[obrolan-bandar] Re: It will surely come the second black monday
Spt kata pak yan kurniawan,Prophecy itu dari thn 1997 dan belum tergenapi sebelumnya. Mgk yg dimaksud si pembuat prophecy adalah EURO karena kala itu Jerman masih menggunakan MARK. Sebaiknya kita selalu waspada karena Euro kemarin jatuh secara dramatis dari 1.47 hingga 1.38 an. Jangan2 senin ini second black monday. Perlu diperhatikan bahwa bail out masih perlu persetujuan DPR AS. Jika ternyata DPR AS masih tetap menolak, maka senin bisa jadi senin kelabu. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Cumi Enak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Saw the Yen and Mark Fall (sebagai tanda black monday kedua). Emang Mark masih ada? Kalo dah ga ada, berarti tanda yang kedua gak akan muncul, dan gak akan ada tuh second black Monday. Salam, Cumi-cumi. Seafood ga laku pas lebaran -Original Message- From: Beny Anto Hartadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 09:43 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It will surely come the second black monday menurut anda kapan the second black monday will happen..? or have it happened already? salam - Original Message From: wencen79 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:27:14 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] It will surely come the second black monday Bulan maret yg lalu saya sudah pernah posting ttg hal ini. Mengingat semuanya itu sudah mulai terjadi, maka saya posting sekali lagi kepada semua member OB ttg hal yg akan segera terjadi Prophecy by Harold Eatmon I Saw the Stock Market Soar and Then Crash I had a vision of the stock market's Big Board having serious upcoming problems. I saw the stock market soar and then crash.. After the crash, many big business corporations and private parties bought up stocks because of the low cost to buy in. Then I saw the market begin to climb again in a short period of time. Two Black Mondays Then it crashed again bringing tremendous loss, ruin and devastation to all who bought in the first time. This is what I have labeled Two Black Mondays. The time period between the Two Black Mondays was very close together. I could not tell exactly how close. It could be a couple of days to a couple of months. There are some telltale signs indicating the season and the setting. I saw the season to be when the leaves fall to the ground then the first crash would occur.(tepat sudah terjadi di musim gugur ini 29 sept 08) I Saw the Yen and Mark Fall (sebagai tanda black monday kedua) I also saw the Yen and Mark fall dramatically just before this sudden and inexplicable crash. Like Joseph in Genesis, I believe America will have fat years of financial blessing. I also believe there are coming lean years of financial difficulty for America. I do not believe God is showing this so people can beat the game financially. I rather believe He is saying keep your eyes on eternal things. Store up treasures in Heaven.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: It will surely come the second black monday
Maaf bung gambler, bukan maksud saya untuk bawa2 agama. Kalau bapak perhatikan, saya tidak menyebut agama manapun, hanya disebut ttg God aja (walaupun mmg Godnya agama tertentu). Tujuan saya disini hanya ingin menyampaikan ttg prophecy ini. Jika ternyata benar, bukankah bapak sudah selamat dari kebangkrutan (karena bapak percaya akan prophecy ini?) Bail out plan masih butuh persetujuan DPR AS dan mereka baru akan voting Jumat malam. Jika mereka tidak setuju, jangan2 second black monday terjadi. Baca disini ttg apa yg mereka katakan : http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=20601087sid=aFnvkteaver8refer=home No Done Deal Still, House passage is far from certain. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told MSNBC News yesterday that no Democrats who opposed the measure earlier this week have pledged to back it. ``We don't have any more Democrats at this hour,'' he said. Some Republicans said they also weren't budging. ``The bill that they are going to send back is the same bill that I voted against two days ago,'' Representative Joe Barton of Texas told Bloomberg Television. ``Why would I turn around and vote for it tomorrow evening or Friday?'' --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Gambler.BEJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wah kalo agama udah masuk pasar spekulasi ekonomi sih sudah mau kiamat tuh, bisnis kok dicampur adukkan dengan agama. Prophecy agamis kalau sudah masuk wilayah bursa saham dan ekonomi sih sudah bullshit menurut pendapat saya. meizal wrote: wow hehehe... Prophecy-- biasanya sih ilustrasi dari ramalan itu sifat nya selalu kabur jadi susah memahami maksud nya, paling yang kita pahami bottom line nya doang,waahhh!!agak susah ngomong juga ya untuk yang hal2 seperti ini...hehehehe...tapi saya pikir,yang jelas satu hal yang pasti tentang masa depan,ternyata masa depan itu emang gak pasti hehehe...kan kita cuman bisa nebak doang ending nya gimana, mengunakan basic ilmu yang kita punya...sedangkan sutradara nya...hehehe btw thnx for u're information sir
[obrolan-bandar] It will surely come the second black monday
Bulan maret yg lalu saya sudah pernah posting ttg hal ini. Mengingat semuanya itu sudah mulai terjadi, maka saya posting sekali lagi kepada semua member OB ttg hal yg akan segera terjadi Prophecy by Harold Eatmon I Saw the Stock Market Soar and Then Crash I had a vision of the stock market's Big Board having serious upcoming problems. I saw the stock market soar and then crash. After the crash, many big business corporations and private parties bought up stocks because of the low cost to buy in. Then I saw the market begin to climb again in a short period of time. Two Black Mondays Then it crashed again bringing tremendous loss, ruin and devastation to all who bought in the first time. This is what I have labeled Two Black Mondays. The time period between the Two Black Mondays was very close together. I could not tell exactly how close. It could be a couple of days to a couple of months. There are some telltale signs indicating the season and the setting. I saw the season to be when the leaves fall to the ground then the first crash would occur.(tepat sudah terjadi di musim gugur ini 29 sept 08) I Saw the Yen and Mark Fall (sebagai tanda black monday kedua) I also saw the Yen and Mark fall dramatically just before this sudden and inexplicable crash. Like Joseph in Genesis, I believe America will have fat years of financial blessing. I also believe there are coming lean years of financial difficulty for America. I do not believe God is showing this so people can beat the game financially. I rather believe He is saying keep your eyes on eternal things. Store up treasures in Heaven.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: It will surely come the second black monday
