Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
I work in the Sun Studio group. The tools-discuss alias has a fair amount of non-compiler traffic. I'm subscribed, but I don't get a chance to go through the email every day. If there was a tools-compilers (for Sun Studio and gcc) or something similar, I think I'd be able to respond to it more quickly. And I might be able to get some other Sun engineers in my area to sign up. I also subscribe to all the horrible forum updated emails, but I plow through those even less frequently than I check the tools-discuss alias emails. There is some new management interest being revived for adding proper email support to the SDN forums, but you never know if that will fly, or how long it will take. It doesn't seem like it should be that much trouble to create a new alias for OpenSolaris-related compiler questions. It would undoubtedly also collect questions about compiler-bundled tools (like dbx), and compiler questions that are not related directly to OpenSolaris. But I think that seems okay. If it eventually gets replaced by another alias, when we get proper gateways in Sun Studio forums, that should be okay too. Just my .02 --chris This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
On 6/15/07, Holger Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/11/07, Kuldip Oberoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the answer, historically, is to point folks to the tools community (5+ forums) on SDN that the Sun Studio product team monitors: http://forum.java.sun.com/category.jspa?categoryID=113 Now, there has been feedback that the SDN forum mechanism, w/o the email gateway, is less than adequate in terms of usability. That feedback has made the SDN forum mgmt team and I've asked them for a roadmap which includes this gateway feature. Did the mgmt team respond? Kuldip? Did the mgmt team respond? Holger ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Hi Holger, Partial answer. It is not currently funded, but as Sun begins its fiscal year in a few weeks, this may change. I've trying to get an assessment of what is needed (email servers, $$, people, etc.) to make it happen. I don't know all the issues around why it is prioritized where it is, but like you, I think implementing it would greatly improve SDN forum usability and participation. My other motivation is to remove this barrier so that we can make decisions on community growth that is not primarily led by infrastructure. /kso Holger Berger wrote: On 6/15/07, Holger Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/11/07, Kuldip Oberoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the answer, historically, is to point folks to the tools community (5+ forums) on SDN that the Sun Studio product team monitors: http://forum.java.sun.com/category.jspa?categoryID=113 Now, there has been feedback that the SDN forum mechanism, w/o the email gateway, is less than adequate in terms of usability. That feedback has made the SDN forum mgmt team and I've asked them for a roadmap which includes this gateway feature. Did the mgmt team respond? Kuldip? Did the mgmt team respond? Holger ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Kuldip Oberoi Product Line Mgr, Sun Studio (Web) http://developer.sun.com/sunstudio (Blog) http://blog.sun.com/koberoi ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
On 6/11/07, Kuldip Oberoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the answer, historically, is to point folks to the tools community (5+ forums) on SDN that the Sun Studio product team monitors: http://forum.java.sun.com/category.jspa?categoryID=113 Now, there has been feedback that the SDN forum mechanism, w/o the email gateway, is less than adequate in terms of usability. That feedback has made the SDN forum mgmt team and I've asked them for a roadmap which includes this gateway feature. Did the mgmt team respond? Holger ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
I think it is better to create a mailing list @opensolaris NOW than waiting for a road map from Sun management to create a commission which may decide that mailing list may be desirable in the distant future On 6/11/07, Kuldip Oberoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the answer, historically, is to point folks to the tools community (5+ forums) on SDN that the Sun Studio product team monitors: http://forum.java.sun.com/category.jspa?categoryID=113 Now, there has been feedback that the SDN forum mechanism, w/o the email gateway, is less than adequate in terms of usability. That feedback has made the SDN forum mgmt team and I've asked them for a roadmap which includes this gateway feature. From a larger perspective, how much do we widen the focus of OpenSolaris.org to included related communities, like tools? Obviously, Sun Studio is a diverse audience, which includes significant open source projects like OpenSolaris and OpenJDK. /kso William James wrote: On 5/18/07, Holger Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/15/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums on developers.sun.com. The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on opensolaris.org Holger No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org Cheers, William -- Kuldip Oberoi Product Line Mgr, Sun Studio (Web) http://developer.sun.com/sunstudio (Blog) http://blog.sun.com/koberoi ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Bruno ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
On 12/06/07, Bruno Jargot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is better to create a mailing list @opensolaris NOW than waiting for a road map from Sun management to create a commission which may decide that mailing list may be desirable in the distant future This site is really about OpenSolaris, and Sun's compilers are not part of OpenSolaris. Therefore, it doesn't make much sense to me to create a list here. While they are indirectly related due to their usage within the project, they themselves don't really have a home here. -- Less is only more where more is no good. --Frank Lloyd Wright Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
+1000 On 6/11/07, Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: William James wrote: No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org The most logical place to do that would be in the Tools community. To do it there, you'ld just need to convince them to ask for it - try discussing it on tools-discuss. I have a better idea. Since there appears to be demand in such a list (well, I have a bunch of generic (non-OpenSolaris) compiler questions, too... :-) ) I propose to simply create such a list (just a list (title: Compiler (Sun Studiogcc) mailing list), not a project) and make me the list admin - I already maintain three lists and a 4th won't hurt me much. Problem solved, customers satisfied (hopefully), rants gone... :-) Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, CJAVASunUnix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Bruno ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Shawn Walker wrote: On 12/06/07, Bruno Jargot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is better to create a mailing list @opensolaris NOW than waiting for a road map from Sun management to create a commission which may decide that mailing list may be desirable in the distant future This site is really about OpenSolaris, and Sun's compilers are not part of OpenSolaris. Therefore, it doesn't make much sense to me to create a list here. While they are indirectly related due to their usage within the project, they themselves don't really have a home here. I agree, it would be pointless to create a list for something that isn't an OpenSolaris project. If you want to ask the tool team a question, use their forums. Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
