Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Nibal, There are a bunch of documents that review this subject from the light to the extensive. For those of us that have done these 'migrations', we'd like to tell you that this is not an easy undertaking - but can be done. As mentioned before, read up on some migration docs concerning the matter and invite experienced consultants to discuss with you the concerns your company may have on migration issues. As a freebie, don't go with a 'fly-by-night' distro that might not be around in a year or more. Might be cool today, but won't be cool when things go wrong on an important business presentation. Hope that helps, ~ Ken Mays --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Moises Castellanos m2o...@gmail.com wrote: From: Moises Castellanos m2o...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux To: Nibal nalgh...@gmail.com Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 6:47 AM On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Nibal nalgh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I need your advice : I’m planning to migrate from windows clients OS to any Linux version, in our organization : Current Environment : Solaris 10 server OS which have Oracle Ebs 10 web – this will not change Clients : Windows XP . 200 , vista , can access oracle application internet browser with java j-initiator , outlook mail client, office applications this most important things I need to be on new system if this possible All our clients’ hardware are Intel base My question which Linux version we can select, this is mostly because of license issue , and what about openSolaris? Your mayor problem will be the j-initiator this browser plugin only runs in windows y don't know if runs with wine. My recomendation is install a test machine with Linux(Ubuntu/Fedora/openSUSE) or OpenSolaris or better install both and install all the applications your clients needs in your organization. Regards Thanks Nibal -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Is Nexenta free? No need to get license Thanks Best Regards Nibal -Original Message- From: Erast [mailto:er...@gnusolaris.org] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:50 AM To: Nibal Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux Why not use Nexenta as a Linux client - it is Debian, yet with OpenSolaris features! Nibal wrote: Hi All, I need your advice : I'm planning to migrate from windows clients OS to any Linux version, in our organization : Current Environment : Solaris 10 server OS which have Oracle Ebs 10 web - this will not change Clients : Windows XP . 200 , vista , can access oracle application internet browser with java j-initiator , outlook mail client, office applications this most important things I need to be on new system if this possible All our clients' hardware are Intel base My question which Linux version we can select, this is mostly because of license issue , and what about openSolaris? Thanks Nibal ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Ron Halstead rdhalst...@gmail.com wrote: How does this relate to opensolaris at all? If Outlook/Entourage or office applications are a requirement for your organization, then your only choices are Windows and Mac OSX. No linux or solaris. Although you can use some products that try to duplicate the functionality of Outlook / Office, they're not the same, and you will encounter some differences which may be called problems in some cases. I disagree with the above. With the availability of OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird, there is no need for Windows, and its a lot less expensive. True, there might be a learning curve, and the old fogies might gripe about the change (I'm 63 and didn't gripe a bit) but the apps work great and fill the bill. Personally, I would stay with Solaris or OpenSolaris but the advice about a consultant should be closely considered. Sorry to burst your bubble, but OpenOffice is simply nowhere near Microsoft Office. To you, perhaps, but try selling it to your Admin staff who sit in Excel all day. It doesn't even come close. Linux isn't actually much cheaper than MS for desktop users in an Enterprise until quite some time after the deployment. Your initial savings on CALs will be overshadowed by the amount you're paying to retrain your staff, your users, and to get the vendor on-site to fix the problems you are invariably and definitely going to meet. You then have the problems about the random, legacy, bespoke applications that you may not even know are running on your network that X number of users can't live without, wine doesn't cut it here. After that, you have problems as you no longer have SCCM or Group Policy, next that your users can't interact *PROPERLY* (a mozilla plugin doesn't cut it here, either) with the shiny expensive new exchange servers that were put in, and chances are your intranet was written for IE (not cheap to fix) ... the dungeon starts to collapse. To Surmise, anyone considering installing OpenSolaris for their users, in a real enterprise environment that isn't a software house, lab, or so on, should really consider a new line of work. If you're *forced* to do such a transition, do it with a linux and get the vendor on board early on to work out your migration plan and pilot the thing to death. Even then, it's going to take you a very long time to get it running properly, and you're going to get fired long before that time... Not even Linux is ready for this kind of use, let alone Solaris. --ron --houst0n -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
