Re: [PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
On Oct 9, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Please have a look when you get a moment at the test area for home pages in: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I have moved what were basically permanent items on our social networking areas and blog to the I want to stay in touch... area. Also, I edited the styling giving ~66% to the main menu items and ~33% to the campaign items to deal with annoyances on both browser and mobile devices. I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this in place sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections. as a short ps. I did discover, after some investigation into the actual html for our generated web site, that we do indeed already have ssi enabled for ALL .html files for our entire site. I told you that was the case more than once, but I guess you had to figure it out yourself. So, if that helps anyone in any way. I am already investigating and testing this to deal with the ongoing news area. Set up file extensions for your includes with some other than .html -- I used .ssi -- and away you go! Or, modify the behavior of ooo-site/trunk/lib/path.pm to do a transformation of xml or mdtext into a ssi. There is more to learn about it. You can ask about it directly or find my emails in the archives. Regards, Dave -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
On 09/10/2012 Kay Schenk wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ ... I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this in place sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections. It's nice indeed. I only see the Valid XHTML icon positioned a bit too high maybe... Is it wanted? http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/ooo-www-test.png And, by the way, clicking on it reveals that there are a couple of markup fixes to apply, but I don't know if those are due to the CMS or to specific markup of the page. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system
On 10.10.2012 00:34, Andrew Rist wrote: On 10/9/2012 4:27 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: On 01.10.2012 06:16, Andrew Rist wrote: I'll checkin the code this week - was trying to get a working env with he branch, and was having the usual issues. Thanks. Don't know how far we're taking this , but would be nice to leave the build cleaner and more stable... I finally got to checking out the buildsys branch and building it. Before I describe the problems that I have I would like to ask if you have made changes beyond adapting the license headers? At his point I have done nothing beyond applying the patches and updating headers. I am still trying to figure out what has been changed and why. The commit messages of the two larger commits (1394326 and 1394707) state that both contain changes from CWSs ause130, ause131, gnumake4 and sd2gbuild: ause130: #i117218# change .idl handling to gnu make ause131: #i117685# own copy target for globlmn.hrc gnumake4: add support for zip and jar files sd2gbuild: migrated module sd to gbuild gnumake4: #i117340#: CustomTarget: replace broken multi-repo support Why are there two commits? My first checkin did not identify all the files changed during the git apply actions. the second checkin was an attempt to rectify that. As I write this I am realizing that I did not add all of the new files delivered in the patches. I will look at this in a bit. OK, no problem. I will wait. -Andre
Re: [Call-for-Review]Bug 121178 - [From Symphoy]Chart name in Excel is different with the name in Symphony
HI~ I updated the patch per your suggestion. Please have a look, any new comments please let me know. Thanks Clarence 2012/10/9 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org --- Mar 9/10/12, Clarence GUO clarence.guo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Da: Clarence GUO clarence.guo...@gmail.com Oggetto: [Call-for-Review]Bug 121178 - [From Symphoy]Chart name in Excel is different with the name in Symphony A: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Data: Martedì 9 ottobre 2012, 03:19 Hi~ I have a code review request. Is there anybody could help me to review this fix? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121178 Thanks BRs Clarence Here again I am seeing some ugly markers that note where the fix for an issue number starts/ends. Pleae remove those: they make the code ugly and unreadable and such information is made redundant by SVN. Pedro.
[call for review] One fix about performance improvement(xlsx loading)
hi, all I have one fix need for review. Please check the below for details, thanks! it is about xlsx loading: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121190 Root cause: UpdatePageBreaks was called many times wrongly when loading. Resolution: 1. temporarily disable 'UpdatePageBreaks' in WorkbookGlobals::initialize( bool bWorkbookFile ) 2. disable 'UpdatePageBreaks' in loading .xlsx format file in function ScTable::UpdatePageBreaks( const ScRange* pUserArea ) 3. enable 'UpdatePageBreaks' after loading finish in WorkbookGlobals::finalize()
Cleaning up ext_sources/
Hi, I was reminded by posts in another thread that we still have the category-B tarballs in SVN. I have created bug 121191 [1] for their removal. Please see that issue for a complete list of files. I checked that 1. all of the files that are to be removed are present on apache-extras, 2. the main/external_deps.lst file in our current source release has references to apache-extras for all the files that are to be removed. If anybody knows a reason not to delete the category-B tarballs from SVN, please speak up, otherwise I will remove them at the end of the week. Best regards, Andre [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121191
Re: Marketing events
+1, this is just brainstorming about something of common interest so at this stage its best to be as public as possible. If there is a clear proposal outside the scope of ASF then we should move it outside. OK. The issue of funding people to take part in marketing has always been an issue since the start of OOo. It might well be out of the scope of ASF but it is certainly no disadvantage to be able to fund experienced people to speak at important events. Is AOO different from other ASF projects in that respect? Probably a) because of its size and b) because of its end-user focus. In the spirit of brainstorming the, lets consider. I can imagine someone looking to fund development work, if they desire the outcome of that work. Ditto for translations. Maybe even a crowd-funded documentation effort. In all the cases their is a return to the person funding. But I'm having a hard time imagining a business model based on person A giving money to person B to market to person C. EU give a grant to person B to educate people (people C) about the benefits of Open Source. This is just one possible example. We ran an EU learner workshop a couple of weeks ago on the subject of digital audio recording. https://theingots.org/community/GLWS Grant was just under 30,000 Euro for putting on the event and paying travel expenses of 12 delegates from 4 countries. These are one way of getting funding into marketing. There are probably many others but they need people with expertise and people with time to make applications because it's not straightforward. But then again neither is developing AOO code ;-) Maybe in the same sense someone might help fund a missionary. But this is very lean. And as we know LO has claimed moral superiority, so opportunities for FOSS sympathetic funding is diminished. I wouldn't be too worried about LO. There are opportunities that don't necessarily depend on altruism. Would a new organization with no history, no reputation, no affiliation with the project attract many donors? Not impossible, but not very encouraging, IMHO. Affiliation with the project would help, but it is not essential. I started a business initially on the idea of certification of OOo that has morphed into other things and has had no direct connection with OOo for all the same types of political reasons that a new marketing entity might have to be separate from AOO. A not for profit *might* be more acceptable but there are technical issues eg obtaining grants for organisations that are not legal entities. An alternative, and perhaps complimentary, approach would be to make a concerted effort to attract more marketing volunteers. With more volunteers and greater geographical distribution, we'll have more opportunities and more flexibility. That is certainly important and the old OOo had a wide network of MarCons in different countries. Even so it costs money to travel. Even for me to get to London and back from here can cost $200 and that is before any costs associated with booth hire or entry to shows etc. A few years ago I attended the NEA conference to distribute OOo discs in Los Angeles partly at my own expense and partly with a UK trade and industry grant but it cost about $4000. In any case I'm committed to a robust volunteer-led marketing effort within the project. A talented volunteer working on AOO can gain skills and build up a portfolio of accomplishments and a network of contacts that can help them in future employment prospects, even if not related to OpenOffice. I think this makes an attractive option for some. I think it is a yes and rather than an either or. My experience is that for the sake of what are relatively small amounts of money the effectiveness of marketing is massively and disproportionately reduced, especially when it is a consumer product that is not something that will proliferate well enough through geek networks. I should think 99.9% of people that install Apache web server are IT professionals, 99.9% of people that install AOO will be IT end users. There is a big difference in the marketing required to each of those audiences. Obviously if I am successful and you are as well then AOO will be very well-marketed! For me I have to carry on with what I'm doing anyway, so it is more a matter of whether a more organised collective approach is likely to be more effective than a fragmented individual approach. Regards, -Rob -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Marketing events
