Re: [osol-discuss] /usr/src in 2010.03 or later?

[Moinak Ghosh]

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Richard L. Hamilton  wrote:
[..]> If one were to produce a self-hosting source distro, I think it should
> take maximum advantage of zfs snapshots/clones; that would allow
> easily reverting any change that turned out not to work (provided it
> didn't corrupt the zpool!) without resorting to throwaway VMs or LDOMs
> for initial testing (for those of us that can't afford server farms for that).

   BeleniX have been a self-hosting source-built distro for quite some time
   now and have been using the simplified auto-builder. Every component
   in BeleniX have been built from source on BeleniX itself (except for the
   OpenSolaris binary-only components of course). BeleniX also uses the
   Caiman libraries providing the same ZFS snapshot based resumeable
   upgrades as OpenSolaris itself.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

[HeCSa]

Hi, Uros!
I totally agree with this point of view.
Let's see it in this way...it's more a reality than a point of view.
I (we) sent emails to the "assigned" Oracle employee to deal with the 
communities, but didn't receive an answer in more than a month, or maybe 
more time.
The results of our emails? Nothing. Neither an email saying "ACK", nor 
an email with a plan for the future. They just ignore every communication.
And the problem is not that we have signs for OpenSolaris to be stopped 
from being developed (by Oracle, of course)...there is no sign at all!
Of course we'll continue leading our communities to grow in the way we 
dreamed, this lack of contact between Oracle and the communities does 
not give us more than a lot of autonomy to do it, and grow independently 
of what a company does.
But avoid surprises, if they continue with this policy they will not 
have anybody to communicate with when deciding to do so. We will have 
our own path, every day more and more independent from what they think 
is their.

Best regards, my friend!

HeCSa.



On 04/ 3/10 05:57 PM, Uros Nedic wrote:

Hello Volker,

  Officially they published that they will continue to support Java, 
OpenSolaris, NetBeans,
Oracle and Independent Oracle UGs but reality is completely different. 
They do not
interact with us (Leaders, at least) as Teresa did all the time, they 
do not send *any*
promotional material, some of UGs has to have some money to pay for 
their meeting
spaces, and they do not reply to questions asked via mailing-lists 
(except developers that
did it before and was employed by SUN). I do not know how to explain 
this situation

but "ignoring" or "not supporting UGs".

  By the way, it is nice to hear that you are alive :).


Uros




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> CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?
>
> Hello Uros!
>
>
> > their strategic decisionis not to support OSUGs anymore.
>
> Can you tell us where Oracle published this strategic decision?
>
>
> Thanks -- Volker
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Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

[Uros Nedic]

Hello Volker,
  Officially they published that they will continue to support Java, 
OpenSolaris, NetBeans,Oracle and Independent Oracle UGs but reality is 
completely different. They do notinteract with us (Leaders, at least) as Teresa 
did all the time, they do not send *any*promotional material, some of UGs has 
to have some money to pay for their meetingspaces, and they do not reply to 
questions asked via mailing-lists (except developers thatdid it before and was 
employed by SUN). I do not know how to explain this situationbut "ignoring" or 
"not supporting UGs".
  By the way, it is nice to hear that you are alive :).

Uros




> From: v...@bb-c.de
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 22:43:40 +0200
> To: ur...@live.com
> CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?
> 
> Hello Uros!
> 
> 
> > their strategic decisionis not to support OSUGs anymore.
> 
> Can you tell us where Oracle published this strategic decision?
> 
> 
> Thanks -- Volker
> -- 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

[Volker A. Brandt]

Hello Uros!


> their strategic decisionis not to support OSUGs anymore.

Can you tell us where Oracle published this strategic decision?


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Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

[Peter Jones]

I have a question..I complete boot failure (hung on blue startup) on b133 
updated...could not figure out what happened.However looking back I was using a 
flash drive usb which I removed before it failed.Could this be the same bug?
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Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

[Volker A. Brandt]

> This is getting ridiculous, it's been a week, least they could do is
> reassure us that they haven't given up on OpenSolaris.

Oh come on.

