[PRODUCT] ORM + RDBMS = OODBMS / Evaluation Against Fictive jamStore
To simplify the evaluation of ORM tools, I've documented a fictive one: http://lazaridis.com/case/orm/index.html Which of the described constructs are supported within the OJB product/project? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application !
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: The series of simplified OJB Introduction applications that I like to contribute to the project, rely initially on the ojb-blank. but: ojb-blank does not provide the basic functionality needed: - ant-target "run" - ant-target "deploy" [or similar], resulting in an ready to start jar within an directory. Can I expect such an ojb-blank project from the team/community? [...] let's wait for the solution tom is working on. ok. I got the solution (an enhance obj-blank) via email: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html But: I've problems with my time-budget. I currently need nothing more than an ant-target "run" (or the correction of the community-member provided ant-target "run"). May I ask on the "ant" mailing-list for help? [...] No need, the provided solution is very nice. I'll come back to this thread in a few days, hopefully wiht the first results. Once more, thank you for the support. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Unfortunatelly to behavior of Mrs. Laziradis, I fell in obligation to share this info in this mail list too. [...] http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html [...] [...] You have 'warned' this communtiy, so it's fine. Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with "[OT]". - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. > > hi all, > > i think it's time to stop this thread. > > jakob of course. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: > Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with "[OT]". [...] > And NEVER tell me what I can or can't post as response to the thread. [...] [OT]Sorry to the community http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12159.html Thank you very much. The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Unfortunatelly to behavior of Mrs. Laziradis, I fell in obligation to share this info in this mail list too. I'll do this because, as occured at other mail list, communications starts to degrade, making too much noise for about nothing. This info was shared from another user, in another mail list. Who is bored by Mr. Laziradis comments about "failures" and so on, check this link: http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html I still trying to argue with him, with reasonable arguments, and asking him to learn java before judge, but his always start saying that learn Java isn't important... Once more: your suggestions related to my processing model are irrelevant to me. More and more, any of your suggestions becom irrelevant to me. - You have 'warned' this communtiy, so it's fine. Please avoid further off-topic traffic, or open at least a new thread marked with "[OT]". - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Daniel Perry wrote: I would suggest you look in the CVS - there seems to be a newer version of build.xml that does more for automating the tutorials. Thank you! I cannot access CVS for now. I hope someone will sent me the complete new ojb-blank archive. I got the ojb-blank via email. http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: [...] - (some irrelevant comments) I'll be happy if you start to learn, and polute less our lists... you polute this thread with your off-topic comments. - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. After that, I'll happy sharing my knoledge about OJB, including how to run OJB inside NetBeans (that you not asked yet - but soon or later will ask too). I am not interested in knowledge of ungentle people. Thus I am not interested in any of your knowledge. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Daniel Perry wrote: the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: Operating System Basics). => "given context of this thread". If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure. What??? OJB is most definately NOT designed for people without any domain knowledge! [...] - (some comments which do not affect the given context) Please decouple with precision. I'm not talking about "OJB" but about "OJB in the above "given context of this thread". - The team has provided the requested obj-blank: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12135.html So, everything is fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] PS: I will send you the ojb-blank.jar directly, as this is not possible within the mailing list (list restrictions). Be aware though, that it a hefty 4.5 MB download. Thank you very much. I was able to run tutorial1 without problems within 2 min., based on the new obj-blank. Once more, thanks very much. I can start now based on this ojb-blank. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Mitch Norby wrote: [...] - (many comments, some suggestions) I have the basic estimation, if the project is able to assist me with simple answers to simple questions, thus I am able to produce the newcomer threads. The estimation is: no. But i will give it a try. Hopefully the team and the community can understand, that their excessive amounts of domain-knowledge makes is nearly impossible to them to give concise answers. I have what I wanted in my inbox (an modified ojb-blank, which contains a run.bat). So much effort for such a simple thing. - Please reread this thread after a week. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Right. Hmm, lets see: OJB is a Java library / O/R mapping framework, so what you need to know *in advance* in order to use it would be Java. Likewise, OJB uses Ant for building, so you also need at least a little bit of knowledge about Ant, e.g. how to install Ant, how to invoke it. This is only true, if the ojb-developers fail to encapsulate the domain knowledge. No, OJB helps you with some of the technical knowledge (i.e. databases) but not with domain knowledge (e.g. finance, e-shop ...). And OJB does not away with all technical knowledge. You're still required to be able to program in Java, use Ant etc. (as I've already written). Context of my statement (as the context of this thread): the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: Operating System Basics). If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure. If you're not willing to get this knowledge, then you're right, then we as the developers have difficulties to provide you the 'solution' because we cannot and will not teach you Java or Ant, you will have to do this yourself if you want to get anywhere in the Java world (as with any other computer language or environment). We are talking about a "run" and a "deploy" abstraction. Which you have finally created, but not posted to the threads where i've asked for it. In case you forgot: Jakob created this run 'abstraction' for you days ago, but you kept demanding something better or other. I did not forget. This was not for obj-blank, but for something without sources (the result of the ojb-quickstart target). [again: my context is ojb-blank with the tutorial1 sources] All I did was make the generation of these run.bat and run.sh files automatic within ojb-blank, as you could have known when you had actually read my mail and would have bothered to check out the changes (btw, the dev-mailing archive is easily accessible from the OJB homepage, all info about the change are there). So please stop this accusing. You are accusing. Me, that I am accusing. Which is false. again i remind you the context: addition/change to ojb-blank And please, 'requesting' stuff won't get you anywhere because it is rude. "Requesting" is not rude. RFC = Request For Comments. - I'm afraid you're confusing "requesting" with "demanding". "Requesting": means in German: Bitten, Anfragen. Thanks, but I know the difference. Rather, I think you mistake demanding for requesting, judging from the tone in your mails. So, you don't want to apologize for saying to me that i behave "rude" based on an faulty interpretation of yours? I see. You should be polite (as everybody else on this list is), and read the docs (because that is what there are for) and ask for help if you're stuck. And if you can provide input or corrections or improvements, all the better, as we're more than willing to incorporate them into OJB. I don't think that the people on this list (especially you) are very polite. Otherwise you would not hide changes, which were initiated by an individual (me) behind necessary domain-knowledge (CVS acess). You wrote this large message here, but you've still not posted the corrections to the list, thus the thread becomes usable in the archives (and i get my solution). Btw, as I said I don't think that a quickstart won't get you anywhere, because it only shows that OJB works, but not how. That is what the getting-started doc and the ojb-blank is for. If you think that you can enhance the doc, great, go ahead and post whatever you have to this list. As said again: I depend on a minimum assistance from the developers. But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. And we are unpolite? Yes. But i've cooled down now. Come on, in every answer that you've got to your not exactly polite mails, you've got constructive and polite help from users and developers of OJB, and you still keep on insulting people although you cannot base your accusations with any facts ? I do not insult people. And I have stated facts. I you like, stop ignoring them. (and from what I gather from another mail in this thread, this is not the first time that this has happened ?) You have enouth material within this group. No one hides anything here (remember that this is an open source project ?), but rather you seem to refuse to use the help that you've been given already. How are we supposed to help, then ? I do not refuse any help. I refuse help which is given in a false context, simply as it has no relevance to me. I just request specific help, within a specific context, within a specific medium. I would like to politely ask you to stop accusing people and actually
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Łukasz Korzybski wrote: Dnia wtorek, 23 listopada 2004 19:30, Ilias Lazaridis napisał: Unbelievable yes, I agree. The thread has become unbelievable big - and i've still not an ojb-blank (whilst using only the ojb website). can you please get the new ojb-blank from the cvs and mail post it? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Christian Pesch wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [..] But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. Please stop insulting the people that have shown significant patience in explaining you the simple truth. You are late, things have already cooled down. Egoism and Stuborness are human characteristics. No need to feel insulted. I am sure the everyone has understood the tenor of my message. There are other ojb users, which might really need their help. I (and other future newcomers) need the help. Really. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Daniel Perry wrote: I would suggest you look in the CVS - there seems to be a newer version of build.xml that does more for automating the tutorials. Thank you! I cannot access CVS for now. I hope someone will sent me the complete new ojb-blank archive. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: My main questions here is: Can the team provide me with the targets "run" and "deploy" in a way that i don't have to invest more time, thus I can continue to invest my time where i can be productive? No, because we *cannot*. Both run and deploy are highly dependant upon your environment which we simply cannot know anything about. You really have to do that yourself because you're the only one who knows about your environment. I need them just for the ojb-blank thing... The best that anybody can offer is ojb-blank upon which you should base your project: [...] - (further process of how to get it via CVS) Can _please_ someone send me this new ojb-blank thing as a zip/jar or similar? [I assume that ojb-blank is similar to the downloadable, with the additional stuff] Come on people, i'm not an open-source parasit. I like to contribute back! - [i promise: I'll go into the CVS / apache stuff later] . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Daniel Perry wrote: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check "Java Tools documentation" in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] I've often wondered if sun just got lazy :) [...] - (further explanations) I tend to agree with the laziness. [...] You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting "the process of learning java" and "the process of contributing to projects" did not have any relevance for me. Knowing the basics of java, ant, etc will certainly help you in developing these kind of projects, and help you to keep questions on this list OJB specific! To develope the project i like to develope, I need to have as less domain-knowledge as possible. Hmm, that is a strange remark from somebody trying to develop a project. My project is a newcomer tutorial. On the contrary, you should try to get *as much* domain knowledge as you can (as time and budget allow) because you need it to develop the correct system (as specified by the customer) and to do so in the correct way (i.e. technical and environmental constraints, e.g. Java, the database etc.). I want to develope an ojb-intro, which is usable by total newcomers. [INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application ! http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12029.html This way necomers, which are attracted by a main-page which is similar to the suggested one... [SUGGESTION] - S01 - Website.MainPage & QuickStarts http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11948.html are not disapointed. My questions _are_ OJB user specific, affecting the tutorials and the [QUICKSTART]. As you can see within this thread, the team had some difficulties to provide me the solution. Now I know the reason! Right. Hmm, lets see: OJB is a Java library / O/R mapping framework, so what you need to know *in advance* in order to use it would be Java. Likewise, OJB uses Ant for building, so you also need at least a little bit of knowledge about Ant, e.g. how to install Ant, how to invoke it. This is only true, if the ojb-developers fail to encapsulate the domain knowledge. This is all basic stuff that you should be familiar with for about, I guess, 90-100% of the open-source Java stuff for developers out there. And there is no point in asking about Java or Ant on this mailing list, there are other well-known places for this (see http:://www.java.net and http://java.sun.com and http://ant.apache.org). So, why the OJB-team has not asked there, when I raised the question about _ojb's_ ant scripts. At one point, i've asked the list: "should i ask on the ant list"? If you're not willing to get this knowledge, then you're right, then we as the developers have difficulties to provide you the 'solution' because we cannot and will not teach you Java or Ant, you will have to do this yourself if you want to get anywhere in the Java world (as with any other computer language or environment). We are talking about a "run" and a "deploy" abstraction. Which you have finally created, but not posted to the threads where i've asked for it. And please, 'requesting' stuff won't get you anywhere because it is rude. "Requesting" is not rude. RFC = Request For Comments. - I'm afraid you're confusing "requesting" with "demanding". "Requesting": means in German: Bitten, Anfragen. You should be polite (as everybody else on this list is), and read the docs (because that is what there are for) and ask for help if you're stuck. And if you can provide input or corrections or improvements, all the better, as we're more than willing to incorporate them into OJB. I don't think that the people on this list (especially you) are very polite. Otherwise you would not hide changes, which were initiated by an individual (me) behind necessary domain-knowledge (CVS acess). You wrote this large message here, but you've still not posted the corrections to the list, thus the thread becomes usable in the archives (and i get my solution). Btw, as I said I don't think that a quickstart won't get you anywhere, because it only shows that OJB works, but not how. That is what the getting-started doc and the ojb-blank is for. If you think that you can enhance the doc, great, go ahead and post whatever you have to this list. As said again: I depend on a minimum assistance from the developers. But it seems that stubberness and egoism rules in this project. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Daniel Perry wrote: [...] - (comments) Sorry, i cannot discuss essential project mechanics again. - [general remark] My main questions here is: Can the team provide me with the targets "run" and "deploy" in a way that i don't have to invest more time, thus I can continue to invest my time where i can be productive? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: [...] First step you should do, to do what you want, is learn Java (not only language, but plataform too). Second is learn tools and libraries. Third step is try to contribute to the projects. You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting "the process of learning java" and "the process of contributing to projects" did not have any relevance for me. - If you like to assist me, please focus on the questions I raise and avoid off-topic comments. > You raised an off topic question when you asked "why not java -cp > .;lib\*". It denotes completelly lack of important knowledge about > Java plataform, absolutelly needed to work with OJB or ANY java > library. > > My answer isn't off topic. You asked, I answered. But as always, when > you receive and email suggesting you learn Java, you start to "defend > yourself", and to say that learn Java is irrelevant. It isn't. > > As I said before (and I said in NetBeans mail list too), you MUST > start learning Java. After that, you could use tools for Java > development, and libraryies to do that. Until there, anything else > you say is irrelevant to me. > > You make too much noise without knowing what you are doing. Sometime > you shot the target, but it's just lucky. Learn Java. After that, you > will find that OJB is too easy to work! > > And you should be interested in Java documentation. Without them, you > could not startup anything in Java land. [...] I'm afraid you repeat yourself. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Read basic Java documentation from Sun (link "Tool docs"). Cannot find it. I would be gentle [against me and future readers] to point to the resource (which you seem to be familar with). Best would be, if you point to somethin like: "Java Classpath Parameter - Design Rationales" Why don't you do what we would have to in order to find something about it: enter this into Google and see what you find ... I am aware about google. Are you aware about the hit-ratio of google? I've simply asked is someone is aware about an _specific_ resource. This here is not my primary issue in this thread. - Why don't you sent me simple the changes that you've made via email, thus I can clean-up this thread (whilst posting the solutions to opened questions, thus future reader of the archives have the answers) and continue my work on the intro's? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Daniel Perry wrote: Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check "Java Tools documentation" in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] I've often wondered if sun just got lazy :) [...] - (further explanations) I tend to agree with the laziness. [...] You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting "the process of learning java" and "the process of contributing to projects" did not have any relevance for me. Knowing the basics of java, ant, etc will certainly help you in developing these kind of projects, and help you to keep questions on this list OJB specific! To develope the project i like to develope, I need to have as less domain-knowledge as possible. My questions _are_ OJB user specific, affecting the tutorials and the [QUICKSTART]. As you can see within this thread, the team had some difficulties to provide me the solution. Now I know the reason! - But my main interest are of course the intros. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: [...] What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application [...] And I just asked, _why_ this is invalid (or: why java.exe cannot do this). Possibly one can point me to a location, where I can find the rationales behind this behaviour. > Read basic Java documentation from Sun (link "Tool docs"). Cannot find it. I would be gentle [against me and future readers] to point to the resource (which you seem to be familar with). Best would be, if you point to somethin like: "Java Classpath Parameter - Design Rationales" . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: That's why I modified ojb-blank and ojb-quickstart in CVS to create run.bat/run.sh for the apps. You have modified it? Why don't you post a notification to ther user forum? Because it is only in CVS and will be in the upcoming 1.0.2. I've asked for a modified "run" and "deploy" to start the tutorials in another thread. [INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application ! http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12029.html A team member suggested me to wait for your results. Thus, I expected of course a notification on this forum. But the developer list contains a notification. I am a user - and as such I monitor only the user forum. How can I obtain the new version without CVS access? I would like to start my intro apps. You have to get it from CVS or wait for the 1.0.2. I think the team should post the relevant files within the relevant threads (this way, the mail-archives value is increased, too). But why would you need a quickstart anyway ? To learn and use OJB quickly, and to enable other people to learn and use it quickly, thus its userbase increases, thus its evolution is faster, thus its usability for me becomes better: [SUGGESTION] - S01 - Website.MainPage & QuickStarts http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11948.html OJB is a system for developers not endusers, I am currently an enduser of OJB. I'm not interested in developing OJB itself, but in using OJB. I like to do this, without loosing much time and energy to get it running. and all that the quickstart shows is that it works, nothing more. I think , the ojb-blank is much more interesting to you as it is a blueprint for an OJB project. The ojb-blank that i've download is not convenient - and i've lost many time with it. Other people have lost time, too: FW: Newbie Question : There was no default-PBKey specified http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12053.html - I suggest you to do what you can do best: developing on the OJB core. And I will take care of the "Convenience Challenge". http://lazaridis.com/core/product/case.html - But I depend (at least a little bit) on the teams assistance. Please let me know if I can expect some minutes of the teams time, thus I can serve your furture users with convenient intro's. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: Check "Java Tools documentation" in Java docs (downloaded separately). [I'm not interested in the documentation, but in the design-rationales. This is more out of curisity.] As I said before, is hard to tech Java in some kind of mail lists (as either in NetBeans mail lists)... First step you should do, to do what you want, is learn Java (not only language, but plataform too). Second is learn tools and libraries. Third step is try to contribute to the projects. You should know this already: your suggestions subjecting "the process of learning java" and "the process of contributing to projects" did not have any relevance for me. - If you like to assist me, please focus on the questions I raise and avoid off-topic comments. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application or something similar is invalid? Erm, have you actually tried it ? It's because java.exe *cannot* do this ! Yes, i've tried it. And it does not work. And I just asked, _why_ this is invalid (or: why java.exe cannot do this). Possibly one can point me to a location, where I can find the rationales behind this behaviour. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
the modification: add " dir=".\build\resources" " to "[...]
Command Line: "ant clean build setup-db run"
Problem:
application starts ok, with some debug output.
Then it enters a loop [must abort with CTRL-C]
[java] [0] List all product entries
[...]
[java] type in number to select a use case
[java] null
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Any ideas?
You cannot start commandline applications (that want input from console)
from within Ant, neither with the nor with the tast (see
Ant doc for details).
=> {the highly flexible build and automation tool "ant" cannot start
command line applications which depend on console input}
ok
That's why I modified ojb-blank and ojb-quickstart
in CVS to create run.bat/run.sh for the apps.
You have modified it?
Why don't you post a notification to ther user forum?
How can I obtain the new version without CVS access?
I would like to start my intro apps.
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, well, actualy it's possible to do something like this java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is but the classpath will be quite long ;) java -cp classes;lib\antlr-2.7.3.jar;lib\commons-beanutils.jar;lib\commons-collections-2.1.1.jar;lib\commons-dbcp-1.1.jar;lib\commons-lang-2.0.jar;lib\commons-logging.jar;lib\commons-pool-1.1.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1-junit.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1.jar;lib\hsqldb.jar;lib\log4j-1.2.8.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application [...] Now I understand! Thank you! What is the reason, that java -cp build\classes;lib\*.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\* org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application java -cp build\classes;lib\ org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application or something similar is invalid? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Łukasz Korzybski wrote: Dnia niedziela, 14 listopada 2004 21:29, Thomas Dudziak napisał: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] NB 4.0 uses ant natively for its projects. To run obj-blank in NB: New Project -> Java Project with Existing Ant Script We need to choose project location and select build.xml After creation, in project properties we can select build, deploy etc. targets. [...] thank you [note: the ant-target "run" works from the command-line, too] Please use this slight corrected version for Tutorial 1: [...] the application runs withing [root]. the application needs to access files within /build/resources Can one make the necessary modification to the above ant-target "run"? the modification: add " dir=".\build\resources" " to " - Command Line: "ant clean build setup-db run" Problem: application starts ok, with some debug output. Then it enters a loop [must abort with CTRL-C] [java] [0] List all product entries [java] [1] Enter a new product [java] [2] Edit a product entry [java] [3] Delete a product entry [java] [4] Quit Application [java] type in number to select a use case [java] null - Any ideas? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application !
