Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[doekoen jamoe]

After reading all the Bull shit information above,
I aggre that all of the mesage above are 100% Bull shit,
all of them only base from bull shit "hearing", "issue", bla bla bla
which suppose to be classified as a bullshit information.
So do you belive a bullshit information to play your own money? bull shit

DJ




On 4/7/08, Edwin Lumanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
>
> "kang_ocoy_maen_saham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > wakakakakak
> > gebleg.., gila saking kacawnya ampe pada mulai2 cabul.. padahal
> BB17
> > sudah hilang dari peradaban..
>
> dah pindah alamat kang ocoy,
> ada bb17 yg baru nih :
> http://www.bb17.info/
>
> buat embah & member OB biar gak mupeng & suntuk.
>
> 
>

Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Rei]

Thank you Marina. Let's hope for the best...

Marina Utama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I heard from one of my 
sources, FM in Shanghai, there are big funds over there who have lost tons of 
money, but now the China government has done and will do all efforts to closed 
out all news not to be broken out before the Beijing Olympics, for being afraid 
that this news, will sent BIG BANG to global market and consequently will 
undermine their olympics efforts to be a BIG memorable events. BUT, as the old 
adage says, we cannot covered up the SMELLY things forever, once the Olympic 
over, I am afraid this news will have bigger impact than subprime in US
   
  Just be very careful, I see May- Aug could be Bullish, but if this news 
really happening than Sept- Nov could be very Bearsih, and then Dec could a 
little bit up after window dressing for the year end closing. Then next year 
will all depend on Pemilu
   
  Hopefully useful
  MU

Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  What news in China (after the Olympics)? Care to share more Marina? 
Thanks.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Marina Utama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Banks cannot performed well here in Indonesia since they are not 
channeling funds to real sector yet as they supposed to be as a 
financial intermediaries. So they just piling up their funds in SBI 
from time to time so what's the sources for the banks to get an 
aggressive growth? Just recently more and more banks channeling 
funds to Agri, but this will take another 6 months to take an 
effect. 
> 
> And be careful banks are currently exposed to high credit card's 
bad debt and it will explode sometime. Watch after Beijing Olimpic 
done, there will be BIG market shakeup as big as Sub prime Mortgage 
in US, but since China have bigger role in Asis, the effect may be 
bigger, they just hold on and cover up the news now, since they will 
do everything to make a Beijing Olimpics a success one, but after 
the party stops, the news will be broken
> 
> Rgds,
> MU
> 
> jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine 
>  wrote:
> >
> > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be 
saved 
> by them
> > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it 
could 
> be BAD for
> > commodities. 
> 
> USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
> down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
> This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..
> 
> Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only 
> an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market 
> panic (Embah believe this).
> 
> In bahasa we have a proverb: 
> - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
> 
> Are they fishing now ?.
> 
> Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.
> 
> I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> > performance are ugly.
> > 
> > Elaine**
> > *
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > jsx-consultant@> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *2005.
> > > >
> > > > Elaine**
> > >
> > > Elaine,
> > >
> > > Index sectoral:
> > > - MINING: +2,46%
> > > - AGRI: +1,36%
> > >
> > > IHSG -0,4%
> > >
> > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> > >
> > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> > >
> > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Marina Utama]

I heard from one of my sources, FM in Shanghai, there are big funds over there 
who have lost tons of money, but now the China government has done and will do 
all efforts to closed out all news not to be broken out before the Beijing 
Olympics, for being afraid that this news, will sent BIG BANG to global market 
and consequently will undermine their olympics efforts to be a BIG memorable 
events. BUT, as the old adage says, we cannot covered up the SMELLY things 
forever, once the Olympic over, I am afraid this news will have bigger impact 
than subprime in US
   
  Just be very careful, I see May- Aug could be Bullish, but if this news 
really happening than Sept- Nov could be very Bearsih, and then Dec could a 
little bit up after window dressing for the year end closing. Then next year 
will all depend on Pemilu
   
