Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
want to add it seems with a chage in env var users get the opensolaris userland. note: SUN_PERSONALITY execve() system call logic implemented and it is finally allows Solaris-centric scripts to be executed in NexentaOS without modification file:///tmp/wiki.html#Personalities Personalities The default behavior of NexentaOS is to search for execution binaries in order described in the PATH. Standard locations such as /usr/bin and /usr/sbin all populated with GNU binaries, which makes NexentaOS behave as GNU system. SUN binaries saved in /usr/sun/bin and /usr/sun/sbin locations and system could be forced to use SUN-like personality by utilizing SUN_PERSONALITY environment variable. SUN_PERSONALITY execve() system call logic implemented and it is finally allows Solaris-centric scripts to be executed in NexentaOS without modifications. Simple SUN_PERSONALITY=1 environment variable will switch execution paths on the fly to look on /usr/sun/{bin,sbin} first. nexenta-pkgcmd package using this during alien SVR4=Debian on-the fly conversion to enable solaris-like environment for SVR4 maintainers scripts. Example of usage pkgadd to add QLogic SVR4 packaged drivers: # pkgadd -d Qlogic-x86 Transferring package instance sunwqlc_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb generated Transferring package instance sunwqlcu_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb generated (Reading database ... 62453 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace sunwqlc 5.11-1 (using sunwqlc_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement sunwqlc ... Preparing to replace sunwqlcu 5.11-1 (using sunwqlcu_5.11-1_solaris-i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement sunwqlcu ... Setting up sunwqlc (5.11-1) ... Reboot client to install driver. Setting up class: none /kernel/drv/amd64/qlc 4331 blocks Setting up class: none /kernel/drv/qlc 4331 blocks Setting up class: qlc /kernel/drv/qlc.conf Setting up sunwqlcu (5.11-1) ... # dpkg -l|grep sunwqlc ii sunwqlc 5.11-1 Qlogic ISP 2200/2202 Fibre Channel Device Dr ii sunwqlcu 5.11-1 Qlogic Fibre Channel Adapter Utilities (usr) Those folks who just want to use real Solaris-like environment on NexentaOS could simple type: # SUN_PERSONALITY=1 sh $ All SUN commands like ls,rm,sed,nawk,etc will be on the path even if you execute them with absolute path, i.e. /usr/bin/sed -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SNV_142 Test DVD Blastwave's AMP stack
I'm using b134/32-bit OSOL I tried to follow this procedure to upgrade to b142; everything seemed to go through OK but at the end I got this: PHASEACTIONS Removal Phase 54/54 DOWNLOAD PKGS FILESXFER (MB) Completed 259/259 4578/4578 129.3/129.3 PHASEACTIONS Removal Phase 2043/2043 Install Phase 2706/2706 Update Phase 7537/7537 on-nightly-142.i386 has been updated successfully Unable to activate on-nightly-142.i386. Unknown external error. beadm activate on-nightly-142.i386 failed: exit code 1 g...@opensolaris_b134:/opt$ I powered off and tried to boot on-nightly It gets to the blue GNOME login screen, accepts username/passwd and then just after the mouse cursor changes to the clockface, freezes. 30 secs later it goes back to the GRUB screen. Fortunately b134 is still there so I can carry on as I am, but it would be interesting to see what b142 is like. I'm completely in the dark as to what went wrong; Unknown external error is not much help to a beginner like me. Any help much appreciated. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
Let me add some numbers... We know, that Sun was one of the IT companies, that spend an enormous percentage of it's revenue into engineering... More than 10 percent. If, and that's now a very crude approach, we then assume, that that relates to 10% of the costs also, we can assume, that more than 10% of Sun's employees have been engineers. At the end Sun had still more than 3 employees, so assuming, that a high percentage might be working on Solaris might provide us with an approach to a number close to 1000 engineerhe s... All very crude and rough speculation, I can't determine those numbers. So why do you try to convince us of something that you don't even know ? What's your motive behind blindly defending Oracle with made up numbers in an OpenSolaris mailing list ? Hoping to close any deals here ? Wrong place, wrong time. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] places new
I suspect that if they treat actual or potential customers that way, they may have some problem listening to mere engineers, too. (as opposed to parasites like MBAs maybe?) Oracle was always going to throw out of the pram what they can't use or understand...this throws up many opportunities. A new community and new sponsors are the future.And yes MBA's will be required..however these are experienced people not graduates! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?
