Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-19 Thread S h i v
On 8/20/07, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >> I beg to differ, as a Sun customer we are going commodity all the way. We
> >> haven't bought an Enterprise system since the 3800. Currently the majority
> >> of the Machines we are deploying are x4200s and T2000s. We are also
> >> investigating VMWare ESX running Solaris in a big way. (I wonder if there
> >> is
> >> room for a vmware community group on opensolaris.org)
> >>
> > It'd be great if we could run VMWare with Solaris as the guest OS.
> >
>
> we can.  Works fine ( thus far for me ) and is actually supported.
>

Yes, it works already.
Choose "Solaris 10" as the guest OS while configuring it. But you may
go ahead with SXDE, it works.

-Shiv
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems

2007-08-19 Thread Alan Coopersmith
UNIX admin wrote:
> I wonder what it would take to change that crazy "small root, the rest for 
> /export/home/" layout?

Did you try the new installer in build 70?   It just changed
the default layout.

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Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-19 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> It'd be great if we could run VMWare with Solaris as
> the guest OS.
> 

You mean with Solaris as a "host" OS?

Does anyone have any experience on xen? thanks.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-19 Thread Dennis Clarke

>
>> I beg to differ, as a Sun customer we are going commodity all the way. We
>> haven't bought an Enterprise system since the 3800. Currently the majority
>> of the Machines we are deploying are x4200s and T2000s. We are also
>> investigating VMWare ESX running Solaris in a big way. (I wonder if there
>> is
>> room for a vmware community group on opensolaris.org)
>>
> It'd be great if we could run VMWare with Solaris as the guest OS.
>

we can.  Works fine ( thus far for me ) and is actually supported.

Dennis


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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems

2007-08-19 Thread UNIX admin
> During the install of Developer's install:
> I miss the opportunity to layout filesystems within
> my Solaris 2
> partition. After I have chosen how I want to
> partition my harddisk I
> get some inqueries regarding Location, Timezone, root
> password etc.
> after which the installer just starts deploying the
> packages.

You have to ask Dave Miner about it. He wrote a while ago that the installer 
lacks the capability to choose the filesystem layout yet, it will just go with 
the "default".

I wonder what it would take to change that crazy "small root, the rest for 
/export/home/" layout?

I mean, what good is a "default" when it has to be modified as a rule and not 
an exception?
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems

2007-08-19 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Peter Lees wrote:
> i haven't seen the pics, but my guess is that they're what the developers had 
> to hand rather than the likely final product.

Have you seen www.sun.com in the last two years?   Random photos,
sometimes claiming to show the global impact of technology, other
times inexplicable, are simply Sun's current graphical design
patten.

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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems

2007-08-19 Thread Peter Lees
> One thing that did jar me the wrong way were the
> silly childish looking
> images that were selected for the installed. I have
> no clue way anyone would
> place images of icecream and a yellow construction
> roller into an installer
> for Solaris.  In a company of vast technology that
> creates such wonders as
> the new T2 I am sure that pictures of the T2 die
> would be far more
> interesting to the target audience. Anything other
> than .. icecream.

i haven't seen the pics, but my guess is that they're what the developers had 
to hand rather than the likely final product.

there's probably also a chance that the images reflect the internal codename 
for the work
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-19 Thread Manish Chakravarty

> I beg to differ, as a Sun customer we are going commodity all the way. We
> haven't bought an Enterprise system since the 3800. Currently the majority
> of the Machines we are deploying are x4200s and T2000s. We are also
> investigating VMWare ESX running Solaris in a big way. (I wonder if there is
> room for a vmware community group on opensolaris.org)
>   
It'd be great if we could run VMWare with Solaris as the guest OS.


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Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-19 Thread Artem Kachitchkine

 > # fstyp -v  /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s2 | more
 > hsfs

Some DVDs contain two filesystems [1], hence mountable as either hsfs 
and udfs. fstyp returns the first match, and that's what HAL will use. 
One fix would be to treat these in the same fashion we treat hybrid 
data+audio media, i.e. pop a dialog asking for user's preference. A 
simpler but less generic fix would be in HAL: if libfstyp returns hsfs, 
call it again to check for udfs [2]. If anyone is willing to contribute 
code [3], I'll happily sponsor.