  Hopefully useful
  MU

Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  What news in China (after the Olympics)? Care to share more Marina? 
Thanks.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Marina Utama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Banks cannot performed well here in Indonesia since they are not 
channeling funds to real sector yet as they supposed to be as a 
financial intermediaries. So they just piling up their funds in SBI 
from time to time so what's the sources for the banks to get an 
aggressive growth? Just recently more and more banks channeling 
funds to Agri, but this will take another 6 months to take an 
effect. 
> 
> And be careful banks are currently exposed to high credit card's 
bad debt and it will explode sometime. Watch after Beijing Olimpic 
done, there will be BIG market shakeup as big as Sub prime Mortgage 
in US, but since China have bigger role in Asis, the effect may be 
bigger, they just hold on and cover up the news now, since they will 
do everything to make a Beijing Olimpics a success one, but after 
the party stops, the news will be broken
> 
> Rgds,
> MU
> 
> jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine 
>  wrote:
> >
> > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be 
saved 
> by them
> > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it 
could 
> be BAD for
> > commodities. 
> 
> USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
> down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
> This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..
> 
> Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only 
> an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market 
> panic (Embah believe this).
> 
> In bahasa we have a proverb: 
> - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
> 
> Are they fishing now ?.
> 
> Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.
> 
> I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> > performance are ugly.
> > 
> > Elaine**
> > *
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > jsx-consultant@> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *2005.
> > > >
> > > > Elaine**
> > >
> > > Elaine,
> > >
> > > Index sectoral:
> > > - MINING: +2,46%
> > > - AGRI: +1,36%
> > >
> > > IHSG -0,4%
> > >
> > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> > >
> > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> > >
> > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of 
Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
>



   

   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Adam Rajsha]

mungkin juga angka 8% tsb bukan bottom, tapi di tahun 2008 ini akan jadi
bottomnya BI rate.
artinya BI rate di akhir 2009 akan lebih tinggi dari BI rate di akhir 2008
ini.

disc. on

salam,
AR

On 4/7/08, Marina Utama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Kalo lihat trendnya biasanya spread antara Fed Rate dengan BI rate
> sekitar 5% dan saat ini sudah lebih dari 5%, yah karena di Indo ini double
> edged sword, serba salah mau dinaikin salah, dan mau diturunkan ikutin Fed
> rate juga salah, karena harga makanan naik tinggi plus harga minyak yg juga
> tak kunjung turun, sebenarnya ada peluang untuk BI rate diturunkan mengikuti
> Fed rate asalkan harga2 komoditas bisa turun, sehingga tekanan inflasi juga
> berkurang
>
> Rgds,
> MU
> Go Manchester United!
>
> *Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
>  resend.edited:
>
> itu info dari salah satu FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget &
> siap dng gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...
>
>
> On 4/7/08, Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > itu info dari salah FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget & siap
> > dng gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...
> >
> > On 4/7/08, Hendra Santosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Wah 8% sampai tahun depan trus dinaikkan lagi?, weks kasihan real
> > > sector bisa mati lehernya, jangan ah. Hehe ;)
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Adam Rajsha
> > > *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2008 4:30 PM
> > > *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC
> > > dan BBCA mulai berkurang
> > >
> > >   tahun depan (2009), BI rate udah pasti akan naik, tahun ini kayaknya
> > > udah bottom (8%), apa bisa saham2 bank perform tahun depan bila ada
> > > sentiment kenaikan BI rate tsb?
> > >
> > >  lagi2 mining & agro yg nantinya akan menyelamatkan IHSG.
> > >  sebaiknya pindah ke kapal yg lebih kuat dan lebih besar dari
> > > sekarang, badai tahun depan sudah terlihat ada di banking.
> > >
> > >  disc on
> > >
> > >  salam,
> > >  AR
> > >
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[PyRiEL PyRiEL]

payah MU, kemaren harusnya kalah dari the BORO
lho koq jadi bola??? huehehehehehe

setuju dengan mbak MU,
dengan gap yang besar antara fed dan SBI, ujung2nya stagflasi
gap itu dipersempit, sama aja ngundang inflasi..
so? terkadang saya berpikir, mudah sekali yah jadi komentator..
padahal kalo dia sendiri yang lakukan belom tentu jago

