Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
The only bug report I find was closed by one of the pidgin maintainers from Sun's Beijing office as not possible since the QQ network owners don't allow third-party clients: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 Thanks Alan (as always), but plse see the attached screenshot (taken from Karmic): -- This message posted from opensolaris.orgattachment: Screenshot-Empathy.jpg___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
It is not a technical issue, but a legal one. I don't know if it is legal to ship a QQ client created by using reverse engineering. But I know, in 2006, Tencent filed a copyright lawsuit against Chen Shoufu (aka Soff), the author of Coral QQ, whose redistributing modified Tencent QQ was ruled illegal. He is sentenced 3 years, fine 1.2 million yuan. Ginn On Jan 27, 2010, at 4:52 PM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: The only bug report I find was closed by one of the pidgin maintainers from Sun's Beijing office as not possible since the QQ network owners don't allow third-party clients: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 Thanks Alan (as always), but plse see the attached screenshot (taken from Karmic): -- This message posted from opensolaris.org Screenshot-Empathy.jpg___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
The current plan is for 2010.03 to be based on build 134. Builds 133 134 are bug-fix-only builds to try to improve the stability and fix the critical bugs for 2010.03 - any decision about slipping the release because the quality isn't good enough would likely not be made until we see how many of the open high priority bugs are not fixed by that cutoff point, which won't be until mid-February. (The release is currently planned for end of March release, with release candidates coming out in March, not February.) Since I would like to be informed (and I believe the rest of community interestedin OpenSolaris), from your expose I could see that even 2010.03 is not final deadline fornext Release. Personally, I do not have anything against that, even though I supportthat stability is top priority issue, but I just would like to check if I understoodyou clearly? If my concerns are true how large time shift would be? Uros _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
quote The only bug report I find was closed by one of the pidgin maintainers from Sun's Beijing office as not possible since the QQ network owners don't allow third-party clients: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 /quote ICQ is not allowed on 3rd party clients too and voala it's in Pidgin in OpenSolaris so there must be different reason. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Network problem with snv_130 zones
Hi all, I've been running 111b until now, but last week I installed 130 on a machine and have tried to get zones running on it. They install up OK, but I can't seem to get them working network. I have a script I've been using without problems on snv_111b (attached for completeness) so I know they are set up in the exact same way that used to work. Anyone have any ideas about what might have changed? r...@eureka:~# zoneadm list | grep jira eureka-jira r...@eureka:~# ifconfig e1000g1:1 e1000g1:1: flags=1000843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4 mtu 1500 index 3 zone eureka-jira inet 192.168.1.80 netmask ff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 r...@eureka-jira:~# ping 192.168.1.1 no answer from 192.168.1.1 r...@eureka-jira:~# ifconfig -a lo0:1: flags=2001000849UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4,VIRTUAL mtu 8232 index 1 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff00 e1000g1:1: flags=1000843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4 mtu 1500 index 3 inet 192.168.1.80 netmask ff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 lo0:1: flags=2002000849UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv6,VIRTUAL mtu 8252 index 1 inet6 ::1/128 r...@eureka-jira:~# netstat -r Routing Table: IPv4 Destination Gateway Flags Ref Use Interface - - -- - default 192.168.1.1 UG1 41248 e1000g1 localhostlocalhostUH2 0 lo0 192.168.1.0 eureka-jira U 2 0 e1000g1 Routing Table: IPv6 Destination/MaskGateway Flags Ref UseIf --- --- - --- --- - localhost localhost UH 2 0 lo0 -- Peter Bortas zonecreator.sh Description: Bourne shell script ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
It is not a technical issue, but a legal one. I don't know if it is legal to ship a QQ client created by using reverse engineering. But I know, in 2006, Tencent filed a copyright lawsuit against Chen Shoufu (aka Soff), the author of Coral QQ, whose redistributing modified Tencent QQ was ruled illegal. He is sentenced 3 years, fine 1.2 million yuan. Ginn I don't want to stray too far, but I can see some dire consequences of engineers giving legal opinions (I am saying this as a practicing intellectual property attorney--for almost three decades). :-) But the main issue is, practically speaking, OS2010.03 is coming out in just little over a month, and most of us outsiders still don't have any idea of what or how it may look like. I am sure we all have confidence that the final product will come out in flying colors, but I don't know how the current situation may impact the planners regarding the Open portion of OpenSolaris? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: But the main issue is, practically speaking, OS2010.03 is coming out in just little over a month, and most of us outsiders still don't have any idea of what or how it may look like. We release new builds every two weeks - if you don't know what it will look like, it's only because you haven't looked. You can see just as much as most Sun employees can. -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
