gambar grafiknya wa buang..  ternyata nyampe juga di mailing list yah? ^^   -Original Message-From: Karno Edy [mailto:karno.[EMAIL PROTECTED]com]Sent: 24 Agustus 2006 9:15To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share  yg satu 90 kb satunya 500 kb tapi sama2 cuma 1 page ya   - Original Message -   From: Sudeswanto   To: samsudesyang@sinarmassekuritas.co.id   Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:30 PM  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share  Best Regards,SAMUEL SUDESWANTO YEUNGRESEARCH DEPARTMENTPT
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share

2006-08-23 Thread Sudeswanto





it 
is in term of USD (US Dollar) 
it 
is NOT Singapore Dollar
 
thank you
 

  -Original Message-From: Frederick Schubert 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 24 Agustus 2006 
  11:38To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: 
  [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 
  1++/share
  
  
  fair value antam maksudnya S$1, or equal with IDR5,700-IDR5,800 
  a sharewhich could mean every time it hits this level, price correction 
  occurs...
  just a jokeignore it...
  cheers  Sudeswanto 
  sinarmassekuritas.co.id> wrote:
  


iya..
karena berbeda di gambar grafik..
wa pikir ga muat di mailing list, karena biasanya mailing list 
ga bisa attach yang lebih dari 500kb
jadi gambar grafiknya wa buang..
ternyata nyampe juga di mailing list yah? 
^^
 

  -Original Message-From: Karno Edy 
  [mailto:karno.[EMAIL PROTECTED]com]Sent: 24 Agustus 2006 
  9:15To: 
  obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
  [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 
  1++/share
  
  
  yg satu 90 kb satunya 500 kb tapi sama2 cuma 
  1 page ya
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: Sudeswanto 
To: samsudesyang@sinarmassekuritas.co.id 

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 
4:30 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : 
Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share


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RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share

2006-08-23 Thread Frederick Schubert



i know exactly the different of SGD and USD.my comment was aimed to jokingly observe the reference of the chart which combines trade volume and preferences of investors enthusiasm...  anyway, there was an old story of ANTM regarding its failure to convince regulatory authorities in Australia over its P1 (proven) and P3 (probable) reserves...some accountable changes in the reserves points have worried foreign funds...  it's just my two pennies and ignore it...as my comment was for a joke...  cheers  Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:it is in term of USD (US Dollar)   it is NOT Singapore Dollar     thank you   -Original Message-From: Frederick Schubert [mailto:pemainbesar@yahoo.com]Sent: 24 Agustus 2006 11:38To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive
 Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share  fair value antam maksudnya S$1, or equal with IDR5,700-IDR5,800 a sharewhich could mean every time it hits this level, price correction occurs...  just a jokeignore it...  cheers  Sudeswanto sinarmassekuritas.co.id> wrote:iya..  karena berbeda di gambar grafik..  wa pikir ga muat di mailing list, karena biasanya mailing list ga bisa attach yang lebih dari 500kb 
 jadi gambar grafiknya wa buang..  ternyata nyampe juga di mailing list yah? ^^   -Original Message-From: Karno Edy [mailto:karno.[EMAIL PROTECTED]com]Sent: 24 Agustus 2006 9:15To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share  yg satu 90 kb satunya 500 kb tapi sama2 cuma 1 page ya   - Original Message -   From: Sudeswanto   To: samsudesyang@sinarmassekuritas.co.id   Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:30 PM  Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Executive Summary; fundamental fair value : USD 1++/share  Best Regards,SAMUEL SUDESWANTO YEUNGRESEARCH DEPARTMENTPT SINARMAS SEKURITASGEDUNG PLAZA BII MENARA IIIJl.M.H.Thamrin No.51Telp : 62-21-3925550 ext.159Fax : 62-21-3925579DISCLAIMER :This material is issued by PT Sinarmas
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[obrolan-bandar] Indofood Catatkan Anak Usaha di Bursa Singapura

2006-08-23 Thread Widhie !!!



