Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecian Banget Buat Dewa TA Yang Ramal Indeks Ke 1800

[Soeratman Doerachman]

James

KAS itu Kang Asep Subroto? Kalau benar, dulu kan kita sering ketemu 
bareng sama dia yah. Setelah dapat basic dari dia lalu saya coba-coba 
ikut On Line seminar EW dari situs di Amrik. Udah banyak buang ongkos 
masih nggak mudeng juga tuh. Akhirnya short cut aja beli add on 
programnya EW untuk Metastock. Dari situ aku tau bahwa EW itu kurang 
handal untuk saham. EW cocok untuk index, forex ataupun pasar-pasar 
lain yang market paticipant nya banyak



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> Dewa TA tuh guru EW saya dan initial dia KAS atau KOMS, silakan 
tebak
> yah ... heheh
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> On 8/1/07, Frendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > dewa TA ini James Arifin ?
> > kalo begitu Laksono Dwighty vs James Arifin & Andri Wijaya ?
> > nonton di tribun aja dehntar di pinggir lapangan, kena jotos 
juga..
> > hehehehehe
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: Andri Wijaya
> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecian Banget Buat Dewa TA 
Yang Ramal
> > Indeks Ke 1800
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> > kalu 1000 atau 500, i never say that.
> > but 1800 may be
> > kalau target saya ikut saja DEWA TA Mr James Arifin
> > kalau pak laksono berani target bottom ihsg berapa?
> > ntar kita lihat siapa yang benar?
> > ok? can u accept my challenge?
> > regards
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> > On 8/1/07, laksono dwighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > o gitu ya.makanya pak andri jualan juga dunkbiar 
kalau
> > bisa index ke 1000 atau 500. gitu lo...
> > > biar economic domino nya kerasa kemana-mana
> > > asyik tuh.. hehehe
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> > > Andri Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > kalu kemaren, semua mungkin pada gak percaya kalu index mau 
dibawa ke 1800
> > karena ihsg plus luar biasa
> > > kalu hari ini, sebagian masih belum ada yang percaya index mau 
dibawa ke
> > 1800
> > > kalu sudah 1800, baru pada tulis HEBAT juga tuch DEWA TA - nya
> > > siapa sich DEWA TA yang dimaksud Mr James Arifin
> > > just a joke but that's the reality.
> > > he...
> > > regards
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> > > On 8/1/07, Mr. Boen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > DOW minus , Asia sebagian besar masih terbakar ..
> > > > mungkin aja dewa TA yang benar ?
> > > > WHO KNOWS , Nobody !!
> > > > Just safe trade .
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> > > > > Dalam negeri beluma ada berita positif,Lap Keu 1 H udah 
pada keluar.
> > > > > Jadi yang ada sekarang di kocok kocok DJIA.
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> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: James Arifin
> > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:56 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Kecian Banget Buat Dewa 
TA Yang
> > Ramal Indeks Ke 1800
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> > > > > tapi sekarang MBAH kok diam aja nggak ngajakin masuk lagi
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> > > > > On 7/31/07, pemainedan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
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> > > > > > Buat saya sih ga ada dewa TA... yang ada Mbah TA. Nah, 
kalo itu saya
> > > > > > percaya. Kalo Mbah udah mulai teriak & kasih warning, itu 
waktunya
> > > > > > utk waspada. Dan sudah terbukti 'kan.
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> > > > > > Kalau Mbah diam -> probably aman. Mbah teriak mau bull 
market ->
> > > > > > zaman keemasan tiba. Kalo dewa TA yg ngomong ke 1800 
itu... yah
> > > > > > maybe yes, maybe no. Gak usah dipuja, nanti memuja 
berhala, jd
> > > > > > ketinggalan cuan deh... hehehe...
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> > > > > > Lbh baik jadi cucu si Mbah aja, sapa tau kalo lucky bisa 
mewarisi
> > > > > > kesaktiannya.
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> > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , "joe_grunk" 

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> > > > > > > Emang ada dewa TA?
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> > > > > > > Dewa judi sih ada.. hehehe..
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> > > > > > > Bisa tahu siapa dewa ta?
> > > > > > > mau belajar dunk, barangkali jadi asisten dewa... 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re- Wave 4 - Corrective

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Apakah memang Wave 4 is in her way.Jika memang demikian maka koreksi 
mungkin akan agak dalam. Tetap jangan khawatir. Wave 4 SELALU akan 
diikuti oleh Wave 5 yang titik puncaknya lebih tinggi dari titik 
tertinggi wave 5. kapan? Tidak ada yang bisa memprediksi. Avoid long 
in wave 4 except you use swing trading strategy.
Is it possible to make money either in bullih or in bearish time? The 
professionals answer must be  "YES" depending on what strategy you 
are using.

Yang harus sangat dikhawatirkan adalah puncak Wave 5 karena akan 
selalu diikuti oleh koreksi yang sangat dalam.

Memang ada baiknya kita menguasai meskipun sedikit ilmu FA ataupun 
ilmu TA. Setidak-tidaknya resiko bisa dikurangi (bukan dihilangkan). 
hanya yang lebih penting tentunya adalh how can we control our 
emotion either in bullish or in bearis time.

MAAF JIKA ADA YANG SALAH-SALAH DARI ISI POSTING INI. 






--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Soeratman Doerachman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Elliot Wave mengenal 5 gerakan yaitu 3 gerakan impulse (1,3,5) dan 
2 
> gerakan corrective (2,4).
> Pada gerakan impulse maka gerakan 3 adalah yang terpanjang.
> Jika apa yang yang ter detect pada AlpOmega seperti posting kemarin 
> bahwa IHSG saat ini memasuki wave 4, maka koreksi tentunya akan 
> cukup dalam. Jika gerakan tidak dalam dan ternyata IHSG rally lagi 
> maka wave 4 nya gagal dan akan terjadi extension dari wave 3.
> Tentunya tidak bijaksana pada wave 4 mengambil posisi beli (long) 
> kecuali bagi para swing trader yang dapat memanfaatkan gerakan 
> gerakan swing denga melakukan strategi long (beli) ataupun short 
> (jual). Makanya SWING TRADING dapat dikatakan strategi yang cocok 
> baik pada masa bullish maupun masa bearish.
> Lalu sampai sejauh mana IHSG akan melakukan koreksi? Menurut 
ilmunya 
> akhir wave 3 tidak pernah lebih rendah dari awal wave 3.
> Wave 4 selanjutnya akan diikuti oleh wave 5 yang arahnya menuju ke 
> utara lagi alias rally yang akhir dari wave 5 ini selalu lebih 
> tinggi dari titik tertinggi wave 3. Dari sini dapat ditarik 
> kesimpulan bahwa IHSG menuju lebih tinggi dari 2400 adalah sesuatu 
> hal yang mungkin.
> Tentunya Wave 5 ini juga ada ahirnya. Jika wave 5 berakhir maka 
> disinilah kita harus hati-hati karena koreksi besar sekali akan 
> terjadi yang akan terdiri dari gelombang bearish sebanyak 2 kali 
> diseling oleh sekali gerakan bullish
> 
> CMIIW
>

[obrolan-bandar] Sedikit ttg Wave 4 - Corrective Wave

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Elliot Wave mengenal 3 gerakan yaitu 3 gerakan impulse (1,3,5) dan 2 
gerakan corrective (2,4).
Pada gerakan impulse maka gerakan 3 adalah yang terpanjang.
Jika apa yang yang ter detect pada AlpOmega seperti posting kemarin 
bahwa IHSG saat ini memasuki wave 4, maka koreksi tentunya akan 
cukup dalam. Jika gerakan tidak dalam dan ternyata IHSG rally lagi 
maka wave 4 nya gagal dan akan terjadi extension dari wave 3.
Tentunya tidak bijaksana pada wave 4 mengambil posisi beli (long) 
kecuali bagi para swing trader yang dapat memanfaatkan gerakan 
gerakan swing denga melakukan strategi long (beli) ataupun short 
(jual). Makanya SWING TRADING dapat dikatakan strategi yang cocok 
baik pada masa bullish maupun masa bearish.
Lalu sampai sejauh mana IHSG akan melakukan koreksi? Menurut ilmunya 
akhir wave 3 tidak pernah lebih rendah dari awal wave 3.
Wave 4 selanjutnya akan diikuti oleh wave 5 yang arahnya menuju ke 
utara lagi alias rally yang akhir dari wave 5 ini selalu lebih 
tinggi dari titik tertinggi wave 3. Dari sini dapat ditarik 
kesimpulan bahwa IHSG menuju lebih tinggi dari 2400 adalah sesuatu 
hal yang mungkin.
Tentunya Wave 5 ini juga ada ahirnya. Jika wave 5 berakhir maka 
disinilah kita harus hati-hati karena koreksi besar sekali akan 
terjadi yang akan terdiri dari gelombang bearish sebanyak 2 kali 
diseling oleh sekali gerakan bullish

CMIIW

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: tanya chart reksadana

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Ini hanya pendapat saya.

 

Barangkali IHSG bisa dipakai sebagai pegangan. Bukankah IHSG juga blended
dari seluruh saham ? Jadi cukup representative untuk dipakai sebagai
referensi kapan sebaiknya masuk atau "keluar dulu" meskipun didalam
reksadana istilah keluar biasanya dlam jangka pendek tidak ada melainkan
diganti dengan "zero cost averaging"

 

Sekali lagi ini hanya pendapat saya and CMIIW,  maklum baru belajar.

 

 

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From: investor_ngesot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:27 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: tanya chart reksadana

 


rasanya gak ada istilah 'bottom' dlm reksadana.. krn blended 
portfolio..

FM pun akan memastikan jika 'bottom' pun gak terlalu dalem krn ada 
bemper-nya.. jadi masuk aja any time 

--- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com, bewen kabidin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> dear rekan2,
> 
> ada yg tahu dimana kt bisa lihat nab reksadana dalam
> bentuk chart?
> jadi kalau mau masuk, kt bisa masuk di bottom
> 
> thanks
> 

 

[obrolan-bandar] Re: tanya chart reksadana

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Ini hanya pendapat saya.
Barangkali IHSG bisa dipakai sebagai pegangan. Bukankah IHSG juga 
blended dari seluruh saham ? Jadi cukup representative untuk dipakai 
sebagai referensi kapan sebaiknya masuk atau "keluar dulu" meskipun 
didalam reksadana istilah keluar biasanya dlam jangka pendek tidak 
ada melainkan diganti dengan "zero cost averaging"
Sekali lagi ini hanya pendapat saya and CMIIW,  maklum baru belajar.



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "investor_ngesot" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> rasanya gak ada istilah 'bottom' dlm reksadana..  krn blended 
> portfolio..
> 
> FM pun akan memastikan jika 'bottom' pun gak terlalu dalem krn ada 
> bemper-nya.. jadi masuk aja any time 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, bewen kabidin  
wrote:
> >
> > dear rekan2,
> > 
> > ada yg tahu dimana kt bisa lihat nab reksadana dalam
> > bentuk chart?
> > jadi kalau mau masuk, kt bisa masuk di bottom
> > 
> > thanks
> >
>

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: My favorite posting

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Yang satu elmu sama saya mah  saya nggak akan anggap favorite.

Yang tidak satu ilmu dan merupakan tambahan ilmu bagi saya maka saya anggap
mereka favorite.

Bukankah ilmu kita harus berkembang?

Jadi mereka-mereka yang tampil bedalah yang menarik saya.

 

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From: Aria Bela Nusa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:24 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: My favorite posting
Importance: High

 

EMBAH, EMBAH, EMBAH.he.he.

 

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From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of SbudianaC
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:06 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: My favorite posting

 

Thanks advice nya, memang begitulah kerjaan saya, kok tau semua  yah,
Pantesan kalo ga salah dipanggilnya mbah ya, kalo beli saham kelas INCO ya 1
lot aja, tapi kalo saham BNII yah terpaksa 100lot juga supaya kerasa juga,
rupa2nya pengetahuannya bukan di saham aja tuh, udah bikin persiapan untuk
masa tua yah, hahaha

 

From: jsx_consultant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 Juli 2007 12:00
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: My favorite posting

 

Bener pak, Vibby jagoan ampe udah BIKIN buku...

Yg udah lanjut usia sih perlu banyak humor, happy happy dan
jangan lupa olahraga BIKIN anak biar aliran cement LANCAR 
sehingga engga ngendap di PROSTAT, dan terhindar kanker PROSTAT 
katanye

Dan maen saham jangan banyak banyak, cukup satu lot aja,
jadi engga STRESS kalo kalah. Yang penting ikut gembira aja
dimilis OB... hehehe 

Happy disiang hari dan Puas dimalem hari... apalagi sih yg
diharapkan orang tua

--- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com, "SbudianaC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> Vibby benar2 Analis tuh, saya mah postingnya humor untuk hilangkan 
stress,
> maklum udah lanjut usia jadi perlu banyak humor supaya awet muda 
dong,
> hahaha.
> 
> SB
> 
> 
> 
> From: forever cuan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 10 Juli 2007 21:18
> To: obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: My favorite posting
> 
> 
> 
> 2 lagi juga: Vibby and SB ... nah loh Eyang? kok nambah terus 
ya? ... wah!
> ternyata milis ini kaya dengan analis, baik FA maupun TA
> 
> On 7/10/07, Andri Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
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> 2 lagi ach : hok-1and widhie 
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> On 7/10/07, boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
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> Pak Odink ...
> 
> hehehe 
> (ma'af bukan maksud apa2. tapi kalau boleh nambahin, saya pilih 
dia... 
> abis kadang2 lawakannya lutju djuga sih).
> 
> salam,
> 
> Andri Wijaya wrote: 
> 
> 3 lagi : Mr Lee Cwan Yeuw, Laksono and Pak James Arifin juga ok
> ayoo siapa yang nyusul he...
> 
> On 7/10/07, forever cuan < 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
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> 3 lagi: IAN, DE, AJP ... lhooo jadi banyak ya? hehe
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Pak Sudes, ANTM, INCO, TINS....Re: IRC akan beri nilai tambah USD 8 Milyar

[Soeratman Doerachman]

LCW, SB pakai bahasa German dan Belanda. Nggak mau kalah, Untuk lengkapnya
saya tambahin Bahasa Rusia

 

Sudes - ON OCEN KHARASYO

 

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From: SbudianaC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:25 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Pak Sudes, ANTM, INCO, TINSRe: IRC akan
beri nilai tambah USD 8 Milyar

 

Wow , LCY also speaks German right ? Ga mau kalah saya tambahin Belandanya

HONEST= EERLIJKHEID DUURT 'T LANGST 

 

From: Lee Cwan Yeuw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 Juli 2007 14:04
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pak Sudes, ANTM, INCO, TINSRe: IRC akan
beri nilai tambah USD 8 Milyar

 

MR SUDES = HONEST
HONEST = EHRLIECHEIT WAHRT AM LANGSTEN

CEN JIN BU PHA HUO = ANTM

BEST REGARDS,

LCY

- Original Message 
From: Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 1:47:15
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Pak Sudes, ANTM, INCO, TINSRe: IRC akan
beri nilai tambah USD 8 Milyar

teknikal suka dilawan bandar...dan mudah bagi bandar untuk mempermainkan
teknikal harian...

mendingan pake fundamental aja, asalkan pondasi kuat, biar terkena badai dan
gempa, akan tetap kuat

seperti kata pepatah : cen jin bu pha huo (emas murni tidak takut api)

emas murni biar dibakar oleh api, tetep aja emas... ^^

 

-Original Message-
From: jsx_consultant [mailto:jsx- consultant@ centrin.net. id]
Sent: 10 Juli 2007 13:31
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Pak Sudes, ANTM, INCO, TINSRe: IRC akan beri
nilai tambah USD 8 Milyar

Pak Sudes, anda sudah lama engga kirim grafik tehnikal. Seringnya
sekarang anda mengirim analisa fundamental.

Bagaimana tehnikal untuk saham GACOAN anda yaitu ANTM, INCO 
dan TINS ?

--- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups. com, "Sudeswanto" 
 wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
> IQP, (10/7) - Rencana pembentukan perusahaan induk 
pertambangan (Indonesian
> Resources Company--IRC) diperkirakan akan menimbulkan nilai tambah 
sebesar
> US$8
> miliar.Menneg BUMN Sofyan A. Djalil mengatakan selasa melalui 
penambahan
> nilai
> tambah ini, perusahaan induk pertambangan tersebut mempunyai 
kapasitas
> berutang
> sebesar US$10 miliar."Nantinya perusahaan ini akan sebesar ISP 
Bretton dan
> akan
> mampu menggelar akuisisi perusahaan pertambangan, " ujarnya.Dia 
menuturkan
> terdapat
> empat perusahaan pertambangan yang telah dipastikan masuk dalam 
IRC, yaitu
> PT
> Aneka Tambang Tbk, PT Tambang Batubara Bukit Asam Tbk, PT Tambang 
Timah Tbk,
> dan
> PT Freeport Indonesia.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
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> (http://samsudesyang .blogs.friendste r.com/sudeswanto /
 )
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: My favorite posting

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Ada 2 lagi favorite posting yaitu posting-posting TA dari Angelo Michel 
dan Tasrul



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Soeratman Doerachman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Saya pembaca setia obrolan bandar.Tapi rasanya tidak mungkin membaca 
> ratusan posting setiap hari yang masuk milis ini.
> 
> Maka saya pilih posting-posting yang favorit saja diantaranya adalah 
> dari mBah, FS, Oentoeng, Sudes, Aria dan Eka.
> 
> Kalau yang lain saya lihat dulu subjectnya.
>

[obrolan-bandar] My favorite posting

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Saya pembaca setia obrolan bandar.Tapi rasanya tidak mungkin membaca 
ratusan posting setiap hari yang masuk milis ini.

Maka saya pilih posting-posting yang favorit saja diantaranya adalah 
dari mBah, FS, Oentoeng, Sudes, Aria dan Eka.

Kalau yang lain saya lihat dulu subjectnya.

[obrolan-bandar] Pak Sudes, ANTM, INCO, TINS....Re: IRC akan beri nilai tambah USD 8 Milyar

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Dear mBah

Itulah yang saya suka pada Sudes. FA ok, TA ok. Seperti dia selalu 
jelaskan pada diskusi-diskusi  waktu diadakan copy darat dengan dia. 
Caranya sangat komprehensif sekali dan semua kelihatan objective 
sekali.







--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
>
> Pak Sudes, anda sudah lama engga kirim grafik tehnikal. Seringnya
> sekarang anda mengirim analisa fundamental.
> 
> Bagaimana tehnikal untuk saham GACOAN anda yaitu ANTM, INCO 
> dan TINS ?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Sudeswanto" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > IQP, (10/7) - Rencana pembentukan perusahaan induk 
> pertambangan (Indonesian
> > Resources Company--IRC) diperkirakan akan menimbulkan nilai 
tambah 
> sebesar
> > US$8
> > miliar.Menneg BUMN Sofyan A. Djalil mengatakan selasa melalui 
> penambahan
> > nilai
> > tambah ini, perusahaan induk pertambangan tersebut mempunyai 
> kapasitas
> > berutang
> > sebesar US$10 miliar."Nantinya perusahaan ini akan sebesar ISP 
> Bretton dan
> > akan
> > mampu menggelar akuisisi perusahaan pertambangan," ujarnya.Dia 
> menuturkan
> > terdapat
> > empat perusahaan pertambangan yang telah dipastikan masuk dalam 
> IRC, yaitu
> > PT
> > Aneka Tambang Tbk, PT Tambang Batubara Bukit Asam Tbk, PT Tambang 
> Timah Tbk,
> > dan
> > PT Freeport Indonesia.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > SAMUEL SUDESWANTO YEUNG
> > (http://samsudesyang.blogs.friendster.com/sudeswanto/)
> > RESEARCH DEPARTMENT
> > 
> > PT SINARMAS SEKURITAS
> > GEDUNG PLAZA BII MENARA III
> > Jl.M.H.Thamrin No.51
> > Telp: 62-21-3925550 ext.159
> > Fax : 62-21-3925579
> > 
> > DISCLAIMER :
> > This material is issued by PT Sinarmas Sekuritas, a member of the 
> Jakarta
> > and Surabaya Stock Exchanges, represent the opinion of PT Sinarmas
> > Sekuritas, derived its judgement from sources deemed reliable, 
> however, PT
> > Sinarmas Sekuritas and its affiliated cannot guarantee its 
accuracy 
> and
> > completeness. PT Sinarmas Sekuritas or its affiliates may be 
> involved in
> > transactions contrary to any opinion herein or have positions in 
the
> > securities recommended herein and may seek or will seek 
investment 
> banking
> > or other business relationships with the companies in this 
> material. PT
> > Sinarmas Sekuritas, its employees and its affiliates, expressly 
> disclaim any
> > and all liability for representation or warranties, expressed or 
> implied,
> > here in or omission there from or for any loss how so ever 
arising 
> from any
> > use of this material or its contents or otherwise arising in 
> connection
> > there with. Opinion expressed in this material are our present 
view 
> and are
> > subject to change without notice.
> > 
> > GOD BLESS YOU
> >
>

[obrolan-bandar] Berita bahagia ttgi TMPI

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Disamping berita-berita sedih ternyata terselip juga berita bahagia tentang
TMPI seperti ceritera email dibawah ini.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Yayat Daradjat
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BULK] [junior_Trader] Terima Kasih Eyang Terima kasih Vibby
Importance: Low

 

Berikut pegalaman saya sebagai alumni Kursus Candlestick Junior Trader:

   Melihat sepak terjang TMPI pada awalmya maka saya pertaruhkan
seluruh modal saya di harga Rp2040,- ,   kemudian disaat harga mencapai
Rp.4650,- saya perintahkan kepada 2 pialang saya di 2 sekuritas untuk jual
di harga Rp.4600,-,
   Tapi dua-duanya pada ngotot untuk melarang jual di harga tsb
karena katanya menurut rumor harganya akan dinaikin ke Rp6000,-.
   Tapi saya lebih ngotot lagi untuk jual dengan alasan bahwa
saya adalah benar benar alumni Kursus Candlestick Junior  Trader dan salah
satu nasihat Eyang dan Vibby selalu terngiang-ngiang ditelinga saya:

" Bila suatu saham telah mengalami bulish tiga hari ber turut-turut dengan
candlestick yang panjang maka HATI-HATI  dengan koreksi" 

Kursus Candlestick Junior Trader benar benar memberi bonus
kepada saya untuk berlibur Ke Australia beserta keluarga.

Teima kasih Eyang Terima kasih Vibby.

Yang sedang berlibur

Daradjat

   

  

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  Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. 

 

   

 

[obrolan-bandar] Petunjuk untuk J-Club Trader - Maaf petunjuk ini bukan untuk investor.

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Petunujuk-petunjukini sebenarnya petunjuk yang sudah usang(klise) akan
tetapi banyak yang melupakannya

 

DO YOUR HOMEWORK - KERJAKAN PR ANDA sebelum transaksi sehari sebelumnya.
Teliti sebelum membeli

 

*   Siapkan krtieria-kriteria anda mengambil keputusan buy/sell misalnya
dengan:

*   Mencari saham yang breakout harga/volumenya baik terhadap
konsolidasi maupun terhadap harga tertinggi sepanjang masanya (all the time
high)
*   Saham-saham yang berada/mendekati garis support/resistance
*   Indikator/Oscillator yang menunjukan buy/sell signal seperi
Stochastics, MACD, RSI atau MA
*   Dll sesuai sistim yg anda miliki

 

* Untuk memudahkan dan cepat mencarinya pakailah Metastock. Dalam
hitungan detik anda bisa mencari saham-saham yang memenuhi criteria anda
tesebut diata

* Jika anda telah mendapatkan beberapa saham dengan cara diatas maka
laksanakan hal sebagai berikut:

*   Diantara saham tersebut pilih saham apa saja yang sedang berada
dalam sektor terbaik pada saat ini
*   Kalau anda menemukan beberapa saham dalam satu sektor yang terbaik
pilihlah saham yg keadaanya paling bagus
*   Usahakan jangan memilih saham dari satu sektor saja melainkan pilih
juga saham-saham yang sedang berada dalam sektor unggulan lainnya
*   Pilih maksimum 5 saham dari saham-saham yang memenuhi syarat.
Memilih lebih dari 5 saham akan sukar untuk memonitornya
*   Khusus untuk saham gorengan selalu gunakan cara anda yg telah teruji
keberhasilannya.

 

*   Jika sudah memilih segera tentukan:

*   Di harga berapa anda akan membeli saham-saham tersebut
*   Di harga berapa anda akan melakukan cut loss seandainya harga tidak
sesuai dengan kehendak anda atau melawan anda
*   Tentukan target di harga berapa anda akan take profit
*   Target profit hendaknya selalu lebih tinggi dari rencana cut loss

 

*   Jika target profit anda sudah tercapai, biasanya anda bingung mau
take profit atau tidak. Takut harga akan naik terus. Untuk mengatasi
kebingungan anda coba lakukan hal-hal sebagai berikut:

*   Kalau anda belum hendak take profit l pasanglah trailing stop untuk
melindungi keuntungan yang anda telah capai.
*   Atau anda jual separonya dulu. Dalam keadaan ini anda akan untung
terus. Jika harga naik maka anda bisa mengatakan"untung baru dijual separo"
sebaliknya jika harga turun anda juga dapat mengatakan "untung sudah dijual
separo". Jangan lupa memasang juga trailing stop.
*   Khusus untu take profit saham gorengan "do not be greedy". Jual
seluruhnya jika target profit anda telah tercapai. Jangan biarkan untung
menjadi buntung. Gampang, kalau ada kesempatan ambil lagi.

 

 

Saran saya: jangan sekali-kali anda melakukan transaksi sebelum membuat
langkah-langkah tersebut diatas.

 

Langkah-langkah tersebut diatas akan sangat bermnfaat untuk membuat anda
disiplin dan mengendalikan emosi. Ingat, dalam trading yang palin penting
adalah disiplin dan pengendalian emosi.

 

Jika telah mengerjakan hal-hal tersebut diatas, percayalah jika anda
mengikuti perencanaan transaksi seperti apa yang anda buat, maka anda tidak
akan bingung atau terombang-ambing menghadapi apapun yang terjadi setelah
pembelian anda laksanakan.

 

Walaupun demikian cut loss, trailing stop atau stop loss bisa saja tidak
dapat membantu anda seperti   terjadi pada beberapa kasus   yaitu di PGAS
dan TMPI. Akan tetapi harus anda hadapi kenyataan yang demikian karena
memang pasar modal kadang-kadang menjadi RIMBA YANG KEJAM dimana banyak
binatang buas didalamnya. Kiat untuk menghadapinya tiada lain adalah
"bagaimana anda bisa berada dalam rimba yng penuh dengan harta karun ini
tanpa harus dimakan hidup-hidup oleh binatang-binatang buas yang berada
disekitar anda" (Terjemahan bebas dari "How to Swim Among the Sharks without
Being Eaten Alive")

 

Mengakhiri posting saya harus selalu diingat bahwa bisnis di pasar modal
adalah sangat menjanjikan dan karena itulah kita berada dialamnya.

