Re: [openstack-dev] [masakari] Propose changes of the core team

2017-10-13 Thread Bhor, Dinesh
Not a core but contributes to Masakari.


(A) Proposed to remove from Core team:
   (1) Toshikazu Ichikawa
   I think we should also consider Toshikazu Ichikawa San in "Confirm your 
availability as Core member".


B) Confirm your availability as Core member:
   Following members, please confirm your ability to contribute to
   Masakari in Queens and future cycles.
   (1) Takashi Kajinami
   (2) Masahito Muroi

   +1


(C) Add to new members to core team:
   (1) Adam Spiers (Suse)
   (2) Kengo Takahara (NTT-TX)

   ++1 Very much deserving candidates.


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From: Sam P 
Sent: 13 October 2017 15:09
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [masakari] Propose changes of the core team

Hi All Masakari Cores,

 I would like to propose following changes to Masakari core team.

Current core team:
Masahito Muroi
Rikimaru Honjo
Sampath Priyankara (samP)
Takashi Kajinami
Toshikazu Ichikawa
Tushar Patil
Yukinori Sagara

(A) Proposed to remove from Core team:
(1) Toshikazu Ichikawa
 He was one of the initial members of the project and did a great work
on design the initial Masakari API and Masakari architecture.
However, he is no longer a active member of the community.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Toshikazu for his work
on Masakari.

(B) Confirm your availability as Core member:
 Following members, please confirm your ability to contribute to
Masakari in Queens and future cycles.
(1) Takashi Kajinami
(2) Masahito Muroi
I understand that you are extremely busy with other tasks or other projects
in OpenStack. If it is difficult for you to contribute to Masakari,
I suggest that you step down from core team for now. In future, if you are
wish to participate again, then we can discuss about reinstate you as a core
member of the team.

(C) Add to new members to core team:
(1) Adam Spiers (Suse)
  I would like to add  Adam to core team. He is the current maintainer
of the openstack-resource-agents and leader of the OpenStack HA team.
Considering his technical knowledge of the subject, and past work he
has done in Masakari and related work[1][2],
I think Adam is one of the best persons we can have in our team.

(2) Kengo Takahara (NTT-TX)
 Kengo has been an active contributor to the Masakari project from Newton
 and heavily contribute to crate masakari-monitors and python-masakariclient
 from scratch [3].

All Masakari core members, please respond with your comments and objections.
Please cast your vote on (A) and (C).

[1] 
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-resource-agents-specs
[2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha
[3] 
http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all=all=commits_id=takahara.kengo@as.ntts.co.jp

--- Regards,
Sampath

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[openstack-dev] [Swift] SPDK uses Swift as a target system to support k-v store

2017-10-13 Thread We We
Hi, all

I am a newcomer in Swift, I have proposed a proposal for k-v store  in the SPDK 
community. The  proposal has submitted on 
https://trello.com/b/P5xBO7UR/things-to-do 
, please spare some time to visit 
it. In this proposal, we would like to  uses Swift as a target system to 
support k-v store. Could you please share with me if you have any ideas about 
it. I'd love to hear from your professional thoughts.

Thx,

Helloway

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread ChangBo Guo
 FeiLong, Thanks for raising the pain points as a non-English native
speaker. I had similar experience with you in last 5 years. Language,
timezone, culture are the common barriers for diversity and inclusiveness.
We could identify  what's
the biggest obstacles for contributors to contribute happily.  That could
be done through discussions occurred in local meetup/online meeting in
local language and bring conclusions back to the global community
discussion. record the obstacles and find the way to overcome them.  BTW, I
really like the TC office hours.





how you
think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
improve
first?




2017-10-14 3:22 GMT+08:00 feilong :

> Thanks for asking, Flavio. That's one of the topic I mentioned in my
> candidacy, that's because as a Chinese working on OpenStack in the past 6
> years, I do have some experiences about this though I agree it couldn't be
> done in 1 cycle/year. But I think it's still a domain I can contribute for
> OpenStack.
>
> I can still remember I had to join the Glance meeting at 2:00AM, and was
> challenged because of saying "Hi guys" in a public channel though "Hi guys"
> is used very common in New Zealand. Should we expect a non-English native
> speaker to understand the details between “Hi there", "Hi guys" and "Hi
> folks"? I think that's the language and culture barrier for many new
> contributors. We (Brian, Erno) even tried to propose a panel at summit to
> discuss it before. Currently, it's more important than ever to keep those
> new contributors due to the changes happening around OpenStack nowadays.
>
> On 14/10/17 01:45, Flavio Percoco wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe
> this is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all,
> how you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
> improve
> first?
>
> Thank you,
> Flavio
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][infra] Zuul v3 rollout, the sequel returns

2017-10-13 Thread Sam Matzek
The legacy-trove-functional-dsvm-mysql and
legacy-trove-legacy-functional-dsvm-mysql jobs are running the wrong
post_test_hook and have the trove-integration project in $PROJECTS.
As such they will always vote -1. The functional integration tests
moved into Trove proper in Ocata.  I've added more details and links
to the zuulv3-issues etherpad.

I'm not familiar enough with the job definitions to be able to work on
the fix reviews for these but would like to learn.

Sam Matzek

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Jeremy Stanley  wrote:
> The tl;dr is that we're planning to roll forward out of our partial
> Zuul v3 rollback starting at 22:00 UTC on Sunday October 15 (this
> weekend), so expect some CI downtime and all of the benefits (though
> hopefully none of the drawbacks!) you witnessed when we tried the
> first time. At that time, v2 jobs reported by the "Jenkins" account
> will cease to be relevant, and v3 jobs reported by the "Zuul"
> account will be used to determine whether your changes can merge.
>
> As Monty noted earlier in the week, our plans to roll forward onto
> Zuul v3 were halted by a number of unrelated infrastructure fires
> which demanded our immediate attention as a team, so we reluctantly
> postponed. Following a (brief) hiatus yesterday, check pipeline
> processing has been readded to zuulv3.openstack.org for all projects
> so you can get fresh results back on v3 jobs between now and our
> maintenance if you happen to be around testing it out. We also still
> have an expedited priority "infra-check" pipeline on zuulv3 for
> changes to the project-config repository so that emergency fixes
> for legacy jobs can be merged quickly, and we'll be keeping this for
> some time after the transition until it ceases to be necessary.
>
> We anticipate an outage for the CI system of somewhere between 30-60
> minutes starting at 22:00 UTC on Sunday October 15. In the meantime,
> if you've been digging into recent legacy job failures for your
> projects you should consider trying to bring them to our attention
> as soon as possible (in #openstack-infra on the Freenode IRC
> network, or replying on-list to this announcement) and work on
> fixing them if you're familiar enough with the failures to do so
> yourself. It also helps to get them onto the triage list we have
> been maintaining here:
>
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-issues
>
> We're assembling a sort of FAQ in the migration guide
> here:
>
> https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html
>
> ...and we also have some more content in progress at:
>
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-migration-faq
>
> Here's to the week ahead!
> --
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Emilien Macchi
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Flavio Percoco  wrote:
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
> inclusiveness (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I 
> believe this
> is a broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, 
> how
> you think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
> improve first?

Some rough ideas, that can be discussed as a community:

- Force changes in leadership roles: I'm believe in rotations when
that makes sense. We could think at some policy to not being at TC
more than 2 cycles in a row (can re-apply after one cycle break). Same
for PTL? (not sure on this one, some projects don't have much
volunteers do run this position). But you get the idea.
(some could ask why I didn't propose that during my TC mandate, it
just popup in my mind by writing this email).

- Keep encouraging asynchronous collaboration: dropping the TC meeting
(and adding office hours) was a good example of how we can now have
TC-related discussions around the globe without having to stay until
late in the evening. I would like to encourage other projects to look
at this concept. Hopefully we can get more contributors from around
the globe and not just in US-friendly timezone.

- Ensure projects growth: the number of core reviewers for some
projects is imho alarming. Lack of reviewers? Lack of trust? Here are
some number of the Top 5 projects (# of reviews in Pike, source
stackalitics):

#1 Nova - 12 cores
#2 Infra - 13 cores (core, not root)
#3 Cinder - 15 cores
#4 Neutron - 13 cores (not counting all plugins repos, but numbers
look good, probably thanks to the stadium)
#5 TripleO - 32
(and we can continue)

What TC can do? promote more mentoring, establish healthy policies to
promote cores in projects, by defining as a community the metrics
used, etc.


