Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
To avoid this deadly risk, the first design goal of XML should have been that existing valid HTML documents were well formed XML documents. The result might have been a more complex format and specification, but this risk to create a gap between XML and HTML communities would have been minimized. Another reason to explain this failure is that XML is about extensibility. This is both its main strength and weakness: extensibility comes at a price and XML is more complex than domain specific languages. Remove the need for extensibility and XML will always loose against DSLs, we’ve seen a number of examples in the past: - RELAX NG compact syntax - JSON - HTML - N3 - CSS - … Is it a time to refactor XML? Converge or convert?
RE: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
Hi! It is important to remember that XML was a disruption of SGML, not HTML. I don't understand your list, below. RELAX NG compact syntax and N3 are special purpose formats, not markup languages. CSS is also a special purpose format. And JSON too. They have particular values in special domains. (And some have representations in XML as well, for those who want to use the same markup and transport system.) If you are interested in simplifications of XML, you might take a look at the microXML initiative. It is also struggling with being more accommodating of HTML (which was inspired by SGML too, not XML). http://www.w3.org/community/microxml/ I still have questions about the problem your solutions are intended to solve [;) - Dennis -Original Message- From: zhun guo [mailto:mike5...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 23:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability To avoid this deadly risk, the first design goal of XML should have been that existing valid HTML documents were well formed XML documents. The result might have been a more complex format and specification, but this risk to create a gap between XML and HTML communities would have been minimized. Another reason to explain this failure is that XML is about extensibility. This is both its main strength and weakness: extensibility comes at a price and XML is more complex than domain specific languages. Remove the need for extensibility and XML will always loose against DSLs, we’ve seen a number of examples in the past: - RELAX NG compact syntax - JSON - HTML - N3 - CSS - … Is it a time to refactor XML? Converge or convert?
Ipad application
I have just bought an IPad and would like to load your word and spreadsheet software. Do you have software for the IPad or do I have to buy something? Love the software!!! Thanks Wayne Campbell
Re: Consultants Directory: Update and Help Needed
On 11/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote: So areas where I could use help: 1) Reviewing the non-English legacy consultants for relevant ones who should be invited. German, French, Italian and Spanish volunteers are especially needed. Just post a quick request in English to ooo-progetto-it: I'll moderate it through, adding a brief explanation, and we will surely find volunteers who can take care of this. Regards, Andrea.
How to subscribe..
Hi. can anyone give me a hint on how to subscribe to this mailing list. Empty mail does not seem to work nor does subscribe in the subject. I am just starting to work on a change in the translation process (coordinated on ooo-L10 list. rgds -- Jan Iversen Tel. no. +34 622 87 66 19 jandorte.wordpress.com
Re: How to subscribe..
Original Message From: jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:38:27 +0200 Hi. can anyone give me a hint on how to subscribe to this mailing list. Empty mail does not seem to work nor does subscribe in the subject. I am just starting to work on a change in the translation process (coordinated on ooo-L10 list. rgds Welcome to the project Jan. The following link provides the info you are looking for: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#development-mailing-list Regards Dave
Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: Also, there are some administrative steps that we'll need to take care of over the weekend, assuming the IPMC vote passes: 1) Sending a [VOTE][RESULTS] post to the IPMC list 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board list per these instructions: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#top-level-board-proposal This probably needs to happen on Saturday, shortly after the 72-hour PMC vote ends, if we are to get on the Board's agenda for Wednesday. I'm assuming Andrea will take care of this, or delegate to someone Exactly. Actually, both tasks are rather trivial, it will just need precise timing as others explained. But it won't be a problem for me to take care of it in about 24 hours. As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our mentors were asked if they perceived this as a problem, and we didn't get an answer from them so far. Hmmm I think there are several PMC members who are involved with other areas of Apache: 1) Don is involved with ConCom, as well as working with Sally on Press and Communications. 2) Others, like Oliver, Louis, etc., have been active in the ApacheCon planning. 3) Andrew, Juergen and Raphael have worked closely with Infra on many things. There may be others. 4) In general I think we're comfortable working with Trademarks and Legal Affairs on an ongoing basis. This includes raising questions and getting advice, but some, like Dennis, are active sharing what they have learned as well. 5) Dave is involved with POI. Don and Juergen are also on the PMC of the ODF Toolkit. I think Pedro said he was getting involved with a new BeanShell project proposal. 6) There was the work moving the SPI funds to Apache that involved coordinating with ASF Treasurer. So I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave is active in more than just the OO project. -Rob Regards, Andrea.
Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
- Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our mentors were asked if they perceived this as a problem, and we didn't get an answer from them so far. Hmmm I think there are several PMC members who are involved with other areas of Apache: 1) Don is involved with ConCom, as well as working with Sally on Press and Communications. 2) Others, like Oliver, Louis, etc., have been active in the ApacheCon planning. 3) Andrew, Juergen and Raphael have worked closely with Infra on many things. There may be others. 4) In general I think we're comfortable working with Trademarks and Legal Affairs on an ongoing basis. This includes raising questions and getting advice, but some, like Dennis, are active sharing what they have learned as well. 5) Dave is involved with POI. Don and Juergen are also on the PMC of the ODF Toolkit. I think Pedro said he was getting involved with a new BeanShell project proposal. 6) There was the work moving the SPI funds to Apache that involved coordinating with ASF Treasurer. So I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave is active in more than just the OO project. The above is all mostly unrelated. I do think we should have included some of our mentors in the PMC. This was a failure in the method we chose to determine the initial PMC: we chose based on project visibility/popularity and by their function our mentors have tried to remain with a low profile and intervene only when it was absolutely necessary. This is something relatively easy to fix though, let's hope it doesn't delay us too much. Pedro.
Re: Ipad application
Hi Wayne; I am not aware of anyone working with us on an iOS port. The IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer will work for read-only purposes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibm-lotus-symphony-viewer/id482597218?mt=8 And there's also RollApp: https://www.rollapp.com/OpenOffice cheers, Pedro. - Original Message - From: Wayne R. Campbell To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Ipad application I have just bought an IPad and would like to load your word and spreadsheet software. Do you have software for the IPad or do I have to buy something? Love the software!!! Thanks Wayne Campbell
[RESULT] Re: [VOTE] Recommend to the Board to establish the Apache OpenOffice Project
On 10/10/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: I'm hereby asking the IPMC to recommend the following resolution to the Board. Aim of the resolution is to establish the Apache OpenOffice Project as a Top Level Project. ... This vote will be open for 72 hours from now; only votes from the Incubator PMC are binding. The Vote started on 2012-10-10 has ended. Results: +1 Jukka Zitting (IPMC) +1 Chris Mattmann (IPMC) +1 Ross Gardler (IPMC) +1 Mark Struberg (IPMC) +1 Dave Fisher (IPMC) +1 Christian Grobmeier (IPMC) +1 Suresh Marru (IPMC) +1 Leif Hedstrom (IPMC) +1 Joe Schaefer (IPMC) +1 Yegor Kozlov (IPMC) +1 Shane Curcuru (IPMC) +1 Andrew Rist +1 Alexei Fedotov There were no other votes cast. Tally (IMPC): 11 +1 votes, no 0 votes, no -1 votes. The IPMC has approved the proposal to recommend the resolution to the Board. I'll now proceed and send an email to the Board asking to include the resolution in the agenda for the next Board meeting. Regards, Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC.
Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our mentors were asked if they perceived this as a problem, and we didn't get an answer from them so far. Hmmm I think there are several PMC members who are involved with other areas of Apache: 1) Don is involved with ConCom, as well as working with Sally on Press and Communications. Don's efforts are visible. 2) Others, like Oliver, Louis, etc., have been active in the ApacheCon planning. 3) Andrew, Juergen and Raphael have worked closely with Infra on many things. There may be others. imacat as well. All are visible. 4) In general I think we're comfortable working with Trademarks and Legal Affairs on an ongoing basis. This includes raising questions and getting advice, but some, like Dennis, are active sharing what they have learned as well. 5) Dave is involved with POI. I was the exception that Bertrand was aware of - we are both Mentors to Apache Flex and I'm the only Member on the PMC. Don and Juergen are also on the PMC of the ODF Toolkit. I am glad to see your recent attention to ODFToolkit where you are also a PPMC member. I think Pedro said he was getting involved with a new BeanShell project proposal. I haven't seen that in the Incubator yet. 6) There was the work moving the SPI funds to Apache that involved coordinating with ASF Treasurer. So I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave is active in more than just the OO project. The above is all mostly unrelated. I do think we should have included some of our mentors in the PMC. I agree. This was a failure in the method we chose to determine the initial PMC: we chose based on project visibility/popularity and by their function our mentors have tried to remain with a low profile and intervene only when it was absolutely necessary. There are several ways this may be fixed in no particular order or evaluation of likelihood. (A) The Board might add PMC members. (B) The new PMC might VOTE for new PMC members. (C) Some PMC members might be elected Apache Members at the next Members meeting. Only one of the above (B) is something that may be controlled by the PMC. This is something relatively easy to fix though, let's hope it doesn't delay us too much. I don't see a delay happening. Let's be patient for the next few days. Best Regards, Dave Pedro.
Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
On 13/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Rob Weir wrote: 1) Sending a [VOTE][RESULTS] post to the IPMC list 2) Sending the proposed resolution to the board list The 72 hours just expired and I've taken care of both steps. So everything to be done on our (PPMC) side is done. It's up to the Board now to accept our resolution in their agenda and to vote on it at their next meeting. So I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave is active in more than just the OO project. The observation was then clarified to the idea that we could keep more mentors on board. Anyway, no discussion sparked from it, so it's not delaying our graduation and it wasn't raised as a formal obstacle to graduation. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our mentors were asked if they perceived this as a problem, and we didn't get an answer from them so far. Hmmm I think there are several PMC members who are involved with other areas of Apache: 1) Don is involved with ConCom, as well as working with Sally on Press and Communications. 2) Others, like Oliver, Louis, etc., have been active in the ApacheCon planning. 3) Andrew, Juergen and Raphael have worked closely with Infra on many things. There may be others. 4) In general I think we're comfortable working with Trademarks and Legal Affairs on an ongoing basis. This includes raising questions and getting advice, but some, like Dennis, are active sharing what they have learned as well. 5) Dave is involved with POI. Don and Juergen are also on the PMC of the ODF Toolkit. I think Pedro said he was getting involved with a new BeanShell project proposal. 6) There was the work moving the SPI funds to Apache that involved coordinating with ASF Treasurer. So I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave is active in more than just the OO project. The above is all mostly unrelated. I do think we should have included some of our mentors in the PMC. This was a failure in the method we chose to determine the initial PMC: we chose based on project visibility/popularity and by their function our mentors have tried to remain with a low profile and intervene only when it was absolutely necessary. Once we graduate this role will be played by the ASF Board. They keep a low profile and intervene in projects only when absolutely necessary. This is something relatively easy to fix though, let's hope it doesn't delay us too much. Pedro.
Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ... As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our mentors were asked if they perceived this as a problem, and we didn't get an answer from them so far. Hmmm I think there are several PMC members who are involved with other areas of Apache: 1) Don is involved with ConCom, as well as working with Sally on Press and Communications. 2) Others, like Oliver, Louis, etc., have been active in the ApacheCon planning. 3) Andrew, Juergen and Raphael have worked closely with Infra on many things. There may be others. 4) In general I think we're comfortable working with Trademarks and Legal Affairs on an ongoing basis. This includes raising questions and getting advice, but some, like Dennis, are active sharing what they have learned as well. 5) Dave is involved with POI. Don and Juergen are also on the PMC of the ODF Toolkit. I think Pedro said he was getting involved with a new BeanShell project proposal. 6) There was the work moving the SPI funds to Apache that involved coordinating with ASF Treasurer. So I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave is active in more than just the OO project. The above is all mostly unrelated. I do think we should have included some of our mentors in the PMC. It never occurred to me that any of them would have necessarily been interested. It seemed curious to me that this should be pointed out actually, but I have no former experience in how initial PMCs are established. Maybe it was mostly a concern due to our size and the extent of our activities. We have the roles thread that Oliver started a while back that should be documented on the planning wiki, and see if we've forgotten anything, or want to document these activities more in depth. As for me, I'm happy to see that Dave Fisher is included, and I'm sure we can rely on him for advice, etc. This was a failure in the method we chose to determine the initial PMC: we chose based on project visibility/popularity and by their function our mentors have tried to remain with a low profile and intervene only when it was absolutely necessary. This is something relatively easy to fix though, let's hope it doesn't delay us too much. Pedro. -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: Ipad application
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Wayne; I am not aware of anyone working with us on an iOS port. The IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer will work for read-only purposes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibm-lotus-symphony-viewer/id482597218?mt=8 And there's also RollApp: https://www.rollapp.com/OpenOffice cheers, Pedro. This reminds me...do we want to add rollapp to the porting page? https://www.rollapp.com/OpenOffice - Original Message - From: Wayne R. Campbell To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Ipad application I have just bought an IPad and would like to load your word and spreadsheet software. Do you have software for the IPad or do I have to buy something? Love the software!!! Thanks Wayne Campbell -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Apache OO General Questions