 

HAPPY TRADING

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

[obrolan-bandar] Trading Tip - Breakout

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Setiap breakout memberikan kesempatan sama mulai dari saham bluechip sampai
dengan gorengan

 

Tunggu benar-benar titik breakoutnya (tentu saja dengan mengerjakan PR anda)

Alangkah baiknya mengintip satu atau dua point saham-saham sebelum mencapai
harga brekoutnya.

Untuk memberikan signal saham mencapai titik breakoutnya beberapa sistem On
Line ada fasilitas alarmnya.

Saham breakout dapat dicari dengan menggunakan Metastock hanya tentu saja
akan telat karena Metastock yang ada di Ii Indonesia kebanyakan datanya
masih End of the day

Hari kedua setelah breakout biasanya masih ada kesempatan.

Hati-hati jika mencapai hari ketiga atau keempat. Para trader yang beli 3-4
hari sebelumnya biasanya melakukan take profit.

Jangan lupa lihat juga volumenya pada waktu breakout.

 

Coba perhatikan dari puluhan breakout saham gorengan (CNKO, BTEK, MITI dll)
dan lainnya sepert ANTM, BMTR dll

 

 

 

[obrolan-bandar] GLOBAL MARKETS-Stocks, Treasuries dip on data, China warning

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Memang si orang tua Alan Greenspan ini omongannya ampuh juga

By Lincoln Feast 

LONDON, May 24 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury prices dipped on Thursday after
mixed U.S. economic data gave no firm evidence of the need for interest rate
cuts, while global stocks fell following a warning about the overheated
China market. 

Oil prices rose to a nine-month high above $71 a barrel on concerns about
supplies from Iran and U.S. stock futures were pointing to a softer start on
Wall Street. 

Orders for U.S. durable goods rose 0.6 percent in April, below the 1.0
percent rise expected by analysts, although forecasts ranged from -2.0 to
+3.1 percent. 

Separate data showed U.S. jobless claims rose by a higher than expected
15,000 last week but the four-week average, which smoothes out weekly
variations for a clearer picture of trends in the job market, fell to its
lowest level in more than a year. 

Much recent U.S. data has been stronger than forecast, prompting markets to
scale back expectations of interest rate cuts from the U.S. Federal Reserve.


"The headline obviously is a bit softer but the back revisions to the March
numbers and the core numbers were not so bad," Shaun Osborne, senior
currency strategist at TD Securities said of the durable goods figures

We have seen a big shift in Fed interest rate cut expectations, so any
movement that supports that will be good for the dollar." 

The dollar was trading at $1.3440 per euro , up almost 0.2 percent on
the day, and was buying 121.49 yen  down from a three-month high of
121.88 hit the previous day. 

Treasuries gave up initial gains and turned lower, with the yield on
benchmark 10-year notes  rising to 4.86 percent. 

Closely watched U.S. new home sales data follows at 1400 GMT. 

STOCKS SLIDE 

European and Asian stocks retreated from multi-year or record highs after
comments on Wednesday from former U.S. Federal Reserve chairman Alan
Greenspan that he expects a "dramatic contraction" in booming Chinese
shares. 

Greenspan told a teleconference in Madrid that the recent boom in Chinese
stocks was "clearly unsustainable".
 Continued... 

The remarks by the former Fed chief -- who warned investors against
"irrational exuberance" more than three years before the dotcom bubble
finally burst -- added to fears a sharp correction in Chinese shares could
spill over into other markets. 

"I think (Greenspan's) absolutely right ... People are concerned about
what's happened in China, and that the market has gone ballistic, and no
doubt there will be a correction of some sort," said Brewin Dolphin chief
strategist Mike Lenhoff. 

"But the corrections that we've seen thus far have proved to be buying
opportunities, and each time there has been a correction it's been left
behind in the dust by investors who want to pile in and drive the market
even higher." 

Europe's FTSEurofirst 300 <.FTEU3> backed away from a six-and-a-half year
peak the previous session, and was down 0.3 percent at 1,604 points. 

The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index <.SSEC> closed a modest 0.5 percent
lower, but is still up 55 percent so far this year and up 278 percent in the
past two years. 

Tokyo's Nikkei <.N225> eased 0.1 percent, while MSCI's All-Country World
index <.MIWD0PUS> eased 0.3 percent from Thursday's all-time high. 

CRUDE RISES ON IRAN WORRIES 

Higher energy prices also took their toll on stocks, with London Brent crude
 up 59 cents to $71.19, having hit a nine-month high of $71.42
earlier in the session.
 Continued

opened the way for tougher sanctions against Iran, the world's fourth
biggest crude exporter. 

Among other commodities, copper rose 2.2 percent in Shanghai, supported by
signs of supply shortfalls but strength in the dollar weighed on gold
. 

Euro zone government bonds rallied from multi-year lows, boosted by the
weaker stock sentiment and weaker than expected business confidence numbers
from the region's three largest economies. [ID:nL24287615] 

The June Bund future  was 7 ticks higher at 112.51, having hit a
contract low of 112.32 on Wednesday, while the yield on 10-year Bunds
 eased to 4.366 percent.

 

 

 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Power of CHARITY

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Pak Oentoeng

 

Posting Bpk ini sangat inspiring bagi saya. Isinya sangat logic sekali.

Siapapun yang berbisnis di dunia trading tentu tujuannya adalah gain.

Mereka yang tidak mempersiapkan dirinya justru akan memperoleh kebalikannya.

Sebagai individual trader tentu sebaiknya harus mengerti atau at least
memperkirakan bagaimana para bandar bermain sehingga dapat terhindar dari
resiko-resikonya jika ingin ikut nimbrung dalam permainan mereka (bandar)
dan semua itu memang tidak ada dalam FA atau TA seperti Pak Oen katakan.

Hanya dari apa yang pak Oentoeng ceriterakan saya menganggap sebenarnya para
individual trader yang tekun tentunya dapat mempelajari apa yang selam ini
dilakukan oleh para bandar karena jika tidak demikian sebaiknya mereka tidak
usah"join the party" daripadaakhirnya mereka hanya akan menjadi
santapan yang lezat dari party yang sedang digelar oleh para bandar ini.

 

Dua kali saya bertemu dengan bapak  di Surabaya dan I learn a lot from you.
Dan saya kagum terhadap Bapak karena Bapak mau berbagi. Menjadi suatu
keinginan saya untuk dapat bertemu dengan Bapak lagi dan belajar dari Bapak.
Learning is Never Ending Process. 

 

 

  _  

From: oentoeng_q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:36 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Power of CHARITY

 


Falsafah yg anda tunjukkan bagus sekali pak Bello memang SEDEKAH itu 
PENTING.
Lebih penting sekarang adalah APLIKASI-nya terutama dlm dunia 
perbandaran.
Begini menurut SAYA...

Misal anda BD kelas 1M anda harusnya bersedia SEDEKAH/MAU berbagi 
CUAN sebesar 500JT dg 100 org LAINNYA.
Mestinya kalau anda BD kelas 10M anda juga MAU sedekah sebesar 5M 
terhadap 1000 org JUGA.
Demikian seterusnya...

Maksudnya SAAT BD sedang menggoreng PASTI juga ada orang lain yang 
CUAN, dan yg LEBIH PASTI ada juga yg RUGI.
CUAN mereka bisa muncul dari macem2; kayak short term/day TRADER yg 
rugi, atau long term INVESTOR yg baru ambil POSISI...

PERMASALAHAN

1.Sekarang KALAU anda TIDAK MAU SEDEKAH terhadap orang lain? 
Pertanyaannya bagaimana anda bisa MENJUAL barang anda SENILAI 10M?
Padahal yg ada di pasar cuman ada 100 orang, itupun kemampuannya 
HANYA menyerap 500JT???

2.Sekarang KALAU anda BD kelas 10M SUDAH MAU SEDEKAH 5M...
TAPI hanya untuk BEBERAPA orang SAJA ini juga MASALAH!
Bisa jadi ITU hanya kepada 1 ORANG atau 1 GEROMBOLAN.
Dikaitkan contoh di atas, berarti DIA atau MEREKA mempunyai kekuatan 
SEBANDING atau bisa jadi MELEBIHI kekuatan anda.
Artinya HAJATAN anda BERPOTENSI BERANTAKAN...
Bisa dari sisi CUAN maupun ACARA...

Khusus untuk kasus 2, disinilah kalau KITA menempati POSISI sbg BD 
TULEN mereka itu HARUS DIHAJARRR!
Alasannya sudah pernah saya ulas dalam Bandarisme Business...

Yang jelas masih banyak hal TEKNIS lainnya kalau diperpanjang menjadi 
BERTELE-TELE dan membosankan.

Yang penting bagi saya adalah BD itu MAU SEDEKAH karena ADA MAUNYA...
Itu adalah PRINSIP, kata orang yg lg kursus tingkatnya adalah BASIC.
Padahal kalangan tertentu menganggap kalau itu adalah PEMAHAMAN level 
TINGGI dalam perbandaran.

INTI-nya SEDEKAH itu adalah TEKNIK MEMANCING TRADER/INVESTOR dan ada 
ILMU-nya!
Dan ilmu tersebut nggak ada "kurikulumnya" di KURSUS TA maupun FA.
Mungkin ada yg berpikir SIMPLE bikin atau keluarin aja GOOD NEWS...
Yg jelas menurut saya BD harus mau BERSEDEKAH...

Nah utk FAKTA adalah salah seorang trader senior yg saya hormati di 
sini kata temennya; mendapat GAIN sampe 2M di TMPI. Seingat saya 
beliau sudah mulai main sejak harga 100-200an PERAK kalau tidak 
salah...
Beliau merupakan salah satu TRADER yg TERPILIH oleh BD utk mendapat 
CHARITY.
Yang penting dari situ kita khan bisa ngira2 CUANNYA BD TMPI BERAPA???

Nah utk perbandingan, dikaitkan banyak orang bicara saham PENNY 
STOCKS saya tahu MAMI dikerjain secara PERSONAL lain dg saham2 kayak 
MITI, CNKO, dll...itu adalah kerjaan KONSORSIUM.
Secara pribadi beliau KEMARIN dapet sekitar 400JT dlm seminggu dari 
saham MAMI!?
Kalau ada pihak lain yg nge-KLAIM dia dapet cuan lebih GEDHE drpd 
beliau silahkan KEBERATAN...berarti anda adalah BD yg lebih TULEN 
Hehehe...

Note: Buat yg masih bingung dengan penjelasan di atas sederhananya 
saya cuman pengen ngomong; Kalau mau MANCING seyogyanya pake UMPAN yg 
GEDHE biar HASILnya juga GEDHE.
Asal JANGAN MANCING MASALAH...
Hahahaha...

Oentoeng

Provokator Saham

 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] SHARING 6 DARI PAK ADI CHANDRA untuk para milis.

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Sebetulnya kita tinggal memilih. Apakah kita akan hidup di negara yang penuh
aturan tapi tertib, teratur, aman dan nyaman ataukah di negara bebas akan
tetapi amburadul.

Ada beberapa contoh:

 

1.  Amerika adalah negara bebas sebebas-bebasnya tapi aturan lalu lintas
ditaati, orang antri dengan tertib.
2.  Di Sinagapura aturan serba ketat. Meludah sembaranganpun kita di
denda tapi rakyatnya hidup dengan teratur dan nyaman
3.  Di negara kita bebas-sebebasnya sehingga dengan santai kita dapat
melanggar rambu-rambu lalu lintas yang dapat membahayakan diri sendiri
maupun orang lain.

 

Kalau milis ini milis sebebas-bebasnya maka konsekwensinya apakah situasi no
1 ataukah no 3 yang akan kita alami? Harus diingat bahwa kita hidup di
Indonesia dan bukan di Amerika.

 

Jadi permasalahn yang berkaitan dengan posting-posting pak Adi maka
moderatorlah yang akan menentukan. Apakah beliau akan memilih no 1 atau no 3
dan tentunya kita sebagi member harus  respect terhadap segala ketentuan
yang diterapkan oleh moderator apapun aturannya.

 

  _  

From: Ari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:08 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SHARING 6 DARI PAK ADI CHANDRA untuk para
milis.

 

Apakah Yg namanya SALES dimana2 begitu?, digiring dulu, baru ditangkap.
Mankin ditanggapin makin seneng. 
Bagaimanapun, Ini suatu keberhasilan yg sedikit bagi Pak Adi, karena banyak
yg memperdebatkan dan yg penasaran

ga ada Pak Adi Chandra ga rame. 

BRAVO PAK ADI CHANDRA, SMG SUKSES PERJUANGANNYA MENCARI REJEKI DI MILIS INI.

-Original Message-
From: "Anak Bawang"mailto:antoniusharyadi%40bdg.centrin.net.id> bdg.centrin.net.id>
Sent: 5/18/07 8:04:22 PM
To: "obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com"mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SHARING 6 DARI PAK ADI CHANDRA untuk para
milis.

Maaf saya ikut nimbrung. Padahal saya berusaha untuk tak acuh tapi terasa
udah mulai mengganggu konsentrasi.

Case : Pa Adi Chandra tidak "mengetuk pintu" dan "permisi masuk" ke sebuah
milis dengan cara yg sopan. Pa Adi masuk ke milis dengan cara
petantang-petenteng. Hal ini menimbulkan antipati dari banyak anggota milis.
Meskipun Pa Adi berusaha untuk meluruskan namun dirasakan hal tsb tidak
keluar dari hati yg jujur, tapi lebih banyak bohongnya, antipati makin
menjadi. 

Saran untuk Pa Adi ...apabila hendak "masuk rumah orang", lakukanlah dengan
sopan, pasti hasilnya lain .Apabila udah terlanjur ..akui kesalahan dan
minta maaflah dengan tulus .. bukan "maaf tapi gue ngga salah"  atau Pa
Adi dapat membuat milis sendiri dimana anggotanya dapat sejalan dengan cara
Pa Adi sehingga Pa Adi dapat "menjual" ilmunya namun tidak ada yg terganggu
dengan hal tsb.

Salam dari Anak Bawang 

- Original Message - 
From: Halim Mintareja 
To: obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SHARING 6 DARI PAK ADI CHANDRA untuk para
milis.


Oei...

please mbah... di band aja orang ini..

bikin sakit perut karena ketawa... cuman sayang.. bandwith bisa abis
gara-gara orang satu ini..
ha.ha..h.a

apalagi kalau mister Oentoeng yang pernah bertarung ria di medan LQ-45 baca
ini... bisa ketawa sakit perut dia...
Lihat bid over-nya udah tahu susah menang... belum lagi kalau model UNVR dan
BDMN dipakai...


Wah... salut deh kalau ada yang bisa ciptakan formula untuk bisa coan di
LQ-45..ha..ha


Udah deh, di band aja... tulisannya semakin nga-karuan

Buat pak Adi... kalau promosi lihat medan dulu dong... masa LQ-45 mau dibuat
cari duit. bid-over seperti itu suruh orang main LQ-45

ha.h.a

On 5/18/07, adi chandragold mailto:adichandragold%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: 

Salam Damai Selalu,

Terima kasih atas semua emailnya yang membuat saya tertawa geli karena
macam2 tanggapannya. Sekali lagi saya ucapkan terima kasih. 
Saya akan beri masukkan sbb ; 
1. Saya ada di milis ini untuk memberi pencerahan bagi mereka yang mau
menerimanya dengan senang hati. Pencerahan yang saya berikan berguna untuk
mencapai trading 2 arah yaitu di LQ 45. Jadi saya tidak akan berhenti
sebelum para investor sudah mampu trading sendiri di LQ 45. Karena pada
waktu market BEARISH hanya LQ45 yang bisa memberi keuntungan secara terus
menerus. Jadi belajarlah sampai tingkatan MASTER, ditingkatan ini diajarkan
membaca IHSG secara mendalam sampai bisa membaca LQ 45. 
2. Bila para milis menyimak tulisan saya dari awal , pembelajaran saya ada
beberapa tingkat dan sekarang saya akan cantumkan biayanya ; 
a. BASIC ; mempercayai bahwa Bandar itu ada dan menggerakkan market secara
bebas
Biayanya ; RP 200.000,-
b. ADVANCE ; belajar rahasia bandar saham dalam trading sehari2 dan
mengikuti pola 
Bandar supaya selamat dalam trading. Dibimbing sampai bisa.
Biayanya ; RP 2.000.000,-
c. MASTER ; belajar indeks IHSG sampai akhirnya bisa me

[obrolan-bandar] RE: [junior_Trader] FW: FREN

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Wah Srul

 

Bukan dari 300 tapi dari 265. Hasil cari/ikut  jejak bandar. Nggak rugi
masuk pramuka dulu

 

  _  

From: Tasrul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [junior_Trader] FW: FREN

 

Apa ada yg banyak cuan dari 300 ke 315 hari ini ?...selamat

 

 

 

Tasrul

Research Analyst

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

  _  

From: Tasrul 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
To: 'obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: FREN

 

 

FYI..

 

 

Tasrul

Research Analyst

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] FREN

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Follow the Bandar

Do not against them.

Technical represent gerakan bandar.

Seperti mBah tuh bagaimana caranya beliau menganalisa TLKM. Pakai Chart kan?

Demikian juga saya mengikuti FREN. Saya mencoba diri saya menghindar dari
hiruk pikuk rumor.

Yang saya ikuti adalah fakta yaitu gerakan bandar   through price and volume
chart. Apakah mereka sdg accumulate atau distribute, terutama bagi
saham-saham yang sedang bobo. Apalagi kalau saham bobo ini diikuti oleh Last
Fundamental Report  yg bagus. Disamping FREN contohnya ASGR tuh.

Ingat bandar juga pasti mengikuti kinerja emiten and they are smarter than
us. They have fund to get up to date information far before we realize it.
Jadi sekali lagi, IKUTI JEJAK BANDAR. Jangan sok melawan bandar nanti
kualat. Bandar hanya bisa dilawan oleh bandar bukan oleh individual seperti
kita2.

 

Kalau kita rajin, jejak bandar bisa diikuti dari kamar tidur kita sejak
mulai dia bergerak. Kuncinya sekali lagi yaitu kata RAJIN which means do
your homework. Kerjakan PR anda.

 

Tapi hati-hati. Bagaimanapun fundamentalnya bagus, jika profit target anda
tlh  tercapai cepat-cepat buang. Lebih baik profitnya kurang daripada untung
jadi buntung karena diguyur take profit bandar yg sudah accumulate ratusan
ribu lot dan anda nggak sempat menyelamatkan diri.

 

 

  _  

From: cuan Trader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:15 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] FREN

 

pak, secr teknikal apkah kenaikan akan berlanjut? kayaknya sdg ada skenario
bd tuh... ditahan dulu dioffer drtd!

commentnya dong pak senior...

 

2007/5/16, Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
id>: 

Saya kan sudah bilang dari sejak FREN 265. Ikuti jejak bandarnya

Secara Teknikal sebagian jejak bandar dapt diketahui

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer 

http://www.j- <http://www.j-/> club.biz <http://club.biz/> 

 

 

 

[obrolan-bandar] FREN

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Saya kan sudah bilang dari sejak FREN 265. Ikuti jejak bandarnya

Secara Teknikal sebagian jejak bandar dapt diketahui

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] SMCB

[Soeratman Doerachman]

SMCB fundamentalnya bagus? Saya kurang sependapat terutama jika kita melihat
kinerja laba rugi perusahaannya.

Sebainya kita bicara fakta dan asumsi

Terlampir P&L SMCB yg saya kutip dari RTI. Nggak tau ya kalo RTI ngibul,
tapi rasanyasih nggak deh.

Saya sependapat dengan Arifin kalau untuk trading sih saham apa saja layak
ditransaksikan selama momentum buy/sell signalnya ada. Nggak peduli bluechip
atau kacangan.

 

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From: James Arifin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 8:29 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SMCB

 

SMCB lebih layak ditrading daripada di buy and hold, kalau mau buy and hold
saham ini rekomendasi saya adalah buy saat market crash dan hold sesukanya
sampai kapan. Saham ini bukan untuk Darvasers untuk saat ini. Malah saya
selalu punya historical memory yang bagus dengan pergerakan SMCB dan
implikasinya ke pergerakan market. Cuma dari ROI saham ini menurut saya
nggak menarik, lebih bagus saham2 bluechip yang dalam satu tahun bisa kasih
ROI di atas 100%. Tapi pekerjaan ini seperti mencari mutiara di dasar laut
atau jarum di tumpukan jerami, tapi itulah tugas kita untuk mencarinya. It's
worthed for the effort. 

On 5/12/07, aris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  com> wrote: 

kalau menurut saya, justru smcb ini sangat layak dikoleksi terutama untuk
long term investor. fundamental perusahaan ini cukup bagus, dan sudah
berhasil mengatasi masa-masa kritis karena kebanyakan utang beberapa tahun
yang lalu. mulai tahun ini kayaknya performance smcb akan semakin moncer. 

 

dan kalau dilihat2, perusahaan dengan manajemen asing di bej,
performance-nya sangat bagus secara fundamental. management style-nya pun
lebih prudent dan trasparan. bandar mereka pun lebih logic dan tidak main
embat naik turun nggak keruan. jadi membeli saham smcb relatif aman secara
longterm akan lebih aman.selain itu, 

 

buat yang suka nguber-nguber bandar asing, saham smcb mayoritas juga
dipegang asing (holcim dan foreign fund).

 

historisnya, bila kita beli smcb setahun yang lalu cuma 550, dan sekarang
udah berkisar di 750. jadi udah untung 36% setahun. belum lagi kalau beli di
akhir 2002/awal 2003 harganya cuman 140, sekarang uang kita sudah 4 kali
lipat. 

 

salam -

 

2007/5/12, James Arifin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
gmail.com>: 

nggak layak, alasannya lihat historicalnya

On 5/12/07, highwaystar91 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
yahoo.com > wrote: 

Rekan2, ada yang bisa kasih pendapat ttg smcb? Layak dikoleksi? Trims.

 




-- 
=== 
Se queremos progredir, não devemos repetir a história, mas fazer uma
história nova. 

If we want to progress, we do not have to repeat history, but to make a new
history. 

 

 



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[obrolan-bandar] Regional Senin Pagi

[Soeratman Doerachman]

DOW Jum'at minggu lalu ditutup IJO TEBEL



Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Jual dulu FREN..

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Nggak ada yang suruh beli

Yang ada kan saran mengamati

Beda kan antara mengamati dengan nyuruh. Kalau mengamati kan cukup melihat
he3x

 

Menyuruh = BUY

Mengamati = Watch

 

  _  

From: Dean Earwicker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:14 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Jual dulu FREN..

 

Ngapain megang saham bengong. yang lebih sexy kan banyak...

 

Kalo sudah hampir mendekati harga IPO (380), baru boleh deh dikumpulin. 

 

[obrolan-bandar] Regional - Opening Session

[Soeratman Doerachman]

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

<>

[obrolan-bandar] Mempersiapkan diri untuk masa depan putra putri anda?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Khusus untuk pasangan muda yang memiliki putra-putri yang masih kecil dan
ingin menyiapkan dana pendidikan untuk masuk SMA atau perguruan tinggi:

 

*   Siapkan dana Rp5 jt - Rp 10 jt untuk setiap anak.
*   Pilih saham untuk disimpan minimum 10 tahun
*   Pilih saham-saham yang memenuhi syarat yang kemungkinannya sangat
besar sekali terus naik dalam masa 10 tahun
*   Sabar untuk tidak mencairkan saham tersebut jika sudah naik dalam
beberapa tahun Tetap pada disiplin bahwa anda hanya akan mencairkan jika
dana telah diperlukan putra-putri anda untuk pendidikannya sesuai waktu yang
telah ditentukan sebelumnya.

 

Cara memilih saham? Mari kita bahas bersama dalam Studi Klub Kelapa Gading
tgl 16 Mei 2007. Kita akan bahas/diskusikan bersama kriteria-kriteria saham
yang memenuhi syarat untuk disimpan selama 10 tahun.

 

Apa yang anda harapkan dengan menyimpan dana pendidikan putra-putri anda di
tabungan/deposito sementara hasil dari cara investasi tersebut hanya dapat
menutup inflasi sedangkan biaya pendidikan naiknya jauh diatas inflasi?

 

Usahakan masa depan yang cerah menjadi milik putra-putri anda.

 

 

Pertemuan Free of  Charge kecuali makan/minum bayar sendiri2

 

Ini bukan iklan tipu daya untuk menjambret uang anda karena saham yang anda
pilih dan beli tetap berada ditangan anda sendiri.

 

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

[obrolan-bandar] Mempersiapkan diri untuk masa depan putra putri anda?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Khusus untuk pasangan muda yang memiliki putra-putri yang masih kecil dan
ingin menyiapkan dana pendidikan untuk masuk SMA atau perguruan tinggi:

 

*   Siapkan dana Rp5 jt - Rp 10 jt untuk setiap anak.
*   Pilih saham untuk disimpan minimum 10 tahun
*   Pilih saham-saham yang memenuhi syarat yang kemungkinannya sangat
besar sekali terus naik dalam masa 10 tahun
*   Sabar untuk tidak mencairkan saham tersebut jika sudah naik dalam
beberapa tahun Tetap pada disiplin bahwa anda hanya akan mencairkan jika
dana telah diperlukan putra-putri anda untuk pendidikannya sesuai waktu yang
telah ditentukan sebelumnya.

 

Cara memilih saham? Mari kita bahas bersama dalam Studi Klub Kelapa Gading
tgl 15 Mei 2007. Kita akan bahas/diskusikan bersama kriteria-kriteria saham
yang memenuhi syarat untuk disimpan selama 10 tahun.

 

Apa yang anda harapkan dengan menyimpan dana pendidikan putra-putri anda di
tabungan/deposito sementara hasil dari cara investasi tersebut hanya dapat
menutup inflasi sedangkan biaya pendidikan naiknya jauh diatas inflasi?

 

Usahakan masa depan yang cerah menjadi milik putra-putri anda.

 

 

Pertemuan Free of  Charge kecuali makan/minum bayar sendiri2

 

Ini bukan iklan tipu daya untuk menjambret uang anda karena saham yang anda
pilih dan beli tetap berada ditangan anda sendiri.

 

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Dear Vibby

 

And the name of the game is Swing Trading

Thank you for teaching me in that strategy. It works very well on my daily
trading activity. It makes me work less but more result.

 

Invent more. I am waiting for you new book after your Candlesticks book.