Build 135 was tagged a month ago:

http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/onnv-notify/2010-March/011579.html


Build 136 was tagged two weeks ago:

http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/onnv-notify/2010-March/011669.html


An Oracle director publicly states on Friday April 2nd that Oracle
will deliver 2010.03:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3867771/OpenSolaris-Alive-and-Well-at-Oracle.htm


> I don't mind the delay but come on Oracle, throw us a friggin' bone here.

Development continues.  They have some showstopper for 2010.03 that
they need to fix.  How many bones do you need?



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Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

[Uros Nedic]

Obviously they do not think that we (Community) are important for them at all.
ORACLE is commercial company and this is one huge mistake for them 
sincecommunity and open source oriented development would be dominant 
businessmodel in future.
I also regret that I cannot advise people in my country to use latest build 
sinceit has lot of bugs and on many computers it just resets.
Beside the fact that we planned to sponsor two additional new branches 
byrenting some space for 100 USD p.a. for each of them but their strategic 
decisionis not to support OSUGs anymore.
Uros Nedic

> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 13:26:53 -0700
> From: dvandervo...@gmail.com
> To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?
> 
> This is getting ridiculous, it's been a week, least they could do is reassure 
> us that they haven't given up on OpenSolaris.
> 
> I don't mind the delay but come on Oracle, throw us a friggin' bone here.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

[Don Quichotte]

This is getting ridiculous, it's been a week, least they could do is reassure 
us that they haven't given up on OpenSolaris.

I don't mind the delay but come on Oracle, throw us a friggin' bone here.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Save OpenSolaris (according to Katonda)

[Martin Bochnig]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Charles Hedrick  wrote:
> I understand that this is largely FUD. But can someone confirm that there is 
> a copy of all of the  open-source code someplace not under Oracle control? At 
> this point the only precaution I'd take is to make sure that there is.



Yes. I have it all on hdd.
Maybe others have it, too.
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Re: [osol-discuss] failed to add publisher?

[Alan Coopersmith]

solarg wrote:
> hello all,
> on os20xx.xx, b134, i have a problem with publishers. I want to add one
> and it fails:
> $ pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://ips.enst.fr:1 ips.enst.fr
> pkg set-publisher:
> One or more of the repository origin(s) listed below contains package
> data for localhost; not ips.enst.fr:
> 
> http://ips.enst.fr:1/
> 
> This is either because one of the repository origins is not valid for
> this publisher, or because the list of known publishers retrieved from
> the repository origin does not match the client.
> 
> i don't understand why it talks about "localhost"?

The publisher name has to match whatever you initialized the repositories
publisher name to when you created it, usually by doing:

pkgsend -s file:///tmp/example_repo create-repository \
 --set-property publisher.prefix=localhost

If you'd set publisher.prefix=ips.enst.fr, then you'd use that name.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Save OpenSolaris (according to Katonda)

[Charles Hedrick]

I understand that this is largely FUD. But can someone confirm that there is a 
copy of all of the  open-source code someplace not under Oracle control? At 
this point the only precaution I'd take is to make sure that there is.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

[Charles Hedrick]

If we're overreacting, it's based on Oracle's inability to clarify. We're 
working with our sales people. They understand that our current reading of the 
license is going to cause us to move a lot of our activity to Linux, and 
non-Sun hardware. Thus they have every incentive to clarify, if that's really 
the issue. At a certain point even if the intent was not to limit the scope of 
their systems business, I'm not sure I'm willing to deal with an organization 
whose sales team can't get answers to critical questions.

I actually find it quite reasonable for Oracle to decide that they're only 
interested in doing business with people who are willing to pay for high-end 
support. After all, Sun wasn't making enough money. We have applications for 
which the new model makes sense. But in most situations, what we used to do 
with Sun hardware and software probably doesn't fit Oracle's new concept of its 
market. That's fine. We lived through the death of DEC.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Where can I find info on the gate project? or how to fix: File "setup.py", line 1, in from setuptools import setup, find_packages

[Shawn Walker]

[moving to pkg-discuss; opensolaris-discuss BCC'd]

On 04/ 2/10 03:44 PM, Henry Pepper wrote:

Hi

I'm failing to build the 'gate' application following the instructions in:
  - http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+indiana/constructor_notes
  - 
http://blogs.sun.com/sunwg11nprg/entry/how_to_create_opensolaris_distribution1

a) Does anyone know where I can find information on the 'gate' project?


