Re: [SOURCE]: code repo move after graduation
Rob Weir wrote on Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:24:29 -0400: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote: Question: If have made a svn co on the incubator version, will I have to do a new svn co on the new path, or will svn update (as usual) work ??? There is a command: svn switch that you will need to execute: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.6/svn.ref.svn.c.switch.html Hopefully someone will send out the specific command once the tree is moved. Assuming % svn info | grep URL URL: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/foo you'd run % svn switch ^/openoffice/foo This will also update to HEAD as part of the operation.
Re: Policy question: How to link to books about OpenOffice?
Shane Curcuru wrote on Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 10:04:47 -0400: places to directly order the book. So including an Amazon or BN link is fine if you want to do that. Note: it would not be a good idea to Maybe make it a rotating link? i.e., it points to each shop an equal portion of the time. (via js, or CMS rebuilds, or download.cgi, or..)
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made)
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Ross Gardler wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 15:51:04 +0100: On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? Click the link at the very bottom.
Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
Jim Jagielski wrote on Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:38:15 -0400: After this, please drop general@ On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: A signature does 2 things: 1. Ensures that no bits have been changed 2. That the bits come from a known (and trusted) entity. Almost. It doesn't guarantee trust. Sure it does. If something is signed by Bill or Ross, etc I trust that it came from them. Anything else is tangential to what a signature provides. A signature ties a file to a public key, and then trusted? is an attribute of the public key. Signatures do not provide trust by themselves (i.e., without some means to establish trust in the public keys).
Re: svn commit: r829379 - in /websites/production/ooo-site: cgi-bin/ content/
Jürgen Schmidt wrote on Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 14:38:34 +0200: On 8/20/12 10:02 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: @all: Sorry but IMHO this process failed. Just today evening (Hamburg time) someone has published again website changes. If we rely on a process that is so fragile, then IMHO we shouldn't do this. Because there will be always somebody: - who doesn't know this - who isn't aware of the consequences of her/his changes (do you all know that a change on a NL webpage will also publish everything else in staging?) - who hasn't seen a please don't publish the website until further notice mail (to be honest, I haven't seen a clear note that is forbidden at the moment, too) - etc. The other solution would be to completely not change anything (incl. no commits) to the website until the release is, e.g., 1 hour away which is also nothing I would like to see as it's not flexible enough. Are there other opinions/suggestions? The ideal would be if the CMS could have an option to lock publishing so that no-one publishes the site, not even by mistake. Sure someone from knows if this is possible or just an ideal, though impossible solution. or even a more fine grained publishing process by marking the files explicitly. I think of 2 mode, publish all or selected files only. That would be easy to implement (given a list of filenames you'd just svnmucc copy those files from staging/ to production/); check with Joe what he thinks of such a potential feature? Juergen
Re: svn commit: r829379 - in /websites/production/ooo-site: cgi-bin/ content/
sebb wrote on Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 16:04:12 +0100: On 21 August 2012 13:43, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote on Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 14:38:34 +0200: On 8/20/12 10:02 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: @all: Sorry but IMHO this process failed. Just today evening (Hamburg time) someone has published again website changes. If we rely on a process that is so fragile, then IMHO we shouldn't do this. Because there will be always somebody: - who doesn't know this - who isn't aware of the consequences of her/his changes (do you all know that a change on a NL webpage will also publish everything else in staging?) - who hasn't seen a please don't publish the website until further notice mail (to be honest, I haven't seen a clear note that is forbidden at the moment, too) - etc. The other solution would be to completely not change anything (incl. no commits) to the website until the release is, e.g., 1 hour away which is also nothing I would like to see as it's not flexible enough. Are there other opinions/suggestions? The ideal would be if the CMS could have an option to lock publishing so that no-one publishes the site, not even by mistake. Sure someone from knows if this is possible or just an ideal, though impossible solution. or even a more fine grained publishing process by marking the files explicitly. I think of 2 mode, publish all or selected files only. That would be easy to implement (given a list of filenames you'd just svnmucc copy those files from staging/ to production/); check with Joe what he thinks of such a potential feature? This may be obvious to all readers, but just in case: For this to be fool-proof, I think there would need to be some way to prevent anyone bypassing the selection. Why? Could very well have a publish all changes mode (the current only option) alongside the cherry picking (publish only selected file) mode. BTW Joe, the equivalent code in svn should be the commit harvester in the client. Juergen
Re: svn commit: r829379 - in /websites/production/ooo-site: cgi-bin/ content/
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote on Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 17:02:19 -0300: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: @all: Sorry but IMHO this process failed. Just today evening (Hamburg time) someone has published again website changes. If we rely on a process that is so fragile, then IMHO we shouldn't do this. Because there will be always somebody: - who doesn't know this - who isn't aware of the consequences of her/his changes (do you all know that a change on a NL webpage will also publish everything else in staging?) - who hasn't seen a please don't publish the website until further notice mail (to be honest, I haven't seen a clear note that is forbidden at the moment, too) - etc. The other solution would be to completely not change anything (incl. no commits) to the website until the release is, e.g., 1 hour away which is also nothing I would like to see as it's not flexible enough. Are there other opinions/suggestions? The ideal would be if the CMS could have an option to lock publishing so I think you can hackily achieve that right now by adding a nonexistent path to extpaths.txt (see cmsref for details on the latter). CC please that no-one publishes the site, not even by mistake. Sure someone from knows if this is possible or just an ideal, though impossible solution.
Re: Registration and Update Services - What Will Be The Load?
Rob Weir wrote on Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 13:11:43 -0400: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote on Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 16:32:21 +0200: Is it possible that somebody from the Apache Infrastructure can provide a view on which URL the traffic load was soo high that the servers got in trouble? POST requests to /ProductUpdateService/check.Update file For which subdomain, which UpdateXX.openoffice.org ? The access log doesn't say, and the error log has % fgrep /ProductUpdateService/check.Update error_log | sed -e 's#^.*/content/projects/##' | cut -d/ -f1 | sort | uniq -c EU: 232046 update30 35548 update34 76543 update35 US: 198996 update30 33450 update34 71117 update35 0 update36
Re: Crediting patches, bug reporters, etc.
Yue Helen wrote on Wed, May 30, 2012 at 15:02:25 +0800: Good suggestion to me! Others members could comment what else fields are needed. Tested by: We've used it a few times; I'm not sure the script looks for it. 2012/5/30 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org Patch by: Suggested by: Found by: Review by:
Re: AOO fails to compile with Subversion 1.7
Damjan Jovanovic wrote on Thu, May 10, 2012 at 02:27:50 +0200: Apparently the problem is that Subversion 1.7 gives different and unexpected output for svnversion . thus breaking the Python build (http://rpatterson.net/blog/building-python-with-subversion-1.7). It prints unversioned directory instead of exported. So you need another set of quotes: -DSVNVERSION=\`LC_ALL=C svnversion`\
Re: Mirroring both OOo and AOOo Fwd: [Daniel Shahaf: Opt-out from mirroring resource-intensive projects]
Pedro Giffuni wrote on Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:25:53 -0700: I don't think he suggested we force mirrors to carry old versions. I think Kay's (and Regina's) concern will be solved once 3.3.0 finds it's way into http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ And of course people can always choose to carry those older versions on their own if they want to. I assume that's the consensus then. Anyone mind if I tell mirror operators that they can stop carrying old OOo now? (despite archive.a.o not having being backfilled yet with 3.3.0)
Fwd: [Daniel Shahaf: Re: Opt-out from mirroring resource-intensive projects]
OOo PPMC: An Apache mirror operator asks how much traffic to expect AOOo downloads to cause, given that SF will be the primary avenue of downloading and Apache mirrors the secondary. Your input, please? (an estimate, or refuting the assumptions) Thanks -- Daniel ASF Infra - Forwarded message from Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org - From: Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org Subject: Re: Opt-out from mirroring resource-intensive projects To: [redacted] Cc: infrastruct...@apache.org Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:05:57 +0300 Message-ID: 20120420110557.GH2867@lp-shahaf.local I believe sourceforge will take most of the hit, but OpenOffice has sufficiently many users that even a small fraction who won't download via sourceforge might be noticeable. I can't quantify this into hard numbers; I'll ask the OpenOffice PPMC about this and get back to you. [redacted] wrote on Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:42:45 +0100: Thanks - One final question :) I am curious, should be still be expecting the 100-500 times increase in bandwidth that was predicted? On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: As I understand it, Apache OpenOffice's download pages would link to both sourceforge and to Apache mirrors, but would contain text recommending that downloaders try the sourceforge links first.
Mirroring both OOo and AOOo Fwd: [Daniel Shahaf: Opt-out from mirroring resource-intensive projects]
OOo PPMC: Several mirror operators have asked whether they are expected to carry both their preexisting/legacy OOo mirrors and the AOOo mirror. We're assuming the legacy OOo mirrors can be dropped once an AOOo release is Out There. If that's not the case, say so. Reminder: ASF's policy is that Apache mirrors may only carry the latest release from each minor line (1.5.x, 1.6.x, ...) which is still supported / developed by the community. Cheers, -- Apache Infrastructure - Forwarded message from Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org - From: Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org Subject: Opt-out from mirroring resource-intensive projects To: Apache Mirror Operators mirr...@apache.org Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:37:04 +0300 Reply-To: mirr...@apache.org Message-ID: 20120420093704.GA2976@lp-shahaf.local By popular demand, we have implemented an opt-out option: mirror operators that are unable to mirror Apache OpenOffice due to its disk or bandwidth requirements may do so by changing the rsync source from: rsync.apache.org::apache-dist to: rsync.apache.org::apache-dist-most http://www.apache.org/info/how-to-mirror has been updated to reflect this. Thanks as always for your continued support. Cheers, -- Daniel Shahaf Apache Infrastructure - End forwarded message -
Re: [WIKI] Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable)
TJ Frazier wrote on Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:22:37 -0400:
math\sum_{k=1}^N k^2/math
I confirm that changing the subscript value, s/k=1/k=2/, causes the
error indication. Other changes seem to work properly.
@Daniel or Raphael: can you check the error logs and installation?
Nothing in the error log. I don't see a texvc binary. Beyond that I'll
leave it to Raphael.
Raphael --- if you fix this yourself please document what you did in the
runbook.
Otherwise please ask on IRC or see that a jira gets filed.