-Artem

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format#Media
[2] 
http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/hal/probing/volume/probe-volume.c#635
[3] http://opensolaris.org/os/communities/participation/

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Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-19 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 18:05 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 17:27 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> >> Strangly .. basic applications fail to launch.
> >>
> >> For example, I wanted to see what happens when I insert a Microsoft
> >> Windows
> >> Vista Business Edition DVD into my machine. I would expect that it
> >> would be
> >> automatically mounted but I was wrong .. snv_70 mounted the DVD as a
> >> HSFS
> >> filesystem which it is not. It is actually UDFS and there is a small
> >> readme
> >> on the DVD to that effect. I attempted to read that README ... and ..
> >> nada
> >> ..just a core file :
> >>
> >> When I insert the DVD I see this :
> >>
> >> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_000.png
> >>
> >> then when I double click on the README file I see this :
> >>
> >> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_001.png
> >>
> >> if I click on Display I get nothing but an hour glass and then ...
> >> nothing.
> >>
> >> I get a core file :
> >>
> >> $ file core
> >> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'
> >>
> >> $ rm core
> >>
> >> In fact, at this point I try to open a terminal or any other sort of
> >> application and all I get is an hour glass and then a new core file.
> >>
> >> $ file core
> >> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'
> >>
> >> If I try to use gimp ... I get even more oddity :
> >>
> >>  $ /bin/gimp
> >> This is a development version of GIMP.  Debug messages may appear
> >> here.
> >>
> >> /bin/gimp: fatal error: Segmentation Fault
> >> /bin/gimp (pid:12317): [E]xit, [H]alt, show [S]tack trace or
> >> [P]roceed: P
> >>
> >> I can use the gimp 2.2.12 from Blastwave as well as SeaMonkey 1.1.4
> >> but I
> >> can not start a terminal or gimp or much of anything now with snv_70.
> >>
> >> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_002.png
> >>
> >> I feel like I installed SeaMonkey and then ran into some strange
> >> conflict.
> >>
> >> This all began because someone had filed and email to the Blastwave
> >> users
> >> maillist that described some font problems with evince but I can not
> >> reproduce the problem here. I get a perfect looking document with the
> >> provided evince in snv_70 :
> >>
> >>http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_081.png
> >>
> >> as well as version 0.9.0 from Blastwave
> >>
> >>http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_090.png
> >>
> >> from there on in .. things get weird as I try to open up new
> >> applications.
> >
> > Everything is working nicely here - mind you, I did a clean install.
> >
> 
> me too
> 
> at this point .. not much is working and I suspect a rat in there somewhere.
> I can not do the most simple things like open a terminal. Nothing seems to
> start and I don't want ot shut down my current working apps which consists
> of a browser and two xterms.
> 
> I did manage to mount the Microsoft Vista DVD as a UDF filesystem just for a
> lark :  http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_003.png
> 
> but nothing here is working very well ... I better get that Microsoft DVD
> out of there! I was hoping to install it under QEMU but at this point I
> think that is just not going to happen.
> 
> I may just go back to square zero and reinstall.
> 
> Dennis
> 

Interesting, the only insane thing I did with the creation of a standard
user account was to add every profile under the sun to the user account
- I wonder if they would make a difference?

Matthew

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Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-19 Thread Lars Tunkrans
Dennis ,  I agree   with you  that  SNV70   is not  mounting  a Vista UDFS  dvd 
 correctly 

I did a clean Install of Snv_70  on a new disc ( a 10.000 rpm  disc which  
contributes 
nicely to the speed  of the system btw ) 

The automount  by HAL  and rmmount did not mount the UDF  filesystem 

All it did was mounting a HSFS  where  a little text file " readme.txt"  with 
the following message appeared. 

"This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system

that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification."



Only after  I did the below  command  could I see the files on the UDF  disc. 