On 10 October 2012 01:54, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi I'm from Brazil and there various events: FISL, LatinoWare, Revista Espirito Livre and others spread throughout BR. You could have a fund for member official AOO, so you can attend the AOO speaking, lecturing, talking etc.. But this must be carefully discussed. This member can attend these events that have availability and time available. It'll be like us, being voluntary, but that talk of AOO events. Hi Albino, The main issue is where does the money come from to fund this? How can fund raising be coordinated and if funds are raised where are they stored and then how are they distributed? If ASF has no scope for targeted funding on projects within it, any such fund raising has to take place outside. If we created a NFP called Friends of AOO we then have potential issues with the trademarks, conflicts of interest etc. Not necessarily problems we can't resolve but it needs some careful initial thought so that we get started (if indeed we do) in a sustainable way that will maximise benefit to the project. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: question about consultants page
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Jörg Schmidt i...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, If the information on the page http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html still in discussion, or can I already send my XML file to ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org? Submissions are welcome. We've received a few already in recent days. We should think of consultant-submission.html as a living document. It starts with answers to the questions and issue we thought of in advance. But we may need to adjust it based on issues raised by real submissions. But it is enough for us to start. -Rob I hope http://jm-schmidt.de/taetigkeit.htm is correct regarding the ASF trademarks. Greetings, Jörg
Re: Marketing events
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: +1, this is just brainstorming about something of common interest so at this stage its best to be as public as possible. If there is a clear proposal outside the scope of ASF then we should move it outside. OK. The issue of funding people to take part in marketing has always been an issue since the start of OOo. It might well be out of the scope of ASF but it is certainly no disadvantage to be able to fund experienced people to speak at important events. Is AOO different from other ASF projects in that respect? Probably a) because of its size and b) because of its end-user focus. In the spirit of brainstorming the, lets consider. I can imagine someone looking to fund development work, if they desire the outcome of that work. Ditto for translations. Maybe even a crowd-funded documentation effort. In all the cases their is a return to the person funding. But I'm having a hard time imagining a business model based on person A giving money to person B to market to person C. EU give a grant to person B to educate people (people C) about the benefits of Open Source. This is just one possible example. We ran an EU learner workshop a couple of weeks ago on the subject of digital audio recording. https://theingots.org/community/GLWS Grant was just under 30,000 Euro for putting on the event and paying travel expenses of 12 delegates from 4 countries. These are one way of getting funding into marketing. There are probably many others but they need people with expertise and people with time to make applications because it's not straightforward. But then again neither is developing AOO code ;-) This makes sense. It is worth also considering the relationship between the ASF and Google when we participate in Google Summer of Code. If that is possible, what else is possible? Could the ASF be the recipient of grants? Or is having an EU-based entity a prerequisite for such grants? Maybe in the same sense someone might help fund a missionary. But this is very lean. And as we know LO has claimed moral superiority, so opportunities for FOSS sympathetic funding is diminished. I wouldn't be too worried about LO. There are opportunities that don't necessarily depend on altruism. Would a new organization with no history, no reputation, no affiliation with the project attract many donors? Not impossible, but not very encouraging, IMHO. Affiliation with the project would help, but it is not essential. I started a business initially on the idea of certification of OOo that has morphed into other things and has had no direct connection with OOo for all the same types of political reasons that a new marketing entity might have to be separate from AOO. A not for profit *might* be more acceptable but there are technical issues eg obtaining grants for organisations that are not legal entities. An alternative, and perhaps complimentary, approach would be to make a concerted effort to attract more marketing volunteers. With more volunteers and greater geographical distribution, we'll have more opportunities and more flexibility. That is certainly important and the old OOo had a wide network of MarCons in different countries. Even so it costs money to travel. Even for me to get to London and back from here can cost $200 and that is before any costs associated with booth hire or entry to shows etc. A few years ago I attended the NEA conference to distribute OOo discs in Los Angeles partly at my own expense and partly with a UK trade and industry grant but it cost about $4000. In any case I'm committed to a robust volunteer-led marketing effort within the project. A talented volunteer working on AOO can gain skills and build up a portfolio of accomplishments and a network of contacts that can help them in future employment prospects, even if not related to OpenOffice. I think this makes an attractive option for some. I think it is a yes and rather than an either or. My experience is that for the sake of what are relatively small amounts of money the effectiveness of marketing is massively and disproportionately reduced, especially when it is a consumer product that is not something that will proliferate well enough through geek networks. I should think 99.9% of people that install Apache web server are IT professionals, 99.9% of people that install AOO will be IT end users. There is a big difference in the marketing required to each of those audiences. Personally I'm most interested in reaching beyond the open source conference echo chamber and reaching the user audience that does not already know about OpenOffice and perhaps doesn't know about open source either. I think that equates to your consumer audience at least in the large. Obviously if I am successful and you are as well then AOO will be very well-marketed! For me I have to carry on with what
Extensions Directory and New API mailing list
Hello Roberto, Hopefully you saw the announcement of the new ooo-api mailing list. The focus for this would be application developers working with OpenOffice. I imagine it should be a useful list for any extension author to join. Is there any way we can promote this at the Extensions Repository? I see that you already have a link to the Extensions wiki at the top of http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/. I've updated that wiki page to point to the new mailing list. One additional thing that would help is if you could send an invitation to the authors of the extensions already in the repository. For example, a variation on the note I sent to the mailing list: Extension Authors, you are invited to join the Apache OpenOffice API mailing list There is a new mailing list in the Apache OpenOffice project --- ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. The focus of this list is for discussions related to OpenOffice macros, scripting and extensions. All topics related to application development with OpenOffice are welcome, including questions, suggestions for app-dev features in future releases, or even to tell us about your latest great extension. To join the list you should send an email to: ooo-api-subscr...@incubator.apache.org and then respond to the confirmation email you will receive. I hope to see you there soon! Regards, XXX Finally, for new extension author registrations, it might be good to add a reference to this mailing list to the confirmation email that is sent out to new site registrations. Thanks! -Rob
Re: Interactive Calendar Needed
Hi Starwind, A lot of users (myself included) use Thunderbird with the Lightning plug-in which provides excellent calendar facilities. There is an extension you can get to this which will synch it with Google calendar as well. I personally don't know of anything on the AOO development road map for calendars. Regards, Dave. On 10/10/2012 12:37, Starwind51 wrote: I recently started using OpenOffice because I didn't want to upgrade from the Microsoft Office trial versions that came with my netbook. My laptop has a version of Microsoft Office Works Suite that came with an interactive calendar. I was hoping OpenOffice would have one, too. I don't want to have to sign into an e-mail service to be able to view an interactive calendar, and it might be a while before I can access the one on my laptop. Do you have plans to develop such a calendar or can you recommend one? Kriya Singh
Korean PO file
Hi, I am planning to manage Korean translation again, and I wonder if it is possible to get pootle account by CLA process. Also, if it doesn't bother pootle admin, would you take Korean PO file from the server and send me via email so that I can quickly start to translate the strings. Best, Jeongkyu -- Jeongkyu Kim OpenOffice.org Korean community lead Community website http://openoffice.or.kr Personal blog http://openoffice.or.kr/gomme
Re: Korean PO file
Hi Jeongkyu On 10/10/12 2:12 PM, Jeongkyu Kim wrote: Hi, I am planning to manage Korean translation again, and I wonder if it is possible to get pootle account by CLA process. Also, if it doesn't bother pootle admin, would you take Korean PO file from the server and send me via email so that I can quickly start to translate the strings. great, first of all I suggest that you join the ooo-l...@incubator.apache.org mailing list. It is the main mailing list where we discuss translation related things. We currently still have some problems with the Pootle server but if you can work with the po files directly it's perfect for now. I will prepare a set of po files for you for offline usage. Juergen
Re: Korean PO file
