Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS

2010-08-22 Thread Edward Martinez
want to add it seems with a chage in env var users get  the opensolaris 
userland.


note:
SUN_PERSONALITY execve() system call logic implemented and it is finally allows 
Solaris-centric scripts to be executed in NexentaOS without modification


file:///tmp/wiki.html#Personalities
Personalities

The default behavior of NexentaOS is to search for execution binaries in order 
described in the PATH. Standard locations such as /usr/bin and /usr/sbin all 
populated with GNU binaries, which makes NexentaOS behave as GNU system. SUN 
binaries saved in /usr/sun/bin and /usr/sun/sbin locations and system could be 
forced to use SUN-like personality by utilizing SUN_PERSONALITY environment 
variable.

SUN_PERSONALITY execve() system call logic implemented and it is finally allows 
Solaris-centric scripts to be executed in NexentaOS without modifications.

Simple SUN_PERSONALITY=1 environment variable will switch execution paths on 
the fly to look on /usr/sun/{bin,sbin} first.

nexenta-pkgcmd package using this during alien SVR4=Debian on-the fly 
conversion to enable solaris-like environment for SVR4 maintainers scripts.

Example of usage pkgadd to add QLogic SVR4 packaged drivers:

# pkgadd -d Qlogic-x86
Transferring package instance
sunwqlc_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb generated
Transferring package instance
sunwqlcu_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb generated
(Reading database ... 62453 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace sunwqlc 5.11-1 (using
sunwqlc_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement sunwqlc ...
Preparing to replace sunwqlcu 5.11-1 (using
sunwqlcu_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement sunwqlcu ...
Setting up sunwqlc (5.11-1) ...
Reboot client to install driver.
Setting up class: none /kernel/drv/amd64/qlc
4331 blocks
Setting up class: none /kernel/drv/qlc
4331 blocks
Setting up class: qlc /kernel/drv/qlc.conf

Setting up sunwqlcu (5.11-1) ...

# dpkg -l|grep sunwqlc
ii sunwqlc 5.11-1 Qlogic ISP 2200/2202 Fibre Channel Device Dr
ii sunwqlcu 5.11-1 Qlogic Fibre Channel Adapter Utilities (usr)

Those folks who just want to use real Solaris-like environment on NexentaOS 
could simple type:

# SUN_PERSONALITY=1 sh
$

All SUN commands like ls,rm,sed,nawk,etc will be on the path even if you 
execute them with absolute path, i.e. /usr/bin/sed
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Re: [osol-discuss] SNV_142 Test DVD Blastwave's AMP stack

2010-08-22 Thread Guy Woolley
I'm using b134/32-bit OSOL

I tried to follow this procedure to upgrade to b142; everything seemed to go 
through OK but at the end I got this:


PHASEACTIONS
Removal Phase  54/54 
DOWNLOAD  PKGS   FILESXFER (MB)
Completed  259/259   4578/4578  129.3/129.3 

PHASEACTIONS
Removal Phase  2043/2043 
Install Phase  2706/2706 
Update Phase   7537/7537 
on-nightly-142.i386 has been updated successfully
Unable to activate on-nightly-142.i386.
Unknown external error.
beadm activate on-nightly-142.i386 failed: exit code 1
g...@opensolaris_b134:/opt$ 


I powered off and tried to boot on-nightly

It gets to the blue GNOME login screen, accepts username/passwd and then just 
after the mouse cursor changes to the clockface, freezes. 30 secs later it goes 
back to the GRUB screen. Fortunately b134 is still there so I can carry on as I 
am, but it would be interesting to see what b142 is like.



I'm completely in the dark as to what went wrong; Unknown external error is 
not much help to a beginner like me. Any help much appreciated.
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Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...

2010-08-22 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
 Let me add some numbers...
 
 We know, that Sun was one of the IT companies, that
 spend an enormous
 percentage of it's revenue into engineering... More
 than 10 percent. If, and
 that's now a very crude approach, we then assume,
 that that relates to 10% of
 the costs also, we can assume, that more than 10% of
 Sun's employees have been
 engineers. At the end Sun had still more than 3
 employees, so assuming,
 that a high percentage might be working on Solaris
 might provide us with an
 approach to a number close to 1000 engineerhe s... All
 very crude and rough
 speculation, I can't determine those numbers.
 

So why do you try to convince us of something that you don't even know ? 

What's your motive behind blindly defending Oracle with made up numbers in an 
OpenSolaris mailing list ? Hoping to close any deals here ? Wrong place, wrong 
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Re: [osol-discuss] places new

2010-08-22 Thread Peter Jones
I suspect that if they treat actual or potential customers that way, they
may have some problem listening to mere engineers, too. (as opposed
to parasites like MBAs maybe?)