Anyway, these things are (again) rough ideas, that we can be discussed
here or somewhere else but I strongly believe we need people at TC who
can, by their experience and motivation, make our community growing in
healthy and diverse ways.
-- 
Emilien Macchi

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[openstack-dev] Developer Mailing List Digest September 30 - October 6

2017-10-13 Thread Mike Perez
HTML version: 
https://www.openstack.org/blog/2017/10/developer-mailing-list-digest-september-30-6-2017/

## Summaries
* OpenStack Technical Committee
*  [TC report 
40](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123063.html)
 by Chris Dent
* [TC report 
41](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123397.html)
 by Chris Dent
* [Technical Committee Status update, October 
6th](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123236.html)
 by Thierry Carrez
* [Technical Committee Status update, October 
13th](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123573.html)
 by Thierry Carrez
* Zuul
* [Zuul v3 Status - and Rollback 
Information](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123049.html)
  by Monty Taylor
* [Important information for people with in-repo Zuul v3 
config](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123064.html)
 by Monty Taylor
* [Zuul v3 rollout, the 
sequel](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123337.html)
 by Jeremy Stanley
* [Zuul v3 Rollout Update - devstack-gate issues 
edition](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123464.html)
 by Monty Taylor
* [Zuul v3 rollout, the sequel 
returns](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123618.html)
 by Jeremy Stanley
* [POST 
/api-sig/news](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123208.html)
* [Release countdown for week R-19, October 
13-20](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123516.html)
 by Sean McGinnis
* [QA Office Hours 
Report](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123520.html)
 by Andrea Frittoli
* [Keystone Office Hours 
Report](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123271.html)
 by Lance Bragstad
* Nova
* [Placement resource providers update 
36](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123244.html)
 by Chris Dent
* [Placement resource providers update 
38](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123581.html)
 by Chris Dent

## Sydney Forum Schedule Available
* [View it 
now!](https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/#day=2017-11-06_groups=63)

## TC Nomination Period Is Now Over
* Kendall Nelson has announced the [official candidate 
list](https://governance.openstack.org/election/#pike-tc-candidates).

## Prepping for the Stable/Newton EOL
* The [published timeline](https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html) 
is:
* Sep 29 : Final newton library releases
* Oct 09 : stable/newton branches enter Phase III
* Oct 11 : stable/newton branches get tagged EOL
* Given that those key dates were a little disrupted, Tony Breeds is proposing
  adding a week to each so the new timeline looks like:
* Oct 08 : Final newton library releases
* Oct 16 : stable/newton branches enter Phase III
* Oct 18 : stable/newton branches get tagged EOL
* 
[Thread](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/thread.html#123088)

## Policy Community Wide Goal Progress
* [The 
goal](https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/policy-in-code.html)
* [Burn down chart](https://www.lbragstad.com/policy-burndown/)
* Over half the projects attempted the goal.
* 
[Message](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123040.html)

## Tempest Plugin Split Community Wide Goal Progress
* [The 
goal](https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/split-tempest-plugins.html)
* [The 
reviews](https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:goal-split-tempest-plugins+status:open)
* List of projects which have already completed the goal:
- Barbican
- Designate
- Horizon
- Keystone
- Kuryr
- Os-win
- Sahara
- Solum
- Watcher
* List of projects which are working on the goal:
- Aodh
- Cinder
- Magnum
- Manila
- Murano
- Neutron
- Neutron L2GW
- Octavia
- Senlin
- Zaqar
- Zun
- 
[Message](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123268.html)


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[openstack-dev] [tc] [stable] [tripleo] [kolla] [ansible] [puppet] Proposing changes in stable policy for installers

2017-10-13 Thread Emilien Macchi
Greeting folks,

I hope we can get attention from stable-maint, release-managers and
installers projects.


## Background

Some projects tried hard to follow stable policy but it didn't finish
well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507924/
This policy is too strict for projects like installers, although it's
not a reason why the projects wouldn't be "stable".
We decided to discuss again about the tag and how it works for installers.

## Proposal

Proposal 1: create a new policy that fits for projects like installers.
I kicked-off something here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511968/
(open for feedback).
Content can be read here:
http://docs-draft.openstack.org/68/511968/1/check/gate-project-team-guide-docs-ubuntu-xenial/1a5b40e//doc/build/html/stable-branches.html#support-phases
Tag created here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511969/ (same,
please review).

The idea is really to not touch the current stable policy and create a
new one, more "relax" that suits well for projects like installers.

Proposal 2: change the current policy and be more relax for projects
like installers.
I haven't worked on this proposal while it was something I was
considering doing first, because I realized it could bring confusion
in which projects actually follow the real stable policy and the ones
who have exceptions.
That's why I thought having a dedicated tag would help to separate them.

Proposal 3: no change anywhere, projects like installer can't claim
stability etiquette (not my best option in my opinion).

Anyway, feedback is welcome, I'm now listening. If you work on Kolla,
TripleO, OpenStack-Ansible, PuppetOpenStack (or any project who has
this need), please get involved in the review process.

Thanks,
-- 
Emilien Macchi

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
Hi Zane,

A few comments in line.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Ildikó
(IRC: ildikov)


> On 2017. Oct 13., at 21:21, Zane Bitter  wrote:
> 
> Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I want 
> to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either failing to 
> understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it.

The great thing about this community that it consists of hundreds of 
individuals with their own experiences, expertise and view points. This also 
means that you will get interpretations of and answers to your question that 
reflect those which also helps with observing the problem space from multiple 
aspects to ensure that we come up with a good solution *together* by the end. 
This includes reiterating on the problem as well as it is often hard to express 
it for the first try to include all the aspects that’s required for others to 
interpret it the same way.

> 
> Most of the candidates are essentially saying that the answer is 'everyone'.
> 
> I'm glad that we have such a bunch of next-level geniuses running for the TC 
> that they are able to analyse the needs of all 7 billion people and evaluate 
> every decision they make against all of them in real time. Me, I'm just an 
> ordinary guy who can only hold a few things in his head at once, so I just 
> try to focus on those and collaborate with people who have different 
> perspectives to make sure that a range of needs are covered. This is kind of 
> the founding principle of the Open Source (note: not Free Software) movement, 
> actually. None of us is as smart as all of us (present company excepted, 
> apparently). So it's good, but somewhat surprising that y'all are still here, 
> given that you would be guaranteed insta-billionaires if you went out and 
> started a proprietary software company.
> 
> All sarcasm aside though, 'everyone' is a BS non-answer. It's the 
> politician's answer.

All sarcasm aside, it’s a generic answer to a generic question. On the other 
hand ‘everyone' also represents a mindset of thinking about the aspect that 
someone will use your feature when you design the API to it, which should be a 
starting point and not the failing/ending point of the discussion.

> Not only because engineering trade-offs are a real thing, and some use cases 
> will *definitely* be excluded in order to better serve others, but because 
> the average user doesn't exist. If you design for the 'average' user then you 
> are designing for nobody, because nobody is the average user. We shouldn't be 
> designing for 'everybody' (aka nobody in particular), but for a large variety 
> of somebodies.
> 
> As an example, look at the Keystone discussion that I linked below.
> - If you were designing Keystone for an individual user, you'd might just 
> have one account per tenant.
> - If you were designing Keystone for a team deploying semi-autonomous apps, 
> you might design a way for multiple agents to authenticate to each tenant.
> - If you were designing Keystone for 'everyone', you might have a matrix of 
> users, tenants and roles - the most generic solution, right? - and spend half 
> a decade polishing it without ever realising that individual users don't need 
> it and teams can't use it.
> 
> One of these solutions works for both individuals and teams. The other two 
> only work for individuals. As an added bonus, one of those is also expensive 
> to develop and hard to operate. That's why we should design for someones, not 
> for 'everyone'. This is not a problem limited to Keystone - throughout 
> OpenStack we often fail to develop solutions that can actually be used by the 
> people whom we say we're building them for, IMHO.
> 
> I'm not asking y'all to say that some group of end-users is unimportant even 
> though the question is trying to keep the bar extremely low by asking about 
> only one group. Nor am I asking y'all to say that operators are unimportant, 
> even though the question is *explicitly* *NOT* about operators.
> 
> I'm asking if you can describe, to a modest level of detail, even one *end* 
> user persona for OpenStack that you're familiar enough with to be comfortable 
> advocating for on the TC.

To answer your more specific question, let me pick a Telecom operator to 
advocate for. Please don’t get mislead by the word ‘operator’ here, it is the 
term what the industry uses in that sector and they are representing one group 
of our users.

A Telecom operator has various requirements and challenges when it comes to 
cloud and open source and especially the two together. They are by definition 
looking for a solution that follows standards and guidelines defined by various 
Standards Development Organizations (SDO’s), which already puts a challenge on 
the API design and the people also who do the design and development 
activities. Especially in an open source environment, where let’s face it, we 
usually don’t really care however there are 

[openstack-dev] [nova][cinder] Proposal to provide volume-backed flavors

2017-10-13 Thread Matt Riedemann
We've talked about this since the Boston Forum and talked about it again 
in Denver at the PTG. I finally got the spec written for a proposal to 
provide volume-backed flavors in Nova:


https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511965/

It's a WIP right now because of a TODO in there about how the field 
should actually be handled, if it's a boolean or an enum so operators 
can tailor the functionality based on their needs.


