[osol-discuss] Belenix 0.7 is available !
Dello All, After a long gap and lots of things happening behind the scenes, we are pleased to announce the availability of BeleniX 0.7. This release marks a considerable change in the evolution of BeleniX. With 0.7, BeleniX is now a source level derivative of Project Indiana. As such it has most of the Indiana features except for Image Packaging which is still in the works. V0.7 is installable to the harddisk and supports ZFS root. Following are the highlights of the release: * Re-branded Caiman Installer installs BeleniX to ZFS root. * The Distro Constructor is adapted as the BeleniX Constructor. * Fully packaged. All software in BeleniX are delivered via SVR4 packages unlike the previous releases. * BeleniX now includes the full 64Bit Kernel and libraries. The LiveCD is still 32Bit, but the 64Bit kernel is booted on 64Bit CPUs after installation to harddisk. * Properly integrated and themed KDE 3.5.8. BeleniX now includes the K Display Manager SMF service which comes up by default while booting from harddisk. People familiar with the legacy DTlogin will welcome its ability to drop down to Console Login unlike GDM and the seamless desktop login (again unlike GDM!). * Synced up with ON Build 81. * 0.7 Includes packages from various other OpenSolaris consolidations: Fully Open X, SFWNV, JDS, NWS, Docs (man pages), Developer Product Tools etc. BeleniX includes some 650+ software packages in the LiveCD with more via a separate download. * Additional software can be downloaded via the /usr/bin/get-pkgs utility. Please see the Release Notes for more details. This is a temporary measure till BeleniX migrates to Image Packaging with its own repository. * The bundled in Gtk-Qt theme engine provides Qt theming support for GTk apps running under KDE. * The Firefox form widgets look better thanks to KDEwidgets from Kde-Look.org. * The BeleniX Development project is now hosted off SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/belenix. The SVN repository hosts all the SPEC files used to build additional FOSS packages for BeleniX and sources and packages of all BeleniX tools utilities, BeleniX Constructor and Branding stuff - check it out. The Release Notes contain other important info and is a must read: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=ReleaseNotes_0.7 The belenix 0.7 download information is available at http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=download Overall, we hope this release has a reached a level of usability where you can actually install and use it as regular desktop environment and enjoy KDE on OpenSolaris. This announcement with a few additional points is available at http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=node/69 best regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris for desktop
On Jan 22, 2008 11:49 AM, Putinei Ionut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand something: 1.why are you taking me with legal issues? 2.why opensolaris contributors or employees usually fight sun employees? I've started this thread so i could say its about my problems not yours(ken and brian). Brian's was an elaborate response to using the mp3 decoders - either from fluendo site or via SFE(spec-files-extra). If using SFE one needs to be aware that there are legal issues involved in using the softwares identified as encumbered :) -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] svn (probably) buggy in b78!
On Jan 18, 2008 2:56 AM, Mike Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manish Chakravarty wrote: bash-3.2$ svn co http://svn2.cvsdude.com/kdesolaris /trunk/Build/ svn: Valid UTF-8 data (hex:) followed by invalid UTF-8 sequence (hex: 83 c4 0c 85) Is the svn command in b78 known to be broken? yes. 6633860 svn broken on snv_78, suspect apache change Fixed in 79. Do these bug fixes also contribute testsuite updates. The contributions to none of the consolidations currently mention about the contributor putting in a corresponding test code where relevant. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] regarding my lappy
Refer to the Sun Hardware Compatibility List http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ The list lists a number of supported devices. If you have shortlisted some model, if possible run the Sun device detection tool on that machine http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp This will tell you what hardware is supported on that particular machine. A minor addendum. The Sun device detection tool (SDDT) is available on any recent SXDE DVD at /sddt. The tool can be run standalone on Linux, Windows or Solaris Express. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Any interest in a Wine Community for OpenSolaris?
On Jan 13, 2008 11:55 PM, Orvar Korvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be best if all Wine builders coninuously updated the CBE script, or would it be better to put binary packages of Wine on blastwave.org? The CBE script would be least effort, but Solaris noobs (Linux switchers) will maybe have problems with that. Binary packages on blastwave would be user easiest. Any Wine maintainers that knows more? pkgbuild.sf.net targets nevada. Blastwave's target is the complimentary (Sol 8,9,10) and some of the packages have been known to have issues with nevada. http://pkg.opensolaris.org might be a more appropriate place for binary deliveries. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] docs.sun.com developer collection error
On Nov 25, 2007 6:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am getting a server error when I try to go to docs.sun.com to get to the Dtrace guide. Is there a version of this on the opensolaris site? All I have found is a link to the guide at docs.sun.com (which currently is not working). docs.sun.com seems ok now. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Starter Kit DVD (2 Discs)
On Nov 20, 2007 5:51 PM, Mark Guenin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow -- thanks for the prompt reply! Aside from the Starter Kit, then, is there any way I can do a clean install of OpenSolaris on my machine? This machine was a workstation at my workplace -- we no longer use it, and my son is interested in exploring Unix. He's already got Linux on a laptop, so I figured this would be a good way to let him explore their differences and similarities. SPARC variants are available for download at http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/get.jsp The OpenSolaris code on which they are based is a few weaks older compared to x86 line. But for the purpose you are mentioning hopefully shouldn't be an issue. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] b76 mplayer bombs?