That's the pkg(5) project.  Note the checkout URI for hg said /hg/pkg/gate:

  http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+pkg


b) Does anyone have an idea on how to troubleshoot this?
   I've never worked with python, only perl.
c) Anyone has an idea of what the problem might be here?


You need to install a few developer packages, and you really need to be 
on a fairly new build such as b133+.


Once that's true, then you'll want to install a few packages:

  developer/opensolaris/pkg5
  library/python-2/setuptools-26
  runtime/python-25
  ss-dev

Building the pkg(5) gate with GNU tools currently doesn't work right, 
although it would be possible with some work.


...

Removing 
/home/cadm/pkg-gate/proto/root_i386/usr/lib/python2.6/vendor-packages/pkg-0.1-py2.6.egg-info
Writing 
/home/cadm/pkg-gate/proto/root_i386/usr/lib/python2.6/vendor-packages/pkg-0.1-py2.6.egg-info
installing Mako
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "setup.py", line 1, in
 from setuptools import setup, find_packages
ImportError: No module named setuptools


See above.

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Re: [osol-discuss] /usr/src in 2010.03 or later?

[Farid Hajji]

> It would however be nice to be able to match up a
> source and binary distro
> easily, whether to make changes, or simply to know
> one was looking at the
> right source so one correctly understood the dtrace
> fbt probes.

Yes, that was THE main reasons I'm looking for
a /usr/src tree synchronized to the base system.

> If one were to produce a self-hosting source distro,
> I think it should
> take maximum advantage of zfs snapshots/clones; that
> would allow
> easily reverting any change that turned out not to
> work (provided it
> didn't corrupt the zpool!) without resorting to
> throwaway VMs or LDOMs
> for initial testing (for those of us that can't
> afford server farms for that).

I couldn't agree more.
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Re: [osol-discuss] onnv 135 MIA? Skipped or delayed? (knock, knock) Is this Mic turned on?...

[Robert Milkowski]

On 02/04/2010 20:48, Brent Jones wrote:

We're about ready to wipe the machines, and switch to RHEL or FreeBSD.
At least those operating systems support -DELETING FILES-!

   


No, they don't - at least not with dedup.


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[osol-discuss] failed to add publisher?

[solarg]

hello all,
on os20xx.xx, b134, i have a problem with publishers. I want to add one 
and it fails:

$ pfexec pkg set-publisher -O http://ips.enst.fr:1 ips.enst.fr
pkg set-publisher:
One or more of the repository origin(s) listed below contains package 
data for localhost; not ips.enst.fr:


http://ips.enst.fr:1/

This is either because one of the repository origins is not valid for 
this publisher, or because the list of known publishers retrieved from 
the repository origin does not match the client.


i don't understand why it talks about "localhost"?
i have:
$ pkg publisher
PUBLISHER TYPE STATUS   URI
opensolaris.org  (preferred)  origin   online 
http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/
opensolaris.org  (preferred)  mirror   online 
http://pkg-na-2.opensolaris.org/dev/
contrib   origin   online 
http://pkg.opensolaris.org/contrib/
extra origin   online 
https://pkg.sun.com/opensolaris/extra/
homeunix  origin   online 
http://ips.homeunix.com:10906/
larchev  (disabled)   origin   online 
http://ips.distrans.org/


Where is "localhost" ? and yes, on this laptop, i created a local 
repository, and have a local depot server. But it runs on port .

I'm very confused.

Thanks in advance for help,

gerard
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[osol-discuss] Are mem-free Infiniband cards supported by OS (yet)?

[Justin Clift]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if Open Solaris supports the InfiniHost III Ex mem-free 
cards yet? (ie MT 25208)


Solaris seems to have support for those with memory on board, but not 
the mem free ones.


Development work seems to have been done last year to get the mem free 
ones functioning, but I'm unsure if it's made it's way into Open Solaris 
yet (even dev builds) and I'm trying to find out.


Anyone know, or know a better place I can ask? (maybe the iSer lists?)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

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