You can see just as much as most Sun employees can. -Alan Coopersmith- - alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System em Engineering Most of Sun's employees don't even use OpenSolaris! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
On 01/27/10 11:40 AM, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: You can see just as much as most Sun employees can. -Alan Coopersmith- - alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System em Engineering Most of Sun's employees don't even use OpenSolaris! I'm not certain what source you have for Sun's internal usage statistics to make these claims, but as has been made very clear, the SXCE releases have been discontinued internally and externally. Individuals that were using SXCE releases that wish to continue to use new development builds will have to use the OpenSolaris distribution builds going forward. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] NCP3-pNFS Experimental Released
Hi All, On behalf of the Nexenta Team, I'd like to announce the very first distribution with pNFS support. NCP3-pNFS experimental release is a distribution that uses the pNFS code drop by the opensolaris team[1]. This build is based on b121 of opensolaris. Download from: http://www.nexenta.org/projects/site/wiki/DownloadExperimental Setup Instructions: http://www.nexenta.org/projects/site/wiki/PNFS The Nexenta project is excited with this new technology. Being on the forefront of storage distributions, we will be making available more builds in the near future, and finally integrate the technology into the NCP mainline. You can checkout the latest sources via hg clone http://hg.nexenta.org/pnfs-gate pNFS --- pNFS improves on the well known NFS protocol by allowing data access from multiple machines to improve access time and bandwidth. From official site [0]: Parallel NFS (pNFS) is a part of the NFS v4.1 standard that allows clients to access storage devices directly and in parallel. The pNFS architecture eliminates the scalability and performance issues associated with NFS servers in deployment today. This is achieved by the separation of data and metadata, and moving the metadata server out of the data path. pNFS is important because it brings together the benefits of parallel I/O with the benefits of the ubiquitous standard for network file systems (NFS). This will allow users to experience increased performance and scalability in their storage infrastructure with the added assurance that their investment is safe and their ability to choose best-of-breed solutions remains intact. Links --- [0] Information on the pNFS standard, and implementations: http://www.pnfs.com/ [1] Opensolaris implementaion of pNFS http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+nfsv41/ [2] Nexenta project tracking the pNFS gate http://www.nexenta.org/projects/pnfs-gate [3] Questions, Help and Support http://www.nexenta.org/projects/site/boards [4] IRC #nexenta on freenode. Note: This is an _experimental_ build, and as such is not ready for production, and you can report issues on the project site [2]. We welcome your contributions to the project. Spread the word! Thanks, The Nexenta Team ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
BTW the webcast of the Oracle/Sun strategy session is still going on: http://tinyurl.com/os-012710 I have to take off now. If anyone hears anything about OpenSolaris, please let us know. Thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 10:54 -0800, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: BTW the webcast of the Oracle/Sun strategy session is still going on: http://tinyurl.com/os-012710 I have to take off now. If anyone hears anything about OpenSolaris, please let us know. Thanks. I just missed the OS/Visualization strategy talk, my boss came in. Here are my highlights that caught my attention so far! - VirtualBox lives - OpenOffice lives - NetBeans lives as a lightweight Java IDE - Solaris Lives - SPARC still lives and will be enhanced ( over 50% of Oracle DB run on Sun/Solaris SPARC!!! ) - X86/X64 focused on enterprise class servers and clusters 7000 Storage Appliance (ZFS based) - lives on tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 storage support, will be greatly enhanced. More Flash storage investment Hardware: Sun will move to built to order, from a built to stock model Anyone have anymore info from the OS/Visualization strategy session? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
Given that Oracle's acquisition of Sun is now all, for all practical purposes, a done deal, does anybody know what's going to happen to OpenSolaris? Oracle is not exactly known as being friendly to open source software and given that the SPARC+Solaris+Oracle stack is likely to be at the core of Oracle's business model, I'm worried that OpenSolaris is going to go away. This seems especially likely given that Oracle PR folks didn't even mention OpenSolaris when they discussed the future of various Sun FOSS projects earlier today. I've never really used it in a serious context, but I have experimented with it and would be quite saddened if Oracle were to kill it off! Mike ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
Michael Kerpan wrote: Oracle is not exactly known as being friendly to open source software Oracle has bought a number of companies making open source before, have they killed any of those? BerkeleyDB and InnoDB still seem to be around. Oracle has been contributing to a number of open source projects as well for years - Linux, Eclipse, Xen, etc. See http://www.oracle.com/opensource/ and http://oss.oracle.com/ How has Oracle been unfriendly to open source? -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
I missed the webcast. What specifically were the operating systems and virtualization roadmaps? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris on Apple A4 SoC?
