Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
Gary Bainbridge wrote: AI is replacing jumpstart which is an enterprise necessity. SMF is an enterprise feature and reminds me of AIX's srcmstr. zfs is certainly an enterprise feature. A text installer is not a gui that needs gnome or anything like that. I run OpenBSD as a server and don't have X11 installed. I run AIX as a server (granted it isn't a desktop by any stretch of the imagination) and don't have X11 installed. I run Solaris as a server and don't have X11 installed. A gui isn't needed for an Enterprise OS. I run HACMP on a text screen. I run Sun Cluster from the command line. Granted, I have to use a gui for Red Hat Cluster Suite, but that is a failure of the product, I shouldn't have to (look about at HACMP and Sun Cluster). A GUI is needed for those of us who make a living developing applications for and Enterprise OS. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
Martin Bochnig ha scritto: And it needs GUI tools to administer Enterprise features. ? Regards Alex ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
I am greatful you bring up this point.There are so many reasons that opensolaris cannot return to the past and be only a server OS.I would like to think as opensoource developes free operating systems are NOT immune to customer needs wants and trends.Clearly the dominence of Solaris 10 has been effected by a dip in the enterprise hardware sales.Large scale infrastructure as we know it from the past is forcast to give way to smaller more nible infrastucture.The growing customer view is to push more usability to mobile devices and desktop.Customers have seen the power of the user interphase in widing the appeal of other os and ultimately if money is to flow in it will be as a result of mixed enterprise/desktop applications.I can see opensolaris/sun/oracle meeting their goals by completeing the tripple play.This is interoperablity from server to mobile device to support the vision of many large world organisations.The importance of convergence with telco (see Nokia booklet)is to fit the last peice of the jigsaw together making a killer customer product. In short do or death? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
Solaris is a server *and *workstation operating system, the workstation has evolved/devolved into the desktop and laptop slowly over the past 10 years so this is not a distraction at all. Onto the next point, being a desktop OS is a good way of gaining mind share, if a developer or administrator uses Solaris on his/her desktop have a guess which OS they will use when they deploy! I am a big believer that Microsoft's inroads into the data centre are owed somewhat to their success on the desktop. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:41, Gary Bainbridge g_patri...@yahoo.com wrote: It seems a lot of questions about opensolaris are directed at using it as a desktop (firefox and mplayer for example). Opensolaris is supposed to be a precursor to the next Enterprise Solaris but directing efforts at desktop features seems misguided. Solaris has always been a server OS not a desktop and I would like to see the efforts spent making Opensolaris a solid enterprise server, not a desktop OS. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
It seems a lot of questions about opensolaris are directed at using it as a desktop (firefox and mplayer for example). Opensolaris is supposed to be a precursor to the next Enterprise Solaris but directing efforts at desktop features seems misguided. Solaris has always been a server OS not a desktop and I would like to see the efforts spent making Opensolaris a solid enterprise server, not a desktop OS. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
Hello, then you see only part of the overall picture. Can't OpenSolaris offer something on the Desktop and continue to be a good server OS at the same time? A modern server OS *needs* a fancy GUI in order to survive. And it needs GUI tools to administer Enterprise features. Also, would you call upcoming AI a desktop feature? And the text installer under development right now? Or ha-cluster software? Or hp-cluster? It SMF a desktop feature? Or is ZFS? On http://mail.opensolaris.org/ you find an overview of what OpenSolaris consists of. Desktop is just a small piece in the puzzle, even though it is the most visible one. p.s. Get hold of the OpenSolaris Bible: http://www.amazon.com/OpenSolaris-Bible-Wiley-Nicholas-Solter/dp/0470385480/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1252549367sr=8-1 You will always have it as reference on your Desk, I'm sure of this. Excellent reading. (Almost too) cheap price. Cheers, Martin Bochnig On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Gary Bainbridgeg_patri...@yahoo.com wrote: It seems a lot of questions about opensolaris are directed at using it as a desktop (firefox and mplayer for example). Opensolaris is supposed to be a precursor to the next Enterprise Solaris but directing efforts at desktop features seems misguided. Solaris has always been a server OS not a desktop and I would like to see the efforts spent making Opensolaris a solid enterprise server, not a desktop OS. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