I'm posting this here so I can get feedback on the spec. It also details 
several of the past alternative attempts at doing something like this, 
and hopefully captures the problems and use cases we're trying to 
address for both end users and operators.


Nova spec freeze for Queens is less than a week away, on October 19th, 
so any feedback I can get is appreciated, and the sooner the better 
(says the guy that dumps this on you late on a Friday the week before 
it's due).


--

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: [openstack-dev] [puppet] Proposing Alfredo Moralejo core on puppet-openstack-integration

2017-10-13 Thread Iury Gregory
+1

On Oct 13, 2017 17:13, "Alex Schultz"  wrote:

+1 thanks for the great contributions

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Mohammed Naser 
wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Emilien Macchi 
wrote:
>>
>> Alfredo has been doing an incredible work on maintaining Puppet
>> OpenStack CI; by always testing OpenStack from trunk and taking care
>> of issues. He has been involved in fixing the actual CI problems in
>> OpenStack projects but also maintaining puppet-openstack-integration
>> repository in a consistent and solid manner.
>> Also, he has an excellent understanding how things work in this
>> project and I would like to propose him part of p-o-i maintainers
>> (among the rest of the whole core team and also dmsimard).
>
>
> Indeed, Alfredo has helped us a lot by giving assistance from the
packagers
> side of things and making sure that they release working packages, and
> proposing fixes for issues that block promotion of packages to avoid
> breaking our CI.
>
> +2 from me :)
>
>>
>>
>> As usual, feel free to vote and give feedback.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Ed Leafe
On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Zane Bitter  wrote:

> All sarcasm aside though, 'everyone' is a BS non-answer. It's the 
> politician's answer.
> 
> Not only because engineering trade-offs are a real thing, and some use cases 
> will *definitely* be excluded in order to better serve others, but because 
> the average user doesn't exist. If you design for the 'average' user then you 
> are designing for nobody, because nobody is the average user. We shouldn't be 
> designing for 'everybody' (aka nobody in particular), but for a large variety 
> of somebodies.

I wish all candidates, not just TC candidates, got follow-up questions like 
this. Bravo, Zane!


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Re: [openstack-dev] [puppet] Proposing Alfredo Moralejo core on puppet-openstack-integration

2017-10-13 Thread Alex Schultz
+1 thanks for the great contributions

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Mohammed Naser  wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Emilien Macchi  wrote:
>>
>> Alfredo has been doing an incredible work on maintaining Puppet
>> OpenStack CI; by always testing OpenStack from trunk and taking care
>> of issues. He has been involved in fixing the actual CI problems in
>> OpenStack projects but also maintaining puppet-openstack-integration
>> repository in a consistent and solid manner.
>> Also, he has an excellent understanding how things work in this
>> project and I would like to propose him part of p-o-i maintainers
>> (among the rest of the whole core team and also dmsimard).
>
>
> Indeed, Alfredo has helped us a lot by giving assistance from the packagers
> side of things and making sure that they release working packages, and
> proposing fixes for issues that block promotion of packages to avoid
> breaking our CI.
>
> +2 from me :)
>
>>
>>
>> As usual, feel free to vote and give feedback.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
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[openstack-dev] [all][infra] Zuul v3 rollout, the sequel returns

2017-10-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
The tl;dr is that we're planning to roll forward out of our partial
Zuul v3 rollback starting at 22:00 UTC on Sunday October 15 (this
weekend), so expect some CI downtime and all of the benefits (though
hopefully none of the drawbacks!) you witnessed when we tried the
first time. At that time, v2 jobs reported by the "Jenkins" account
will cease to be relevant, and v3 jobs reported by the "Zuul"
account will be used to determine whether your changes can merge.

As Monty noted earlier in the week, our plans to roll forward onto
Zuul v3 were halted by a number of unrelated infrastructure fires
which demanded our immediate attention as a team, so we reluctantly
postponed. Following a (brief) hiatus yesterday, check pipeline
processing has been readded to zuulv3.openstack.org for all projects
so you can get fresh results back on v3 jobs between now and our
maintenance if you happen to be around testing it out. We also still
have an expedited priority "infra-check" pipeline on zuulv3 for
changes to the project-config repository so that emergency fixes
for legacy jobs can be merged quickly, and we'll be keeping this for
some time after the transition until it ceases to be necessary.

We anticipate an outage for the CI system of somewhere between 30-60
minutes starting at 22:00 UTC on Sunday October 15. In the meantime,
if you've been digging into recent legacy job failures for your
projects you should consider trying to bring them to our attention
as soon as possible (in #openstack-infra on the Freenode IRC
network, or replying on-list to this announcement) and work on
fixing them if you're familiar enough with the failures to do so
yourself. It also helps to get them onto the triage list we have
been maintaining here:

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-issues

We're assembling a sort of FAQ in the migration guide
here:

https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html

...and we also have some more content in progress at:

https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-migration-faq

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread feilong
Interesting, now I like this thread more. Back to the original question
"what does an OpenStack user look like?", I'd like to translate it as
"what does a cloud user look like?". Unless we want to limit "OpenStack"
as a software for VPS service. IMHO, the cloud user is developers, who
can use the services provided by the cloud platform to fully automate
their services/products. But unfortunately, we're still far away from
that, especially given Zaqar's adoption is still low :(


On 14/10/17 08:21, Zane Bitter wrote:
> Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I
> want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly
> either failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I
> intended it.
>
> Most of the candidates are essentially saying that the answer is
> 'everyone'.
>
> I'm glad that we have such a bunch of next-level geniuses running for
> the TC that they are able to analyse the needs of all 7 billion people
> and evaluate every decision they make against all of them in real
> time. Me, I'm just an ordinary guy who can only hold a few things in
> his head at once, so I just try to focus on those and collaborate with
> people who have different perspectives to make sure that a range of
> needs are covered. This is kind of the founding principle of the Open
> Source (note: not Free Software) movement, actually. None of us is as
> smart as all of us (present company excepted, apparently). So it's
> good, but somewhat surprising that y'all are still here, given that
> you would be guaranteed insta-billionaires if you went out and started
> a proprietary software company.
>
> All sarcasm aside though, 'everyone' is a BS non-answer. It's the
> politician's answer.
>
> Not only because engineering trade-offs are a real thing, and some use
> cases will *definitely* be excluded in order to better serve others,
> but because the average user doesn't exist. If you design for the
> 'average' user then you are designing for nobody, because nobody is
> the average user. We shouldn't be designing for 'everybody' (aka
> nobody in particular), but for a large variety of somebodies.
>
> As an example, look at the Keystone discussion that I linked below.
> - If you were designing Keystone for an individual user, you'd might
> just have one account per tenant.
> - If you were designing Keystone for a team deploying semi-autonomous
> apps, you might design a way for multiple agents to authenticate to
> each tenant.
> - If you were designing Keystone for 'everyone', you might have a
> matrix of users, tenants and roles - the most generic solution, right?
> - and spend half a decade polishing it without ever realising that
> individual users don't need it and teams can't use it.
>
> One of these solutions works for both individuals and teams. The other
> two only work for individuals. As an added bonus, one of those is also
> expensive to develop and hard to operate. That's why we should design
> for someones, not for 'everyone'. This is not a problem limited to
> Keystone - throughout OpenStack we often fail to develop solutions
> that can actually be used by the people whom we say we're building
> them for, IMHO.
>
> I'm not asking y'all to say that some group of end-users is
> unimportant even though the question is trying to keep the bar
> extremely low by asking about only one group. Nor am I asking y'all to
> say that operators are unimportant, even though the question is
> *explicitly* *NOT* about operators.
>
> I'm asking if you can describe, to a modest level of detail, even one
> *end* user persona for OpenStack that you're familiar enough with to
> be comfortable advocating for on the TC.
>
> So far the answer I'm hearing mostly translates as 'no'. (Props to the
> folks who did actually answer though!) Does anybody want to try again?
>
> cheers,
> Zane.
>
> On 12/10/17 12:51, Zane Bitter wrote:
>> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack
>> for. When I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it
>> will affect these hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I
>> mean end-users, the actual consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it
>> enable them to do? What will they have to work around? I think we
>> probably all do this, at least subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing
>> it consciously.)
>>
>> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or
>> anyone else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical
>> OpenStack user that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are
>> _you_ building OpenStack for?
>>
>> There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123312.html
>>
>>
>> To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person
>> who needs somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in
>> my opinion is that we have a bunch of people with *different* answers
>> on the TC, because I think that 

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread feilong
Thanks for asking, Flavio. That's one of the topic I mentioned in my
candidacy, that's because as a Chinese working on OpenStack in the past
6 years, I do have some experiences about this though I agree it
couldn't be done in 1 cycle/year. But I think it's still a domain I can
contribute for OpenStack.