anda member OB baru? Semua OB yg udah lama gabung pasti tau saya sudah post ini bulan maret yg lalu.Coba anda search aja bu, saya tidak posting ini karena lagi bearish. Disitu jelas dikatakan first black monday akan terjadi ketika musim dimana daun mulai gugur (musim gugur). Musim gugur dimulai 21 sept - 21 nov. Tidak masalah anda mencemooh, tapi perhatikan mata uang Yen dan Mark, maka anda tidak akan menyesal sudah percaya.GBU --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Indera Widi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: postingan kalo lg bearish berat gini lucu ya.. para peramal akhir jaman pasti naik market sharenya, rumah ibadah penuh.. hore! paling enak emang jualan FEAR jualan GREED! human basic instinct.. sigh! On 10/2/08, wencen79 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bulan maret yg lalu saya sudah pernah posting ttg hal ini. Mengingat semuanya itu sudah mulai terjadi, maka saya posting sekali lagi kepada semua member OB ttg hal yg akan segera terjadi Prophecy by Harold Eatmon I Saw the Stock Market Soar and Then Crash I had a vision of the stock market's Big Board having serious upcoming problems. I saw the stock market soar and then crash. After the crash, many big business corporations and private parties bought up stocks because of the low cost to buy in. Then I saw the market begin to climb again in a short period of time. Two Black Mondays Then it crashed again bringing tremendous loss, ruin and devastation to all who bought in the first time. This is what I have labeled Two Black Mondays. The time period between the Two Black Mondays was very close together. I could not tell exactly how close. It could be a couple of days to a couple of months. There are some telltale signs indicating the season and the setting. I saw the season to be when the leaves fall to the ground then the first crash would occur.(tepat sudah terjadi di musim gugur ini 29 sept 08) I Saw the Yen and Mark Fall (sebagai tanda black monday kedua) I also saw the Yen and Mark fall dramatically just before this sudden and inexplicable crash. Like Joseph in Genesis, I believe America will have fat years of financial blessing. I also believe there are coming lean years of financial difficulty for America. I do not believe God is showing this so people can beat the game financially. I rather believe He is saying keep your eyes on eternal things. Store up treasures in Heaven. -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
[obrolan-bandar] Re: It will surely come the second black monday
Perhatikan nilai uang Yen dan Mark, pak!! Kalau anda lihat sudah mulai jatuh, maka itu tandanya black monday kedua akan sgr terjadi. Saya rasa ga lama.GBU --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Beny Anto Hartadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: menurut anda kapan the second black monday will happen..? or have it happened already? salam - Original Message From: wencen79 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:27:14 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] It will surely come the second black monday Bulan maret yg lalu saya sudah pernah posting ttg hal ini. Mengingat semuanya itu sudah mulai terjadi, maka saya posting sekali lagi kepada semua member OB ttg hal yg akan segera terjadi Prophecy by Harold Eatmon I Saw the Stock Market Soar and Then Crash I had a vision of the stock market's Big Board having serious upcoming problems. I saw the stock market soar and then crash.. After the crash, many big business corporations and private parties bought up stocks because of the low cost to buy in. Then I saw the market begin to climb again in a short period of time. Two Black Mondays Then it crashed again bringing tremendous loss, ruin and devastation to all who bought in the first time. This is what I have labeled Two Black Mondays. The time period between the Two Black Mondays was very close together. I could not tell exactly how close. It could be a couple of days to a couple of months. There are some telltale signs indicating the season and the setting. I saw the season to be when the leaves fall to the ground then the first crash would occur.(tepat sudah terjadi di musim gugur ini 29 sept 08) I Saw the Yen and Mark Fall (sebagai tanda black monday kedua) I also saw the Yen and Mark fall dramatically just before this sudden and inexplicable crash. Like Joseph in Genesis, I believe America will have fat years of financial blessing. I also believe there are coming lean years of financial difficulty for America. I do not believe God is showing this so people can beat the game financially. I rather believe He is saying keep your eyes on eternal things. Store up treasures in Heaven.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI Gagal Bayar Obligasi Jatuh Tempo
Pak tBumi jangan terlalu yakin. Proses pembakaran saham baru dimulai. Cuma bakal rebound bentar, setelah itu akan terjun bebas. Kayaknya bakal terjadi gempa bumi besar di indonesia (gempa bumi beneran) SIP : TBUMI Waktunya BORONG sale tsb !
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ini hari retailer mau bagi2 barang murah..
Untuk kali ini, stok market ga akan bangkit lagi. Bagi siapa yg masih beli di harga discount akan celaka. Perhatikan nilai tukar yen terhadap euro. Jika nilai yen turun tajam thdp euro, maka siap2 melihat dunia masuk dalam jurang resesi. I HAVE WARNED YOU
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Hold your breath..
AGREE... This is the prelude for the worst..not the worst yet. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ready to stock market crash.. Never catch the falling knife.. Better cut loss and stay out of the market.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Waduh BUMI terjun bebas....
BUMI tidak akan terjun bebas. Kalau terjadi penurunan, itu merupakan momen yg sangat bagus untuk akumulasi. Seperti pak T Bumi bilang, bumi akan menuju 9000 (saya prediksi akan tercapai dalam minggu depan). Btw, kalau ada yg berminat inves di emas,sekaranglah saatnya. Grafik menunjukkan seller sudah kelelahan. Dalam sebulan sudah terjadi triple bottom. Kini saatnya emas kembali melesat ke area US$1000/oz +. Happy trading
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mau tidak crash once more?
CRASH ??? Belum tentu... Let's see who is the bozz.hehe The Almighty is coming...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: HARGA MINYAK DIPREDIKSI TURUN MINGGU DEPAN
Tomorrow Crude Oil certainly 145
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mau tidak crash once more?