Is the forum controlled by Oracle or independent? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Yeah as much as Linux folks believe Red Hat is their friend and giving everything away for free, you are sadly mistaken. Red Hat has always been about making money from Linux, make no mistake about it. And seeing how Novell is having issues, it's very likely that Red Hat will continue to be the dominant Linux distro. While I'm saddened and extremely upset at how things have turned out for the OpenSolaris community, I do wonder how much the nightly updates have helped the likes of AIX and Linux over the past few years. And maybe there is more to that comment in the memo that was leaked. The good news is that the OpenSolaris code is out there and there are plenty of distros popping up. This is a good thing and forces the community to carry the torch and bring OpenSolaris to wider audiences. This is very much how Linux started, minus the commercial backing. It started out from bits and pieces that formed the SLS distro which turned into Slackware and the rest is history. The further OpenSolaris spreads and is molded to fit the specific needs of users (desktops, servers, appliances, storage back-ends, switches, etc.), the better. And I'm sure that Oracle will get the Solaris 11 Express program moving soon and will probably make some money. It'll definitely help generate interest in Solaris 11, the same way that the betas for Solaris 10 did for many of Sun's largest customers. I don't agree with the OpenSolaris distribution being killed off. I personally believe that Sun should have taken a cut of it last year and released Solaris 11. It's more stable than Solaris 10 was when it was released. The thing that always bugged me about the OpenSolaris distribution is that it wasn't pieced together or controlled by the community. We should have been at the driving wheel of that distribution. Instead, it went from being an in-house project to hijacking our efforts and pushing us as a community out of the way. Basically saying, here is what you're going to use and we don't care if you like the way we do it or not. And what did we end up with? A very desktop centric cut of the ON world and none of the integration we expect out of a Solaris build (look at the mess AI is for example over Jumpstart). Now I can understand Oracle's concerns about having the latest and greatest out in the open for the competition to exploit and copy. I've seen AIX 6 struggle to reinvent itself to catch up to Solaris 10, and it still has a way to go.. but they have WPARs(think zones), their own trusted extensions, and even their own probevue (think dtrace). So the writing is on the wall. IBM is Oracle's enemy in what remains of the UNIX wars.. it's just Oracle Solaris, IBM AIX, and HP HP-UX. Oracle is trying to protect it's IP and secret sauce from being hijacked ahead of commercial releases. It makes good business sense and that's what Oracle is good at. Of course, this sucks for the rest of us who want the latest and greatest features in our OpenSolaris boxes and want it now! It's been a fun ride and now things will slow down considerably here on the OpenSolaris.org site. It's time for the OpenSolaris based distros to shine and do the things that Sun and Oracle couldn't do, empower the developers, users, sysadmins, enthusiasts, etc. to make a better OS. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Shawn Walker shawn.wal...@oracle.com To: carlopmart carlopm...@gmail.com Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 12:04:58 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express On 08/20/10 09:41 AM, carlopmart wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 08/20/10 03:26 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote: ... I can't see any other OS (nor M$ nor OSX) that to be licensed requires annual support subscription...when you buy Wins or Macs, you pay once for your license, that's all (unless you really want or need support from M$ or Apple). RedHat enterprise Linux requires a subscription, and you lose the right to use it if you stop the subscription. That's not correct. You lose only the support, but you can use it on several servers as you want and it is legal. Only lose the support (and the right to download updates). See also section 5: https://www.redhat.com/licenses/us.html -Shawn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?
Peter Jones wrote: Is the forum controlled by Oracle or independent? The opensolaris.org website is owned and operated by Oracle. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?