Jakob Braeuchi wrote: Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: The series of simplified OJB Introduction applications that I like to contribute to the project, rely initially on the ojb-blank. but: ojb-blank does not provide the basic functionality needed: - ant-target "run" - ant-target "deploy" [or similar], resulting in an ready to start jar within an directory. Can I expect such an ojb-blank project from the team/community? I am wondering about one thing: I get no answers about my ant / ojb-blank related questions, which I would need to correct the ojb-blank myself. Why does the community answer to an quick-start incident immediately: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12053.html but does not provide me with the relevant answers / support to provide an professional grade solution which avoids exactly those incidents? Please provide me with the targets "run" and "deploy" [or similar] (which would be basicly the ojb-quickstart target, moved to the ojb-blank build.xml), thus I can help the current newcomer (and the future ones) in a professional manner. It's for the benefit of all. I depend on you. > > let's wait for the solution tom is working on. ok. - But: I've problems with my time-budget. I currently need nothing more than an ant-target "run" (or the correction of the community-member provided ant-target "run"). May I ask on the "ant" mailing-list for help? Please review the thread: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11900.html . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application !
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: The series of simplified OJB Introduction applications that I like to contribute to the project, rely initially on the ojb-blank. but: ojb-blank does not provide the basic functionality needed: - ant-target "run" - ant-target "deploy" [or similar], resulting in an ready to start jar within an directory. Can I expect such an ojb-blank project from the team/community? I am wondering about one thing: I get no answers about my ant / ojb-blank related questions, which I would need to correct the ojb-blank myself. Why does the community answer to an quick-start incident immediately: http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg12053.html but does not provide me with the relevant answers / support to provide an professional grade solution which avoids exactly those incidents? Please provide me with the targets "run" and "deploy" [or similar] (which would be basicly the ojb-quickstart target, moved to the ojb-blank build.xml), thus I can help the current newcomer (and the future ones) in a professional manner. It's for the benefit of all. I depend on you. Please review the thread: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11900.html . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SUGGESTION] - S02 - Answering behaviour on this forum
Tino Schöllhorn wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Daniel Perry wrote: [moved down] From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ilias Lazaridis Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: I've noticed several threads, which remained unanswered. This could imply to visitors that the product OJB is death (or not yet alive) !!! !!! !!! To distinguish a project: - care about newcomers - accept their laziness/confusion, point them to the relevant resource - hopefully they remember this in future. - and act the same against new newcomers. A few answers can keep a newcomer within the project. Increased userbase. [...] > I think these comments would be fair for a commercial product, [...] - (comments) My suggestions are very fair, even within the context of open source, which has become high competitive. Every involved parties (Team, Contributors, Users) should be interested to increase the user-base of OJB. Questions like "Recommended ObjectCache for ODMG" should be served immediately with a link, even if this question was raised several times. So, creating an FAQ, where every (even non experienced) community member can point the 'lazy' newcomers to the relevant subsection, should be a major goal. > > well I not for starting any flame wars. But if you think there should > be a common, better FAQ list and the existing documentation is not > enough - why don't you just start a FAQ-List and try to improve this > project. I've started another task within this project: creating a quick-start and a new main-page (which will most possibly increase the newcomer-adoption rate). It's up to the existing community, to treat newcomers in a way that they stay with OJB. Newcomers, which have invested time to come in contact with the product (and the community). It is not very gentle, to let requests unanswered [at least the simple ones]. > As you already stated: this is open source and anyone who is > interested can try to contribute ;-) Of course. As stated before, I'm contributing already my part. > Tino . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Daniel Perry wrote: [moved down] > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ilias Lazaridis Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: I've noticed several threads, which remained unanswered. This could imply to visitors that the product OJB is death (or not yet alive) !!! !!! [...] To distinguish a project: - care about newcomers - accept their laziness/confusion, point them to the relevant resource - hopefully they remember this in future. - and act the same against new newcomers. A few answers can keep a newcomer within the project. Increased userbase. [...] > I think these comments would be fair for a commercial product, [...] - (comments) My suggestions are very fair, even within the context of open source, which has become high competitive. Every involved parties (Team, Contributors, Users) should be interested to increase the user-base of OJB. Questions like "Recommended ObjectCache for ODMG" should be served immediately with a link, even if this question was raised several times. So, creating an FAQ, where every (even non experienced) community member can point the 'lazy' newcomers to the relevant subsection, should be a major goal. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, well, actualy it's possible to do something like this java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is but the classpath will be quite long ;) java -cp classes;lib\antlr-2.7.3.jar;lib\commons-beanutils.jar;lib\commons-collections-2.1.1.jar;lib\commons-dbcp-1.1.jar;lib\commons-lang-2.0.jar;lib\commons-logging.jar;lib\commons-pool-1.1.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1-junit.jar;lib\db-ojb-1.0.1.jar;lib\hsqldb.jar;lib\log4j-1.2.8.jar org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application ah! I see! ok. Now I understand! Thank you! - I leave the machine. Good night to all. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi all, i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch. please check it out ! this sounds good, but does not help me. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/db-ojb/build.xml?r1=1.144.2.1&r2=1.144.2.2&diff_format=h I've now understood what you've done. To be of general use, the "quickstart" must be generated out of the ojb-blank (the users personal project template). Thus you should make the "quickstart" target-addition to ojb-blank build.xml. > > the quickstart i provided is a simple way to build and run the > tutorials 1 and 2. I understand. You have posted it within this thread, and of course I connect it immediately with my problem, which is "starting the obj-blank generated application". > it was not my intention to create anything else, ok > but afaik tom is working on an enhanced ojb-blank. Ok, that's fine. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is [...] can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 Can one please give me the exact command-line i have to use for the tutorial 1? I have the feeling, that it is not possible to use a single command line, as it was suggested above. Can I please have a confirmation on this? > > i cannot confirm this. with the ojb-quickstart target you can run > tutorials 1 and 2 with a single command line tutorial1.bat or > tutorial2.bat. I am in the context of this thread. I refere to the above single command line, which was suggested within this thread: >>>>>> java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is Using this (like suggested from a team member) is not possible. Of course this was for me (as a newcomer) very confusing. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[INTRO01] - I01 - Simple Java Class - Need the quickstart application !