Sewaktu melihat DJ turun hingga 3%, saya sempat pesimis bahwa IHSG bisa survive, tapi setelah the REAL BOZZ bilang tenang aja, ada AKU , akhirnya jadi PD lagi deh,hehe. Do your best BOZZ, I believe in YOU. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Jangan takut. Elaine** * 2008/6/9 jos_martino [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Iya koq pada takut ya... Jangan-jangan pada pegang BUMI nih!!! Wajar sih yg pegang MINING pada cekat-cekot...he..he.. Tetapi kayenya BUMI buat impulse wave 5 dulu baru JATUH...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mau tidak crash once more?
Thx Elaine... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Jangan takut. Elaine**
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Shooting target Wave C, cool abis
Pak Oen, sepertinya BEI ga akan ke 4000. Manusia tidak akan sanggup melawan apa yg akan dilakukan THE ALMIGHTY. Every human will bow their head on HIS knee.Let's see. The pride will ashame. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 8:40:33 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Shooting target Wave C, cool abis DN kah yang bpk maksud??? Kalau iya, beliau emang cool habis, hebat banget kalo bicara angka- angka (daya ingat nya luar biasa), dulu kami sering dibuat ponting panting kalau nyiapin bahan buat meeting wkt beliau jadi pejabat di depkeu (beliau workaholic n perfectionist. ...lol), tapi ga ngeh kalo beliau itu BOZZ Btw, thanks for sharing beneficial infonya pak Oentoeng rgds. Assisten nubie Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from XL GPRS/EDGE/3G network From: oentoeng_qq oentoeng_qq@ yahoo.com Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:58:10 - To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Shooting target Wave C, cool abis --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ .. wrote: Banyak orang yg tidak menguasai ilmu bandarmologi karena didalam hatinya mereka tidak percaya ama yg namanya bandar. Sama seperti orang yg tidak percaya Tuhan karena mereka tidak bisa melihat Tuhan... Makanya ada ayat suci yg berbunyi: - BERBAHAGIALAH HAI ENGKAU YG PERCAYA MESKIPUN ENGKAU TIDAK MELIHAT... TAPI, lebih beruntung lagi kalo anda bisa melihat bandar seperti pak oentoeng... Embah bisa aja... Memang nemui Bandar itu gampang2 susah, karena mereka SERINGKALI tidak pernah menunjukkan jati dirinya. Karena mereka tidak perlu PUBLISITAS, tapi cuman mikirin CUAN. Mumpung ada kesempatan, saya ingin menunjukkan bahwa mereka itu REAL memang ada. Kalau selama ini saya sering bilang BOZZ and GANG BOYS; itu juga BENAR keberadaannya. SALAH SATUnya adalah yang hari Juma't kemarin photonya TERPAMPANG di banyak MASS MEDIA. Beliau TERPILIH menjadi salah satu KOMISARIS dari BEI saat ini. Bicara REPUTASI; Walaupun tidak secara langsung; dari beliau lah saya tahu duluan bahwa AWAL TAHUN 2008 akan terjadi CRASH. Demikian juga bahwa ke depan den BEI akan mencapai level 4000! Dst... Apakah saham2 FAVORIT beliau? Hehehe... Ada SALAH SATU anggota LAIN lagi yang MENARIK... Beliau beberapa saat lalu ikut KURSUS TA dari salah seorang SENIOR TA yang AKTIF juga di sini. Sedikit CLUE, beliau suka ngaku2 sebagai orang TLKM...exactly NOT. Karena waktu ikut kursus senior TA yang lain juga demikian. YANG JELAS dari beliau waktu harga saham TLKM masih 11rebu saya sudah dikasih tahu bahwa akan menuju 8rebu bahkan LEBIH! Setelah itu TLKM mo kemana? Hehehe... Apakah beliau saat itu sedang BELAJAR TA? Ha 99x... Beliau hanya ingin memahami ASUMSI dan ANALISA TA dari senior tersebut, sehingga bisa TAHU bagaimana cara menaklukkan senior tsb beserta PENGIKUTnya. That's simple...just for MONEY. Buat temen2 yang pengen ketemu and kenalan sama Bandar yang jelas mereka JARANG; hampir TIDAK PERNAH membicarakan TA. Tapi mereka lebih curios terhadap HIDDEN INFORMATION. Makanya kalau ketemu Bandar BETULAN nggak perlu lama2, tanya aja indeks atau saham X dia mo kemana? Karena analisa TA dan FA yang seGUDANG tidak akan ada artinya kalau lagi BERLAWANAN dengan informasi dari mereka! Hahaha... Now for Elaine... You know the man behind me...are we still in the same boat? `cause my position...still the last man standing. Oentoeng
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mungkinkah MBAH=BOZZ??
Jadi partner dari pak oen adalah bapak Johnny Darmawan ya? Dan pak oen sendiri adalah pak Felix Oentoeng Soebagjo?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mungkinkah MBAH=BOZZ??
Jadi partner dari pak oen adalah bapak Johnny Darmawan ya? Dan pak oen sendiri adalah pak Felix Oentoeng Soebagjo? Bapak Johnny Darmawan adalah presdir toyota astra motor. Apa berarti saham grup astra akan dimainkan? atau malah akan dijatuhkannya sendiri?haha.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mau tidak crash once more?
Yg pasti siap2 perang dunia ke 3 pak. Negara2 barat yg kebakaran jenggot akan berusaha menguasai minyak timur tengah. Wahyu. 6:6 Dan aku mendengar seperti ada suara di tengah-tengah keempat makhluk itu berkata: Secupak gandum sedinar, dan tiga cupak jelai sedinar. Tetapi janganlah rusakkan minyak dan anggur itu. Minyak yg naik terus apa sdh petanda dunia sdh mau kiamat ?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: March Madness, April Massacre, June BIG BANG ??