# mount -F udfs -o ro /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s2 /mnt

and even then  fstyp(1M)   reports that its a HSFS   file system 

# fstyp -v  /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s2 | more
hsfs
CD-ROM is in ISO 9660 format
System id: 
Volume id: LRMCXFRE_EN_DVD
Volume set id: LRMCXFRE_EN_DVD
Publisher id: MICROSOFT CORPORATION
Data preparer id: MICROSOFT CORPORATION, ONE MICROSOFT WAY, REDMOND WA 98052, 
(425) 882-8080
Application id: CDIMAGE 2.52 (03/09/2004 TM)
Copyright File id: 
Abstract File id: 
Bibliographic File id: 
Volume set size is 1
Volume set sequence number is 1
Logical block size is 2048
Volume size is 1853755
---
Media format  detection is obviously  not working   with UDF. 

  //Lars
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Gathering support to replace the current DHCP

2007-08-19 Thread Allen Wittenauer

On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Dave Miner wrote:
> The Netra HA suite actually does, though I may not have known it at  
> the time you asked (which I don't recall, to be honest ;-)

That's OK, it was eons ago. :)

> I'm pretty sure, though, that I would have pointed anyone who asked  
> at the DHCP Service Developer's Guide on docs.sun.com, which does  
> have some rudimentary examples and a pointer to download the ASCII  
> files code

Right.  Which, when we went to look, pointed to a location that no  
longer existed. :/  Given that I was internal at the time, your next  
recommendation was to go look at the files implementation.  At which  
point I lost interested and started looking at using ISC...

> (a setup which is somewhat obsolete now that we've got OpenSolaris).

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Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-19 Thread Dennis Clarke

> On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 17:27 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
>> Strangly .. basic applications fail to launch.
>>
>> For example, I wanted to see what happens when I insert a Microsoft
>> Windows
>> Vista Business Edition DVD into my machine. I would expect that it
>> would be
>> automatically mounted but I was wrong .. snv_70 mounted the DVD as a
>> HSFS
>> filesystem which it is not. It is actually UDFS and there is a small
>> readme
>> on the DVD to that effect. I attempted to read that README ... and ..
>> nada
>> ..just a core file :
>>
>> When I insert the DVD I see this :
>>
>> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_000.png
>>
>> then when I double click on the README file I see this :
>>
>> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_001.png
>>
>> if I click on Display I get nothing but an hour glass and then ...
>> nothing.
>>
>> I get a core file :
>>
>> $ file core
>> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'
>>
>> $ rm core
>>
>> In fact, at this point I try to open a terminal or any other sort of
>> application and all I get is an hour glass and then a new core file.
>>
>> $ file core
>> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'
>>
>> If I try to use gimp ... I get even more oddity :
>>
>>  $ /bin/gimp
>> This is a development version of GIMP.  Debug messages may appear
>> here.
>>
>> /bin/gimp: fatal error: Segmentation Fault
>> /bin/gimp (pid:12317): [E]xit, [H]alt, show [S]tack trace or
>> [P]roceed: P
>>
>> I can use the gimp 2.2.12 from Blastwave as well as SeaMonkey 1.1.4
>> but I
>> can not start a terminal or gimp or much of anything now with snv_70.
>>
>> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_002.png
>>
>> I feel like I installed SeaMonkey and then ran into some strange
>> conflict.
>>
>> This all began because someone had filed and email to the Blastwave
>> users
>> maillist that described some font problems with evince but I can not
>> reproduce the problem here. I get a perfect looking document with the
>> provided evince in snv_70 :
>>
>>http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_081.png
>>
>> as well as version 0.9.0 from Blastwave
>>
>>http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_090.png
>>
>> from there on in .. things get weird as I try to open up new
>> applications.
>
> Everything is working nicely here - mind you, I did a clean install.
>

me too

at this point .. not much is working and I suspect a rat in there somewhere.
I can not do the most simple things like open a terminal. Nothing seems to
start and I don't want ot shut down my current working apps which consists
of a browser and two xterms.

I did manage to mount the Microsoft Vista DVD as a UDF filesystem just for a
lark :  http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_003.png

but nothing here is working very well ... I better get that Microsoft DVD
out of there! I was hoping to install it under QEMU but at this point I
think that is just not going to happen.

I may just go back to square zero and reinstall.