AI is replacing jumpstart which is an enterprise necessity. SMF is an enterprise feature and reminds me of AIX's srcmstr. zfs is certainly an enterprise feature. A text installer is not a gui that needs gnome or anything like that. I run OpenBSD as a server and don't have X11 installed. I run AIX as a server (granted it isn't a desktop by any stretch of the imagination) and don't have X11 installed. I run Solaris as a server and don't have X11 installed. A gui isn't needed for an Enterprise OS. I run HACMP on a text screen. I run Sun Cluster from the command line. Granted, I have to use a gui for Red Hat Cluster Suite, but that is a failure of the product, I shouldn't have to (look about at HACMP and Sun Cluster). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Gary Bainbridge g_patri...@yahoo.com wrote: AI is replacing jumpstart which is an enterprise necessity. SMF is an enterprise feature and reminds me of AIX's srcmstr. zfs is certainly an enterprise feature. A text installer is not a gui that needs gnome or anything like that. I run OpenBSD as a server and don't have X11 installed. I run AIX as a server (granted it isn't a desktop by any stretch of the imagination) and don't have X11 installed. I run Solaris as a server and don't have X11 installed. A gui isn't needed for an Enterprise OS. I run HACMP on a text screen. I run Sun Cluster from the command line. Granted, I have to use a gui for Red Hat Cluster Suite, but that is a failure of the product, I shouldn't have to (look about at HACMP and Sun Cluster). Everything true. But what's your point? You want to kill Gnome an X and want Sun to drop them? Isn't RHEL a successful server OS? Did they get to that point by neglecting or even dropping the Desktop? On the SPARC end you can see, that Sun is directly doing what you suggest. With Xsun being EOL'ed only a very limited number of frame buffers is supported now. There is no SPARC-LiveCD. And there will never be one that has a GUI caiman installer like shipping on x86. They work on a project that has the text installer which will be usable via serial. So which precise steps do you now suggest? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Gary Bainbridge g_patri...@yahoo.com wrote: AI is replacing jumpstart which is an enterprise necessity. SMF is an enterprise feature and reminds me of AIX's srcmstr. zfs is certainly an enterprise feature. A text installer is not a gui that needs gnome or anything like that. I run OpenBSD as a server and don't have X11 installed. I run AIX as a server (granted it isn't a desktop by any stretch of the imagination) and don't have X11 installed. I run Solaris as a server and don't have X11 installed. A gui isn't needed for an Enterprise OS. I run HACMP on a text screen. I run Sun Cluster from the command line. Granted, I have to use a gui for Red Hat Cluster Suite, but that is a failure of the product, I shouldn't have to (look about at HACMP and Sun Cluster). Everything true. But what's your point? You want to kill Gnome an X and want Sun to drop them? Isn't RHEL a successful server OS? Did they get to that point by neglecting or even dropping the Desktop? On the SPARC end you can see, that Sun is directly doing what you suggest. With Xsun being EOL'ed only a very limited number of frame buffers is supported now. There is no SPARC-LiveCD. And there will never be one that has a GUI caiman installer like shipping on x86. They work on a project that has the text installer which will be usable via serial. So which precise steps do you now suggest? And yes: How do you browse the web? How do you access social networking sites? Youtoube Twitter? Linkedin? With lynx and mutt? Not possible. Wait a minute. If you say you never need X11 and Gnome, you look like a MS-Windows user. So please: Leave us others the nice Desktop which OpenSolaris now has. Thanks. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris
On 10/09/2009, at 1:41 PM, Gary Bainbridge wrote: It seems a lot of questions about opensolaris are directed at using it as a desktop (firefox and mplayer for example). Opensolaris is supposed to be a precursor to the next Enterprise Solaris but directing efforts at desktop features seems misguided. Solaris has always been a server OS not a desktop and I would like to see the efforts spent making Opensolaris a solid enterprise server, not a desktop OS. I think you need to do both actually. Just because a bunch of people are working on desktop related projects, doesn't mean there's not a significant number of people working on server based projects - a look through the various putback logs to ON is clear validation that there's a lot of server oriented features going back with each and every build. What I will say is that for some, the first experience of OpenSolaris (and hopefully Solaris Next) will come through desktop. Yes, that's getting a LiveCD sent to them free or charge and installing it on bare metal on their laptop or through Xen or VirtualBox so they can do a basic evaluation of the OS. A good user experience there will reduce the barriers to adoption in the enterprise space IMO. Different audiences, but both equally valid IMO. Glynn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