I have a very..very bad feeling for this monday. Dow Jones turun hingga 3.13%, penurunan yg sangat mengerikan. Saya sama sekali ga percaya kalau IHSG ga terpengaruh. Hope I can quit quickly as fast as I can on monday. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Pemain Mini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cmonn.TBUMMERS udah kuatir KIAMAT ??
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Profit Taking TLKM switch to BUMI please...
Saya yakin banget t_bumi kali ini tidak berbohong. Andai saya masih punya uang, bumi mau saya beli lagi..hehe --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, t_bumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Felicia Rumondor felicia_rumondor@ wrote: BUMI ready to fly . SIP : TBUMI Kumpuli tenaga utk berlomba lari, karena minggu depan perlombaan dimulai. HAPPY CUAN !!
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Saya punya pertanyaan...
Bukan impi mas, saya baca berita di situs internet. Mengenai mimpi, bukannya hari itu benar2 terjadi crash di bulan maret ampe april?hehe Salam... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apakah ini berhubungan dengan mimpi ente beberapa waktu lalu? Kalau gak salah ingat, beberapa bulan yg lalu ente pernah japri tentang mimpi tsb, mo kejadian di bulan apa deh? (agak lupa nih) maret or april? sekarang udah lewat toh? salam,
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Saya punya pertanyaan...
Apanya yg digosok mas? koq ga nyambung? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gosok terus pak Tbumi...keep rubbing it! Dasar...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Hati-Hati Dengan Asuransi AIG LIFE!
Sama dong nasib kita. Saya juga dipersulit dalam klaim asuransi kematian papa saya. Udah hampir 3 bln baru keluar, itupun dipersulit sana sini. Banyak sekali dokumen yg berbelat belit diminta mereka. Yg paling bagus AXA, bahkan saya yg belum sempat klaim, eh..malahan mereka yg menghubungi saya karena mereka melihat kabar dukacita di koran (nah, keren kan? bahkan mereka selalu mencek apakah ada nasabah mereka yg meninggal.Salut !!) Dokumen yg diminta pun simple aja. Bukan promosi lho, jgn berpikir saya ini agent axa,hahaha. Semua pasti punya pengalaman masing2 dg asuransi2 gituan. -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Saham Oke Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:13 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Hati-Hati Dengan Asuransi AIG LIFE! Bagi para investor asuransi mungkin info dibawah ini perlu dari http://www.mediakon http://www.mediakonsumen.com sumen.com Jumat, 23 Mei 2008 Istri saya adalah pemegang polis asuransi AIG LIFE. Pada Tanggal 14 April 2008 mengajukan klaim rawat inap. Semua persyaratan telah dilengkapi dan petugas dari AIG LIFE menyatakan akan dikirim ke Jakarta dan ia menjanjikan 14 hari kerja akan ada jawaban (Transfer ke Rekening pemohon). Akan tetapi hingga 1 bulan sejak dikirim dokumen klaim rawat inap sampai saat ini belum ada jawaban apakah diterima atau ditolak. Setelah saya amati ternyata begitu banyak daftar penyakit yang tidak dapat dibayarkan asuransinya. Mungkin hanya penyakit cacingan, bisul, dan kurap yang tidak termasuk dalam daftar tersebut (Daftar penyakit tersebut begitu rincinya). Jadi saya menyarankan agar anda berhati- hati ketika akan mengikuti program asuransi,sehingga tidak terulang seperti yang saya alami. Kepada AIG LIFE, saya mohon untuk berhenti dari program ini, tolong jangan di debet dari rekening saya pada Bank Lippo, biarlah yang sudah silakan anda nikmati. Terima Kasih. Yayat Sodiat Jl Trowulan IV No.2 Bandung
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI TP 7020 by ML
Heavy buy on 7100. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Kidod25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: walah ... capppe deh
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Saya punya pertanyaan...
Pak TBUMI, saya juga mendengar bahwa sebelum gempa di china baru2 ini,dilaporkan adanya kelakuan hewa yg tidak normal. Saat ini di bbrp daerah di US juga dilaporkan hal yg sama. Makanya saya bertanya pada senior2 di OB, jika terjadi bencana besar(setara dg gempa san fransisco 1914) apakah akan mengguncang pasar saham US dan apakah akan berpengaruh besar pd global,khususnya Indonesia? Bgm pendapat bapak? SIP : TBUMI Menurut rumors akan terjadi gempa di USA khusunya di California yg rawan gempa.
[obrolan-bandar] Perbandingan CPO Coal
Baru2 ini saya membaca bahwa byk perusahaan tambang emas yg terancam tutup karena biaya operasional yg tinggi. Oleh sebab itu, analis mengatakan bahwa harga emas minimal harus US$1200/oz utk membarengi harga minyak yg tinggi. Jika demikian, berarti harga CPO juga harus naik berbarengan dengan harga minyak. Jika harga CPO malah turun, maka perusahaan CPO terancam mengalami kerugian karena biaya operasional yg tinggi tidak dibarengi dgn harga CPO. Sedangkan harga coal merupakan energi alternatif disaat harga minyak tinggi dan ini membuat harga coal naik. Jadi collect saham sector energi lebih menguntungkan. Bagaimana pendapat member yg lain?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Toxic Derivatives
Kalau sampai kebobrokan ini meletus, harga emas akan meroket. Kalau begitu, lebih baik 80% dana buat bli emas aja ah, 20% nya lagi buat inves di saham (bermain jangka pendek) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, TH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.kompas.com/kompascetak.php/read/xml/2008/02/29/0048145 Baca ttg derivatif beracuni ini yg bisa membawa krisis baru yg besar. Sumber tulisan Kompas itu dari tulisan Paul B.Farrel : di Market Watch.com http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/bernankes-recession-here-11- reasons/story.aspx?guid=%7B39D13A23-5028-4976-9883- BB1975099038%7Dprint=truedist=printTop
[obrolan-bandar] SOBI SIPD akan main
Saya memperhatikan transaksi SOBI SIPD, sepertinya saham ini akan segera dimainkan.