Do you thing that it is possible? From technicalside and from legal (intellectual property rights),as well? Uros -Man is the lowest-cost, 150-pound, nonlinear, all-purpose computer system which can be mass-produced by unskilled labor.-NASA in 1965 _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
Gary Bainbridge wrote: I missed the webcast. What specifically were the operating systems and virtualization roadmaps? Specific topic webcasts appear to be available for on-demand viewing at: http://www.oracle.com/events/productstrategy/index.html I haven't had a chance to watch any yet. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
Oracle is not exactly known as being friendly to open source software This statement is not exactly fair. Oracle has been one of the major contributors to the Linux kernel. Also, Oracle was the first elite company to port its mainstream products to the Linux platform (this move gave Linux instant credibility, not unlike what Sun did for AMD's Opteron). Many of the Linux old farts like myself still remember this heroic move by Larry Ellison; however, I am not seeing AMD reciprocating Sun's favor (regarding providing enhanced ATI driver for Solaris). Oracle people often mentioned that one of the main reasons they like Linux is that it is easy to find Linux administrators. Based on this logic, it would be very unwise to eof OpenSolaris, as doing so will cut off the supply of new blood for Solaris adms (assuming that OpenSolaris is architectured to bring in new bloods). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
Though they never mentioned abt opensolaris. This OS webcast shows opensolaris.org site in there. -- This message posted from opensolaris.orgattachment: Oracle-Sun-Opensolaris.jpg___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
Will Oracle support Java and OpenSolaris User Groups, as Sun has? [i]Yes, Oracle will indeed enthusiastically support the Java User Groups, OpenSolaris User Groups, and other Sun-related user group communities (including the Java Champions), just as Oracle actively supports hundreds of product-oriented user groups today. We will be reaching out to these groups soon. [/i] http://www.oracle.com/technology/community/sun-oracle-community-continuity.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
Well, I'm glad SUN decided to open source solaris years ago. Does anybody know if opensolaris will remain under the CDDL? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
It is not a technical issue, but a legal one. I don't know if it is legal to ship a QQ client created by using reverse engineering. But I know, in 2006, Tencent filed a copyright lawsuit against Chen Shoufu (aka Soff), the author of Coral QQ, whose redistributing modified Tencent QQ was ruled illegal. He is sentenced 3 years, fine 1.2 million yuan. Ginn Hi Ginn, I didn't mean to be rude, I was actually watching the webcast when I made my reply--I am too senile to do multiple tasking. What I meant to say is that the Chen Shoufu case has nothing to do with what Ubuntu is doing (and hopefully OpenSolaris will be able to duplicate or even do better). Chen Shoufu was doing OK when he was writing--and making available for downloading--extensions for Tencent QQ (he was found not guilty on this count). But, as I understand it, Chen Shoufu became impatient ( some say greedy) and began wrapping his extensions around at least some of the QQ code ( replacing the Tencent ads with his own ads), and making the combined package available. This is clearly a copyright violation. As you mentioned, the QQ client has been reverse engineered to show the involved protocol. I know we have many software experts here, and you don't have to look at a code to figure out the protocol. Since a copyright protection does not extend to functionality--I am sure we all know this, writing a software implementing the QQ client protocol is not a copyright violation. Actually, there is even a QQ client written in java. :-) However, the open source version of the QQ client is known to have limited features (though it should be good enough for inclusion in OpenSolaris). But as I am sure you are aware, Tencent actually provides QQ clients for various platforms, including Linux. Most Linux distros avoid the proprietary Tencent version, and I was hoping that perhaps we can sweet talk Tencent into writing a Solaris version. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
does anybody know what's going to happen to OpenSolaris? OpenSolaris is listed here: http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/solaris/index.html Though it says nothing about Oracle plans there. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