I can still remember I had to join the Glance meeting at 2:00AM, and was
challenged because of saying "Hi guys" in a public channel though "Hi
guys" is used very common in New Zealand. Should we expect a non-English
native speaker to understand the details between “Hi there", "Hi guys"
and "Hi folks"? I think that's the language and culture barrier for many
new contributors. We (Brian, Erno) even tried to propose a panel at
summit to discuss it before. Currently, it's more important than ever to
keep those new contributors due to the changes happening around
OpenStack nowadays.


On 14/10/17 01:45, Flavio Percoco wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe
> this is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from
> y'all, how you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
> improve
> first?
>
> Thank you,
> Flavio
>
> -- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Zane Bitter
Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I 
want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either 
failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it.


Most of the candidates are essentially saying that the answer is 'everyone'.

I'm glad that we have such a bunch of next-level geniuses running for 
the TC that they are able to analyse the needs of all 7 billion people 
and evaluate every decision they make against all of them in real time. 
Me, I'm just an ordinary guy who can only hold a few things in his head 
at once, so I just try to focus on those and collaborate with people who 
have different perspectives to make sure that a range of needs are 
covered. This is kind of the founding principle of the Open Source 
(note: not Free Software) movement, actually. None of us is as smart as 
all of us (present company excepted, apparently). So it's good, but 
somewhat surprising that y'all are still here, given that you would be 
guaranteed insta-billionaires if you went out and started a proprietary 
software company.


All sarcasm aside though, 'everyone' is a BS non-answer. It's the 
politician's answer.


Not only because engineering trade-offs are a real thing, and some use 
cases will *definitely* be excluded in order to better serve others, but 
because the average user doesn't exist. If you design for the 'average' 
user then you are designing for nobody, because nobody is the average 
user. We shouldn't be designing for 'everybody' (aka nobody in 
particular), but for a large variety of somebodies.


As an example, look at the Keystone discussion that I linked below.
- If you were designing Keystone for an individual user, you'd might 
just have one account per tenant.
- If you were designing Keystone for a team deploying semi-autonomous 
apps, you might design a way for multiple agents to authenticate to each 
tenant.
- If you were designing Keystone for 'everyone', you might have a matrix 
of users, tenants and roles - the most generic solution, right? - and 
spend half a decade polishing it without ever realising that individual 
users don't need it and teams can't use it.


One of these solutions works for both individuals and teams. The other 
two only work for individuals. As an added bonus, one of those is also 
expensive to develop and hard to operate. That's why we should design 
for someones, not for 'everyone'. This is not a problem limited to 
Keystone - throughout OpenStack we often fail to develop solutions that 
can actually be used by the people whom we say we're building them for, 
IMHO.


I'm not asking y'all to say that some group of end-users is unimportant 
even though the question is trying to keep the bar extremely low by 
asking about only one group. Nor am I asking y'all to say that operators 
are unimportant, even though the question is *explicitly* *NOT* about 
operators.


I'm asking if you can describe, to a modest level of detail, even one 
*end* user persona for OpenStack that you're familiar enough with to be 
comfortable advocating for on the TC.


So far the answer I'm hearing mostly translates as 'no'. (Props to the 
folks who did actually answer though!) Does anybody want to try again?


cheers,
Zane.

On 12/10/17 12:51, Zane Bitter wrote:
In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for. 
When I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it will affect 
these hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I mean end-users, 
the actual consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it enable them to do? 
What will they have to work around? I think we probably all do this, at 
least subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing it consciously.)


So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or anyone 
else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical OpenStack 
user that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are _you_ building 
OpenStack for?


There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123312.html

To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person who 
needs somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in my 
opinion is that we have a bunch of people with *different* answers on 
the TC, because I think that will lead to better discussion and 
hopefully better decisions.


Discuss.

cheers,
Zane.



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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Sam Yaple
I used to be able to say "my OpenStack background is in Operations" but
that isn't strictly true anymore. I've now spent the majority of my time
doing what is considered 'developer' work. One thing is for certain though,
I have never stopped building OpenStack for what I see as the "hypothetical
OpenStack user".

The majority of these users in my experince are actually small-to-medium
businesses. While the large companies of the world certainly drive alot of
OpenStack, the users that I see are much smaller than that. Small 5-10 node
clusters. That is who I am building OpenStack for. That happens to also be
the group that I am in personally, as thats what I run at my house.

Most of my focus is on lowering the bar to use services to give these
small-to-medium businesses the least amount of work to do to gain access to
almost everything OpenStack has to offer with a very small operational
overhead for the team. My personal experince with this is currently it can
take a small team months to get a working openstack deployment, and then
simply maintaining that deployment will consume the rest of thier time.
This leads to OpenStack deployments that are years out of date on an island
that has no real upgrade path anymore and a general sense that "OpenStack
is bad" internally. I am building OpenStack for users so that this stops
happening.

Thanks,
SamYaple

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Zane Bitter  wrote:

> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have
> the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends on
> Saturday, so make with the questions.)
>
>
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for.
> When I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it will affect
> these hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I mean end-users, the
> actual consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it enable them to do? What
> will they have to work around? I think we probably all do this, at least
> subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing it consciously.)
>
> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or anyone
> else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical OpenStack user
> that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are _you_ building
> OpenStack for?
>
> There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-Octo
> ber/123312.html
>
> To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person who
> needs somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in my opinion
> is that we have a bunch of people with *different* answers on the TC,
> because I think that will lead to better discussion and hopefully better
> decisions.
>
> Discuss.
>
> cheers,
> Zane.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Amrith Kumar
Thanks Doug, I didn't know what caused the "Welcome New Contributor"
thing show up in reviews, but that is exactly what I used to look for.

-amrith



On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Doug Hellmann  wrote:
> Excerpts from Amrith Kumar's message of 2017-10-13 13:32:54 -0400:
>> Flavio,
>>
>> Some months back I looked at a slide that Thierry showed at a meeting;
>> it showed contributor statistics and it showed that there were a large
>> number of contributors who made exactly 1 commit which sometimes got
>> merged, but there was a huge drop off from 1 commit to 2 commits!
>>
>> So I got to thinking about what could cause that and how one could get
>> to the second commit (once you're hooked, you are hooked!).
>>
>> To that end, I tried to give priority to first time committers; if I
>> saw a commit that said "New Contributor", I try to not only thank them
>> for it, but also be much more responsive. I hope that helped at least
>> one contributor go from 1st commit to 2nd commit.
>
> This is a great point. It's easy to find new contributors because
> we have a bot that drops a welcome message on their patch, and
> gerrit can query by reviewer:
>
> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewer:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!%22+status:open,n,z
>
>>
>> Other than that, working (with Dims) trying to take up a number of
>> initiatives that bring new contributors to OpenStack including
>>
>> - speaking to university students (a project I proposed a while back
>> called OpenStack in the classroom[1])
>> - making presentations at Summit(s) meetups, and any other place which
>> will have us to tell people about OpenStack[2].
>> - participate (as a mentor) in the OpenStack mentorship program, the
>> Women of OpenStack program, and a myriad of other non-OpenStack
>> community development programs
>>
>> Shameless plug for Dims & my presentation at Summit in Sydney about
>> contributing to OpenStack [2].
>>
>> Thanks for the question!
>>
>> -amrith
>>
>> [1] http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/qadfotwkoj6alivj
>> [2] 
>> https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19116/getting-started-with-contributing-to-openstack-dos-and-donts
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Flavio Percoco  wrote:
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
>> > inclusiveness
>> > (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this
>> > is a
>> > broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how
>> > you
>> > think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
>> > improve
>> > first?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Flavio
>> >
>> > --
>> > @flaper87
>> > Flavio Percoco
>> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][infra] Zuul v3 rollout, the sequel

2017-10-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2017-10-13 07:15:03 -0600 (-0600), Boden Russell wrote:
> How can projects validate zuul v3 jobs in our current state to prepare
> for the transition?
> Some projects don't even have a verified zuul v3 patch [1] and thus
> really have no way to test and work through v3 issues (IIUC).
> 
> Is there a way we can leave v3 non-gating and let projects request
> moving to gating v3 jobs on a per-project basis (e.g. project X is ready
> for v3, make v3 gating for X now)? This would allow them the time they
> need to transition with minimal impact to their pipeline.
[...]

Yes, now that we have the situation with the logs site under
control, we're working on getting v3 running check jobs for all
projects again in an advisory fashion (hopefully within the next few
hours).
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Amrith Kumar's message of 2017-10-13 13:32:54 -0400:
> Flavio,
> 
> Some months back I looked at a slide that Thierry showed at a meeting;
> it showed contributor statistics and it showed that there were a large
> number of contributors who made exactly 1 commit which sometimes got
> merged, but there was a huge drop off from 1 commit to 2 commits!
> 
> So I got to thinking about what could cause that and how one could get
> to the second commit (once you're hooked, you are hooked!).
> 
> To that end, I tried to give priority to first time committers; if I
> saw a commit that said "New Contributor", I try to not only thank them
> for it, but also be much more responsive. I hope that helped at least
> one contributor go from 1st commit to 2nd commit.