Oracle was always going to throw out of the pram what they can't use or 
understand...this throws up many opportunities.

A new community and new sponsors are the future.And yes MBA's will be 
required..however these are experienced people not graduates!
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Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?

2010-08-22 Thread Peter Jones
Is the forum controlled by Oracle or independent?
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-22 Thread Octave Orgeron
Yeah as much as Linux folks believe Red Hat is their friend and giving 
everything away for free, you are sadly mistaken. Red Hat has always been about 
making money from Linux, make no mistake about it. And seeing how Novell is 
having issues, it's very likely that Red Hat will  continue to be the dominant 
Linux distro. While I'm saddened and extremely upset at how things have turned 
out for the OpenSolaris community, I do wonder how much the nightly updates 
have 
helped the likes of AIX and Linux over the past few years. And maybe there is 
more to that comment in the memo that was leaked. 


The good news is that the OpenSolaris code is out there and there are plenty of 
distros popping up. This is a good thing and forces the community to carry the 
torch and bring OpenSolaris to wider audiences. This is very much how Linux 
started, minus the commercial backing. It started out from bits and pieces that 
formed the SLS distro which turned into Slackware and the rest is history. The 
further OpenSolaris spreads and is molded to fit the specific needs of users 
(desktops, servers, appliances, storage back-ends, switches, etc.), the better. 
And I'm sure that Oracle will get the Solaris 11 Express program moving soon 
and 
will probably make some money. It'll definitely help generate interest in 
Solaris 11, the same way that the betas for Solaris 10 did for many of Sun's 
largest customers. 


I don't agree with the OpenSolaris distribution being killed off. I personally 
believe that Sun should have taken a cut of it last year and released Solaris 
11. It's more stable than Solaris 10 was when it was released. The thing that 
always bugged me about the OpenSolaris distribution is that it wasn't pieced 
together or controlled by the community. We should have been at the driving 
wheel of that distribution. Instead, it went from being an in-house project to 
hijacking our efforts and pushing us as a community out of the way. Basically 
saying, here is what you're going to use and we don't care if you like the way 
we do it or not. And what did we end up with? A very desktop centric cut of the 
ON world and none of the integration we expect out of a Solaris build (look at 
the mess AI is for example over Jumpstart).

Now I can understand Oracle's concerns about having the latest and greatest out 
in the open for the competition to exploit and copy. I've seen AIX 6 struggle 
to 
reinvent itself to catch up to Solaris 10, and it still has a way to go.. but 
they have WPARs(think zones), their own trusted extensions, and even their own 
probevue (think dtrace). So the writing is on the wall. IBM is Oracle's enemy 
in 
what remains of the UNIX wars.. it's just Oracle Solaris, IBM AIX, and HP 
HP-UX. 
Oracle is trying to protect it's IP and secret sauce from being hijacked ahead 
of commercial releases. It makes good business sense and that's what Oracle is 
good at. Of course, this sucks for the rest of us who want the latest and 
greatest features in our OpenSolaris boxes and want it now!

It's been a fun ride and now things will slow down considerably here on the 
OpenSolaris.org site. It's time for the OpenSolaris based distros to shine and 
do the things that Sun and Oracle couldn't do, empower the developers, users, 
sysadmins, enthusiasts, etc. to make a better OS.



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Octave J. Orgeron
Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant
Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com
E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com
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- Original Message 
From: Shawn Walker shawn.wal...@oracle.com
To: carlopmart carlopm...@gmail.com
Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 12:04:58 PM
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 
11 Express

On 08/20/10 09:41 AM, carlopmart wrote:
 Shawn Walker wrote:
 On 08/20/10 03:26 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
 ...
 I can't see any other OS (nor M$ nor OSX) that to be licensed
 requires annual support subscription...when you buy Wins or Macs, you
 pay once for your license, that's all (unless you really want or need
 support from M$ or Apple).

 RedHat enterprise Linux requires a subscription, and you lose the
 right to use it if you stop the subscription.


 That's not correct. You lose only the support, but you can use it on
 several servers as you want and it is legal. Only lose the support (and
 the right to download updates).

See also section 5:

  https://www.redhat.com/licenses/us.html

-Shawn
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Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?

2010-08-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Peter Jones wrote:
 Is the forum controlled by Oracle or independent?

The opensolaris.org website is owned and operated by Oracle.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?

2010-08-22 Thread Jim Grisanzio

Alan Coopersmith wrote:

Peter Jones wrote:
  

Is the forum controlled by Oracle or independent?