Couple of questions: (Q) it was stated to me at one time that integrating changes between AOO and LO would not be overly complicated (bad memory, but maybe it was Tom Davis referencing the fact that Symphony was kept in sync with OOo). Are any changes integrated between AOO and LO (in either direction) at this time? I have been asked this question specifically (as it related to the code clean-up effort in LO), and I generally say I don't know, but I don't think so. (Q) AOO lists use addresses such as ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org and ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. Assuming that AOO is taken from incubator status, will incubator be dropped from the list names and will current subscribers be ported to the new list? -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Apache OO General Questions
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Couple of questions: (Q) it was stated to me at one time that integrating changes between AOO and LO would not be overly complicated (bad memory, but maybe it was Tom Davis referencing the fact that Symphony was kept in sync with OOo). Are any changes integrated between AOO and LO (in either direction) at this time? I have been asked this question specifically (as it related to the code clean-up effort in LO), and I generally say I don't know, but I don't think so. I've seen a couple of examples of: 1) A contributor contributing the same code (or similar code) to both AOO and LO. 2) LO taking a patch from AOO and integrating it into LO. I've also heard that LO is rebasing on AOO code in order to switch their license to MPLv3.. But I have not been able to figure out what this actually means and whether or not it involves source code. But it is probably safe to say that there is no widespread sharing of code between the two projects. I have hopes that this will change in the near future. -Rob (Q) AOO lists use addresses such as ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org and ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. Assuming that AOO is taken from incubator status, will incubator be dropped from the list names and will current subscribers be ported to the new list? The addresses will map like this: ooo-...@incubator.apache.org === x...@openoffice.apache.org There is a list of other migration tasks here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#transfer I don't know if it will be necessary to resubscribe or not. But even if the subscription information is preserved, subscribers who use filters and rules in their mail client will need to update them. We should probably start a wiki page for migration-related information, so we can keep project members and observers up to date. -Rob -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Apache OO General Questions
Hi Andrew, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak schrieb: Couple of questions: (Q) it was stated to me at one time that integrating changes between AOO and LO would not be overly complicated (bad memory, but maybe it was Tom Davis referencing the fact that Symphony was kept in sync with OOo). Such exchange is mainly a question of license. Currently form AOO to LO would be possible. But LO does not take changes, because (AFAIK) LO has not finished relicensing. From LO to AOO is currently only possible, of the author puts it under Apache License in addition. Are any changes integrated between AOO and LO (in either direction) at this time? The patch about line caps (from Armin and me) is still waiting to be integrated into LO. Other parts, which I have integrated, are not coming from AOO or LO but from OOo time. Technically both directions are possible. But some work is necessary because LO removed German comments, some variable names and types changed, some content moved to other files and the name of the debug macros were changed. I'm no professional developer, so there might exist some tricks to make applying a patch smoother than it was for me. I have been asked this question specifically (as it related to the code clean-up effort in LO), and I generally say I don't know, but I don't think so. (Q) AOO lists use addresses such as ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org and ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. Assuming that AOO is taken from incubator status, will incubator be dropped from the list names and will current subscribers be ported to the new list? I don't know. But the change will surely be announced loudly, so that you will not miss it :) Kind regards Regina
AOO UX - Getting involved
Hi! My name is Manuel del Valle. I'm from Argentina, and I'm a OO user/enthusiast. Most certainly, I'm not a C++ guru (not really sure I know what that means, now that I think about it), not even a C++ newbie, nor a rock Star. (:wink:) Somehow I managed to participate in Google Moderator brainstorming session (don't actually remember how I got there, though) about AOO 4.0 improvements and new features. Kevin Grignon answered some of the Graphical interface proposals encouraging us to join the UX team, and that's exactly what I'm trying to do: I read AOO UX wiki, and, in order to get involved, I subscribed to this mailing list and signed up in AOO's Confluence Wiki. I would like to get in touch with some of the UX people, in order to try to learn and participate, but don't really know how to. Is this mailing list the right place? Obviously, I'm not going to be able to code anything, so the developers list seems pretty far away from my possibilities, but I was hoping that I cuold be useful in some other way. Perhaps, sharing the point of view of a regular, non-techie user as regards AOO usability. Sorry if my English is not polite enough, or quite rough, I'm not a native speaker. That's all by now, I wait for some guidance on how to get involved. Thanks, Manuel