While OpenSolaris is already open source (mostly), there were some plans within Sun to open source more technologies, but Sun didn't get to it because of the merger. In particular - Sun Studio, C++ compiler etc. Interesting what are Oracle intentions in regards to keeping those plans? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
While OpenSolaris is already open source (mostly), there were some plans within Sun to open source more technologies, but Sun didn't get to it because of the merger. In particular - Sun Studio, C++ compiler etc. Interesting what are Oracle intentions in regards to keeping those plans? I believe the main issue is not--in case the unthinkable happens--whether Oracle will open source more technologies, but, as another poster mentioned, will Oracle continue to license update/upgrade of the existing code under the CDDL license. All of Sun's open-sourced code is under dual license, meaning that Oracle can continue to develop Sun's technologies under a proprietary license, but freeze the CDDL'd code at its current state. Of course, anyone can fork the Solaris kernel under the CDDL scheme. But the possibility is zero. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What's Going to Happen to OpenSolaris?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM, W. Wayne Liauh w...@hawaiilinux.us wrote: While OpenSolaris is already open source (mostly), there were some plans within Sun to open source more technologies, but Sun didn't get to it because of the merger. In particular - Sun Studio, C++ compiler etc. Interesting what are Oracle intentions in regards to keeping those plans? I believe the main issue is not--in case the unthinkable happens--whether Oracle will open source more technologies, but, as another poster mentioned, will Oracle continue to license update/upgrade of the existing code under the CDDL license. All of Sun's open-sourced code is under dual license, meaning that Oracle can continue to develop Sun's technologies under a proprietary license, but freeze the CDDL'd code at its current state. Of course, anyone can fork the Solaris kernel under the CDDL scheme. But the possibility is zero. Sun has already been doing that. If you pay for support and use the support repository, you are using a closed fork. Since OpenSolaris-dev and OpenSolaris-support are pretty close together temporally, this isn't a big deal. You can look at a snapshot of the snv_111 code and the list of fixes applied to get a pretty good idea of what the code looks like. After several years and potentially thousands of fixes, a lot of the benefit of the open source roots is lost. While the typical customer doesn't have an interest in modifying the code, many have an interest in looking at it to understand observed behavior or to aid in writing dtrace scripts that journey into fbt probes. As the years have passed since the fork between what became Solaris 10 and what became OpenSolaris, I have increasingly less confidence that looking at any version of OpenSolaris code will allow me to really understand what is happening on a Solaris 10 system. That is, as the number of fixes and features included in Solaris 10 increases, the value of the open source roots decreases. I have always expected that the same will happen with Solaris 10+1 (11g?). I have consistently asked Sun to make the code for supported OS's available to customers, even if it is under a license other than the CDDL. I encourage others to make similar requests. -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] libkstat corruption
Hello Something strange just happened to me, on my brand fresh installed osol-b131 system. libstat was corrupted while I was just using kstat. suddenly issuing kstat -n cpu_info0 gave a segfault. the libkstat has zero length reboot stops complaining about libkstat corruption any idea ? It seems strange and worrying that just using a command like kstat can corrupt some core library file ? the only explanation I can think of is I was running conky, which uses kstat lib I guess... Thanks for any pointer -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] libkstat corruption
Well, I copied the file back from live-cd so I'm back online. Investigating, I found in the console output (when it happend) : [output of kstat|grep misc] amber ~ # libkstat.so.1 = /usr/lib/libkstat.so.1 bash: libkstat.so.1: command not found amber ~ # kstat -n cpu_info0 Can't load '/usr/perl5/5.8.4/lib/i86pc-solaris-64int/auto/Sun/Solaris/Kstat/Kstat.so' for module Sun::Solaris::Kstat: ld.so.1: perl: fatal: /lib/libkstat.so.1: unknown file type at /usr/perl5/5.8.4/lib/i86pc-solaris-64int/DynaLoader.pm line 230. at /usr/bin/kstat line 37 Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/kstat line 37. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/kstat line 37. So I might have issued some toxic command (with copy/paste maybe ?) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