 

 

- Original Message 
From: Santo Viby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  biz>
To: obrolan-bandar@  yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:30:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell

Sebenarnya trader kaya pak James Arifin justru adalah trader yang smart
menggunakan habbits market utk bermain 2 arah dan sama2 menguntungkan. ..
dengan logika simple kita bisa liat peluang P' James untuk mendapatkan gain
di capital market sebesar 66.6% dibandingkan hanya bisa nge-long 1 arah yg
ngasih peluang cuma 33.3%

 

So no matters kondisi market kaya gimanapun, i think P'James termasuk 15%
trader yg gain profits di market dibandingkan 85% traders yg wiped out dari
market.

 

Short sell itu tidak beda dengan nge-long.. dengan faktor risk & rewards
yang sama.. kalo punya fasilitas.. why not ?? apalagi bisa nginep 1 bulan
... wuih..

 

Hanya saja di pasar kita yang punya habbits spt ini, terkadang kesannya para
shorter akan tampak seperti tokoh Antagonis hehehehe.. 

 

Just an opinions

 

SV

www.j-club.biz   

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Rei   

To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com 


Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:32 PM 

Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Short Sell 

 

Market lagi gini, jangan short2-an lah...kenapa nggak beli aja dan jualan
kalo memang mau jual di lvl lbh tinggi. Memang ada yg bisa cuan kalo sell
tadi macam inco (dari 62 ribu ke 59900) dan tins, tapi kan resiko krn
kondisi market yg bull... Ngapain cari mati...pendapat pribadi saja, mungkin
karena saya kurang ahli.   

James Arifin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
wrote: 

Rekomendasi saya bisa saja salah, contohnya ANTM hari ini balik dan harusnya
siapa saja yang short sell di bawah 14000 harus pasang cut loss di
14050-14100, sehingga implikasi dari berbaliknya market dari analisa TA
tetap terantisipasi. Next level untuk short ANTM di 15500 kalau tercapai,
silakan test short sell lagi tapi ingat stop loss dan don't be greedy kalau
sudah turun jangan ingin untung gede2 karena market overall masih bullish
dan short sell saat ini hanya untuk mengikuti pergerakan market saja ... 

 

Semoga bermanfaat.

.



 

 


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[obrolan-bandar] Bantahan Bernanke thd pendapat Alan Greenspan tidak berhasil menahan kejatuhan DOW

[Soeratman Doerachman]

AP
Bernanke: Economic Expansion Isn't Over
Wednesday March 28, 5:17 pm ET 
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer 


 

Bernanke Economic Expansion Not Running Out of Steam 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke doesn't believe the
nation will slip into a recession, rejecting the notion raised by
predecessor Alan Greenspan that the economy's expansion could be in danger
of fizzling 

 

But the good news for investors stops there

Bernanke suggested Wednesday that Wall Street jumped too far last week in
thinking that Fed policymakers had signaled interest rates might drop. That
new comment sent stocks spiraling downward. The Dow Jones industrials lost
96.93 points to close at 12,300.36. 

The Fed chief testified on Capitol Hill amid growing concerns that problems
with risky mortgages and a painful housing slump could send the economy into
a tailspin. Greenspan, who left the Fed last year, recently said there's a
one-in-three possibility of a recession this year. 

But Bernanke -- while acknowledging there are risks -- told Congress' Joint
Economic Committee that the Fed does not see such negative forces pushing
the economy into a recession. 

"I would make a point, I think, which is important, which is there seems to
be a sense that expansions die of old age, that after they reach a certain
point, then they naturally begin to end," Bernanke said. "I don't think the
evidence really supports that. If we look at history, we see that the
periods of expansions have varied considerably. Some have been quite long." 

Greenspan, in remarks that contributed to a gut-wrenching 416-point plunge
in the Dow Jones industrial average on Feb. 27, suggested the expansion, now
in its sixth year, could be in danger of petering out. 

"When you get this far away from a recession, invariably forces build up for
the next recession, and indeed we are beginning to see that sign," Greenspan
said. "For example, in the U.S., profit margins ... have begun to stabilize,
which is an early sign we are in the later stages of a cycle." 

"While, yes, it is possible we can get a recession in the latter months of
2007, most forecasters are not making that judgment and indeed are
projecting forward into 2008 ... with some slowdown," Greenspan said. In
later comments, he put the risk of a downturn this year at one-third. 

Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., said Greenspan's comments had stirred up fears.
"I think it's on a lot of people's thoughts and minds," he said. 

Bernanke said the Federal Reserve last week changed its policy statement --
which investors look to for clues about future rate moves -- to gain "a bit
more flexibility, given the uncertainties that we are facing and the risks
that are occurring on both sides of our outlook." 

There's an increased threat of higher inflation on the one hand and
weaker-than-expected economic growth on the other, he said. Those economic
crosscurrents can complicate the Fed's job. 

Last week the Fed again held a key interest rate steady at 5.25 percent. But
it dropped language contained in previous policy statements that had spoken
only of the possibility of rate increases down the road. Wall Street rallied
on that change, interpreting it as suggesting the possibility of a rate cut.


Bernanke, however, said the Fed wasn't trying to send a signal to markets
about a possible cut or increase. 

The direction of rates hinges on what incoming barometers say about the
economy and inflation, Bernanke said, echoing a point also made by his
central bank colleagues last week. 

Still, he said the Fed's predominant concern continues to be inflation. 

Bernanke stuck with the Fed's assessment that the economy is likely to grow
at a moderate pace over the coming quarters. He also repeated the belief
that inflation should ease in the months ahead, but he warned that
underlying inflation remains "uncomfortably high." 

To be sure, Bernanke was careful to hedge the Fed's economic bets. The
housing slump could turn out to be worse than expected, which could further
dampen economic growth. A job market that is producing fatter paychecks
could push up inflation. 

But some lawmakers said the Fed should be open to cutting rates. 

"Evidence of a slowing economy is building. And the concern is that the
unemployment rate will begin to rise, if slow growth continues, which argues
for easing rates," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y. 

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., chairman of the Joint Economic Committee,
weighed in: "Another reason to be open to an easing of monetary policy is
the concern that the housing market adjustment is far from over." 

Bernanke said the growing troubles in the market for risky mortgages doesn't
appear to be spreading to the overall economy. "At this juncture ... the
impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the
subprime markets seems likely to be contained," he said. 

"Subprime" lenders that make home loans to people with blemished credit
historie

[obrolan-bandar] Setelah membaca berita dibawah ini, kita tunggu DOW malam ini.

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Asian Stocks Fall on U.S. Economy Concern; Toyota, Samsung Drop 

By Chen Shiyin and Makiko Suzuki

March 28 (Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks dropped for a second day, led by
companies that sell to the U.S. after consumer confidence and home prices
declined in the region's largest export market. 

Toyota Motor Corp., which made about a third of fiscal 2006 revenue in the
U.S. and Canada, and Samsung Electronics Co. fell. 

``Automakers and technology companies rely on sales in North America so the
current uncertainty over the U.S. economy is pushing the shares lower,''
said Junichi Misawa, who oversees $655 million at STB Asset Management Co.
in Tokyo. 

Inpex Holdings Inc. and Cnooc Ltd. led energy producers higher after the oil
price rose to a six-month high. Orient Corp. jumped the most in more than
four years after shareholder Mizuho Financial Group Inc. prepared to
announce a financial aid plan. 

The Morgan Stanley Capital International Asia-Pacific Index lost 0.5 percent
to 144.55 as of 7:52 p.m. in Tokyo, following a 0.6 percent drop yesterday. 

In Japan, the Nikkei 225 Stock Average fell 0.6 percent, erasing gains of as
much as 0.5 percent, while the broader Topix index slid 0.7 percent. Tokyo
Electric Power Co. led declines in utilities after a document showed it will
delay the completion of two nuclear reactors at a plant where it had an
accident. 

All other markets fell, apart from in China. India's Sensitive Index slid
1.8 percent, the most in the region. 

U.S. stocks posted their steepest losses in two weeks as economic reports
added to concern a housing crisis will dent growth. The Standard & Poor's
500 Index slid 0.6 percent. 

Consumer Sentiment 

Toyota, Japan's largest automaker, fell 1.4 percent to 7,620 yen. Samsung
Electronics, which accounted for about 16 percent of South Korean exports
last year, slid 1.4 percent to 572,000 won. Rinker Group Ltd., the biggest
supplier of cement blocks in the U.S., lost 1.9 percent to A$17.58 in
Australia. 

The Conference Board's index of consumer confidence dropped to 107.2 this
month from 111.2 in February. Spending accounts for more than two-thirds of
the U.S. economy. Meanwhile, home values fell 0.2 percent in January from a
year earlier, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller index, a measure of home
prices in 20 U.S. metropolitan areas. The decrease was the first since the
group started the index in January 2001. 

The reports came after a day after new-home sales in the U.S. dropped 3.9
percent to an annual pace of 848,000 in February. Economists had predicted
they would rise to a 985,000 rate, according to a Bloomberg News survey. 

Bad Indicators 

``The U.S. depends hugely on spending, so if consumption is hit, so is the
whole economy,'' said Park Seh Ick, who helps manage about $1.3 billion at
Hanwha Investment Trust Management Co. in Seoul. ``I think the U.S.
indicators that we'll see in the second quarter will be quite bad.'' 

Sony Corp., the world's No. 2 maker of consumer electronics which made 70
percent of its sales overseas last year, fell 2.1 percent to 6,080 yen. Hon
Hai Precision Industry Co., the world's largest contract manufacturer,
declined 2.3 percent to NT$217. 

A measure of energy stocks gained 0.7 percent, the biggest advance among the
MSCI index's 10 industry groups. 

Inpex, Japan's largest oil producer, climbed 2.3 percent to 994,000 yen.
Cnooc, China's largest offshore oil explorer, rose 0.3 percent to HK$6.62 in
Hong Kong. 

Crude oil for May delivery rose as much as 2.4 percent to $64.46 a barrel in
after-hours trading in New York on speculation supplies from the Middle East
will be disrupted if a confrontation erupts in the Persian Gulf over the
seizure of British servicemen by Iran. Futures were recently at $64.03, the
highest for a front- running contract since September. 

Stay Strong 

``Energy-related shares may stay strong for the time being as the tension in
the Middle East is keeping oil prices high,'' said Junichi Misawa, who
oversees $655 million at STB Asset Management Co. in Tokyo. 

Japan's Orient jumped 17 percent to 160 yen, its biggest advance since
January 2003. Shareholder Mizuho, Japan's No. 2 bank by assets, will
announce a financial aid plan for Orient today, said Masako Shiono, a
spokeswoman in Tokyo. 

Acom Co., Japan's second-biggest consumer finance company, jumped 6.7
percent to 4,750 yen. Credit Saison Co., a credit card company, climbed 1.5
percent to 3,950 yen. 

Tokyo-based Orient said earlier this month it expects to post a 457.9
billion yen ($3.89 billion) net loss for the year ending March 31, citing
reserves for interest repayments and bad-loans. Hiroyuki Matsumoto, Orient's
spokesman, declined to comment today. 

Positive Effect 

``Should Mizuho make Orient a subsidiary that would have a positive effect
generally for the industry,'' said Toru Kitani, who manages $3 billion in
Japanese equities at Sompo Japan Asset Management Co. in Tokyo. 

Orient will receive a total of 75 billion y

[obrolan-bandar] Cara bandar dunia mempermainkan pasar

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Mau harga naik? Gampang. Bikin aja ketegangan dunia. Setelah itu jualan. Mau
harga turun ? Pura-pura berdamai, lalu beli lagi

Lha kulo kepiye mas? Ikut nasib.

 

 

Oil Rises a Seventh Day as Iran Conflict May Disrupt Supplies 

By Christian Schmollinger and Gavin Evans

March 28 (Bloomberg) -- Oil rose for a seventh day in New York on concern a
dispute over Iran's detention of British servicemen could escalate,
disrupting Middle East supplies. 

U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair warned yesterday of a ``different phase'' of
efforts to release the 15 sailors and marines if negotiations fail. Oil
surged on speculation that the U.K. government had attempted a rescue raid.
Prices jumped $5 in seven minutes just before 5 p.m. New York time, to
$68.09, the highest intraday price since Sept. 6. 

``It's an indication of the level of concern people have around the
possibility of a military conflict in the Middle East,'' said Andrew
Harrington, commodities analyst at Australia & New Zealand Banking Group
Ltd. in Sydney. 

Crude oil for May delivery gained as much as $1.53, or 2.4 percent, to
$64.46 a barrel in electronic after-hours trading on the New York Mercantile
Exchange. It was at $63.85 at 3:25 p.m. in Singapore. 

The contract settled at $62.93 a barrel yesterday, up 2 cents. A U.S. Energy
Department report will probably show gasoline inventories fell for a seventh
straight week. The figures will be released at 10:30 a.m. Washington time. 

``There are all these rumors because history teaches us that the U.K. has
been pretty tough in dealing with these situations,'' said Dariusz
Kowalczyk, chief investment strategist with CFC Seymour Ltd. in Hong Kong.
``If the Iranians don't back off and release the soldiers soon there could
be some operation to free them and this could have consequences.'' 

In London, Brent crude oil for May settlement climbed as much as $1.53, or
2.4 percent, to $66.13 a barrel in electronic trading on the ICE Futures
exchange. It was at $65.64 at 3:27 p.m. Singapore time. 

Gulf Exercise 

The U.S. Navy yesterday started an exercise in the Gulf involving 15
warships and more than 100 planes. The maneuvers are the largest show of
force in the Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Associated Press
reported. 

There is no U.S. military activity in the Gulf other than the previously
scheduled exercises, U.S. Navy Commander Kevin Aandahl, a spokesman for the
Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, said yesterday. 

Iran has the second-biggest proved oil reserves. Almost a quarter of the
world's oil flows through the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow waterway between
Iran and Oman at the mouth of the Persian Gulf. The surrounding region, the
Middle East, is responsible for almost a third of the world's oil output. 

Oil reached a record $78.40 a barrel on July 14 on concern Israel's attack
on Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia in Lebanon may spark a wider conflict. 

Royal Navy 

Iranian forces seized 15 Royal Navy sailors and marines in the Gulf on March
23, alleging they had crossed into its territorial waters while searching
merchant vessels. 

The dispute over their detention will be solved in a ``calm'' manner, Iran's
foreign Ministry said yesterday without specifying how long it may take. 

``We're seeing the re-emergence of that Middle Eastern premium which we've
had whenever we have some kind of conflict,'' said Jonathan Barratt,
managing director of Commodity Broking in Sydney. ``There are other
important factors including the build for the summer drive time and the
capacities of refiners in the U.S. and the utilization of these refiners.'' 

Oil prices have gained 10 percent the past two weeks as the United Nations
agreed new sanctions to stop Iran's nuclear research and gasoline futures
surged to a seven-month high as rising U.S. demand and refinery break-downs
sapped stockpiles. 

Stockpiles, Hurricanes 

An Energy Department report today will probably show U.S. gasoline
inventories fell 2 million barrels last week, the seventh straight decline,
based on the median estimate from a Bloomberg News survey of 14 analysts. 

U.S. refineries probably operated at 86.8 percent of capacity, up 0.5
percentage point from the week before, according to the survey. 

In France, workers agreed yesterday to continue a two-week old strike at the
port of Marseille that has left 51 vessels stranded outside the Fos and
Lavera oil terminals. Total SA's Feyzin refinery has cut output by about a
third, according to the company. 

``Clearly the strike is not helping because it reduces the potential for
gasoline imports to the U.S.,'' said CFC Seymour's Kowalczyk. ``We really
need an increase in U.S. capacity utilization which is not happening very
fast.'' 

Gasoline for April delivery rose 2.2 cents, or 1.1 percent, to $2.095 a
gallon in after-hours trading on Nymex. 

Gasoline Demand 

Gasoline demand in the U.S. peaks during the summer holidays starting on
Memorial Day late May and ending Labor Day early September. The Nor

RE: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM

[Soeratman Doerachman]

AlphOmega Commentary

for

ANTM on 3/23/2007

 

Open 11,600.00, Low 11,250.00, High 11,600.00, Close 11,350.00 Change
-150.00

Please note that all wave counts are for cycles from 1% to 8% amplitude!

 

   

 

The present wave patterns are:

 

iFast amplitude (1%): bullish wave 3

 

iNormal amplitude (3%): bullish wave 3

 

iSlow amplitude (5%): bullish wave 1

 

ANTM is long term Bullish as the 144 bars moving average of 7,671.70 is
increasing. The Relative Strength Index is at 73.10 in the overbought
territory. The Relative Momentum Index is at 92.20 in the overbought
territory. An important indicator for Elliott waves, the Elliott oscillator
is at 1,684.31, in positive territory; this is a bullish sign. An equally
important indicator, the STORSI is at 69.36. This value is in the neutral
territory.

 

 

Weekly Pivot Point Resistance and Support

 

The first weekly resistance level is at 11,350.00 while the second
resistance level at  11,950.00. The first weekly support level is at
9,850.00 while the second support level is at 8,950.00.

 

This commentary was written by Robert Tassé

 for AlphOmega Elliott Waves

 

 

 

  _  

From: Gregorius Sihombing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:43 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM

 

Buat pencinta ANTM, ANTM kelihatannya sudah mencapai puncak wave 5 di 11600
Jumat kemarin. Sekarang sedang membentuk wave koreksi a-b-c. Ada beberapa
kemungkinan yang bisa terjadi:

 

1. Harga koreksi akan sampai 8500 (retrace 61,8% dari awal wave 1). Ini
pernah terjadi di periode bulan September 2006 - Januari 2007 yang harganya
retrace sampai hampir 61,8% (harga 6600) dari harga tertingginya waktu itu
8450.

 

2. Harga koreksi akan sampai 8500. Ini juga terjadi di periode bulan Juni
2006 - September 2006 dimana harga koreksi wave c sama dengan harga awal
wave 5.

 

3. Harga koreksi akan sampai 6600. Ini pernah terjadi pada periode bulan
Februari 2006 - Juni 2006, dimana harga akhir wave c (3525) lebih rendah
dibandingkan dengan harga awal wave 1 (3750).

 

4. Harga koreksi akan sampai 9100. Ini terjadi di periode bulan November
2005 - Februari 2006 yang harganya retrace sampai hampir 50% (harga 3750)
dari harga tertingginya waktu itu 4900.

 

Tapi menurut prediksi saya dengan melihat harga nikel yang masih tinggi saat
ini, walaupun terkoreksi cukup dalam hari Jumat kemarin, dan kondisi
regional yang kemungkinan masih bullish 1-2 bulan ini, koreksi harga ANTM
hanya akan sampai 50,0% - 61,8% retrace atau di harga sekitar 9700 - 1.
Wave a-b-c ini biasanya memakan waktu 1 bulanan kecuali yang pernah terjadi
di bulan April - Juni 2006 sampai 1,5 bulan. Yang mau masuk jangka menengah
atau panjang, lebih bijaksana tunggu sampai bulan depan. 

 

GS

  

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[obrolan-bandar] Re: what's wrong with IHSG?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Terima saja keadaannya. Wong pasar maunya begitu. Get along with it.




--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "dazzledtrader" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 3 hari terakhir ini major regional rata2 +1% per hari. Dow Jones 2 
> hari terakhir positif besar. Mengapa IHSG justru sideways? Kemarin -
> 2.4, hari ini hanya +0.7. 
> 
> Apakah ada yg kurang bagus scr fundamental atau mungkin dari sisi TA 
> ada gejala flu (mungkin overbought)? Mohon petunjuk dari para master 
> IHSG (Mbah, Mr. Vibby, Mr. FS, Mr. Oen, Ms. Bettina Tan, et. al.)
> 
> Prediksi IHSG besok bagaimana? Apa bakal terkait secara signifikan dg 
> keputusan the Fed ttg US interest rate? Kemungkinan besar Fed akan 
> stay dg 5.25%, bukan?
> 
> 
> Salam,
> -Darmawan
>

[obrolan-bandar] China's Growth Is Unstable, Unsustainable, Wen Says (Update1)

[Soeratman Doerachman]

China's Growth Is Unstable, Unsustainable, Wen Says (Update1) 

By Josephine Lau and Yanping Li

March 16 (Bloomberg) -- China's economic expansion, the source of about a
10th of global growth last year, is unstable and environmentally
unsustainable, Premier Wen Jiabao said. 

``China's investment growth is too high, lending growth too fast, liquidity
excessive and trade and international payments very imbalanced,'' Wen said
at a press conference in Beijing today. Energy efficiency and environmental
protection issues haven't been ``properly resolved,'' he said. 

Wen's comments underscore government concern that too many factories are
being built in China, worsening pollution and leaving the world's
fastest-growing major economy vulnerable to a slowdown in demand. A record
$177.5 billion trade surplus has flooded the economy with cash, making it
harder for the government to cool investment by reining in bank lending. 

Data this week showed accelerating inflation, money supply and industrial
production growth, while the February trade surplus was close to a monthly
record. Central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan said today he's watching
inflation closely and Trade Minister Bo Xilai said he's ``very concerned''
about the surplus, suggesting the government may raise interest rates or
further tighten lending. 

``The odds of an interest rate hike are growing,'' Ben Simpfendorfer, an
economist at Royal Bank of Scotland Plc in Hong Kong, said. ``The Chinese
government wants to reduce liquidity in the economy and to discourage a
reacceleration in credit growth.'' 

Investment Agency 

The benchmark Shanghai and Shenzhen 300 Index fell 1.6 percent to close at
2604.23 after Wen's comments, having earlier gained as much as 0.8 percent.
The index has increased 153 percent in the past year. 

Wen said the formation of a new investment agency to help manage China's
$1.07 trillion of foreign-exchange reserves won't cause a slump in U.S.
securities. China's purchases of U.S. dollar assets are ``mutually
beneficial,'' he said. 

The planned agency, announced by Finance Minister Jin Renqing on March 9,
has prompted speculation that China's sales of dollar assets would push down
prices. China is the world's second-biggest holder of U.S. Treasuries after
Japan, with $353.6 billion in January. 

The foreign-exchange reserves rose by more than $200 billion last year to
become the world's largest, driven by the ballooning trade surplus. The
surge has prompted criticism from U.S. and European lawmakers and
manufacturers, who accuse China of keeping the yuan artificially weak to
spur exports. 

Surging Exports 

The yuan rose 0.02 percent to 7.7386 to the dollar as of 5:05 p.m.,
according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The currency has gained about 7
percent since China ended a decade-old peg to the U.S. dollar in 2005. 

China's economy grew 10.7 percent last year, the fastest pace since 1995,
driven by surging exports and investment. The economy expanded by at least
10 percent for the past four years. 

``China has maintained relatively steady and fast growth over the past few
years, but this is not a time for complacency,'' Wen told reporters at the
National People's Congress meeting. ``The biggest problem in China's economy
is that the growth is unstable, imbalanced, uncoordinated and
unsustainable.'' 

China's spending on factories, real estate and other fixed assets grew 23.4
percent in the first two months from a year earlier, the statistics bureau
said today, slowing from a 24.5 percent pace in 2006 as government curbs
took effect. 

China's `Key Risk' 

The People's Bank of China has raised interest rates twice since April and
has ordered banks to set aside more money as reserves five times in the past
nine months to help cool lending. The benchmark one-year lending rate is
6.12 percent after being last raised by 0.27 percentage point in August. 

``The key risk in the Chinese economy remains a re- acceleration, not a
significant slowing,'' said Glenn Maguire, chief Asia economist at Societe
Generale SA in Hong Kong. ``The central bank will tighten soon.'' 

Money supply grew 17.8 percent in February, the most in six months.
Inflation accelerated to 2.7 percent from 2.2 percent in January. Industrial
production jumped 18.5 percent in January and February combined, the most in
eight months. 

Leaders at this year's meeting of China's legislature have repeatedly
highlighted the need to tackle the environmental costs of a coal-powered
economic boom, lagging rural incomes, and an excessive reliance on
investment and exports for growth. 

Balancing Growth 

``China's growth is imbalanced between urban and rural areas, different
regions and eastern and western regions,'' said Wen. Growth is uncoordinated
between agriculture, industry and services, he said. 

``Those are all pressing issues that need to be addressed as soon as
possible, or they will threaten China's economic growth,'' Wen said. The
government must boost domestic 

[obrolan-bandar] China's Growth Is Unstable, Unsustainable, Wen Says (Update1)

[Soeratman Doerachman]

China's Growth Is Unstable, Unsustainable, Wen Says (Update1) 

By Josephine Lau and Yanping Li

March 16 (Bloomberg) -- China's economic expansion, the source of about a
10th of global growth last year, is unstable and environmentally
unsustainable, Premier Wen Jiabao said. 

``China's investment growth is too high, lending growth too fast, liquidity
excessive and trade and international payments very imbalanced,'' Wen said
at a press conference in Beijing today. Energy efficiency and environmental
protection issues haven't been ``properly resolved,'' he said. 

Wen's comments underscore government concern that too many factories are
being built in China, worsening pollution and leaving the world's
fastest-growing major economy vulnerable to a slowdown in demand. A record
$177.5 billion trade surplus has flooded the economy with cash, making it
harder for the government to cool investment by reining in bank lending. 

Data this week showed accelerating inflation, money supply and industrial
production growth, while the February trade surplus was close to a monthly
record. Central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan said today he's watching
inflation closely and Trade Minister Bo Xilai said he's ``very concerned''
about the surplus, suggesting the government may raise interest rates or
further tighten lending. 

``The odds of an interest rate hike are growing,'' Ben Simpfendorfer, an
economist at Royal Bank of Scotland Plc in Hong Kong, said. ``The Chinese
government wants to reduce liquidity in the economy and to discourage a
reacceleration in credit growth.'' 

Investment Agency 

The benchmark Shanghai and Shenzhen 300 Index fell 1.6 percent to close at
2604.23 after Wen's comments, having earlier gained as much as 0.8 percent.
The index has increased 153 percent in the past year. 

Wen said the formation of a new investment agency to help manage China's
$1.07 trillion of foreign-exchange reserves won't cause a slump in U.S.
securities. China's purchases of U.S. dollar assets are ``mutually
beneficial,'' he said. 

The planned agency, announced by Finance Minister Jin Renqing on March 9,
has prompted speculation that China's sales of dollar assets would push down
prices. China is the world's second-biggest holder of U.S. Treasuries after
Japan, with $353.6 billion in January. 

The foreign-exchange reserves rose by more than $200 billion last year to
become the world's largest, driven by the ballooning trade surplus. The
surge has prompted criticism from U.S. and European lawmakers and
manufacturers, who accuse China of keeping the yuan artificially weak to
spur exports. 

Surging Exports 

The yuan rose 0.02 percent to 7.7386 to the dollar as of 5:05 p.m.,
according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The currency has gained about 7
percent since China ended a decade-old peg to the U.S. dollar in 2005. 

China's economy grew 10.7 percent last year, the fastest pace since 1995,
driven by surging exports and investment. The economy expanded by at least
10 percent for the past four years. 