[obrolan-bandar] Buy CPRO now TP 350 1 month
CPRO masih murah banget, saatnya BUY. CPRO akan segera bergerak harganya. 4
[obrolan-bandar] Buy CPRO now TP 350 1 month
CPRO masih murah banget, saatnya BUY. CPRO akan segera bergerak harganya.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ptba perkasa!
Thx pak, saya juga lagi belajar koq, bukan ahli,hehe Wah, kalau mau prediksi sampai akhir tahun sih saya ga tau,haha. Tapi kalau minggu depan sih saya percaya bisa ke 14000. Setelah itu lebih baik cepat2 profit taking, ntar dah koreksi kita beli lagi. Salam.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Give Me Your Smile ...:\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: plok plok applaus buat pak wencen ... minggu yang lalu bapak bilang ptba bakal tembus 12.500 minggu dan pas terbukti hari ini menjelang week end . kita lihat minggu depan semoga ptba bisa tembus 14.000 akhir tahun berapa ptba pak wencen ? thanks
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ptba perkasa!
Actually I am not confident,hehe. But I am so confident with PTBA, SOBI and INDF. The chart and indicator showing bullish sign. Let's see, hope I am not wrong. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Marina Utama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not miss bearish but do you confident that market will up for the next week
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ptba perkasa!
You are rite rei. I remember when the market go down, BISI and TRIL still powerful. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There could be some profit taking on ptba, but today it is still up by 9+% though index is down by 1.5%...anything is possible as not every stock follows index's direction. Hope for the best!
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ptba perkasa!
You are rite rei. I remember when the market went down, BISI and TRIL still powerful. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There could be some profit taking on ptba, but today it is still up by 9+% though index is down by 1.5%...anything is possible as not every stock follows index's direction. Hope for the best!
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ptba perkasa!
PTBA one more high, then go down. Following ITMG pattern. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 13050-13100, vol 624 milyar... Firda, sudah beli kan?
[obrolan-bandar] Saya punya pertanyaan...
Para senior, saya mau tanya nih. Jika terjadi bencana dahsyat di US,misalnya gempa besar, apakah akan membuat bursa saham disana hancur? trus kalau hancur, apakah berpengaruh besar dgn bursa global? thx atas jawabannya.
[obrolan-bandar] Rumor : BRPT ke 3000
Ada rumor yg mengatakan BRPT akan diangkat ke 3000. Kelihatannya investor sedang memburu saham PTBA daripada BUMI. Go PTBA...Go INDF...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ptba perkasa!
PTBA mengikuti jejak ITMG. Saya percaya minggu depan bisa 14000. Let's go PTBA. Fly to the moon :-) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 13050-13100, vol 624 milyar... Firda, sudah beli kan?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI pindah ke PTBA??
Bumi mungkin akan berada di range 7600-7700 hari ini.Bumi kelihatannya telah membentuk double top reversal di 7700. Bumi terus mengalami kenaikan sejak tgl 2 mei tanpa retrace sedikitpun. Dan keadaan ini sangat rentan profit taking. Saran saya, jika bapak sudah profit lebih baik realisasikan saja dulu. Bumi sangat besar kemungkinannya utk retrace hingga 7200-7100. Grafik PTBA membentuk wash n rinse bullish dan MACD juga confirm kenaikan yg lebih lanjut.Saya percaya minimal PTBA bisa capai harga 12.500 minggu depan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak Wencen Yth, Terima kasih untuk petunjuknya. Apakah bisa minta tolong posting gambarnya atau penjelasan teknikalnya seperti bagaimana utk BUMI PTBA. Terima kasih. Salam, Ace
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI pindah ke PTBA??
Pak Aria, saya cuma membagikan apa yg saya pelajari dari org lain. Bapak boleh pelajari langsung di website ini http://vierjamal.blogspot.com/ Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak Wencen Yth, Trims utk petunjuk di BUMI, semoga sy sempet kabur sbelum mlorot. Ngomong² mengenai double top yg telah terbentuk, top-nya itu tanggal brapa pak? Kok di grafik saya gak kelihatan gambarnya. Mohon bantuan petunjuknya... Untuk PTBA, kalo dilihat dr candle sekarang sih sepertinya memang akan reversal naik ya... Tapi setting MACD-nya gimana ya? Di tempat saya kok sinyal beli-nya di 10 April. Tolong saya dibantu untuk mengerti konfirmasi kenaikan lebih lanjut dari indikator MACD-nya. Terima kasih banyak... Salam, Aria
[obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA ke 12.500
Dilihat dari formasi chart yg wash n rinse bullish,saya yakin PTBA akan capai 12000 di minggu depan. Saya sendiri ga akan jual sebelum 12000. Bagi yg sudah cuan di BUMI, sebaiknya jual segera di 8000. Jgn sampai kejadian tgl 25 feb dimana BUMI mencapai 8150 terus kemudian free fall terulang lagi. BUMI ada resisten yg sangat kuat di 8100. Bagi yg belum beli, mending tunggu hingga 7200 atau 7100 dulu. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Gerry Gunarto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ga usah dijawab deh. lebih cepat nge-cek sendiri. udah keduluanan tembus :))
[obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA ke 12.500
Volume PTBA meledak.Siap2 menyongsong 12000+ .
[obrolan-bandar] Chart INDF membentuk Head n Shoulder BULLISH reversal !!!
Sepertinya INDF akan naik dalam waktu dekat. Chart INDF membentuk Head n Shoulder BULLISH reversal !!! Ada yg bisa kasih masukan?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI pindah ke PTBA??
Secara teknikal, ptba berpeluang kuat untuk naik. Bumi hati2 dg profit taking, bisa terkoreksi hingga 7100.Biar aman, mending tunggu koreksi dulu hingga paling tidak 7200. TP PTBA 12000 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Kidod25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ada yang bisa kasih info? BUMI turun PTBA naik ...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI next week 6900
Taruhan kawin ama lembu deh kalau bumi next week bakal minimal 7600,hehe --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Felicia Rumondor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cash dulu BUMI nya tunggu lagi di 6900 wat wunderful world Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Mbah, index ditahan lagi sama bozz ya?