On 10/10/12 2:22 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi Jeongkyu On 10/10/12 2:12 PM, Jeongkyu Kim wrote: Hi, I am planning to manage Korean translation again, and I wonder if it is possible to get pootle account by CLA process. Also, if it doesn't bother pootle admin, would you take Korean PO file from the server and send me via email so that I can quickly start to translate the strings. great, first of all I suggest that you join the ooo-l...@incubator.apache.org mailing list. It is the main mailing list where we discuss translation related things. We currently still have some problems with the Pootle server but if you can work with the po files directly it's perfect for now. I will prepare a set of po files for you for offline usage. I forget that I had already prepared po files for Korean, please find them under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/sdf/aoo341_ko_po_files.tar.bz2 And please join ooo-l10n to centralize the discussion on this list. Juergen
Re: question about consultants page
Hello Rob, *, From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Submissions are welcome. Fine, thanks. Here are my data: consultant nameJörg Schmidt, IT- und Unternehmensberatung/name countryDE/country practiceDeployment/practice practiceSupport/practice practiceDevelopment/practice practiceOthers/practice descriptionconsulting, migration (planning, implementation, project-care), programming (extensions, macros), trainings (for managers and end users), support (end users, installation, install customization)/description websitehttp://www.jm-schmidt.de/website emaili...@jm-schmidt.de/email phone /phone /consultant or online: http://www.calc-info.de/files/joerg_schmidt.xml We should think of consultant-submission.html as a living document. Yes. That is also my opinion. I am offering commercial support for OpenOffice.org (consulting, migration, programming, trainings) since 6 years. (in germany) Greetings, Jörg
Re: Extensions Directory and New API mailing list
I will send it later today, sure. Roberto Sent from my iPhone On 10/ott/2012, at 13:50, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Hello Roberto, Hopefully you saw the announcement of the new ooo-api mailing list. The focus for this would be application developers working with OpenOffice. I imagine it should be a useful list for any extension author to join. Is there any way we can promote this at the Extensions Repository? I see that you already have a link to the Extensions wiki at the top of http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/. I've updated that wiki page to point to the new mailing list. One additional thing that would help is if you could send an invitation to the authors of the extensions already in the repository. For example, a variation on the note I sent to the mailing list: Extension Authors, you are invited to join the Apache OpenOffice API mailing list There is a new mailing list in the Apache OpenOffice project --- ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. The focus of this list is for discussions related to OpenOffice macros, scripting and extensions. All topics related to application development with OpenOffice are welcome, including questions, suggestions for app-dev features in future releases, or even to tell us about your latest great extension. To join the list you should send an email to: ooo-api-subscr...@incubator.apache.org and then respond to the confirmation email you will receive. I hope to see you there soon! Regards, XXX Finally, for new extension author registrations, it might be good to add a reference to this mailing list to the confirmation email that is sent out to new site registrations. Thanks! -Rob -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Marketing events
Hi. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: The main issue is where does the money come from to fund this? How can fund raising be coordinated and if funds are raised where are they stored and then how are they distributed? Of course. In principle must be volunteers who have availability in events go willingly, so we'll see who likes to participate in such. We have a cost / benefit of donations, and to separate events and marketing. Albino
Re: Marketing events
On 10 October 2012 14:29, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: The main issue is where does the money come from to fund this? How can fund raising be coordinated and if funds are raised where are they stored and then how are they distributed? Of course. In principle must be volunteers who have availability in events go willingly, so we'll see who likes to participate in such. We have a cost / benefit of donations, and to separate events and marketing. Albino I'm making the assumption that if there is funding for travel and subsistence, there will not be a shortage of volunteers. At least that seemed tobe the case with OOo so probably it will still be the case now. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Installation patches
On 09.10.2012 17:39, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
From: Andre Fischer
...
As you can imagine generating packages takes a lot of time: it involves extracting
and repackaging.: it would be nice to have a raw mode that just installs
things and let our ports/packaging system take over.
I am not sure what you mean.
I meant that would be nice to have a way to specify make install that just
installs the files without
going through intermediate installation sets.
That is already done in the background. Before any archive, installer
or packages are created AOO is setup in a temporary directory.The
following diff prevents the temporary directory from being deleted
before make install: ends:
diff --git a/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/simplepackage.pm
b/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/simplepackage.pm
old mode 100644
new mode 100755
index c6b22d3..0be2496
--- a/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/simplepackage.pm
+++ b/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/simplepackage.pm
@@ -579,8 +579,9 @@ sub create_package
if ( $return_to_start ) { chdir($from); }
- print ... removing $tempdir ...\n;
- installer::systemactions::remove_complete_directory($tempdir);
+# print ... removing $tempdir ...\n;
+# installer::systemactions::remove_complete_directory($tempdir);
+ print ... not removing $tempdir ...\n;
}
We also don't need EPM to generate tar files.
Should not be too hard to make EPM an optional perquisite when no RPMs
or DEBs are created. Maybe this already works?
This is completely unrelated to the update mechanism though.
Updates:
FreeBSD will be transitioning RSN to the new pkgng format which takes care of
dependencies and updates in third party packages. I haven't looked at it in
detail but it is considered ready for prime time and has been tested
extensively. For the base system we have a system in place which uses bsdiff:
http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/
This would be very useful to release binary patches for security fixes or minor
updates. Google chrome used this same mechanism and later enhanced it into
Courgette:
http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette
I looked at that before I realized that msimsp.exe is already handling
the comparison of (binary) files and possibly the creation of binary
diffs (but probably not as good as either bsdiff or courgette.
Linux and OS X don't have msimsp.exe though, so maybe that's why Chrome
invented Courgette ;).
Maybe. But msimsp.exe and bsdiff/courgette solve different problems.
You need more than bsdiff/courgette for a working updater.
I am more interested in the FireFox and Thunderbird update mechanism.
Downloading the patches in the background, preparing the update, and
only on the next restart do the remaining work that requires superuser
or Administrator permissions.
-Andre
Using the native facilities for Windows is fine and that solves more than 80%
of the problem so it sounds like you are on the right track.
Pedro.
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Hi, all, I went through top 180 ideas, and here is my summary till now: 1. OOXML has 12 ideas, and totally 989 + votes 2. Modern UI has 11 ideas, and totally 347 + votes 3. Loading performance has 4 ideas and got 310 + votes 4. MS binary format support has 4 ideas and 269 + votes 5. Toolbar/sidebar related ideas are 8, and 257 + votes 6. 2 ideas ask for patch/update, and got 253 + votes 7. Preference setting related ideas are 8 and 244 + votes 8. Copy/paste related ideas are 4 and 207 + votes 9. Install improvement related ideas are 4 and got 176 + votes 10. Mobile support ideas are 4 and got 171 + votes About 40 ideas are requiring new features, and got 1300 + votes 17 ideas are to improve user experience for various operations, and got 400 + votes 9 ideas are about social integration, and got 383 votes 13 asking for the enhancement of existing functions, and got 377 + votes It is difficult to categorize the ideas and count. I wonder if Kevin can define some criteria and we can pick up different areas to build up the report. - Simon 2012/10/2 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other period snapshots: - Facebook comments - Google+ comments - Twitter comments - Forum topics of interest - etc. Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference. Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the community and gather some data and insight. Perhaps a good way of doing this would be to use an existing social bookmarking service, one that also allows tagging, e.g., Diigo, Delicious, etc. That way those who are interested in collecting interesting posts from Google+, Twitter, or the web in general, could easily submit it and tag it. Most of these services have either browser plugin or bookmarklet support to make it easy. A folksonomy could develop to categorize links in various ways. Some services allow a discussion thread per link, or even page annotation features. -Rob Regards, Kevin On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community wiki. Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for specific topics. For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and perform some informal polling. I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session started. Thoughts? On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi Update: 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes Albino
Re: Marketing events
This thread is a great source of energy - and I'd love to see plenty of people following it... over on ooo-marketing@, as several have suggested! Please - if you're interested in marketing, outreach, consulting, or anything like that around AOO, send mail to ooo-marketing-subscr...@incubator.apache.org and/or read the archives at my favorite mail archive, http://ooo-marketing.markmail.org - Shane (moving over there now) On 10/9/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO?