``China has maintained relatively steady and fast growth over the past few
years, but this is not a time for complacency,'' Wen told reporters at the
National People's Congress meeting. ``The biggest problem in China's economy
is that the growth is unstable, imbalanced, uncoordinated and
unsustainable.'' 

China's spending on factories, real estate and other fixed assets grew 23.4
percent in the first two months from a year earlier, the statistics bureau
said today, slowing from a 24.5 percent pace in 2006 as government curbs
took effect. 

China's `Key Risk' 

The People's Bank of China has raised interest rates twice since April and
has ordered banks to set aside more money as reserves five times in the past
nine months to help cool lending. The benchmark one-year lending rate is
6.12 percent after being last raised by 0.27 percentage point in August. 

``The key risk in the Chinese economy remains a re- acceleration, not a
significant slowing,'' said Glenn Maguire, chief Asia economist at Societe
Generale SA in Hong Kong. ``The central bank will tighten soon.'' 

Money supply grew 17.8 percent in February, the most in six months.
Inflation accelerated to 2.7 percent from 2.2 percent in January. Industrial
production jumped 18.5 percent in January and February combined, the most in
eight months. 

Leaders at this year's meeting of China's legislature have repeatedly
highlighted the need to tackle the environmental costs of a coal-powered
economic boom, lagging rural incomes, and an excessive reliance on
investment and exports for growth. 

Balancing Growth 

``China's growth is imbalanced between urban and rural areas, different
regions and eastern and western regions,'' said Wen. Growth is uncoordinated
between agriculture, industry and services, he said. 

``Those are all pressing issues that need to be addressed as soon as
possible, or they will threaten China's economic growth,'' Wen said. The
government must boost domestic 

[obrolan-bandar] RE: [etradingsecurities] Tentang eTrading Ngadat hari ini sesuai berita sebenarnya ..

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Patric

 

Terimakasih atas penjelasannya. Tadinya kita pengguna HOTS khawatir juga
dengan keadaan ini.

 

Tapi mari kita lihat saja hari-hari mendatang ini. Kalau masih terjadi lagi
must be something wrong. Wrongnya dimana saya nggak tau. Dan kalalu terjadi
mesti eTrading menjelaskannya.

 

  _  

From: Patricius Sendjojo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com;
saham@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [etradingsecurities] Tentang eTrading Ngadat hari ini sesuai berita
sebenarnya ..

 

eTrading Ngadat hari ini bukan disebabkan karena Kesalahan eTrading.

Leased Line Telkom dari BEJ ke IDC milik eTrading terputus dikarenakan
Telkom yang kehilangan database akibat banjir.

Sehingga karena pihak eTrading yang tidak ditagih oleh Telkom tidak
melakukan pembayaran untuk Leased Line tersebut.

Karena pihak Telkom disisi teknis tidak melihat pembayaran maka diputuslah
koneksinya.

 

Berita dari teman saya, seperti kemarin eTrading akhirnya melakukan backup
dengan datafeed jalur lain (walaupun ujicoba belum 100% berhasil)

Semoga dikemudian hari eTrading akan menjalankan pararel datafeed dari 2
koneksi yang berbeda.

Seharusnya teman-teman di eTrading akan menyelesaikannya ini dalam waktu
dekat. Karena saya dengar sudah ada proses ujicoba 

Secara serius.

 

Saya menyarankan untuk kali ini eTrading harus melakukan protes keras ke PT.
Telkom

Karena ini menyangkut nama eTrading.

 

Ayo teman-teman di eTrading, kalian sudah memiliki backup system kan, buruan
diimplementasikan.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Patric

 

 

 

 

FW: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] HOTS di kuasai MAFIA

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Teman-teman yang terhormat

 

Atas keluhan yang kita sampaikan melalui email dibawah ini langsung kepada
pimpinan eTrading,  maka saya telah mendapatkan jawaban dari Direksi
eTrading   via email dan tilpon  sbb:

 

*   Terputusnya HOTS pda pagi hari ini disebabkan karena masalah
komunikasi Telkom dan yang bersangkutan sedang mengajukan komplain juga
kepada Telkom
*   Saya juga mendapat keterangan bahwa eTrading pada dasarnya sama
dengan sekuritas lain dalam melaksanakan order dari para client nya yaitu
melalui tilpon 
*   HOTS adalah merupakan pelayanan khusus (market info yang lengkap dan
on line order) yang diberikan oleh eTrading kepada para pelanggannya yang
membedakan pelayanan sekuritas ini dengan sekuritas lainnya sehingga para
customernya dapat memiliki informasi lengkap sebelum melakukan transaksi
serta dapat melakukan langsung order ke BEJ tanpa melalu dealing room
*   Jika HOTS putus maka seperti halnya sekuritas lain,  eTrading dapat
melayani order melalui tilpon

 

Dari pengalaman ini saya menyarankan kepada teman-teman agar 

 

*   selalu memiliki back-up dalam kita melaksanakan order
*   Back-up market info dapat kita peroleh melalui RTI (seperti pernah
kita jalankan iuran langganannya) sedangkan ordernya   dapat dilaksanakan
melalui dealing room atau fasilitas order on line lainnya (sepengetahuan
saya ada 3 sekuritas lain yg memilikinya).

 

Cara backup ini saya baca juga dari buku-buku electronic trading lainnya
yang menyarankan agar trader selalu memiliki back-up, secanggih apapun
fasilitas yang diberikan oleh sebuah sekuritas. Saran ini terutama saya
berika bagi anggota-anggota J-Club dalam rangka melakukan SAVE TRADING.

 

Happy Trading

 

 

  _  

From: Soeratman Doerachman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:49 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Cc: 'Arisandhi Indrodwisatio'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: FW: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] HOTS di kuasai MAFIA

 

Dear Kim and Jason

 

This is very serious. Customers start to think to make report to the
authority and to sue eTrading. There is a law in Indonesia to protect the
consumers

 

  _  

From: Teddy Halim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] HOTS di kuasai MAFIA

 

Laporkan saja ke yang berwajib kalau memang bener demikian, boss

On 3/15/07, Jack Cowok <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> com
> wrote:

Kemacetan HOTS yang semakin sering terjadi, buka lagi secara Technical.

Sudah ada unsur DILUAR itu yang berperan.

 

Maka, bagi penyedia jasa HOTS, sebaiknya ini di hentikan. 

 

Karena suatu hari, anda bisa di TUNTUT.

 

 

 

___ 

FW: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] HOTS di kuasai MAFIA

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Dear Kim and Jason

 

This is very serious. Customers start to think to make report to the
authority and to sue eTrading. There is a law in Indonesia to protect the
consumers

 

  _  

From: Teddy Halim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] HOTS di kuasai MAFIA

 

Laporkan saja ke yang berwajib kalau memang bener demikian, boss



On 3/15/07, Jack Cowok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  com
> wrote:

Kemacetan HOTS yang semakin sering terjadi, buka lagi secara Technical.

Sudah ada unsur DILUAR itu yang berperan.

 

Maka, bagi penyedia jasa HOTS, sebaiknya ini di hentikan. 

 

Karena suatu hari, anda bisa di TUNTUT.

 

 

 

[obrolan-bandar] Stocks Drop on Continued Selloff

[Soeratman Doerachman]

AP
Stocks Drop on Continued Selloff
Wednesday March 14, 12:22 pm ET 
By Tim Paradis, AP Business Writer 


 

Stocks Fall As Investors, Still Worried About Mortgages, Seek a Direction
After Selloff 

NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks fell Wednesday, pulling the Dow Jones industrials
through the psychological 12,000 barrier for the first time since Nov. 6 as
concerns about faltering subprime mortgage lenders extended a broad selloff
in stocks.

 

The Dow first crossed the 12,000 mark in October. 

The market showed its continuing nervousness about soured loans among
subprime lenders. H&R Block Inc. added to the uneasiness by announcing after
the closing bell Tuesday its fiscal third-quarter losses would rise because
of a $29 million writedown at its mortgage arm. 

The anxiety over mortgage lenders, particularly the subprime lenders that
make loans to people with poor credit, pushed the Dow down by more than 240
points Tuesday, its second-biggest drop in nearly four years. The pullback
resembled a 416-point drop in the Dow seen two weeks ago that began in part
after a nearly 9 percent drop in stocks in Shanghai and amid concerns about
subprime mortgages. 

In midday trading, the Dow Jones industrial average fell 80.43, or 0.67
percent, to 11,995.53. 

Broader stock indicators also fell. The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose
8.16, or 0.59 percent, to 1,369.79, and the Nasdaq composite index fell
13.20, or 0.56 percent, to 2,337.37.

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Today? hancur.

[Soeratman Doerachman]

That's the way contrarian do business. Tampil beda. Yg lain jual dia beli

 

  _  

From: helmi setiawan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:11 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Today? hancur.

 

yup.. Setidaknya saya masih bisa untung saat beli di opening dan jual
20 menit kemudian.

Just different war strategy when we see a different cloud, cause we
still stand in same land..

Thx

--- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com, Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> DJ minus 2%, regional hancur lebur, JSX? Masa mau hijo sendiri? :)
> 
> 
> 
> Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To: obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com
> From: Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:03:18 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] RUMUS SENEN-KEMIS
> 
> Unfortunately
> today, the stocks are going down1754-1756 support..? or 1766
first support
> cheers
> 
> 
> helmi setiawan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's another new tips
> Some people says that this cycle already research in 2005. ;))
> Katanya sih gitu..:P
> 
> POLA "SENEN KEMIS" ala BEJ
> 
> Dengan asumsi saham yg sangat stabil bergerak di harga flat setiap
> bulannya,
> Harga tertinggi biasanya dicapai di hari kamis dan 10 menit di
> pembukaan awal sesi jum'at.
> Harga terendah biasanya dicapai diantara hari jum'at dan hari senin.
> 
> Jadi dari phisicology manner ini bisa dicapai banyak kesimpulan antara
> lain:
> 1. Jika harga hari senin lebih tinggi dari harga tertinggi yg di capai
> pada hari rabu kamis dan awal sesi jumat, artinya bakal terjadi bulish
> trend jangka panjang, kecuali jika ada perlawanan baru.
> contoh ini terjadi di tins dan antm 2/3 bulan lalu
> 2. Jika hari kamis harga lebih rendah atau sama dengan harga hari
> jumat / senin artinya akan terjadi bearish trend, kecuali jika ada
> perlawanan susulan juga.
> contoh ini terjadi saat kejatuhan PTBA dan PGAS
> 3. jika hari kamis mendapatkan candlestik long red candlestik, harga
> akan drop kuat di hari berikutnya atau beberapa hari kemudian
> Untuk ini saya liat banyak sampelnya.
> 
> Contoh pola senen kemis yg paling normal terjadi di TINS yg setiap
> jum'at nya selalu demam:P
> 
> Dan byk hal lain yg bisa disimpulkan dan di ambil sisi keuntungannya,
> misal cara untuk main Swing yg berpedoman pada pola ini.
> 
> Satu hal penyebab terjadinya pola ini.
> Dikarenakan jum'at merupakan hari profit taking dan disusul keraguan
> di hari senin, dan secara tidak sengaja pola ini berkembang secara
> teratur, dan ini lah penyebab prediksi japanis candlestik ngaco di
> hari senin dan jumat.
> 
> Kesimpulan sederhana adalah 
> Jadwal beli paling tepat untuk trading dalam mingguan adalah hari
> senin akhir sesi atau sesi pertama selasa.
> Jadwal jual barang paling baik adalah hari kamis atau jum'at pembukaan
> sesi
> Karena rata2 profit tertinggi bisa dicapai biasanya dari awal selasa
> sampai akhir sesi kamis atau opening sesi jum'at
> 
> Jangan lupa 
> Volume yg terlalu kecil berpengaruh lain pada pola ini.
> 
> Thats all now, I give you my better trick tomorrow.
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
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[obrolan-bandar] China batuk yang lain ikut demam

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Sekarang bukan DOW saja yang penyakitnya bisa menular. China kentut pun
baunya sekarang bisa sampai kemana-mana.  Kta bisa baca dalam artikel
dibawah  ini bagaimana DOW sempat terkapar karena bau kentutnya Shanghai.

Kesimpulan : Watch juga China, jangan DOW dan Nikkei saja.

 

 

China Coughs and the World Catches a Cold 

By D.R. Barton, Jr. 

Yesterday (Tuesday, 2/27/2007) was a truly extraordinary day in the equity
markets.

Here's how unusual this drop was: it's only the fifth time in 100 years that
the DJIA has gone from trading above its 50-day moving average on one day to
dropping below the lows of the past 50 days the next.  In other words, it
was higher than the average price over the prior 50 days, and all of the
sudden it wiped out all the gains from those days in just one single day
(thanks to Jason Goepfert's excellent work for the statistics).

Here's another way to look at yesterday's trading - in one day, the market
wiped out almost four months of bull run, dating back to the beginning of
last November (in the futures).  This was no ordinary move.

But even with all of the extremes presented by the market's activity, we
have to keep some perspective. The market was only down 3.47% yesterday (for
the S&P 500 cash index).  And to be considered a "correction" (which is
generally considered to be a 10% pullback), we would need to travel another
6% from here, all the way down to 1315.41 to move 10% from the highs.

Today's trading (as of 2:00) has given us an inside day (the highs of today
are lower and lows of today are higher than yesterday's trading).  But we
are trading in the bottom third of yesterday's range.

While the market could do many things from here, the extreme overbought
levels that peaked late last week have only been partially relieved.  A very
likely scenario is that Tuesday's huge drop was the trigger for a
larger-scale pullback.  In that scenario, Wednesday's trading has
predictably slower trading while the market catches it's breath.

A close below yesterday's low (1389.42 on the S&P 500 cash index) should
make everyone take notice that this round of selling is not over.  But until
that time, the bulls can rest a bit easier.

Great Trading!

D. R.

 

D. R. Barton, Jr. will be teaching our New Professional E-Mini Futures
Tactics Workshop, March 3-5, Raleigh NC.  He will be joined by ace trader
Christopher Castroviejo. To see what D.R. says about Christopher, click

here.

A passion for the systematic approach to the markets and lifelong love of
teaching and learning have propelled D.R. Barton, Jr. to the top of the
investment and trading arena where he is one of the most widely read and
followed traders and analysts in the world. 

He is a regularly featured guest analyst on both Report on Business TV,  and
WTOP News Radio in Washington, D. C., and has been a guest analyst on
Bloomberg Radio.  His articles have appeared on SmartMoney.com and Financial
Advisor magazine.

 

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

[obrolan-bandar] Tome To Buy? Saya kira artikel dibawah ini berlaku juga terhadap IHSG

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Artikel New Yorlk Times ini sangat bagus untuk mereka yg belum mengetahui
strategi yang dimaksud. Coba bandingkan dengan IHSG pada waktu-waktu yg
lalau dimana dia jatuh cukup dalam.

 

 

Time to buy?
28 Feb 2007

 

If history is any guide, the recent global equity market bleeding presents
long-term investors with a buying opportunity.

 

Wall Street lives by the adage that investors should buy when there is blood
in the streets. While market players may be a superstitious bunch, in this
case it's a maxim that has been borne out over time. Rather than run from
Tuesday's blood-letting, which saw the Dow sink more than 400 points,
long-term investors may do well to chase what history suggests is a time to
buy

The Dow Jones industrial average was already bouncing back on Wednesday,
making it easier to put the previous day's sell-off in perspective. 

In terms of points, Tuesday's 416-point decline was the steepest the market
has fallen since a nearly 685-point drop on Sept. 17, 2001 - the first day
of trading after the 9/11 attacks. In terms of percent, the Dow's 3.29
percent fall was the largest since Sept. 27, 2002's 3.70 percent retreat. 

Tuesday's point decline is the seventh largest over the last 50 years. (
 Click here for an
Excel sheet of the historical closing values of the Dow.) 



Date

Point Decline


Period 1: Sept. 17 2001

-684.81 


Period 2: Apr. 14 2000

-617.78 


Period 3: Oct. 27 1997

-554.26 


Period 4: Aug. 31 1998

-512.61


Period 5: Oct. 19 1987

-507.99


Period 6: Mar. 12 2001

-436.37


Period 7: Feb. 27 2007

-416.02


 

Remember, though, that the Dow has been near an all-time high, so the
percent decline is not nearly as bad given the magnitude of the point fall.
In fact, over the last 50 years, there were 33 worse trading days in terms
of percentage declines. 

The question we need to answer is what we can expect for the markets going
forward? 

While past performance is no guarantee of future returns, we can still look
at history as our guide. 

We focused on the six larger point declines over the last 50 years and
examined the performance of the Dow during the one-month and one-year
periods that followed the drop. In the event that the market was closed
exactly one month or one year ahead, we looked at the next trading day. We
found that, on average, the Dow posted solid returns. 

First, notice that the Dow has generally been higher one month after one of
these sell-offs, with an average gain of more than 4 percent. 



 


1 Month Performance

Starting Value

Ending Value

Percent Change


Period 1: Sept. 17 2001 - Oct. 17 2001

8920.70

9232.97

3.50%


Period 2: Apr. 14 2000 - May 15 2000

10305.77

10807.78

4.87%


Period 3: Oct. 27 1997 - Nov. 28 1997

7161.15

7823.13

9.24%


Period 4: Aug. 31 1998 - Oct. 1 1998

7539.07

7632.53

1.24%


Period 5: Oct. 19 1987 - Nov. 19 1987

1738.74

1895.39

9.01%


Period 6: Mar. 12 2001 - Apr. 12 2001

10208.25

10126.94

-0.80%


Average

NA

NA

4.51%


 

Keep in mind that investing is a long-term process and investors who have
stuck it out longer have usually fared well: The Dow has returned, on
average, about 12 percent in the year following these six other sell-offs. 



 


1 Year Performance

Starting Value

Ending Value

Percent Change


Period 1: Sept. 17 2001 - Sept. 17 2002

8920.70

8207.55

-7.99%


Period 2: Apr. 14 2000 - Apr. 16 2001

10305.77

10158.56

-1.43%


Period 3: Oct. 27 1997 - Oct. 27 1998

7161.15

8366.04

10.97%


Period 4: Aug. 31 1998 - Aug. 31 1999

7539.07

10829.28

43.64%


Period 5: Oct. 19 1987 - Oct. 19 1988

1738.74

2137.27

22.92%


Period 6: Mar. 12 2001 - Mar. 12 2002

10208.25

10632.35

4.15%


Average

NA

NA

12.04%


 

Again, there is nothing to say that the Dow will be higher one month or even
one year from now. There are many factors that suggest easing economic
growth, such as Wednesday's
 downward
revision in GDP figures, which could adversely impact stock prices. But
history suggests that investors may want to take advantage of the lower
stock prices to add positions they've had their eye on. Blood-letting may be
scary, but it can be good. 

At the time of publication, Erik Dellith did not directly own shares of any
company mentioned in this article. He may be an owner, albeit indirectly, as
an investor in a mutual fund or an Exchange Traded Fund. 

 

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

[obrolan-bandar] MarketWatch

[Soeratman Doerachman]

MarketWatch
U.S. stocks plunge to worst 1-day drop since 2001

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

[obrolan-bandar] Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Dow Drops 416 on Global Market Plunge
Tuesday February 27, 4:51 pm ET 
By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer 


 

Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global
Market Plunge 

NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks had their worst day of trading since the Sept. 11,
2001, terrorist attacks Tuesday, briefly hurtling the Dow Jones industrials
down more than 500 points on a worldwide tide of concern that the U.S. and
Chinese economies are stumbling and that share prices have become
overinflated.

The steepness of the market's drop, as well as its global breadth, signaled
a possible correction after a long period of stable and steadily rising
stock markets, which had not been shaken by such a volatile day of trading
in several years. 

A 9 percent slide in Chinese stocks, which came a day after investors sent
Shanghai's benchmark index to a record high close, set the tone for U.S.
trading. The Dow began the day falling sharply, and the decline accelerated
throughout the course of the session before stocks took a huge plunge in
late afternoon as computer-driven sell programs kicked in. 

The Dow fell 546.02, or 4.3 percent, to 12,086.06 before recovering some
ground in the last hour of trading to close down 416.02, or 3.29 percent, at
12,216.24, according to preliminary calculations. Because the worst of the
plunge took place after 2:30 p.m., the New York Stock Exchange's trading
limits, designed to halt such precipitous moves, were not activated. 

The decline was the Dow's worst since Sept. 17, 2001, the first trading day
after the terror attacks, when the blue chips closed down 684.81, or 7.13
percent. 

The drop hit every sector of stocks across the market. Riskier issues such
as small-cap and technology stocks suffered the biggest declines. 

But analysts who have been expecting a pullback after a huge rally that
began last October and sent the Dow to a series of record highs, were
unfazed by Tuesday's drop. 

"This corrective consolidation phase isn't just going to be one day, but we
don't believe this is going to be a bear market," said Bob Doll, BlackRock's
global chief investment officer of equities. 

Some investors also tried to put Tuesday's slide into a longer-term
perspective. 

"All who invest should feel grateful that we've had a great run for the last
12 to 18 months," said Joel Kleinman, a Washington, D.C. attorney, adding
that he has learned to not read too much into any short-term ups and downs.
"This is another day in the market." 

Still, traders' dwindling confidence was knocked down further by data
showing that the economy may be decelerating more than anticipated. A
Commerce Department report that orders for durable goods in January dropped
by the largest amount in three months exacerbated jitters about the
direction of the U.S. economy, just a day after former Federal Reserve
Chairman Alan Greenspan said the United States may be headed for a
recession. 

"It looks more and more like the economy is a slow growth economy," said
Michael Strauss, chief economist at Commonfund. "Moderate economic growth is
good -- an abrupt stop in economic growth scares people." 

The market had been expecting the government on Wednesday to revise its
estimate of fourth-quarter GDP growth down to an annual rate of about 2.3
percent from an initial forecast of 3.5 percent, and grew increasingly
nervous on Tuesday that the figure could come in even lower. 

The housing market, which the Street had been hoping had bottomed out, also
looked far from recovery after a Standard & Poor's index indicated that
single-family home prices across the nation were flat in December. A later
report from the National Association of Realtors said existing home sales
climbed in January by the largest amount in two years, but the data didn't
erase housing-related concerns, as median home prices fell for a sixth
straight month. 

But a growing feeling that Wall Street, which has had a big run-up since
October, was due for a correction also played into Tuesday's decline. 

"I think that the market was prepared to pull back. The constellation of
issues that were worrying the market came to a head," said Quincy Krosby,
chief investment strategist at The Hartford. 

Just a week ago, the Dow had reached new closing and trading highs, rising
as high as 12,795.92. 

The broader Standard & Poor's 500 index was down 50.33, or 3.47 percent, at
1,399.04, and the tech-dominated Nasdaq composite index was off 96.65, or
3.86 percent, at 2,407.87. 

A suicide bomber attack on the main U.S. military base in Afghanistan where
Vice President Dick Cheney was visiting also rattled the market. 

China's stock market plummeted Tuesday from record highs as investors took
profits when concerns arose that the Chinese government may try to temper
its ballooning economy by raising interest rates again or reducing more of
the money available for lending. 

"Corrections usually happen because of a catalyst, and this may be it," said
Ed Peters, c

[obrolan-bandar] Economists: Recession Unlikely in 2007

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Economists: Recession Unlikely in 2007
Tuesday February 27, 4:56 pm ET 
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer 


 

Economists Say U.S. Recession Unlikely This Year Despite Warnings From
Greenspan 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Alan Greenspan and the Wall Street nosedive aside,
economists think the probability of a U.S. recession this year is fairly low
and the likelihood of one in China is even slimmer. 

Greenspan, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, warned this week that
the world's largest economy -- the United States -- could slip into
recession this year. That would be bad news for the global economy, too.

However, many economists put the probability of a recession at about one in
five. 

The biggest risk to the five-year-old U.S. economic expansion is that the
housing slump might take an unexpected turn for the worse, analysts say. In
one dire scenario, not only would consumers and businesses clamp down on
spending and investing, but troubles could spread to lenders dealing in
risky mortgages, triggering a financial crisis. 

The latest U.S. economic barometers released Tuesday were mostly good, but
they failed to ease investors' anxiety. The Dow Jones Industrials closed
down more than 400 points. At one point during the day, the slide approached
550. 

The National Association of Realtors reported that sales of previously owned
homes -- the biggest chunk of the housing market -- rose by 3 percent in
January from the previous month. That was the largest gain in two years.
While the sales boost was helped out by last month's unusually warm weather,
it still raised hopes that the worst of the residential real-estate bust may
be over. 

Even if that turns out to be the case, the pain of the housing slump will
continue to be felt this year because the inventory of unsold homes is still
bloated. That will take time to fix and may drag down home prices even more.


The nationwide median price of an existing home sold in January sank to
$210,600, a drop of 3.1 percent from last year and the third-largest annual
decline on record. The median price is where half sell for more and half for
less. 

So far, consumers -- the lifeblood of the economy -- have been spending
sufficiently to keep the economy moving ahead. The worry, though, is that
people who had treated their homes like ATMs -- when values were soaring
through the five-year housing boom that ended in 2005 -- will cut back on
their spending as home prices in some markets drop or go up only a little. 

Before Tuesday's huge stock market drop, consumers seemed in buoyant
spirits. 

Consumer confidence zoomed to a 5 1/2-year high in February with people
feeling better about current economic conditions as well as the jobs
climate. The Conference Board's index climbed to 112.5 from 110.2 in
January. That should bode well for the national economy because if consumers
are feeling optimistic they may be more inclined to spend. 

A third report, also released Tuesday, underscored the struggles of the
nation's manufacturers, who have been feeling the strain from the ailing
housing and automotive sectors as well as intense foreign competition.
Orders for big-ticket manufactured goods plunged 7.8 percent in January, the
largest decline since October, the Commerce Department said. 

Economic growth for the final quarter of 2006 is expected to be downgraded
on Wednesday to a subpar 2.3 percent pace from the solid 3.5 percent rate
initially estimated a month ago. 

GDP measures the value of all goods and services produced in the United
States and is the best barometer of the nation's economic fitness. 

For all of this year, the National Association for Business Economics, or
NABE, is predicting the economy to slow to 2.8 percent, down from 3.4
percent in 2006. The Bush administration thinks growth will slow to 2.9
percent, while the Federal Reserve estimates somewhere between 2.5 percent
and 3 percent. The housing slump is expected to be the main culprit. Next
year, though, economic growth would pick up to the 3 percent range. 

The International Monetary Fund, in projections last fall, said the world
economy should hold up well in the face of a slowing U.S. economy and should
grow by a solid 4.9 percent this year. 

China's economy logged blistering growth of 10.7 percent last year -- the
most since 1995. It is expected to slow somewhat to 9.8 percent this year,
according to the country's central bank. 

Brian Bethune, economist at Global Insight, predicted China's growth would
have to slow much more -- to around 6 percent or less -- to precipitate
major economic turmoil. "It would take a major slowdown to upset the Chinese
applecart," he said. 