On Nov 18, 2007 10:51 PM, Thommy M. Malmström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me or? Got this after upgrading from b72 to b76... $ /usr/bin/mplayer nisse.mpg ld.so.1: mplayer: fatal: libcdio_paranoia.so.0: open failed: No such file or directory Killed I do not see MPlayer in the latest JDS code repository (I believe it is heading towards B79). I wonder if MPlayer has been removed. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Starter Kit DVD (2 Discs)
On Nov 20, 2007 8:15 AM, Mark Guenin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been given a Sun Ultra 60 with two 450 MHz SunSPARC CPUs and 2GB memory. I sent for the OpenSolaris Starter Kit (2 DVDs). Starter Kit is not available for sparc, it is only for x86/x64. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Is ZFS stable in OpenSolaris?
On Nov 14, 2007 8:31 PM, hex.cookie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In production environment, which platform should we use? Solaris 10 U4 or OpenSolaris 70+? How should we estimate a stable edition for production? Or OpenSolaris is stable in some build? Currently Solaris Express is the most stable of the OpenSolaris based distros. The builds with developer editions are expected to be more stable since they are supposed to have undergone more testing. But then the stability is not consistent across various builds is not consistent. Depending on the criticality of the service to which you want to put it to use. Solaris_10 is a released product while SX is an in developement product (beta). You should consider using the former for mission critical apps. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] About spec files and submitting a patch (was Re: b75 is a desaster)
On Nov 13, 2007 3:38 PM, Roman Morokutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could me someone please explain for what these spec files are. Check the FAQ at http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra And also the document at http://opensource.shivakumar.info/packages/PKGTOOL_documentation.02.pdf What would be the exact way to integrate the patch from ftp://the-nelsons.org/pub into an existing installation? Any contribution related to spec files is to be addressed to the desktop community mailing list since the desktop community is the one that uses the spec files approach. 1. Use patch or gpatch respectively? Use gpatch to apply the patch: gpatch -p1 path-to-patchfile 2. What would be the command exactly to patch? diff -ur foo-dir.orig foo-dir.patched foo-nn-YourOwnComment.diff OR diff -u foo-file.orig foo-file.patched foo-nn-YourOwnComment.diff 3. Do I have to rebuild something? 4. If so, where to get the sources? At the minimum all the specs that depend on this spec needs to be rebuilt and tested. gdm.spec is part of JDS. It needs considerable patching to be able to build and work on OpenSolaris based system. Checkout the JDS repository as mentioned at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/contributing/building and check the specs already available there. gdm.spec is present as well. If you specify the nature of changes being submitted. The members in the desktop-discuss alias (marked) should be able to help. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] A proposal for ensuring sustained Community Growth and Success
On 11/6/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This proposal is intended to provoke productive discussion... Productive !? Fixing the wrong problem at the wrong place... -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Name Change?
On 11/1/07, Brandorr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The much easier route would be for Sun to back away from this divisive decision to bypass the existing democratic process. [snip] P.S. - The fact is that this will most likely not get off the ground, unless there is a large outswelling of support from within the community. There was reference to OGB talking to Sun management. I hope something +ve comes out of it. Neither of the 2 is a win-win situation - The current situation - Going independant without Sun's involvement Irrespective of the motivations, the community building has been possible due to Sun. I hope Sun recognizes the problems that this is causing not just for the community but to itself as well. A healthy a vibrant community is in the interest of Sun as well. I hope the OGB's talk with Sun helps both Sun and the community and this thread becomes irrelevant. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Name Change?
On 11/1/07, S h i v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irrespective of the motivations, the community building has been possible due to Sun. I hope Sun recognizes the problems that this is causing not just for the community but to itself as well. A healthy a vibrant community is in the interest of Sun as well. I see poor framing of sentence: I hope Sun recognizes the problems that this(the current naming controversy) is causing.. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name
On 10/31/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except Sun doesn't have a distribution that is really based on the work of OpenSolaris.org right now. The implication here is that Project Indiana is Sun's distribution; which is not true. Input to the contrary couldn't have been more specific and to the point: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/trademark-policy-dev/2007-October/000145.html http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/trademark-policy-dev/2007-October/000158.html While this need not preclude the naming privilege to Indiana as discussed in that thread, Ignoring these inputs and re-iterating the stance doesn't make the argument credible. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ug-nycosug] Voice your opinion on whether the Indiana distro project should be called OpenSolaris
On 10/30/07, Isaac R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brandorr wrote: At the heart of it is the questions, Should the OpenSolaris brand/trademark refer to a runnable OS?, and If, so, do we limit to distros that are binary copies of the Indiana distro? I think we need to define a difference between what constitutes an 'operating system' and an 'operating environment'. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the right place for discussion. Also, some discussions have happened at trademark-policy-dev and prior to that at advocacy-discuss. It would be a good idea to have a look at the archives while pitching in. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Driver for broadcom 5787 NIC
On 10/16/07, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/10/2007, Mike DeMarco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at purchasing a laptop with Broadcom 5787 Network chip set and Realtek ALC 268 Audio. Is there drivers available for them? Avoid Broadcom like the plague it is. My earlier laptop had a broadcom n/w chipset and it worked well using ndis wrapper. I do not see BCM5787 in the HCL (http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/search.jsp) -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] release notes SXDE (74)?