2008/4/7 Marina Utama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>   Kalo lihat trendnya biasanya spread antara Fed Rate dengan BI rate
> sekitar 5% dan saat ini sudah lebih dari 5%, yah karena di Indo ini double
> edged sword, serba salah mau dinaikin salah, dan mau diturunkan ikutin Fed
> rate juga salah, karena harga makanan naik tinggi plus harga minyak yg juga
> tak kunjung turun, sebenarnya ada peluang untuk BI rate diturunkan mengikuti
> Fed rate asalkan harga2 komoditas bisa turun, sehingga tekanan inflasi juga
> berkurang
>
> Rgds,
> MU
> Go Manchester United!
>
> *Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
>  resend.edited:
>
> itu info dari salah satu FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget &
> siap dng gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...
>
>
> On 4/7/08, Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > itu info dari salah FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget & siap
> > dng gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...
> >
> > On 4/7/08, Hendra Santosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Wah 8% sampai tahun depan trus dinaikkan lagi?, weks kasihan real
> > > sector bisa mati lehernya, jangan ah. Hehe ;)
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Adam Rajsha
> > > *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2008 4:30 PM
> > > *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC
> > > dan BBCA mulai berkurang
> > >
> > >   tahun depan (2009), BI rate udah pasti akan naik, tahun ini kayaknya
> > > udah bottom (8%), apa bisa saham2 bank perform tahun depan bila ada
> > > sentiment kenaikan BI rate tsb?
> > >
> > >  lagi2 mining & agro yg nantinya akan menyelamatkan IHSG.
> > >  sebaiknya pindah ke kapal yg lebih kuat dan lebih besar dari
> > > sekarang, badai tahun depan sudah terlihat ada di banking.
> > >
> > >  disc on
> > >
> > >  salam,
> > >  AR
> > >
> > > ###
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> > > Exchange.
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> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Marina Utama]

Kalo lihat trendnya biasanya spread antara Fed Rate dengan BI rate sekitar 5% 
dan saat ini sudah lebih dari 5%, yah karena di Indo ini double edged sword, 
serba salah mau dinaikin salah, dan mau diturunkan ikutin Fed rate juga salah, 
karena harga makanan naik tinggi plus harga minyak yg juga tak kunjung turun, 
sebenarnya ada peluang untuk BI rate diturunkan mengikuti Fed rate asalkan 
harga2 komoditas bisa turun, sehingga tekanan inflasi juga berkurang
   
  Rgds,
  MU
  Go Manchester United! 

Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
resend.edited:
   
  itu info dari salah satu FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget & siap 
dng gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...

 
  On 4/7/08, Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   itu info dari salah FM 
asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget & siap dng gonjrang ganjring saham 
kayak gini di tahun depan...   

  On 4/7/08, Hendra Santosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wah 8% 
sampai tahun depan trus dinaikkan lagi?, weks kasihan real sector bisa mati 
lehernya, jangan ah. Hehe ;)
   
  
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  From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Adam Rajsha
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:30 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA 
mulai berkurang

   
  tahun depan (2009), BI rate udah pasti akan naik, tahun ini kayaknya 
udah bottom (8%), apa bisa saham2 bank perform tahun depan bila ada sentiment 
kenaikan BI rate tsb?

 

lagi2 mining & agro yg nantinya akan menyelamatkan IHSG.

sebaiknya pindah ke kapal yg lebih kuat dan lebih besar dari sekarang, 
badai tahun depan sudah terlihat ada di banking. 

 

disc on

 

salam,

AR

 





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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Adam Rajsha]

resend.edited:

itu info dari salah satu FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget &
siap dng gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...


On 4/7/08, Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> itu info dari salah FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget & siap
> dng gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...
>
> On 4/7/08, Hendra Santosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Wah 8% sampai tahun depan trus dinaikkan lagi?, weks kasihan real
> > sector bisa mati lehernya, jangan ah. Hehe ;)
> >
> >
> >  --
> >
> > *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Adam Rajsha
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2008 4:30 PM
> > *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan
> > BBCA mulai berkurang
> >
> >
> >
> > tahun depan (2009), BI rate udah pasti akan naik, tahun ini kayaknya
> > udah bottom (8%), apa bisa saham2 bank perform tahun depan bila ada
> > sentiment kenaikan BI rate tsb?
> >
> >
> >
> > lagi2 mining & agro yg nantinya akan menyelamatkan IHSG.
> >
> > sebaiknya pindah ke kapal yg lebih kuat dan lebih besar dari sekarang,
> > badai tahun depan sudah terlihat ada di banking.
> >
> >
> >
> > disc on
> >
> >
> >
> > salam,
> >
> > AR
> >
> >
> > ###
> >
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> > Exchange.
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Marina Utama]

Waduh, ini tanda-tanda sudah pada stress semua, jadi otak sudah turun ke bawah 
perut? Kalo topik yg menyimpang kayak gini ada baiknya dibuka milis baru deh 
dengan forum yang beginian, habis embah yang mulai dengan minta CD EL juga sih? 
Mana ada hokinya?
   