Indofood catatkan anak usaha ( Salim Ivomas ) di singapura.. ( back door listing )http://www.detikfinance.com/index.php/detik.read/tahun/2006/bulan/08/tgl/24/time/112512/idnews/661028/idkanal/6
Indofood Catatkan Anak Usaha di Bursa Singapura
 
Irna Gustia - detikcom 
  
     Jakarta
- PT Indofood Sukses Makmur Tbk (INDF) akan mencatatkan saham anak
usahanya yang bergerak di perkebunan sawit PT Salim Ivomas Pratama
(SIP) di Bursa Efek Singapura atau Singapore Exchange Securities
Trading Limited (SGX-ST).

SIP akan melantai di bursa Singapura melalui saham yang sudah tercatat sebelumnya di SGX yakni ISG Asia Limited (ISG). 

Pencatatan saham tersebut melalui pola transaksi Reverse Takeover atas ISG yang sahamnya tercatat di SGX-ST Dealing and Automated Quotation System (SGX-SESDAQ).

Demikian penjelasan Direktur Indofood Thomas Tjhie dalam siaran pers yang diterima detikcom, Kamis (24/8/2006).  

Salim Ivomas Pratama adalah perusahaan perkebunan kelapa sawit dan industri minyak goreng dan lemak nabati atau Edible Oils & Fats (EOF). Pada 17 Juli 2006 Salim Ivomas menjadi perusahaan induk atas merger enam anak usaha Indofood.


Anak perusahaan yang dimerger kedalam Salim Ivomas adalah PT Intiboga
Sejahtera (Jakarta), PT Bitung Menado Oil Industry (Manado), PT Sawitra
Oil Grains (Jakarta), PT Pratiwimba Utama (Jakarta), PT Gentala Artamas
(Jakarta). 

Kemudian pada 16 Agustus 2006, PT Salim Ivomas Pratama juga telah
menandatangani perjanjian jual beli bersyarat dengan Rascal Holdings
Limited, untuk mengakuisisi 60 persen kepemilikan di PT Mentari Subur
Abadi (MSA), PT Swadaya Bhakti Negaramas (SBN) dan PT Mega Citra
Perdana (MCP).

Ketiga perusahaan itu memiliki sekitar 85,500 hektar lahan perkebunan
untuk kelapa sawit di Sumatera Selatan, Kalimantan Timur dan Kalimantan
Tengah.

"Dengan masuknya salah satu anak perusahaan Indofood di bursa
internasional akan memperluas basis investor Grup Indofood dan
mendapatkan dana dari luar negeri guna mengembangkan usaha perseroan.
Kami percaya hal ini akan meningkatkan shareholder value perseroan," jelas Thomas.

Sehubungan dengan rencana transaksi tersebut di atas, Indofood akan
mendirikan anak perusahaan di Singapura untuk mengkonsolidasikan
kegiatan usaha EOF.

Indofood juga telah menandatangani perjanjian jual beli bersyarat (injection agreement) dengan ISG seharga US$ 249,5 juta atau setara dengan S$ 392,7 juta.

ISG akan menerbitkan saham baru sebanyak 9,982 miliar lembar untuk
membeli Salim Ivomas sehingga Indofood melalui anak perusahaannya
Singco 1 menerima 98,7 persen saham ISG Asia Ltd dengan harga S$0,03934
per lembar.

Selanjutnya, ISG akan berubah namanya menjadi Indofood Agri Resources
Ltd. ISG mengusulkan untuk menggabung 10 lembar saham ISG menjadi satu
saham konsolidasi. 

Selanjutnya, ISG mengajukan peningkatan pencatatan dari Singapore
Exchange Dealing and Automated Quotation System (SGX SESDAQ) ke papan
utama Singapore Exchange Securities Trading Limited (SGX ST) karena
kapitalisasi pasar dan aktivitas usahanya meningkat.