On 10/11/07, stefan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi there, are there any release notes / errata / known bugs available for the community builds? For B74 refer the change log at : http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b74 (Similarly for other builds at http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads) This is for ON only. Not sure if you can get similar changelog details for other consolidations. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Lines of Code
On 10/1/07, Anil Gulecha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing wc -l is pretty much a given.. With wc -l approach, a 15 lines of change in the license text that gets included in each every ~40K files results in 0.6mn lines of change without any change to the actual code :) -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] FOSS.IN/2007 Speaker registration now open
I minor addendum to the below announcement to clarify a couple of points(since I got offline queries). DEADLINE: -- The dealine to submit the talk proposal is 8-Oct. This is abstract only and not the entire presentation ! (for details see http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation#Important_Dates) TRAVEL SPONSORSHIP: Those who are deterred by the lack of funds, while registering there is an option to say 1) I will sponsor myself 2) I will need part sponsorship 3) I need full sponsorship cant come without sponsorship The suggested route to try: 1) Check with your own employer 2) Check if you can fund yourself 2.5) Check with sun (?) 3) Request for part sponsorship. If this is not viable request for full sponsorship. (See http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation#Travel_Support_for_Speakers) ( If you are from sun the option 1 is likely to be the only one! :) You may choose suitably. While this doesn't guarantee sponsorship, it is worthwhile to explore the options instead of dropping without checking these out. Foss.in team will be discussing sponsorship related details with the speakers *after* their submissions are selected. warm regards Shiv On 9/26/07, S h i v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The FOSS.IN/2007 Call for Participation is announced and the speaker/talk registration is now open. I see that the announcement has already been picked up on Indiana mailing list. As announced in my earlier mail FOSS.IN/2007 is a 5 day program spread across has 2 project day sessions and 3 conference day sessions. OpenSolaris will have one dedicated project day http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=foss2007 Myself along with some of the BOSUG (Bangalore OpenSolaris User Group) members are co-ordinating the OpenSolaris related programs. We would like to have a fantastic OpenSolaris community presence in the conference. I request some of you to consider registering as a speaker for the event. Note that the topics for the project day sessions are pre-determined and the speakers are to choose one of these topics. The sessions for the conference days are open. Speakers may choose to present in either of them depending on the suitability of the topic. The details are available in the CfP at http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation Register as a speaker at https://foss.in/2007/register/speakers Also, would appreciate if you can let me know once you submit the proposal esp in case it is for the project day to help co-ordinate. Looking forward to meet some of you. thanks best regards Shiv BOSUG (Bangalore OpenSolaris User Group) = Event : FOSS.in/2007 Dates: 4-8 Dec, 2007 Place: Bangalore, India = -- Forwarded message -- From: Atul Chitnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sep 26, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: [foss.in] FOSS.IN/2007 Speaker registration now open To: FOSS.IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] All: In accordance with the FOSS.IN/2007 Call for Participation, speaker and talk registration is open. You can now go and register. You should read the CfP *first* http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation then head to https://foss.in/2007/register/speakers to register yourself as a speaker, and then your talks. Please note that Speaker and Talk Registration closes at 23:59 GMT+0530 on OCTOBER 8TH, 2007. Atul p.s. Please note that you *have* to upload a recent photograph of yourself. Any submissions with invalid/missing photos will be deleted without notice. -- F O S S . I N / 2 0 0 7 India's Premier FOSS Conference December 4-8, 2007 Bangalore, India http://foss.in ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] FOSS.IN/2007 Speaker registration now open
[Removing osol-code from the thread] On 9/28/07, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speakers may choose to present in either of them depending on the suitability of the topic. The details are available in the CfP at http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation Register as a speaker at https://foss.in/2007/register/speakers Also, would appreciate if you can let me know once you submit the proposal esp in case it is for the project day to help co-ordinate. I proposed a general OpenSolaris talk. Thats nice. I was planning to ping you :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] FOSS.IN/2007 Speaker registration now open
Hello All, The FOSS.IN/2007 Call for Participation is announced and the speaker/talk registration is now open. I see that the announcement has already been picked up on Indiana mailing list. As announced in my earlier mail FOSS.IN/2007 is a 5 day program spread across has 2 project day sessions and 3 conference day sessions. OpenSolaris will have one dedicated project day http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=foss2007 Myself along with some of the BOSUG (Bangalore OpenSolaris User Group) members are co-ordinating the OpenSolaris related programs. We would like to have a fantastic OpenSolaris community presence in the conference. I request some of you to consider registering as a speaker for the event. Note that the topics for the project day sessions are pre-determined and the speakers are to choose one of these topics. The sessions for the conference days are open. Speakers may choose to present in either of them depending on the suitability of the topic. The details are available in the CfP at http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation Register as a speaker at https://foss.in/2007/register/speakers Also, would appreciate if you can let me know once you submit the proposal esp in case it is for the project day to help co-ordinate. Looking forward to meet some of you. thanks best regards Shiv BOSUG (Bangalore OpenSolaris User Group) = Event : FOSS.in/2007 Dates: 4-8 Dec, 2007 Place: Bangalore, India = -- Forwarded message -- From: Atul Chitnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sep 26, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: [foss.in] FOSS.IN/2007 Speaker registration now open To: FOSS.IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] All: In accordance with the FOSS.IN/2007 Call for Participation, speaker and talk registration is open. You can now go and register. You should read the CfP *first* http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation then head to https://foss.in/2007/register/speakers to register yourself as a speaker, and then your talks. Please note that Speaker and Talk Registration closes at 23:59 GMT+0530 on OCTOBER 8TH, 2007. Atul p.s. Please note that you *have* to upload a recent photograph of yourself. Any submissions with invalid/missing photos will be deleted without notice. -- F O S S . I N / 2 0 0 7 India's Premier FOSS Conference December 4-8, 2007 Bangalore, India http://foss.in ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXDE3
On 9/24/07, Sarah Jelinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iban Nieto wrote: It's SXDE (with build 75) already to download ??? SXDE 3, b70b, is available for download here: http://developers.sun.com/sxde Or, you can download a later build, b72 via Solaris Express Community Edition. Which has the SXDE bits included if you use DVD. http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/ B72 has issues with installation. Before starting the download, make sure this is not applicable in your case as well. http://jp.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=40029tstart=1 http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6600169 ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun + Microsoft cooperation = codecs for Siolaris, finally?