This is a great point. It's easy to find new contributors because
we have a bot that drops a welcome message on their patch, and
gerrit can query by reviewer:

https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewer:%22Welcome%252C+new+contributor!%22+status:open,n,z

> 
> Other than that, working (with Dims) trying to take up a number of
> initiatives that bring new contributors to OpenStack including
> 
> - speaking to university students (a project I proposed a while back
> called OpenStack in the classroom[1])
> - making presentations at Summit(s) meetups, and any other place which
> will have us to tell people about OpenStack[2].
> - participate (as a mentor) in the OpenStack mentorship program, the
> Women of OpenStack program, and a myriad of other non-OpenStack
> community development programs
> 
> Shameless plug for Dims & my presentation at Summit in Sydney about
> contributing to OpenStack [2].
> 
> Thanks for the question!
> 
> -amrith
> 
> [1] http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/qadfotwkoj6alivj
> [2] 
> https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19116/getting-started-with-contributing-to-openstack-dos-and-donts
> 
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Flavio Percoco  wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
> > inclusiveness
> > (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this
> > is a
> > broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how
> > you
> > think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
> > improve
> > first?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Flavio
> >
> > --
> > @flaper87
> > Flavio Percoco
> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [puppet] Proposing Alfredo Moralejo core on puppet-openstack-integration

2017-10-13 Thread Mohammed Naser
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Emilien Macchi  wrote:

> Alfredo has been doing an incredible work on maintaining Puppet
> OpenStack CI; by always testing OpenStack from trunk and taking care
> of issues. He has been involved in fixing the actual CI problems in
> OpenStack projects but also maintaining puppet-openstack-integration
> repository in a consistent and solid manner.
> Also, he has an excellent understanding how things work in this
> project and I would like to propose him part of p-o-i maintainers
> (among the rest of the whole core team and also dmsimard).
>

Indeed, Alfredo has helped us a lot by giving assistance from the packagers
side of things and making sure that they release working packages, and
proposing fixes for issues that block promotion of packages to avoid
breaking our CI.

+2 from me :)


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> As usual, feel free to vote and give feedback.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Ed Leafe's message of 2017-10-12 13:38:03 -0500:
> In the past year or so, has there been anything that made you think “I wish 
> the TC would do something about that!” ? If so, what was it, and what would 
> you have wanted the TC to do about it?
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
> 

The main issue that I have that hasn't been fully addressed over
the last year is with driver teams. We're still working on how best
to address that situation, and I hope we'll have it resolved over the
next term.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Amrith Kumar
Flavio,

Some months back I looked at a slide that Thierry showed at a meeting;
it showed contributor statistics and it showed that there were a large
number of contributors who made exactly 1 commit which sometimes got
merged, but there was a huge drop off from 1 commit to 2 commits!

So I got to thinking about what could cause that and how one could get
to the second commit (once you're hooked, you are hooked!).

To that end, I tried to give priority to first time committers; if I
saw a commit that said "New Contributor", I try to not only thank them
for it, but also be much more responsive. I hope that helped at least
one contributor go from 1st commit to 2nd commit.

Other than that, working (with Dims) trying to take up a number of
initiatives that bring new contributors to OpenStack including

- speaking to university students (a project I proposed a while back
called OpenStack in the classroom[1])
- making presentations at Summit(s) meetups, and any other place which
will have us to tell people about OpenStack[2].
- participate (as a mentor) in the OpenStack mentorship program, the
Women of OpenStack program, and a myriad of other non-OpenStack
community development programs

Shameless plug for Dims & my presentation at Summit in Sydney about
contributing to OpenStack [2].

Thanks for the question!

-amrith

[1] http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/qadfotwkoj6alivj
[2] 
https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19116/getting-started-with-contributing-to-openstack-dos-and-donts

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Flavio Percoco  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this
> is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how
> you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
> improve
> first?
>
> Thank you,
> Flavio
>
> --
> @flaper87
> Flavio Percoco
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Andrea Frittoli
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:51 PM Zane Bitter  wrote:

> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have
> the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends
> on Saturday, so make with the questions.)
>
>
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for.
> When I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it will affect
> these hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I mean end-users,
> the actual consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it enable them to do?
> What will they have to work around? I think we probably all do this, at
> least subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing it consciously.)
>
> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or anyone
> else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical OpenStack
> user that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are _you_ building
> OpenStack for?
>


Unlike a few years ago we don't walk so much in the dark anymore.
We now know a lot of our users because:
- some are contributors to OpenStack. OpenStack developers but not only.
With
  contributors to OpenStack I don't mean only code, but any kind of
contribution,
  like presenting and discussing use cases at the PTG, at the forum or on
the
  mailing list, providing feedback, ideas, resources and even motivation.
- some are adjacent communities that depend on or collaborate with
OpenStack.
- some answer our user survey.

So who am _I_ building OpenStack for?

- For OpenStack developers, since I work mostly on QA and CI
- For the users that are closer to the OpenStack community. I don't want to
focus
  on hypothetical users that don't care to talk to the OpenStack community.
  Consistency across projects in they way they different projects are
built, tested,
  deployed, operated, documented and consumed is important for this type of
users.
- I build it to be a good software for everyone to use. I care about
usability, good
  documentation, stable APIs, proper logging features that
  make it a good software for anyone to invest their time on.

Faithfully,

Andrea Frittoli (andreaf)


> There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123312.html
>
> To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person who
> needs somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in my
> opinion is that we have a bunch of people with *different* answers on
> the TC, because I think that will lead to better discussion and
> hopefully better decisions.
>
> Discuss.
>
> cheers,
> Zane.
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Re: [openstack-dev] [puppet] Proposing Alfredo Moralejo core on puppet-openstack-integration

2017-10-13 Thread David Moreau Simard
+1, Alfredo rocks.

David Moreau Simard
Senior Software Engineer | OpenStack RDO

dmsimard = [irc, github, twitter]


On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Emilien Macchi  wrote:
> Alfredo has been doing an incredible work on maintaining Puppet
> OpenStack CI; by always testing OpenStack from trunk and taking care
> of issues. He has been involved in fixing the actual CI problems in
> OpenStack projects but also maintaining puppet-openstack-integration
> repository in a consistent and solid manner.
> Also, he has an excellent understanding how things work in this
> project and I would like to propose him part of p-o-i maintainers
> (among the rest of the whole core team and also dmsimard).
>
> As usual, feel free to vote and give feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> --
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Paul Belanger's message of 2017-10-12 23:13:11 -0400:
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:42:46PM -0700, Clay Gerrard wrote:
> > I like a representative democracy.  It mostly means I get a say in which
> > other people I have to trust to think deeply about issues which effect me
> > and make decisions which I agree (more or less) are of benefit to the
> > social groups in which I participate.  When I vote IRL I like to consider
> > voting records.  Actions speak louder blah blah.
> > 
> > To candidates:
> > 
> > Would you please self select a change (or changes) from
> > https://github.com/openstack/governance/ in the past ~12 mo or so where
> > they thought the outcome or the discussion/process was particular good and
> > explain why you think so?
> > 
> > It'd be super helpful to me, thanks!
> > 
> > -Clay
> 
> 2017-05-30 Guidelines for Managing Releases of Binary Artifacts [1].
> 
> It would have to be 469265[2] that Doug Hellmann proposed after the OpenStack
> Summit in Boston. There has been a lot of passionate people in the community
> that have been asking for containers, specifically docker in this case.
> 
> Regardless of what side you are in the debate of container vs VM, together as 
> a
> community we had discussions on what the guideline would look like.
> Individually, each project had a specific notion of what publishing containers
> would look like, but the TC help navigate some of the technical issues around
> binary vs source releasing, versioning and branding (to name a few).
> 
> While there is still work to be done on getting the publishing pipeline
> finalized, I like to think the interested parties in binary artifacts are 
> happy
> we now have governance in place.
> 
> [1] 
> http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/resolutions/20170530-binary-artifacts.rst
> [2] https://review.openstack.org/469265/
> 

Thanks for highlighting that one, Paul. I agree that was a particularly
good outcome. Everyone involved listened to each other, came to a
common understanding of both the technical and social issues involved,
and worked on the resulting wording together. And it all happened
relatively quickly, too, given how contentious it seemed like it
was going to be at the outset.

Doug

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[openstack-dev] [puppet] Proposing Alfredo Moralejo core on puppet-openstack-integration

2017-10-13 Thread Emilien Macchi
Alfredo has been doing an incredible work on maintaining Puppet
OpenStack CI; by always testing OpenStack from trunk and taking care
of issues. He has been involved in fixing the actual CI problems in
OpenStack projects but also maintaining puppet-openstack-integration
repository in a consistent and solid manner.
Also, he has an excellent understanding how things work in this
project and I would like to propose him part of p-o-i maintainers
(among the rest of the whole core team and also dmsimard).