Indo Agri akan melakukan penawaran publik atas saham baru yang beredar setelah rencana akuisisi diselesaikan.

Dalam persyaratan Injection Agreement itu disebutkan
apabila harga penawaran saham kurang dari S$0,75 per lembar yang setara
dengan S$0,075 per lembar sebelum konsolidasi, maka Singco 1 wajib
memberikan kompensasi tunai kepada pemegang saham ISG yang tercatat
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread redyherinantoalb
Waduh, stockwatch itu apa bos? Semacam RTI/IQ+? Caranya gimana? 
Please inform me like I'm completely idiot, mulai dari awal saya 
ada koneksi internet 24 jam, dari situ bisa? Trus caranya ngintip 
gimana, tapi yang nggak bikin bintitan gitu lho. Yuuu :)

Redy

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> Liat di Stock Watch juga kelihatan.
>   
> 
> redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hati2 bintitan lho bos he he he... gimana cara ngintipnya, dari 
data 
> IQ plus bisa? Or saya harus lihat value terbesar, volume, atau 
> Broker tertentu, terus saya melk mblebu wae?
> 
> Redy
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Contoh mudahnya menurut saya..
> > Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, 
> BNGA, 
> > BMRI.
> > Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan 
mana 
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> > Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana???
> > Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP..
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Bagaimana caranya tahu grombolan loncat ke mana? Tanya mbah 
> dukun 
> > > pak? :)
> > > 
> > > Redy
> > > 
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" 
> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Biar saya perjelas...
> > > > Karena DOKU-nya MEFFET.
> > > > Jadi strategi beginilah yg digunakan
> > > > Makanya dimana GEROMBOLAN berada disitulah kita bermain.
> > > > Mereka LONCATikutlah kita!?
> > > > Right Bozz???
> > > > 
> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT
> > > > > Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2
> > > > > Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan
> > > > > Tapi tidak sekaligus...
> > > > > Karena apa???
> > > > > Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk 
> > > > keliatan...
> > > > > Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...
> > > > > Karena ada berberapa akan break new higher
> > > > > Sebagian sudah .
> > > > > Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan
> > > > > 
> > > > > Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...
> > > > > Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...
> > > > > See U All at The Lower Top
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > - Original Message - 
> > > > > From: Frederick Schubert 
> > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > exactly pak oen
> > > > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat 
> > their 
> > > > forecasthehehehe
> > > > > cheers
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[obrolan-bandar] [SoftCopy Buku] Peter Navarro - Big Picture Investing

2006-08-23 Thread masih_belajar saham



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 Money: The Key to Long Term Investing  Lecture 12   How to Buy and Sell Your Stocks Efficiently: The Art of Trade Execution  Lecture 13   How to Manage Your Portfolio Over the Internet  Lecture 14   A Day in the Life of a Big Picture Investor 12 parts   http://rapidshare.de/files/30319756/BigPict_Inv.zip  http://rapidshare.de/files/30319757/BigPict_Inv.z01  http://rapidshare.de/files/30319758/BigPict_Inv.z02  http://rapidshare.de/files/30319619/BigPict_Inv.z03  http://rapidshare.de/files/30319586/BigPict_Inv.z04  http://rapidshare.de/files/30319646/BigPict_Inv.z05  http://rapidshare.de/files/30320251/BigPict_Inv.z06  http://rapidshare.de/files/30320260/BigPict_Inv.z07  http://rapidshare.de/files/30321624/BigPict_Inv.z08  http://rapidshare.de/files/30324700/BigPict_Inv.z09  http://rapidshare.de/files/30324701/BigPict_Inv.z10 
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[obrolan-bandar] [SoftCopy Buku] Steven B. Achelis - Technical Analysis from A to Z

2006-08-23 Thread masih_belajar_saham
Steven B. Achelis - Technical Analysis from A to Z