Grafik IHSG membentuk wash n rinse bullish. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Menguat kenceng detik2 terakhir...saya koq tambah yakin kalo sdg terjadi akumulasi.
[obrolan-bandar] Buy : ITMG
ITMG membentuk dragonfly doji hari ini. Besok saya yakin harga akan terbannggghe2
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI price - pls advise
BUMI target price 7600 BUMI sudah terjadi exponential golden cross --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bill Jone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gw baru jual bumi di 7000... abis dah..., eh sekarang lari 7150
[obrolan-bandar] Helloooo... Do You Like Monday?
Not So Good Friday For Goldman and Lehman Melinda Peer, 03.21.08, 6:15 PM ET http://www.forbes.com/markets/emergingmarkets/2008/03/21/goldman-sachs-c\ loser-markets-equity-cx_mp_0321markets18.html What if the other shoe drops but no one hears? Standard Poor's analysts tested the tree-falling-in-an-empty-forest scenario, as it lowered the outlooks for Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers to negative while markets were closed. Standard Poor's analysts Scott Sprinzen and Diane Hinton affirmed their AA-/A-1+ rating for Goldman Sachs Group (nyse: GS - news - people ) and A+/A-1 rating for Lehman Brothers Holdings (nyse: LEH - news - people ), pointing to strong underlying businesses and acceptable first-quarter earnings. But SP also lowered the companies' outlooks to negative from stable on expectations of 20%-to-30% drops in net sales after write-downs going forward. The analysts also revised their outlook for the U.S. securities industry at large to negative, meaning there is a one-in-three chance that there will be a rating change in the next two years. Goldman shares closed Thursday ahead by $13.14, or 7.9% , to $179.63 and Lehman stock added $6.42, or 15.2%, at $48.65. Analysts, while acknowledging the Federal Reserve's support for U.S. broker-dealers boosts confidence in capital markets, said negative outlooks for independent securities firms are appropriate since the potential for decreased profitability is still substantial. The slashed outlook may be especially difficult for Lehman Brothers to stomach. The financial services firm, whose business mix most closely resembles that of virtually collapsed Bear Stearns (nyse: BSC - news - people ), has dismissed recent rumors that it's headed down the same ditch as Bear (See: Financials Fall Into Bear Pit). Analyst Sprinzen says Lehman has done a better job managing its liquidity than Bear. As of Feb. 29, the firm's excess liquidity structure was $34 billion. Lehman is among the largest proportionately of the U.S. broker-dealers, and its sources-to-uses ratio is the strongest of the five, Sprinzen said, adding that earnings have held up and Lehman's fixed income business remains profitable despite being directly affected by the economic slowdown and problematic asset-related write-downs. Sprinzen called Goldman Sachs' leftover mortgage and leveraged finance-related commitments manageable and praised the strength of its liquidity position. However ... the firm's emphasis on trading activities and its aggressive risk appetite leave it open to the possibility that major missteps could ultimately occur, leading to a change in investor sentiments, Sprinzen said. Although Goldman is the most profitable U.S. broker-dealer, Sprizen said last quarter's profits were weak, with sales off 35% from the previous year. Documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Thursday March 20 show that Goldman's President and Co-Chief Operating Officer Jon Winkelried sold some 30,000 shares at about $173.85 each, totaling approximately $5.2 million, from Wednesday to Thursday. Vice Chairman Michael Sherwood unloaded some 7300 shares at a per share price of about $174.85, totaling close to $1.3 million Wednesday. Goldman could not be reached for comment.
[obrolan-bandar] Revealed: The Dirty Tricks of Rogue Traders
May be Elaine's BOZZ is one of the rogue trader...hmmm..just curious. Elaine works in Singapore... Revealed: The Dirty Tricks of Rogue Traders By Robert Winnett The Telegraph, London Friday, March 21, 2008 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/21/nhedgi\ ... A hedge fund based in London set up a dirty-tricks unit to manipulate share prices and get illicit information on companies in an attempt to make millions on the stock market, an insider has revealed. As the official hunt began for the rogue traders who tried to bring down Britain's biggest mortgage lender, HBOS, The Daily Telegraph can reveal a whistle-blower's account of how a multi-billion pound fund allegedly used illegal tactics to drive down stock prices. Private detectives were allegedly employed to hack into executives' emails and telephone records. Front companies were set up to allow the hedge fund traders to pose as independent researchers or journalists. Negative information on companies was then distributed to leading investment banks in the hope that rumours would spread and some share prices would fall. The hedge fund, which cannot be named for legal reasons, stood to make millions from short-selling the shares as they fell in value. The allegations -- made in a sworn statement seen by The Daily Telegraph and which has been sent to financial regulators -- will add to growing concern over the activities of rogue traders in the City. The Financial Services Authority, the City regulator, has begun a criminal investigation to find the trader who allegedly made L100 million from the 17 per cent slump in HBOS shares on Wednesday. The shares fell after malicious rumours were spread in the City about the bank, sparking fears that the price had been illegally manipulated -- a move described as the modern day version of bank robbery. FSA investigators are seeking emails sent to traders that are thought to have prompted widespread selling of HBOS shares. They claimed the bank was experiencing difficulties. It has emerged that the rumours are thought to have originated in the Far East, with Singapore named as the most likely source. Nick Leeson, the notorious rogue trader responsible for the collapse of Barings Bank, also operated in Singapore. In a separate development, Credit Suisse, the investment bank, admitted that it had uncovered a separate L1.4 billion share-dealing scam by rogue traders -- many of whom were based in London -- who were trying to protect their bonuses. The Credit Suisse traders are understood to have sought to cover up their trading losses at the end of last year. The revelations follow a week of turmoil in the global markets after the near collapse of the American investment bank Bear Stearns. Following a meeting with the major banks, it emerged that the Bank of England was considering helping to alleviate the financial crisis by easing the restrictions on banks seeking to borrow money from it. The accusations about the hedge fund form the most detailed account yet of the illicit activity carried out by the London office of a major international hedge fund. Such tactics are also thought to be used by other hedge funds. The sworn statement containing the allegations is understood to have been sent to the FSA last year although it is not known what action the regulator took. The document alleges that: -- Employees of the hedge fund ordered an American-based private detective to hack into the corporate email systems of two firms in which the hedge fund had an interest. -- A bogus firm with a phony internet address was established to allow employees to pose as independent researchers and approach company executives to garner information on their firms' future financial prospects. The firm was also used to gain access to industry conferences. -- A false Website with a bogus address was also registered to allow hedge fund traders to pose as journalists. The offices of American politicians were approached by people claiming to be journalists to obtain information about potential new laws banning internet gambling that would hit British firms. -- Jurors and their families in a sensitive legal case into whether a firm had exclusive patent rights in which the hedge fund had invested were tapped up. Money was allegedly paid to jurors' families for information about jury-room deliberations. -- Hedge fund staff gathered sensitive negative information on firms in which they had an interest in the share price falling. This information was distributed to leading investment banks whose experts were encouraged to take a dim view of the prospects of the company's shares. A German media consultant was also used to disseminate information. -- A safe containing large amounts of cash was installed in the hedge fund's office. Money was paid to sources providing valuable inside information. On one occasion, an anonymous informant was paid $50,000. The hedge fund at the centre of the
[obrolan-bandar] Re: jika komdt turun. mk yg naik...