On 9/20/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that Sun has, for the second time, (re)anonounced with all the big noise and confetti how they are to interoperate with Microsoft, is there any chance that we will finally see Windows Media Player / Microsoft (or whatever they are called, I don't care) codecs in Solaris? Probably no. Most of the codecs do not have anything to do with the OS and are not by MS. It is by third party cos that see value in providing them on windows. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Fwd: [foss.in] FOSS.IN/2007 Project Days sessions
Hi All, FOSS.in (http://foss.in) is a premier annual foss event that happens in India. The event format this year includes project days(mini-conf to get more developers/contributors) conference days(various talks/sessions). It is with pleasure that I bring it to notice that a proposal to host Opensolaris/Belenix/Indiana project day has been accepted to be part of foss.in/2007. The accepted proposal is available at http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=foss2007 The intention of project days (http://foss.in/2007/info/Project_Days) is to enable people to get involved the the project and be able to contribute. The CFP (Call for Proposal) of foss.in is expected to be out this week and will include the project day sessions as well. If you wish to participate as a speaker or if you have an suggestions, we would love to hear from you. If you are traveling to this part of the world, do consider accommodating the conference days in your travel plans (I should add that the conference itself is is an excellent one and is worth travelling to from any part of the world :) Will announce the CFP on these lists once it is available. Interested speakers are to respond to the CFP. Thanks for your attention and looking forward to meet some of you ! best regards Shiv = Event : FOSS.in/2007 Dates: 4-8 Dec, 2007 Place: Bangalore, India = -- Forwarded message -- From: Atul Chitnis Date: Sep 5, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: [foss.in] FOSS.IN/2007 Project Days sessions To: FOSS.IN [EMAIL PROTECTED] All: Here are the selected Project Days sessions, in alphabetical order: * Debian/Ubuntu * Fedora * Gnome * IndLinux * KDE * Mozilla * OpenOffice.org * OpenSolaris These eight Project Days sessions will be part of the CfP that will be published next week, and people will be able to submit talk proposals for each of them (and the Main conference, of course). Congrats to the eight projects, and my sympathies as well - having been selected, you now carry the burden of ensuring that you produce many Indian contributors. That means that your sessions have to be structured in such a way that it is easy for people to get in at the ground floor and the take the elevator up :) A reminder as well: if you are unable to get credible subsessions (talks and workshops) together through the CfP, you *may* face dropping. The same applies to the nature of the subsessions - if they are not contributor oriented (just user oriented) or if we find that the majority of subsessions are by people from a single commercial organisation, we will reconsider your selection. Remember that to us, the usefulness to the audiences (to bootstrap them into becoming contributors) and the quality of the subsessions comes first. So make sure that you get it right, in line with your accepted PD proposal. That completes phase 1 of the process - next is the Call for Participation, that will go out next week, after Team FOSS.IN meets this Sunday. Cheerio! Atul -- F O S S . I N / 2 0 0 7 India's Premier FOSS Conference December 4-8, 2007 Bangalore, India http://foss.in ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] funding priorities [was Re: A big PCFS change in the pipeline]
On 9/7/07, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sole exception I'd recognize would be rants about the speed at which the gates are moving into the open, and the way the rest of the tools are being handled. That may be of interest to us but again not our business. To extent that it influences os.org it would be of interest to the community members here. I expect that the first release of Indiana will change a lot of things and I *hope* that bureaucratic modis operandi will be one of the things to slowly slip away. Yeah. This is one major benefit I am hoping looking forward to with(after) the first release. Anyway, this thread (the subject) has no place on os.org lists. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] REMINDER: OpenSolaris Developer Summit
On 9/8/07, Sara Dornsife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Agenda: We've had the following topics suggested: Packaging Drivers Desktop Patching Installation Community growth and participation Am not a participant. I topic I would have suggested if I were one is already there on the wiki but not in the above list, Is it hard to contribute to OpenSolaris? How can we make it easier? suggested by Stephen Lau. Note that Community growth and participation is likely to lead into different (outward looking - advocacy related) discussions than Stephen Lau's that might result in inward looking(tools, processes) discussions. My .02c regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] which community for 652094 bug ?
On 9/6/07, Neerhaj N Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am new to opensolaris discussions/community. I am working on the 652094 bug and do not know which is the relevant community. Please help. 6452094? For any bug in ONNV, I believe osol-code is the appropriate forum. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [Rant] Why does the Download Center not work?
On 8/31/07, Tim Scanlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use DownThemAll! with Firefox, and it works pretty good. I would change the default for the 'chunk' directory to /var/tmp from /tmp in preferences (it will use a subdir called dta there clear it too). The only things that annoy me about the download process is the signon, god knows I wish I could get some persistence going on. I do not mind the rest really. I use the same but have never been bothered with any sort of signon. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Memory requirements to install Solaris
On 8/27/07, Glenn Lagasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Dev Mazumdar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Yes I've tried text based install. I verified that 512MB ram is not sufficient for B70. This memory requirement is absolutely unacceptable. In the respins for build 70 (70a and 70b) the memory requirement for the non-developer express install options will revert to 512mb like they were previously. The developer express option however will not change from 768mb. At least not in the respins (and likely not until the slim install project comes along). That said, we are aware of the memory requirements and would like to lower them for the developer express installer if we can. A input here: On my celeron 256mb laptop, I had been running B54 SXCE and manually installed sun studio for quite sometime. It used to work beautifully even with the sunpro GUI. Ofcourse doing a full ON build used to turn out to be expensive. I used to install sunpro and other the build tools manually on top of SXCE since this feature existed even then. The installer should enforce absolute minimum requirements and not recommended values. SXDE and SXCE need not have 2 different installation requirements. If you feel strongly about the higher number, then throw a warning at the user regarding RAM being less. But please do not prevent the installation on configuration where people know it to work. Already there are people facing multiple installation problems, preventing installation makes it unnecessarily painful. The solution for the person to upgrade his RAM. If it is a linux or a windows user wanting to try OpenSolaris distro, you have immediately created a negative impression. Not only would one lose the person but worse created in him/her a negative propagandist. *256mb is also just fine* Enforcing anything else is not a feature but a bug. Have a warning limit for 768mb if necessary, enforce limit should be 256mb. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Java is everywhere !