As usual, feel free to vote and give feedback.

Thanks,
-- 
Emilien Macchi

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2017-10-13 14:45:28 +0200:
> Greetings,
> 
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and 
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this 
> is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how 
> you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you improve
> first?
> 
> Thank you,
> Flavio
> 

If I had a magic wand, I would use it to find all of the -1 reviews
in gerrit for typos, wording clarifications, markup corrections,
variable naming disagreements, and other minor issues and turn them
into +1/+2 votes with a follow-up patch from the reviewer to fix
the problems.

I think this one small change would transform our review culture
from one of "seeking perfection in others" to "helping each other
find perfection together", and the result would make us more welcoming
to contributors of all types.

Doug

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Amrith Kumar
Zane, thanks for the question.

Let me answer from the perspective of an OpenStack user (I work for
Verizon) and from a developer (both now, and in the past as part of
Tesora). OpenStack has multiple different users:

- Deployers:  People who deploy OpenStack and operate a cloud environment.

- Product Companies: This is a broad collective of things like
solutions providers, distribution providers; companies that don't
operate OpenStack but write and sell software that others can operate
in their OpenStack deployment, and are participants in the OpenStack
community/ecosystem.

- End Users: People who consume OpenStack services (offered by
deployers). This is particularly important in the case of PaaS
projects (like Trove which I work on).

To me, the first (Deployers) and the third (End Users) are top of mind
because that is who we should be building for. I work in a team that
represents these two constituencies, we operate OpenStack and consume
the services of OpenStack.

Thanks,

-amrith



On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Zane Bitter  wrote:
> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have the
> opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends on
> Saturday, so make with the questions.)
>
>
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for. When
> I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it will affect these
> hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I mean end-users, the actual
> consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it enable them to do? What will they
> have to work around? I think we probably all do this, at least
> subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing it consciously.)
>
> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or anyone
> else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical OpenStack user
> that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are _you_ building OpenStack
> for?
>
> There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123312.html
>
> To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person who
> needs somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in my opinion
> is that we have a bunch of people with *different* answers on the TC,
> because I think that will lead to better discussion and hopefully better
> decisions.
>
> Discuss.
>
> cheers,
> Zane.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Amrith Kumar
Clay,

Great question and one that made me think quite a bit. I believe that
while the commits in the Governance repo represent the visible actions
of the TC, the real leadership ability of the TC is often in the
actions that it inspires in people in the community. The TC is a body
that has to lead without any real authority over the individuals that
they lead, which makes it a very interesting form of leadership.

To the specific reviews, I'll pick three [1], [2] and [3]. Let me explain.

The first is a commit that I authored for the governance repository to
formalize the creation of the Stewardship Working Group (SWG). This
group then drove the discussions around the TC Vision which is the
subject of the third review. I'm very thankful for the leadership and
drive that Collette Alexander brought in getting a number of us
together in Detroit to meet and discuss where the TC was and where it
should be going. I was lucky to be one of the non-TC participants at
that meeting and worked with the group that later created the TC
vision which was also well discussed in the community.

The second is another review that I proposed that relates to the
maintenance-mode tag for projects to reflect (accurately) to deployers
and users (collectively to customers) the state of projects that are
not actively being developed.

You explicitly said that "actions speak louder ...", so let me
highlight that the reviews that I cite are ones that I either authored
or participated actively in.

Thanks for the question.

-amrith

[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337895/
[2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449925/
[3] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453262/

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Clay Gerrard  wrote:
> I like a representative democracy.  It mostly means I get a say in which
> other people I have to trust to think deeply about issues which effect me
> and make decisions which I agree (more or less) are of benefit to the social
> groups in which I participate.  When I vote IRL I like to consider voting
> records.  Actions speak louder blah blah.
>
> To candidates:
>
> Would you please self select a change (or changes) from
> https://github.com/openstack/governance/ in the past ~12 mo or so where they
> thought the outcome or the discussion/process was particular good and
> explain why you think so?
>
> It'd be super helpful to me, thanks!
>
> -Clay
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Graham Hayes


On 13/10/17 13:45, Flavio Percoco wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe
> this is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all,
> how you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
> improve
> first?
> 
> Thank you,
> Flavio
> 
> -- 
> @flaper87
> Flavio Percoco
> 

Honestly, short of the the (already in progress) work to help new
contributors getting on board I do not know what the best way is.

But - that is down to me matching the "stereotypical" software engineer
image people have - I did not have to work as hard to become part of the
community as the people we are trying to encourage to join us will have
to, and have had to already to get to a point where they want to join
us.

So - how could we make our community more inclusive?

Ask, and listen to the problems people joining us in the past have had.
Then use that information to find a solution.
Iterate, find the next problem.
Try to solve it.
Repeat.
Profit?

OK ^ is a bit glib. But, this is not something we are going to solve in
a cycle, or even a year - it will be a long term project, and someone
like me, speaking from a position of privilege, about how to fix it is
*not* how we should try to improve our situation.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ceilometer] Time for API removal?

2017-10-13 Thread gordon chung
adding ops list

On 2017-10-13 11:01 AM, Julien Danjou wrote:
> Hey there,
> 
> We deprecated the Ceilometer API last year (Ocata) and our latest user
> survery shows than more than 50% of our users are now using Gnocchi or
> something else than the old deprecated storage methods.

thanks to all those that moved off legacy storage.

> 
> I'm starting to think it's time to stop carrying this dead code around.
> The biggest reason, other than cleaning our code base, is to stop having
> confusing options such as, e.g., "time-to-live" that make users being
> confused about where to configure the expiration of their metrics.
> 
> The question, is there any compelling reason to keep this deprecated
> stuffs for one more cycle?
> 
i'm ok with removing it. the amount of questions i've fielded related to 
Ceilometer API has dropped over the year we've officially deprecated 
it[1]. more importantly, we've had arguably no non-trivial patches to 
improve this legacy code for over 2 years so it's probably best to 
remove it so any new users don't read an old doc and attempt to install 
ceilometer storage.

i just checked docs and the install guide docs back to newton already 
tell people to use Gnocchi or something else.

tl;dr let's burn this down unless some hidden figure who's contributing 
speaks up.

[1] 
https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/commit/6616a714009a80c7484fa2292c2331868617cb9c#diff-074c02939ac2ca794f659d87981d2220

cheers,

-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [octavia] how to list/find the amphoras serving a load balancer

2017-10-13 Thread Michael Johnson
Hi Mihaela,

Welcome to the Octavia club!

In an Ocata release you are correct that there is no API way to
identify amphora related to a given load balancer.

In the queens release we have introduced a new administrator API for
amphora that provides the functionality you are looking for:
https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/load-balancer/v2/index.html#list-amphora

By using the filter capabilities of our Octavia v2 API you can query
the API for a list of amphora that are associated to a load balancer
ID.

Michael


On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:51 AM,   wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We are about to deploy Octavia (Ocata) in a multi-tenant Openstack
> environment. All amphoras (for all tenants) will be spawned in a “service”
> tenant. What is the easiest way to list the amphora instances of a certain
> load balancer? As far as I could see, there is no API call returning such
> result. The best way I can do it is by checking the security group
> associated to the amphora port: the security group name includes the load
> balancer ID.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mihaela
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Andrea Frittoli
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:38 PM Ed Leafe  wrote:

> In the past year or so, has there been anything that made you think “I
> wish the TC would do something about that!” ? If so, what was it, and what
> would you have wanted the TC to do about it?
>

I really appreciate the work that the TC has done with the vision and the
community goals.
The TC is applying the ideas of servant leadership, which are a very good
fit with OpenStack guiding principles [0].

I wish the TC would be more proactive in propagating the ideas of servant
leadership and vision into the project teams - and help the PTLs be servant
leaders for their project teams.

Faithfully,

Andrea Frittoli (andreaf)

[0]
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/principles.html#guiding-principles



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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Andrea Frittoli
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:43 PM Clay Gerrard  wrote:

> I like a representative democracy.  It mostly means I get a say in which
> other people I have to trust to think deeply about issues which effect me
> and make decisions which I agree (more or less) are of benefit to the
> social groups in which I participate.  When I vote IRL I like to consider
> voting records.  Actions speak louder blah blah.
>
> To candidates:
>
> Would you please self select a change (or changes) from
> https://github.com/openstack/governance/ in the past ~12 mo or so where
> they thought the outcome or the discussion/process was particular good and
> explain why you think so?
>

The TC proposes and votes governance patches; however its real power, or
better, responsibility, is to inspire, to provide guidance by building
trust first, to work in the community for the community.
I think the TC vision work [0] was a great example of all three. The draft
has been proposed by the TC. Is has been discussed with the community and
everyone had a chance to contribute to it.

I very much appreciated the work on the guiding principles [1] and on the
meetings [2] as well.
The vision was special in the way the community was even more involved than
in the others.