Re: AOO UX - Getting involved
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Manuel del Valle m...@outlook.com wrote: My name is Manuel del Valle. I'm from Argentina, and I'm a OO user/enthusiast. Welcome Manuel. We´re two, or should I say, somos dos. ;) I hope people in this list can guide you to the right place to get involved in the UX design effort.. And let me know if you or anyone else in the UX team needs a guinea pig to try out new UX design ideas... I´ve been using all sorts of GUIs since the mid-80s (GEOS on the C64 :), so by now I have developed quite a good idea of what ´works´ and ´doesn´t work´ for me, I usually find out quite quickly. Yet I´m not scared of trying something new (ie I hated Gnome 3.x at first, but once I understood the general idea of it, I quickly found the strenghts and little -fixable- shortcomings of its design). FC Buenos Aires, Argentina -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell
Re: Apache OO General Questions
Hi Andrew; - Original Message - ... Couple of questions: (Q) it was stated to me at one time that integrating changes between AOO and LO would not be overly complicated (bad memory, but maybe it was Tom Davis referencing the fact that Symphony was kept in sync with OOo). Are any changes integrated between AOO and LO (in either direction) at this time? I have been asked this question specifically (as it related to the code clean-up effort in LO), and I generally say I don't know, but I don't think so. Some of it has happened in both ways. I won't talk about the LO relicensing because I simply don't understand how it is supposed to work and ultimately I am not a lawyer. In the case of AOO. I have in my HD some code that authors have agreed to contribute. The code will remain uncommitted because: - In one case the code is big enough that I need a signed iCLA and while the author has agreed he hasn't really had time lately. - In another case the code is not big but I have requested the patches be submitted through bugzilla to keep a record of the contribution (private email is not trustable nowadays). In both cases I can wait: the code is not critical, just nice to have. I wish it were easier to contribute though: we cannot expect someone to go over the trouble of porting and testing their patches twice. This said, the latest versions of LO introduce bugs that I can't reproduce on AOO. AOO is very stable and we want to keep it that way. (Q) AOO lists use addresses such as ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org and ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. Assuming that AOO is taken from incubator status, will incubator be dropped from the list names and will current subscribers be ported to the new list? I would think so, yes. Pedro.
Re: Apache OO General Questions
On 10/13/2012 07:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: Couple of questions: (Q) it was stated to me at one time that integrating changes between AOO and LO would not be overly complicated (bad memory, but maybe it was Tom Davis referencing the fact that Symphony was kept in sync with OOo). Are any changes integrated between AOO and LO (in either direction) at this time? I have been asked this question specifically (as it related to the code clean-up effort in LO), and I generally say I don't know, but I don't think so. I've seen a couple of examples of: 1) A contributor contributing the same code (or similar code) to both AOO and LO. 2) LO taking a patch from AOO and integrating it into LO. I've also heard that LO is rebasing on AOO code in order to switch their license to MPLv3.. But I have not been able to figure out what this actually means and whether or not it involves source code. But it is probably safe to say that there is no widespread sharing of code between the two projects. I have hopes that this will change in the near future. Thanks Rob. I had seen no specific evidence that there was wide-spread sharing, but figured that I was perhaps sufficiently not in the know. -Rob (Q) AOO lists use addresses such as ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org and ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. Assuming that AOO is taken from incubator status, will incubator be dropped from the list names and will current subscribers be ported to the new list? The addresses will map like this: ooo-...@incubator.apache.org === x...@openoffice.apache.org There is a list of other migration tasks here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#transfer I don't know if it will be necessary to resubscribe or not. But even if the subscription information is preserved, subscribers who use filters and rules in their mail client will need to update them. We should probably start a wiki page for migration-related information, so we can keep project members and observers up to date. -Rob -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Apache OO General Questions