Dennis

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Re: [osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-19 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 17:27 -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> Strangly .. basic applications fail to launch.
> 
> For example, I wanted to see what happens when I insert a Microsoft
> Windows
> Vista Business Edition DVD into my machine. I would expect that it
> would be
> automatically mounted but I was wrong .. snv_70 mounted the DVD as a
> HSFS
> filesystem which it is not. It is actually UDFS and there is a small
> readme
> on the DVD to that effect. I attempted to read that README ... and ..
> nada
> ..just a core file :
> 
> When I insert the DVD I see this :
> 
> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_000.png
> 
> then when I double click on the README file I see this :
> 
> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_001.png
> 
> if I click on Display I get nothing but an hour glass and then ...
> nothing.
> 
> I get a core file :
> 
> $ file core
> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'
> 
> $ rm core
> 
> In fact, at this point I try to open a terminal or any other sort of
> application and all I get is an hour glass and then a new core file.
> 
> $ file core
> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'
> 
> If I try to use gimp ... I get even more oddity :
> 
>  $ /bin/gimp
> This is a development version of GIMP.  Debug messages may appear
> here.
> 
> /bin/gimp: fatal error: Segmentation Fault
> /bin/gimp (pid:12317): [E]xit, [H]alt, show [S]tack trace or
> [P]roceed: P
> 
> I can use the gimp 2.2.12 from Blastwave as well as SeaMonkey 1.1.4
> but I
> can not start a terminal or gimp or much of anything now with snv_70.
> 
> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_002.png
> 
> I feel like I installed SeaMonkey and then ran into some strange
> conflict.
> 
> This all began because someone had filed and email to the Blastwave
> users
> maillist that described some font problems with evince but I can not
> reproduce the problem here. I get a perfect looking document with the
> provided evince in snv_70 :
> 
>http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_081.png
> 
> as well as version 0.9.0 from Blastwave
> 
>http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_090.png
> 
> from there on in .. things get weird as I try to open up new
> applications.

Everything is working nicely here - mind you, I did a clean install.

Matthew

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Re: [osol-discuss] Best option for my home file server?

2007-08-19 Thread Alan Burlison
MC wrote:

> This is a good post for the help forum. :)

Yes, please move this thread onto opensolaris-help - thanks!

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[osol-discuss] snv_70 odd behavior

2007-08-19 Thread Dennis Clarke

Strangly .. basic applications fail to launch.

For example, I wanted to see what happens when I insert a Microsoft Windows
Vista Business Edition DVD into my machine. I would expect that it would be
automatically mounted but I was wrong .. snv_70 mounted the DVD as a HSFS
filesystem which it is not. It is actually UDFS and there is a small readme
on the DVD to that effect. I attempted to read that README ... and .. nada
..just a core file :

When I insert the DVD I see this :

http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_000.png

then when I double click on the README file I see this :

http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_001.png

if I click on Display I get nothing but an hour glass and then ... nothing.

I get a core file :

$ file core
core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'

$ rm core

In fact, at this point I try to open a terminal or any other sort of
application and all I get is an hour glass and then a new core file.

$ file core
core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'

If I try to use gimp ... I get even more oddity :

 $ /bin/gimp
This is a development version of GIMP.  Debug messages may appear here.

/bin/gimp: fatal error: Segmentation Fault
/bin/gimp (pid:12317): [E]xit, [H]alt, show [S]tack trace or [P]roceed: P

I can use the gimp 2.2.12 from Blastwave as well as SeaMonkey 1.1.4 but I
can not start a terminal or gimp or much of anything now with snv_70.

http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/snv_70_002.png

I feel like I installed SeaMonkey and then ran into some strange conflict.

This all began because someone had filed and email to the Blastwave users
maillist that described some font problems with evince but I can not
reproduce the problem here. I get a perfect looking document with the
provided evince in snv_70 :

   http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_081.png

as well as version 0.9.0 from Blastwave

   http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/evince_090.png

from there on in .. things get weird as I try to open up new applications.

Dennis Clarke

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Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-19 Thread Alan Burlison
Alan Coopersmith wrote:

>> Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately
>> open-source code without getting permission from Novell.
> 
> And no one here is likely to divulge the contents of confidential
> contracts signed between Sun and other companies either.   Sun's
> lawyers and execs know the details, most of the rest of us don't.