Silver Shortage: 19 dealers reported Sold Out (SOLD OUT!!) Silver Stock Report by Jason Hommel, March 19, 2008 You know me, I don't send out two emails in one day, so this must be important. Since my email earlier tonight, where I reported that 5-6 major silver dealers (Amark, Tulving, 2 in Vancouver, my local dealer, NWT Mint) are out of inventory, 13 more reports came in, saying that the dealers were out of silver inventory. Some of these names are big names in the business, Scotia bank, the Perth Mint in Australia, CNI Numismatics in LA, APMEX says they have some items, but are looking to buy. If there are any coin dealers or bullion shops that have an inventory, in stock, of more than 100, 100 oz. bars, let me know, and I'll give you FREE Advertising within 24 hours in my next newsletter. Robert Mish reports that he has 100 x 100 oz. bars still, but he had 250 bars last week. Mish International Menlo Park 650-324-9110 Now think: How can the silver price drop by nearly $2/oz., when all these reports come in saying that the dealers are sold out, or nearly out, of physical silver? This is the clearest evidence of paper short selling manipulation that I've ever seen since I started watching the silver market back in 1999, and I've seen a lot of evidence! Unfortunately, the COT reports only report through Tuesday. This Wednesday's action will not be revealed in the COT's until next Friday. The public switched and turned buyers after gold hit $1000/oz. The coin shops normally sell to the refineries, and this creates a large part of the ~250 million oz. of silver recycling each year that meets the deficit between ~650 million oz. mine supply, and ~1000 million oz. demanded by inventory. But now, this flow of silver just reversed. And if the refineries are not getting silver from the coin shops, industry will get squeezed, hard, and so will the major short sellers on the COMEX. This is crunch time. Panic time. The unedited reports follow (Names removed for privacy.) === Coin shop report from St. Louis, MO. I shop at Missouri Coin and have purchased bulk 10oz bars (20 at a time) on several occasions. I went shopping yesterday and they only had 9 10oz bars available and the owner commented that he cannot find more anywhere. He was out of 10oz bars when I left... I ended up picking up a bag of quarters as well since they didn't have the bar stock I was looking for. A crunch is on. J in St. Louis = From: Ainslie Bullion Coy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2008 10:53 AM To: 'Linda Wagner' Subject: RE: price Sorry, I can't quote silver until the middle of next month. The supplier won't quote until then Kind regards Geoff Ainslie Bullion Company GPO Box 1870 Brisbane Qld 4001 Tel: +61 7 3221 0500 Fax: +61 7 3229 1895 = Jason, My coin dealer is in Bakersfield CA. Mike's Coin and Stamp. My wife and I went in on monday and bought 4 100 oz. bars. Said he had a good supply of those. I also wanted some smaller bars and I wiped him out. Only 160 oz total. He says he can't keep them in stock very long before someone comes in and empties his supply. He's having a hard time getting replacements. He's the largest dealer in the area and very trustworthy. We also bought gold. At least some people seem to be taking serious what's going on. H = HI Jason: CNI near the L.A. airport at www.golddealer.com is the dealer I have usedThey were out of silver today also... E (CNI is a major dealer --Jason) = Jason, Just placed another order with Perth Mint, they are out of stock on everything, however there waiting period is no longer 6 months (Im guessing they received alot of complaints) its now 6-8 weeks. Just got off the phone with them, they have no bullion in stock, its all on backorder, the official excuse is that it takes along time to make the bars and everyone wants them, could be viiewed as a good thing knowing demand is high, but I personaly dont like waiting 6-8 weeks for delivery. I contacted several other dealers in Sydney, only 1 out of 5 has stock.. Everyone has back orders with PM which is the distributor. Regards, S = APMEX reports, at apmex.com Due to the OVERWHELMING demand for precious metals, our online ordering system has been unable to keep up with our customers' needs. We have had to disable the APMEX ordering system to allow us ample time to upgrade our site to accommodate the increased demand. We apologize for this temporary problem. . . . P.S.We are actively looking for new bullion inventory to purchase. If you have items that total $2,500 or more and are interested in selling, please call our trading offices at the number listed above. We are paying strong numbers for ALL Precious Metals! = I want to tell you that your site is very helpfull
[obrolan-bandar] Re: please jangan buang BUMI lagi....