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, excuse my top posting but I think we can relax a little bit. The situation now is clear enough and the code will be changed accordingly when we use it and merge parts of it in our main trunk. I can understand you Rob and I am also a little bit peeved about it but we can't really change it and have to accept what people are saying. Dennis and Dave who both do not really work on product relevant code don't have to work on this code as well. For all others you have explained how it is possible even now. Let us move forward and don't waste energy in a fruitless discussion with nitpicking. +1 ..no need to continue this thread, IMHO Juergen Am Mittwoch, 10. Oktober 2012 um 00:45 schrieb Dave Fisher: On Oct 9, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 09/10/2012 Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? ... What gets me is the attitude of Rob as a representative of IBM. Rob already clarified that removing the files would be a theoretical, extreme measure for those concerned with having those files in the same repository as the OpenOffice source code: they would be moved into an external repository and integrated from there (which is not desirable at all, but they would continue to be integrated into OpenOffice as it happens now). All that is being asked is that the IP clearance be completed. That way any contributor will feel safe. But, as discussed months ago (with no particular opposition if I remember correctly), files that are on a separate branch and are not release relevant will need appropriate headers only when they are merged into trunk. The README for the Symphony branch already explains the licenses well enough to be sure that people won't misunderstand: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/symphony/trunk/README?revision=1351160view=markup When files that contain the copyright are moved into use then someone from IBM should change the header. The project NOTICE should then indicate that portions are copyright IBM., just like Oracle. It does not look too difficult to script... By the way, the IPMC so far didn't raise any questions about these files or anything else in reply to the proposed resolution: http://s.apache.org/oW No replies at all last I checked. Regards, Dave Regards, Andrea.
Re: [RESULT][VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: The Vote started on 2012-10-04 has ended. Results: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) - 28 (24 PPMC + 2 Committers + 2 Community) Drew Jensen (atjensen) - 3 (3 PPMC) There were no other votes cast. The PPMC has approved Andrea Pescetti for PMC Chair Apache OpenOffice PMC This can now be added to the TLP resolution for AOO. Congratulions Andrea! I look forward to supporting you as best I can as the project moves forward.
Re: Proposed resolution: Establish the Apache OpenOffice Project
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: The Apache OpenOffice PPMC and Community believe the project is ready to graduate to a Top Level Project. Multiple steps were taken in this direction, including: - Community vote to start graduation process: http://s.apache.org/e7F - Consensus on resolution text: http://s.apache.org/JN8 - Election of Starting Membership for the PMC: http://s.apache.org/aR9 - Election of a (future) PMC Chair: http://s.apache.org/019 - Feedback from mentors: http://markmail.org/message/utklcwlfwl5wp5sx The proposed resolution text follows. I expect to start a VOTE on it on general@incubator as soon as there is consensus (on the same list). Andrea, I believe we have established consensus here and encourage you to start the VOTE on general@incubator at your earliest convenience. --- WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the OpenOffice personal productivity applications, for distribution at no charge to the public. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache OpenOffice Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the OpenOffice personal productivity applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, OpenOffice be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache OpenOffice Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache OpenOffice Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache OpenOffice Project: * Andre Fischer (af) * Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) * Andrew Rist (arist) * Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) * Armin Le Grand (alg) * Dave Fisher (wave) * Donald Harbison (dpharbison) * Drew Jensen (atjensen) * Ian Lynch (ingotian) * Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) * Kay Schenk (kschenk) * Kazunari Hirano (khirano) * Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) * Marcus Lange (marcus) * Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) * Pedro Giffuni (pfg) * Peter Junge (pj) * Raphael Bircher (rbircher) * Regina Henschel (regina) * RGB.ES (rgb-es) * Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) * Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) * Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Andrea Pescetti be appointed to the office of Vice President, OpenOffice, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the OpenOffice Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache OpenOffice.org podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator OpenOffice.org podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. --- Best regards, Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC.
Re: Installation patches
From: Andre Fischer ... We also don't need EPM to generate tar files. Should not be too hard to make EPM an optional perquisite when no RPMs or DEBs are created. Maybe this already works? We tried that (with Maho), but it doesn't work. EPM is always required and we had to specify --with-package-format=archive in configure. Linux and OS X don't have msimsp.exe though, so maybe that's why Chrome invented Courgette ;). Maybe. But msimsp.exe and bsdiff/courgette solve different problems. You need more than bsdiff/courgette for a working updater. I am more interested in the FireFox and Thunderbird update mechanism. Downloading the patches in the background, preparing the update, and only on the next restart do the remaining work that requires superuser or Administrator permissions. bsdiff is only a binary patch utility, you certainly need more for a working updater. cheers, Pedro.
Re: [PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Please have a look when you get a moment at the test area for home pages in: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I have moved what were basically permanent items on our social networking areas and blog to the I want to stay in touch... area. Also, I edited the styling giving ~66% to the main menu items and ~33% to the campaign items to deal with annoyances on both browser and mobile devices. I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this in place sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections. as a short ps. I did discover, after some investigation into the actual html for our generated web site, that we do indeed already have ssi enabled for ALL .html files for our entire site. I told you that was the case more than once, but I guess you had to figure it out yourself. Well you did I have no doubt. I probably misunderstood what you were trying to say, and yes, did have to figure it out myself. :/ It was obvious when I saw what actually got generated from the build. Duh...I guess I should have looked at this a lot sooner. So, if that helps anyone in any way. I am already investigating and testing this to deal with the ongoing news area. Set up file extensions for your includes with some other than .html -- I used .ssi -- and away you go! Or, modify the behavior of ooo-site/trunk/lib/path.pm to do a transformation of xml or mdtext into a ssi. Well I originally just wanted to use a simple .ssi for the News business to get away from editing and archiving entries as we do now. This was before Rob's suggestions about xml feeds etc. At any rate, I'm sure there's a lot that could be done. Right now, I'm having issues getting includes to work with my local setup...so after I get that gong, I'll do more testing, and make more changes to our header portions. There is more to learn about it. You can ask about it directly or find my emails in the archives. OK...I'll do that. Maybe at some point, we could work on providing additional information in our instructions as well -- maybe Advanced Website Techniques or something. Regards, Dave -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: On 09/10/2012 Kay Schenk wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/**test/ http://www.openoffice.org/test/ ... I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this in place sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections. It's nice indeed. I only see the Valid XHTML icon positioned a bit too high maybe... Is it wanted? http://people.apache.org/~**pescetti/tmp/ooo-www-test.pnghttp://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/ooo-www-test.png And, by the way, clicking on it reveals that there are a couple of markup fixes to apply, but I don't know if those are due to the CMS or to specific markup of the page. hmmm...thanks for the feedback. Yes, the positioning can be changed and I will look at the fixes it tags. Regards, Andrea. -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Problem installing openoffice.org-3
Hi, I have a problem installing OpenOffice.org-3 after: cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3 ; make LOCALIZED_LANG=fr install package it stopped at: Building module drawinglayer = Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/transitions Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/slide Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/geometry Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/activities Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/shapes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/attribute Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/animationnodes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/texture Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/util Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/OGLTrans Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/animation slideshow deliver Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/util drawinglayer deliver 1 module(s): connectivity need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/connectivity/source/parse Attention: if you fix the errors in above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command: build --from connectivity *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. Do I have to rebuild connectivity? and how to do it ? Is there another solution? Thank you for your help and direction to solve my problem Regards
Re: Proposed resolution: Establish the Apache OpenOffice Project
On 10/10/2012 8:23 AM, Donald Harbison wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: The Apache OpenOffice PPMC and Community believe the project is ready to graduate to a Top Level Project. Multiple steps were taken in this direction, including: - Community vote to start graduation process: http://s.apache.org/e7F - Consensus on resolution text: http://s.apache.org/JN8 - Election of Starting Membership for the PMC: http://s.apache.org/aR9 - Election of a (future) PMC Chair: http://s.apache.org/019 - Feedback from mentors: http://markmail.org/message/utklcwlfwl5wp5sx The proposed resolution text follows. I expect to start a VOTE on it on general@incubator as soon as there is consensus (on the same list). Andrea, I believe we have established consensus here and encourage you to start the VOTE on general@incubator at your earliest convenience. +1 --- WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the OpenOffice personal productivity applications, for distribution at no charge to the public. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache OpenOffice Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the OpenOffice personal productivity applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, OpenOffice be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache OpenOffice Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache OpenOffice Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache OpenOffice Project: * Andre Fischer (af) * Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) * Andrew Rist (arist) * Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) * Armin Le Grand (alg) * Dave Fisher (wave) * Donald Harbison (dpharbison) * Drew Jensen (atjensen) * Ian Lynch (ingotian) * Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) * Kay Schenk (kschenk) * Kazunari Hirano (khirano) * Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) * Marcus Lange (marcus) * Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) * Pedro Giffuni (pfg) * Peter Junge (pj) * Raphael Bircher (rbircher) * Regina Henschel (regina) * RGB.ES (rgb-es) * Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) * Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) * Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Andrea Pescetti be appointed to the office of Vice President, OpenOffice, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the OpenOffice Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache OpenOffice.org podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator OpenOffice.org podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. --- Best regards, Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC. -- Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect OracleCorporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
- Original Message - ... Who praised my axe? I recall *you* threatened to veto it :-P. Yes, I did. And I've learned from my error. So in this case I'd seek lazy consensus first ;-) And now that you bring back the issue, I still think the cat-B files have to be delete *before* graduation. Are there some still that you want to delete? Is anything stopping you? Is there a BZ issue for this? For the record: I said axe was a proper solution for the issue, I didn't offer to axe them myself. :) IMHO, opening a bugzilla for this issue is against the concept of lazy consensus: there is consensus that we want to graduate so we remove those files and if someone complains we consider alternatives. This stuff of opening bugzilla issues, waiting for a lot of people to review the code and then committing may work well in a corporate environment but doesn't scale well in an OSS environment. Pedro.