100% correct.  I wrote the software used to manage the Legal Due 
Diligence we did before we opened, Solaris, and I certainly don't know 
the details of all the contracts, nor do I particularly wish to.

I've seen a lot of statements made both here and elsewhere on the web, 
some of them are based on published fact, but many of them are no more 
than speculation.  I'm slightly concerned by some of the statements made 
on lists hosted on opensolaris.org, because people may assume (because 
of the source) that they carry more weight than they actually do.

I'd therefore request that we just stick to what we *do* know and leave 
the speculation to other people.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Fonts looking bad vs Windows?

2007-08-19 Thread Orvar Korvar
No offense taken, I just feel generally bad pestering the Solaris developers. 
On topic: here is a closeup of Vista, Mac and Ubuntu fonts. It would be 
interesting to see Solaris fonts too? And maybe mail the blogger?
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Re: [osol-discuss] Gathering support to replace the current DHCP

2007-08-19 Thread Greg Potts
> Allen Wittenauer wrote:
> ...
> > As a sidenote, while the Solaris DHCP server
> back-end is supposed to
> > be pluggable, example code was (and probably still
> is) non-existent
> > unless you grovel through the (Open)Solaris
> codebase.  When I last
> > asked Dave Miner about it a few years ago, he said
> he didn't know of
> > anyone that actually implemented one either
> > 
> 
> The Netra HA suite actually does, though I may not
> have known it at the 
> time you asked (which I don't recall, to be honest
> ;-)
> 
> I'm pretty sure, though, that I would have pointed
> anyone who asked at 
> the DHCP Service Developer's Guide on docs.sun.com,
> which does have some 
> rudimentary examples and a pointer to download the
> ASCII files code (a 
> setup which is somewhat obsolete now that we've got
> OpenSolaris).
> 
> Dave
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The point is what's the point of an API that very few are willing to use. Even 
with Sun's own attempts to market added value to the existing net installation 
framework (namely N1OSP) they choose ISC over the in house implementation, 
stating that there where insurmountable issue that required ISC.

Sun would do well to follow what they did with netsnmp and other Community SW 
distro's, to work to improve the community code to get it where they feel 
comfortable integrating it into their core OS, rather than fairing off on yet 
another partially implemented solution that is used more in house then by their 
customer base. Also the bandwidth required would most likely be less then it 
would take to catch up the existing code to the capabilities already in ISC.

I would be one of the first say that ISC is far from perfect, but given the 
choice I would choose it over Sun's.

-Greg
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems

2007-08-19 Thread Dennis Clarke

> Hey all,
>
> I just downloaded the DVD and CD version of SXCE70 and this is my
> experience so far:
>
> First of all, the new installer looks flashy and neat. I like the looks

I think it is a giant leap in the right direction but I really do hope that
the old text based console installer is still in there as per usual. Also, I
think that many corporations have well established install scripts and
installation SOP procedures. I hope those will still be valid, for a while
at least.

> Then some things I bumped into during the installation.
>
> CD media:
>  - Grub presents you the option to use the Developer's install or the
> "normal" installer. The Developers install is the default, but,
> Developer''s install is only available for DVD media, not CD media and
> it will give you an appropiate error message when trying to select the
> Developer's install anyway.

I only tried the DVD media, thus far.  I'll wait until build 70b is released
to install into a Sparc based server.

> During the install of Developer's install:
> I miss the opportunity to layout filesystems

yes, that was a glaring omission. I looked for some button that said
"details" or "advanced" but there was no such path to follow.

> within my Solaris 2 partition. After I have chosen how I want to
> partition my harddisk I
> get some inqueries regarding Location, Timezone, root password etc.
> after which the installer just starts deploying the packages.

Indeed, however there were some other new items that don't grant the user
sufficient flexibility.  I was asked about a new user but there was no way
to specify a new group, new project, gid and uid so therefore I see no
reason to enter my own user information. I keep the same uid/gid from system
to system consistent. Also, I do not know if it is possible to simply skip
that step entirely. So I ended up created some bogus user named "foodoo". A
simply userdel -r foodoo will fix this after first boot.


> I am pretty sure I was able to layout filesystems with SXDE 68 and 69.