Over the last decade I have met many of the top technical analysis
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No single book, nor any collection of books, can provide a complete
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but it is also evolving so quickly that anything written today becomes
incomplete (but not obsolete) tomorrow.
Armed with the above knowledge and well aware of the myriad of
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needs of both the novice and veteran investor. That is what I have
strived to create.
The first half of this book is for the newcomer. It is an introduction
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The second half is a reference that is designed for anyone using
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread b3no
Lah wong yg ngomong org pertaminanya sendiri, waktu itu kalo gak salah 
bulan juli lagi diwawancara ama metro tv di market review, katanya 
pertamina bilang kalo pgn lamban di project sswj pdhl waktunya dah 
mepet bgt... ada yg liat gak?

please correct me if i'm wrong
thx b4
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yakin tuh sumbernya valid ??
> 
> ntar cuman rumor doang
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: b3no 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:39 AM
>   Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
> 
> 
>   take or pay bos maksudnya lu gak pake gas gw, kena denda, artinya 
pgn 
>   bakal kena sanksi kalau lewat dari batas waktu jatuh tempo dari 
>   pertamina kalau lewat pertengahan november pgn kena $50.000 per 
>   harinya itu dah agreement mereka ber2,artinya kalo baru bisa pake 
awal 
>   2007 yah kaliin aja tiap harinya brp... 
> 
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim"  wrote:
>   >
>   > SSWJ molor... itu sih udah dari dulu.. dari bulan July udah ada 
>   pengumuman kalau SSWJ 1 molor ke 1Q2007.. Tapi biar molor duit 
tetap 
>   masuk.
>   > 
>   > Cuman pengaruh di bayar bunga selama 6 bulan <-- kecil
>   > 
>   > Take off pay 50.000/hari... dari mana tuh ?? Kayaknya ngak 
mungkin 
>   deh
>   > 
>   > - Original Message - 
>   > From: b3no 
>   > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:16 PM
>   > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Kalau saya malah ngeri tuh ama pgas, soalnya diliat kinerjanya 
>   yang 
>   > agak2 ngeri alias byk proyek2 SSWJ PGN yng meleset dari 
schedule. 
>   > kalo diliat pemerintah mau jual 3 bulan lagi yah wajar lah 
mereka 
>   > kan gak mau sahamnya jatuh pas bulan november pdhl bulan 
>   pertengahan 
>   > nov pgn bakalan lounch project mereka. Tapi mnrt sumber 
pertamina 
>   > pemasok gas pgn sepertinya PGN gak bakal tepat waktu, alias kena 
>   > take or pay yg seharinya $50.000. Prediksi mereka pgn baru bisa 
>   pake 
>   > gas pertamina diawal 2007 dan ini sptnya pemerintah dah 
>   > tau...Kayaknya utk PGas Hit and run aja ah...ngerriii target 
>   sih 
>   > kalo njeblok idealnya bisa balik lagi ke 7000an... ini kata 
analis 
>   > asing bener gak sih?
>   > 
>   > any comment??
>   > 
>   > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" 
 