Daniel
I'm not sure I believe the error message:
Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable; please see math/README to
configure.): \sum_{k=2}^N k^2
Re: AOO timeline of accomplishments
Rob Weir wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:35:44 -0400: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi 2012/3/10 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: A draft blog post using the timeline to make a point about our migration efforts: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=an_apache_openoffice_timeline Robert, i saw that a request of brazilian users list isn't present in your work. We did it in 2012/07/07, trought the request of Luiz Oliveira. Was the Brazilian list ever created? If so, what is the list address? I don't see anything listed here: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html In fact, I don't see any of the NL lists listed. It would be good if the list moderators could update that page to include their info. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ has a list of all of your public lists. How we are talking about L10N and Pootle questions, i think that the list is an important tool. Is possible add this point in your graphic? Regards, Claudio
Re: [RELEASE]: Where we are with the redirects to the new extension/template repos
drew wrote on Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 01:16:45 -0500: On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 16:08 -0800, Kay Schenk wrote: OK, extensions.openoffice.org AND templates.openoffice.org are now functioning -- i.e. redirecting to sourceforge.net. Howdy, Well, not just now they didn't. extensions.openoffice.org to me to http://www.openoffice.org/extensions/ (on the new server) and templates.openoffice.org takes me to http://openoffice.org/projects/templates/ (on the old kenai server) am I missing something or maybe I misunderstood. The DNS records ASF advertises are: extensions CNAME aoo-extensions.sf.net. templates CNAME aoo-templates.sf.net.
Re: [Bugzilla] search function doesn't work
lou ql wrote on Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 09:40:45 +0800: undef error - Cannot determine local time zone Fixed, thanks for the report. (mergemaster deleted /etc/localtime)
Re: Reminder: Not all list posts are from list subscribers
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 01:31:31PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote: Keep this in mind when you respond to questions posted on the list. Be sure to cc the poster on your response if they are not a list subscriber. Or, change the list configuration to not add a Reply-To header. You is welcome to scrutinize your mail headers with a hex editor if that is your thing. Or, if you've never seen the person's name You're either demonstrating ignorance or being insultive.
Re: Where to hold an event
Ross Gardler wrote on Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:47:11 +: Reply to this thread, or better still, submit your details to our people finder see http://community.apache.org/speakers/speakers.html That one doesn't have an option to show only people in a given PMC, though...
Re: Where to hold an event
Ross Gardler wrote on Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:47:59 +: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Ross Gardler wrote on Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:47:11 +: Reply to this thread, or better still, submit your details to our people finder see http://community.apache.org/speakers/speakers.html That one doesn't have an option to show only people in a given PMC, though... We don't care if someone is on a PMC or not, if they are a commiter that is enough. The underlying system is the same as theed people system (linked from the above page), which does capture project information. Yeah, but it isn't linked to the svn authz. And there's no way to limit the map to Committers on the %s TLP or Committers on the %s podling. Ross
Re: Where to hold an event
Ross Gardler wrote on Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 17:08:23 +: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 13, 2012 5:01 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Ross Gardler wrote on Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:47:59 +: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Ross Gardler wrote on Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 09:47:11 +: Reply to this thread, or better still, submit your details to our people finder see http://community.apache.org/speakers/speakers.html That one doesn't have an option to show only people in a given PMC, though... We don't care if someone is on a PMC or not, if they are a commiter that is enough. The underlying system is the same as theed people system (linked from the above page), which does capture project information. Yeah, but it isn't linked to the svn authz. We like the trust model. What trust has to do with it? The source data is in private svn, and my point was that it doesn't automatically update people's associations as they are granted karma And there's no way to limit the map to Committers on the %s TLP or Committers on the %s podling. Yet Ross
Re: UI text not translated
Bugzilla has a knob (in Preferences, I think) to disable the intentional typoes. Judy Jones wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 23:41:52 +1100: Hi Rob and Ulrich. Thanks for the explanations. I still think it is a very user-unfriendly design decision. Users [and possibly even developers] should not have to be aware of such documented humor. Nevertheless, I'll drop the issue since it seems well-ingrained. Regards, Peter [for Judy Jones] - Original Message 1 - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Judy Jones judy.jo...@pcug.org.au Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:22 AM Subject: Re: UI text not translated On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Rob, For our BZ admins. Not a bug, but an attempt at humor by the Bugzilla developers. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarro_boogs -Rob Regards, Dave Begin forwarded message: From: Judy Jones judy.jo...@pcug.org.au Date: January 27, 2012 9:52:48 PM PST To: bugzilla-ad...@apache.org Subject: UI text not translated Hi from Australia When I did a search on cwij, the resulting page https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__open__product=qacontent=cwijcontained Zarro Boogs found. I presume that should be Zero Bugs found. Regards, Peter [for Judy Jones] - Original Message 2 - From: Ulrich Stärk u...@apache.org To: Judy Jones judy.jo...@pcug.org.au Cc: bugzilla-ad...@apache.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:47 AM Subject: Re: UI text not translated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugzilla#Design
Re: Apache list archive issues must be fixed soon
(CC please on replies) Infra has already looked into upgrading to mod_mbox trunk@HEAD. The upgrade was attempted, reverted due to causing silent breakage, and is on the queue for being re-attempted. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012, at 14:37, Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi Dave, Thanks. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:11 AM, Kazunari Hirano wrote: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-general-ja/201112.mbox/thread?0 the list archive is unreadable.
Re: [WWW] publish.pl question
Kay Schenk wrote on Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 09:13:41 -0800: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.namewrote: Kay Schenk wrote on Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 15:15:53 -0800: OK, I'm looking at the publish.pl script and wonder if it can indeed be used to just publish a single page or area rather than the WHOLE site by supplying some appropriate escaping... If you'd like to look into changing the build process you need to look at the backend and at the Web UI --- publish.pl is a thin wrapper. hmmm...OK. I will investigate when I get time. From previous communication, it seems we are encouraged to use publish.pl (CLI) and not the web interface for large scale publishing. publish.pl does exactly what your browser does but requests a JSON response, rather than HTML, and so the unidiff doesn't get syntax highlighted. The basic publish process is to GET /ooo/publish and then to POST back to it with a log message and a token received at the GET. If you want to add a feature to publishing, you need to extend the server-side GET and/or POST handlers and to teach the Web UI or publish.pl to utilize the extension. I'm trying to solve problems with the publishing of the ooo-site since it's so large. -- MzK You will always be lucky if you know how to make friends with strange cats. -- *Colonial American proverb*
Re: [WWW] publish.pl question
Kay Schenk wrote on Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 15:15:53 -0800: OK, I'm looking at the publish.pl script and wonder if it can indeed be used to just publish a single page or area rather than the WHOLE site by supplying some appropriate escaping... If you'd like to look into changing the build process you need to look at the backend and at the Web UI --- publish.pl is a thin wrapper.
Re: suggested CMS workflows for ooo-site
Joe Schaefer wrote on Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:52:39 -0800: - Original Message - From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: suggested CMS workflows for ooo-site On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Also Dave get in the habit of checking buildbot for the build status of sledgehammer commits instead of waiting for svnmailer to figure out what to do with the massive diff it's trying to make sense of. The url is http://ci.apache.org/builders/ooo-site-site-staging I do do that, but tend to wait for the email anyway. If there is no reason to wait that will save time. Buildbot performs the commit back as the final step in the build, so if buildbot thinks the build has completed successfully, you do not need to wait for svnmailer to send out a notice to that effect. My experience is that the turnaround between sledgehammer commits and eventual publication is about 1 hour: ~20 min for each step along the way, all because of svn committing or merging Instead of: % cd production-wc % svn merge $URL/to/staging can you: % svnmucc -mm rm $URL/to/production cp $somerev $URL/to/staging $URL/to/production huge volumes of data.
Re: suggested CMS workflows for ooo-site
Joe Schaefer wrote on Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 16:55:02 -0800: - Original Message - From: Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name To: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; infrastruct...@apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 6:57 PM Subject: Re: suggested CMS workflows for ooo-site Joe Schaefer wrote on Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:52:39 -0800: - Original Message - From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: Re: suggested CMS workflows for ooo-site On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Also Dave get in the habit of checking buildbot for the build status of sledgehammer commits instead of waiting for svnmailer to figure out what to do with the massive diff it's trying to make sense of. The url is http://ci.apache.org/builders/ooo-site-site-staging I do do that, but tend to wait for the email anyway. If there is no reason to wait that will save time. Buildbot performs the commit back as the final step in the build, so if buildbot thinks the build has completed successfully, you do not need to wait for svnmailer to send out a notice to that effect. My experience is that the turnaround between sledgehammer commits and eventual publication is about 1 hour: ~20 min for each step along the way, all because of svn committing or merging Instead of: % cd production-wc % svn merge $URL/to/staging can you: % svnmucc -mm rm $URL/to/production cp $somerev $URL/to/staging $URL/to/production Not too fond of that approach as we'd lose the history of the production tree in the process. Not every change to staging winds up being promoted. No we won't. Just run 'svn log -qv' on the parent of the production tree. There is an alternative approach that I am reluctant to mention but might be the best solution for everyone: to use SSI as part of your templating system. The downside is that it adds a bit of conceptual complexity to the CMS as well as to people doing local builds as they will now need an SSI-enabled server to inspect their build results. The upside is that sledgehammer commits would be a thing of the past as the Django templates would rarely need to be altered directly. You'd just be altering individual files in content/ containing (markdown-converted) html fragments that the server would dynamically include into every page based on the SSI calls in the Django templates. FWIW, Subverison uses that. http://subversion.apache.org/ http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/site/publish/
Re: Too many lists
Shane Curcuru wrote on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 09:15:02 -0500: A side note: On 2011-12-14 11:33 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: ...snip... the ooo-dev@i.a.o is one of the moast active ML at the whole Apche project. For those interested in activity statistics: http://pulse.apache.org/#statistics ooo-dev@ is clearly in the top 5 most active lists at the ASF recently. Recently? Check the last updated timestamp on that page.