  J/K
  

kang_ocoy_maen_saham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  wakakakakak
gebleg.., gila saking kacawnya ampe pada mulai2 cabul.. padahal BB17 
sudah hilang dari peradaban.. 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Pemain Mini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> apa sih taruhan ilang nenen ??
> mau nenen ama elaine ?? ngaku ajahahaha
> ntar digebuk pak boyz loh.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Djokro Wijaja 
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC 
dan BBCA mulai berkurang
> 
> 
> Ketawa terus, sampe mules. RODA SELALU BERPUTAR
> semakin orang putus asa, semakin mudah dikendalikan.
> 2000, cuman mimpi, taruhan ilang NENEN kalo 2000 tembus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Elaine 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> LOL
> 
> Elaine
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Akur Saja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Belum belanja lah, kan mo nungguin IHSG 2000.
> Ibaratnya Ms. El, ini kayak mpok-mpok yang belanja di Pasar, 
nawarnya gak tanggung-tanggung, misal Bawang Merah Rp.8.000 / kilo, 
dia akan tawar Rp.4.000 / kilo udah gitu minta tambah bonus cabe 
sekilo.
> Paling Pedagangnya cuma bilang : "Cabedeh". [as]
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM, jsx_consultant  wrote:
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine 
>  wrote:
> >
> 
> > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX 
could be saved 
> 
> by them
> > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, 
it could 
> be BAD for
> > commodities. 
> 
> 
> USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when 
IHSG
> down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
> This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up 
VIOLENCELY..
> 
> Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only 
> an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market 
> panic (Embah believe this).
> 
> In bahasa we have a proverb: 
> - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
> 
> Are they fishing now ?.
> 
> Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?. 
> 
> 
> I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> > performance are ugly.
> > 
> > Elaine**
> > *
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> 
> > jsx-consultant@> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *2005.
> > > >
> > > > Elaine**
> > >
> > > Elaine,
> > >
> > > Index sectoral:
> > > - MINING: +2,46%
> > > - AGRI: +1,36%
> > >
> > > IHSG -0,4%
> > >
> > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> > >
> > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> > >
> > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the 
downtrend
> > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama 
dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>



   

   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Adam Rajsha]

itu info dari salah FM asing gede Pak, agar nasabahnya ngak kaget & siap dng
gonjrang ganjring saham kayak gini di tahun depan...

On 4/7/08, Hendra Santosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Wah 8% sampai tahun depan trus dinaikkan lagi?, weks kasihan real
> sector bisa mati lehernya, jangan ah. Hehe ;)
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Adam Rajsha
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2008 4:30 PM
> *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan
> BBCA mulai berkurang
>
>
>
> tahun depan (2009), BI rate udah pasti akan naik, tahun ini kayaknya udah
> bottom (8%), apa bisa saham2 bank perform tahun depan bila ada sentiment
> kenaikan BI rate tsb?
>
>
>
> lagi2 mining & agro yg nantinya akan menyelamatkan IHSG.
>
> sebaiknya pindah ke kapal yg lebih kuat dan lebih besar dari sekarang,
> badai tahun depan sudah terlihat ada di banking.
>
>
>
> disc on
>
>
>
> salam,
>
> AR
>
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RE: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Hendra Santosa]

Wah 8% sampai tahun depan trus dinaikkan lagi?, weks kasihan real sector
bisa mati lehernya, jangan ah. Hehe ;)

 

  _  

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Adam Rajsha
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:30 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA
mulai berkurang

 

tahun depan (2009), BI rate udah pasti akan naik, tahun ini kayaknya udah
bottom (8%), apa bisa saham2 bank perform tahun depan bila ada sentiment
kenaikan BI rate tsb?

 

lagi2 mining & agro yg nantinya akan menyelamatkan IHSG.

sebaiknya pindah ke kapal yg lebih kuat dan lebih besar dari sekarang, badai
tahun depan sudah terlihat ada di banking. 

 

disc on

 

salam,

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Adam Rajsha]

tahun depan (2009), BI rate udah pasti akan naik, tahun ini kayaknya udah
bottom (8%), apa bisa saham2 bank perform tahun depan bila ada sentiment
kenaikan BI rate tsb?

lagi2 mining & agro yg nantinya akan menyelamatkan IHSG.
sebaiknya pindah ke kapal yg lebih kuat dan lebih besar dari sekarang, badai
tahun depan sudah terlihat ada di banking.