On 8/26/07, Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The blog comments say it all...The dislike about the move is *huge*. http://rollerweblogger.org/roller/entry/blogs_on_sun_s_new The above blog gives *incorrect stats* Of the 349 comments (at the time I had a second look), I checked the top 160 and here is what I found. Negative - 118 Positive- 20 Neutral - 20 Duplicate(!) - 1 Didn't bother categorizing the rest. But did a random check on page-ups. The representation didn't seem to be any different. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Java is everywhere !
Anyone read Jonathan's recent blog? http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/java_is_everywhere I believed putting *that* java word in any every place was thing of the past. I remember well the problems we(as a customer) had because of the cluster software being hidden within the Java Availability Suite (Oxymoron?). Now the investors will have tough time searching for sun's stock. Not all stake holders are keen to play treasure hunt ! Or is it that fool's day is celebrated on a different date. The blog comments say it all...The dislike about the move is *huge*. All the branding that has happened since opening up will be undone with one masterful stroke. When the user group meeting happens this saturday, I will ask for a 1minute silence to mourn the sad day. ~Shiv ps: Oh, and it is not about just the ticker change. Going through the blog makes it quite obvious how branding is likely to happen. It is a matter of time before which it percolates into all parts of opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/20/07, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg to differ, as a Sun customer we are going commodity all the way. We haven't bought an Enterprise system since the 3800. Currently the majority of the Machines we are deploying are x4200s and T2000s. We are also investigating VMWare ESX running Solaris in a big way. (I wonder if there is room for a vmware community group on opensolaris.org) It'd be great if we could run VMWare with Solaris as the guest OS. we can. Works fine ( thus far for me ) and is actually supported. Yes, it works already. Choose Solaris 10 as the guest OS while configuring it. But you may go ahead with SXDE, it works. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] snv70 installer comments and issues
Hi Bill, Queries about the new installer are best answered at caiman-discuss mailing list which is the list for new installer related discussions. Some of the points below have already been raised on that list and responded to. You may want to look at the archives before posting the query. Couple of points below. On 8/20/07, William D Waddington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new SNV 70 GUI installer looks nice and moves right along. But. I can't find the advanced options button that lets me decide how to slice my solaris partition. And the minimum size of 8G is a pain. I'm installing multiple (throw-away) images under VMWare on a ThinkPad T61 and don't have drive space to burn :( For that matter, even 8G gets flagged as too small until i touch the size by lowering it to 7.9 and raising back to 8g, then it's big enough... One of the threads on caiman-discuss mentioned about a rounding error that is being fixed in B70b. Under VMware, you can create disks as growable instead of fixed size. With this the disks takes up 8G of space only when you start consuming space. This is the first build where the new installer is integrated into SX. I am sure the feature to allow users to layout the disks is in the pipeline. But distro creators might not have expected so many people asking for it in the first build itself where it got integrated :) regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
On 8/17/07, Brandorr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] We're not interested in suing people over Unix, Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. We're not even in the Unix business anymore. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html While this is a good stance to take by Novell, opensolaris depending on the altruism of another corporate whose business is in making a competition product(Suse) is not the best of positions to be in. As per the word of law is opensolaris in a safe state or not is what is more important. ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
On 8/17/07, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 06:34 +0530, S h i v wrote: On 8/17/07, Brandorr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] We're not interested in suing people over Unix, Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. We're not even in the Unix business anymore. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html While this is a good stance to take by Novell, opensolaris depending on the altruism of another corporate whose business is in making a competition product(Suse) is not the best of positions to be in. As per the word of law is opensolaris in a safe state or not is what is more important. Yes - this has alraedy been established. Dear god, how many times must it be repeated? Yes, yes. I was just pointing out that Novell's mattered less than the other question. But wasn't asking it (again) :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
On 8/16/07, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Burlison wrote: OK, here's a first stab, not currently linked to from anywhere else on the site. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ May I suggest a small note at the subscribe page for opensolaris-discuss saying, if you need help on topics other than OpenSolaris, then this is not the forum to ask for help, try xyz instead. Also, the auto response to the subscription mail, may contain list rules. This may not solve the problem entirely, but may help. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] tcl/expect in SX
Hi, The tcl version in in Solaris Express is quite dated (version 8.3) Also, SX doesn't seem to bundle expect a very useful tcl extension for automation. Currently it resides at /usr/sfw/bin/tclsh8.3 Where do I propose a move to tcl8.4.x and also a request to bundle expect? (CCD, here, ... ?) Considering that sun had a major role to play in developing tcl it would be nice to see tcl versions with more useful features are bundled. best regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [OT] google pack contains staroffice ( not openoffice)?