Re: Handling and Reporting CVEs (was RE: Proposal: ooo-announce list)
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:21:33 -0800: Well, the Apache practice is clear. Putting a CVE number in a patch is probably not the way to execute on that practice, but that is not an Apache patch you are looking at. Red Hat also has a very large list of CVEs that you can find in their issue tracker and elsewhere. I am not clear when and how those show up and I don't know what it means when such an issue is shown as unresolved, either. LibreOffice might want to take a page from the time-tested ASF Security procedures with regard to avoiding premature disclosure, etc. Having said that, we are all learning on the job with regard to security issues surrounding the OpenOffice.org family. As the product becomes a more-profitable target for culprits, I am certain that there will be more to learn. - Dennis PS: It might be nice to have a single public place to discuss just these practices across the family without deflecting the reporting lists from their focused purpose with regard to receiving and assessing vulnerability and exploit reports. Although I think one would be useful to have, there does not seem to be much interest on the part of the various security teams. If you want to have an Apache-wide discussion about how to handle CVE's I'm sure there's an existing list appropriate for that. -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@openoffice.org] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 07:14 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: ooo-announce list On 11/12/2011 Rob Weir wrote: Tthe practice is to check in such fixes without making it evident to the observer that it is security-related. So don't expect SVN comments to give it away. Like this? http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=cf5d0e20f2ba5a71f9ca2ed78a1b24841c97bb06 I know the example is from LibreOffice (even though the bug might be shared with OpenOffice.org or Apache OpenOffice) but I just happened to spot it and it doesn't seem particularly hidden... Such a policy would have to apply to all related projects (again, I totally don't know if this bug is related to Apache OpenOffice too, I'm just discussing the issue in general). Regards, Andrea.
Re: Extensions and templates
Ross Gardler wrote on Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 08:53:13 +: This is a public list so I want to state loudly, and clearly, that the ASF has been and remains very happy with the facilities provided by OSUOSL over many years. +1
Re: Extensions and templates
Gavin McDonald wrote on Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 09:50:33 +1000: Help welcomed at any step of the way.
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Trademark and Brand
On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:03 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; tradema...@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Trademark and Brand [...] Finally, I've seen other podlings call for a vote on general.i.a.o for a podling name change, e.g., HMS to Ambari. Is this required? Not unless it is documented somewhere on the incubator site. A courtesy notice to general@ would be a good idea.
Re: oooforum.org
On Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:18 PM, Pavel Janík pa...@janik.cz wrote: I am wondering why we care on oooforum.org here when we have nothing to do with it? We care about the good name of OpenOffice.org? Agreed, OOo ecosystem health is on-topic here.
Re: oooforum.org
On Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:30 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. If something, we need to ask oooforum admin to write The *non official* openoffice.org forum on the site header. Feel free to follow up on trademarks@ cc ooo-private@
Re: Source Code Sponsor of OOo
Thomas Horn wrote on Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 18:44:45 +0100: Hi all, I've read on http://teamopenoffice.org/en/become-a-partner.html that you could become a Source Code Sponsor with your named displayed in OpenOffice.org 3.4 by paying EUR 5000. Do you really thinks that this is a good idea? I think that will lower the neutrality of the Apache Foundation as I before wasn't under the impression that you could buy yourself into Apache software. You can't. The only ASF-permitted pay us and your name will be displayed is http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks
Re: Getting permission to use OpenOffice Trademarks (draft)
On Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:27 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Quite possibly. This is the first ASF project that, as far as I am aware, has seen a need for explicit fundraising activities. Once this PPMC feels comfortable with a proposal for this activity then trademarks and fundraising@ will consider it. If approved I dare say trademarks will try to generalize for the policy document.
Re: EXPUNGE MY EMAIL ADDRESS
done neddam...@comcast.net wrote on Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:21:01 +: I have tried 3 times to get my email removed by sending a message to the autodelete mailbox. Please rmove mine also. neddam...@comcast.net. - Original Message - From: Emanuel Winocur 2alw...@cox.net To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 1:02:13 PM Subject: EXPUNGE MY EMAIL ADDRESS Dear Friends, I am overwhelmed with the quantity of emails send to me by many members. I not longer can deal with this!~! PLEASE DELETE ME FROM THE LIST OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION'S. Emanuel M. Winocur 2alw...@cox.net - Original Message - From: André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Hunspell dictionaries are not just words lists (+ other matters) Hi Rob, Am 07.11.2011 16:51, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Andre Schnabelandre.schna...@gmx.net wrote: The jurisdiction of the creator only matters in the case of local infringement or in the context of international treaties. And I don't believe any treaties have recognized sui generis IP rights for collections of facts, i.e., databases. It has been discussed but there is no agreement. See the WIPO statement on this: http://www.wipo.int/copyright/en/activities/databases.html This is not a statement on IP rights for databases - it is a statement on IP rights for *Non-Original Databases* . We obviously disagree on this part of the text: The originality requirement that a database must constitute an intellectual creation by reason of the selection or arrangement of its contents in order to enjoy copyright protection means that some databases are not protected ... So obviously some databases actually are protected. Of course - if you think, that a dictionary is just a mere collection of words you would obviously come to the conclusion that this is no intellectual creation. btw ... if IBM does have dictionaries available, why don't you just publish those, if there is no copyright protection in place? Doing so would end this discussion very quickly andwould be a great contribution to the project. regards, André
Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Trademark and Brand
That's the tally. What's the result? Donald Harbison wrote on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 20:21:19 -0500: Ballot: *http://s.apache.org/SXM* Voting is now closed. * http://s.apache.org/SXM**PPMC BALLOT RESULT* 14 TOTAL (a) Apache OpenOffice.org: 40.00% 20 TOTAL (b) Apache OpenOffice: 57.14% 1 TOTAL (c) Apache Open Office: 2.86% 35 TOTAL PPMC VOTES +++ *OVERALL BALLOT RESULTS* 30 TOTAL (a) Apache OpenOffice.org : 43.48% 38 TOTAL (b) Apache OpenOffice : 55.07% 1 TOTAL (c) Apache Open Office : 1.45% 0 TOTAL d : 0.00% 69 TOTAL VOTES
Re: Problem showing on main ASF page
Would have been useful if you noted the date/time you saw the site, the revision of ^/infrastructure/trunk/site at the time, or took a screenshot. The site regenerates hourly. Anyway, the subject line contains a ™ character, which had gotten encoded, was not decoded by mod_mbox (aka mail-archives.apache.org the software behind), and the CMS stuff just took it literally. I suggest you follow up with the mod_mbox developers (http://httpd.apache.org/mod_mbox/) about the mod_mbox bug. I'll follow up with press@ to advise them not to use UTF-8 in subjects until the bug is fixed. Thanks for the report. t...@apache.org wrote on Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 16:14:17 -0500: http://www.apache.org/ is showing a garbled announcement for the Tika project. The top version is fine, but another, further down (just above the Tomcat CVE), is trashed. In particular, the date line shows garbles where em-dashes should be. (Not to mention the headline.) I have seen similar garbles on the web pages of the AOOo podling. I have looked at the SVN content of one of these, using the view link provided by the commit notice, and the content itself looks okay, although the commit notice shows the garbles. The problem is with UTF-8 translation somewhere. Using the UTF-8 rules for multi-byte encoding, the garbles decode into the expected characters. If I knew enough to file an issue, I would. --/tj/ == scraped off the web page: =?utf-8?B?VGhlIEFwYWNoZSBTb2Z0d2FyZSBGb3VuZGF0aW9uIEFubm91bmNlcyBBcGFj?= =?utf-8?B?aGUgVGlrYeKEoiB2MS4wIA==?= [this announcement is also available online at http://s.apache.org/N0I] Standards-based, Content and Metadata Detection and Analysis Toolkit Powers Large-scale, Multi-lingual, Multi-format Repositories at Adobe, the Internet Archive, NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and more. 9 November 2011 âFOREST HILL, MDâ The Apache Software Foundation (ASF), the all-volunteer developers, stewards, and incubators of... [SECURITY] CVE-2011-3376 Apache Tomcat - Privilege Escalation via Manager app
Re: Problem showing on main ASF page
On Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:11 PM, t...@apache.org t...@apache.org wrote: Daniel, On 11/13/2011 15:32, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Would have been useful if you noted the date/time you saw the site, the revision of ^/infrastructure/trunk/site at the time, or took a screenshot. The site regenerates hourly. You may assume from the date line on my email that the problem was occurring then. Actually, the problem is still visible *now*. The security item has moved off the bottom of the list, but the pied item is still visible as the last item. I have no idea how to find the revision level; I have no SVN fu. Go to https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/production/www and note the revnum at the end of the page. Screenshots I can do. I will attach them (and a copy of the whole page) for the benefit of the mbox developers. (If anybody else has a use for them, just ask.) But they (and the subject line) are only part of the problem. Anyway, the subject line contains a ™ character, which had gotten encoded, was not decoded by mod_mbox (aka mail-archives.apache.org the software behind), and the CMS stuff just took it literally. Please note the garbled em-dashes in the announcement date line. I have seen very similar garbles where mbox is not at all involved. I suggest that there is another problem, elsewhere. Can't reproduce. The ™ in the subject link and the em dashes in the body display fine here. I suggest you follow up with the mod_mbox developers (http://httpd.apache.org/mod_mbox/) about the mod_mbox bug. Will do. (Well, will try.) Good luck I'll follow up with press@ to advise them not to use UTF-8 in subjects until the bug is fixed. Thanks for the report. Welcome. It's very frustrating to still have the system programmer's eye for things out of place, but not have the hands (tools and fu) to fix them myself. --/tj/ I'm sure mod_mbox devs would appreciate extra eyes/hands on the bugfix. t...@apache.org wrote on Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 16:14:17 -0500: http://www.apache.org/ is showing a garbled announcement for the Tika project. The top version is fine, but another, further down (just above the Tomcat CVE), is trashed. In particular, the date line shows garbles where em-dashes should be. (Not to mention the headline.) I have seen similar garbles on the web pages of the AOOo podling. I have looked at the SVN content of one of these, using the view link provided by the commit notice, and the content itself looks okay, although the commit notice shows the garbles. The problem is with UTF-8 translation somewhere. Using the UTF-8 rules for multi-byte encoding, the garbles decode into the expected characters. If I knew enough to file an issue, I would. --/tj/ == scraped off the web page: =?utf-8?B?VGhlIEFwYWNoZSBTb2Z0d2FyZSBGb3VuZGF0aW9uIEFubm91bmNlcyBBcGFj?= =?utf-8?B?aGUgVGlrYeKEoiB2MS4wIA==?= [this announcement is also available online at http://s.apache.org/N0I] Standards-based, Content and Metadata Detection and Analysis Toolkit Powers Large-scale, Multi-lingual, Multi-format Repositories at Adobe, the Internet Archive, NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and more. 9 November 2011 âFOREST HILL, MDâ The Apache Software Foundation (ASF), the all-volunteer developers, stewards, and incubators of... [SECURITY] CVE-2011-3376 Apache Tomcat - Privilege Escalation via Manager app
Re: Do recent bugs filed against Libre 3.4 need to be refiled with apache tracker?