The opensolaris.org website is owned and operated by Oracle.
  


Website Guidelines with pointers to other site info here:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/site_guidelines

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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-22 Thread Uros Nedic

Without any irony, reading all smart ideas here I felt free to
add few of them that might be useful.

1. Lets turn the name of our fork to OS-UX. Then, we wouldleave some trace of 
OpenSolaris project in the name of ourfuture work, and at the same time it 
would be shorten whichknows to be very useful in UNIX world.

2. I heard that Larry Elison is willing to give some of his
fortune. Maybe we could ask him to sponsor our future work?
TestFarm Servers, web site maintainters, etc. We could do it
on a voluntary basis but we still need some infrastructure
that has to be paid, and some marketing artwork, thatalso needs some money.

Regards,Uros




 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:37:36 -0700
 From: unixcons...@yahoo.com
 To: shawn.wal...@oracle.com; carlopm...@gmail.com
 CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
 Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with 
 Solaris 11 Express

  
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
 From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
 discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Uros Nedic
 
 1. Lets turn the name of our fork to OS-UX. Then, we wouldleave some

LOL ...  :-)

But I'm not sure you were kidding.  Are you sure you want to use a product
called O-SUX?  ;-)

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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Uros Nedic wrote:
 Without any irony, reading all smart ideas here I felt free to
 add few of them that might be useful.
 
 1. Lets turn the name of our fork to OS-UX.

You are starting a new fork?   The existing forks already have names,
chosen by the people working on them, not spectators on mailing lists.

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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-22 Thread Uros Nedic




 You are starting a new fork? The existing forks already have names,
 chosen by the people working on them, not spectators on mailing lists.


Like Oracle Solaris name is chosen by people working on it like you :).Or 
Solarix Express :).


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Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...

2010-08-22 Thread John Plocher
2010/8/20 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de

 Let me add some numbers...
 ...
 that a high percentage might be working on Solaris might provide us with an
 approach to a number close to 1000 engineers...


Of your 1000 engineers, maybe 100 were the senior leaders in innovation,
vision, drive and ability.  At Sun, the makeup of that club was
exceedingly dynamic, to be sure, but it was a meritocracy - if you were
*good* and had job/product/whatever performance to prove it, membership was
open; nobody had to leave to make room for you.

From what I have seen (and I have no visibility into the current numbers or
membership), a significant number of the distinguished engineers and fellows
that were there when Oracle took over have left.  30%?  50%?  More?  I don't
know either, but the Names that are making the headlines all come from that
small club...

IM(ns)HO, losing that many top performing engineers to the competition will
do more to harm Oracle in both the short and long run than anything that
might conceivably happen due to premature product and feature exposure due
to open source community involvement.  Nobody really cares if a company lays
off a bunch of its low level staff, but losing half of the technical
leadership of a technical company is a disaster.  Oracle may have bought the
trademarks and rights to the code, but the real value of an acquisition is
in the minds of those who produced the products in the first place - long
term engineering excellence isn't a commodity that can be cheaply purchased
or easily duplicated.

Don't forget that the easiest way to make the books look better in the short
term is to get rid of all those expensive engineers - you will immediately
see a 10%-15% rise in profitability because you no longer have to pay the
cost of development.  Of course, after 24 to 36 months of coasting, you will
be dead, but given the Street's myopic focus and short term memory, who
cares?  Just buy some other company and start everything over again...

  -John
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[osol-discuss] When's source included?

2010-08-22 Thread Andrew Greimann
A big thank you to everyone who replied. It's appreciated. :)

Basically, assessing everything said so far, to make a distro, one has to:

1. Build it from source
2. Include the binaries
3. Follow the guide for remastering

--

Or, could it be include all source and work with/on binaries, leaving 90-95% of 
the system unmodified?

Confused. I'd be more than glad to follow steps 1-3 if it meant keeping things 
totally legal I guess up to this point I thought distributing source + 
pre-compiled binaries was okay. 

Is 1-3 (compile manually + source) or the second method (from pre-compiled + 
source) correct?

Please shed more light on what it takes to make a distro legal. I'd appreciate 
it. :)

P.S. If OpenSolaris is no longer even going to be developed, as much as I don't 
like the GPL, I might have to run Linux. I hope this isn't the case. :(
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Re: [osol-discuss] When's source included?