disc on

salam,
AR




On 4/7/08, Marina Utama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Banks cannot performed well here in Indonesia since they are not
> channeling funds to real sector yet as they supposed to be as a financial
> intermediaries. So they just piling up their funds in SBI from time to time
> so what's the sources for the banks to get an aggressive growth? Just
> recently more and more banks channeling funds to Agri, but this will take
> another 6 months to take an effect.
>
> And be careful banks are currently exposed to high credit card's bad debt
> and it will explode sometime. Watch after Beijing Olimpic done, there will
> be BIG market shakeup as big as Sub prime Mortgage in US, but since China
> have bigger role in Asis, the effect may be bigger, they just hold on and
> cover up the news now, since they will do everything to make a Beijing
> Olimpics a success one, but after the party stops, the news will be broken
>
> Rgds,
> MU
>
> *jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
>  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> Elaine
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved
> by them
> > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could
> be BAD for
> > commodities.
>
> USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
> down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
> This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..
>
> Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only
> an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market
> panic (Embah believe this).
>
> In bahasa we have a proverb:
> - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
>
> Are they fishing now ?.
>
> Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.
>
> I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> > performance are ugly.
> >
> > Elaine**
> > *
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> Elaine
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *2005.
> > > >
> > > > Elaine**
> > >
> > > Elaine,
> > >
> > > Index sectoral:
> > > - MINING: +2,46%
> > > - AGRI: +1,36%
> > >
> > > IHSG -0,4%
> > >
> > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> > >
> > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> > >
> > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>  --
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Marina Utama]

Banks cannot performed well here in Indonesia since they are not channeling 
funds to real sector yet as they supposed to be as a financial intermediaries. 
So they just piling up their funds in SBI from time to time so what's the 
sources for the banks to get an aggressive growth? Just recently more and more 
banks channeling funds to Agri, but this will take another 6 months to take an 
effect. 
   
  And be careful banks are currently exposed to high credit card's bad debt and 
it will explode sometime. Watch after Beijing Olimpic done, there will be BIG 
market shakeup as big as Sub prime Mortgage in US, but since China have bigger 
role in Asis, the effect may be bigger, they just hold on and cover up the news 
now, since they will do everything to make a Beijing Olimpics a success one, 
but after the party stops, the news will be broken
   
  Rgds,
  MU

jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved 
by them
> as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could 
be BAD for
> commodities. 

USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..

Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only 
an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market 
panic (Embah believe this).

In bahasa we have a proverb: 
- MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...

Are they fishing now ?.

Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.

I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> performance are ugly.
> 
> Elaine**
> *
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > *2005.
> > >
> > > Elaine**
> >
> > Elaine,
> >
> > Index sectoral:
> > - MINING: +2,46%
> > - AGRI: +1,36%
> >
> > IHSG -0,4%
> >
> > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> >
> > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> >
> > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > + +
> > + + + + +
> > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > + + + + +
> > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



   

   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Adam Rajsha]

resend. edited
Mbah... *you are amazing man*, beruntunglah trader2 yg masuk milis ini.


On 4/7/08, Adam Rajsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mbah... your amazing man, beruntunglah trader2 yg masuk milis ini.
>
> salam,
> AR
>
>
>  On 4/7/08, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> > Elaine
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved
> > by them
> > > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could
> > be BAD for
> > > commodities.
> >
> > USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
> > down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
> > This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..
> >
> > Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only
> > an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market
> > panic (Embah believe this).
> >
> > In bahasa we have a proverb:
> > - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
> >
> > Are they fishing now ?.
> >
> > Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.
> >
> > I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> > > performance are ugly.
> > >
> > > Elaine**
> > > *
> > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> > Elaine
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *2005.
> > > > >
> > > > > Elaine**
> > > >
> > > > Elaine,
> > > >
> > > > Index sectoral:
> > > > - MINING: +2,46%
> > > > - AGRI: +1,36%
> > > >
> > > > IHSG -0,4%
> > > >
> > > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> > > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > + +
> > > > + + + + +
> > > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > > + + + + +
> > > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
>
>

Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Tenkai]

Minggu lalu ada intervensi.. 

jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In 
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine 
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved 
 by them
 > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could 
 be BAD for
 > commodities. 
 
 USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
 down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
 This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..
 
 Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only 
 an ARTIFICIAL ONE  by Local Big Player to make the market 
 panic (Embah believe this).
 
 In bahasa we have a proverb: 
 - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
 
 Are they fishing now ?.
  
 Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.
 
