Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but java desktop environment counsumes very much cpu, I don't like it. Many Open Look fans said the same about CDE when that abomination was thrust upon us! At least dtmail uses MIME by default, rather than the old Sun-specific mail attachment scheme. A number of extensions were incorporated into either CDE as a whole (tear-off menus as equivalent to Open Look's pinnable menus, for example), or at least into Sun's (.text_extras_menu for dtpad, or maybe that made it back into the CDE base, I don't know), to accomodate Open Look users. I wouldn't go so far as to call CDE an abomination by any means; I don't think Motif is all that great, but if you want abomination, look at the output of ldd on some random GNOME app. That aside, CDE has i18n, lots of click-monkey stuff, and is quite configurable if not all that visually appealing. I've seldom had much trouble getting it to do what I wanted to, save only that there's a lot of magic that goes on between the components that would have made it easier had it been designed to be opened up more (some of the _Dt* functions in libDtSvc, some undocumented dtwm f. commands, etc). And IMO, the gap in terms of memory requirements between GNOME and CDE is quite a bit larger than that between CDE and Open Look, for quite a bit less than a proportionate amount of additional functionality that could be attributed to the GUI toolkit choice. IMO, one should be able to run openoffice + firefox + one or two other big apps plus the basic desktop stuff without needing 4GB or more RAM to run it decently. Firefox is perhaps the worst single culprit, but everything helps (or hurts), and the desktop change isn't helping. Again, I really think it's more RAM than CPU though... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
Richard L. Hamilton wrote: IMO, one should be able to run openoffice + firefox + one or two other big apps plus the basic desktop stuff without needing 4GB or more RAM to run it decently. Firefox is perhaps the worst single culprit, but everything helps (or hurts), and the desktop change isn't helping. It's the application that eat the memory. Your list ran happily with 2G of RAM (for several weeks) on a very big desktop. Runs until Firefox absorbs all the RAM... We're stuck with the change, unless pigs fly and CDE is opened. Again, I really think it's more RAM than CPU though... Indeed. Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the application that eat the memory. Your list ran happily with 2G of RAM (for several weeks) on a very big desktop. Runs until Firefox absorbs all the RAM... These days, firefox tells X to absorb the RAM and restarting firefox only partially helps. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the application that eat the memory. Your list ran happily with 2G of RAM (for several weeks) on a very big desktop. Runs until Firefox absorbs all the RAM... These days, firefox tells X to absorb the RAM and restarting firefox only partially helps. Heh. You can check the amount of RAM absorbed by X on behalf of an application via Xrestop: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xrestop Regards, Moinak. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
but java desktop environment counsumes very much cpu, I don't like it. 在2008-07-20，Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 写道： wan_jm wrote: I have installed the Solaris Express b93, but when I log in, I can only use gnome, there is no CDE in the session menu. what can i do as I want to use CDE as it consumes less cpu than GNOME. As noted many times before, CDE is in the process of being EOLd (end-of-lifed). If you want to use CDE, you'll have to stick with earlier builds, stick with Solaris 10 for now, or manually install the CDE packages from an older build onto the newer one. I believe the CDE files are still there for the moment, so you can probably manually configure your system to login. But be prepared for CDE to disappear completely in future builds. -- Shawn Walker ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
wan_jm wrote: I have installed the Solaris Express b93, but when I log in, I can only use gnome, there is no CDE in the session menu. what can i do as I want to use CDE as it consumes less cpu than GNOME. CDE was removed from the session menu as the next step in the EOL process. It's still available (for now) if you manually re-add it to the session menu - see the mail describing this at: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/desktop-discuss/2008-May/013892.html -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
I have installed the Solaris Express b93, but when I log in, I can only use gnome, there is no CDE in the session menu. what can i do as I want to use CDE as it consumes less cpu than GNOME. Most of it is still there, but I think by default gdm is being run instead of dtlogin, and the session files for CDE may no longer be present in the appropriate place under /usr/dt. However, I've upgraded from earlier builds, and am still running CDE just fine on snv_93; although since at least snv_90, there's a problem with Xsun or more likely one of the libs it depends on that causes it to die when resizing windows, but only under dtwm. Since Xsun is closed, and Xorg doesn't support my graphics hardware (unless I can get a build with Martin's ports of the BSD ffb driver working), there's probably not much I can do to figure out that problem. Most of the configuration files under /usr/dt can also have site-specific versions in the corresponding location under /etc/dt, which will be used first if found; I had overriding versions of quite a few of those which I kept, so that may also have something to do with why I'm still working. So I suspect that until all the desktop bits actually get yanked out (/usr/dt/bin and some of the CDE-specific libraries (i.e. other than Motif itself) in /usr/dt/lib), it should still be possible to make it work. Even then, it should be possible (if totally unsupported and non-redistributable) to retrofit the last functioning CDE to later builds; people have done that with the older Open Look deskset, and 99% of it still works (one or two things might be broken by now). Some time ago, there was a petition to open-source CDE. See http://www.marutan.net/cde/ It's been awhile since the last status update there, no idea if it will happen. I hope it will; there are actually quite a few tweaks available to CDE (including more active front-panel controls, like a volume knob, a digital clock, some perl scripts to automatically create holiday entries in the calendar (which will cause the digital clock to switch to an italic font on holidays), etc; and it's not hard to add menu items, application icons, backgrounds, etc; so although the appearance may not follow the latest fashion, quite a bit of cosmetic and even functional extension is possible). Heck, I'd written a tool or two to control CDE (send window manager f. commands from a shell script, for example). If CDE is open-sourced, I may be one of those interested in keeping it running on Solaris; I'm not much into desktop-ish GUI stuff in general, but I understand CDE about as well as possible for not having seen the source (having reverse-engineered some of it), and wouldn't expect to have too much trouble getting it to behave reasonably well (if not exactly in line with all of Sun's tweaks) from source. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
wan_jm wrote: I have installed the Solaris Express b93, but when I log in, I can only use gnome, there is no CDE in the session menu. what can i do as I want to use CDE as it consumes less cpu than GNOME. As noted many times before, CDE is in the process of being EOLd (end-of-lifed). If you want to use CDE, you'll have to stick with earlier builds, stick with Solaris 10 for now, or manually install the CDE packages from an older build onto the newer one. I believe the CDE files are still there for the moment, so you can probably manually configure your system to login. But be prepared for CDE to disappear completely in future builds. -- Shawn Walker ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
I gather that fvwm2 has a mode which behaves much like CDE, so while I've not tried it myself yet, you may find it worth a look, for future builds. Cheers, -- Dave Walker Client Solutions,Sun Microsystems UK Tel: +44 780 3079264 http://blogs.sun.sun.com/davew/ Sent from my iPhone On 19 Jul 2008, at 21:25, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wan_jm wrote: I have installed the Solaris Express b93, but when I log in, I can only use gnome, there is no CDE in the session menu. what can i do as I want to use CDE as it consumes less cpu than GNOME. As noted many times before, CDE is in the process of being EOLd (end-of-lifed). If you want to use CDE, you'll have to stick with earlier builds, stick with Solaris 10 for now, or manually install the CDE packages from an older build onto the newer one. I believe the CDE files are still there for the moment, so you can probably manually configure your system to login. But be prepared for CDE to disappear completely in future builds. -- Shawn Walker ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] why there is no CDE in solaris Express
I have installed the Solaris Express b93, but when I log in, I can only use gnome, there is no CDE in the session menu. what can i do as I want to use CDE as it consumes less cpu than GNOME. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