>   > wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Inilah Contrarian tulen ala BEJ.
>   > > Artinya; 
>   > > Kalau menurut Embah bahwa BEJ itu SEPI maka posisi Pemain 
Besar 
>   > > SERINGKALI harus CONTRARIAN...
>   > > Maksudnya;
>   > > Mungkin kalau kita yg biasa beli 100-1000 lot tidak terlalu 
>   sulit 
>   > > utk mencari saham tapi SANGAT BERBEDA dengan Big Player.
>   > > 
>   > > Jadi kalau mau beli harus ketika orang2 profit taking, bad 
news, 
>   > > atau kalau perlu menakut2i orang. Supaya dapet semua barang 
yang 
>   > > DIBUTUHKAN. 
>   > > Demikian ketika Jualan harus ketika good news,atau bikin NEWS
,.
>   ..
>   > > supaya semua DAGANGAN laris manis..
>   > > 
>   > > Makanya ntar kalau P. Frederick (Pemain Besar dkk)waktu beli/
>   jual 
>   > > secara TA akan terjadi kondisi overbought/oversold...
>   > > Sampai2 forecast para analis PERLU DITAMBAHI/DIKURANGI...
>   > > Begitu maksudnya khan buat teman2 yg lain??
>   > > 
>   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
>   > >  wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > exactly pak oen
>   > > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat 
their 
>   > > forecasthehehehe
>   > > > cheers
>   > > > 
>   > > > oentoeng_q  wrote:
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
>   > > >  wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > down grade tu kadang2 harus dibaca: ML mau beli di 
>   > > > bawah...hehehehehe
>   > > > 
>   > > > Ntar masuk pake DP karena dia yg punya target 20.000 lebih
>   > > > hahahaha...
>   > > > Sekarang lagi musim model beginian. 
>   > > > Right Mr Frederick?
>   > > > 
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > up_trends  wrote: di dwn grade sama ML ke 
>   > > > SELL
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "pemainbesar" 
>   > > >  
>   > > > > wrote:
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > Dow Jones reported just now 11.35 indonesia time:
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > Indonesian government expect to raise IDR3 trillion from 
>   > > selling 
>   > > > > 5.31% 
>   > > > > > stake, or 185.8 million shares, in PT Perusahaan Gas 
>   Negara 
>   > > > (PGAS.JK).
>   > > > > > To raise IDR3 trillion, the govermment must sell the 
stake 
>   > at 
>   > > > > IDR16,000 
>   > > > > > per share..
>   > > > > > just sharing..investment is on your call.
>   > > > > > cheers...
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > 
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>   > > > > 
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[obrolan-bandar] OOT ++

2006-08-23 Thread oon
Kulo nuwun Mbah,
Nuwun sewu, kali ini biasa aja, jadi OOT ++ saja
[sebenernya mau OOT BirdFlu (apa ini yang mbah maksud
dengan BirdMarket, mohon maaf bila aku sebut
WeirdMarket), perbanyak obat flu biar INAF, KAEF nggak
keleleren kayak KLBF yang kelembah]

Wah, udah pada turun gunung yak, ketinggalan lagi dong
aku. Sementara atau permanen? Mungkin istirahat dulu
kaleee, ambil napas githu loch..!! Tapi kalau
dilihat-lihat, udah pada first top, second top, ada
yang triple  Turun ke pitstop pertama

Dari prospektus tahun 2003 
ship or pay == Ketentuan yang mengharuskan PENJUAL gas
untuk menTRANSMISIkan gas bumi dalam volume tertentu
dan membayar biaya transmisi gas bumi untuk volume
tertentu tersebut, walaupun volume yang benar-benar
diTRANSMISIkan kurang dari volume yang telah
diperjanjikan. (membayar biaya tambahan bila ada,
untuk transmisi yang sudah dibayar sebelumnya tetapi
belum dipenuhi oleh PGAS = make-up rights)

Take or pay == Ketentuan yang mengharuskan PEMBELI gas
untuk MEMBELI gas bumi dalam volume tertentu dan
membayar harga gas bumi untuk volume tersebut,
WALAUPUN volume yang benar-benar diAMBIL kurang dari
volume yang telah diperjanjikan. (bodohnya pembeli
sudah bayar tetapi tidak mau pakai, tetapi tentu
diperhitungkan dengan biaya produksi yang lain. Kalau
gas dibuka tapi pabrik undercapasity ya Variabel Cost
bisa naik).

Make-up rights = karena perjanjian jual beli untuk
long term, maka setiap kewajiban (PGAS) yang BELUM
terpenuhi pada waktunya harus dipenuhi TANPA biaya
tambahan (karena pembeli gas sudah membayar lebih
dulu).

Aku pikir seperti transaksi dagang biasa, hal ini
nggak kaku-kaku amatlah, lebih detail dan clear coba
tanya CS PGAS.