Re: Marketing events
On 10/10/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: +1, this is just brainstorming about something of common interest so at this stage its best to be as public as possible. If there is a clear proposal outside the scope of ASF then we should move it outside. OK. The issue of funding people to take part in marketing has always been an issue since the start of OOo. It might well be out of the scope of ASF but it is certainly no disadvantage to be able to fund experienced people to speak at important events. Is AOO different from other ASF projects in that respect? Probably a) because of its size and b) because of its end-user focus. In the spirit of brainstorming the, lets consider. I can imagine someone looking to fund development work, if they desire the outcome of that work. Ditto for translations. Maybe even a crowd-funded documentation effort. In all the cases their is a return to the person funding. But I'm having a hard time imagining a business model based on person A giving money to person B to market to person C. EU give a grant to person B to educate people (people C) about the benefits of Open Source. This is just one possible example. We ran an EU learner workshop a couple of weeks ago on the subject of digital audio recording. https://theingots.org/community/GLWS Grant was just under 30,000 Euro for putting on the event and paying travel expenses of 12 delegates from 4 countries. These are one way of getting funding into marketing. There are probably many others but they need people with expertise and people with time to make applications because it's not straightforward. But then again neither is developing AOO code ;-) This makes sense. It is worth also considering the relationship between the ASF and Google when we participate in Google Summer of Code. If that is possible, what else is possible? Could the ASF be the recipient of grants? Or is having an EU-based entity a prerequisite for such grants? Maybe in the same sense someone might help fund a missionary. But this is very lean. And as we know LO has claimed moral superiority, so opportunities for FOSS sympathetic funding is diminished. I wouldn't be too worried about LO. There are opportunities that don't necessarily depend on altruism. Would a new organization with no history, no reputation, no affiliation with the project attract many donors? Not impossible, but not very encouraging, IMHO. Affiliation with the project would help, but it is not essential. I started a business initially on the idea of certification of OOo that has morphed into other things and has had no direct connection with OOo for all the same types of political reasons that a new marketing entity might have to be separate from AOO. A not for profit *might* be more acceptable but there are technical issues eg obtaining grants for organisations that are not legal entities. An alternative, and perhaps complimentary, approach would be to make a concerted effort to attract more marketing volunteers. With more volunteers and greater geographical distribution, we'll have more opportunities and more flexibility. That is certainly important and the old OOo had a wide network of MarCons in different countries. Even so it costs money to travel. Even for me to get to London and back from here can cost $200 and that is before any costs associated with booth hire or entry to shows etc. A few years ago I attended the NEA conference to distribute OOo discs in Los Angeles partly at my own expense and partly with a UK trade and industry grant but it cost about $4000. In any case I'm committed to a robust volunteer-led marketing effort within the project. A talented volunteer working on AOO can gain skills and build up a portfolio of accomplishments and a network of contacts that can help them in future employment prospects, even if not related to OpenOffice. I think this makes an attractive option for some. I think it is a yes and rather than an either or. My experience is that for the sake of what are relatively small amounts of money the effectiveness of marketing is massively and disproportionately reduced, especially when it is a consumer product that is not something that will proliferate well enough through geek networks. I should think 99.9% of people that install Apache web server are IT professionals, 99.9% of people that install AOO will be IT end users. There is a big difference in the marketing required to each of those audiences. Personally I'm most interested in reaching beyond the open source conference echo chamber and reaching the user audience that does not already know about OpenOffice and perhaps doesn't know about open source either. I think that equates to your consumer audience at least in the large. We were starting to do this getting into ALA =
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Original Message - ... Who praised my axe? I recall *you* threatened to veto it :-P. Yes, I did. And I've learned from my error. So in this case I'd seek lazy consensus first ;-) And now that you bring back the issue, I still think the cat-B files have to be delete *before* graduation. Are there some still that you want to delete? Is anything stopping you? Is there a BZ issue for this? For the record: I said axe was a proper solution for the issue, I didn't offer to axe them myself. :) IMHO, opening a bugzilla for this issue is against the concept of lazy consensus: there is consensus that we want to graduate so we remove those files and if someone complains we consider alternatives. Lazy consensus is when you want to do something yourself but you think it might be controversial. If you think it is not controversial, and it is reversible (as almsot everything in SVN is) then JFDI. But Bugzilla is very appropriate, and scalable, for listing things that you think need to be done, but which you are not able, willing, or interested in doing yourself. Listing such items on the mailing list only, and having then scroll by hours later -- that is what is not scalable. -Rob This stuff of opening bugzilla issues, waiting for a lot of people to review the code and then committing may work well in a corporate environment but doesn't scale well in an OSS environment. Pedro.