Hi, This is a bit off-topic, but I didn't find any other suitable forum. I have always wondered why SXDE packages star office and not open office. Both I understand share bulk of the code base. Google-pack now contains star office (http://pack.google.com) ! Why this when there is an open source alternative? regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/10/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless the putting the code into gpl tree is something we *badly want*, if there is ambiguity and scope for legal battle, err on the side that avoids litigation. No point in getting into litigations that distracts frustrates everyone. While contributing CDDL code to GPL code might not be a problem, that part of the contributed CDDL code would need to be re-licensed or dual-licensed under GPL compatible code. ZFS is a separate work, you do not need to relicense it under the GPL and you cannot. *I* cannot, because I am not the owner of the copyright. Point was about mixing CDDL GPL and why it *is a problem* Sane thing is to follow legal advice by the qualified. It seems to have its good share of problems and need not be done. There is no compelling need either. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/10/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do! Until now, no lawyer did tell us that there may be a problem. Alan has already made references to the repeated discussion that has happened with the legal team. There is no reason compelling enough for a second opinion :-) regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Derek E. Lewis wrote: and any lawyer worth the air he or she breathes to sufficiently dispute this in court, I think. On 8/10/07, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they have a specific side they err on, and this is one of those issues that seems to be accepted by them. Unless the putting the code into gpl tree is something we *badly want*, if there is ambiguity and scope for legal battle, err on the side that avoids litigation. No point in getting into litigations that distracts frustrates everyone. While contributing CDDL code to GPL code might not be a problem, that part of the contributed CDDL code would need to be re-licensed or dual-licensed under GPL compatible code. On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Do not listen to the people who like to tell you that there are problems because you cannot put the lock into the key.understand that the GPL is a heavily assymetric license. If Eben Moglen has clarified *this specific issue*, it should be ok. But lock and key analogy to drive home this point is incorrect. There is a codebase X(ZFS) under CDDL and codebase Y(linux kernel), under GPL. * A 3rd party takes ZFS Linux-kernel and creates a combined product, now do you call it ZFS incorporating Linux-kernel or the other way. * The codebase of linux-kernel is huge compared to ZFS is incidental, if ZFS code were to be 200k instead of the 80k would you still use the container analogy. What if it were 1000k instead of 80k = See, it is subject to interpretation and litigations in such situations lawyers are the only ones who stand to gain. ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a
On 8/8/07, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to contribute to localisation for New Zealand - include Maori/English translations - right now it is pretty pathetic, there is no British English dictionary for Evolution, StarOffice 8 is all setup incorrectly - given the 'Maori language creep' into New Zealand English, there is a need to have both dictionaries by default. I've had a look around and can't find where to start. Matthew People on the i18n-discuss list should be able to provide the right inputs. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/8/07, Frank Hofmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that's far from what you want. You're not developing a kernel driver, a UN*X utility of a fix/enhancement to libc. You're simply requesting (some) (Open)Solaris distributions to include additional software. Which might have its own pitfalls, ok. Have you tried talking to talk to any distribution maintainer ? To address the issue of the software stack, I believe based on the discussions happening on the Indiana mailing list, it will have a network based installation (similar to ubuntu's synaptic manager) that is better integrated and *just works*. If the software a person likes is not there, Indiana hopefully provides a mechanism for people to contribute. Sigh, Indiana, *the silver bullet* for every issue that is raised !!! ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/8/07, Mark Phalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sigh, Indiana, *the silver bullet* for every issue that is raised !!! Thats probably because Indiana is the umbrella for a lot of new technologies/projects being worked on. (I'm confused by the Sigh). Sigh = want to take a break (from the long opensolaris.org threads that repeat the usability discussions) and wait for the *silver bullet* to appear. A distro (unlike SXDE), that does not have the compulsion to support 8years of legacy compatibility opens up some really nice possibilities on the user segments not explored enough earlier. Am excited about Indiana...(SXDE itself has just works for me for my requirements of *desktop* ) ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compile errors during onnv-gate
On 8/6/07, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does seem puzzling. The reason is that: - SXDE (and in particular the developer install feature) was supposed to be aimed at developers who are writing software to run _on_ Solaris, and not those who are just compiling OpenSolaris itself. The former can make good use of having the freshest possible set of tools. If this is the case then GNU build tools must be included in SXDE. A huge part of open source world use this ! (The mandatory packages of JDS_CBE - CBEfoo.pkg's can be included with SXDE) ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compile errors during onnv-gate
On 8/7/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OpenSolaris CBE is effectively merged by SXDE - except that the recent builds put the wrong version of Sun Studio in (they have Studio 12, where the current CBE specifies Studio 11). If you mean the JDS CBE, the JDS team is already working on that. You can see some of their work in progress in the SFW mailing lists (right now they're replacing the current versions of the GNU autoconf/automake/libtool with the versions they use in the JDS CBE). Nice. Precisely what I was asking for. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 8/3/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Gardiner wrote: x86 being around for over 2 years and still no movement by Sun to improve the user experience in either hardware support or software availability. You think nvidia video drivers, wifi drivers, Macromedia Flash, and all the other drivers software appeared on their own for x86 with no effort by Sun? If so, you're very mistaken. I have used S10 as well as SXDE the there is huge difference in user experience. That is a point aside. This list is just not the right place to tell sun what should and shouldn't be doing with their product strategy. To start with, people working on the usability/device-driver support, etc need to use the 80-20 principle = work on the 20% of parts that give 80% of the benefits instead of trying to satisfy 100% of the users and exhausting all resources. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On 7/31/07, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Walker wrote: There is no reason why a good OS can't be used everywhere. I use Solaris on my desktop everyday. I think 40% is too small. We should shoot for 100% of the desktop market. Now there's some thinking I can get behind! :) Totally agree. Am glad there are some who share my thoughts :-) Whenever the group *for* Solaris==Server==Xterm==Niche_product becomes very vocal it concerns me. (Solaris != OpenSolaris). Points made about Solaris are not relevant in their entirety in opensolaris.org OpenSolaris has inherited the technology, but it need not inherit the strategy *as is*. The approaches for the two must feed each other (Solaris - OpenSolaris), but need not be identical or driven by one another. It is **not** - GUI instead of CLI. - Desktop instead of a Server - Dumbed down interfaces instead of hackery - End-user-friendly instead of stability I am glad Indiana is happening. ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] www.opensolaris.org again down ?