Faithfully,

Andrea Frittoli (andreaf)

[0]
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20170404-vision-2019.html
[1]
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/principles.html#guiding-principles

[2]
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20170718-allow-scheduling-meetings-on-team-channels.html


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> It'd be super helpful to me, thanks!
>
> -Clay
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Re: [openstack-dev] [cinder]How to handle the Jenkins running after patch cherry picked to driverfixes/newton branch

2017-10-13 Thread Xiao Qin SH Li
Hi Sean
Thanks a lot for your reply and suggestion. Sorry for the confusing text format. 
 
Xiaoqin
E-mail: lix...@cn.ibm.com
 
 
- Original message -From: Sean McGinnis To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" Cc:Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [cinder]How to handle the Jenkins running after patch cherry picked to driverfixes/newton branchDate: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 10:03 PM 
Wow, Notes still doesn't know how to send text. :)I think I parsed out of that that you are having a problem with the unit testjob failing on the driverfixes branch.Unfortunately this is a known issue right now. We found deployers want to beable to run unit tests before incorporating fixes pulled from unit tests. Tosupport this we are trying to enable the py27 job to run on these branches,but running into issues with the set up to be able to run them correctly.It is currently being worked on and we should hopefully have this cleared upsoon. We will either get it working or remove the job again. So for now you'lljust have to wait a bit. We will go through and recheck all the patches oncethings are straightened out.Sorry about the confusion.SeanOn Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:13:58AM +, Xiao Qin SH Li wrote:Hi all,
I have a question about the Jenkins running after the patch is cherry picked to driverfixes/newton branch. The driver related patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308882 was merged into Ocata release and it was already contained in driverfixes/ocata, stable/ocata etc. Now I do a cherry pick to driverfixes/newton as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510407 . I saw the Jenkins was fail after the cherry picking. The fail one was gate-cinder-python27-ubuntu-xenial and the reason is
2017-10-10 05:36:45.129027 | INFO:zuul.Cloner:upstream repo is missing branch driverfixes/newton
2017-10-10 05:36:45.388912 | INFO:zuul.Cloner:Falling back to branch master
I saw all the commits which were cherry picked to driverfixes/newton successfully only run pep8 related Jenkins jobs, not running gate-cinder-python27-ubuntu-xenial. For example, those are successfully merged into driverfixes/newton in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:driverfixes/newton+project:openstack/cinder  So my question is how to make the commit in driverfixes/newton branch only run pep8 related jobs or handle such issue?
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Paul Belanger
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 02:45:28PM +0200, Flavio Percoco wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and 
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this 
> is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how 
> you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you improve
> first?
> 
> Thank you,
> Flavio
> 
I admit, I didn't include this topic in my email. And I'll be the first to say
inclusiveness is an import and healthy issue to have for any project / society.

Listening, and learning, what makes people comfortable to engage and contribute
would be on my list. This applied both to any project and persons.  I'd learn
how other projects are responding to the topic and possible engage with those
leaders to share successes.

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[openstack-dev] [ceilometer] Time for API removal?

2017-10-13 Thread Julien Danjou
Hey there,

We deprecated the Ceilometer API last year (Ocata) and our latest user
survery shows than more than 50% of our users are now using Gnocchi or
something else than the old deprecated storage methods.

I'm starting to think it's time to stop carrying this dead code around.
The biggest reason, other than cleaning our code base, is to stop having
confusing options such as, e.g., "time-to-live" that make users being
confused about where to configure the expiration of their metrics.

The question, is there any compelling reason to keep this deprecated
stuffs for one more cycle?

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Julia Kreger
Greetings Flavio,

My perception is that if we need to encourage the spreading of task, roles,
responsibility amongst many. In other words, encourage building trust.
Building trust should hopefully foster a personal sense of investment
and responsibility, hopefully resulting in further diversity as time goes by
improving contributor retention.

That being said, I think step zero would be an assessment of what data is
available and the identification of what is missing from the puzzle.

-Julia

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Flavio Percoco  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this
> is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how
> you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you
> improve
> first?

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
Hi Flavio,

I would like to refer to another thread about areas the TC should be more 
active in raised by Ed Leafe where trust and mentorship were brought up by a 
few of us.

I think one of the key factors of being open and inclusive is to help and 
mentor new contributors/community members regardless where and who they are.

To mention examples, we have several places around the globe with time zones we 
didn’t necessarily keep in mind in the past or areas where language barriers 
are higher. I think we need to spend time on understanding what the barriers 
might be that keep people back from actively participating in the community 
while we are thinking about actions.

Seeing the activity on the #openstack-tc channel I think that’s a great example 
of how to involve and engage more people in the different discussions by 
removing the dedicated meeting slot and switch to office hours and providing a 
forum where TC members are available to everyone.

We have a new proposal to create a SIG called (something like) 'First Contact 
SIG’. I hope discussions on diversity and inclusiveness will come up there with 
the people who are passionate about on-boarding. As joining an open environment 
can be challenging and intimidating having people who are eager to help visible 
and accessible is crucial.

To the margin, I think on the technology side we are progressing well, so I 
would not reflect on that in this thread.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Ildikó


> On 2017. Oct 13., at 14:45, Flavio Percoco  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and 
> inclusiveness
> (or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this 
> is a
> broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how 
> you
> think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you improve
> first?
> 
> Thank you,
> Flavio
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Julia Kreger
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Clay Gerrard  wrote:
[trim]
> To candidates:
>
> Would you please self select a change (or changes) from
> https://github.com/openstack/governance/ in the past ~12 mo or so where they
> thought the outcome or the discussion/process was particular good and
> explain why you think so?

The one thing that really sticks out to me is the vision statement [1]
by the TC.
Not just because such things are scary, but that the process to reach
a vision really
forces the entire group to reach a mutual understanding. I think that
the exercise of
writing the vision was worthwhile, largely because one can't see where
one is going,
without understanding where one is presently.

[1]: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453262

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Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] IBM z/VM CI asks for reporting permission to Nova changes

2017-10-13 Thread Matt Riedemann

On 10/11/2017 11:42 PM, Xiao Mei GZ Zheng wrote:

Hello,

I'm requesting reporting permission (non-voting) to Nova changes for the 
IBM z/VM CI. The wiki is on link [1].


We designed the CI using nodepool , zuul and Jenkins. The newly uploaded 
patches will receive an initial +/-1 reports from Jenkins only for the 
nova project (just comments on patches but not vote on them). Tests 
completed on the z/VM Driver CI system check-nova pipeline. For more 
information see[2]. To recheck it, you just submit a comment with only 
zvm:recheck in the comment.


The IBM z/VM CI system has been running for a long time in a stable 
fashion. We present all test artifacts on a public link [3] to make 
debugging failed tests easier. You can see environment details, 
openstack logs and tempest logs.


* Gerrit Account: zvmosci

* Gerrit query on patches where the CI commented: [4]

* Proposal for naming: IBM z/VM CI

For any questions feel free to reach out to me (Laurene) or to Leon!

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/IBM_z/VM_CI

[2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ZVMDriver/zVM-CI


[3] http://extbasicopstackcilog01.podc.sl.edst.ibm.com/ci_status/


[4] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410596/

Thanks & Best Regards!

Laurene(Xiao Mei) Zheng

Software developer, CSTL
IBM China Systems & Technology Lab (CSTL)



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This is OK for me. The latest CI run I see is here:

http://extbasicopstackcilog01.podc.sl.edst.ibm.com/test_logs/jenkins-check-nova-master-7096/

It looks like the CI used to take about 3.5 hours from [4] but now it's 
taking a little over an hour, so that's good.


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Thanks,

Matt

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
By being involved in training activities and on-boarding new contributors to 
our community I would like to join to Emilien on his point.

I think we have a great, open and welcoming community already, but we still 
have many areas to improve. Teaching the new community members the processes 
and tools is essential and also the easier part.

The difficulty starts when they start to actively contribute to a project and 
they need to understand the mission, scope, architecture and dynamics of it to 
become a team member longer term and take on responsibilities. With smaller 
projects it is usually easier, while the more complex projects can be 
challenging both for the new team members and the core team.

With smaller groups we get back to a discussion periodically about encouraging 
the teams to do more mentoring and also about mentoring the mentors as we have 
a few experienced people and teams with good examples already. In my view the 
TC can help with putting emphasis on encouraging this mentality and direction 
besides looking into metrics.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Ildikó
(IRC: ildikov)


> On 2017. Oct 12., at 23:22, Emilien Macchi  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Ed Leafe  wrote:
>> In the past year or so, has there been anything that made you think “I wish 
>> the TC would do something about that!” ? If so, what was it, and what would 
>> you have wanted the TC to do about it?
> 
> I've been part of the TC during the past year (first time) but I still
> have an answer to that question.
> There is one thing I wish the TC would do more is to encourage
> projects to grow and empower trust in certain projects.
> Beside technical things, we want an healthy community and grow
> developer's knowledge so OpenStack can be a better place to
> contribute. I think some projects are doing well but some of them
> might need some mentoring on that front (maybe from some TC members).
> For example, I'm thinking about the way some projects handle core
> reviewers elections and their metrics used to do so. I think the TC
> might ensure that healthy metrics and discussion happen, so projects
> can scale.
> 
> I'm happy to answer questions on that topic.
> 
> Thanks Ed for this first question :-)
> -- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Julia Kreger
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Ed Leafe  wrote:
> In the past year or so, has there been anything that made you think “I wish 
> the TC would do something about that!” ? If so, what was it, and what would 
> you have wanted the TC to do about it?