Alan Coopersmith wrote: Peter Jones wrote: Is the forum controlled by Oracle or independent? The opensolaris.org website is owned and operated by Oracle. Website Guidelines with pointers to other site info here: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/site_guidelines Jim ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Without any irony, reading all smart ideas here I felt free to add few of them that might be useful. 1. Lets turn the name of our fork to OS-UX. Then, we wouldleave some trace of OpenSolaris project in the name of ourfuture work, and at the same time it would be shorten whichknows to be very useful in UNIX world. 2. I heard that Larry Elison is willing to give some of his fortune. Maybe we could ask him to sponsor our future work? TestFarm Servers, web site maintainters, etc. We could do it on a voluntary basis but we still need some infrastructure that has to be paid, and some marketing artwork, thatalso needs some money. Regards,Uros Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:37:36 -0700 From: unixcons...@yahoo.com To: shawn.wal...@oracle.com; carlopm...@gmail.com CC: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Uros Nedic 1. Lets turn the name of our fork to OS-UX. Then, we wouldleave some LOL ... :-) But I'm not sure you were kidding. Are you sure you want to use a product called O-SUX? ;-) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Uros Nedic wrote: Without any irony, reading all smart ideas here I felt free to add few of them that might be useful. 1. Lets turn the name of our fork to OS-UX. You are starting a new fork? The existing forks already have names, chosen by the people working on them, not spectators on mailing lists. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
You are starting a new fork? The existing forks already have names, chosen by the people working on them, not spectators on mailing lists. Like Oracle Solaris name is chosen by people working on it like you :).Or Solarix Express :). -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
2010/8/20 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de Let me add some numbers... ... that a high percentage might be working on Solaris might provide us with an approach to a number close to 1000 engineers... Of your 1000 engineers, maybe 100 were the senior leaders in innovation, vision, drive and ability. At Sun, the makeup of that club was exceedingly dynamic, to be sure, but it was a meritocracy - if you were *good* and had job/product/whatever performance to prove it, membership was open; nobody had to leave to make room for you. From what I have seen (and I have no visibility into the current numbers or membership), a significant number of the distinguished engineers and fellows that were there when Oracle took over have left. 30%? 50%? More? I don't know either, but the Names that are making the headlines all come from that small club... IM(ns)HO, losing that many top performing engineers to the competition will do more to harm Oracle in both the short and long run than anything that might conceivably happen due to premature product and feature exposure due to open source community involvement. Nobody really cares if a company lays off a bunch of its low level staff, but losing half of the technical leadership of a technical company is a disaster. Oracle may have bought the trademarks and rights to the code, but the real value of an acquisition is in the minds of those who produced the products in the first place - long term engineering excellence isn't a commodity that can be cheaply purchased or easily duplicated. Don't forget that the easiest way to make the books look better in the short term is to get rid of all those expensive engineers - you will immediately see a 10%-15% rise in profitability because you no longer have to pay the cost of development. Of course, after 24 to 36 months of coasting, you will be dead, but given the Street's myopic focus and short term memory, who cares? Just buy some other company and start everything over again... -John ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] When's source included?
A big thank you to everyone who replied. It's appreciated. :) Basically, assessing everything said so far, to make a distro, one has to: 1. Build it from source 2. Include the binaries 3. Follow the guide for remastering -- Or, could it be include all source and work with/on binaries, leaving 90-95% of the system unmodified? Confused. I'd be more than glad to follow steps 1-3 if it meant keeping things totally legal I guess up to this point I thought distributing source + pre-compiled binaries was okay. Is 1-3 (compile manually + source) or the second method (from pre-compiled + source) correct? Please shed more light on what it takes to make a distro legal. I'd appreciate it. :) P.S. If OpenSolaris is no longer even going to be developed, as much as I don't like the GPL, I might have to run Linux. I hope this isn't the case. :( -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] When's source included?