[Localization] Issues login into Pootle
I've been having issues login into pootle, seems it doesnt recognize my previous account. Not sure if this is an INFRA issue or should it be address on this ML? -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Installation patches
On 09/10/2012 Andre Fischer wrote: In the last days I looked into how to create installation patches for updating AOO. Using patches instead of full installation packages would lead to smaller files to distribute for updating AOO on the next release. This is really great news! A lot of users would prefer to have smaller, incremental updates available. And when you are ready for testers to jump in, just ask. Note that I have concentrated on the Windows platform for the time being. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages It's a pity that all the technology is OS-specific here. But, as Pedro wrote, covering Windows would already be a big step forward. And Linux-based systems will hopefully offer OpenOffice from their repositories again (or at least this is something we would definitely try upon graduation) so the need for incremental updates is not so big there. Mac users, on the contrary, would probably like to have it but are fewer than the Windows users. So it's OK to do this for Windows, then think about Mac, then about Linux-based systems unless existing technologies like DeltaRPM already offer a reduced download size. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Problem installing openoffice.org-3
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:45:30 + gringo lupo badi...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a problem installing OpenOffice.org-3 after: cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3 ; make LOCALIZED_LANG=fr install package it stopped at: Building module drawinglayer = Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/transitions Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/slide Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/geometry Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/activities Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/shapes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/attribute Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/animationnodes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/texture Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/util Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/OGLTrans Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/animation slideshow deliver Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/util drawinglayer deliver 1 module(s): connectivity need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/connectivity/source/parse Attention: if you fix the errors in above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command: build --from connectivity *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. Do I have to rebuild connectivity? and how to do it ? Is there another solution? Thank you for your help and direction to solve my problem Regards This is problem is referred here from the en-Forum; it is important to note that the poster is attempting to compile for FreeBSD, as one can se from the original thread http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16t=56733 -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie
Re: [Localization] Issues login into Pootle
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I've been having issues login into pootle, seems it doesnt recognize my previous account. Not sure if this is an INFRA issue or should it be address on this ML? This is an Apache-wide Pootle instance and no legacy OOo accounts were ported. You'll need to login with your Apache user name and password. -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [Localization] Issues login into Pootle
On 10/10/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I've been having issues login into pootle, seems it doesnt recognize my previous account. Not sure if this is an INFRA issue or should it be address on this ML? This is an Apache-wide Pootle instance and no legacy OOo accounts were ported. You'll need to login with your Apache user name and password. ah worked now. Thanks. -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Marketing events
On 9 October 2012 22:05, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: ... It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at FLOSS Events. I'm afraid your assumption is incorrect. The ASF is much broader and deeper than you imaging. Rob is right to ask how AOO might use that network to its advantage. http://people.apache.org/map.html However, I do think the general discussion should continue as Ian says later in the thread this is not an either/or thing. Ross
Re: Marketing events
On 10 October 2012 13:13, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: +1, this is just brainstorming about something of common interest so at this stage its best to be as public as possible. If there is a clear proposal outside the scope of ASF then we should move it outside. OK. The issue of funding people to take part in marketing has always been an issue since the start of OOo. It might well be out of the scope of ASF but it is certainly no disadvantage to be able to fund experienced people to speak at important events. Is AOO different from other ASF projects in that respect? Probably a) because of its size and b) because of its end-user focus. In the spirit of brainstorming the, lets consider. I can imagine someone looking to fund development work, if they desire the outcome of that work. Ditto for translations. Maybe even a crowd-funded documentation effort. In all the cases their is a return to the person funding. But I'm having a hard time imagining a business model based on person A giving money to person B to market to person C. EU give a grant to person B to educate people (people C) about the benefits of Open Source. This is just one possible example. We ran an EU learner workshop a couple of weeks ago on the subject of digital audio recording. https://theingots.org/community/GLWS Grant was just under 30,000 Euro for putting on the event and paying travel expenses of 12 delegates from 4 countries. These are one way of getting funding into marketing. There are probably many others but they need people with expertise and people with time to make applications because it's not straightforward. But then again neither is developing AOO code ;-) This makes sense. It is worth also considering the relationship between the ASF and Google when we participate in Google Summer of Code. If that is possible, what else is possible? The ASF doesn't receive the money for the development the student does. It is paid directly to the Student, not to the ASF. Google has no influence over which projects are accepted or how we run them. So, looking at GSoC is a reasonably good model, there is no formal relationship between the ASF and Google - that model works. Could the ASF be the recipient of grants? IMHO, No. The ASF will only accept donations without strings. Most grants, certainly the kind Ian is discussing, have strings (in the form of defined work packages, deliverables and reporting requirements). Ross
Re: Marketing events
On 10/10/12, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 22:05, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: ... It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at FLOSS Events. I'm afraid your assumption is incorrect. The ASF is much broader and deeper than you imaging. Rob is right to ask how AOO might use that network to its advantage. http://people.apache.org/map.html Even so, from all the FLOSS events I have attended to, in a span of 12 years of attending events. I only met 1 guy from apache. Not saying that there weren't others, but from personal experience, I have met more MySQL, Drupal, PHP and Asterisk guys than Apache or any of its projects. However, I do think the general discussion should continue as Ian says later in the thread this is not an either/or thing. Ross -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
On 08/10/2012 Graham Lauder wrote: That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what it is tho. Searching We needn't search. Let's ask Michael Acevedo (in CC), since the logo at http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg should be his work. Michael, do you remember in what font was Apache OpenOffice typeset? If you missed this thread, we are trying to create a proper SVG version of the above logo. The orb is done, we are now targeting the text. Regards, Andrea.
Problem installing openoffice.org-3
Hi, I have a problem installing OpenOffice.org-3 after: cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3 ; make LOCALIZED_LANG=fr install package it stopped at: Building module drawinglayer = Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/transitions Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/slide Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/geometry Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/activities Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/shapes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/attribute Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/animationnodes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/texture Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/util Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/OGLTrans Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/animation slideshow deliver Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/util drawinglayer deliver 1 module(s): connectivity need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/connectivity/source/parse Attention: if you fix the errors in above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command: build --from connectivity *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. Do I have to rebuild connectivity? and how to do it ? Is there another solution? Thank you for your help and direction to solve my problem Regards
Re: OpenOffice Developer Room (devroom) at FOSDEM
On 09/10/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: And indeed this happened today: FOSDEM organizers, who received an application from Apache OpenOffice and one from LibreOffice, asked whether we can share a devroom. Of course this was already in our proposal, so I said it would be OK for us. I was allowed to repost in public the complete text of their request. Here it is. No action needed, I already confirmed we would be available. --- Dear Andrea, Italo, Each of you have submitted a devroom request, for Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice respectively, to FOSDEM 2013. As you probably know, the number of rooms we have available at FOSDEM is small in comparison to the number of (good) requests we get. Each year, we get more requests than we have rooms available. We aim to host a large number of diverse projects, and to foster cross-collaboration. Hence, we are very reluctant to give a room to each of you separately, while we also do not want to choose only one either. So, we want to ask you whether you would consider hosting a shared devroom? Please discuss and let us know. If possible before Saturday, as we need to know for the final assignment. Kind regards, The devroom organizers PS. On the practical side, we can host a 'neutral' devroom mailinglist for talk submission and discussion on our server.
Problem installing openoffice.org-3
Hi, I have a problem installing OpenOffice.org-3 on Freebsd 9.0 RELEASE after: cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3 ; make LOCALIZED_LANG=fr install package it stopped at: Building module drawinglayer = Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/inc Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/transitions Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/slide Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/geometry Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/activities Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/shapes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/attribute Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/animationnodes Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive3d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/texture Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/util Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive2d Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/OGLTrans Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/animation slideshow deliver Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/util drawinglayer deliver 1 module(s): connectivity need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/connectivity/source/parse Attention: if you fix the errors in above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command: build --from connectivity *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. Do I have to rebuild connectivity? and how to do it ? Is there another solution? Thank you for your help and direction to solve my problem Regards
Re: Problem installing openoffice.org-3
Hello; - Original Message - From: gringo lupo badi...@hotmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org ... drawinglayer deliver 1 module(s): connectivity need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/connectivity/source/parse You are trying to build a very old version of OpenOffice.org. The newer Apache OpenOffice was been reworked to function well under FreeBSD. Please update your ports tree and try /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3 best regards, Pedro.
RE: Problem installing openoffice.org-3
OK I am going to try it . Thank you very much Regards Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:49:28 -0700 From: p...@apache.org Subject: Re: Problem installing openoffice.org-3 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org; badi...@hotmail.com Hello; - Original Message - From: gringo lupo badi...@hotmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org ... drawinglayer deliver 1 module(s): connectivity need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/connectivity/source/parse You are trying to build a very old version of OpenOffice.org. The newer Apache OpenOffice was been reworked to function well under FreeBSD. Please update your ports tree and try /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3 best regards, Pedro.
Re: Proposed resolution: Establish the Apache OpenOffice Project
On 10/10/2012 Donald Harbison wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: The proposed resolution text follows. I expect to start a VOTE on it on general@incubator as soon as there is consensus (on the same list). Andrea, I believe we have established consensus here and encourage you to start the VOTE on general@incubator at your earliest convenience. Well, the consensus should be established there (i.e., at general@incubator), not here at ooo-dev, and we had no replies so far there. But considering that http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html shows that the vote can start the day after the preliminary message I sent, I've proceeded now and started the 72-hour vote on general@incubator. We as Apache OpenOffice PPMC members do not have (in general) binding votes there, so there's no need to vote. And avoiding unnecessary and confusing votes is the reason for me not sending a copy here: you will be able to find the message at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201210.mbox/browser as soon as the archives are updated. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Korean PO file
On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/12 2:22 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi Jeongkyu On 10/10/12 2:12 PM, Jeongkyu Kim wrote: Hi, I am planning to manage Korean translation again, and I wonder if it is possible to get pootle account by CLA process. Also, if it doesn't bother pootle admin, would you take Korean PO file from the server and send me via email so that I can quickly start to translate the strings. great, first of all I suggest that you join the ooo-l...@incubator.apache.org mailing list. It is the main mailing list where we discuss translation related things. We currently still have some problems with the Pootle server but if you can work with the po files directly it's perfect for now. I will prepare a set of po files for you for offline usage. I forget that I had already prepared po files for Korean, please find them under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/sdf/aoo341_ko_po_files.tar.bz2 Thank you! And please join ooo-l10n to centralize the discussion on this list. Done. I will post further messages into the list. Jeongkyu
commit after review vs lazy consensus (was Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation)
- Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: - Original Message - ... Who praised my axe? I recall *you* threatened to veto it :-P. Yes, I did. And I've learned from my error. So in this case I'd seek lazy consensus first ;-) And now that you bring back the issue, I still think the cat-B files have to be delete *before* graduation. Are there some still that you want to delete? Is anything stopping you? Is there a BZ issue for this? For the record: I said axe was a proper solution for the issue, I didn't offer to axe them myself. :) IMHO, opening a bugzilla for this issue is against the concept of lazy consensus: there is consensus that we want to graduate so we remove those files and if someone complains we consider alternatives. Lazy consensus is when you want to do something yourself but you think it might be controversial. If you think it is not controversial, and it is reversible (as almsot everything in SVN is) then JFDI. Wrong concept: http://rave.apache.org/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html Lazy Consensus means that when you are convinced that you know what the community would like to see happen you can simply assume that you already have consensus and get on with the work. You don't have to insist people discuss and/or approve your plan, and you certainly don't need to call a vote to get approval. You just assume you have the communities support unless someone says otherwise. For controversial issues there is the 72 hours rule, but lazy consensus strictly speaking, does not depend on controversiality.The idea is that once we name someone committer, he/she is expected to have criteria to advance on his own, and although some mentorship may be optional we don't expect a committer to depend on others to review and approve.. What doesn't scale IMHO.. is that committers *have* to ask for review, at least it doesn't seem the Apache way to me. Pedro.