 I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
 > performance are ugly.
 > 
 > Elaine**
 > *
 > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > 
 > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine
 > >  wrote:
 > > >
 > > > *2005.
 > > >
 > > > Elaine**
 > >
 > > Elaine,
 > >
 > > Index sectoral:
 > > - MINING: +2,46%
 > > - AGRI: +1,36%
 > >
 > > IHSG -0,4%
 > >
 > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
 > >
 > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
 > >
 > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
 > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > 
 > >
 > > + +
 > > + + + + +
 > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
 > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
 > > + + + + +
 > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >
 
 
 
   

   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Akur Saja]

Belum belanja lah, kan mo nungguin IHSG 2000.
Ibaratnya Ms. El, ini kayak mpok-mpok yang belanja di Pasar, nawarnya gak
tanggung-tanggung, misal Bawang Merah Rp.8.000 / kilo, dia akan tawar
Rp.4.000 / kilo udah gitu minta tambah bonus cabe sekilo.
Paling Pedagangnya cuma bilang : "Cabedeh". [as]

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM, jsx_consultant <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> Elaine
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved
> by them
> > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could
> be BAD for
> > commodities.
>
> USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
> down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
> This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..
>
> Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only
> an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market
> panic (Embah believe this).
>
> In bahasa we have a proverb:
> - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
>
> Are they fishing now ?.
>
> Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.
>
> I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> > performance are ugly.
> >
> > Elaine**
> > *
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> Elaine
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *2005.
> > > >
> > > > Elaine**
> > >
> > > Elaine,
> > >
> > > Index sectoral:
> > > - MINING: +2,46%
> > > - AGRI: +1,36%
> > >
> > > IHSG -0,4%
> > >
> > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> > >
> > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> > >
> > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> 
>

Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Marina Utama]

That's why I absolutely agree with Embah, in my previous email I also stated 
that Mining and Agri has much bigger Market caps than just banks, so IHSG 
should be saved by both Mining and Agri...and the price of commodities has 
skyrocekting recently and should be cool down for sometimel; however for USD to 
strengthen? Nope I don't see it in the near future, it stilll long way to go 
for USD to strengthen especially against Euro and JPY
   
  Rgds
  MU

Elaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved by 
them as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could be BAD 
for commodities. I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock 
performance are ugly.

Elaine

  On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> *2005.
>
> Elaine**

Elaine,

Index sectoral:
- MINING: +2,46%
- AGRI: +1,36%

IHSG -0,4%

You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.

What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.

Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.







+ +
+ + + + +
Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
+ + + + +
+ +Yahoo! Groups Links





  

   

   
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Adam Rajsha]

Mbah... your amazing man, beruntunglah trader2 yg masuk milis ini.

salam,
AR


On 4/7/08, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> Elaine
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > *It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved
> by them
> > as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could
> be BAD for
> > commodities.
>
> USDIDR does NOT strengthen, it is VERY VERY STRANGE when IHSG
> down -4% and PANIC SELLOFF in the Money Market last Friday.
> This NEVER happen before, usually USDIDR will go up VIOLENCELY..
>
> Is it possible that this MARKET SHAKEUP (BBCA -10%) is only
> an ARTIFICIAL ONE by Local Big Player to make the market
> panic (Embah believe this).
>
> In bahasa we have a proverb:
> - MEMANCING IKAN DIAIR KERUH...
>
> Are they fishing now ?.
>
> Fishing for LOW PRICE Stock, Mutual Fund, ORI and SUN ?.
>
> I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
> > performance are ugly.
> >
> > Elaine**
> > *
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
> Elaine
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *2005.
> > > >
> > > > Elaine**
> > >
> > > Elaine,
> > >
> > > Index sectoral:
> > > - MINING: +2,46%
> > > - AGRI: +1,36%
> > >
> > > IHSG -0,4%
> > >
> > > You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
> > >
> > > What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
> > >
> > > Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> > > of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > + +
> > > + + + + +
> > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> > > + + + + +
> > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> 
>

Re: [obrolan-bandar] To El.....Re: Tekanan terhadap MEDC dan BBCA mulai berkurang

[Elaine]

*It's only a technical rebound. Yes, technically IDX could be saved by them
as they are big caps. But becareful when USD strengthen, it could be BAD for
commodities. I also said banks are leading indicators, and their stock
performance are ugly.

Elaine**
*
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM, jsx_consultant <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > *2005.
> >
> > Elaine**
>
> Elaine,
>
> Index sectoral:
> - MINING: +2,46%
> - AGRI: +1,36%
>
> IHSG -0,4%
>
> You ONLY talk about IHSG ?.
>
> What do you think about Mining and Agricultural index ?.
>
> Do you think Mining and Agricultural will follow the downtrend
> of IHSG or IHSG will be saved by Mining and Agri ?.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> + +
> + + + + +
> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> + + + + +
> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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