Economists put the odds of a U.S recession this year at about one in five.
"It is very rare that business cycles die of old age. It is usually some
shock that leads to recession," said Carl Tannenbaum, chief economist at
LaSalle Bank and president of the NABE. 

The economy's last recession in 2001 was preceded by the b

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Tin vs Nickel vs Emas. Gambar bicara seribu kata

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Melihat INCO tgl 28 Feb, apapun bicaranya gambar, kalau pasar lagi 
nggak mau ya yg kejadian yang sebaliknya. Disinilah kita memerlukan   
Risk Management to anticipate if marlet moves not in our favor.


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim Mintareja" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Saya sih lebih suka INCO karena lebih tahan terhadap gejolak 
kenaikan
> minyak. dan hanya produksi nickel.
> 
> Jadi lebih sederhana hitungannya.
> 
> ANTM pengaruh harga minyak terlalu tinggi
> 
> 
> On 2/27/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >INCO paling sulit dibeli dan dijualnya karena spread bid 
offernya besar
> > dan volumenya sangat tipis sekali ...
> >
> > Ada penjelasan kenapa anda lebih tertarik ke INCO dibandingkan 
ANTM
> > padahal ANTM lagi punya banyak program dan proyek sehingga 
terlihat jelas
> > growthnya
> >
> > Regards,
> > JA
> >
> >
> > On 2/27/07, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Sekedar comment dari Junior yang tidak berkepentingan dengan 
harga
> > > TIN, Nikel dan Gold..
> > >
> > > Gold sedang up trend.. tapi belum spike.
> > >
> > > Tin gagal bertahan di support trend line
> > >
> > > Nickel rebound seteleah menyentuh lower trendline.
> > >
> > > Dengan begitu urutan saya Nickel.. over Gold..over Tin
> > > Terefleksi ke stock market di INCO over ANTM over TINS
> > >
> > > Saya tidak punya sama sekali ketiga saham di atas.. tapi kalau 
dipaksa
> > > masuk.. saya cuman mau masuk di INCO..
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/26/07, Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Untuk menentukan apakah pilih ANTM. INCO atau TINS
> > > >
> > > > Lihat juga emas
> > > >
> > > > Gambar bicara seribu kata. Silahkan tambah ceritera-ceritera 
pemanis
> > > > atau yg bikin pahit yg kadang-kadang subjective
> > > >
> > > > Biasanya kalau lagi pegang satu posisi, kita selalu berusaha 
untk
> > > > mebenarkan keputusan kita alias menjadi subjective.
> > > >
> > > > Gambar ini membantu kita untuk menjadi objective. Masalahnya
> > > > kadang-kadang investor.trader datang sifat tidak rasionalnya
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Posisi 26 Feb 2007 jam 22:30
> > > >
> > > > * *
> > > >
> > > > *Tin*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Nickel*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Gold*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [image: Live 24 hours gold chart [Kitco Inc.]]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Ratman*
> > > >
> > > > *Now Everyone Can Trade*
> > > >
> > > > *Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No 
for An
> > > > Answer *
> > > >
> > > > *http://www.j-club.biz*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

RE: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Saya inget waktu kita 4  orang  ketemua sianak muda Sudes di La Piazza
Kelapa Gading

 

Pada waktu itu Sudes dengan lantang bilang Go TINS, Go ANTM pada waktu orang
semua bilang saham ini saham tidur

Yang jelas dia lakukan semuanya dengan analisa yang tajam ditinjau dari
segala sisi alias tidak ASBUN

Ada untungnya juga kongkow sana kongkow sini sambil minum kopi denger musik
Jazz di La Piazza.

Ngomong2 kapan kita kongkow2 lagi Sudes?

 

Tapi saya sangat bercita-cita untuk bisa kongkow2 dengan mBah dan Pak FS,
hanya belum kesampaian.

Rasanya lebih mudah ketemu Pak Ery Dirut BEJ daripada ketemu beliau berdua.

 

 

  _  

From: Sudeswanto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:52 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

 

sama, mendingan kita diem aja yah? ^^ hehehehe

 

-Original Message-
From: Santo Vibby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 Februari 2007 16:13
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

Hanya gunakan support dan resistance koq..  saya males kirim chartnya...
publiknya serem.. bener diomelin, salah apalagi..

 

sekelas OD aja sbg analis di suruh tahu malu hehehehhe pdhl OD tidak minta
apa2 dari pembacanya..

 

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- Original Message - 

From: James   Arifin 

To: obrolan-bandar@  yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:57 PM

Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

 

saya sih jujur ajah .. kalau Vibby saya dengar analisanya top habis ...
sayang kalau statementnya nggak didukung ama chart ... baru proven deh.
Memangnya pakai teori TA apa
 

On 2/20/07, Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  biz> 
wrote:


Weleh, di chart saya gerakan TINS perfectly TA koq...  TA yang simple pula..

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: James Arifin   

To: obrolan-bandar@  yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking


 

saya nggak bisa analis lagi ... sudah nggak masuk pakai teori TA, tapi ada
satu teori yang masuk tapi juga nggak sesuai dengan teorinya. 


 

On 2/20/07, rwn.ilkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  com >
wrote: 

Hello James,

Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 3:19:52 PM, you wrote:

jadi analisa TINS gimana?




> edun ... hari ini TINS naik lagi ... kenaikannya makin 
> mengkhawatirkan karena indikator menunjukkan divergensi. Selain itu
> dua gap yang dibuat beberapa waktu lalu di 5900 dan sekitar 8100 
> masih menganga.

> 

>




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[obrolan-bandar] RE: Nickel Advances to a Record in London After Inventories Slump

[Soeratman Doerachman]

No wonder why TINS jumped dramatically on Feb 20th . 

How about INCO on coming Feb 21st? 

 

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From: Soeratman Doerachman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:49 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Nickel Advances to a Record in London After Inventories Slump 

 

Nickel Advances to a Record in London After Inventories Slump 

By Brett Foley

Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Nickel rose to a record in London on speculation that
supply may lag behind demand after stockpiles fell for the first day in 10.
Tin gained to a 17-year high. 

London Metal Exchange-monitored inventories increased 36 metric tons to
4,398 tons, the LME said in a daily report. Stockpiles have dropped 34
percent this year and are equal to less than one day of global consumption.
Demand for the metal is surging among stainless-steel makers. 

Stockpiles are ``critically low'', said Robin Bhar, a London-based metals
analyst with UBS AG, which is a member of the LME. ``This volatile market is
not for the faint-hearted.'' 

Nickel for delivery in three months on the LME advanced as much as $1,100,
or 2.8 percent, to $39,900 a metric ton as of 1:41 p.m. local time, beating
the previous record of $39,501 recorded on Feb. 15. 

Tin rose $200 to $13,400 a ton. Earlier, it gained as much as 1.9 percent to
$13,450 a ton, the highest since at least 1989. Supplies will fall short of
demand by about 30,000 tons in 2007 because of reduced output in Indonesia,
according to a report published yesterday by U.K. consulting companies ITRI
Ltd. and CRU. 

Tin miners have until Feb. 22 to register for the right to export the metal
from Indonesia, the world's second-largest producer. The government plans to
tighten export regulations and crack down on illegal mining. China is the
biggest producer. 

Also on the LME, copper dropped $67 to $5,738 a ton, aluminum fell $24 to
$2,756 and lead gained $35 to $1,815. Zinc declined $42 to $3,350. 

To contact the reporter on this story: Brett Foley in London at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 

Last Updated: February 20, 2007 08:52 EST

 

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[obrolan-bandar] Nickel Advances to a Record in London After Inventories Slump

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Nickel Advances to a Record in London After Inventories Slump 

By Brett Foley

Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Nickel rose to a record in London on speculation that
supply may lag behind demand after stockpiles fell for the first day in 10.
Tin gained to a 17-year high. 

London Metal Exchange-monitored inventories increased 36 metric tons to
4,398 tons, the LME said in a daily report. Stockpiles have dropped 34
percent this year and are equal to less than one day of global consumption.
Demand for the metal is surging among stainless-steel makers. 

Stockpiles are ``critically low'', said Robin Bhar, a London-based metals
analyst with UBS AG, which is a member of the LME. ``This volatile market is
not for the faint-hearted.'' 

Nickel for delivery in three months on the LME advanced as much as $1,100,
or 2.8 percent, to $39,900 a metric ton as of 1:41 p.m. local time, beating
the previous record of $39,501 recorded on Feb. 15. 

Tin rose $200 to $13,400 a ton. Earlier, it gained as much as 1.9 percent to
$13,450 a ton, the highest since at least 1989. Supplies will fall short of
demand by about 30,000 tons in 2007 because of reduced output in Indonesia,
according to a report published yesterday by U.K. consulting companies ITRI
Ltd. and CRU. 

Tin miners have until Feb. 22 to register for the right to export the metal
from Indonesia, the world's second-largest producer. The government plans to
tighten export regulations and crack down on illegal mining. China is the
biggest producer. 

Also on the LME, copper dropped $67 to $5,738 a ton, aluminum fell $24 to
$2,756 and lead gained $35 to $1,815. Zinc declined $42 to $3,350. 

To contact the reporter on this story: Brett Foley in London at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 

Last Updated: February 20, 2007 08:52 EST

 

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RE: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking - Perfect DARVAS Stock

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Pak Thomas

 

I learn a lot from you about Darvas. Presentasi bapak dan pak Busur di
pertemuan kita jadi pegangan puluhan anak-anak yang hadir pada waktu itu
tuh.

Darvas itu sama dengan Candlestick. Dengan pandangan mata aja bisa
kelihatan.

Darvas , candlestick , Support Resistance, MA kalau bisa dikaitkan dengan FA
jadi powerful sekali tuh at least untuk trader.

Jangan sampai kita mengambil keputusan karena dengar " saham A atau B atau C
mau ditarik tuh, ayo rame2 beli" alias analisa yg tidak bertanggung jawab
yang maksudnya hanya mencari makanan  ekstra para Bandar.

 

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From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:11 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking - Perfect
DARVAS Stock

 

Pak Arifin,

 

TINS adalah salah satu saham pilihan Mr Darvas kalau dia masih hidup .,
agak susah dianalisa dengan TA "normal", demikian juga sebaliknya. Jadi
saham-2 model sky rocket seperti TINS, BMTR...biar kita-2 aja yang
menghandel...he3x...

 

Bersama ini saya sertakan Chart TINS.

 

Salam sejahtera,

 

Thomas


 


James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

saya sih jujur ajah .. kalau Vibby saya dengar analisanya top habis ...
sayang kalau statementnya nggak didukung ama chart ... baru proven deh.
Memangnya pakai teori TA apa
 

On 2/20/07, Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  biz> 
wrote:


Weleh, di chart saya gerakan TINS perfectly TA koq...  TA yang simple pula..

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: James Arifin   

To: obrolan-bandar@  yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking


 

saya nggak bisa analis lagi ... sudah nggak masuk pakai teori TA, tapi ada
satu teori yang masuk tapi juga nggak sesuai dengan teorinya. 


 

On 2/20/07, rwn.ilkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  com >
wrote: 

Hello James,

Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 3:19:52 PM, you wrote:

jadi analisa TINS gimana?




> edun ... hari ini TINS naik lagi ... kenaikannya makin 
> mengkhawatirkan karena indikator menunjukkan divergensi. Selain itu
> dua gap yang dibuat beberapa waktu lalu di 5900 dan sekitar 8100 
> masih menganga.

> 

>




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RE: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

[Soeratman Doerachman]

EW kurang laku di saham. Dia laku di Index, Futures dan Forex.

Saham pada nggak mau di EW. Kehandalan EW di saham sangat rendah sekali.

 

Why? Logis saja karena Index, Forex maupun Futiues market participant nya
jauh lebih banyak jadi perilaku nya representative untuk di EW.

 

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From: Eddy S. Purnomo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:23 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

 

 

Mau di EW, wave countingnya complex banget yah.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: James   Arifin 

To: obrolan-bandar@  yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

 

saya nggak bisa analis lagi ... sudah nggak masuk pakai teori TA, tapi ada
satu teori yang masuk tapi juga nggak sesuai dengan teorinya. 


 

On 2/20/07, rwn.ilkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  com>
wrote: 

Hello James,

Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 3:19:52 PM, you wrote:

jadi analisa TINS gimana?




> edun ... hari ini TINS naik lagi ... kenaikannya makin
> mengkhawatirkan karena indikator menunjukkan divergensi. Selain itu
> dua gap yang dibuat beberapa waktu lalu di 5900 dan sekitar 8100 
> masih menganga.

> 

>




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RE: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Wah.

 

Vibby jadi jual mahal ni yee. BTW, happy big cuan hari ini.

Betul juga anda Vib, hati2 posting, karena bisa saja posting anda dengan
mudah dibalikin oleh Demon and Devil lalu reputasi anda jeblok nanti.

Aku jadi inget waktu anda bilah PGAS atau IHSG akan terjun bebas. Banyak
yang maki2 anda

Lebih baik diem2 aja. Kirim aja pake sms terutama kalo ke saya he3x.

You have proved that TA works well without disregarding FA and others

 

Ini sih hanya nasehat dari orang tua ke anak muda. Be humble and avoid
arrogance 

 

Good luck

 

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From: Santo Vibby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:13 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

 

Hanya gunakan support dan resistance koq..  saya males kirim chartnya...
publiknya serem.. bener diomelin, salah apalagi..

 

sekelas OD aja sbg analis di suruh tahu malu hehehehhe pdhl OD tidak minta
apa2 dari pembacanya..

 

SV

www.j-club.biz 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: James   Arifin 

To: obrolan-bandar@  yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:57 PM

Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking

 

saya sih jujur ajah .. kalau Vibby saya dengar analisanya top habis ...
sayang kalau statementnya nggak didukung ama chart ... baru proven deh.
Memangnya pakai teori TA apa
 

On 2/20/07, Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  biz> 
wrote:


Weleh, di chart saya gerakan TINS perfectly TA koq...  TA yang simple pula..

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: James Arifin   

To: obrolan-bandar@  yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TINS - makin rawan profit taking


 

saya nggak bisa analis lagi ... sudah nggak masuk pakai teori TA, tapi ada
satu teori yang masuk tapi juga nggak sesuai dengan teorinya. 


 

On 2/20/07, rwn.ilkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  com >
wrote: 

Hello James,

Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 3:19:52 PM, you wrote:

jadi analisa TINS gimana?




> edun ... hari ini TINS naik lagi ... kenaikannya makin 
> mengkhawatirkan karena indikator menunjukkan divergensi. Selain itu
> dua gap yang dibuat beberapa waktu lalu di 5900 dan sekitar 8100 
> masih menganga.

> 

>




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[obrolan-bandar] RE: [Wan_AL] formula untuk metastock

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Dear Hotma

 

Mungkin akan lebih baik permintaannya harus ditambah kondisinya seperti
berapa poin atau berapa persen turunnya dalam setiap hari

 

Coba bandingak antara saham yang turun  5 hari berturut-turut tapi hanya
turun satu poin setiap hari dengan saham yang sekaligus turun 5 poin dalam
sehari 

 

Bagi swing trader kondisi yang saya sebutkan diatas akan sangat membantu
sekali.

 

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From: Hotma Sirait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:18 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Wan_AL] formula untuk metastock

 

bapak/ibu yang baik,

mau tanya bagaimana caranya untuk mendapatkan saham-saham apa saja di bej
yang dalam 3 atau 5 hari terakhir harganya turun terus (formula untuk
metastock-nya bagaimana ya) ? kalau ada formula metastock-nya tolong di-send
ya. formula yang lain juga boleh biar banyak formulanya dan bisa scan
seluruh saham bej sekaligus dengan menggunakan formula metastock tsb.
sebelum dan sesudahnya kami ucapkan terimakasih.

regards,

hotma sirait
baru_belajar_metastock

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RE: [obrolan-bandar] FW: (OOT) Panduan Sederhana Menghadapi Banjir

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Kebanyakan sumbangan drop sana drop sini pake mie instant.

Makanya laku, penjualan naik. Pemegang INDF menghrapka banjir berlanjut he3x

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:09 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] FW: (OOT) Panduan Sederhana Menghadapi Banjir

 

Pang nanya donk, klo lg bencana. mie instant, ngaruh gak? kayaknya jalannya
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: CTRA, will be out its base today?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Amazing BUSUR

Good to have you in our Club.
TA? It works very well
When can you share your knowledge again with us Pak?
We will be having event "Learn from the Masters" next February.
Looking forward to seeing you there. 

Btw, your Darvas Box presentation amazed our club members. They were 
very happy. They have learned a lot from you.

How about the  book "Trade Your Way To Finacial Freedom from Van 
Tharp" I sent you? Have you read it?

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> CTRA telah lama gerak dikisaran 800-850,hari ini aqkan mencoba 
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[obrolan-bandar] RE: LINDUNGI MODAL - Workshop

[Soeratman Doerachman]

J-Club tidak akan mengecewakan para peminat "LINDUNGI MODAL"  workshop
karena pada acara tersebut kita akan belajar   bagaiman para master trader
atau new master trader mengelola uang serta resiko mereka dalam trading.

 

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Alumni
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gains 51% within last January. J-Club Alumni
*   And learn from me who try to teach you "Doing Right Things Right
from the Very Beginning". J-Club Founders

 

Do not miss J-Club workshop otherwise you will left behind,  on Feb 16th
2007 in Planet BizCafe Mega Kuningan Jakarta from 18:00 to 21:00

 

Free of charge

 

Didalam  workshop tersebut kita akan membahas isu-isu sebagai berikut:

 

*   Apa itu Reward Risk Ratio 
*   Beberapa cara cara menentukan stop loss 
*   Berapa lot  sepantasnya kita ambil dalam  setiap transaksi dikaitkan
dengan jumlah modal kita 
*   Apa yang dimaksud dengan 2% rule dan apa yang dimaksud dengan 6%
rule seperti apa yang diajarkan Alexander Elder atau Van Tharp dalam
buku-bukunya yang terkenal didunia. 
*   Dan banyak lagi 

 

Protect your capital to gain from the market,

 

 

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From: Soeratman Doerachman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:15 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: LINDUNGI MODAL - Workshop

 

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[obrolan-bandar] Kemungkinan2 untuk champion -TINS

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Posting ini hanya  untuk momentum trader. Investor silahkan mengambil cara
yang lain.

 

Kemungkina2 bagi si Champion (TINS) dalam 5 hari terakhit

 

*   Bagi yang belum memiliki posisi:

*   Fundamentally masih in good shape. Buy karena takut ketinggalan
kereta api dengan kemungkinan  jadi si OON
*   Sabar menunggu koreksi

*   Bagi yang telah memiliki posisi:

*   Jual separo dan separo lagi let profit run plus trailing stop
*   Seluruhnya let profit run dengan trailing stop
*   Tambah posis dengan melakukan average up dengan trailing stop
*   Sell - karena selama 5 hari terakhir telah profit 31%. Rawan Profit
taking.

 

Terserah, anda mau pilih menu yang mana dengan menghitung untung dan ruginya

 

Analisa tidak pakai TA maupun FA. Cukup lihat figure dibawah ini. Yang
menunjukan 

perubahan harga harian s/d 5 hari

 



 

 

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[obrolan-bandar] PGAS - SHOOTING STAR

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Trailing Stop saya di PGAS telah tersentuh setelah average up kemarin.
Profit Protected

 

Gap yg terjadi hari ini nampaknya "Exhausting Gap". Rupanya masih banyak yg
belum percaya pada PGAS akibat pengalaman jelek minggu yang lalu . Jadi PGAS
cepet lelah, baru nanjak sedikit sudah ngos2an (exhausted).

 

Kalau saja ada fasilitasnya maka saya siap NGESHORT PGAS karena ada SHOOTING
STAR

 

The Beauty of Swing Trading or Trade the Moves

 

This posting valid for traders only and Disclaimer On

 

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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg INCO ?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Ini hanya pendapat sederhana saya

 

Para trader yg sudah beli beberapa hari yang lalu sudah pada horny mau
profit taking dan hari ini mereka melepaskannya dengan puas hari ini  karena
sudah untung guede

 

Beware of rally within days in a row. It will invite the traders to dump
their inventory they bought before. It will create "correction" in price
even though fundamentally the stock still in good shape.

 

Remember that traders take decisions differently compare to investors.
Mereka lebih nggak sabaran dibandingkan investors. Cuan udah cukup langsung
mereka jual dan bilang sedap

 

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From: Oskar Syahbana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:11 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg INCO ?

 

Hehehe sama, saya juga bertanya-tanya :)

On 1/24/07, Investor Bonex mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
yahoo.com> wrote: 

Nickel sentuh harga tertinggi, tapi knp INCO justru short ?

Ngelabui investor cilik ?

INCO uda kemahalan ?

technical profit taking ?

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Please send private messages to iservasia[at]gmail.com 

 

[obrolan-bandar] FW: [junior_Trader] FW: IT'S AMAZING

[Soeratman Doerachman]

 

 

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From: Santo Vibby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [junior_Trader] FW: IT'S AMAZING

 

Catetan dikit utk sedikit berbagi hati yg lagi hepi aja hehehe.. today i
increase my profits to 57% withiin 4 days along with v-trade members that
doing live trading with me almost have the same average profits ...
hek..hek..hek..

 

P' Ali sadikin ... here i come :D

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Budi K <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: junior_Trader@ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:53 AM

Subject: Re: [junior_Trader] FW: IT'S AMAZING

 

berarti , mending, pegang uang , cash ya, pak untuk muterrin di next trade ,
daripada melongo ngitungin loss

 he he 

 

regards

Budi 

alisa diki n mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
astra-honda.com> wrote:

he...he...

seharusnya yang sudah ikut KDT dan kursus yang lain juga dapat take profit
lebih dari itu

apa lagi para suhu..., enggak kebayang deh...sekali pencet enter itu artinya
profit !

tapi yang jelas, kalau hanya ikut kursus tanpa mau mengasah kamampuan
trading akan sulit 

yang jelas semua tools yang dimiliki trader sama, memperoleh jenis kursus
yang sama

hanya tinggal bagaimana menjadikan semua yang sudah kita miliki menjadi
senjata yang ampuh

 

(pada kursus swing trading tgl 13 jan 07 ada yang bertanya ke saya tentang
cut loss)

menurut saya, cut loss adalah sebuah senjata ampuh yang harus menjadi
andalan swing trader

tapi disini bukan sekedar cut loss, harus ada perhitungan atau managemen cut
loss 

tgl 12 jan 07 saya cut loss BLTA  hampir 8jt...tapi gak apa-apa karena
sesudah saya cut loss

saya punya modal lebih dari cukup untuk take profit pada hari itu 2,5 x Rp
cut loss yang saya lakukan

rugi ? jelas tidak !

bearish market we must still take profit !!!

eyang ratman...i love your cut loss !!!

 

 

alisa

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Santo Vibby <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: junior_Trader@ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [junior_Trader] FW: IT'S AMAZING

 

Hehehe... saya hanya beruntung eyang can make 49% within 3 days, karena
doin' a ot of homeworks dan sedikit tertantang dengan testimonila P' Ali
Sadikin waktu seminar Swing kemarin, masa guru kalah ama murid profitsnya ??
hehehehe 

 

FYI P'Ali Sadikin make profts 900% within 2 years berkat awalnya ikutan KDT
dan selalu daftar pada semua Kursus2 yg diadakan oleh J-club lho... prestasi
yang sangat menantang utk dikejar bukan ? hehehe

 

SV

www.J-Club.biz <http://www.j-club.biz/>  

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Soeratman Doerachman <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: junior_Trader@ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:41 PM

Subject: [junior_Trader] FW: IT'S AMAZING

 

Dengan ceritera dibawah ini maka program-program pelatihan J-Club patut
diperhitungkan.

 

Jadi jangan ketinggalan untuk mengikuti program-program J-Club

 

*   KDT 
*   Candlesticks 
*   KDM 
*   KAM 
*   KST 

 

Menyusul Kursus Money and Risk Management

 

DO NOT MISS OUR J-CLUB TRAINING PROGRAM. BE THE WINNER NOT THE LOSSER

 


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From: Soeratman Doerachman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:37 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: IT'S AMAZING

 

Dear Vibby

 

Glad to hear that your Swing Trading gives you profit 49% within only within
last 3 days

That's amazing.

Also congrats to Swing Trading Alumni who shares with Vibby big profit for
the last 3 days.

 

Swing Trading? It works whether in bullish time as well as in bearish.

Candlesticks? It works very well

 

It's good to have you in our courses.

 

You start your TRADING FOR A LIVING hah

 

Good luck

 

 

 



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[obrolan-bandar] IT'S AMAZING

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Dear Vibby

 

Glad to hear that your Swing Trading gives you profit 49% within only within
last 3 days

That's amazing.

Also congrats to Swing Trading Alumni who shares with Vibby big profit for
the last 3 days.

 

Swing Trading? It works whether in bullish time as well as in bearish.

Candlesticks? It works very well

 

It's good to have you in our courses.

 

You start your TRADING FOR A LIVING hah

 

Good luck

 

 

 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS juga kena denda COPI?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

*   20 tahun kedepan ngebor di planet lain
*   20 tahun kedepan bikin barang substitusi
*   20 tahun kedepan bikin produk baru
*   20 tahun kedepan pindah ke bisnis lain
*   Dan banyak lagi

 

Begitulah hendaknya perusahaan di lola. Perusahaan-perusahan yang tidak
berinovasi akan jadi fosil. Perusahan yg penuh dengan inovasi akan terus
berkibar.

 

Sekedar pemikiran cetek saya.

 

  _  

From: Agus Partono [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:14 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS juga kena denda COPI?

 

Setelah 20 th ke depan???
Jualan besi dan pipa bekas...

Apakah anda bisa pula bayangkan apa yg akan dilakukan oleh BP, 
ExxonMobil, Chevron dlm 20 th ke depan??? Tapi kenapa skr orang2 masih 
menghargai premium stocknya?

--- In obrolan-bandar@ 
yahoogroups.com, "James Arifin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Khan saya memang bilang kontraknya 20 tahun, yang saya masalahkan 
setelah
> itu karena prinsip harus going concern artinya PGAS sudah harus mikir 
mau
> apa 20 tahun mendatang.
> 
> On 1/17/07, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 

 

[obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX SENIN NAIK

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Selesai dari Sentral pada bilang yahut buanget ST starteginya Vib
Banyak  yang telpon hari ini pada cuan besar  dg memakai  taktik yg 
mereka dapat di sentral. Congrats
Tapi jangan  takabur. Pasar nggak suka sama yg takabur. Dia bisa 
berubah menjadi keji dan kejam.