Rob Weir wrote on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 12:49:56 -0500: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello David; If you find a bug in OpenOffice.org file it directly on Apache's bugzilla. Duplicate bug reports are fine, they really are. So far I am the only one in the business of actually committing fixes to issues, so trust me and ignore completely what Rob suggested. I will act with extreme prejudice ignoring any bug report linked to libreoffice on the principle that such contributions or the resulting followups are not made under a compatible license. I won't even look at them. Do you really think the facts expressed in a bug report are covered by a license? I'm not talking about patches, but the facts of Do X, Y and Z and Calc crashes?. If you think that, then I think you are mistaken. I wonder if there's a room for shared bug tracking --- i.e., people enter a bug once, and then the fix is tracked N times, once for every set of incompatible licenses the fix is developed under. (initially N=2)
Re: Moved over the old OOo archive
Raphael Bircher wrote on Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 06:20:16 +0100: Hi at all I just moved the old OOo archive to the Apache archive server. After talkback with the infra team, I find out that it's allowed to have old releases in the apache archive, even the builds are LGPLed. Subversion has done the same to. No. Subversion uploaded its source tarballs, which were under a modified ALv1.1. We did not uploade -deps tarballs (which included LGPL'd neon).
Re: [DISCUSS] replace neon with libwww (preferred) or libcurl (as 2. choice)
Haven't read the thread, but: Subversion can use the serf library (Apache Licensed) instead of neon.
Re: Shutdown of the download.services.openoffice.org host and its Mirrorbrain instance
Donald Whytock wrote on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 18:53:05 -0400: I didn't see anything about P2P at http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi. Does anyone know if ASF has any capability for this? Not to my knowledge.
Re: [REVIEW] Staged Migration of OO.o domain properties (long)
Alexandro Colorado wrote on Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 21:19:46 -0500: In other words, a name like .net would never be possible under apache because they have a strict policy of matching a brand with the domain name. That's both false and shows a rather severe (and insulting) misunderstanding.
{most}.services.o.o are going away Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
Seems to me this is too important to get buried in this thread... Andrew Rist wrote on Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 15:45:30 -0700: -- snipped -- My guess here is that it is highly unlikely that lists of users or the forwarding map will be made available. The best approach for contacting these users is to send messages to the various ML. Also, there is no imminent shutdown of the ML infrastructure or any of the other infrastructure hosted on Kenai (including the hg svn). The hosting for the forums and wiki is going away, and we need to look at doing the cut-over. Thanks for the clarification. It really helps. Are there other services that will go away when the forums and mediawiki do? Regards, Dave ...and, what's the drop-dead date for these? We should not expect them to be available after next Friday actually I guess anything at .services.openoffice.org yes - with the caveat that this does not effect hg.services.o.o or svn.services.o.o Andrew snip -- Oracle Email Signature Logo Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect Oracle Corporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847
Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap
Shane Curcuru wrote on Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 08:35:57 -0400: However, there is a somewhat related precedent in the Apache Subversion project, which shipped code as a podling under it's previous license before creating a fully ASF blessed release. As a widely used and mature project before it came to the ASF, it made sense to allow the podling to create a bridge release under similar but not identical Apache policies, before they graduated and began producing releases under all Apache policies. Note that this is only somewhat related, because previous Subversion builds used an earlier Apache license or similar, and not GPL style licenses. So I'm not sure the precedent will apply, but it's something we could consider asking if the PPMC is interested in pursuing this. Subversion shipped those releases at its pre-Apache home. If you're proposing that OOo ship non-Apache releases for an interim period, where would they be hosted?
Re: [PROPOSAL] Juergen Schmidt for ooo-security list member
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:57:24 -0400: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: 2. You don't need to enter a jira issue to subscribe someone to that list I thought only list moderators could subscribe/unsubscribe others? @40004e9e10c6265e1afc info msg 8304: bytes 1083 from robw...@apache.org qp 29154 uid 99 @40004e9e10c6266045ac starting delivery 21150752: msg 8304 to local apmail-incubator-ooo-security-subscribe-jogischmidt=googlemail@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Juergen Schmidt for ooo-security list member
Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 00:36:19 +0100: On 19 October 2011 00:27, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: 1. This shouldn't be on ooo-dev@ Why not? Why are committer votes not done on a dev list?
Re: [VOTE] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 18:34:46 -0400: Don't lecture me on voting, Gavin. Read the the Apache Voting Process [1], the section on Implications of Voting, with my emphasis: You are being incredibly rude, and also incredibly out of line to teach ASF Members (for the second time in a day) how voting works.
Re: [PROPOSAL] Juergen Schmidt for ooo-security list member
1. This shouldn't be on ooo-dev@ 2. You don't need to enter a jira issue to subscribe someone to that list 3. You know both of the above facts very well, so what on earth caused you to start this thread here and claim that you need to file a jira to subscribe Jürgen to ooo-security@? Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 19:05:29 -0400: ooo-security is the project's private list for receiving and resolving security vulnerability reports. Juergen has volunteered to participate on that list, joining Dennis, Malte, Wolf and myself. If there are no objections raised within 72 hours I'll enter a JIRA issue to get him added. -Rob
Re: Legacy OOo SVN
Rob Weir wrote on Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 15:33:36 -0400: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: --- On Sun, 10/16/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... The sync has died. Stuck on this error: :( The next revision has a huge memo, over 1MB long: svn log -r 49548 http://svn.services.openoffice.org/ooo/ I wonder if that is the problem. I can't fix this on my end, at least not that I can see. I need someone who can change the memo for revision 49548 in the legacy SVN. I think the dump is editable, I read so in the SVN handbook. I don't have a dump. I was doing an svnsync directly from legacy SVN (read-only to me) to the Google Code repository. The other approach is to do this in two steps: mirror locally, and then svnsync that to Google. That would give more flexibility, since I can correct any issues like this on my local repository. svnrdump dump -r 49548 $SOURCE_REPOS 1 ed 1 svnrdump load $TARGET_REPOS 1 svn pl --revprop -r0 $TARGET_REPOS [ edit the svn:sync-* revprops ] I like this idiom :-)
Re: Legacy OOo SVN
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 21:39:12 +0200: svnrdump dump -r 49548 $SOURCE_REPOS 1 ed 1 svnrdump load $TARGET_REPOS 1 svn pl --revprop -r0 $TARGET_REPOS [ edit the svn:sync-* revprops ] I like this idiom :-) svnrdump is available in Subversion 1.7 and newer.
Re: Legacy OOo SVN
Rob Weir wrote on Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 18:34:33 -0400: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Daniel Shahaf wrote on Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 21:39:12 +0200: svnrdump dump -r 49548 $SOURCE_REPOS 1 ed 1 svnrdump load $TARGET_REPOS 1 svn pl --revprop -r0 $TARGET_REPOS [ edit the svn:sync-* revprops ] I like this idiom :-) svnrdump is available in Subversion 1.7 and newer. Cool, remote dumps. Is a 1.7 client sufficient, 1.7 client, 1.4/1.5 source server, 1.0(?) target server. http://subversion.apache.org/docs/release-notes/1.7 (Ignore the stuff about race conditions, it doesn't apply in your use case)
Re: [DISCUSS] When Is a PPMC Invitee a PPMC Member?
Are you actually going to run into a situation where a person gains or loses their PPMC Member bit _while_ a [VOTE] is undergoing, _and_ that person's vote determines whether the [VOTE] passes or fails? Carl Marcum wrote on Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 16:02:41 -0400: On 10/15/2011 02:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I am initiating a lazy consensus with regard to when someone is recognized as being a PPMC member. Recognition as a PPMC member applies both for being listed on the Podling Status roster and for eligibility to cast a binding vote on any podling ballot. The discussion will last until midnight Tuesday, 2011-10-18T24:00Z. PROPOSAL: No one is established as a PPMC member unless they have an invitation to the PPMC and they are subscribed to ooo-private@ incubator.apache.org. No one who has not established themselves at the PPMC before a vote commences (on ooo-private or on ooo-dev) is not counted as casting a binding PPMC-member vote on that ballot. +1 having to be established as PPMC prior to the vote commencing. Carl
Re: Hosting OpenGrok?
Jürgen Schmidt wrote on Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 22:39:56 +0200: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.namewrote: Someone asked this a couple of weeks ago, IIRC the answer was (a) need to evaluate this, (b) viewvc (which is already installed) has a search feature, whether it would be sufficient. yes, that was me who asked on the infra structure mailing list and i will come back to the evaluation. But after the first look i tend to evaluate opengrok in a zone, vm or whatever on the Apache infra structure. From a developers perspective opengrok is an absolutely necessary tool that we need. Have you seen Gavin's reply saying that fisheye is available? Does that change your opinion? Juergen Rob Weir wrote on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 18:58:27 -0400: The legacy OpenOffice.org project had an instance [1] of a source code searching, cross reference application called OpenGrok[2]. It is very useful, especially in a 6 million LOC project like OOo. Have we ever used OpenGrok at Apache? If not, is there an alternative that other projects are using? Or are most other projects small enough that local IDE cross reference databases are sufficient? The pre-req's for OpenGrok are on their website [3] and include GlassFish or Tomcat (6.x or later) with Java at least 1.6, and Exuberant Ctags [4] Is this something that appears technical feasible, based on the server support have at Apache? Easy, medium or hard? If this seems like a relatively easy thing to get hosted on Apache infrastructure, we can discuss further on the project to see if we can find a volunteer to drive it. But I wanted to check first to see if this looked reasonable. Regards, -Rob [1] http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/ [2] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/WebHome [3] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/installdescription [4] http://ctags.sourceforge.net/
Re: Hosting OpenGrok?