Maaf pak, bukannya mau nakutin.Tapi kayaknya bumi bakal dibawa turun sampe dibawah 6000 deh. Coba baca ulasan dari seorang independent trader professional (moderator detik forum) di bawah ini. Selama ini, analisanya terbukti sangat akurat. Link : http://vierjamal.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html (posting tgl 21 Februari 08) Bumi pagi ini berhasil menciptakan NFR (New Fresh Record 7700) luar biasa ! Morning briefing kita kemarin TLKM tentunya banyak yang sudah mendapatkan GAIN pagi ini tetapi ingat realisasikan bila strategi anda day trade, jangan membiasakan diri merubah plan walaupun anda tau emiten tsb masih kuat naik.(Day trade vs Swing Trade) jangan campur aduk kalau anda tidak mau diaduk2 seperti gado2 dan akhirnya CL. Ada apa dengan BUMI ? kenaikan BUMI sdh cukup tinggi menurut saya bahkan rallynya membuat saya berfikir apakah ini harga sesungguhnya ataukah harga future, tetapi sudahlah itu pengaruh fundamental analisis saya karena saya sadar kembali I,m Chartist sehingga fokus saya kapan saya menjual semua saham saya yang saya beli 3 bulan lalu. jarang sekali ada emiten dengan pattern Parabolic Curve Training dibandung tanggal 23 february nanti saya akan membahasnya. coba lihat contoh ilustrasi sebelah kiri, kecenderungan setelah mencapai titik tertinggi pergerakan saham ini akan reversal hingga sampai batas 50% fibonnaci retracement (5750) hari ini BUMI sdh membentuk NFR dan candlestick mulai membentuk inverted hammer, Parabolic SAR sdh jenuh walaupun Stochastic tdk memberikan signal overbought tetapi anda harus hati2, perhatikan kekiri secara histrorikal pattern BUMI sebelum terjun bebas biasanya tidak tiba2 tetapi pasti. dan coba perhatikan VOLUME ? seharusnya volumenya naik kalau harga naik, tetapi tidak demikian dengan BUMI bandingakan gambar (A) dichart degan (A) digrafik volume, penurunan teratur, investors besar dan professional traders sdh keluar diam2 dan sekarang ramai2 dikerubutin (meminjam istilah Pak Blin) oleh retail investors dan investors besar tapi pemula, ini awal masuk siklus (3) kalaupun ini swing trap saya belum melihat adanya konfirmasi. Jual BUMI sebelum terlambat. salam vier
[obrolan-bandar] International experts foresee collapse of U.S. economy
http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 And you thought that I had a gloomy outlook on the economy. Now the bad news pops up everywhere. Harry Koza in the Globe and Mail quotes Bernard Connelly, the global strategist at Banque AIG in London, who claims that the likelihood of a Great Depression is growing by the day. Martin Wolf, celebrated columnist of the U.K.-based Financial Times, cites Dr. Nouriel Roubini of the New York University's Stern School of Business, who, in 12 steps, outlines how the losses of the American financial system will grow to more than $1 trillion - that's one million times $1 million. That amount is equal to all the assets of all American banks. Every day now, thousands of people all over the U.S. and Great Britain are walking away from their homes - simply mailing their house keys to the banks - as housing bailout plans fail. With unemployment growing, the next phase will hit commercial real estate making the financial institutions the unwilling owners not only of quickly depreciating houses, but also of empty strip malls and even larger shopping centres. The next domino to fall will be credit card defaults, and after that... who knows? There are so many exotic funds out there, with trillions of dollars in paper - or rather computer-screen money - all carrying assorted acronyms, and all about to disintegrate into nothingness. Over the next couple of years, scores of banks that have thrived on these devices, based on quickly disappearing equities, will fail. The most frightening forecast so far comes from the Global Europe Anticipation Bulletin (GEAB), available for 200 euros - about $300 - for 16 issues annually. Its prediction is quite specific. Where my warnings never spelled out an exact date, this think tank has it pegged precisely. Here are its very words: The end of the third quarter of 2008 (thus late September, a mere seven months from now) will be marked by a new tipping point in the unfolding of the global systemic crisis. At that time indeed, the cumulated impact of the various sequences of the crisis will reach its maximum strength and affect decisively the very heart of the systems concerned, on the front line of which (is) the United States, epicentre of the current crisis. In the United States, this new tipping point will translate into - get this - a collapse of the real economy, (the) final socio-economic stage of the serial bursting of the housing and financial bubbles and of the pursuance of the U.S. dollar fall. The collapse of U.S. real economy means the virtual freeze of the American economic machinery: private and public bankruptcies in large numbers, companies and public services closing down. Advertisement The report goes on to say that we are entering a period for which there is no historic precedent. Any comparisons with previous situations in our modern economy are invalid. We are not experiencing a remake of the 1929 crisis nor a repetition of the 1970s oil crises or 1987 stock market crisis. What we will have, instead, is truly a global momentous threat - a true turning point affecting the entire planet and questioning the very foundations of the international system upon which the world was organized in the last decades. The report emphasizes that it is, first and foremost, in the United States where this historic happening is taking an unprecedented shape (the authors call it Very Great U.S. Depression). It continues to predict that, although this crucial event is global, it will be the beginning of an economic 'decoupling' between the U.S. and the rest of the world. However, non 'decoupled' economies will be dragged down the U.S. negative spiral. Concerning stock markets, the GEAB anticipates that international stocks would plummet by 40 to 80 per cent depending where in the world they are located, all affected in the course of the year 2008 by the collapse of the real economy in the U.S. by the end of summer. The European authors of this report - it appears simultaneously in French, German and English - state that they simply and without prejudice try to describe in advance the consequences of the ominous trends at play in this 21st-century world, and to share these with their readers, so that they can take the proper means to protect themselves from the most negative effects. So there you have it. Three reports from three different sources, all well regarded, and all pointing to a disastrous fall-out from our monetary moves.