--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Santo Vibby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> hehehhee... P' Eddy Purnomo jg cuan gede tuh.. sabtu lalu kita 
bahas soal PGAS di Htl Sentral  jg sambil ngeroko di lift kaya anak 
SMP .. congrats ya bro.. 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Eddy S. Purnomo 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:16 AM
>   Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX 
SENIN NAIK
> 
> 
> 
>   Itu bukan nangkep pisau jatoh namanya. Itu namanya mungut pisau 
yang udah jatuh, jadi yang dipegang gagangnya pisau bukan bagian 
yang tajamnya.
> 
> 
> 
>   .
>

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Fw: Press Release PGN - PGN Clarification on Rumors

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Apapun press release nya maka bergelimpanganlah yang berani-beraninya
menangkap pisau jatuh

Sudah beberapa hari J-Club posting berdasarkan TA agar para member jangan
sampai menangkap pisau jatuh meskipun di milis sebelah banyak yg mencoba
mengajak buy PGA, buy PGAS.

 

PGAS bukan menjadi pisau jatuh lagi pada hari ini,  melainkan sudah menjadi
BOM JATUH.

 

Swing Trader? Semua selamat - Senin buy 10750  Selasa sell 11.000. Setelah
itu pada tiarap sabar menunggu.

 

Price discount everything and TA can detect it.

 

Tapi saat ini PGAS bagus bagi orang-orang yg bepenyakit takut ketinggian
(vertigo). Hanya saja sekali lancung ke ujian seumur hiduo tidak akan
dipercaya.

 

Sungguh sangat sedih mendengar teman-teman meminta nasihat"eyang, PGAS saya
harus diapakan nih?" Waktu saya tanya di berapa belinya maka saya hanya
geleng kepala dan dan saya berkata bahwa saya tidak dapat menjawabnya
keculai hanya bisa berkata "JADI SAJA INVETOR KACILAKAAN"

 

Guys. Coba camkan ini benar-benar. Kalau anda ingin menjadi trader jadilah
trade yg konsekuen. Jangan akhirnya mengaku jadi investor hanya karena ada
saham nyangkut yang ruginya besar sekali.

 

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From: Giri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:06 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Fw: Press Release PGN - PGN Clarification on
Rumors

 

 

 

 

  _  

From: Andrey Wijaya 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:53 PM
To: Sales & Dealer Jakarta Users; Sales & Dealer Surabaya Users
Subject: FW: Press Release PGN - PGN Clarification on Rumors

Newest press release from PGAS.

 

 

Regards,

Andrey Wijaya

Equity Analyst

PT Kim Eng Securities

P. 62 21 3983 1457

F. 62 21 3983 1362

 

 

  _  

From: PGN-Investor Relations [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Press Release PGN - PGN Clarification on Rumors

PGN'S PRESS RELEASE - PGN Clarification on Rumors

Dear Sirs and Madams,

Please find the attached PGN's Press Release regarding the rumors on market

Regards,

 

Investor Relations


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Jakarta 11140
Tel: +62 21 633 4838 / 4848 Ext. 4332
Fax: +62 21 633 3080 

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Jakarta 11140
Tel: +62 21 633 4838 / 4848 Ext. 4332
Fax: +62 21 633 3080 

 

[obrolan-bandar] Apa yang saya heran ttg Santo Vibby?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Yang saya heran ramalan dukun kita Santo Vibby ttg PGAS dan IHSG ternyata
terjadi padahal dia lihatnya betul-betul hanya dari TA.

 

Lihat saja posting-posting dia ttg GAP pada IHSG yang mengatakan GAP 1683
akan ditutup serta Descending Triangle pada PGAS yg mengatakan PGAS akan ke
6600.

 

Ratman

Now Everyone Can Trade

Believe The Unbelievable,Dream The Impossible, Don't Take No for An Answer

http://www.j-club.biz

 

[obrolan-bandar] Iseng2 bandingkan kinerja sektor

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Sambil menunggu beduk berbunyi iseng-iseng bandingkan
kinerja sector

Ayo jangan salah plih.

 



 

 




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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Belajar dari awal banget

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Dulu ada buku Analisa
Teknikal karangan Lany Salim di Gramedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia. Isinya lengkap
sekali. Tapi tidak tau mengapa sekarang hilang dari peredaran.

Kalau karangan Bung Vibby
khusus ttg candlestics yg merupakan salah satu disiplin ilmu TA

 









From: Cubit Aja
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006
2:19 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar]
Belajar dari awal banget



 









Bukunya bung Vibby dong, tuh di gramedia TA ada. Bahasa
indonesia and terjangkau lagi.





 







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From: Prince APP 





To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com






Sent: Saturday, October
07, 2006 8:02 PM





Subject: [obrolan-bandar]
Belajar dari awal banget





 





kalo saya
mau belajar TA dari awal..dimana yah bagus? .harap sesepuh memberi pencerahan
untuk novice ini.










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[obrolan-bandar] FW: Penglaman Van Tharp

[Soeratman Doerachman]

 



Siapa Trader
di dunia yg tidak mengenal Van Tharp?  Berikuti ini pengalaman dia waktu
ybs sebagai pemula dan selanjutnya dia memberikan nasihat melalui 6 Goden Riles
of Tradingnya



 

In 1962, when I was 16 years old,
I bought 100 shares of an $8 stock that, according to F o r t u n e Magazine, had the highest earnings per share growth of any company during
the prior 12 months. It proceeded to shoot up to $20 per share over the next
six months. I then watched it fall to zero over the next three years. I even
bought more when it fell to $6 per share. In the end, I lost $1,400, which was
a lot of money for a teenager in the early 60s. What’s the moral? Most
people would say that I simply picked the wrong stock.  After all, I could
have invested $1400 in Berkshire Hathaway in 1964 and today my investment would
be worth over $5 million. However, for every Berkshire Hathaway stock, there
are thousands of start-up companies that go bankrupt — just like the one
I bought. The stock did go up 250 percent after I bought it, but I made six major mistakes — errors repeated frequently by most traders and investors — and those mistakes resulted in a 100-percent loss. Correcting these
mistakes can actually result
in a new way of thinking about markets and investing. This thinking allows you
to always look at each trade in terms of its risk-reward ratio and it helps you
focus on the most important aspect
of trading: “how much,” also known as position sizing. The mistakes
most people make over and over again represent the six Golden Rules of Trading.

 

1.
Never open a position in the market without knowing your initial risk

2.
Think in terms of R-multiples

3.
Cut your losses short and let y o u r profits run

4.
Understand your trading system as a distribution of R-multiples

5. Understand
the importance of position-sizing

6.
Have core objectives for your trading

 

Akan
disinggung juga dalam Kursus Dasar Trading 11 Nopember 2006

 

 

 




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FW: [junior_Trader] RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Data PGAS di JSX - Money Don't Lie....

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Saya pernah ngobrol tentang bertaruh main
 golf dengan Pak Sim (Dirut PN GAS) dan salah satu Komisi Audit
(perusahaannya nggak usah saya beritahu karena a nggak enak kalau diberitahukan).











Dalam obrolan tsb kita argue ttg target
harga PGAS. Si Komite Audit bilang ke 15.000 akhir tahun. Pak Sim bilang ke
18.000. (Ini bukan insider
trading karena saya yakin Pak Sim pun tidak akan bisa menentukan harga.
Marketlah yg menentuka harga)

Yg jelas PGAS  adalah the best emiten
pada tahun ini. But again Best Emiten tidak menentukan harga. Marketlah yg
menentukan

 









From: redyherinantoalb
[mailto:redyherinan[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006
12:11 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Data
PGAS di JSX - Money Don't Lie



 







Saya
yakin pak Washington juga beli atas nama istri, anak, tete, aa, 
dll (jd kayak iklan kijang neh), dan jumlah nya mungkin lebih besar 
lagi... :) seperti kasus BLTA... legal insider udah masuk... so 
takut apa... mending pelan2 tapi pasti drpd cepat2 tapi rugi
Terimakasih infonya pak Widhie

Redy 
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
"Widhie !!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Beberapa waktu lalu, seingat saya, WMP Simanjuntak - PresDir PGAS, 
baru
> memiliki 2 juta saham PGAS.
> Ternyata data terbaru di server JSX menunjukkan bahwa saat ini dia 
sudah
> memiliki 2.5 juta saham.
> 
> Dengan demikian :
> 
> Short/medium term TA bilang : bullish/bearish (indecision)
> 
> Medium term FA (khususnya William J O'neill's CANSLIM ) bilang : 
BULLISH !!!
> 
> Boss PGAS 'bilang' : BULLISH !!!
> Terkait dengan rencana divestasi, maka 'MONEY'S STATEMENT' -nya 
boss PGAS
> ini berlaku untuk medium term.
> Tapi jika target divestasi, seperti ditulis beberapa sekuritas, 
adalah 17000
> - 21000, maka perlu waktu untuk 'merayap' dari posisi harga 
sekarang, Rp.
> 12000, ke Rp. 21000 (tidak mungkin harganya loncat kan?). Dengan 
demikian, bisa
> jadi berlaku juga untuk SHORT TERM.
> 
> rgds
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[obrolan-bandar] Candlesticks dan pramugari

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Sebagai yang suka trading saya selalu
melihat Candlesticks formation pattern dulu. Ada yg menarik? Maka saya melihat
indicator lain untuk konfirmasi

And it works

Candlesticks work very well on short term
trading at least base on my experience,

 

Ini pengalaman saya ngetest calon
pramugari:

 


 Saya lihat cantiknya dulu (Good
 looking, berat badan dan tinggi badan yag proporsional). Ini sama dengan
 Candlesticknya
 Setelah itu saya test yg
 lain2nya sebagi indikator2 lain yg memberikan konfirmasi.
 
  Personality
  Attitude dan aptitude
  IQ
  Kesehatan
 


 

So? Why do not buy Book “When to Buy
and Sell Candlesticks Can Tell”. Wah jadi promosiin bukunya Vibby nih

 









From: Stock Trader
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006
10:57 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [junior_Trader] Re: [obrolan-bandar]
Kasus PGAS ditutup



 







Yang
bikin aku masih terkagum-kagum nih adalah bung vb benar-benar menunjukkan angka
12.000 sebagai batas max kenaikan dalam reboundnya
When to SELL ? Candlestick really-really can TELL !!

Sudah terbukti berkali-kali koq akurasi postingan bung vb, contohnya waktu itu
aku ngikutin postingan minggu lalu di rallynya BMRI yang disuruh buy di 2200
dan SELL at 2400, Betulan pas di 2400 BMRInya rontok kebawah. Juga waktu di
INDF, BNGA, banyak deh.

Trus beliau jg menyinggung bahwa UNSP tidak akan bisa lewat dari 890 waktu di
KDT, eh beneran tidak pernah lewat tuh.

Dalam studi PGAS kemarin aku sempat beli sebelum postingan peringatan beliau di
12.050 (ngikutin postingan temen yang bilang mau naik) Tapi ternyata PGAS bikin
jantungan ke 11.650,  Nah waktu baca postingan bung vb bahwa resisten di
12.000,- aku berhasil meminimalkan kerugian saya dengan cut loss di 12.000,-
istilahnya jika tidak salah sell on strength ya. Perkara PGAS mau tetap naik
atau tidak, aku merasa itu urusan belakang deh yang penting secure positions
dulu, toh tidak ada yang pernah bisa tau bursa mau kemana koq

Bung Vb, selain berterimakasih atas analisa anda, aku mau ucapin salam kagum
luar biasa, ternyata when to BUY and SELL, candlestick REALLY can TELL. pls
dont stop posting your analisyst.

Saran aku buat pak widi atau lain-lainnya, aku mohon maaf sebelumnya tanpa
maksud menyinggung, tapi mendingan anda ke gramedia aja beli bukunya beliau,
buku tersebut betul-betul wajib anda miliki, karena setau aku nih, aku tidak
pernah baca postingan anda yang bisa bermanfaat dan bisa membantu dalam milis
ini, dan anda-anda sepertinya berhutang maaf kepada beliau.

Maaf jika kata-kata kurang berkenan, tapi kan kasihan beliau sudah cape-cape
memberikan peringatan yang benar aja di salahin, apalagi kalo salah ?








Effendy Ang
gmail.com> wrote:





 



Mohon bung Stock Trader menghentikan
pernyataan tak ilmiah seperti ini :





Bung Vibby, anda MEMANG SAKTI !!!
PARA ANTI TA bertekuk lutut bungkam seribu bahasa !!! Tidak ada yg berkoar2
lagi







 





 





Selain itu, pendapat kita masing masing,
saya rasa bisa juga terdistorsi, karena kita pegang PGAS yang banyak, 





Jadi ketika ada orang lain yang bilang
short dan segala pendukungnya, emosi kita bisa saja muncul.





 





Yang penting saling sharing info, itu yang
paling penting di obrolan Bandar ini.





 





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[obrolan-bandar] Tidak ada saham yg tahan banting even Bluechip

[Soeratman Doerachman]

ASII tgl  19 April 2006  13050,   14 Juni 2006 8850

 

TLKM  10 Mei 2006  8500, 13 Juni 2006    6650

 

ANTM  27 April  2006    6300, 14 Juni 2006 3525

 

PGAS 13 Agustus 2006  13550,
selanjutnya ???

 

Keadaan yg sama bisa terjadi pada
saham manapun

 

Adakah yg saham yg sombong bahwa dia
tidak akan pernah jatuh?  Yg sombong adalah yg sudah kadung megang
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[obrolan-bandar] Dinamika Milis

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Saya mengikuti posting-posting yang terakhir dari milis ini
sampai mBah mengeluarkan Cooling Down Posting.

Saran saya jadikanlah ketidak sepakatan antar kita bukan sebagai
pertentangan melainkan kita anggap sebagai khasanah dinamika yg memperkaya
pandangan-pandangan di milis ini.

 

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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Tgl 13 di Bizcafe

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Mr FS

We'd love to have you on 13th in Bizcafe.To share your knowledge to 
us



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hello...
>   firt i am not an expert..and never felt expertthere are many 
others in this universe that their expertize is beyond my 
knowledge...
>   anyway, if we are looking at chart..we will find that there has 
been some minority movements in the triangle basis, which could show 
that correction will continue to test 1425 level as the first 
support level, while the second one is seen at 1396...
>   frantically, some stocks have been oversold at this levels of 
index as we are now basing the target prices based on the 
porspective earnings of 2007, not 2006...
>   blta: best buy at 1,950
>   UNSP: 830
>   CTRA: 520-530
>   PTBA: 3,325
>   ANTM: 5,200
>   BNGA: 650
>   disclaimer, thou...
>
>   
> 
> Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Experts...
>
>   Mohon untuk berbagi hasil dari "Pembicaraan Tingkat Tinggi" ini, 
maklum saya tinggal di seberang, I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone 
that suffering on this Bloody Market...
>
>   rgds-
>
>   note : Mr Frederick, kira2 JCI falling down sampe seberapa jauh 
neh ?. Bisa share range price emiten ini :
>   BLTA, UNSP, CTRA, PTBA, ANTM, BNGA
>   thanks berat yach-
> 
> Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Eyang...
>   bolehkah saya hadirsaya janji hanya akan mendengar semua
>   thanks...
> 
> Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Saya nggak tahu berapa orang yang mau hadir.
>   Tapi saya akan stand by disana jam 19:00. Biasanya ada 5 
orangpun kita jalan
>   Mari kita sharing vision dan sharing idea.
>   Kalu mBah sampai hadir, waduh bakal gemeteran saya bisa ketemua 
orang yg say respect selama ini.
>   Terlampir denah BizCafe
>
>   
> -
>   
>   From: A3K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [junior_Trader] RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: 
Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical
> 
>
>   
>   Saya mau hadir mas …. Dan saya juga tahu posisi café tsb.
>   Kalo bisa Embah juga muncul dong …. Mumpung pasar lagi crash, 
kayaknya perlu teman utk sharing vision.
>   
>   Arie
>   
>   
>   
> -
>   
>   From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Soeratman Doerachman
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:34 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, 
Fundamental & Technical
> 
>   
>   Pak Oentoeng
>   
>   Kebetulan kita mau ngumpul-ngumpul bersama temana-teman 
(biasanya kita ngumpul2 sekita 8-15 orang).
>   Acara ngumpul-ngumpul berikutnya adalh tgl 13 September malam di 
BizCafe Mega Kuningan (karena ada internetnya, LCD projektor layar 
dll)
>   Materi yg akan digunjingkan „SAHAM NYANGKUT" 
>   Sebetulnya bagi trader maupun isnvestor seharusnya tidak ada 
istilah „NYANGKUT"
>   Mengapa demikian?  Karena menurut pendapat saya: 
> 
>Bagi  investor tidak ada istilah nyangkut selama proses 
pemilihan sahamnya dijalankan secara benar seperti Warren Buffet 
yang tidak perduli apakah harga saham akan naik atau turun karena 
dia tidak membeli saham melainkan membeli „perusahaan"  yang dia 
anggap layak untuk dibeli sesuai dengan kriteria-kriteria dia dan 
dia simpan dalam jangka panjang.   
>Bagi trader istilah nyangkutpun sebenarnya tidak seharusnya ada 
selama dia disiplin terhadap trading plan yg telah dia siapkan 
sebelumnya  (Entry, Exit, Stop Loss, Trailing stop dll)  
>
>   Kita akan bicara masalh „NYANGKUT" karena:
> 
>Banyak diantara kita yang menganggap diri kita investor setelah 
terjadi sebuah  „KECELAKAAN ". Beli saham dengan harapan  dalam 
jangka pendek harga sahamnya akan naik. Dalam kenyataan harga nya 
turun drastis sedrastis-drastisnya dan selanjutnya didiamkan dan 
untuk menghibur diri dengan berkata „ah saya kan investor" dan 
selanjutnay penuh berharap harga akan naik lagi).   
>Banyak diantara kita para trader (termasuk pengalaman saya 
he3x, ngaku aja deh) yg lupa terhadap trading plan kita(atau tidak 
lupa karena memang tidak pernah membuatnya) sheingga membiarkan 
kerrudian yang berlarut-larut.
>   
>„NYANGKUT" menurut pendapat saya akan sangat berhubungan dengan 
proses   bagaimana kita melaksanakan pemilihan  secara fundamental, 
teknikal maupun psikologis. Apakah telah memenuhi norma-nor

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the NATURE

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Ironi memang
Semua mengatakan nobody can predict where the market is going to go
tomorrow, next week , next month or next year
Tapi banyak diantara kita yang tetap mecoba untuk membikin analisa kemana
market akan  pergi pada hari esok bukan untuk melawan market melainkan untuk
mempersiapkan diri apa yang harus kita lakukanberdasarkan nalar kita
dengan memperhitungkan segala situasi serta kondisi yang ada. Hal ini
diperlukan terutama untuk mempersiapkan diri apa yang akan kita lakukan jika
market sesuai dengan perhitungan kita dan juga mempersiapk diri jika market
ternyata tidak setuju dengan pendapat kita. Pernyataan the market is always
right bukanlah pernyataan pasrah   melainkan pernyataan yang harus mendorong
kita untuk berbuat sesuatu in order to be always survive  dalam keadaan
market yang bagaimanapun.

Jadi disregard apakah kita besok akan dibantai oleh Bandar, akan digorok
oleh si bugil,   tidak ada salahnya  kita tetap membikin
perhitungan-perhitungan termasuk yang dilakukan oleh Pak Tasrul


-Original Message-
From: jsx_consultant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:27 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the NATURE

Kita sama sama belajar pak.

Dari segi ilmu bandarmologi, AALI diturunin untuk NAKUT NAKUTI
pasar. Sampe berapa dituruninnya CUMAN bandar yang TAU...

Ketika pak Tasrul mau mendemontrasikan analisa linier pada saham
AALI, embah pikir pak Tasrul YAKIN BANGET dengan AALI, makanya
embah tanya ama pak Tasrul

Coba kita liat besok aja pak

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 , "Tasrul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Analisa saya simple aja kok mbah (namanya juga masih belajar), 
meskipun sepertinya canggih menurut mbah,justru saya lagi nunggu nih 
biar dihajar bandar, bukannya makin ketahuan belangnya ? dan saya 
tingal menunggu market timing yang tepat aja.Bagi saya selalu ada 
kesempatan meskipun dihajar bandar, yang penting disiplin dengan 
horizon investasi dan tentunya juga dengan dana yang tersedia kan 
mbah.Boleh dong tahu target beli dan jualnya Mbah, sekalian target 
IHSG minggu ini kalau bisa lengkap dengan analisa bandarmologinya, 
ayo dong biar kita bisa belajar juga nih..(japri juga boleh mbah,saya 
janji nggak publish di millis kok...) dan akhir minggu ini kita bisa 
analisa lagi, bukan begitu cara belajar yang bagus Mbah biar kita 
tahu kesalahan kita dimana..
> 
> 
> 
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  on behalf of jsx_consultant
> Sent: Sun 9/10/2006 5:23 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 
> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the 
NATURE
> 
> 
> 
> Pak Tasrul,
> 
> Harga saham AALI lagi jatuh seperti FALLING KNIFE, AALI
> pada hari Jumat turun -200 dengan volume 600% lebih BESAR
> dibanding hari sebelumnya dengan GAP PULA..
> 
> Anggaplah embah percaya ama analisa anda, pada harga berapa
> embah mulai beli dan berapa target jualnya. Investor katanya
> boleh main jika Reward dibanding Risknya minimal 3 banding 1.
> Is it rewarding ?.
> 
> Selain itu berapa MAXIMUM lot yg embah boleh beli mengingat
> volume perdagangan AALI biasanya sekitar 2 miliar. Jika embah
> beli 10% dari TOTAL volume perdagangan atau 200 juta, apakah
> ENGGA KEGEDEAN ?. atau cukup 1% saja yaitu 20 juta mengingat
> Analisa pak Tasrul yang SEPERTInya canggih akan memancing
> member dimilis ini akan IKUT BELI. DAN ini bisa MEMANCING bandar
> untuk MENGHAJARnya
> 
> Mungkin yang lain mau kasih komentar selain pak Tasrul ?.
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 , "Tasrul"  wrote:
> >
> > Mbah,
> > 
> > Tapi saya juga melihat sebenarnya, pasar juga dapat diterangkan
> dengan hal dapat dterangkan dengan "linear" yang penting adalah kita
> tahu starting pointnya dan disiplin dengan horizon investasi, saya
> coba saja masuk ke contoh kasus AALI deh..attachment berikut hanya
> suatu wacana yang simple dan barangkali harus diuji lagi.
> > Untuk pembuktiannya kita lihat aja AALI minggu ini.
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  on behalf of Embah
> > Sent: Sun 9/10/2006 9:51 AM
> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ;
> saham@yahoogroups.com  
> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the 
NATURE
> >
> >
> >
> > Teori Financial Chaos: Ilmu Back to the NATURE
> >
> >
> > Embah MENCOBA memberi KOMENTAR atas buku trading Chaosnya
> > Bill William:
> >
> > Bertambah bernapsu embah untuk MENGKRITIK Bill William, bertambah
> > menyerap teori Chaos kedalam kepala embah. Chaos didalam kamus
> > berarti COMPLETE DISORDER. Tapi 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Pak Oentoeng

 

Kebetulan kita mau
ngumpul-ngumpul bersama temana-teman (biasanya kita ngumpul2 sekita 8-15
orang).

Acara ngumpul-ngumpul
berikutnya adalh tgl 13 September malam di BizCafe Mega Kuningan (karena ada
internetnya, LCD projektor layar dll)

Materi yg akan digunjingkan
„SAHAM NYANGKUT“ 

Sebetulnya bagi trader
maupun isnvestor seharusnya tidak ada istilah „NYANGKUT“

Mengapa demikian?  Karena
menurut pendapat saya: 


 Bagi  investor tidak ada istilah nyangkut
 selama proses pemilihan sahamnya dijalankan secara benar seperti Warren
 Buffet yang tidak perduli apakah harga saham akan naik atau turun karena
 dia tidak membeli saham melainkan membeli „perusahaan“  yang
 dia anggap layak untuk dibeli sesuai dengan kriteria-kriteria dia dan dia
 simpan dalam jangka panjang. 
 Bagi trader istilah nyangkutpun sebenarnya
 tidak seharusnya ada selama dia disiplin terhadap trading plan yg telah
 dia siapkan sebelumnya  (Entry, Exit, Stop Loss, Trailing stop dll)
  


Kita akan bicara masalh „NYANGKUT“
karena:


 Banyak diantara kita
 yang menganggap diri kita investor setelah terjadi sebuah  „KECELAKAAN
 “. Beli saham dengan harapan  dalam jangka pendek harga
 sahamnya akan naik. Dalam kenyataan harga nya turun drastis sedrastis-drastisnya
 dan selanjutnya didiamkan dan untuk menghibur diri dengan berkata „ah
 saya kan investor“ dan selanjutnay penuh berharap harga akan naik
 lagi). 
 Banyak diantara kita
 para trader (termasuk pengalaman saya he3x, ngaku aja deh) yg lupa
 terhadap trading plan kita(atau tidak lupa karena memang tidak pernah
 membuatnya) sheingga membiarkan kerrudian yang berlarut-larut.


 

 „NYANGKUT“
menurut pendapat saya akan sangat berhubungan dengan proses   bagaimana
kita melaksanakan pemilihan  secara fundamental, teknikal maupun
psikologis. Apakah telah memenuhi
norma-normanya? Lalu jika kita tidak penuhi (contrarian) alasan apa yg
mendasarinya?

 

Diskusi ini kita adakan sebagai pengejawantahan
proses pembelajaran termasuk didalamnya adalah “learn from our mistakes”
dan “learning by doing”

 

Pak Oentong kita mengharapkan  kehadirannya
untuk memberikan pandangan-pandangannya dalam pertemuan tersebut.