Is the website down once again? opensolaris.org is not available while all others that I am accessing are... regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Windows switcher: Wine for Solaris ( DC++ )?
On 7/28/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we? Probably. Will we? I most certainly *won't*. People need to be made sensitive to these issues! There's tons of GCC-only garbage out there precisely because the majority doesn't have a clue that there are better, professional compilers available gratis. One point I would like to bring to notice. When talking about opensolaris, free/open source software and the community, *gratis* doesn't mean anything at all. Going by that gcc is the most compelling choice the community has had till now. Sun studio is also a choice only because it will hopefully be open sourced in the coming days. The huge foss code base wouldn't even exist but for gcc which made it possible. Why complain about porting thank the guys who wrote the software and the tool chain that it is there at all in the first place. Had this code been written to compile with a professional compiler, 90% of all the porting issues would go away. Please visit http://bugs.sun.com - category Sun Studio C++ and check the kind of bugs especially those related to STL implementation in Sun Studio as against that in gcc (ofcourse gcc has its own set of things) These help in being more objective. Any complex product have their own reasons for the way they have evolved. Sun studio never existed for a person to test with it. Forte workshop (the earlier avatar of sun studio) was expensive, not available on Linux(the platform of choice for many FOSS developers), Solaris was proprietary and never worked on whole bunch of x86 platforms, on and on... With *opensolaris* things are changing for the better. Provide people with compelling alternatives. People are capable of making their own choices. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Windows switcher: Wine for Solaris ( DC++ )?
On 7/29/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One point I would like to bring to notice. When talking about opensolaris, free/open source software and the community, *gratis* doesn't mean anything at all. What does that have to do with it? That was in response to(below the statement): There's tons of GCC-only garbage out there precisely because the majority doesn't have a clue that there are better, professional compilers available gratis. To many community members *gratis* doesn't mean anything as long as it is proprietary and the status can change as and when a corporate pleases. There are many other details as well - in my previous mail. -Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Windows switcher: Wine for Solaris ( DC++ )?
On 7/29/07, Doug Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please drop this thread. It is a pure waste of bandwidth and time. Yes. And my apologies for contributing to the drag. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Windows switcher: Wine for Solaris ( DC++ )?
On 7/27/07, Orvar Korvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Now I have really good hope to get Wine going with two instructions sets up to date. I am active at several user forums, and I will post your instructions there. At the forums, there are several questions on Wine and Solaris, all answered negative. In my opionion, Blastwave and the likes, should be high on Sun's priority list. It seems that to compile a program under Solaris takes years of experience. About the compile part, someone out there in their enthusiasm has built an (incorrect) aura around OpenSolaris :-) If using command-line it should be no more difficult than using gcc/VC++/Watcom/ compilers, some of the compiler options might change. If you prefer GUI and seen netbeans for java developement, one gets the same GUI for sun studio with support for C++. Using the instructions provided by others, you'll be getting the wine binaries from sources ! BTW, how do I learn to compile things? Is there a book or something to learn this? I dont want to yell at people, I want to do it myself. Any tips? Any web sites? How? If you prefer command line, see http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/771.8?l=enq=sun+studio The C Users Guide C++ users guide are the only ones you would need to start with (installation doesn't really need a doc :)) If you prefer GUI, SXDE comes with a netbeans based nice GUI for Sun Studio and also has a bunch of tutorials. In the GUI, choose Help-Quick Start Guide. Or you may directly go to the page http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/articles/studio_qs.html Incase something doesn't work, feel free to file a bug (Ex: the browser that is used to open html via help menu is configurable but why should it try to open mozilla when firefox is the default browser ) regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris plus Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD
On 7/19/07, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voluminous - yes Detailed - yes Usability - I have mixed feelings. Often it has been notes put up on the blogs, mailing list archives or queries on newsgroups that seem to give me the right answers. (I can count myself among those who has devoured *huge* number of documents @ docs.sun.com with each running into many 100s of pages). One often needs some base knowledge in order to be able to digest the wealth of information on docs.sun.com, yes, that's a fact of life. Ah ! what can I say about the assumptions that are made. But there are tons and tons of step-by-step guides and introductions to ease beginners into, and let them build up that background knowledge there as well on docs.sun.com. There are tons and tons of information but not for beginners to ease them. It is for people (lots related to system administration) who might be doing a set tasks many times over, they can take a printout of the doc and use it as a desk top reference. It is useful for that, no doubts about it. This is more likely a byproduct of human impatience than lack or form of information. Humans tend to be an impatient lot wanting instant gratification, and for some bizzarre reason, this behavior seems to be amplified when using computers. It's a paradox. I have sending one mail just to show why docs.sun.com is not suitable for a beginner who would like to get to know OpenSolaris. Have a look at my next mail. On the other hand, if you have suggestions on how to make the subject materia on docs.sun.com better, I'm pretty sure that the documentation team would love to hear from you. I know they've acted upon user feedback before, and that documentation quality was better off for it. That I'll surely do. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris plus Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD
On 7/19/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question to you is, how is the documentation supposed to answer a question as undefined as yours? First you need to communicate what it is that you'd like to know, in more precise terms, then I can point you to the corresponding document. Here is one example to show why one should not recommend docs.sun.com to people who say, I am new to Solaris and would like to become familiar with it. It also answers the above point. I go about this way : I am a beginner, I want to change the hostname of my machine, I would prefer to help myself by looking at all available documentation before asking anybody else, I give the search Changing hostname in docs.sun.com and do the same in www.google.com docs.sun.com returns results none of them useful !!! Google.com returns many useful results *none of them* from docs.sun.com but from blogs/forums, etc. Below is output: From docs.sun.com (storedge, mail servers, cluster internal P...god ) As a newbie I get scared ! --- 110,430 Results Found, Sorted by Relevance Sort by Date1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 | Next » Sun StorEdge N8400 and N8600 Filer Administrator's Guide The Sun StorEdge N8400 and N8600 Filer Administrator™s Guide describes how toperform administration tasks with hosts on the network using a graphical userinterface (GUI) tool. This tool is called the Filer ... http://docs-pdf.sun.com/806-6905-10/806-6905-10.pdf - Jan 11, 2001 Sun StorEdge N8000 Filer Series Administrator's Guide The Sun StorEdge N8000 Filer Series Administrator™s Guide describes how to performadministration tasks with hosts on the network using a graphical user interface(GUI) tool. This tool is called the Filer Administration ... http://docs-pdf.sun.com/806-4669-11/806-4669-11.pdf - Aug 4, 2000 Sun Internet Mail Server 4.0 Installation Guide: - Installing Netscape Directory Services .. ... Computer Name [hostname.domainname] - The fully qualified domain ... Directory Server Identifier [hostname] - By default, the host name ... this directory path. You may change hostname to any name. ... http://docs.sun.com/source/816-6079-10/cookbook.doc.html - Jun 28, 2002 Sun Internet Mail Server 4.0 Documentation Update ... is cumulative and also reflects changes introduced by SIMS product patch ... updated. The updated version includes changes and bug fixes made to ... section provides descriptions for the changes made to the SIMS 4 ... http://docs.sun.com/source/816-6078-10/DocUpdate.fm.html - Jun 28, 2002 Sun Internet Mail Server 4.0 Documentation Update ... is cumulative and also reflects changes introduced by SIMS product patch ... updated. The updated version includes changes and bug fixes made to ... section provides descriptions for the changes made to the SIMS 4 ... http://docs-pdf.sun.com/816-6078-10/816-6078-10.pdf - Feb 14, 2000 docs.sun.com: Sun Cluster System Administration Guide for Solaris OS ... Use this procedure to change the private hostname of a cluster node after ... clusternode3-priv. You should only change a private hostname if the name is already ... the scsetup(1M) utility to change the private hostname of the appropriate node. ... http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6546/6mlu6er92?l=ena=viewq=Changing+hostname - Jul 11, 2007 docs.sun.com: Sun Cluster System Administration Guide for Solaris OS ... Use this procedure to change the private hostname of a cluster node after ... clusternode3-priv . You should only change a private hostname if the name is already ... the scsetup(1M) utility to change the private hostname of the appropriate node. ... http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-0580/6n30eahdb?l=ena=viewq=Changing+hostname - Jul 10, 2007 docs.sun.com: Sun Cluster 3.1 10/03 System Administration Guide ... Use this procedure to change the private hostname of a cluster node after ... clusternode3-priv. You should only change a private hostname if the name is already ... the scsetup(1M) utility to change the private hostname of the appropriate node. ... http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0516/6mgafprck?l=ena=viewq=Changing+hostname - Jun 23, 2007 docs.sun.com: Sun Cluster 3.1 System Administration Guide ... Use this procedure to change the private hostname of a cluster node after ... clusternode3-priv. You should only change a private hostname if the name is already ... node on which you are changing the private hostname. # ... http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-3384/6m9lu6fjk?l=ena=viewq=Changing+hostname - Jun 20, 2007 docs.sun.com: Sun Cluster Software Installation Guide for Solaris OS ... to use the old private hostname after the hostname is renamed, which would cause ... Follow the prompts to change the private hostname. ... Repeat for each private hostname to change. ... http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-0420/6n2rlnnae?l=ena=viewq=Changing+hostname - Jul 2, 2007
Re: [osol-discuss] Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris plus Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD
On 7/18/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's of course your spare time and effort, but as far as (Open)Solaris documentation goes, I believe that your time would be better spent developing great new software for Solaris, on Solaris, than writing documents which already exist, and which happen to be of very high quality. There are professional technical writers working on Solaris documentation and the amount of detailed, step-by-step documentation on every Solaris topic imaginable is mind boggling. http://docs.sun.com/ Voluminous - yes Detailed - yes Usability - I have mixed feelings. Often it has been notes put up on the blogs, mailing list archives or queries on newsgroups that seem to give me the right answers. (I can count myself among those who has devoured *huge* number of documents @ docs.sun.com with each running into many 100s of pages). regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] List of OpenSolaris variant ... Re: Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris p
On 7/19/07, Stephen Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compatible?! talk to ATI customes who are at the mercy of whether AMD/ATI can be stuffed creatingn compatible kernel drivers for their distribution due to inter-distribution incompatibilities. and yet they still have drivers while our singular OpenSolaris/Solaris platform doesn't which makes me believe that it's not the multiple distribution factor which causes that. I fully agree that the lack of a stable DDI hurts Linux, and that's a strength we should continue to push with an OpenSolaris platform - but having multiple distributions with a single compatible DDI and kernel should not hinder 3rd party hardware vendors from producing drivers. I just don't see the multiple distribution argument here. The multiple distro and drivers are orthogonal to each other to a good extent (but not completely). Linux has lot more drivers since it has been many years since people have been contributing to it while incase of OpenSolaris the focus has been quite recent (x86 was not even a priority for old versions of Solaris). With some time that ground should be possible to cover. And when that happens a single or a small set of OpenSolaris distros will contribute positively as against a huge number of distros as in the case of Linux. regards Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