Re: commit after review vs lazy consensus (was Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation)
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: - Original Message - ... Who praised my axe? I recall *you* threatened to veto it :-P. Yes, I did. And I've learned from my error. So in this case I'd seek lazy consensus first ;-) And now that you bring back the issue, I still think the cat-B files have to be delete *before* graduation. Are there some still that you want to delete? Is anything stopping you? Is there a BZ issue for this? For the record: I said axe was a proper solution for the issue, I didn't offer to axe them myself. :) IMHO, opening a bugzilla for this issue is against the concept of lazy consensus: there is consensus that we want to graduate so we remove those files and if someone complains we consider alternatives. Lazy consensus is when you want to do something yourself but you think it might be controversial. If you think it is not controversial, and it is reversible (as almsot everything in SVN is) then JFDI. Wrong concept: Actually, is not wrong at all. I think you are confusing two different things: 1) *assuming* lazy consensus and 2) stating lazy consensus. When you JFDI you are assuming lazy consensus. When you state it and wait 72 hours you are being more careful, leaving more room for doubt. http://rave.apache.org/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html Lazy Consensus means that when you are convinced that you know what the community would like to see happen you can simply assume that you already have consensus and get on with the work. You don't have to insist people discuss and/or approve your plan, and you certainly don't need to call a vote to get approval. You just assume you have the communities support unless someone says otherwise. For controversial issues there is the 72 hours rule, but lazy consensus strictly speaking, does not depend on controversiality.The idea is that once we name someone committer, he/she is expected to have criteria to advance on his own, and although some mentorship may be optional we don't expect a committer to depend on others to review and approve.. What doesn't scale IMHO.. is that committers *have* to ask for review, at least it doesn't seem the Apache way to me. For items that you think may be controversial you *should* state lazy consensus and give 72 hours to object. Otherwise you risk wasting your time, since any committer can veto your commit. Better to know that up front than after the fact and be forced to revert your change. We know that this doesn't scale, since it can lead to week's of broken builds, as you know. I'm assuming you actually understand the above and are merely being argumentative. So I'll stop my co-enablement of this pointless discussion after this post. And btw, as a PMC member you might get into the practice of quoting this project's statement of this practice rather than hunting for it on unrelated websites: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html -Rob Pedro.
Consultants Directory: Update and Help Needed
So here's where we are with the consultants listing: 1) XLST script, data file, strings for en and it are checked in under ooo-site/content/bizdev/consultants 2) Announcement to ooo-dev/ooo-users/forums/twitter/google+/facebook (but not ooo-announce since that is almost all end-users) 3) Blog post 4) I also went through the legacy consultant listings and reviewed the websites of the English-speaking entities. Where one appeared to still be relevant I sent them an email and pointed them to the new listing instructions and invited them to submit a new listing. This was a judgement call, but generally if the website was still up and I found an explicit mention of OpenOffice services then I considered it relevant. But if it was just a generic IT services company with no mention of OpenOffice then I did not send an invite. Of course, nothing prevents them from submitting a listing, and if they do we review it like any other. 5) What we have so far is here: http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html Note, there are more coming. One was posted to the list today that I need to check in. And there are a few more were I was emailed that they were interested and would submit a listing. So areas where I could use help: 1) Reviewing the non-English legacy consultants for relevant ones who should be invited. German, French, Italian and Spanish volunteers are especially needed. If you can help I can send you a spreadsheet of the websites and an English version of my invitation note. Maybe 30 or so per language. 2 (less urgent) At some point we might enable the automatic generation of the HTML from the XML + XSLT. Since I don't speak Perl I'm going to need someone else to tackle this. Thanks! -Rob
Re: OpenOffice Developer Room (devroom) at FOSDEM
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 09/10/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: And indeed this happened today: FOSDEM organizers, who received an application from Apache OpenOffice and one from LibreOffice, asked whether we can share a devroom. Of course this was already in our proposal, so I said it would be OK for us. I was allowed to repost in public the complete text of their request. Here it is. No action needed, I already confirmed we would be available. --- OK. So we've said that we're happy to share a devroom. This is good. Are we still waiting to hear from LO? If we do share, what does that mean? We develop a joint-program of presentations? This isn't as bad as it sounds. Since Fosdem is more developer-oriented we might not to deal with marketing or similar presentations that would be interesting to only one project. Instead we could focus on technical topics, and many of these would be interesting to both projects. Would it be worth asking Calligra, Gnumeric and Abi as well? Or would they be focused on KDE/GNOME devrooms? -Rob Dear Andrea, Italo, Each of you have submitted a devroom request, for Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice respectively, to FOSDEM 2013. As you probably know, the number of rooms we have available at FOSDEM is small in comparison to the number of (good) requests we get. Each year, we get more requests than we have rooms available. We aim to host a large number of diverse projects, and to foster cross-collaboration. Hence, we are very reluctant to give a room to each of you separately, while we also do not want to choose only one either. So, we want to ask you whether you would consider hosting a shared devroom? Please discuss and let us know. If possible before Saturday, as we need to know for the final assignment. Kind regards, The devroom organizers PS. On the practical side, we can host a 'neutral' devroom mailinglist for talk submission and discussion on our server.