If you build a distro and make the resulting binaries (an ISO image...) available on a website, all you need to do is provide a compressed tar file (or an ISO image of one) of the make cleand source tree you used - there is no reason to make the source tree part of your binary ISO image Since the source tree tar file will be large (and not very interesting as time marches on), a better way is to provide a pointer to the same IllumOS or Oracle or ... versioned mercurial repository that *you* started with and make a gzipped file of just your diffs ('hg export' or 'hg merge' as appropriate). An interested developer could then grab the common/unchanged sources from the same place you did, apply your changes and build their own copy. The goal is to make it so that someone else could build on your changes in the same way you built on the work of others. -John On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Greimann agreim...@live.com wrote: Or, could it be include all source and work with/on binaries, leaving 90-95% of the system unmodified? ... Please shed more light on what it takes to make a distro legal. I'd appreciate it. :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, John Plocher john.ploc...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/20 Matthias Pfützner matth...@pfuetzner.de Let me add some numbers... ... that a high percentage might be working on Solaris might provide us with an approach to a number close to 1000 engineers... Of your 1000 engineers, maybe 100 were the senior leaders in innovation, vision, drive and ability. At Sun, the makeup of that club was exceedingly dynamic, to be sure, but it was a meritocracy - if you were *good* and had job/product/whatever performance to prove it, membership was open; nobody had to leave to make room for you. From what I have seen (and I have no visibility into the current numbers or membership), a significant number of the distinguished engineers and fellows that were there when Oracle took over have left. 30%? 50%? More? I don't know either, but the Names that are making the headlines all come from that small club... IM(ns)HO, losing that many top performing engineers to the competition will do more to harm Oracle in both the short and long run than anything that might conceivably happen due to premature product and feature exposure due to open source community involvement. Nobody really cares if a company lays off a bunch of its low level staff, but losing half of the technical leadership of a technical company is a disaster. Oracle may have bought the trademarks and rights to the code, but the real value of an acquisition is in the minds of those who produced the products in the first place - long term engineering excellence isn't a commodity that can be cheaply purchased or easily duplicated. Don't forget that the easiest way to make the books look better in the short term is to get rid of all those expensive engineers - you will immediately see a 10%-15% rise in profitability because you no longer have to pay the cost of development. Of course, after 24 to 36 months of coasting, you will be dead, but given the Street's myopic focus and short term memory, who cares? Just buy some other company and start everything over again... Of course, acquisition as your growth strategy has yet to be shown to work in the long terms as well... ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] The last of the 5000?
Since it seams the website team is effectively gone (see Elaine and Derek's goodbye messages elsewhere), it may be hard to pull something like this together. Instead, how about a flickr tag (#opensolaris?) so anyone can post their own pictures and mashup an image stream? -John On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: Would it be possible setup a page on the OpenSolaris site where we could upload our photos, wearing our faded and possibly too small first 5000 T-shirts? Just a daft idea for the weekend, -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] The last of the 5000?