The series of simplified OJB Introduction applications that I like to contribute to the project, rely initially on the ojb-blank. but: ojb-blank does not provide the basic functionality needed: - ant-target "run" - ant-target "deploy" [or similar], resulting in an ready to start jar within an directory. Can I expect such an ojb-blank project from the team/community? - Please review the thread: [QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate http://www.mail-archive.com/ojb-user%40db.apache.org/msg11900.html . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is [...] can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 Can one please give me the exact command-line i have to use for the tutorial 1? I have the feeling, that it is not possible to use a single command line, as it was suggested above. Can I please have a confirmation on this? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi all, i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch. please check it out ! this sounds good, but does not help me. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/db-ojb/build.xml?r1=1.144.2.1&r2=1.144.2.2&diff_format=h I've now understood what you've done. To be of general use, the "quickstart" must be generated out of the ojb-blank (the users personal project template). Thus you should make the "quickstart" target-addition to ojb-blank build.xml. I still need the commandline / ant-target new addition to start the tutorial (see the other messages). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the [...] http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html [...] Many documentation, many manual steps. Actually there are only few steps. [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is Some additional ant-targets would make the tutorials simpler: - "run" (running the app) - "run-jar" (runs the jar which is created by ant-target "jar") - "full-jar" (creates a jar including the relevant runtime-libs) - "run-full-jar" (runs the jar created by target "full-jar") - Some relevant information is within this thread, but I depend on the answers/contribution to complete them. At this point, I cannot look deeper into "ant". - A tutorial with those additional targets would run within the command-line and within a NetBeans 4.0 free-form project (very easy teach-in due to the IDE view of all the files). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SUGGESTION] - S01 - Website.MainPage & QuickStarts
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
[...]
[A question: is it possible to retrieve older versions of the OJB
website, e.g. to track changes?]
Yes, sort of. You've got to check out OJB for a particular date or use
one of the earlier versions (there is a link in the download area) and
build the documentation new ("ant docs").
The website is not available within the CVS directly?
Thus I can point to the websites mainpage?
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/db-ojb/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for proposing this! I have been lurking here for quite a while and now I am actually writing my web app. I seem to get stuck on creating the repository. I go to look at the test source and can't find it, I run the junit tests and it takes 2 hours to finally use all the memory on my computer and give up, ... sound not good. OJBC has been a help to ease into this. [OJB-Community.] I like the idea of working only in my java class and being able to create sql for creating my backend and the repository file (and documentation) from the one source. It is pretty easy to find out how to include @ojb tags, but not so clear how to get my sql and repository from there. To be honest, I have no idea about all this. I have given a few small suggestions inline below. ok, thank you. [please note: your replies do not quote messages correctly. You may want to try the 0.9 version of mozilla's thunderbird http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ or any other client. Alternatively, you can post via the gmane nntp gateway: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.ojb.user, whilst using your current newsclient] clq Original Message: ----- From: Ilias Lazaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] OJB is scalable: - use it within[g] embedded applications ok [...] - an OTM [** spell it out, please. I already have trouble with ODMG and JDO, what is OTM? **] API (ODMG / JDO common functionality) - OTM="Object Transaction Manager", an OJB specific API http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/tutorials/otm-tutorial.html [...] . [how about some thoughts on using with struts? this would be the next level. Currently I like to focuse on OJB-Sample01 (a Java Class made persistent). [I'm waiting for some feedback on other threads, to be able to start] Seems my comments are fewer and farther between than I thought. Ok, this means that the requirements-template is so far ok. I want to help make this useful and popular project. I hope this made sense.] ok. Please follow the further threads. I depend strongly on people which have the domain-knowledge and people which evaluate the simplicity of the results. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [...] Can one tell me the necessary modifications for the build.xml to make the produced jar file start correctly? > hi ilias, > > you have to add a proper manifest-file to your jar. > > see http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html > > jakob Thank you for the link. The current ojb-tutorials should be corrected, to produce a launchable jar-file. I've added this one into the build.xml ant-target "jar" after "": And this one to the build.properties: jar.mainClass=org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application and finally this one into the build.xml : - Error: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/ojb/broker/PersistenceBrokerFactory at org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application.(Unknown Source) at org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application.main(Unknown Source) ... - I cannto go at this moment deeper into Ant and into this issue, as I'm risking to get "trapped". Can anyone please tell me, what is wrong? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SUGGESTION] - S02 - Answering behaviour on this forum
Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis escreveu: I've noticed several threads, which remained unanswered. This could imply to visitors that the product OJB is death (or not yet alive) !!! You should ensure that every request is answered, If possible with a pointer to some resource. > > Hi, Ilias. Good to see you here (too). > I'm following OJB project sice beta days, and I just reporting that > some threads are not answered because they are in the docs AND/OR are > avaliable in past threads. This is a common behaviour within forums. To distinguish a project: - care about newcomers - accept their laziness/confusion, point them to the relevant resource - hopefully they remember this in future. - and act the same against new newcomers. A few answers can keep a newcomer within the project. Increased userbase. > My experience at OJB mailing lists is that valid threads, and that are > not already answered in past, are rapidly answered. [...] - (congrats to the team) ok . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [move down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] An ant target "jar" is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\target>java -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar [...] Can one tell me the necessary modifications for the build.xml to make the produced jar file start correctly? > hi ilias, > > you have to add a proper manifest-file to your jar. > > see http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html > > jakob Thank you for the link. The current ojb-tutorials should be corrected, to produce a launchable jar-file. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've noticed several threads, which remained unanswered. This could imply to visitors that the product OJB is death (or not yet alive) You should ensure that every request is answered, If possible with a pointer to some resource. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SUGGESTION] - S01 - Website.MainPage & QuickStarts
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
The below document is a draft-version proposal for the main-page of
the OJB website.
[...]
The main goal is to make the tutorials modular (stepwise increase of
complexity), transparent (newcomer-safe, e.g. no domain-knowledge
necessary) and efficient (quick introduction).
We always welcome enhancements, especially when it comes to the
documentation, so please post whatever you've got :-)
ok
Btw, best is either textual or in the Forrest format (is really easy,
see the OJB documentation source).
will take a look.
[A question: is it possible to retrieve older versions of the OJB
website, e.g. to track changes?]
Yes, sort of. You've got to check out OJB for a particular date or use
one of the earlier versions (there is a link in the download area) and
build the documentation new ("ant docs").
The website is not available within the CVS directly?
Thus I can point to the websites mainpage?
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/db-ojb/
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [moved down] Ilias Lazaridis schrieb: Jakob Braeuchi wrote: [...] this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application => missing cp.bat content of cp.bat set CP=%CP%;%1 hi ilias, this is correct! cp.bat is only used add all jars to the classpath jakob ok. I've documented this, for the case someone hits on this thread in future. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] An ant target "jar" is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\target>java -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar [...] Can one tell me the necessary modifications for the build.xml to make the produced jar file start correctly? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[please, if you like to comment on this, write inline within the contex] - The below document is a draft-version proposal for the main-page of the OJB website. It focuses on two points: - getting visitors to try it! - pointing out OJB's major top-level strenghts! The suggested quick-starts would allow: - newcomers : to use OJB to quickly explore real JAVA OOAD in conjunction with IDE's like NetBeans. - evaluators: to check OJB quickly without affection of the running developement system I can create those quick-start-projects. Assistance from OJB-team needed: mostly a few answers to questions which I raise during the creation process [within the user list]. The main goal is to make the tutorials modular (stepwise increase of complexity), transparent (newcomer-safe, e.g. no domain-knowledge necessary) and efficient (quick introduction). - [A question: is it possible to retrieve older versions of the OJB website, e.g. to track changes?] - OJB ObJectRelationalBridge - Scalable Transparent Persistence for Java Objects OJB is easy: - Don't read documentations - start with trying it: - The OJB team cares about your time - 5 min: download - self-contained: everything needed within one folder - no affection on current development system - evaluate OJB without risk - run the samples and explore its sources - netbeans 4.0 project included - eclipse 3.0 project included - 10min: create your first real application - define a java class - declare it as persistent - build *everything*, including database, with a single command - within your IDE - or from the command line - run your first application - create, retrieve, update, erase objects - 20min: extend your first app with relations (1:1, n:1, 1:n, m:n) - explore real OOAD with JAVA & OJB - stepwise define 4 more java classes - attach them to the first class - explore incremental design capabilities of OJB - watch OJB's schema update mechanisms do the work for you - 10min: migrate you first app to another database (MySQL) - watch OJB's schema migration mechanisms work for you OJB is pure: - pure java - enables pure OOAD OJB is scalable: - use it withing embedded applications - up to enterprise scale distributed applications OJB is powerfull: - fine-tune your application, with high detail grade of control - field proven Cache & distributed systems OJB is flexible in RDBMS - HSQL (already bundled), MySQL, ... OJB is flexible in API's [does not bind you to proprietary technology]: - full ODMG 3.0 compliant API - later migration to ODMG driven OODBMS systems is possible - full ODMG 3.0 standard OQL (Object Query Language) - later migration to major OODBMS systems, without change of OQL code - ODMG available for other OO languages, too (e.g. C++) - allows design of highly speed-critical code with C++/ASM bridge - [disclosure: ] - full JDO 1.0 compliant API - later migration to JDO (RDBMS/OODBMS) systems is possible - based on JDO Reference Implementation - highest compatibility - [disclosure: performancy penalty of ~XX%, see performance notes] - native implementations sheduled for OJB 2.0 - an OTM API (ODMG / JDO common functionality) - if you are still undecided which one to use - a low-level OJB API (PersistenceBroker) - all other api's are based on this - allows definition of your in-house API's - e.g. when creating specific Frameworks. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, this is tha batch file i use: @echo off set cp= for %%i in (lib\*.jar) do call cp.bat %%i set CP=classes;%CP% java -cp %CP% org.apache.ojb.tutorial1.Application => missing cp.bat . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi all, i commited the new quick-start to 1.0.x branch. please check it out ! this sounds good, but does not help me. I still need the commandline / ant-target new addition to start the tutorial (see the other messages). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Łukasz Korzybski wrote: Dnia niedziela, 14 listopada 2004 21:29, Thomas Dudziak napisał: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [...] NB 4.0 uses ant natively for its projects. To run obj-blank in NB: New Project -> Java Project with Existing Ant Script We need to choose project location and select build.xml After creation, in project properties we can select build, deploy etc. targets. Open build.xml and add run target: thank you [note: the ant-target "run" works from the command-line, too] Please use this slight corrected version for Tutorial 1: And everything should fly. problem: [root]/build.xml [root]/build/classes [root]/build/resources the application runs withing [root]. the application needs to access files within /build/resources Can one make the necessary modification to the above ant-target "run"? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. I've compiled the code within netbeans, but i'm not able to start within the IDE. can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 Can one please give me the exact command-line i have to use for the tutorial 1? . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakob Braeuchi wrote: hi ilias, any help will be really appreciated. ok, very nice. i do not know netbeans but i try to run the tutorial1.Application from within eclipse. as soon as i have it running i'll let you know. The command line parameters would fine (or even better), too! I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is [...] can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 java -classpath??? [...] Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\target>java -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. I've compiled the code within netbeans, but i'm not able to start within the IDE. can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 java -classpath??? update: An ant target "jar" is available. Within Netbeans 4.0, i've started this. Try to execute the produced jar: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\target>java -jar my-project.jar Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from my-project.jar I really think your quick-start application needs to be updated a little, thus it is easier for newcomers to understand. I can assist you to make a netbeans 4.0 project and a very compact document, which will be usable for total newcomers. [but first, please let me know how to start my OJB tutorials] I the OJB-team actually intrested to increase the general usage of OJB? ? I have some very simple suggestions, which need only a few days to implement. . . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: [...] If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. I've compiled the code within netbeans, but i'm not able to start within the IDE. can you please give me the exact command line for the tutorial 1? My project resides on: J:\pj\ojbeval\ojb-blank\src\java\org\apache\ojb\tutorial1 java -classpath??? I the OJB-team actually intrested to increase the general usage of OJB? ? I have some very simple suggestions, which need only a few days to implement. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the ojb-blank.jar file which contains a ready-to-use base environment (including an Eclipse project), and then drop in the files of one of I would prefere a netbeans 4.0 project. the tutorials (tutorials-src.jar), probably tutorial 1 or 2. You can get all of them in the binary download area. A description of this is in the "Getting started" page: http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html [...] http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/tutorials/summary.html Many documentation, many manual steps. Actually there are only few steps. Which I have difficulties to detect within the large document [as most possibly every newcomer would have]. Most of the getting started doc just explains what the files mean and what settings there are. I see. And IMO its better to be detailed (and explicit) than to be overly short. You are of course right. But the user should decide about the detail increase. Solution: hierarchical document, which is compact, with links to more details. If you just want to run something, then drop in the source files and do I want to run and explore it. ant build ant setup-db cd build/resources java -classpath "the;classpath" whatever.you.main.class.is ok, will try. - I the OJB-team actually intrested to increase the general usage of OJB? I have some very simple suggestions, which need only a few days to implement. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dudziak wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database Yupp, there something of that sort. You can download the ojb-blank.jar file which contains a ready-to-use base environment (including an Eclipse project), and then drop in the files of one of the tutorials (tutorials-src.jar), probably tutorial 1 or 2. You can get all of them in the binary download area. A description of this is in the "Getting started" page: http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/getting-started.html Section "Contents of ojb-blank" src/java Place your unit tests in here. should be: src/*test* Place your unit tests in here. and the tutorials at http://db.apache.org/ojb/docu/tutorials/summary.html Many documentation, many manual steps. I'll give it a try tomorrow morning (using netbeans 4.0). . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[QUICKSTART] - A OJB quickstart similar to hibernate
- Is there any OJB quick-start download available? - binaries - ready to go configuration - sample application with integrated database - I've selected OJB, mostly due its ODMG/JDO/native API combination. I have one problem: Quick-Start! Found this one, but seems old: http://db.apache.org/ojb.rc4/quickstart.html In the actual page, I cannot find a quickstart http://db.apache.org/ojb/ - hibernate has a sample appication: http://caveatemptor.hibernate.org/ - I do not want to use hibernate, for the only reason that starting developement is easier. . -- http://lazaridis.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
