Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
On 19/10/2012 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This may work for News and announcements, even if often, in that case, the English announcement is posted on the ASF blog, so outside the openoffice.org domain. For the whole structure, this is easy only for NL sites that we will be rebuilding from scratch, but for other sites we can start to harmonize paths at least for announcements. Regards, Andrea.
[WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Hi, yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it makes sense at all. 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../index.hmtl .../de/index.html .../it/index.html ... .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html ... Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This makes it easy to find the related translation for any files. We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the future. 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events. But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on openoffice.apache.org or the wiki. I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but I am interested to hear others opinion. Regards Juergen
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
It would be a good idea to have the same structure and then one directory with country special parts...as you say it makes it easier to maintain, and with the extra directory nobody is limited. jan On 19 October 2012 10:22, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it makes sense at all. 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../index.hmtl .../de/index.html .../it/index.html ... .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html ... Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This makes it easy to find the related translation for any files. We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the future. 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events. But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on openoffice.apache.org or the wiki. I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but I am interested to hear others opinion. Regards Juergen
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
On 10/19/12 10:26 AM, jan iversen wrote: It would be a good idea to have the same structure and then one directory with country special parts...as you say it makes it easier to maintain, and with the extra directory nobody is limited. And I forgot to mention that I would move all existing content that we really want preserve in a backup area not directly linked but available. But new users coming to the page should find a clear page to get information about the product, the download, documentation and help and finally and very important how to participate in the project ;-) Juergen jan On 19 October 2012 10:22, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it makes sense at all. 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../index.hmtl .../de/index.html .../it/index.html ... .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html ... Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This makes it easy to find the related translation for any files. We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the future. 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events. But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on openoffice.apache.org or the wiki. I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but I am interested to hear others opinion. Regards Juergen
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it makes sense at all. 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../index.hmtl .../de/index.html .../it/index.html ... .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html ... Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This makes it easy to find the related translation for any files. We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the future. 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events. But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on openoffice.apache.org or the wiki. I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but I am interested to hear others opinion. This has certainly been discussed: enforce the same template for NL pages, same look and feel, same base content. But then have a portion of the page be reserved for locale-specific concerns. For example, the Arabic page has a link to Bidi specific issue. Or you might have a locale event or news story. We almost do this today for some languages, but this was based on a one-time copy of the English website. Once the copy is made the sites diverge over time. Truly using a single template, with strings resourced in Pootle, would be ideal. But do you see us integrating with Pootle in a way that allows us to update a webpage without requiring manual steps to extract Pootle resources and bring them into SVN and converted to HTML? This would really need to be automated to work for us. -Rob Regards Juergen
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
If pootle used SVN, you would at least have it in SVN automatically :-) jan. On 19 October 2012 13:51, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it makes sense at all. 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../index.hmtl .../de/index.html .../it/index.html ... .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html ... Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This makes it easy to find the related translation for any files. We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the future. 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events. But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on openoffice.apache.org or the wiki. I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but I am interested to hear others opinion. This has certainly been discussed: enforce the same template for NL pages, same look and feel, same base content. But then have a portion of the page be reserved for locale-specific concerns. For example, the Arabic page has a link to Bidi specific issue. Or you might have a locale event or news story. We almost do this today for some languages, but this was based on a one-time copy of the English website. Once the copy is made the sites diverge over time. Truly using a single template, with strings resourced in Pootle, would be ideal. But do you see us integrating with Pootle in a way that allows us to update a webpage without requiring manual steps to extract Pootle resources and bring them into SVN and converted to HTML? This would really need to be automated to work for us. -Rob Regards Juergen
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it makes sense at all. 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../index.hmtl .../de/index.html .../it/index.html ... .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html ... Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This makes it easy to find the related translation for any files. We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the future. Definitely good ideas. A defined structure for all areas would be very useful. Do we need to start a wiki page to further elaborate, or should we just go ahead with the press area for now? Opinions? 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events. But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on openoffice.apache.org or the wiki. I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but I am interested to hear others opinion. Regards Juergen -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Am 10/19/2012 10:26 AM, schrieb jan iversen: It would be a good idea to have the same structure and then one directory with country special parts...as you say it makes it easier to maintain, and with the extra directory nobody is limited. I support this idea. When we extent this also for the translated release notes like: .../rn/release_notea_aoo341.html .../de//rn/release_notea_aoo341.html .../it//rn/release_notea_aoo341.html then we can change the already existing link on the download website, from the now English only release notes to the language-related notes. Would be a nice additonal service for our users. On 19 October 2012 10:22, Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it makes sense at all. 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated pages. .../index.hmtl .../de/index.html .../it/index.html ... .../press/msg_20121019.html .../de/press/msg_20121019.html .../it/press/msg_20121019.html ... Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This makes it easy to find the related translation for any files. We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the future. 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events. But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on openoffice.apache.org or the wiki. I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but I am interested to hear others opinion. Simply +1, with the addition from above. Marcus