Michael Stahl wrote on Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 23:51:53 +0200: On 15.10.2011 22:13, Gavin McDonald wrote: Hi All, We already use Atlassians Fisheye tool on an external copy of our repo. This has excellent tools including the code search facilities you need. it looks like an interesting tool in its own right, but... The ViewVC search facility has been investigated and discounted at this time due to DoS and other concerns. OpenGrok would be yet another tool introduced to the ASF and ultimately another one infra would need to support for install and for any future upgrades. We have many requests for tool X from project Y and we just can't say yes to them all. the killer feature of OpenGrok is that it can search for definitions. for example try this: http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/search?q=defs=sal_uInt32refs=path=hist=project=%2FCurrent+%28trunk%29 not perfect (in fact the results here surprise me a bit), but very useful. At this time I would urge the project to use the Fisheye instance, let me know if you have any questions about it. i have a question: how do i search for definitions with this thing? By installing (exuberant) ctags locally? Daniel (using a mathematician's interpretation of with) regards, michael
Re: Can we close the old mercury servers?
Dave Fisher wrote on Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 08:56:10 -0700: On Oct 14, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: One of the comments on the Foundation blog is: Unless I'm mistaken, nothing has happened in the last 6 months: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300; It is perfectly understandable why someone would make this mistake. Can we please do something about the old Mercury servers. I think we should be redirecting common legacy URLs to their new counterpoints rather than simply closing or deleting things. Otherwise someone, like the commenter, will not just think the code has not been touched in 6 months. They will think that the code is unavailable entirely. The issue is external links into the project, including links from the Google search index. You deal with that with HTTP redirection. Not an option until we have control of the DNS. Can someone with commit access to hg.s.o.o add a note to the README file?
Re: Hosting OpenGrok?
Someone asked this a couple of weeks ago, IIRC the answer was (a) need to evaluate this, (b) viewvc (which is already installed) has a search feature, whether it would be sufficient. Rob Weir wrote on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 18:58:27 -0400: The legacy OpenOffice.org project had an instance [1] of a source code searching, cross reference application called OpenGrok[2]. It is very useful, especially in a 6 million LOC project like OOo. Have we ever used OpenGrok at Apache? If not, is there an alternative that other projects are using? Or are most other projects small enough that local IDE cross reference databases are sufficient? The pre-req's for OpenGrok are on their website [3] and include GlassFish or Tomcat (6.x or later) with Java at least 1.6, and Exuberant Ctags [4] Is this something that appears technical feasible, based on the server support have at Apache? Easy, medium or hard? If this seems like a relatively easy thing to get hosted on Apache infrastructure, we can discuss further on the project to see if we can find a volunteer to drive it. But I wanted to check first to see if this looked reasonable. Regards, -Rob [1] http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/ [2] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/WebHome [3] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/installdescription [4] http://ctags.sourceforge.net/
Re: ooo-security and securityteam@ OO.o coordination
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 09:26:56 -0700: CVE registrations are not the same as advisories and security-update announcements, such as this one from a downstream dependency impacted by vulnerability CVE-2008-2370: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0862.html. A CVE can be linked to the advisories that reference it, as is the case with CVE-2008-2370. When you identify an issue, you can obtain a CVE identifier for it by asking security@ to request an identifier for you.
Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400: To enable list-based discussion of the proposal, I'm pasting in the current wiki markup. This will allow anyone to enter inline commentary, as a response, to the quoted original. Thanks! *H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at least 90 days for the transfer of the contents and structure of the forums to another host as decided by the Administrators, Moderators and Volunteers. The PPMC is not empowered to agree to a clause that reads, The ASF will grant 90 days to someone. Only the board and officers can make commitments on behalf of the org. That's just the legal side of things and is not the same as the question of whether one should expect the ASF, should any of its entities decide to take the forums down, provide advance warning or migration codepath. The relevant entities in this case include IPMC, Infra, and Board.
Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
drew wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 18:07:35 -0400: On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 23:58 +0200, floris v wrote: Op 11-10-2011 23:46, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef: *H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at least 90 days for the transfer of the contents and structure of the forums to another host as decided by the Administrators, Moderators and Volunteers. The PPMC is not empowered to agree to a clause that reads, The ASF will grant 90 days to someone. Only the board and officers can make commitments on behalf of the org. That's just the legal side of things and is not the same as the question of whether one should expect the ASF, should any of its entities decide to take the forums down, provide advance warning or migration codepath. The relevant entities in this case include IPMC, Infra, and Board. How exactly should I understand this? Is this meant to be discouraging, like: forum people, you might as well leave right now? No. I don't know how to communicate my point more clearly than I did in the first sentences of my previous email. Beyond that, +1 all over Drew's reply --- including the points about framework / organizational structure (goes to the PPMC's inability to make commitments on behalf of the Foundation), about a broader group (I'm not on the PPMC), and about not jumping to conclusions. Hi Floris, Just my thought on that - if you recall I mentioned that it was time to let the Apache folks see the proposal and make sure it fits into the framework here also - it is a two way street..if I understand what is being said it is merely that this is something not seen before and will naturally, IMO, get a review from a broader group then just the PPMC. and now I see that Ross G. has stated pretty much exactly that. So, just my .02 worth - it doesn't appear to be anything beyond what one should expect at this point and I would strongly advise not to jump to any conclusions. Best wishes, //drew
Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
Ross Gardler wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 23:11:23 +0100: On 11 October 2011 23:07, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: In any case, the right way to handle this is just to take out the mention of ASF. If indeed the PPMC has delegated authority, then it is sufficient to just mention the PPMC. That'll work. +1
Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
Rob Weir wrote on Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 09:10:27 -0400: we're supposed to subscribe to that list using our Apache alias. Untrue.
Re: PMC report for October 2011
Alexandro Colorado wrote on Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 10:46:36 -0500: AFAIK the current status of the report cover most of the points. The only ones that don't cover are really not needed, like privat matters. Not sure what you mean by that. It's occasionally needed to include information in the board report that's not to be made public.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for October 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)
Marketing is not simply about pr +1
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for October 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)
Graham Lauder wrote on Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 07:02:17 +1300: On Sunday, October 02, 2011 05:16:15 AM Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: These announcements to a list are interesting, because it is not clear who will take the initiative to see that this happens. Last month, I waited too long before declaring what I would be doing and then doing it. This month, I won't be tardy. I am declaring that I shall not be preparing the quarterly podling report for October. - Dennis I'll have time this month to deal with this. It is a marketing task in any case. Reporting to the board isn't about marketing, it is about the board's oversight over the foundation it is the board of. I don't think you wuold include community friction issues in marketing materials, but a PMC chair must report them to the board if they exist.
Re: LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice.org one year later
Rob Weir wrote on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:03:08 -0400: An interesting new article in Lwn.net by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier. https://lwn.net/Articles/458974/ There are a couple factual errors there in describing our project: 1) The article claims that we have not added any committers since the project started Obviously this is not true. It is easily to verify by looking at our recent reports: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2011 (72 committers) http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2011 (71 committers) http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2011 (56 committers) You don't need to take off your shoes and count on your toes to see that we have more committers than when we started. How many of the 15 committers added in August submitted a patch (or got a patch they had sent applied) during that timeframe?
Re: How to do with glibc-2.1.3 in AOOo?
Yes, apr_getopt calls in Subversion would come from one of those two libraries. If you need a minimal example I suggest subversion/svnversion/main.c and subversion/tests/cmdline/atomic-ra-revprop-change.c. Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 13:41:39 -0700: Support for w_char matters to me, but that is unrelated to work here. However, there's another place to look. I know there are command-line utilities in Subversion releases, so I went nosing around. There is an apr_lib.h reference and apr_getopt... calls. I haven't found the library and its source yet, but I bet it might have what is needed for Apache OOo. It might take some preprocessor magic to rename back in a custom getopt.h file. I did trace back enough to know that here are some interesting places to look further: http://archive.apache.org/dist/apr/apr-1.4.5.tar.bz2 http://archive.apache.org/dist/apr/apr-util-1.3.12.tar.bz2 - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:giffu...@tutopia.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 22:39 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: How to do with glibc-2.1.3 in AOOo? On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:06:40 +0300, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: For command line options I think the normal char is enough I don't know what the OOo code actually uses getopt() for (I am pretty sure it is just some build-time tools that actually use it...), but you can be assured that the actual OOo executable(s), for Windows (which presumably *is* the OS you expect most of your users to have?), definitely do need the full original Unicode command line. (Remember that Windows is Unicode-based, all file names and other system interfaces are in UTF-16.) And of course the OOo code itself uses UTF-16 strings almost exclusively. Indeed, I had forgotten: http://dvice.com/archives/2009/01/klingon_keyboar.php :) Cheers, Pedro.
Re: How to do with glibc-2.1.3 in AOOo?
Dave Fisher wrote on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 14:17:43 -0700: http://apr.apache.org/docs/apr/1.4/apr__getopt_8h-source.html http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.developer.usingapi.html That's an old/previous release of the book. Also: http://subversion.apache.org/HACKING On Sep 15, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Support for w_char matters to me, but that is unrelated to work here. However, there's another place to look. I know there are command-line utilities in Subversion releases, so I went nosing around. There is an apr_lib.h reference and apr_getopt... calls. I haven't found the library and its source yet, but I bet it might have what is needed for Apache OOo. It might take some preprocessor magic to rename back in a custom getopt.h file. I did trace back enough to know that here are some interesting places to look further: http://archive.apache.org/dist/apr/apr-1.4.5.tar.bz2 http://archive.apache.org/dist/apr/apr-util-1.3.12.tar.bz2 - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:giffu...@tutopia.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 22:39 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: How to do with glibc-2.1.3 in AOOo? On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:06:40 +0300, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: For command line options I think the normal char is enough I don't know what the OOo code actually uses getopt() for (I am pretty sure it is just some build-time tools that actually use it...), but you can be assured that the actual OOo executable(s), for Windows (which presumably *is* the OS you expect most of your users to have?), definitely do need the full original Unicode command line. (Remember that Windows is Unicode-based, all file names and other system interfaces are in UTF-16.) And of course the OOo code itself uses UTF-16 strings almost exclusively. Indeed, I had forgotten: http://dvice.com/archives/2009/01/klingon_keyboar.php :) Cheers, Pedro.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 08:29:05 -0700: Rob, 1. Considering that the Bulldozing term and thread were on ooo-private, it will be weird to have that reported here as status of a group that was not privy to it. (The IPMC and mentors already know, of course.) I recommend that the mention be removed. A community accomplishment would be the increase in civility on the ooo-dev list, perhaps. If this is to remain, do you have a more affirmative statement than that mentoring was required? Positive outcome strikes me as the accomplishment. It's possible to report an issue privately --- ie, to have it known to the PMC and the board (and for podlings also the PPMC), but not publish it in the public minutes. That's normally used for reporting issues of the sort that would be discussed on private@ rather than on dev@. I have no opinion on whether this mechanism should be invoked in this instance.