2010-08-22 Thread John Plocher
If you build a distro and make the resulting binaries (an ISO image...)
available on a website, all you need to do is provide a compressed tar file
(or an ISO image of one) of the make cleand source tree you used - there
is no reason to make the source tree part of your binary ISO image

Since the source tree tar file will be large (and not very interesting as
time marches on), a better way is to provide a pointer to the same IllumOS
or Oracle or ... versioned mercurial repository that *you* started with and
make a gzipped file of just your diffs ('hg export' or 'hg merge' as
appropriate).  An interested developer could then grab the common/unchanged
sources from the same place you did, apply your changes and build their own
copy.

The goal is to make it so that someone else could build on your changes in
the same way you built on the work of others.

  -John


On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Greimann agreim...@live.com wrote:

 Or, could it be include all source and work with/on binaries, leaving
 90-95% of the system unmodified?
 ...
 Please shed more light on what it takes to make a distro legal. I'd
 appreciate it. :)

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Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...

2010-08-22 Thread Jason
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, John Plocher john.ploc...@gmail.com wrote:


 2010/8/20 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de

 Let me add some numbers...
 ...
 that a high percentage might be working on Solaris might provide us with
 an
 approach to a number close to 1000 engineers...

 Of your 1000 engineers, maybe 100 were the senior leaders in innovation,
 vision, drive and ability.  At Sun, the makeup of that club was
 exceedingly dynamic, to be sure, but it was a meritocracy - if you were
 *good* and had job/product/whatever performance to prove it, membership was
 open; nobody had to leave to make room for you.

 From what I have seen (and I have no visibility into the current numbers or
 membership), a significant number of the distinguished engineers and fellows
 that were there when Oracle took over have left.  30%?  50%?  More?  I don't
 know either, but the Names that are making the headlines all come from that
 small club...

 IM(ns)HO, losing that many top performing engineers to the competition will
 do more to harm Oracle in both the short and long run than anything that
 might conceivably happen due to premature product and feature exposure due
 to open source community involvement.  Nobody really cares if a company lays
 off a bunch of its low level staff, but losing half of the technical
 leadership of a technical company is a disaster.  Oracle may have bought the
 trademarks and rights to the code, but the real value of an acquisition is
 in the minds of those who produced the products in the first place - long
 term engineering excellence isn't a commodity that can be cheaply purchased
 or easily duplicated.

 Don't forget that the easiest way to make the books look better in the short
 term is to get rid of all those expensive engineers - you will immediately
 see a 10%-15% rise in profitability because you no longer have to pay the
 cost of development.  Of course, after 24 to 36 months of coasting, you will
 be dead, but given the Street's myopic focus and short term memory, who
 cares?  Just buy some other company and start everything over again...

Of course, acquisition as your growth strategy has yet to be shown to
work in the long terms as well...
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Re: [osol-discuss] The last of the 5000?

2010-08-22 Thread John Plocher
Since it seams the website team is effectively gone (see Elaine and Derek's
goodbye messages elsewhere), it may be hard to pull something like this
together.  Instead, how about a flickr tag (#opensolaris?) so anyone can
post their own pictures and mashup an image stream?

   -John


On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote:

 Would it be possible setup a page on the OpenSolaris site where we could
 upload our photos, wearing our faded and possibly too small first 5000
 T-shirts?

 Just a daft idea for the weekend,

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Re: [osol-discuss] The last of the 5000?

2010-08-22 Thread Jim Grisanzio

John Plocher wrote:
Since it seams the website team is effectively gone 


The website team is intact. You can find us on website-discuss for 
general issues and website-admin for user account issues. Other info here:


Roadmap:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/roadmap

Guidelines:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/site_guidelines

CG:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+web/

User Guide:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/site-user-guide

(see Elaine and Derek's goodbye messages elsewhere), it may be hard to 
pull something like this together.  Instead, how about a flickr tag 
(#opensolaris?) 



http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/
There are about 10,000 images on flickr (and thousands more on other 
platforms).




so anyone can post their own pictures and mashup an image stream?

   -John


On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com 
mailto:i...@ianshome.com wrote:


Would it be possible setup a page on the OpenSolaris site where we
could upload our photos, wearing our faded and possibly too small
first 5000 T-shirts?

Just a daft idea for the weekend,




You can use user group spaces for this or open a page in the Advocacy 
Community. I would have to give you edit privileges to Advocacy, which I 
would be happy to do. Fickr is better for uploading photos since that`s 
the site`s main purpose, of course, and then you can create pages on 
XWiki and display the images if you want. Many people do this. But, 
nevertheless, you can upload images to os.org.


I have a slide show on the front page of Advocacy for flickr images 
tagged opensolaris:

http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+advocacy/

Also did one for TSUG and JPOSUG in Japan:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/User+Group+tsug/

And there are probably others ...