 

Bagi teman-teman yang punya saham nyangkut
atau tidak menginginkan sahamnya nyangkut why do not you join us on Sep 13th?
Mari kita bedah kasus disitu mengapa saham itu nyangkut

 

Catatan: Kopi dan kueh bayar sendiri2
(bagi yang saya undang, free of charge)

 









From: oentoeng_q
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006
6:30 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak
Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical



 







Waduh masalah "dateng nggak dateng" bisa
runyam kalau diterus2in...
Saya cuman bisa garuk2 kepala saat ini...
Sebenarnya saya sudah merencanakan "minum kopi" bareng Eyang Ratman, 
P. Vibby, mungkin P. Karno juga kalau mau bergabung?
Waktunya setelah acara KDT 23 Sept...
Kalau sudah begini tidak surprise lagi jadinya!?
So...semoga acara KDT-nya berjalan sesuai rencana
Dan buat beliau2 saya harapkan habis acara KDT tidak langsung BUBAR 
JALAN...karena saya mau konsultasi saham nyangkut...hehehe...
Truely seumur hidup saya ndak pernah ikut "Kursus Saham" wong saya 
belajar secara otodidak dan banyak bertanya kepada para SUHU...
Oentoeng-nya Tuhan masih terus membagikan rejeki-NYA kepada trader 
kayak saya
Semoga saling tunjuk ini bisa diakhiri dan tidak menjadi chaos kayak 
judul di atas
Hehehe

Salam

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
"Karno Edy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> 
wrote:
>
> Lho koq malah balik nunjuk orang lain. Mirip waktu ada acara 
disuruh nyanyi..
> Ini khan bukan soal siapa lebih mampu atau siapa lebih tahu. Anggap 
semua orang sejajar & saling berbagi, Nanti yg ngutus kecewa lho.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: oentoeng_q 
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:52 PM
> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, 
Fundamental & Technical
> 
> 
> Terimakasih atas semua APRESIASINYA...
> Yang jelas kemampuan saya masih JAUH dari harapan teman2 SEMUANYA.
> Saya sering mengklaim sebagai CUCU dari Embah maupun Eyang 
Ratmand 
> (yg "dituakan" ada 2 setahu saya), jadi masih ada BAPAK &
IBU 
saya!
> Artinya silahkan Beliau2 yg diundang...
> Khan EMBAH merasa sudah TUA
> Sedangkan EYANG malah yg menjadi PEMBICARA
> Yang jelas saya masih harus BUANYAK BELAJAR dari para SUHU dan 
SENIOR 
> yg lain.
> Ini bukan merendah tetapi KENYATAAN...
> Dalam kaitannya dengan KDT; mungkin saya malah pengen jadi 
PESERTA,
> SWEAR.
> 
> Let's see
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
"Karno Edy"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Quote :
> > Akhir akhir ini embah SERING melihat pak Oentoeng memakai
> > SAMURAI bandarmologi bertarung dibursa, mirip sibuta
> > ZATOICHI menebas lawan dengan entengnya. 
> > 
> > Coba undang pak Oentoeng aja, embah sih cukup nu

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Kalu beliau-beliau nggak mau berbagi elmu
udahlah Vib, jangan ngotot.

Biar kita pake elmu abang
jampang aja dengan golok dan kumis melintang..

Saya merasakan  beliau-beliau ini
semuanya merendah.

Memang sukar ya kita mau dapat elmu

 









From: Santo Vibby
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006
10:36 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Buat
pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical



 









Iya... gimana pak oen ? bersediakah berbagi elmu ?





 





 







- Original Message - 





From: Karno Edy 





To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com






Sent: Saturday,
September 09, 2006 9:35 AM





Subject: Re:
[obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical





 







 





Quote :





Akhir akhir ini embah SERING melihat pak Oentoeng
memakai
SAMURAI bandarmologi bertarung dibursa,
mirip sibuta
ZATOICHI menebas lawan dengan entengnya. 

Coba undang pak Oentoeng aja, embah sih
cukup nulis sambil
duduk abis kalo berdiri bisa gemeteran
apalagi diplototin
ama pak Santo yang bawa SAMURAI candlestick
yang bisa
membelah rambut hehehe





 





Berarti sekarang tinggal nunggu yg diutus ngasih jawaban.





Gimana Pak Oen ?





 





 





 







- Original Message - 





From: Santo Vibby 





To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com






Sent: Friday, September
08, 2006 6:29 PM





Subject: Re:
[obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical





 







Hehehe.. si mbah jago merendah neh.. jgn gitu akh mbah..
kita sama2 blajar aja..





but thx yah





 





 





 





 







- Original Message - 





From: jsx_consultant 





To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com






Sent: Friday, September
08, 2006 5:15 PM





Subject: [obrolan-bandar]
Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical





 





--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
"Santo Vibby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mbah... bersediakah ngutus salah satu murid mbah utk bawain materi 
Bandarmonologi di KDT ? Biar member OB bisa ngerti lbh jauh elmu 
tertingginya mbah neh.. gimana mbah ? 
> 

Waduh 
Belon apa2, keringet dingin udah mengalir nih, kalo ngomong didepan 
pak Santo hehehe...

Sekarang embah udah TUA dan udah BERUBAH, ilmu bandarmologi
memang ciptaan embah TAPI embah anggap BIASA BIASA aja...

Semua ilmu persahaman ADA GUNANYA, sama seperti pistol dan
bom nuklir. Apakah bom nuklir merupakan ilmu TERTINGGI ?.

Tentara Belanda di indo bertekuk lutut pada Jepang SEBELUM
Jepang menginjakan kakinya di Jawa. Tapi dua bom atom seukuran
KAMBING bisa membuat Jepang menyerah pada sekutu.

Tapi apakah bom nuklir tsb bisa untuk mengalahkan para 
gerilyawan dan teroris kota. Sama sekali
TIDAK !!!. Pistol atau malah belati malah lebih berguna dibanding
bom atom dalam close encounter.
Rambo dengan pisau komandonya bisa menghabisi puluhan musuh
yang bersenjata lengkap , meskipun ini film doang. 

Begitu juga di Financial marketTIDAK ADA ULTIMATE tool
Teknik TA ada yang berguna untuk trading, ada yang cocok 
untuk invest, ada yang cocok untuk LOW RISK trading/investing,
ada yang cocok untuk Niche market, ada yang cocok untuk
tader, ada yang cocok buat pemain gede... INTINYA SEMUA
ADA GUNANYA 

Pilot Jepang dengan ZEROnya bisa menghancurkan Kapal induk
segede lapang bola yang membawa puluhan kapal terbang
dengan aksi KAMIKAZEnya. Apakah pesawat terbang ZERO lebih
unggul dari SPITFIRE sekutu ?. JELAS TIDAK !!!

Jawabannya ialah JIWA SAMURAI yang dipunyai ANAK ANAK MUDA 
seperti anda, mr Santo Vibby, para Samurai bursa yang
BERDEDIKASI TINGGI dan MENCINTAI pekerjaannya, dengan
bersenjatakan pedang samurai Candlestick, yang selalu 
TAJAM MENGKILAT siap berperang dimedan bursa...

Akhir akhir ini embah SERING melihat pak Oentoeng memakai
SAMURAI bandarmologi bertarung dibursa, mirip sibuta
ZATOICHI menebas lawan dengan entengnya. 

Coba undang pak Oentoeng aja, embah sih cukup nulis sambil
duduk abis kalo berdiri bisa gemeteran apalagi diplototin
ama pak Santo yang bawa SAMURAI candlestick yang bisa
membelah rambut hehehe

Happy ber KDT buat pak Santo dan yang ikutan





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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: metastock v9.0

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Prita Novita

Silahkan download Amibroker dari www.Amibroker.com

 

 









From: prita novita
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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006
4:49 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
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metastock v9.0



 











Maaf .. urun rembug 

Wah klo teori Chaos yg dijadikan pegangan , agak tidak berguna donk belajar
technical analysis yang macam2 , lebih baik kuat in fundamental analysis ...
bukan begitu ? 

Tambahan , Adakah yg punya alamat download metastock yg free atau software
alternatif yg free selain metastock ??


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RE: [obrolan-bandar] mengenai candlestick

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Nimbrung nih

Candlesticks bisa dipakai di
instrument-intrument market seperti ditanyakan dibawah ini termasuk forex

Hanya dia jauh lebih cocok untuk para
trader yg bertransaksi short trem.

 









From: Iffan Suryanto
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Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006
1:32 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar]
mengenai candlestick



 









Bung Vibby,





 





Mohon petunjuk, apakah Candlestick karangan Bung Vibby juga
bisa digunakan utk future index seperti nikkei, hangseng, kospi or dowjones?





 







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From: Stock Trader






To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com






Sent: Friday, September
08, 2006 1:19 PM





Subject: Re:
[obrolan-bandar] mengenai candlestick





 





Karena anda butuh konfirmasi sblm yakin bahwa itu
doji tanda naik atau turun, silahkan baca buku When To Buy & Sell,
Candlestick can Tell karangan Bung Vibby pak.. ada di Gramed TA ama Plangi tuh







On 9/8/06, sudargo
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saya mau nanya mengenai
candlestick, koq kadang-kadang gak pass yac. 
misalnya pola bullish doji star tapi pas besoknya bukannya naik tapi malah
turun. kenapa yach???

mohon pencerahan dari rekan-rekan.

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[obrolan-bandar] Up or Down?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

There is an old traders' joke that goes like this: 

"After
a long day, an exhausted, frustrated trader is standing in front of the
elevator, waiting to go home. Elevator doors open, and he sees his chief market
analyst. Trader looks at him and says, 'OK, now
can you tell me which way it is – up or down?'"

 




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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: metastock v9.0

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Fully aggree mBah.

MONEY, METHOD and .MIND

 









From: jsx_consultant
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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006
7:05 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re:
metastock v9.0



 







--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
"Soeratman Doerachman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Banyak Fundamentalist Sejati dan menjadi kaya
> 
> Banyak Technicalist sejati dan juga menjadi kaya
> 
> Banyak yag memakai kedua-duanya dan menjadi kaya
> 
> Yang bangkrut adalah yang tidak memakai satupun diantaranya

Embah TAMBAHKAN:
- RISK terbesar Financial bukanLAH karena tidak pakai analisa
Technical atau Fundamental, TAPI RISK akibat EXPOSURE tidak
memakai APPRORIATE RISK and MONEY MANAGEMENT technique.
- Teknik teknik ini TIDAK berhubungan dengan analisa MARKET
tapi berhubungan dengan MANAGEMENT DIRI KITA SENDIRI

contoh:
- Menyimpan ALL your money in one stock. Jika stock
tsb menjadi case ENRON. The BEST fundamentalis atau
Technicalist pun akan bangkrut meskipun harga minyak 
setinggi langit karena laporan keuangannya dimanipulasi.
ketika CASEnya diexpose, harga langsung AMBLES...
- Tidak menggunakan APPRORIATE CUTLOSS, harga saham turun
terus ampe NOL...

Meskipun demikian, pada buku Teori Chaos yang embah baca,
SEMUA ITU pada dasarnya UNPREDICTABLE secara PASTI karena
Financial market adalah suatu sistem yang COMPLEX.

contoh:
- Misal kita batasi RUGI 5% dengan CUTLOSS, tapi SIAPASIH
yang bisa menjamin kalo saham udah turun 5% besoknya TIDAK
naek 10% ?. 

> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: prita novita [mailto:prita_[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:49 PM
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: metastock v9.0
> 
> 
> 
> Maaf .. urun rembug 
> 
> Wah klo teori Chaos yg dijadikan pegangan , agak tidak berguna donk 
belajar
> technical analysis yang macam2 , lebih baik kuat in fundamental 
analysis ...
> bukan begitu ? 
> 
> Tambahan , Adakah yg punya alamat download metastock yg free atau 
software
> alternatif yg free selain metastock ??
> 
> 
> terimakasih 
> dari 
> 
> orang yg baru bljr masalah saham
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: metastock v9.0

[Soeratman Doerachman]

NAH ITU DIA. ORANG YANG TAHUNYA
SEPARO-SEPARO MALAH MERASA YANG PALING TAHU.

 









From: jsx_consultant
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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006
8:31 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re:
metastock v9.0



 







Tambah banyak kita belajar TAMBAH KERASA kita tambah
OON...

Bener kata PLATO(?: 
- TAMBAH TAHU KITA, tambah ENGGA TAHU kita...

Tambah kita belajar TAMBAH kita merasa bahwa otak kita ini
KECIL BANGET mungkin cuman 1 ons mengkali... hehehe...

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
Odink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> salut ama Embah..
> sesudah keluar dari pertapaan jadi semakin wise dan semakin 
berilmu..
> sdh tampak tanda2 alam kah, mBah? heheheee
> 
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:04:45 +0700, jsx_consultant 
> ...> wrote:
> 
> > Embah TAMBAHKAN:
> > - RISK terbesar Financial bukanLAH karena tidak pakai analisa
> > Technical atau Fundamental, TAPI RISK akibat EXPOSURE tidak
> > memakai APPRORIATE RISK and MONEY MANAGEMENT technique.
> > - Teknik teknik ini TIDAK berhubungan dengan analisa MARKET
> > tapi berhubungan dengan MANAGEMENT DIRI KITA SENDIRI
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: metastock v9.0

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Banyak Fundamentalist Sejati dan menjadi
kaya

Banyak Technicalist sejati dan juga
menjadi kaya

Banyak yag memakai kedua-duanya dan
menjadi kaya

Yang bangkrut adalah yang tidak memakai
satupun diantaranya

 









From: prita novita
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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006
4:49 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
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metastock v9.0



 











Maaf .. urun rembug 

Wah klo teori Chaos yg dijadikan pegangan , agak tidak berguna donk belajar
technical analysis yang macam2 , lebih baik kuat in fundamental analysis ...
bukan begitu ? 

Tambahan , Adakah yg punya alamat download metastock yg free atau software
alternatif yg free selain metastock ??


    terimakasih 
 
dari 

orang yg baru bljr masalah saham












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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Fw: [junior_Trader] Langganan Data Metastock

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Di manapun langganan  market
Info itu sangat diperlukan

How can we make decision without
information?

 



 

From:
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
12:10 PM
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Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Fw:
[junior_Trader] Langganan Data Metastock



 









hemat saya mendingan langganan market info produk real time
running saham dari IQplus, sekitar 250rb/bulandisitu sudah termasuk
data metstock saham dan sektoral historis dan kemarin (open,high,low,close)
baik daily, weekly dan monthly. fitur lainnya ada menu riset daily dari broker2
seperti trimegah,valbury,bapindo,bni,AAA dan corporate action emiten
seperti dividen,RI,jadwal RUPS, menu alinnya bisa liat kinerja keuangan emiten2
(yg ini rada kurang rajin diupdate paling saham2 yg LQ45 aja dan beberapa big
cap lain).





Kelemahannnya yah paling ketergantungan dengan internet,
karena program running trade dan menu tersebut hanya dapat diakses melalui
internet.





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From: Wiro Hardy






To: junior_Trader@yahoogroups.com






Sent: Monday, August 28,
2006 6:21 PM





Subject: [junior_Trader]
Langganan Data Metastock







 





Dear
Rekans,
Bumianyar menawarkan langganan data Metastock yang sudah diadjust sbb:
- Indeks sektoral dan IHSG (open, high, low, close, volume)
- Harga saham BEJ (open, high, low, close, volume)

Biaya per bulan Rp 500.000. Seberapa penting ya data yang sudah diadjust
tersebut (dibandingkan dengan data yang blm diajust dari website BEJ) dan
mungkin teman-teman yang suka berlangganan bs memberikan informasi mengenai hal
ini.

Thanks.
Wiro. 










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[obrolan-bandar] Re: bandaaaaaaarrr besar

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Cukup pragmatis


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "artomoro8" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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>  1 Untuk investasi jangka panjang
> >   - STICK to FA, use TA for TIMING.
> >   - No NEED to discuss BA, buang WAKTU doang.
> >
> > 2. untuk investasi jangka pendek
> >   - STICK to TA, use BA for SUPPORT and FA for JAGA JAGA jangan 
maen
> > di COMBERAN.
> >
> > 3. untuk trading
> >   - STICK to TA and BA
> >   - No NEED to discuss FA, buang WAKTU doang
> >
> > 4. Trading in SIDEWAYS market with BEARISH BIAS seperti SEKARANG.
> >   - GO OUT FOR VACATION 
> >   - DO NOT LET your money DIGROGOTIN bandar
>






 
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Can you tell us the reason Sir? May be it
will gives us mor clear picture about your statement

Cheers too

 



 

From: Frederick
Schubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006
10:07 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re:
Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?



 









and forgive me if i am wrongI THOUGH ELLIOT WAVE charting is only
adaptable for markets like in mexico and saudi arabiaand for DJIA for the
very worst scenario...





cheers

redyherinantoalb
yahoo.com> wrote:









Interesting. is it because
of possibility pause on the fed? Me 
myself is more confidence with those argument, because what? MONEY 
IS RULES!!

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
Frederick Schubert 
...> wrote:
>
> The support level of the main index for the third quarter is 
likely at 1368, while the resistance at 1489. For the rest of the 
fourth quarter it may change to 1401-1553. The forecast is NOT based 
on CHART, but on flow of funds and and average investment against 
macroeconomic development..
> just sharing and don't trust me..
> disclaimer also, thou...
> cheers
> 
> 
> Rony Santoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Saya setuju dengan bung boyz,
> 
> TA memang subjective dan masing2 chartist bisa punya pendapat 
yang berbeda-beda.
> 
> sbg contoh bung boyz dan saya hasil gambarnya berbeda karena 
TIME FRAME yang kita pakai berbeda.
> 
> Anda menggunakan LARGER TIME FRAME sedangkan saya SHORTER TIME 
FRAME.
> 
> Benar yang mana? Let the market decides.
> 
> Yang penting TRUST NO ONE BUT SELF
> 
> 
> Goodluck
> 
> Rony
> 
> 
> -
> From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:obrolan-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] On
Behalf Of boyz
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 21:52
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut 
Elliot Wave?
> 
> 
> 
> Maksud saya, kalau kita sedang memasuki "Siklus C", siklus C 
terdiri 
> dari "reversed 1-2-3-4-5", right?
> 
> kalau it becomes "ideal Complete Market Cycle" maka berdasarkan 
> Fibonacci Time Zone, "the ideal C cycle" diperkirakan akan 
berlangsung 
> sampai Oktober/Nopember/Desember khan?
> 
> dan kalau it will be the "Ideal C cycle", berdasarkan Fibonacci 
> Retracement dan Fibonacci Fan maka perkiraan IHSG ada dibawah 1222 
> (RANGE 1100 - 1250)Pada bulan Oktober/Nopember/Desember tersebut 
khan ?
> 
> Well, "Ideal Complete Market Cycle" maupun "Ideal
Corrective 
Cycle" 
> kayaknya JARANG banget deh terjadi. yang sering terjadi sih 
Alternative 
> Correction (Triangle, Flat, Expanded Flat, Zigzag, ETC), tul gak?
> 
> - kalo Triangle Correction, siklus c dimungkinkan tidak lebih 
rendah 
> dari a (diatas 1222)
> -Kalo Flat Correction, siklus c maksimal turun sampe 1222
> -Expanded Flat Correction sama dengan Flat, tapi jangka waktunya 
lebih lama
> 
> pendapat saya sih, TA kan subjective. So KESIMPULAN-nya terserah 
> masing-2 pribadi. (ini termasuk DISCLAIMER ga nih :p)
> 
> saya kutip dari Darvas : "I Can Become a Diagnostician, But I Can 
Never 
> Become a Prophet."
> 
> Rony Santoso wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > kalau dari gambar yang bung boyz berikan wave a di 1250, wave b 
di 1441 
> > berarti target wave c harus di bawah 1250.
> > 
> > kalau pendapat saya, jika koreksi di bawah 1200 maka pertanda 
buruk buat 
> > IHSG karena tahun depan pasti akan bearish.
> > 
> > CMIIW.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! 
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Pencerahan mr oentoeng,mbah dll

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Pak Aria

You are right

Look at first the cycles. You only can
apply buy high sell higher on the cycle 2. 

By high sell higher on cycle 3 or 4? It’s
 suicide

 



 

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Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re:
Pencerahan mr oentoeng,mbah dll
Importance: High



 









Pak Halim,

 

Back to
basic saja :

 

·
Ketahui dulu trend-nya (spot the trend
& trend is your friend) à strategic

·
If could, try to find
the bottom (easier) & topping formation (more difficult) à tactical



·
Work it out your house-hold handlings
: Know what happened surroundings now & then with your stock (+ your
‘big pictures’ of index & sector/industry around) - step by
step of evolutionary of market à actions steps/plans…

 

Aria

 

 

-Original Message-
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:obrolan-[EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006
6:44 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Pencerahan
mr oentoeng,mbah dll

 



Bung Halim,





 





Mungkin lebih baik BUY dan CUAN, he3x, kalau bisa...,
kenapa harus mempermasalahkan Buy Low Sell High atau Buy High Sell Higher?
padahal "katanya Dow" bahwa "Price/Averages discount Everything",
arti harga saham saat tersebut mereflesikan espektasi buyer/seller kedepan,
kecuali saham tersebut di Bandarin / Gorengan.





 





Pengalaman saya buy Low jauh lebih sulit dan butuh pengalaman,
seolah-olah anda disuruh meramal bahwa saham tersebut pada titik
tertentu akan naik (padahal belum tentu kan?), apa lagi di iming-imingi
riset broker yg banyak bullshit-nya atau lap keuangan masa lalu yg sudah
direkayasa, kecuali kita benar-benar menguasai analisa industrinya sampai
prediksi keuangan emiten dgn detail (seperti Pak Eka) dan sabar.





 





Kebalikan dari diatas, buy high, adalah fakta bahwa orang-2 berani beli
saat new high/breakout+vol adalah suatu KENYATAAN bahwa saham tsb
sedang "diburu" orang dan NAIK. Jadi.gampang sekali
mengikutinya, kita ikut arus "massa"
aja, apalagi sekarang musim breakout, he3. Senjata anda tinggal Stop loss
(jika dikibuli) dan trailing stop (jaga profit). Dan jangan lupa bila beli
saat rally jangan "antre", nanti anda bisa-bisa dapat muntahan bandar.





 





Salam sejahtera semuanya, Thomas





 






Halim Mintareja
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:











Buy High Sell Higher...





 





banyak sih yang mengatakan seperti itu.. tapi apa benar seperti itu...





 





Kalau sudah melihat apa yang terjadi sih sangat mudah bilang BUY HIGH
SELL HIGHER.





 





Berdasarkan pengalaman saya di dunia valas..sangat tidak mungkin kita
melakukan  buy high sell higher untuk trading.. ngak sebanding antara
resiko profit dan loss.





 





Logika saja... seberapa jauh anda masuk kategori BUY HIGH... 3%, 5%,..
atau 10%..





Kalau sudah naik segitu.. apa masih ada sisa maximum gain dalam waktu
dekat ?? (mengingat tujuan dari BUY HIGH SELL HIGHER adalah untuk trading)





 





Coba kita lihat yang baru terjadi .. MEDC dan ISAT





MEDC.. break resitant 3400.. SELL 3375...BUY ??? tidak sempat.. harga
udah balik duluan.. rugi fee
MEDC.. break 3400 ke 3450 dengan volume.. BUY di 3425 ?? SELL.. automatic cut
loss di 3375 karena batas cut loss.. 
ISAT.. BUY 4525.. SELL 4775.. GAIN 250...





 





Memang kalau dihitung 1 Gain bisa tutupin 2 Loss.. tapi apa tutupin fee
untuk trading ??





 





Coba renungkan sendiri Kalau Index naik terus sih gampang bilang
BUY HIGH SELL HIGHER.. tapi waktu sideways apa ada yang berani bilang teorinya
itu benar ??





 





Saya sih lebih suka fundamental analis dengan minimal 3 bulan target. 





On 8/19/06, up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
wrote: 













semua org punya style sendiri. malah saya bilang buy
low sell higher
rada risky ,, but profitnya juga tinggi. ini diperuntukan org yg
benar benar tahu fundamental & perbandaran yg ada. mbah&mr oentoeng
salah satu ahlinya.(mungkin ada yg lain). asal yg newbie jgn buy low,
sell lower aja yah :)

kalo buy high sell higher lebih gampang dikit menurut saya. saya
belajar dr mr Busur&darvas(trend follower). asal ada cut loss pt aja. 
tetep aman. 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
"beagle boyz"








...> wrote:
>
> untuk beberapa orang, memang ada yang ahli untuk buy high sell
higher.
> tapi saya masih belajar trading, jadi buy low sell high aja.
> 
> saya sendiri belum bisa buy high sell higher, masih
dipelajari.
> yang ada sih kejadian buy high sell low.
> 
> salam
> 
> 





> On 8/19/06,
boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > menurut DARVAS adalah bukan membeli saham dengan harga
murah lalu
> > menjual dengan harga mahal. 
> > tetapi "BUY a HIGH and SELL HIGHER"
> >
> > saya kutip :
> > "As I flew around the world, I was constantly
searching for

RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Pencerahan mr oentoeng,mbah dll

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Sangat menarik tulisan
Pak Halim pada ahir emailnya dibawah berikut ini:

“cerita
seorang trader option.. yang WIN-LOSE 90:10 tetapi masih losing money ??”

 

Mengapa bisa terjadi? Jawabannya barangkali  sangat
klise atau sangat text book  yaitu yang ada hubungannya dengan pernyataan „
Cut your lose as soon as possible and let your profit run.

Berikut ini iliustrasi  Van K. Tharp dalam bukunya “Trade
Your Way To Financial Freedom” dimana dia menngilustrasikan seorang
trader dengan Win-Lose 90:10 tapi masih rugi. Tulisannya sbb:

 

    Expectation
= (0.9 * 275) – (0.1 * 2700) = -22.5 alias “Cut your profit as soon
as possible and let your losses run”

 









From: Halim Mintareja
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:45
AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re:
Pencerahan mr oentoeng,mbah dll



 









Susah juga sih kalau tujuannya untuk trading...






just sharing aja... waktu pertama kali masuk saham daku alokasi 50-50 untuk
trading dan investasi..





 





Seiring dengan jalannya waktu... alokasi tersebut bergeser ke 25-75...
dengan porsi investasi lebih besar..





 





Kenapa... masalahnya cuman satu return investasi jauh lebih besar dan
aman..baik dalam keaadaan bear maupun bull... FYI .. selama tragedi guyuran bulan
mei... saya masih gain sekitar 2-3% dari total portofolio... semuanya
karena FA... jadi saham yang dipilih sempat naik.. dan punya banyak waktu
sebelum menentukan jual.. suatu priviledge yang hanya dimiliki oleh penganut
FA. 





 





Lebih jauh ... sejauh ini belum pernah dengar sukses story seorang
trader.. lebih banyak sukses dari long term... (saya kira bandar juga termasuk
long term)





 





Untuk saya.. saat bear adalah saat menanam padi.. bagaimanapun juga ada
data-data "khusus" yang tersedia dalam menentukan bottom suatu
saham.. eg..





BDMN.. 3800 <-- harga tertinggi pembelian besar-besaran Temasek..





ASII ... <9000 <-- JC&C mulai borong di 7950...





ANTM .. 3700 <-- cuman orang bodoh yang jualan di sini





etc.. banyak lagi.
 





sedangkan bull adalah saat menuai.. sambil sesekali trading untuk duit
makan sehari-hari





 





Untuk saya lagi ... urutan prioritas adalah sbb





1. Stock Owner





2. Fudamental





3. Bandarmologi





4. TA





 





Stock owner menentukan besarnya keterbukaan informasi yang bisa kita
dapatkan tidak terlalu lama sebelum bandar dapat... Untuk hal ini saya sangat
menghindari saham group Lippo dan Bakrie.





 





Fundamental... seperti yang dikatakan seseorang "It's your
last defense"





 





BA... Bandar di JSX rata-rata menguasai lebih dari 60% saham beredar..
jadi buat dia masalah naik turun harga tidaklah terlalu sulit.. Darimana angka
60% itu.. simple.. Lihat daftar kepemilikan saham yang diterbitkan di jsx. 