I seem to recall the same. I have those DVD's here also and I may just give
it a try ... again.

> The installer for the "normal" installation is still the java/CDE
> installer, is this correct? This is what I actually use for the moment
> since it does allow me to lay out file systems..

I booted the snv_70 DVD and selected the "other" install option. These are
just options via GRUB anyways but .. they lead to different places. The CDE
installed is indeed still there.

One thing that did jar me the wrong way were the silly childish looking
images that were selected for the installed. I have no clue way anyone would
place images of icecream and a yellow construction roller into an installer
for Solaris.  In a company of vast technology that creates such wonders as
the new T2 I am sure that pictures of the T2 die would be far more
interesting to the target audience. Anything other than .. icecream.

That is my honest feedback.

Dennis
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[osol-discuss] Java package name allocations

2007-08-19 Thread Peter Tribble
Is there a registry of java package names, to avoid name clashes?

For example, in jkstat, can I just use org.opensolaris.jkstat?

(And what's the difference between org.opensolaris and org.opensolaris.os?)

It strikes me that there ought to be a central list of package names
so that we can avoid conflicts. (Using the project name as the last
component seems reasonable, as project names ought to be unique.)

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Re: [osol-discuss] Where can I ask questions regarding OS/NET, please?

2007-08-19 Thread Stephen Lau
Gueven Bay wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have a question regarding the "main" consolidation but I cannot find a 
> proper forum to ask it there. 
> I went here:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/onnv/discussions/
> the discussion page of the project OS/Net but there is not a forum
> then I went here:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/
> there is no "Discussion" page linked from the left-hand side of the page.
> 
> So, please, tell me where I can find a forum for the consolidation.

Best place at the moment is probably [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> My question is - maybe someone just can clear it here - : It must be possible 
> to make a small installation of SXCE to compile on-src (I made nightly 
> compilations based on fully installed SXCE already, but I want to minimize 
> the installation now) . Which minimal set of packages should I choose for 
> installation if my goal is then to compile the sources (with gcc)? 
> Or other way around:
> If I look into the packages definitions directory in the sources tree and 
> then just take these packages out from the SXCE CDs. Are these packages 
> legally redistributable?

Nope - nothing on the SXCE CD/DVD is legally redistributable.

cheers,
steve
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[osol-discuss] Where can I ask questions regarding OS/NET, please?

2007-08-19 Thread Gueven Bay
Hi folks,

I have a question regarding the "main" consolidation but I cannot find a proper 
forum to ask it there. 
I went here:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/onnv/discussions/
the discussion page of the project OS/Net but there is not a forum
then I went here:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/
there is no "Discussion" page linked from the left-hand side of the page.

So, please, tell me where I can find a forum for the consolidation.


(

My question is - maybe someone just can clear it here - : It must be possible 
to make a small installation of SXCE to compile on-src (I made nightly 
compilations based on fully installed SXCE already, but I want to minimize the 
installation now) . Which minimal set of packages should I choose for 
installation if my goal is then to compile the sources (with gcc)? 
Or other way around:
If I look into the packages definitions directory in the sources tree and then 
just take these packages out from the SXCE CDs. Are these packages legally 
redistributable?

)


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Re: [osol-discuss] sol-nv-b70-x86-dvd-iso zip files failed to

2007-08-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> > I hope you all know that you may write the CD with:
> >> >
> >> > cdrecord -v  sol-nv-b70-sparc-dvd-iso-?
> >> >
> >> > as cdrecord combines several files to a single
> >> track on a DVD.
> >>
> >> great feature !
> >
> > Ha! With this hint, I was able to find the relevant part in the cdrecord
> > manpage:
> >
> > " To record a pure CD-DA (audio) at single  speed,  with  each
> >  track   contained   in   a   file   named   track01.cdaudio,
> >  track02.cdaudio, etc:
> >
> >  cdrecord -v speed=1 dev=2,0 -audio track*.cdaudio
> >
> >  . . . "

I don't see that this is related to DVD writing!

This is something that would need a rework. This is a quote of a 10 year old 
part of ther manual page. speed=1 is definitely no longer senseful with current
drives. Most CD drives cannot write slower than 8x.