You're being overly dramatic. Certainly, Linux/Solaris isn't a drop-in replacement. That said, there are a great number of places where it _is_ a viable solution. It all depends on a very thorough examination of exactly what the organization is doing, how it is doing it, and what it really is trying to accomplish. Transitions need to be well-research, and the costs (both up-front, reoccurring, and in-place) cataloged ahead of time. -Erik Neil Houston wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Ron Halstead rdhalst...@gmail.com wrote: How does this relate to opensolaris at all? If Outlook/Entourage or office applications are a requirement for your organization, then your only choices are Windows and Mac OSX. No linux or solaris. Although you can use some products that try to duplicate the functionality of Outlook / Office, they're not the same, and you will encounter some differences which may be called problems in some cases. I disagree with the above. With the availability of OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird, there is no need for Windows, and its a lot less expensive. True, there might be a learning curve, and the old fogies might gripe about the change (I'm 63 and didn't gripe a bit) but the apps work great and fill the bill. Personally, I would stay with Solaris or OpenSolaris but the advice about a consultant should be closely considered. Sorry to burst your bubble, but OpenOffice is simply nowhere near Microsoft Office. To you, perhaps, but try selling it to your Admin staff who sit in Excel all day. It doesn't even come close. Linux isn't actually much cheaper than MS for desktop users in an Enterprise until quite some time after the deployment. Your initial savings on CALs will be overshadowed by the amount you're paying to retrain your staff, your users, and to get the vendor on-site to fix the problems you are invariably and definitely going to meet. You then have the problems about the random, legacy, bespoke applications that you may not even know are running on your network that X number of users can't live without, wine doesn't cut it here. After that, you have problems as you no longer have SCCM or Group Policy, next that your users can't interact *PROPERLY* (a mozilla plugin doesn't cut it here, either) with the shiny expensive new exchange servers that were put in, and chances are your intranet was written for IE (not cheap to fix) ... the dungeon starts to collapse. To Surmise, anyone considering installing OpenSolaris for their users, in a real enterprise environment that isn't a software house, lab, or so on, should really consider a new line of work. If you're *forced* to do such a transition, do it with a linux and get the vendor on board early on to work out your migration plan and pilot the thing to death. Even then, it's going to take you a very long time to get it running properly, and you're going to get fired long before that time... Not even Linux is ready for this kind of use, let alone Solaris. --ron --houst0n -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA Timezone: US/Pacific (GMT-0800) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Neil Houston wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble, but OpenOffice is simply nowhere near Microsoft Office. To you, perhaps, but try selling it to your Admin staff who sit in Excel all day. It doesn't even come close. I disagree. I have enormous spreadsheets created using Openoffice, and I have used almost every advanced feature. I have yet to find anything MS Excel does that Openoffice Calc cannot. I would be happy if you can find a specific example so I can research it. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Nibal Al-Ghoul wrote: Is Nexenta free? No need to get license Yes, Free. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
I’m planning to migrate from windows clients OS to any Linux version, in our organization : Current Environment : Solaris 10 server OS which have Oracle Ebs 10 web – this will not change Clients : Windows XP . 200 , vista , can access oracle application internet browser with java j-initiator , outlook mail client, office applications this most important things I need to be on new system if this possible How does this relate to opensolaris at all? If Outlook/Entourage or office applications are a requirement for your organization, then your only choices are Windows and Mac OSX. No linux or solaris. Although you can use some products that try to duplicate the functionality of Outlook / Office, they're not the same, and you will encounter some differences which may be called problems in some cases. If you want a linux to use as your user interface, I would suggest ubuntu. Be sure to install compiz-config-manager as soon as the installation is completed. It's not available by default, and I wouldn't use any linux system without it. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
How does this relate to opensolaris at all? If Outlook/Entourage or office applications are a requirement for your organization, then your only choices are Windows and Mac OSX. No linux or solaris. Although you can use some products that try to duplicate the functionality of Outlook / Office, they're not the same, and you will encounter some differences which may be called problems in some cases. I disagree with the above. With the availability of OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird, there is no need for Windows, and its a lot less expensive. True, there might be a learning curve, and the old fogies might gripe about the change (I'm 63 and didn't gripe a bit) but the apps work great and fill the bill. Personally, I would stay with Solaris or OpenSolaris but the advice about a consultant should be closely considered. --ron -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Is Nexenta free? No need to get license -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