John Plocher wrote: Since it seams the website team is effectively gone The website team is intact. You can find us on website-discuss for general issues and website-admin for user account issues. Other info here: Roadmap: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/roadmap Guidelines: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/site_guidelines CG: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+web/ User Guide: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/site-user-guide (see Elaine and Derek's goodbye messages elsewhere), it may be hard to pull something like this together. Instead, how about a flickr tag (#opensolaris?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/opensolaris/ There are about 10,000 images on flickr (and thousands more on other platforms). so anyone can post their own pictures and mashup an image stream? -John On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com mailto:i...@ianshome.com wrote: Would it be possible setup a page on the OpenSolaris site where we could upload our photos, wearing our faded and possibly too small first 5000 T-shirts? Just a daft idea for the weekend, You can use user group spaces for this or open a page in the Advocacy Community. I would have to give you edit privileges to Advocacy, which I would be happy to do. Fickr is better for uploading photos since that`s the site`s main purpose, of course, and then you can create pages on XWiki and display the images if you want. Many people do this. But, nevertheless, you can upload images to os.org. I have a slide show on the front page of Advocacy for flickr images tagged opensolaris: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+advocacy/ Also did one for TSUG and JPOSUG in Japan: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/User+Group+tsug/ And there are probably others ... Jim ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Uros Nedic Like Oracle Solaris name is chosen by people working on it like you :).Or Solarix Express :). What's your point? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
OK, someone 'splain me somethin' I get how Solaris and OpenSolaris work, what packages are, IPS, how to install stuff, and all that. Been doing it for a couple decades. And by the way, I'm still holding out hope for the Solaris 11 developer release to effectively replace OpenSolaris. But I digress. I don't understand much about Linux, so I'm very confused at how Nexenta and StormOS are based on Ubuntu, as the Nexenta web site says. It seems to me it's based on (Open)Solaris. What exactly is the tie-in with Ubuntu and/or Linux? I find this very confusing. Thanks, and please don't just point me to one of their web pages--that's already why I'm confused. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 PM, William Bauer bqba...@gmail.com wrote: OK, someone 'splain me somethin' I get how Solaris and OpenSolaris work, what packages are, IPS, how to install stuff, and all that. Been doing it for a couple decades. And by the way, I'm still holding out hope for the Solaris 11 developer release to effectively replace OpenSolaris. But I digress. I don't understand much about Linux, so I'm very confused at how Nexenta and StormOS are based on Ubuntu, as the Nexenta web site says. It seems to me it's based on (Open)Solaris. What exactly is the tie-in with Ubuntu and/or Linux? I find this very confusing. Nexenta uses apt/dpkg pacjaging system, and it provides a repository with about 13000 Ubuntu packages ported to OpenSolaris. So it's the Ubuntu userland on top of OpenSolaris. ~Anil ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
OK, someone 'splain me somethin' I get how Solaris and OpenSolaris work, what packages are, IPS, how to install stuff, and all that. Been doing it for a couple decades. And by the way, I'm still holding out hope for the Solaris 11 developer release to effectively replace OpenSolaris. But I digress. I don't understand much about Linux, so I'm very confused at how Nexenta and StormOS are based on Ubuntu, as the Nexenta web site says. It seems to me it's based on (Open)Solaris. What exactly is the tie-in with Ubuntu and/or Linux? I find this very confusing. Thanks, and please don't just point me to one of their web pages--that's already why I'm confused. The kernel is OpenSolaris; the userland (most of the commands and such) are mostly Debian. Thus, except for features unique to OpenSolaris, it would be more familiar to someone accustomed to Debian or Ubuntu. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
I downloaded it out of curiosity. Looks like it's based on 2008.11 or close?! uname -a contains the string NexentaOS_20081207. The included FF is 3.0.5. The forum posts indicate this is a one man show. Upon boot of the live CD, it complains about Gnome not being installed properly, and I ran gimp (which took forever to load) and it's over two years old. All that together doesn't inspire me to put my eggs in this basket (yet). Have to see where it goes. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] When's source included?
On 8/22/2010 4:51 PM, John Plocher wrote: If you build a distro and make the resulting binaries (an ISO image...) available on a website, all you need to do is provide a compressed tar file (or an ISO image of one) of the make cleand source tree you used - there is no reason to make the source tree part of your binary ISO image Since the source tree tar file will be large (and not very interesting as time marches on), a better way is to provide a pointer to the same IllumOS or Oracle or ... versioned mercurial repository that *you* started with and make a gzipped file of just your diffs ('hg export' or 'hg merge' as appropriate). An interested developer could then grab the common/unchanged sources from the same place you did, apply your changes and build their own copy. The goal is to make it so that someone else could build on your changes in the same way you built on the work of others. -John John's right. Another note here: when I originally said you need to make available source for everything covered by the CDDL, I wasn't specific enough. What I should have said was you need to make available all source for CDDL'd code *should someone ask for it*. In plain English: you can distribute the binaries by themselves. However, as part of the distro image, you should have a README or similar file which says if you want the source for this stuff, get it here and point to the various repos (which, as John indicated, can be a combination of stuff you maintain and/or someone else maintains). -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org