William James wrote: No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org The most logical place to do that would be in the Tools community. To do it there, you'ld just need to convince them to ask for it - try discussing it on tools-discuss. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Alan Coopersmith wrote: William James wrote: No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org The most logical place to do that would be in the Tools community. To do it there, you'ld just need to convince them to ask for it - try discussing it on tools-discuss. I have a better idea. Since there appears to be demand in such a list (well, I have a bunch of generic (non-OpenSolaris) compiler questions, too... :-) ) I propose to simply create such a list (just a list (title: Compiler (Sun Studiogcc) mailing list), not a project) and make me the list admin - I already maintain three lists and a 4th won't hurt me much. Problem solved, customers satisfied (hopefully), rants gone... :-) Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) [EMAIL PROTECTED] \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, CJAVASunUnix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 7950090 (;O/ \/ \O;) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Roland Mainz wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: William James wrote: No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org The most logical place to do that would be in the Tools community. To do it there, you'ld just need to convince them to ask for it - try discussing it on tools-discuss. I have a better idea. Since there appears to be demand in such a list (well, I have a bunch of generic (non-OpenSolaris) compiler questions, too... :-) ) I propose to simply create such a list (just a list (title: Compiler (Sun Studiogcc) mailing list), not a project) and make me the list admin - I already maintain three lists and a 4th won't hurt me much. Or simply use the developer forums where the tools team already answer questions. Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Roland Mainz wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: William James wrote: No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org The most logical place to do that would be in the Tools community. To do it there, you'ld just need to convince them to ask for it - try discussing it on tools-discuss. I have a better idea. Since there appears to be demand in such a list (well, I have a bunch of generic (non-OpenSolaris) compiler questions, too... :-) ) I propose to simply create such a list (just a list (title: Compiler (Sun Studiogcc) mailing list), not a project) and make me the list admin - I already maintain three lists and a 4th won't hurt me much. That sounds like pretty much the same idea with your name added and gcc added. You still need to go to an existing community to ask them to create it, since this isn't really a good place to request mailing lists, and the Tools community still seems the best fit. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
William James wrote: On 5/18/07, Holger Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/15/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums on developers.sun.com. The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on opensolaris.org Holger No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org Why? The compiler is AFAICT not part of the opensolaris.org community. If you have a problem with their web forums, then complain to them about it and get them to fix it. The proper course of action is not to come to another community (like OpenSolaris.org) and get a replacement list. Why not go to OpenOffice.org? Why not go to Java.com? They are just as (un)related. cheers, steve -- stephen lau // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Well, the answer, historically, is to point folks to the tools community (5+ forums) on SDN that the Sun Studio product team monitors: http://forum.java.sun.com/category.jspa?categoryID=113 Now, there has been feedback that the SDN forum mechanism, w/o the email gateway, is less than adequate in terms of usability. That feedback has made the SDN forum mgmt team and I've asked them for a roadmap which includes this gateway feature. From a larger perspective, how much do we widen the focus of OpenSolaris.org to included related communities, like tools? Obviously, Sun Studio is a diverse audience, which includes significant open source projects like OpenSolaris and OpenJDK. /kso William James wrote: On 5/18/07, Holger Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/15/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums on developers.sun.com. The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on opensolaris.org Holger No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org Cheers, William -- Kuldip Oberoi Product Line Mgr, Sun Studio (Web) http://developer.sun.com/sunstudio (Blog) http://blog.sun.com/koberoi ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
On 5/18/07, Holger Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/15/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums on developers.sun.com. The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on opensolaris.org Holger No one from Sun's compiler team did bother to respond to my emails. They may not care about good customer support but I do. I think the best way is now to move forward and create a mailing list at opensolaris.org Cheers, William -- @,,@ William James (\--/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.__.) GNU/Solaris hacker ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
On 5/15/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums on developers.sun.com. The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on opensolaris.org Holger ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on opensolaris.org Might this fall under tools-discuss? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
On 5/18/07, Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sun Studio compiler is still a central piece for Opensolaris development. Since Sun is unlikely to replace the web forum interface in the near future I support the request to create a mailing list on opensolaris.org Might this fall under tools-discuss? tools-discuss is AFAIK for Nevada build tools only. Sun Studio has a wider scope. Holger ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums on developers.sun.com. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiler mailing list?
Sun developer tools/technologies/platforms Java all use the forum infrastructure on SDN. We are also hoping to have a full email gateway, but are using what we have today. http://forum.java.sun.com/category.jspa?categoryID=113 It has a simple email notification system, watch a topic or forum, but I believe you still have to use the web interface to post. /kso Alan Coopersmith wrote: Bruno Jargot wrote: Does Opensolaris have mailing list for the Studio compiler (mailing list, not the dreaded web forum Sun uses for support)? You might find some help on tools-discuss, but the Studio compiler isn't really part of the OpenSolaris project, and they seem to like their web forums on developers.sun.com. -- Kuldip Oberoi Product Line Mgr, Sun Studio (Web) http://developer.sun.com/sunstudio (Blog) http://blog.sun.com/koberoi ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