absolutely free and open: http://www.nexenta.org Nibal wrote: Is Nexenta free? No need to get license ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
what about this http://www.nexenta.com/corp/ NexentaStor 2.2 trial for 45 days only ?! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Erast wrote: absolutely free and open: http://www.nexenta.org Nibal wrote: Is Nexenta free? No need to get license ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org All the Linux(es) and OpenSolaris are Free (in the sense that you don't have to pay per-seat or per-server licenses); Nexenta is an OpenSolaris derivative and is likewise free. You can download, install, and update them all for free. For all the commercial versions of Linux (Ubuntu, RedHat, SUSE, etc) plus OpenSolaris you can get paid support contracts, which will cover priority telephone support, plus access to certain custom patches and much more attention to potential problems than from Microsoft. The exact level of support you will receive depends on the vendor. The best thing (in my opinion) about the Linux/OpenSolaris model of paying only for support is that you really get something for your money, and you generally pay considerably less. Most vendors will only have you pay for support for those machines which you consider critical (i.e. the ones you really want covered) - in many cases, I see companies pay for support for their central server infrastructure, and then don't bother for their development and desktop environments; this is all perfectly legal. -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA Timezone: US/Pacific (GMT-0800) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
What is your advice Erik , which version shall we have go with ? As per your practical experience You can note my first posted message Thanks, Nibal Al-Ghoul -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
What is your advice Erik , which version shall we have to go with ? As per your practical experience You can note my first posted message Thanks, Nibal Al-Ghoul -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Nibal wrote: What is your advice Erik , which version shall we have to go with ? As per your practical experience You can note my first posted message Thanks, Nibal Al-Ghoul It's very hard to recommend which one, because I know nothing about your environment. If no one in your organization knows any of the Linux or OpenSolaris products, you really are going to have to hire an outside consultant to do the evaluation for you, and map out a migration path. It's not something that we can resolve over an email exchange. If you are interested in learning more, I recommend you go down to your local bookstore or library, and pick out one of the very excellent O'Reilly-published books on Linux. They're an excellent primer on what is available and possible on various Linux/OpenSolaris platforms. Personally (and, note, I do have a vested interest here), I like OpenSolaris or even Solaris for use on the servers - it's more flexible than many linuxes, and it's limitations are much less relevant on the server side than on the client side. And, I like Sun Support more than RedHat Support. :-) As for clients, I'm in favor of Ubuntu, generally. The 'apt-get' technology for upgrades is superior to 'rpm', and Ubuntu is more responsive than Debian (and, you can easily get commercial support from Canonical, the Ubuntu publisher), and Linux in general will run on virtually any hardware you have. But, you really do have to have someone knowledgeable look at your environment, to determine which applications you need, what is available, and what your hardware requirements are, not to mention what kind of a budget you have. -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA Timezone: US/Pacific (GMT-0800) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Hi All, I need your advice : I’m planning to migrate from windows clients OS to any Linux version, in our organization : Current Environment : Solaris 10 server OS which have Oracle Ebs 10 web – this will not change Clients : Windows XP . 200 , vista , can access oracle application internet browser with java j-initiator , outlook mail client, office applications this most important things I need to be on new system if this possible All our clients’ hardware are Intel base My question which Linux version we can select, this is mostly because of license issue , and what about openSolaris? Thanks Nibal -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Migration from windows to Linux
Why not use Nexenta as a Linux client - it is Debian, yet with OpenSolaris features! Nibal wrote: Hi All, I need your advice : I’m planning to migrate from windows clients OS to any Linux version, in our organization : Current Environment : Solaris 10 server OS which have Oracle Ebs 10 web – this will not change Clients : Windows XP . 200 , vista , can access oracle application internet browser with java j-initiator , outlook mail client, office applications this most important things I need to be on new system if this possible All our clients’ hardware are Intel base My question which Linux version we can select, this is mostly because of license issue , and what about openSolaris? Thanks Nibal ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