 





Yang terakhir... TA... saya cuman pakai TA minimal 3 bulan.. itupun
juga buat iseng-iseng cari duit receh..Naik turun saham di JSX ditangan bandar.





 





Dalam setahun terakhir.. setelah sukses saya di PGAS dan ANTM.. banyak
yang tanya saham apa yang bakalan naik banyak di JSX...





 





Jawaban saya cuman satu "TIDAK TAHU".. karena saya tau..
dipikiran mereka saham yang hari ini beli terus besok atau lusa bisa
naik...saya cuman katakan kepada mereka.. daripada itu lebih baik main valas
aja yang hasilnya langsung ketahuan... saham terlalu lama. Tapi kalau mau tau
saham yang punya prospek bagus.. itu banyak. 





 





just my view.. mungkin para broker tidak akan suka tulisan saya ini...
karena jelas mengurangi fee trading ..he..he.. 





 





btw.. kalau lebih jelasnya.. mungkin ada yang pernah baca cerita
seorang trader option.. yang WIN-LOSE 90:10 tetapi masih losing money ??





 





On 8/20/06, Soeratman
Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]id>
wrote: 













Untuk
bearish, jangan lupa, ada juga Sell Low Buy Lower 

Adakah
cara ini didalam bukunya Darvas?

 































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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Pencerahan mr oentoeng,mbah dll

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Untuk
bearish, jangan lupa, ada juga Sell Low Buy Lower 

Adakah
cara ini didalam bukunya Darvas?

 









From: Jimmy Gunawan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006
10:03 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re:
Pencerahan mr oentoeng,mbah dll



 







Pak Halim,
makanya itu Pak BuSur baru muncul dan beraksi kembali ketika sudah ada 
indikasi market kembali bullish.

Teknik Darvas lebih efektif dan resikonya lebih minimal pada waktu kondisi 
pasar bullish, dan kayaknya teknik ini kalau dipakai di dunia valas tidak 
cocok deh.

JG

- Original Message - 
From: Halim Mintareja
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Pencerahan mr oentoeng,mbah dll

Buy High Sell Higher...

banyak sih yang mengatakan seperti itu.. tapi apa benar seperti itu...

Kalau sudah melihat apa yang terjadi sih sangat mudah bilang BUY HIGH SELL 
HIGHER.

Berdasarkan pengalaman saya di dunia valas..sangat tidak mungkin kita 
melakukan buy high sell higher untuk trading.. ngak sebanding antara resiko 
profit dan loss.

Logika saja... seberapa jauh anda masuk kategori BUY HIGH... 3%, 5%,.. atau 
10%..
Kalau sudah naik segitu.. apa masih ada sisa maximum gain dalam waktu dekat 
?? (mengingat tujuan dari BUY HIGH SELL HIGHER adalah untuk trading)

Coba kita lihat yang baru terjadi .. MEDC dan ISAT
MEDC.. break resitant 3400.. SELL 3375...BUY ??? tidak sempat.. harga udah 
balik duluan.. rugi fee
MEDC.. break 3400 ke 3450 dengan volume.. BUY di 3425 ?? SELL.. automatic 
cut loss di 3375 karena batas cut loss..
ISAT.. BUY 4525.. SELL 4775.. GAIN 250...

Memang kalau dihitung 1 Gain bisa tutupin 2 Loss.. tapi apa tutupin fee 
untuk trading ??

Coba renungkan sendiri Kalau Index naik terus sih gampang bilang BUY 
HIGH SELL HIGHER.. tapi waktu sideways apa ada yang berani bilang teorinya 
itu benar ??

Saya sih lebih suka fundamental analis dengan minimal 3 bulan target.
On 8/19/06, up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
wrote:
semua org punya style sendiri. malah saya bilang buy low sell higher
rada risky ,, but profitnya juga tinggi. ini diperuntukan org yg
benar benar tahu fundamental & perbandaran yg ada. mbah&mr oentoeng
salah satu ahlinya.(mungkin ada yg lain). asal yg newbie jgn buy low,
sell lower aja yah :)

kalo buy high sell higher lebih gampang dikit menurut saya. saya
belajar dr mr Busur&darvas(trend follower). asal ada cut loss pt aja.
tetep aman.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
"beagle boyz"

...> wrote:
>
> untuk beberapa orang, memang ada yang ahli untuk buy high sell higher.
> tapi saya masih belajar trading, jadi buy low sell high aja.
>
> saya sendiri belum bisa buy high sell higher, masih dipelajari.
> yang ada sih kejadian buy high sell low.
>
> salam
>
>

> On 8/19/06, boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > menurut DARVAS adalah bukan membeli saham dengan harga murah lalu
> > menjual dengan harga mahal.
> > tetapi "BUY a HIGH and SELL HIGHER"
> >
> > saya kutip :
> > "As I flew around the world, I was constantly searching for
stocks
that
> > would climb into the stratosphere because of the vision of their
future.
> > This attitude was a preparation for what I suppose you could call
> > high-territory trading. I looked for stocks that I thought could make
> > new highs and I decided to give them my full attention when they had
> > climbed on to the launching pad and were preparing to rocket up. Now
> > these stocks would be more expensive than ever before and so they
would
> > look too dear to the uninitiated. But they could become dearer. I
made
> > up my mind to buy high and sell higher."
> >
> > beagle boyz wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > sebaiknya pikirkan prinsip dasar dulu.
> > > beli murah, jual mahal. gampang toh.
> > > masalahnya adalah, semurah apa anda belinya. dan semahal apa
anda mau
> > jual.
> > >
> > > kalau menurut saya, selama anda *tahu (FA) *apa yang anda beli,
> > > tidak usah takut untuk beli kalau harga lagi turun.
> > > tentunya jangan lupa *hardstop.*
> > >
> > > salam.
> >
> > Send instant messages to your online friends
> > http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> -- 
> gerombolan siberat
> 176 - 167
>






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[obrolan-bandar] Good to read

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Investor's Business Daily
Watch
A Stock's Consolidation For Clues
Wednesday
August 9, 7:00 pm ET 
Christina
Wise 

Holding on as a stock endures a correction is enough to give
even the most strong-willed investor jitters. 

One
way to calm your nerves is to stick to the rules. 

Say
you buy a stock as it breaks out at the start of a rally, then watch
contentedly as it runs up 20%, 30% or even 50% in the next few months.
Suddenly, it pulls back hard. 

Do
you sit tight or do you cash in some of your gains? 

Your
decision hinges on multiple factors. One key element is how the stock behaves
during its consolidation. It may drop 20%, form a new base, break out and then
continue its run. Even the best stock performers need a break every so often. 

Or
it may tumble 50%, slicing through its key moving averages along the way. 

As a
rule, if a stock you own pulls back 35% or more, it should be watched closely
and you should consider locking in some of your gains. But remember, a good
growth stock can rebound from a correction up to 21/2 times that of the market
indexes. So watch the general market and be alert for other sell signals too. 

You
should also watch the nature of the correction. Is the stock pulling back on
calm volume or is volume surging as the stock plunges? 

It's
a good sign if the stock finds support at one of its key moving averages, such
as its 10-week or 40-week line, as it forms a base. That shows large
institutional investors stepping in. 

If
you invested in UCBH HoldingsUCBH, you would have benefited from studying its
corrections and adjusting your buying and selling habits appropriately. 

In
late 2002 and early 2003, the San Francisco-based bank rounded out the second
leg of a base-on-base formation. During this pattern, it declined a mild 10%,
then broke out in March of that year (point 1). 

Over
the next year, the stock nearly doubled before falling into a second base in
April 2004 (point 2). At 17%, this decline was a little steeper than its
predecessor. Of more concern, however, was its high-volume decline the week
ending April 16, 2004 (point 3). The stock sliced through its 10-week line, as
a flurry of shares changed hands. It spent the next seven months winding
through its base before breaking out in late October (point 4). 

The
stock hit a string of record highs, then tumbled (point 5). This 37% pullback
was particularly steep, so much so that the stock hasn't recovered. It's moved
sideways since then and remains well off old highs. 









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RE: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS = Rp. 12.850, BNGA break out new high

[Soeratman Doerachman]

 Pada waktu Kursus Dasar Trading  ada yg menanyakan
 “Eyang apakah BNGA saya hold atau jual” Pada waktu itu saya
 jawab berdasarkan penglihatan kombinasi Moving Average saya katakan  “Hold
 and let your  profit
 run” 
 Pada pembicaraan hari Senin seorang pengamat FA   bicara
 pada Al, saya dan Irwan “Watch BNGA” End of the year bukan tidak mungkin akan ke 1000
 
 Hari ini BNGA “hit all the time high”
 dengan volume yang tinggi 
 Kondisi menunjukan very bullish 



 Break pattern Cup and Handle
 


 

Selanjutnya terserah anda. Tapi apapaun keputusan andan selalu harus diingat bahwa
“The Market Is Always Right”. Jadi jika harga melawan keputusan
anda,  jangan kecewa melainkan jalankan Trading Plan anda dengan penuh
disiplin

I am not an analyst, nor TA neither FA. My
comment is only base what I see in the chart .because I believe that chart already
has discounted everything.

I do not want my comment mislead all of
you. 

Trust Nobody,  But Yourself

 

 









From: Tekaer
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006
10:47 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS =
Rp. 12.850, BNGA break out new high



 







PGAS
tembus resist Rp. 12800, BNGA breakout new high, Pak Vibby, Eyang, tabrak ? 






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[obrolan-bandar] RE: [junior_Trader] http://www.asiachart.com/indo.html Reverse HnS menuju 1460

[Soeratman Doerachman]

 









From: Andreas Japar
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10:50 PM
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[obrolan-bandar] Consolidation First?

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Will JCI consolidate first before continuing its rally? If
it is then it will be more healthy.




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[obrolan-bandar] Beberapa cuplikan ocehan si Darvas yg saya baca

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Through these and other
experiences, however, certain conclusions

began to emerge. As a baby
repeatedly hearing the same words starts to

learn them, so did I slowly
start, through my trading experiences, to

discern the outlines of some
rules that I could apply?

They were:


 I should not follow advisory services. They are not
 infallible, either in Canada
 or on Wall Street.
 I should be cautious with brokers' advice. They can be
 wrong.
 I should ignore Wall Street sayings, no matter how
 ancient and revered.
 I should not trade "over the counter"—only in
 listed stocks where there is always a buyer when I want to sell.
 I should not listen to rumors, no matter how well
 founded they may appear.
 The fundamental approach worked better for me than
 gambling. I should study it.
 I should rather hold on to one rising stock for a longer
 period than juggle with a dozen stocks for a short period at a time.


 

 

I thumbed through lists like:

­   
Stocks with top quality rating

­   
Stocks the experts like

­   
Stocks selling below book value

­   
Stocks with strong cash position

­   
Stocks that have never cut their dividend

 

 

It seemed only logical to me
that I should try to find through

fundamental analysis:

a) The strongest industry group;

b) The strongest company within that industry group.

 

High Grade stocks whose dividend payments are considered relatively

sure are rated:

AAA—Safest

AA—Safe

A—Sound

Investment Merit stocks that usually pay dividends:

BBB—Best of group

BB—Good

B—Fair

 

Lesser Grade stocks, paying dividends but future not sure:

CCC—Best of group

CC—Fair dividend prospects

C—Slight dividend prospects Lowest Grade stocks:

DDD—No dividend prospects

DD—Slight apparent value

D—No apparent value

I studied all these ratings very very carefully. It seemed so very
simple.

There was no longer any need for me to analyze balance sheets and

income accounts. It was all spelled out for me here, I had only to

compare: A is better than B, C is better than D.

 

From my reading I knew that stocks —like herds, indeed—form

groups according to the industry they represent and that stocks

belonging to the same industry have the tendency to move together
in

the market, either up or down.

It seemed only logical to me that I should try to find through

fundamental analysis:

a) The strongest industry group;

b) The strongest company within that industry
group.

Then I should buy the stock of that company and hold on to it, for

such an ideal stock must rise.

 

As I looked at my table I
began to feel a wave of excitement. My table,

like a pointer on a scale,
clearly pointed to one stock: JONES &

LAUGHLIN.
I could not imagine why no one had noticed it before.

Everything about it was
perfect.

􀂾
It belonged to a strong industry
group.

􀂾 It had a
strong B rating.

􀂾 It paid
almost 6% dividend.

􀂾 Its
price-earnings ratio was better than that of any other stock in

the group.

 




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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Mari bahas BUKU Nicholas Darvas ($2 million)

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Wah Pak Thomas

 

Bawakan dong di regular Come to Wan Al
Trading Room atau di E-Club regular discussion dimana Bpk juga jadi member.

Jadi ngiri nih

 

 









From: Thomas
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006
10:31 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mari
bahas BUKU Nicholas Darvas ($2 million)



 









Embah ketinggalan...he3x, baru baca bukunya ya?  Kita
(beberapa teman) sudah setahun lebih  menggunakan darvas untuk
mencari cuan (lebih dari 75% cuan saya dari darvas) metodenya sangat sederhana.
Embah bisa download metastock formulanya di Guppy dan dikembangkan sendiri
metastock explorer nya untuk men-scan (seluruh saham diBEJ) saham-2 mana yg
akan "jadi" besok.





 





Darvas sangat ampuh mendeteksi rencana "Corporate Action",
seperti terakhir: APEX. Saya beli Apex 2 hari sebelum koran ribut memberitakan
rencana India/China membeli APEX





 





Pengalaman saya: False Breakout Darvas sering terjadi ,
namun resiko dapat dikurangi dengan melihat chat pattern konsolidasi saat
breakout (Buy Signal), volume dan BUGIL (asing). Jadi kalau hanya signal buy
darvas, namun pattern konsolidasi dan volume yg kurang menyakinkan, saya
pasang kecil. Bila semuanya "sempurna", saya pasang besar.





 





Ada baik, di metastock hanya ada Darvas, Price (Candle
boleh lah), Volume serta garis-2 pattern konsolidasi plus kalau ada
akumulasi BUGIL. Lupakan yang lain agar bisa fokus. Usahakan dapat membeli
ketika kita tahu bahwa close anti sore di metastock akan ada signal buy,
artinya kita sudah harus tahu sehari sebelumnya saham-2 mana yang akan keluar
signal buy, belinya juga jangan antri, hit langsung pada Buy point yg telah
direncanakan. Ketika beli kemudian harga turun, anda sudah harus siap-2 cutloss
(harus direncanakan dimana cutlossnya). Saya sering dalam satu
hari melakukani beli-jual-beli (terlempar karena
cutloss) namun pada akhirnya saya dapat dengan selamat
memegang saham-2 tsb.





 





Diatas tsb diatas adalah untuk Buy, lebih gampang, hex3, bagian yang tersusah
adalah "Sell", signal sell darvas rada terlambat, jadi kurang
optimum bagi "position trader" seperti saya.





 





Salam sejahtera semuanya, Thomas






jsx-consultant
centrin.net.id> wrote:









Embah BELON selesai baca
buku tsb, baru baca AWALnya aja.
Buku ini BENER BENER bagus karena menggambarkar orang yang
masuk pasar modal TANPA TAU APA APA pada awalnya tapi akhirnya
pasti HAPPY ENDING.

Embah perkirakan HAPPY ENDINGnya berasal dari KEJELIAN
dan INSTINCT yang tebentuk karena TEMPAAN KESALAHAN
dan KERJA KERAS TANPA mengenal MENYERAH

Kita BACA SAJA bersama sama, LALU KITA BAHAS bersama,
Pak Edy sudah baca belon ?

Karno Edy wrote:

> Menurut embah dari gain tersebut berapa komposisinya yg berasal dari :
>
> 1. Nasib baik (% luck/hoki/rejeki)
> 2. Keahlian (% Skill/smart)
> 3. Kerja keras (% Effort / investasi waktu & tenaga)
>
> - Original Message -
> From:jsx-consultant
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
; [EMAIL PROTECTED]com
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:44 PM
> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Mari bahas BUKU Nicholas Darvas
> ($2 million)
> Mari bahas BUKU Nicholas Darvas ($2 million)
>
> Diakhir minggu ini embah lagi baca buku Nicholas Darvas
> tentang
> bagaimana dia dapet $2 juta dollar dengan modal dibawah
> $10.000 dollar.
> Embah baru mulai baca BAB2 awal dia baru menceritakan
> KEGAGALANnya dengan mecoba SECARA macam cara dari:
> - Baca laporan keuangan
> - Dengerin rekomendasi broker dan rumor
> - Baca analisa analis dll
>
> Dia juga cerita tentang KEMENANGANnya melalui
> - Dapet saham dari orang dan NAIK BANYAK.
> - Ikut beli saham yang lagi naik
> - dll CARA termasuk kemenangannya lewat saham yang TERLUPA
> karena dia sibuk sebagai PENARI, saham tsb kalo dia ingat
> PASTI
> udah dijual kalo NAEK DIKIT. Tapi karena lupa, saham tsb
> NAIK
> TERUS dan tidak dijual.
>
> Tapi pada AWAL AWALnya, SEGALA MACAM CARA yang dia PAKAI
> menghasilkan KEMENANGAN dan KEKALAHANnya relatif TIDAK
> BERBEDA...
>
> Note from embah:
> - THIS BOOK IS A MUST for every BEGINNER yang mau mulai
> invest dibursa AGAR semua KESALAHAN yang dibuat si Darvas
> TIDAK ANDA ULANGI LAGI 
>
> Embah udah ENGGA SABAR baca BAB BAB selanjutanya, METODA
> APASIH yang dipakai si Darvas untuk mendapatkan 2 juta
> dollarnya ?.
>
> Embah mengharapkan BAB BAB terakhir memberikan SESUATU YANG
> FAKTUAL BENAR seperti dia menulis SECARA POLOS mengenai
> KEGAGALANnya pada awal dia terjun kebursa.
>
> Happy READING DARVAS BOOK in this beatiful weekend...
>
> Dan JANGAN LUPA untuk memberikan KOMENTAR tentang
> CARANYA dia mencapai KEMENANGAN sehingga kita bisa
> BAHAS BERSAMA...
>
> Note:
> - Yang belum punya bukunya DARVAS, coba anda liat
> postingya si 'MR PEMULA' yang mengirin alamat downloadnya.
>
> ...
>
> embah, kuncen milis OB
>
> Dari cara dia bercerita, embah SANGAT TERTARIK karena
> gayanya
> bercerita dia menceritakan FAKTA dan 

RE: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG Terlampir

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Pak Tangkas

Angka 1427 sangat sesuai dg postin saya ke
J-Club

Namapkanya agak pull back sebentra diFib
50%

 

 









From: tangkas
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Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006
11:35 AM
To:
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG
Terlampir



 









Kelihatannya IHSG mau ke Puncak 1427 Fibo 61,28%...





Jika benar 





maka TLKM ke 8400





 





Salam



  







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RE: [obrolan-bandar] Mari bahas BUKU Nicholas Darvas ($2 million)

[Soeratman Doerachman]

mBah

 

Kebetulan buku tsb merupakan bacaan wajib
di grup saya disamping buku Elder dan Warren Buffet

 

 









From: jsx-consultant
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:44
AM
To:
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
saham@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Mari
bahas BUKU Nicholas Darvas ($2 million)



 







Mari bahas BUKU Nicholas Darvas ($2 million)

Diakhir minggu ini embah lagi baca buku Nicholas Darvas tentang
bagaimana dia dapet $2 juta dollar dengan modal dibawah $10.000 dollar.
Embah baru mulai baca BAB2 awal dia baru menceritakan
KEGAGALANnya dengan mecoba SECARA macam cara dari:
- Baca laporan keuangan
- Dengerin rekomendasi broker dan rumor
- Baca analisa analis dll

Dia juga cerita tentang KEMENANGANnya melalui
- Dapet saham dari orang dan NAIK BANYAK.
- Ikut beli saham yang lagi naik
- dll CARA termasuk kemenangannya lewat saham yang TERLUPA
karena dia sibuk sebagai PENARI, saham tsb kalo dia ingat PASTI
udah dijual kalo NAEK DIKIT. Tapi karena lupa, saham tsb NAIK
TERUS dan tidak dijual.

Tapi pada AWAL AWALnya, SEGALA MACAM CARA yang dia PAKAI
menghasilkan KEMENANGAN dan KEKALAHANnya relatif TIDAK BERBEDA...

Note from embah:
- THIS BOOK IS A MUST for every BEGINNER yang mau mulai
invest dibursa AGAR semua KESALAHAN yang dibuat si Darvas
TIDAK ANDA ULANGI LAGI 

Embah udah ENGGA SABAR baca BAB BAB selanjutanya, METODA
APASIH yang dipakai si Darvas untuk mendapatkan 2 juta dollarnya ?.

Embah mengharapkan BAB BAB terakhir memberikan SESUATU YANG
FAKTUAL BENAR seperti dia menulis SECARA POLOS mengenai
KEGAGALANnya pada awal dia terjun kebursa.

Happy READING DARVAS BOOK in this beatiful weekend...

Dan JANGAN LUPA untuk memberikan KOMENTAR tentang
CARANYA dia mencapai KEMENANGAN sehingga kita bisa
BAHAS BERSAMA...

Note:
- Yang belum punya bukunya DARVAS, coba anda liat
postingya si 'MR PEMULA' yang mengirin alamat downloadnya.

...

embah, kuncen milis OB

Dari cara dia bercerita, embah SANGAT TERTARIK karena gayanya
bercerita dia menceritakan FAKTA dan bukan berusaha MENJUAL.






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RE: [obrolan-bandar] KISAH PARA PENDEKAR TEMPUR

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Mestinya saya percaya pada ulasan guru
muda ini. Banker, pengusaha and very young but bright dan sdh malang melintang
di Asean Country

Maka sy angkat dia jadi
instruktur

Pendekar-pendekar muda favoritku adalah Vibby,
Veter, Sudes. Vibby sudang ngarang buku batang lilin. Kita tinggal tunggu
buku-buku karangannya Sudes dan Veter.

Banyak buku-buku tapi semuanya Boso Londo.
Dengan kasus2 saham Uncle
Sam. Yg dibuat pendekar muda kita adalah Boso Jowo dengan kasus-kasus saham pak
Lik Citro.

Kita tunggu buku-buku Bandarmologi produk
milis ini yang bisa ikut mendorong perkembangan pasar modal Indonesia terutama para individual investor seperti kita-kita ini.

If you read the book you become knowledgeable
and KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. As you become knowledgeable you increase your competitive
edge against other traders.

Trading is about picking money from others
pocket to our  pocket or visa versa.  So do not let your money stolen
by others

To become more knowledgeable, I learn a
lot from my fiends in this milis. Thank you to all

 









From: veter
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006
9:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; Milis Saham; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
E-Club
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] KISAH
PARA PENDEKAR TEMPUR



 









 

Dear ALL :

 

Setelah melihat peta kekuatan
rupanya tetap ada beberapa saham
yang harus dicermati pergerakannya :

 


 TLKM : Sudah pasti ini harus dicermati…. Seperti yang sudah diprediksi sama ahli prediksi (Ya iyalah) bahawa sektor Seluler akan memberikan kontribusi keuntungan yang besar bagi TLKM . Bayangin aja operator lain pada sibuk
 bikin tarif gratis tengah malem….. eh SIMPATI tetap anteng aja bahakan pemakainya nambah….. Bingung kan  saya aja bingung….
 Lebih aneh lagi saya juga pake SIMPATI @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@#% Maklum kalo tengah malem saya kagak pernah telepon-teleponan…..He…he…..he……
 Beberapa teman saya para pemain HIGHLANDER seperti bapak Budi Suryono sudah terbangun dan mulai mengamati pasar. Mereka nunggu TLKM di 8400 an. Cuma perang disana pasti akan jadi perang
 termahal….. mungkin
 butuh dana 500 M lebih. Semoga para HIGHLANDER mampu menaklukkannya.
 BLTA : Ditinggal tidur aja, saama kayak ANTM. 
 ANTM : DItinggal tidur aja juga. Jangan-jangan BLTA dan ANTM tidur bareng lagi ya  wah. Sebagai info, ANTM dengan proyek FENI nya tetap bersinar. Bahkan forecast
 2009 sangat-sangat gila….
 Batasannya hanya langit kata para guru dunia persilatan.
 BBRI dan BBCA
 : diantara dua
 bank ini kagak ada bedanya… struktur dana mereka adalah dana murah. Cuma untuk jangka panjang perlu diperhatikan fee base incomenya. Gimana juga Bank di masa datang akan bags kalo Fee base
 income mereka besar, jadi tidak lagi mengandalkan NIM yang sangat bergantung paa kondisi makro ekonomi Negara.


 

Ok, itu aja
sih portfolio saya….
Yang lain kagak sempet saya liat,
maklum kerja….. kasian BOS kalo saya kebanyakan main saham J. See you all

 

Regards 

JV

 

 

Please feel free to visit

My Profile 
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My Blog   
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[obrolan-bandar] Contrarian

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Contrarian in my perception

 

“ Those who know ahead from others (anticipate) that situation
(buying/selling pressure) will reach its climax” In such kind of
situation the contrarian will against the trend because he knows already that
the trend will end.

The winner are those who dare think differently

 

mBah,

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[obrolan-bandar] Utk bacaan trader

[Soeratman Doerachman]

Why
I Don't Care If A Stock Is 'Undervalued'
Thursday
August 3, 9:33 am ET 
By Rob
Hanna 

Not a lot to say today. The market tried to sell of hard
yesterday and bounced a bit at the end of the day. Today it tried to rally
hard, and then fell back near the end of the day. In other words, nothing was
accomplished. I remain wary of getting at all aggressive on the long side. In
Monday's column I discussed several reasons for this.

Of
course the biggest reason for not taking too many long trades, is that very few
stocks are completing sound basing formations and attempting to break out.
Patience is key - both long and short. If a trade meets your criteria, take it.
If it doesn't, just wait. If there aren't many trades meeting your criteria,
then the market is telling you that the market environment is not favorable to
your strategy. That's important information. Listen. 

After
remarking that I saw very few trading opportunities on Monday, I was sent a
number of emails explaining to me the tremendous opportunities in some tech
stocks. I was told about how valuations in companies like (NASDAQ:EBAY - News), (NASDAQ:YHOO - News), and (NYSE:AMD - News) were becoming attractive. Here's
my thought on buying stocks (or ETFs) with charts like these: 

I do
use some reversal strategies that would allow me to take advantage of
short-term oversold conditions on occasion. I do not try and hold on to
positions with these types of charts for long-term gains. I don't care if they
are "undervalued". If I'm the first one to realize this, then who
knows how long it will be until the market agrees with me? Value buying can be
a profitable strategy for large funds with long-term horizons and large
research departments. It's a dangerous game for traders - especially in a bear
market environment. For all their effort, most bottom-pickers end up with
little more than a finger full of ... Along with losing money, that's something
I try to avoid.

 




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