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:16:55 -0700: orcmid I've responded to your questions in-line. /orcmid With regard to detail, this is probably the longest report already. For context, look at the complete set of reports so far, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2011. They tend to the terse. Look at previous board minutes. That (a) contains TLPs as well, (b) also records the instances when the Board rejected a report (e.g., due to being too uninformative). http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2011/
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 17:01:14 -0700: Thanks Daniel, that is very interesting material. It is very clear that a one-sentence report is not acceptable [;). There are also some other tips to be gleaned from the Committee Reports section. (Be careful with abbreviations; have no external links, etc.) Also http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting (which should be discussed in recent reports) I notice that this material runs rather late, June 2011 being the latest report so far this year. Is this normal? Yes, minutes aren't published until the board approves them in a subsequent meeting. Until then, the agenda/minutes are maintained in a non-public area of svn. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:d...@daniel.shahaf.name] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 16:12 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for September 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:16:55 -0700: orcmid I've responded to your questions in-line. /orcmid With regard to detail, this is probably the longest report already. For context, look at the complete set of reports so far, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2011. They tend to the terse. Look at previous board minutes. That (a) contains TLPs as well, (b) also records the instances when the Board rejected a report (e.g., due to being too uninformative). http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2011/
Re: [PROPOSAL] Get lazy consensus on to recommend that the trademark permission be granted to TLM Ltd
Ian Lynch wrote on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:16:39 +0100: The Lazy Consensus period has now passed so there is PPMC agreement with the proposal. I now need trademarks@ to take any vote necessary to complete the process. (Mentors, if I have any of this wrong please let me know :-) ) You called for a lazy consensus over a weekend, in some projects it's a good idea not to end a lazy consensus on a Monday since many people aren't around on weekends.
Re: Bug reporting, handling rules
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 10:23:55 -0700: I think the first problem is there is great confusion about what FR web forum is doing. FR is providing an accurate Sender address, but the list doesn't show that (or at least, not in my e-mail client), it shows the From: SMTP Header, not the Sender: one which is not supposed to be forged or a fake and it clearly isn't. Sender: header and SMTP envelope-from are not the same thing (and when present need not have the same value); did you conflate them? His emails - Contain a valid Reply-To: header. - Use a valid envelope-from address. (That's not a header. The list software rewrites all envelope-from addresses before delivering any message to subscribers.) - Contain a From: header whose value is a non-existing @a.o address. - Do not contain a Sender: header. (That's not the same thing as the envelope-from.)
Re: Bug reporting, handling rules
Don't set your From address to an @nike.apache.org address. Set it to a real email address. FR web forum wrote on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 19:53:44 +0200: On OOo QA site can be found three page cut http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/bug_writing_guidelines.html http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/basic_rules.html We have also translated documents in the wiki.services.oo.o, example: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Fr.openoffice.org/IssueTracker And probably that these pages exist in other languages
Re: Bug reporting, handling rules
Dave Fisher wrote on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 13:29:43 -0700: Prior to this post this person was using o...@athena.apache.org How are either of these real or valid? Is this post coming from the test forum? athena and nike are the MX servers for the 'apache.org.' domain. Shouldn't a moderator turn this subscription off? (or not allow it in?) +1 Regards, Dave On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Don't set your From address to an @nike.apache.org address. Set it to a real email address. FR web forum wrote on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 19:53:44 +0200: On OOo QA site can be found three page cut http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/bug_writing_guidelines.html http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/basic_rules.html We have also translated documents in the wiki.services.oo.o, example: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Fr.openoffice.org/IssueTracker And probably that these pages exist in other languages
Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 09:06:31 -0400: I suspect I will be blamed for the *next* time Terry resigns as well, so I apologize in advance for whenever that day (or hour) comes. That wasn't necessary.
Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums
Shane Curcuru wrote on Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 09:01:04 -0400: The fundamental issues requiring some sort of agreement or change are: 1 - The Oracle servers the forums live on are going away (someday). Hence, the existing technical and organizational leaders of the forums *must* migrate the code and content somewhere else. Here you say somewhere else... This primarily needs folks like Terry and... who else? to start driving the work, in conjunction with this PPMC and then Apache infrastructure. ...but here you assume a very specific value for somewhere else.
Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
drew wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 14:12:49 -0400: On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 14:05 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Being a member-based organization the ASF requires that all foundation activities be subject to member scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions). I would be perfectly satisfied if the private forums are fully archived and made available to any ASF member on request, without undue delay. And to all PPMC members as well. Archived, yes fully and for that matter you can't edit a single letter in anything without the logs catching what you did...and those logs would be fully under ASF Infra control. AFAIK moderators are able to delete posts (as a means of spam control). How does can that work with the forums being 'fully archived' or 'fully journaled'? (One option is to forbid deletion of posts, instead moving all spam posts to a designated 'spam' forum; I'm not sure how workable that would be.)
threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Dennis, some of your recent replies (including the one I'm replying to) break threading (at least in Mutt), could you look into that please? (The mails appear in the same thread, as a new reply to the first post of the thread.) Thanks. Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 16:29:02 -0700: They can move and take everything with them but the hardware, the domain name, and the trademark. That's actually quite a lot. I don't have it much better with the hosting service that now hosts my public goodies. (I have the domain name and the trademark. I also have current backups of everything and it is easy to move - that's why I use static pages.) Of course, I have a lease on the domain name. It is mine only within that limitation. Not that there is not a separation cost and serious disruption. But do we need to mention this at all? Normally, when someone wants me on their hardware and software, and to be my domain-name holder, I receive a nice offer, not an offer I can't refuse. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:24 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers [ ... ] If you do not own the hardware, the domain name and the trademark, then you are operating at the pleasure of those who do own these things. That might feel like autonomy, but that is illusory. If you want to see what autonomy looks like, look at http://www.oooforum.org/ The thing to gain some appreciation of is that the unit of decision making at Apache is the project. There is a single group of project committers and a single (P)PMC. No one owns any service within the project. No one has exclusive freedom of action. No one can act on their own without risk of a veto. We don't fragment and compartmentalize the project into autonomous functions that are immune for discussion, consensus building, vetos and votes from other project members. [ ... ]
Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Rob Weir wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 13:01:50 -0400: I think it would be good if they made up their mind soon. I thought we were close to the physical migration being completed. If the current volunteers are not on board with the Apache project, then we'll need to explore alternative approaches, such as: 1) Point users to http://www.oooforum.org/ 2) Do support via mailing list only 3) Use forums, but find new volunteers 4) Abort the migration, tell the forums guys to find some non-ASF hosting where they can continue running the forums unchanged
Re: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Eike Rathke wrote on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 16:35:32 +0200: Hi, On Monday, 2011-09-05 15:33:13 +0300, Daniel Shahaf wrote: Dennis, some of your recent replies (including the one I'm replying to) break threading (at least in Mutt), could you look into that please? That seems to be some general problem with MS Outlook Dennis uses that omits References and In-Reply-To headers. Actually most of his mails break threading, strangely enough some do not. I suspect this is somehow due to Outlook's internal threading index feature. Don't ask me about details, I don't know that stuff, I just know it can cause problems. Thanks for the information. I wonder of the non-thread-breaking has to do with how the mails are sent; perhaps it's something about delayed sending (as opposed to reply-compose-send), but I haven't tried to confirm this guess. (The mails appear in the same thread, as a new reply to the first post of the thread.) That they appear pseudo-threaded at all as a reply to the first post is the subject threading of Mutt if strict_threads=no, which is default, influenced by reply_regexp if sort_re=yes, also default. I have all these at their defaults. Thanks for the tips/information, Daniel
Re: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
For what it's worth, both the post I'm reply to and the one above it threaded correctly for me. If it's possible for you to not break threading without too much effort on your side, I think it'll be a useful investment. But I do my best. more than suffices for me. Thanks. Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 10:13:28 -0700: Another possibility is that if I am directly in a CC: from a post, I might incorrectly respond to that copy rather than the one from the list. I usually delete the one that I know was from the CC: (it usually arrives first) so that I don't make that mistake. [For this note, I am replying to it exactly as received. However, I am setting the From properly (my mail arrives via a forwarding address) and I am removing my own e-mail from the To: that the Replay All included automatically.] -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 09:35 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers Daniel, I don't generally have any way of knowing what does and does not influence threading. I don't have threading in my mail client and I don't use an alternative, such as a newsgroup service, so it is difficult to know how I do or don't do disturbs threading. I am told that touching the subject will break threading, so I don't do that as much as I would like to when we have drifted considerably from some non-specific subject, like this one has. I can't even add or restore a category without objection. I also don't normally see the SMTP headers, although I can find them with moderate effort. I can't influence the outgoing headers though. What may have happened is I replied to my own copy rather than the one from the list. I usually delete my own copy as soon as one from the list appears, and that might matter. There are a couple of other things I should watch out for as well. I think if I re-open a post in my Outbox to correct something, that might lose the reply thread too. Also, if I had to save a draft for continuing later, that might lose the reply thread. I don't know. Generally, it is very difficult to honor an etiquette the effects of which are invisible to me. For me, the list arrives chronologically in a separate folder that I filter it to and that is all that I know about it. I do my best. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:d...@daniel.shahaf.name] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 05:33 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers Dennis, some of your recent replies (including the one I'm replying to) break threading (at least in Mutt), could you look into that please? (The mails appear in the same thread, as a new reply to the first post of the thread.) Thanks. [ ... ]
Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Terry Ellison wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:09:15 +0100: On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote: ... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private. We use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging confidential information, like the real email addresses of new committers. Almost any other attempted use of ooo-private has been quickly shut down my our Mentors, rightfully, since the default behavior should be to discuss things openly. In fact, if the very discussion that is currently occurring (according to Terry) on the private forum had occurred on ooo-private, we would have received a lecture from a Mentor on the need for transparency. Rob we are not talking about project operations in private in u.s.oo.o either. We are talking about User Community business in private on a User Community-run server. I know that you want to unilaterally subsume this community into the project, but this isn't the status quo. It's a fundamental change that you are demanding of this community. If the forums community doesn't want to become part of the ASF project then why has the PPMC asked infra to migrate the forums to ASF hardware? (Terry, in case it's not clear, I'm speaking with Devil's Advocate hat on.)