Ngerumpi soal valuation, apa PBV, PER to date masih
valid buet ngitung, kalau ancer-ancer juga bingung lha
wong kalau dideretin bisa dari minus hingga ratusan
kali, mungkin maksudnya peer industry kali, jadi si A
sama si B murahan si A atau mahalan si B, tapi kalau
dipikir, tergantung isi dalemnya toh.

Keep on sailing or keep selling, Boss??

Mbah, dan yang lainnya boleh tanya, ada yang punya
reference bagus Asset Management yang pakai awalan
Re..Re.. gitu dech, kayaknya tuh mulai kena Tekanan
Financial yak, terlau banyak aset yang diambil alih,
wah to much assets will kill me dong!! Tapi buat studi
kasus PhD boleh tuh. Indonesia's Private Sector: From
Decade after Economic Crisis. Kurang lama ya
penelitiannya, maklum SD aja aku nggak tamat. Na lho!?

Else, tahunya migrasi, ya INTIP-INTIP dong, tuh ada
KSEI, ada Broker, minta tolong liat account si anu,
kale-kale di kasih. He..he... Apalgi yang Online
Trading, IT mah bisa dikadalin, KPU aja Jebol, apalagi
broker ecek-ecek. Tapi yang mumpuni sih OrLam, Orang
Dalam He..he...

Matur Nuwun, Mbah.  

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS

2006-08-23 Thread ALX



Coba lihat di sini:
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On 8/24/06, redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






Waduh, stockwatch itu apa bos? Semacam RTI/IQ+? Caranya gimana? Please inform me like I'm completely idiot, mulai dari awal saya ada koneksi internet 24 jam, dari situ bisa? Trus caranya ngintip gimana, tapi yang nggak bikin bintitan gitu lho. Yuuu :)
Redy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Eddy Purnomo 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Liat di Stock Watch juga kelihatan.> > 
> redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hati2 bintitan lho bos he he he... gimana cara ngintipnya, dari data > IQ plus bisa? Or saya harus lihat value terbesar, volume, atau 
> Broker tertentu, terus saya melk mblebu wae?> > Redy> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
, "oentoeng_q" > wrote:> >> > Contoh mudahnya menurut saya..> > Beberapa hari ini khan ada GOYANGAN BERSAMAAN di PANIN GROUPS, > BNGA, > > BMRI.> > Nah kira2 menurut sampeyan mana yg kategori goyang DOMPET dan 
mana > > yg goyang DOMBRET betulan?> > Kira2 para GAJAH melompat dari mana ke mana???> > Nah bagi saya utk konfirmasi perlu NGINTIP..> > > > --- In 
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" > > wrote:> > >> > > Bagaimana caranya tahu grombolan loncat ke mana? Tanya mbah > dukun > > > pak? :)
> > > > > > Redy> > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
, "oentoeng_q" > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Biar saya perjelas...> > > > Karena DOKU-nya MEFFET.> > > > Jadi strategi beginilah yg digunakan
> > > > Makanya dimana GEROMBOLAN berada disitulah kita bermain.> > > > Mereka LONCATikutlah kita!?> > > > Right Bozz???> > > > > > > > --- In 
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz" wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BUT
> > > > > Hati2 untuk semua trader...palagi yang kecil2> > > > > Semua akan naik perlahan-lahan> > > > > Tapi tidak sekaligus...> > > > > Karena apa???
> > > > > Untuk profit lebih besar dan kalo take profit tdk > > > > keliatan...> > > > > Hati2 nyangkut di ketinggian apalagi puncak himalaya...> > > > > Karena ada berberapa akan break new higher
> > > > > Sebagian sudah .> > > > > Jatuhnya bener2 gak enakkhan> > > > > > > > > > Angin Kencang Siapa Takut...> > > > > Angin sepoi2 bikin ngantuk...
> > > > > See U All at The Lower Top> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > From: Frederick Schubert 
> > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:35 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly pak oen> > > > > sometimes i have to buy something in huge amount to beat 
> > their > > > > forecasthehehehe> > > > > cheers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > 
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