Re: Consultants Directory: Update and Help Needed
On 10/10/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So here's where we are with the consultants listing: 1) XLST script, data file, strings for en and it are checked in under ooo-site/content/bizdev/consultants 2) Announcement to ooo-dev/ooo-users/forums/twitter/google+/facebook (but not ooo-announce since that is almost all end-users) 3) Blog post 4) I also went through the legacy consultant listings and reviewed the websites of the English-speaking entities. Where one appeared to still be relevant I sent them an email and pointed them to the new listing instructions and invited them to submit a new listing. This was a judgement call, but generally if the website was still up and I found an explicit mention of OpenOffice services then I considered it relevant. But if it was just a generic IT services company with no mention of OpenOffice then I did not send an invite. Of course, nothing prevents them from submitting a listing, and if they do we review it like any other. 5) What we have so far is here: http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html Note, there are more coming. One was posted to the list today that I need to check in. And there are a few more were I was emailed that they were interested and would submit a listing. So areas where I could use help: 1) Reviewing the non-English legacy consultants for relevant ones who should be invited. German, French, Italian and Spanish volunteers are especially needed. If you can help I can send you a spreadsheet of the websites and an English version of my invitation note. Maybe 30 or so per language. 2 (less urgent) At some point we might enable the automatic generation of the HTML from the XML + XSLT. Since I don't speak Perl I'm going to need someone else to tackle this. I added strings_es.xml for spanish. Isn't this possible to do this in Python? I thought the server support it. Thanks! -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Proposed resolution: Establish the Apache OpenOffice Project
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.orgwrote: On 10/10/2012 Donald Harbison wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: The proposed resolution text follows. I expect to start a VOTE on it on general@incubator as soon as there is consensus (on the same list). Andrea, I believe we have established consensus here and encourage you to start the VOTE on general@incubator at your earliest convenience. Well, the consensus should be established there (i.e., at general@incubator), not here at ooo-dev, and we had no replies so far there. But considering that http://incubator.apache.org/** guides/graduation.htmlhttp://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.htmlshows that the vote can start the day after the preliminary message I sent, I've proceeded now and started the 72-hour vote on general@incubator. OK, good! We as Apache OpenOffice PPMC members do not have (in general) binding votes there, so there's no need to vote. And avoiding unnecessary and confusing votes is the reason for me not sending a copy here: you will be able to find the message at http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/incubator-** general/201210.mbox/browserhttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201210.mbox/browser as soon as the archives are updated. Regards, Andrea. You are right. We don't have voting rights on incubator, and should not do any voting there. Thanks for supplying the link. -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
In October 2006, Sir Tim Berners-Lee wrote a blog post in which he admitted that the attempt to move the web from HTML to XML just wasn’t working
Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
A more recent blog post written by Ed Dumbil also explain the raise and fall of XML as a whole. In the past few years, XML has been replaced with less verbosed formats such as JSON which is dominant in the use of data exchange over simple protocols like REST over thicker ones like SOAP. Here is a good related article about it http://eric.van-der-vlist.com/blog/2012/02/14/xml-the-ex-markup-language/ On 10/10/12, zhun guo mike5...@gmail.com wrote: In October 2006, Sir Tim Berners-Lee wrote a blog post in which he admitted that the attempt to move the web from HTML to XML just wasn’t working -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
[Call-for-Test] Detail information for issue 120927 is in the mail. Can anyone help me do FVT test? Thx.
Detail info of issue pls refer to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120927. and http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Writer/MSInteroperability/HyperLink . Issue: At present in OOO, Hyperlink information of Graphic with anchor type except “As Character” and frame can't be imported/exported from/to MS Word Binary File. For example, when you open a MS Word document that has a graphic with Square anchor type and URL in OOO, you will find the URL is lost. Feature description: 1. Now you can correctly read the hyperlink info(URL/File location/bookmark, target frame, name) of Graphic with anchor type except “As Character from MS Word Binary File and display correctly in OOO. 2. Now you can correctly read the hyperlink info(URL/File location/bookmark, target frame, name) of frame from MS Word Binary File and display correctly in OOO. 3. Now you can correctly save the hyperlink info(URL/File location/bookmark, target frame, name) of Graphic with anchor type except “As Character” into MS Word Binary File and display correctly in MS Word. 4. Now you can correctly save the hyperlink info(URL/File location/bookmark, target frame, name) of frame into MS Word Binary File and display correctly in MS Word. Thx.
[Call-for-Review]Bug 121176 - [From Symphony]extra data and more images are shown in the table
-- Hi~ I have a code review request. Is there anybody could help me to review this fix? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121176https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121178 Thanks * mailto: *aoo.zhaos...@gmail.com https://google.com/profiles https://google.com/profiles
Demonstrating Issues for Bug Reports
I had no idea there was this handy tool. It should help with demonstrations of problems in AOO: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HelpYourUsersRecordAndReportBugsWithTheProblemStepsRecorder.aspx - Dennis smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
KG01 - see comments inline On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, I went through top 180 ideas, and here is my summary till now: 1. OOXML has 12 ideas, and totally 989 + votes 2. Modern UI has 11 ideas, and totally 347 + votes 3. Loading performance has 4 ideas and got 310 + votes 4. MS binary format support has 4 ideas and 269 + votes 5. Toolbar/sidebar related ideas are 8, and 257 + votes 6. 2 ideas ask for patch/update, and got 253 + votes 7. Preference setting related ideas are 8 and 244 + votes 8. Copy/paste related ideas are 4 and 207 + votes 9. Install improvement related ideas are 4 and got 176 + votes 10. Mobile support ideas are 4 and got 171 + votes About 40 ideas are requiring new features, and got 1300 + votes 17 ideas are to improve user experience for various operations, and got 400 + votes 9 ideas are about social integration, and got 383 votes 13 asking for the enhancement of existing functions, and got 377 + votes It is difficult to categorize the ideas and count. I wonder if Kevin can define some criteria and we can pick up different areas to build up the report. KG01 - I'll take a look. You you have the info in a spreadsheet? Kevin - Simon 2012/10/2 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other period snapshots: - Facebook comments - Google+ comments - Twitter comments - Forum topics of interest - etc. Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference. Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the community and gather some data and insight. Perhaps a good way of doing this would be to use an existing social bookmarking service, one that also allows tagging, e.g., Diigo, Delicious, etc. That way those who are interested in collecting interesting posts from Google+, Twitter, or the web in general, could easily submit it and tag it. Most of these services have either browser plugin or bookmarklet support to make it easy. A folksonomy could develop to categorize links in various ways. Some services allow a discussion thread per link, or even page annotation features. -Rob Regards, Kevin On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community wiki. Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for specific topics. For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and perform some informal polling. I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session started. Thoughts? On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi Update: 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes Albino
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
2012/10/11 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com KG01 - see comments inline On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, I went through top 180 ideas, and here is my summary till now: 1. OOXML has 12 ideas, and totally 989 + votes 2. Modern UI has 11 ideas, and totally 347 + votes 3. Loading performance has 4 ideas and got 310 + votes 4. MS binary format support has 4 ideas and 269 + votes 5. Toolbar/sidebar related ideas are 8, and 257 + votes 6. 2 ideas ask for patch/update, and got 253 + votes 7. Preference setting related ideas are 8 and 244 + votes 8. Copy/paste related ideas are 4 and 207 + votes 9. Install improvement related ideas are 4 and got 176 + votes 10. Mobile support ideas are 4 and got 171 + votes About 40 ideas are requiring new features, and got 1300 + votes 17 ideas are to improve user experience for various operations, and got 400 + votes 9 ideas are about social integration, and got 383 votes 13 asking for the enhancement of existing functions, and got 377 + votes It is difficult to categorize the ideas and count. I wonder if Kevin can define some criteria and we can pick up different areas to build up the report. KG01 - I'll take a look. You you have the info in a spreadsheet? Kevin Kevin, Yes, I imported the data from CVS into a spreadsheet, with some of the tags I added when filtering the ideas. I will send it to you later today. Thanks! - Simon - Simon 2012/10/2 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: On the subject of snapshots, we should be mindful to also perform other period snapshots: - Facebook comments - Google+ comments - Twitter comments - Forum topics of interest - etc. Again, harvest and post to community wikis for reference. Managing the social data is Effort, but is a great way to engage the community and gather some data and insight. Perhaps a good way of doing this would be to use an existing social bookmarking service, one that also allows tagging, e.g., Diigo, Delicious, etc. That way those who are interested in collecting interesting posts from Google+, Twitter, or the web in general, could easily submit it and tag it. Most of these services have either browser plugin or bookmarklet support to make it easy. A folksonomy could develop to categorize links in various ways. Some services allow a discussion thread per link, or even page annotation features. -Rob Regards, Kevin On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed, let's close the session and capture the results in the community wiki. Moving forward, I like the idea of running targeted sessions for specific topics. For example, our next topic could ask people to share their usage scenarios for social integration. No wrong answers, just a way to get a sense of what everyone what to accomplish by social integration and perform some informal polling. I would volunteer to create a few examples to get the moderator session started. Thoughts? On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi Update: 1.099 people have submitted 894 ideas and cast 13.080 votes Albino
Re: Consultants Directory: Update and Help Needed
Hello Rob, From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] So areas where I could use help: 1) Reviewing the non-English legacy consultants for relevant ones who should be invited. German, French, Italian and Spanish volunteers are especially needed. If you can help I can send you a spreadsheet of the websites and an English version of my invitation note. Maybe 30 or so per language. I think I can help you with the german consultants. I already know most of the german consultants personally, for example, all on: http://www.frodev.org/dienstleister Greetings, Jörg