Re: I will try to finish my current tasks before I go
Terry Ellison wrote on Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 09:56:12 +0100: This is a response to some content in the replies to ... It was late when I wrote this, so maybe I should have phrased it better. However one of my paragraphs generated a strong reaction and a bit of personal criticism, So I just want to explain what my intent was below, since the Apache way seems to be to let it all hang out in public. I'd be fine with having this thread on a private list. That said: You have been libeling Infra on this list. Don't do that. * *Infrastructure processes and practices*. Watching these at work, they clearly work for the core team who do most of the work. No question about this. But nothing is written down, with everything just commonly understood by the team. There are many ways of organising and executing this type of infrastructure service, and the team has chosen one which can work in small tightly knit groups. However it doesn't scale and it will be very foreign to newcomers who are used to different working models. For example anyone working in an F500 company or major government organisation is used to working within an ITIL or other QA framework. So it could take newbies months to learn their way into the Apache model. This can cause conflict and tensions if you have project goals which involve weeks. I am a newbie here. I have weeks. I have a corporate background. I am used to picking up a rule book, reading it, understanding it, then following it. Here, I seem to cross invisible lines and get publicly flamed in response. That's why it doesn't work for me. Learn the difference between getting feedback on your work, answers to your questions, or post-commit reviews to your commits, and being flamed. This is probably my last public comment on the above. I don't want to start a ping-pong responding to the personal criticisms in the previous thread. They are public and on the record so others can form their own opinions. That's pretty impossible because #asfinfra is not archived. Whatever happens, I will do my best to migrate the forums and wiki, to document these systems and to bring them under proper revision control to a standard acceptable to the infrastructure team. But the sensible option for all currently seems to be for me to disengage from apache.org at that point. As you wish. You'd be welcomed back at #asfinfra whenever it's possible to work with you without getting into discussions such as the present one.
Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums
Rob Weir wrote on Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 08:14:31 -0400: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Shane there are some intrinsic differences between a DL and posting into a forum. However, reading this entire thread I get the feeling that some of the current practices on the forum may be unacceptable to Apache / the project. However in this case, I would suggest that: 1) we adopt an evolutionary approach -- that is get the forums moved and then make any changes. 2) we constitute a small group with forum experience *and* ASF experience do a specific task of reviewing current practices against Apache norms and practices, then draft some change guidelines for feeding to the forums, and an impact assessment of their implementation. We can then feed them into the ooo-dev list for comment and if needed vote on their adoption. Actually - reading this thread - I think running an support forum of this kind is something we haven't done before at apache (or at least to my knowledge). That being said we probably need to rethink of what we have done in the past. This would address such issue as: (i) Do we allow the forum moderators use the forum itself to discuss forum management or must this be done on ooo-dev In tradition, all ASF related matters - code, users etc - are discussed in public on the dev list. The user lists has been utilized to do support to users. Now there is an forum in addtiion to a list. The credo is:if it happened on list, it didn't happen. Ok, the board is not on list - so it didn't happen. I think management of the board can also happen on the board as Terry suggested (i think he did). That logic doesn't really work. The fact that it is not a mailing list (and therefore it didn't happen) is not magical permission to do things in a project that would otherwise not be allowed. For example, could we create a forum for project-level fundraising, for paying developers, for developing code not under ALv2 and for selling CD's of AOOo, and argue that this is OK, because, the board is not on list - so it didn't happen? You're taking the phrase too literally. If it didn't happen on-list, it didn't happen means: things that didn't happen on-list cannot constitute a PMC decision. You can't vote for a release or a committer on any place other than the list. If the PMC were to meet at a convention center and hand out pamphlets claiming that the foundation rips off third world countries in order to manufacture feathers, the Board would probably step in.
Re: Apache Way community moderation rationale
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 08:24:40 -0700: We are also not in control at this time, as far as I know. The registry information still has Oracle Corporation as the Registrant Organization. When the domain transfer at the registrar happens, we can worry about take-down notices and other legal requests made to the registrant. I assume that there is a link on every current-site page for where takedown notices can be sent (it doesn't have to be to the registrant, it can be to the hosting service, something we can be acting as, perhaps?) and that would likely be something that needs to be fixed once the domain points to pages in PPMC custody. The WHOIS details will contain addresses that infra@ and/or secretary@ read. I don't see this as a barrier to the migration approach that I am endorsing. But it is a good concrete situation to make a point of dealing with. Thanks for pointing that out. Is the bugzilla a good place to start compiling these? - Dennis PS: Amazing that we have graduated from language about property to now speaking of control. I am anxious for responsibility and accountability to have their turn. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 08:04 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Way community moderation rationale On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Owning the domain name and owning the existing site are two different things. Apache does not own the content on the current live site that is not part of the Oracle CLA. It is not about ownership. It is about control. If someone uploaded illegal material, pirated software, etc., Apache would get the take-down notices. We could not argue that we did not own the pirated software. The PPMC is responsible for the moderation of the forums, directly or via delegation. There is no hiding from this responsibility merely because user content is under their own copyright. That would be silly. -Rob I'm 100% behind Shane's view of how we could migrate in a gradual, transparent way that engages the impacted community (not the one defined as those people who are here on the podling already). My only concern now is that we do not take steps that make that migration an option, however we conclude what the end game will look like. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 07:48 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Way community moderation rationale OpenOffice.org is an Apache domain. It will have Apache branding, etc. We can't pretend that site is at arm's length. -Rob On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1 I completely support the high-level migration road-map you sketch for artifacts and services currently in custody of the openoffice.org domain sites and not part of the Oracle SGA. In the final paragraph, though, perhaps you meant to say Given the past history and the fact that this non-code content is not currently under an *apache.org* domain, it is possible to technically migrate a lot of stuff without having finalized the policy issues. (Note: source code and items under apache.org domains are different, and should discuss policy issues sooner rather than later). -Original Message- From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:a...@shanecurcuru.org] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 07:23 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Apache Way community moderation rationale [ ... ] NOTE: OOo is a huge project with a very diverse set of well-known services, and, like, a LOT of users. To graduate to a top level project will require significant changes to how some of these services are provided in the future under any Apache marks or domain names. Given the scale and breadth of services, and the changes in community, I think it's appropriate to plan on plenty of time to make the complete migrations of these services. Likewise, I believe it may be permissible to take over hosting some services in the technical sense under the openoffice.org domain - in the short term - that we might not normally consider as managed fully by the Apache Way yet. One way to think about services migration - to separate out policy dependencies from technical ones - is: - Ensure several PPMC members have root / admin / whatever level of access is required to give them oversight, so they can review behavior on the service. (first!) - Technically port the service to apache hardware (but not under an apache.org domain yet) - Apply branding updates to the service - Decide final policy issues for moderation, etc. for the service Does that make sense? Given the past history and the fact that
Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]
orcmid@a.o has access to SMTP at smtps://people.apachea.org:465/ Moderators can approve emails from any address, but access to the -log, -list, and the moderator's version of -help only works from the address listed as moderator. Only infra can change the moderator addresses on a list. Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 11:38:59 -0700: I think you are right. I already have a list where orc...@apache.org is a moderator, so I will see if I can access the moderator features there. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Eike Rathke [mailto:o...@erack.de] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 08:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org] Hi Dennis, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 18:29:02 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Hmm, for (2) I think you have to use orc...@msn.com for me, then. Most of my e-mail addresses (including orc...@apache.org) are not associated with an SMTP server, if I get your drift. I think what counts is the envelope From, so if your ISP's SMTP allows you to send with an arbitrary envelope From (which is fine if the user is authenticated to the SMTP server anyway) you should be good. Eike -- PGP/OpenPGP/GnuPG encrypted mail preferred in all private communication. Key ID: 0x293C05FD - 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD
Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists
The problem isn't Gavin needs to cool off. The problem is Terry and Infra need to find a way to work together without constantly stepping on each other's toes. On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:33 -0400, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: You two are some of the smartest admins I know, and I've known a few. With mastery obviously comes strong opinions and equally strong working habits. This is probably the largest migration effort Apache has ever done. It is certainly a huge effort from OOo's perspective, since it is a technical, procedural and social change. We obviously really need both of your help in the coming days and weeks. Can we find a way to cool off rather than escalate? Tomorrow is another day. Thanks, -Rob On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk] Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 8:02 AM To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists Dennis, The short answer is IMHO: that's correct -- No. As to the long one: ... Oracle stopped its major funding of OOo as a mainstream product for sound commercial reasons -- though this has resulted in personal consequences for a lot of people who worked on OOo and who no longer have a job. Now we've now got some services running unmanned, because the people have gone. We were lucky as far as the OOo wiki was concerned in that I was already providing expert support to the Oracle guy who ran the system, and I was able to step in with his active cooperation before he left the building. I believe that Oracle that wants to ensure a bumpless transfer to the Apache project wherever possible, and it will find the necessary mechanisms to grant project members who have the right technical skills and track record to take over these systems. Our main problem is that this list currently seems to contains one name -- mine, though there are others who could potentially step into this gap: for example Raphael, Kay and Drew. However we are all already working to our limits. Maybe we just need a cloning machine :( Once we have documentation in place, any infra person can jump in and help should the need arise. Quite honestly -- and I can only speak personally -- at the moment I feel that I am caught between a rock and a hard place. My work is time consuming and the skills are different to the mainstream C++ trained OOo developer, but they are also different to a pure sysAdmin. In some ways you need to be an expert in *both* these worlds and to be able to integrate this expertise. I am not talking about enthusiastic newbie volunteers; I am talking about hacks who have done this so many times that it's routine. Again this only my personal experience, but I feel that Apache is unwelcoming to newcomers and this seems to be an endemic culture, albeit strongly advocated by a few individuals. It is intolerant and often outrightly hostile to domains of expertise outside its comfort area -- even though these may be more relevant to the work and Apache's wider mission. In short I am being asked to work long hours on technically demanding tasks in a dysfunctional environment. Nobody is asking you to so anything, you are a volunteer, you can do zero hours if it pleases you, Your hours are governed by what you want to put in, not what anybody tells you to do. Please explain what you mean by dysfunctional? FWIW I've been bending over backwards trying to help you with infra stuff, but you are a stubborn old git who will not listen to how we do things around here. We have accommodated just about every need, every weird way you do things, now it is time for you to listen to us and fit in with us. I've been prepared to help you do this but then you just go and piss me off with outlandish emails like this one. If I was being paid to do what I am doing now, then I would be seriously thinking about changing jobs -- and this is from a guy who spent 32 years working with the same company working to get to its top technical tier -- and also one who is now doing this work pro-bono. This is a volunteer organisation, guess what, you are not the only person here doing work for nothing. Please do not yet again spout off your credentials or your countless millions of hours spent on this, we KNOW, we are very grateful but I am getting tired of you always shoving it in our face as an excuse for us to have to bow down and do it the Terry way. We are not stupid, do not treat us as stupid. You are not stupid, we know that. We are not here to piss you off, but you seem to trying very hard to do that to me at least. Now, quit the jibes and learn to do things in a way that will please us
Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists
Some concrete possible ways forward: * Terry and Infra work together, migration continues, Terry sets up the service and documents it alongside all the other Infra services. * Infra assumes responsibility for the services and the migration. * Infra sets up a VM and tells the PPMC to assume responsibility for the rest. Infra has oversight and access to all VMs, though. * The PPMC finds a solution that doesn't involve Infra. (eg, Board budget to pay for external hosting) On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 01:45 +0300, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: The problem isn't Gavin needs to cool off. The problem is Terry and Infra need to find a way to work together without constantly stepping on each other's toes. On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:33 -0400, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: You two are some of the smartest admins I know, and I've known a few. With mastery obviously comes strong opinions and equally strong working habits. This is probably the largest migration effort Apache has ever done. It is certainly a huge effort from OOo's perspective, since it is a technical, procedural and social change. We obviously really need both of your help in the coming days and weeks. Can we find a way to cool off rather than escalate? Tomorrow is another day. Thanks, -Rob On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk] Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 8:02 AM To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists Dennis, The short answer is IMHO: that's correct -- No. As to the long one: ... Oracle stopped its major funding of OOo as a mainstream product for sound commercial reasons -- though this has resulted in personal consequences for a lot of people who worked on OOo and who no longer have a job. Now we've now got some services running unmanned, because the people have gone. We were lucky as far as the OOo wiki was concerned in that I was already providing expert support to the Oracle guy who ran the system, and I was able to step in with his active cooperation before he left the building. I believe that Oracle that wants to ensure a bumpless transfer to the Apache project wherever possible, and it will find the necessary mechanisms to grant project members who have the right technical skills and track record to take over these systems. Our main problem is that this list currently seems to contains one name -- mine, though there are others who could potentially step into this gap: for example Raphael, Kay and Drew. However we are all already working to our limits. Maybe we just need a cloning machine :( Once we have documentation in place, any infra person can jump in and help should the need arise. Quite honestly -- and I can only speak personally -- at the moment I feel that I am caught between a rock and a hard place. My work is time consuming and the skills are different to the mainstream C++ trained OOo developer, but they are also different to a pure sysAdmin. In some ways you need to be an expert in *both* these worlds and to be able to integrate this expertise. I am not talking about enthusiastic newbie volunteers; I am talking about hacks who have done this so many times that it's routine. Again this only my personal experience, but I feel that Apache is unwelcoming to newcomers and this seems to be an endemic culture, albeit strongly advocated by a few individuals. It is intolerant and often outrightly hostile to domains of expertise outside its comfort area -- even though these may be more relevant to the work and Apache's wider mission. In short I am being asked to work long hours on technically demanding tasks in a dysfunctional environment. Nobody is asking you to so anything, you are a volunteer, you can do zero hours if it pleases you, Your hours are governed by what you want to put in, not what anybody tells you to do. Please explain what you mean by dysfunctional? FWIW I've been bending over backwards trying to help you with infra stuff, but you are a stubborn old git who will not listen to how we do things around here. We have accommodated just about every need, every weird way you do things, now it is time for you to listen to us and fit in with us. I've been prepared to help you do this but then you just go and piss me off with outlandish emails like this one. If I was being paid to do what I am doing now, then I would be seriously thinking about changing jobs -- and this is from a guy who spent 32 years working with the same company working to get to its top technical tier
Re: Apache project community and external community
Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:25:14 +0100: Is it the way OOo used to work? No, but OOo has chosen to come to the ASF now. Whose decision was it to move to the ASF?
Re: Blank in folder name
For me it just works, using the latest 1.6.x code. Mathias Bauer wrote on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 15:29:03 +0200: Moin, somebody had the wonderful idea to give a folder in our repository a name with a blank. Unfortunately this folder misses two files that couldn't be imported. I tried to add them, but I can't get subversion to cope with the blank in the folder name. Here's the location: main/writerfilter/source/odiapi/qname/resource/office2003/WordProcessingML Schemas If I change into that folder, add the two missing files with svn add, a commit fails: svn: File not found: transaction '1162795-pc4d', path '/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/writerfilter/source/odiapi/qname/resource/office2003/WordprocessingML%20Schemas/xsdlib.xsd' Can someone tell me how to help subversion and my shell understand each other? Regards, Mathias
Re: Update on SVN dump load
wrt complete checkout, some use of svn checkout --depth=immediates svn up dir --set-depth=immediates svn up dir --set-depth=infinity might help with network issues. (it breaks the checkout into smaller transactions) Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 20:23:31 -0700: Thanks joe, I already had a laborious additional SVN update stage running when I saw this message. So about 18 hours total into this, when it interrupted once again, I started a new folder, this time on my local hard drive (I had been updating onto a shared folder of a file server), and did a complete check-out in 30 minutes, 30 seconds. I can now drag that baby over to the file server where I want to keep it. Quickly. Based on this, when the merge into the incubator/ooo/ SVN subtree happens, I think I will nuke the tree I have and do a complete check-out the same way. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:13 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: Update on SVN dump load Yes that is a painful way to proceed. 9 times out of 10 it is way faster to nuke a partial checkout and retry than it is to use svn update to pick up where you left off. I learned this while dealing with network issues during a FreeBSD checkout. Wasted a full day waiting on svn up. From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:03 PM Subject: RE: Update on SVN dump load I am clearly doing this wrong. There must be a more-efficient way to handle this than by an SVN check-out and, after the check-out is interrupted for some reason, subsequent SVN updates to continue pulling down a working copy of the repo, rinse-repeat whenever there are connection failures of some kind. I say that because I am around 12 hours into that process and I am still pulling just the trunk (at about 1.5 GB including all of the .svn stuff). Fortunately, it doesn't swamp my machine and I can do other work, such as write emails [;). Don't think I'll try watching Netflix on-line though [;). - Dennis PS: I have, since June 1, had a lifetimes supply of ways to show myself how stupid I am. Walking onto a project of this magnitude without first learning the toolcraft and customs on something smaller is not thrilling. I am going to find those smaller things to teeth on while I watch in horror how complex this activity is. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 16:22 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Update on SVN dump load Ah, the excitement builds ... One way to not do commits (and to avoid certificate warnings) is to use the http:// address, not the https:// form. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 15:17 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Update on SVN dump load Our JIRA issue has been updated: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3862 Joe has done a test load onto: https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/joes/ooo No commits to it, please, but yell out if you see anything wrong. It looks good so far. -Rob
Re: Gmane address encryption (was: Re: [What?] Why and How did this reach my inbox?)
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 14:55:15 -0700: Here's a mangled To: address that is obfuscated and defies my inbox rules. Is this what you are talking about? Can we turn that off? Can we get it to user our accurate list address? It almost seems that our list is being BCCed. FWIW, filtering list traffic by the list headers (eg, List-Id), or by using a unique address to subscribe to the list and then filtering by the BCC-delivered-to address, work around that. I know not everyone uses these techniques. From: Bjoern Michaelsen [mailto:redacted] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 02:48 To: public-ooo-dev-d1gl8uupddxtxqt0kkdzdmd2fqjk+...@plane.gmane.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Improvement Program, Apache Migration and Privacy Policy - Dennis -Original Message- From: Michael Stahl [mailto:m...@openoffice.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 14:28 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Gmane address encryption (was: Re: [What?] Why and How did this reach my inbox?) On 24.08.2011 22:39, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011-08-24 11:42 AM Michael Stahl wrote: On 23.08.2011 21:25, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: How about the mangling of the To address? When I get one of these, I cannot use any rules because the To address that my mail client sees is not that of ooo-dev but some hacked-up pseudo gmane address. when signing up a mailing list at Gmane there is a checkbox whether the mail addresses (as seen by Gmane users) should be mangled or not; this feature is intended to prevent address harvesting and thus deter spammers. Can that feature be changed? Is it necessary? it seems there is a form on the Gmane site where the list information can be edited, including the mangling (it is called encryption). but before changing it we should ensure that posters on this list are not concerned about potentially getting more spam. (haven't checked whether any of the various other sites that archive this list expose the mail addresses to scraping by spammers) None of the OOo or LibreOffice lists that I follow with Gmane have mangled addresses. Nor do the other lists I follow. of the LO lists that i look at occasionally only the main development list seems to have the mangling enabled, the other ones not. regards, michael
Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org
Please change the Subject line so that everyone interested in this topic can notice the discussion occurring.
Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import
Stephan Bergmann wrote on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 15:46:33 +0200: On Aug 16, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Rob Weir wrote: By request I've created a new SVN dump file, this time from Linux. I would make the commit log more detailed than just initial import, Then edit it post-import. FYI all, Rob has filed an INFRA JIRA for the import to be done.
Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 08:32:19 -0400: Is anyone planning on actually reviewing the dump file, e.g., loading it into a local repository, checking it out and looking at the resulting source tree? First, need to review history too, not just a checkout of HEAD. Second, it would be very useful if someone did that on an Internet-accessible box; it's MUCH easier to review a dump after it has been loaded somewhere.
Re: [Repo][Proposal] OOO340 SVN Dump file import
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:53:12 -0400: I'm not certain whether I have permissions to load the dump file directly, without going through Apache Infra. I'd like to avoid doing this as a giant commit of 76K files because of difficulty of dealing with partial failures. I also want to avoid sending a 1.8 GB commit note to your inbox! Don't worry about the commit mails; the mailer has an upper size limit. But a 1.8GB commit will mean that everyone in Europe who commits after you and before your commit has synced won't be able to update to the revision they just committed, which will cause some problems. I'm assuming that on the Infra side, they would first lock SVN from writes, do a dump of the existing AOOo repository, as a backup, then load my dump file. That way, if anything goes wrong, they can restart from a known state. Essentially, yes. Except that there is no AOOo repository --- all of /repos/asf is one repository.