Also -audio is only needed in rare exceptions when you have RAW audio without 
headers that allow cdrecord to find out that this is an audio file.

A few lines later...

 To copy an audio CD in the most accurate way, first run

 cdda2wav dev=2,0 -vall cddb=0 -B -Owav

 and then run

 cdrecord dev=2,0 -v -dao -useinfo -text  *.wav


> > Perhaps if I visit this forum frequent enough, I will be able to learn more
> > undocumented tricks ...

>From the cdrecord man page:
->

 mented.  In -clone mode, a single file contains all data for
 the whole disk.  To allow DVD writing on platforms  that  do
 not  implement large file support, cdrecord concatenates all
 file arguments to a single track when writing to DVD media.

GENERAL OPTIONS
 General options must be before any track file name or  track
 option.
<

As you see, this is not undocumented. As many people complain about the length 
of the cdrecord man page, some of the featureas are documented in the shortest
possible way.

The problem here seem to be the authors of various FAQs that do not properly
read the man page. They create the impression in the readers that the FAQ 
mentions the best method and that there is no other way...



> cdrecord is the *only* thing I use for burning anything to anything.
>
> It just works. If you can't do the job with cdrecord then it probably can
> not be done at all.
>
> for example of the impossible see this thing :
>
> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/Microsoft_Windows_Vista_Business_Edition_DVD_s.png
>
> It can be mounted as both a HSFS as well as UDFS DVD but in neither case can
> readcd actually read its contents. Some wild and hokey things are going on
> there for sure. I did use star to read the UDF filesystem and copy it to my
> local harddisk but without the boot magic I hardly doubt that I can PXE boot
> Windows Vista. I have no idea if it can even do such a thing at all.

If you have a DVD with intentionally unreadable sectors (some kind of childish
"copy protection"), you may always use "readcd -noerror ", as long as the 
software does not check whether these sectors are unreadable in the copy.

Jörg

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[osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems

2007-08-19 Thread Patrick Ale
Hey all,

I just downloaded the DVD and CD version of SXCE70 and this is my
experience so far:

First of all, the new installer looks flashy and neat. I like the looks :D

Then some things I bumped into during the installation.

CD media:
 - Grub presents you the option to use the Developer's install or the
"normal" installer. The Developers install is the default, but,
Developer''s install is only available for DVD media, not CD media and
it will give you an appropiate error message when trying to select the
Developer's install anyway.

During the install of Developer's install:
I miss the opportunity to layout filesystems within my Solaris 2
partition. After I have chosen how I want to partition my harddisk I
get some inqueries regarding Location, Timezone, root password etc.
after which the installer just starts deploying the packages.

I am pretty sure I was able to layout filesystems with SXDE 68 and 69.

The installer for the "normal" installation is still the java/CDE
installer, is this correct? This is what I actually use for the moment
since it does allow me to lay out file systems..

I hope this info is usefull,

Patrick / WickedWicky
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Re: [osol-discuss] Best option for my home file server?

2007-08-19 Thread MC
> Hi there,
> 
> I think I have managed to confuse myself so i am
> asking outright hoping for a straight answer. 
> 
> First, my situation. I have several disks of varying
> sizes I would like to run as redundant storage ina
> file server at home. Performance is not my number one
> priority, largest capacity possible while allowing
> for a single disk failure. Is there a soluton to my
> problem?
> 
> My understanding is as follows, JBOD does not protect
> from a disk failure. 
> 
> Raidz can only be as big as your smallest disk. For
> example if I had a 320gig with a 250gig and 200gig I
> could only have 400gig of storage.
> 
> I know it's not exactly an enterprise level question
> but it would help my understanding a lot. 
> 
> I just want to be sure that buying new disks of equal
> size is not my only option to have a proper raidz
> configuration. 
> 
> thanks.

This is a good post for the help forum. :)

Firstly, maybe you should mention what size disks you have :)

Secondly, to protect from disk failure, you either mirror them or stripe them 
with parity.  So mirror or raid5 (raidz with zfs).  You can do these in 
opensolaris sxce as well as bsd (freenas), linux (openfiler), or windows.  
Either way you can create a RAID5/raidz with the drives and use excess space as 
non-redundant storage.  So pick your poison!
 
 
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