On 10/13/2012 07:20 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Andrew, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak schrieb: Couple of questions: (Q) it was stated to me at one time that integrating changes between AOO and LO would not be overly complicated (bad memory, but maybe it was Tom Davis referencing the fact that Symphony was kept in sync with OOo). Such exchange is mainly a question of license. Currently form AOO to LO would be possible. But LO does not take changes, because (AFAIK) LO has not finished relicensing. From LO to AOO is currently only possible, of the author puts it under Apache License in addition. Are any changes integrated between AOO and LO (in either direction) at this time? The patch about line caps (from Armin and me) is still waiting to be integrated into LO. Other parts, which I have integrated, are not coming from AOO or LO but from OOo time. Technically both directions are possible. But some work is necessary because LO removed German comments, some variable names and types changed, some content moved to other files and the name of the debug macros were changed. I'm no professional developer, so there might exist some tricks to make applying a patch smoother than it was for me. There have been wide-spread changes in the LO code, and I thought that it would be very difficult to keep things in sync. Some of those wide-spread changes would be useful in AOO. Had not even thought of the licensing issues (as mentioned by Pedro). I have been asked this question specifically (as it related to the code clean-up effort in LO), and I generally say I don't know, but I don't think so. (Q) AOO lists use addresses such as ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org and ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. Assuming that AOO is taken from incubator status, will incubator be dropped from the list names and will current subscribers be ported to the new list? I don't know. But the change will surely be announced loudly, so that you will not miss it :) Kind regards Regina -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Apache OO General Questions
On 10/13/2012 09:07 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi Andrew; - Original Message - ... Couple of questions: (Q) it was stated to me at one time that integrating changes between AOO and LO would not be overly complicated (bad memory, but maybe it was Tom Davis referencing the fact that Symphony was kept in sync with OOo). Are any changes integrated between AOO and LO (in either direction) at this time? I have been asked this question specifically (as it related to the code clean-up effort in LO), and I generally say I don't know, but I don't think so. Some of it has happened in both ways. I won't talk about the LO relicensing because I simply don't understand how it is supposed to work and ultimately I am not a lawyer. In the case of AOO. I have in my HD some code that authors have agreed to contribute. The code will remain uncommitted because: - In one case the code is big enough that I need a signed iCLA and while the author has agreed he hasn't really had time lately. - In another case the code is not big but I have requested the patches be submitted through bugzilla to keep a record of the contribution (private email is not trustable nowadays). In both cases I can wait: the code is not critical, just nice to have. I wish it were easier to contribute though: we cannot expect someone to go over the trouble of porting and testing their patches twice. This said, the latest versions of LO introduce bugs that I can't reproduce on AOO. AOO is very stable and we want to keep it that way. Had not even considered the License issue. (Q) AOO lists use addresses such as ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org and ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. Assuming that AOO is taken from incubator status, will incubator be dropped from the list names and will current subscribers be ported to the new list? I would think so, yes. Pedro. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: AOO UX - Getting involved
Althought it might not be current, you should checkout the UX wiki pages to get a sense of what was being discussed and the areas these project was taking. http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Ux On 10/13/12, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Manuel del Valle m...@outlook.com wrote: My name is Manuel del Valle. I'm from Argentina, and I'm a OO user/enthusiast. Welcome Manuel. We´re two, or should I say, somos dos. ;) I hope people in this list can guide you to the right place to get involved in the UX design effort.. And let me know if you or anyone else in the UX team needs a guinea pig to try out new UX design ideas... I´ve been using all sorts of GUIs since the mid-80s (GEOS on the C64 :), so by now I have developed quite a good idea of what ´works´ and ´doesn´t work´ for me, I usually find out quite quickly. Yet I´m not scared of trying something new (ie I hated Gnome 3.x at first, but once I understood the general idea of it, I quickly found the strenghts and little -fixable- shortcomings of its design). FC Buenos Aires, Argentina -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Ipad application
On 10/14/2012 12:06 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Wayne; I am not aware of anyone working with us on an iOS port. The IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer will work for read-only purposes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibm-lotus-symphony-viewer/id482597218?mt=8 And there's also RollApp: https://www.rollapp.com/OpenOffice cheers, Pedro. This reminds me...do we want to add rollapp to the porting page? https://www.rollapp.com/OpenOffice It's certainly considerable. Peter - Original Message - From: Wayne R. Campbell To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Ipad application I have just bought an IPad and would like to load your word and spreadsheet software. Do you have software for the IPad or do I have to buy something? Love the software!!! Thanks Wayne Campbell