Jim



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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
 From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
 discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Uros Nedic
 
 Like Oracle Solaris name is chosen by people working on it like you
 :).Or Solarix Express :).

What's your point?

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Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS

2010-08-22 Thread William Bauer
OK, someone 'splain me somethin'

I get how Solaris and OpenSolaris work, what packages are, IPS, how to install 
stuff, and all that.  Been doing it for a couple decades.  And by the way, I'm 
still holding out hope for the Solaris 11 developer release to effectively 
replace OpenSolaris.  But I digress.

I don't understand much about Linux, so I'm very confused at how Nexenta and 
StormOS are based on Ubuntu, as the Nexenta web site says.  It seems to me 
it's based on (Open)Solaris.  What exactly is the tie-in with Ubuntu and/or 
Linux?  I find this very confusing.

Thanks, and please don't just point me to one of their web pages--that's 
already why I'm confused.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS

2010-08-22 Thread Anil Gulecha
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 PM, William Bauer bqba...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, someone 'splain me somethin'

 I get how Solaris and OpenSolaris work, what packages are, IPS, how to 
 install stuff, and all that.  Been doing it for a couple decades.  And by the 
 way, I'm still holding out hope for the Solaris 11 developer release to 
 effectively replace OpenSolaris.  But I digress.

 I don't understand much about Linux, so I'm very confused at how Nexenta and 
 StormOS are based on Ubuntu, as the Nexenta web site says.  It seems to me 
 it's based on (Open)Solaris.  What exactly is the tie-in with Ubuntu and/or 
 Linux?  I find this very confusing.


Nexenta uses apt/dpkg pacjaging system, and it provides a repository
with about 13000 Ubuntu packages ported to OpenSolaris. So it's the
Ubuntu userland on top of OpenSolaris.

~Anil
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Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS

2010-08-22 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
 OK, someone 'splain me somethin'
 
 I get how Solaris and OpenSolaris work, what packages
 are, IPS, how to install stuff, and all that.  Been
 doing it for a couple decades.  And by the way, I'm
 still holding out hope for the Solaris 11 developer
 release to effectively replace OpenSolaris.  But I
 digress.
 
 I don't understand much about Linux, so I'm very
 confused at how Nexenta and StormOS are based on
 Ubuntu, as the Nexenta web site says.  It seems to
 me it's based on (Open)Solaris.  What exactly is the
 tie-in with Ubuntu and/or Linux?  I find this very
 confusing.
 
 Thanks, and please don't just point me to one of
 their web pages--that's already why I'm confused.

The kernel is OpenSolaris; the userland (most of the commands
and such) are mostly Debian.   Thus, except for features unique
to OpenSolaris, it would be more familiar to someone accustomed
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Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS

2010-08-22 Thread William Bauer
I downloaded it out of curiosity.  Looks like it's based on 2008.11 or close?!  
uname -a contains the string NexentaOS_20081207.  The included FF is 3.0.5.  
The forum posts indicate this is a one man show.  Upon boot of the live CD, it 
complains about Gnome not being installed properly, and I ran gimp (which took 
forever to load) and it's over two years old.

All that together doesn't inspire me to put my eggs in this basket (yet).  Have 
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Re: [osol-discuss] When's source included?

2010-08-22 Thread Erik Trimble

 On 8/22/2010 4:51 PM, John Plocher wrote:
If you build a distro and make the resulting binaries (an ISO 
image...) available on a website, all you need to do is provide a 
compressed tar file (or an ISO image of one) of the make cleand 
source tree you used - there is no reason to make the source tree part 
of your binary ISO image


Since the source tree tar file will be large (and not very interesting 
as time marches on), a better way is to provide a pointer to the same 
IllumOS or Oracle or ... versioned mercurial repository that *you* 
started with and make a gzipped file of just your diffs ('hg export' 
or 'hg merge' as appropriate).  An interested developer could then 
grab the common/unchanged sources from the same place you did, apply 
your changes and build their own copy.


The goal is to make it so that someone else could build on your 
changes in the same way you built on the work of others.


  -John



John's right.  Another note here:  when I originally said you need to 
make available source for everything covered by the CDDL, I wasn't 
specific enough.  What I should have said was you need to make 
available all source for CDDL'd code *should someone ask for it*.  In 
plain English: you can distribute the binaries by themselves.  However, 
as part of the distro image, you should have a README or similar file 
which says if you want the source for this stuff, get it here and 
point to the various repos (which, as John indicated, can be a 
combination of stuff you maintain and/or someone else maintains).


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Erik Trimble
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