There have been some great replies thus far, possibly the best so far
is Emilien's reply.

That being said, I have felt like many of our problems are
fundamentally a lack of trust.
I don't think it is a misplaced lack of trust, but more sub-optimal
behaviors that have
impacted the way we work in order to maintain control. In reality none
of us are really
"in control." All we can do is try to row in the same general
direction in order to reach
a mutually agreeable outcome.

I would like to see the TC encourage reflection upon the path taken by
each project
for mutual understandings of mission and direction to be reached
inside of each project.
Hopefully through that, we can build trust, and possibly undo some of
the negative impact
that highly focused agendas have had on our community.

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[openstack-dev] [glance] priorities for the week (10/13-10/19)

2017-10-13 Thread Brian Rosmaita
Hello Glancers,

The Q-1 milestone is just around the corner.  As discussed at the
weekly Glance meeting, the review priorities for this week are:

1  patches associated with Q-1 milestone targeted bugs
https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/queens-1

2  patches associated with Q-1 targeted specs
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509154/
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510449/

This is what we need to concentrate on this week, so if you have a
patch that doesn't fall into this category, please be patient.  (You
could always review some of the above while you wait.)

cheers,
brian

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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread ChangBo Guo
One thing I wish the TC could do more in the past years is that make users
and developers in the same page:
share requirements, pain points and  development progress, glad we have
some ways to shorten the feedback loop like
building SIG(Special Interest Group) to involve more users.

2017-10-13 2:38 GMT+08:00 Ed Leafe :

> In the past year or so, has there been anything that made you think “I
> wish the TC would do something about that!” ? If so, what was it, and what
> would you have wanted the TC to do about it?
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
>
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][infra] Zuul v3 rollout, the sequel

2017-10-13 Thread Boden Russell
On 10/10/17 3:40 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> The common jobs have been fixed whenever bugs got reported. So, if you
> have current failures, tell us. 

How can projects validate zuul v3 jobs in our current state to prepare
for the transition?
Some projects don't even have a verified zuul v3 patch [1] and thus
really have no way to test and work through v3 issues (IIUC).

Is there a way we can leave v3 non-gating and let projects request
moving to gating v3 jobs on a per-project basis (e.g. project X is ready
for v3, make v3 gating for X now)? This would allow them the time they
need to transition with minimal impact to their pipeline.


[1]
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/vmware-nsx+label:Verified%252Czuul

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread ChangBo Guo
Zane,

Thanks for raising the discussion. We recently discuss a lot about what's
OpenStack, what OpenStack Foundation should be.  I would like to list some
discussion I involved before [1].   OpenSack affects following people and
organizations. we should consider when we make decisions.

*Q1: Who benefits from OpenStack? Who are the customers, users, etc?*

1st tier (direct users) : Developers, Sys Admins, DevOps, Application
owners that want IaaS/PaaS resources

2nd tier (providers) catering to 1st directly :
   2a (internal) : Enterprises and IT departments
   2b (external) : IaaS/PaaS Providers, SaaS Providers, Enterprises,
Operators and CSPs

3rd tier catering to 2nd tier :
  3a : Distribution Vendors and OpenStack Integrators
  3b : Hardware vendors


[1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-12questions-exercise-board

2017-10-13 0:51 GMT+08:00 Zane Bitter :

> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have
> the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends on
> Saturday, so make with the questions.)
>
>
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for.
> When I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it will affect
> these hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I mean end-users, the
> actual consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it enable them to do? What
> will they have to work around? I think we probably all do this, at least
> subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing it consciously.)
>
> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or anyone
> else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical OpenStack user
> that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are _you_ building
> OpenStack for?
>
> There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-Octo
> ber/123312.html
>
> To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person who
> needs somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in my opinion
> is that we have a bunch of people with *different* answers on the TC,
> because I think that will lead to better discussion and hopefully better
> decisions.
>
> Discuss.
>
> cheers,
> Zane.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [gnocchi] Redis for storage backend

2017-10-13 Thread gordon chung


On 2017-10-13 03:37 AM, Julien Danjou wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 13 2017, Yaguang Tang wrote:
> 
>> I see the latest Gnocchi support using Redis as a storage backend, I am
>> testing performance of Redis and Ceph, it seems using Redis as storage
>> backend we can achieve  more realtime metric
>> data, gnocchi status shows there is always few metric to process.
>>
>> Is Redis a recommend storage backend ?
> 
> Redis is recommended as an incoming measures backend, not really as a
> storage – though it really depends on the size of your installation.
> 
> Up until 4.0 version, Gnocchi process metrics every
> $metricd.metric_processing_delay seconds. With version 4.1 (to be
> released), the Redis incoming driver has a more realtime processing
> delay which avoids having to poll for incoming data.
> 

what Julien said :)

redis as a storage driver really depends on how you setup persistence[1] 
and how much you trust it[2].

would love to see your redis vs ceph numbers compared to mine[3] :)

[1] https://redis.io/topics/persistence
[2] https://aphyr.com/posts/283-jepsen-redis
[3] https://medium.com/@gord.chung/gnocchi-4-introspective-a83055e99776 
(tested part of 4.1 optimisations)

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[openstack-dev] [nova] [placement] resource providers update 38

2017-10-13 Thread Chris Dent


This is update 38. It is confused because last week's update said in
the subject that is was 36 but in the body that it was 37. It was 37.

# Most Important

Most important is simply making progress on the stuff that's
outstanding. There's enough in progress, with its related
dependencies, we pretty much just need to keep pushing things forward.

# What's Changed

During the scheduler team meeting it was decied that the root provider
should be represented when showing a nested resource provider resource.
Previously it was just going to be the parent (which could be used to
traverse to the root)

There are still a few specs pending that are interdependent with the
main themes so would be good to get reviewed:

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306/
  Network bandwidth resource provider

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507052/
  Support traits in the Ironic driver

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508164/
  Add spec for symmetric GET and PUT of allocations
  (The POST /allocations spec depends on this one)

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509136/
  Fix issues for post-allocations spec

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504540/
  Spec for limiting GET /allocation_candidates

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510244/
  Granular Resource Request Syntax

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497733/
  Report CPU features to placement service by traits API

# Main Themes

## Nested Resource Providers

While working on nested resource providers it became clear there was
a lot of mixed up cruft in the resource provider objects, so before
the nested work there is now

https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/de-orm-resource-providers

which is a stack of cleanups to how the SQL is managed in there. The
nested resource providers work is at:

https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/nested-resource-providers

This spec is important for making effective use of nested providers:

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510244/
  Granular Resource Request Syntax

And the work to make traits work is relevant here, because with traits
nested aren't near as useful:

https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bp/add-trait-support-in-allocation-candidates

## Migration allocations

The migration allocations work is happening at:

  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/migration-allocations

Management of those allocations currently involves some raciness,
birthing the idea to allow POST /allocations, some of the
code for that is in progress at

https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/post-allocations

There are two outstanding bits of spec required for that:

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508164/
  Add spec for symmetric GET and PUT of allocations

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509136/
  Fix issues for post-allocations spec

## Alternate Hosts

We want to be able to do retries within cells, so we need some
alternate hosts when returning a destination that are structured
nicely for RPC:

https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/return-alternate-hosts

Matt has recently pointed out that this stuff may cause some hiccups
with the CachingScheduler that we'll need to resolve in some fashion,
either by making it work, documentating that it doesn't work, or...?

# Other Stuff

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508149/
   A spec in neutron for QoS minimum bandwidth allocation in Placement
   API

* https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1702420
  Fixes for shared providers map being incorrect

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499826/
  Include /resource_providers/uuid/allocations link
  (Matt has declared this needs a microversion)

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492247/
  Use ksa adapter for placement conf & requests

* https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-osc-plugin
  Placement plugin for osc

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492571/
  Make compute log less verbose with allocs autocorrection

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499539/
  Stack of functional test fixups

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495380/
  [placement] manage cache headers for /resource_providers

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511488/
  [placement] Confirm that empty resources query causes 400

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511485/
  [placement] add coverage for update of standard resource class

There's almost certainly more. Please add to the list if I've left off
something important.

# End

Your prize this week is a personal invitation to the TC elections.

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[openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for candidates: How do you think we can make our community more inclusive?

2017-10-13 Thread Flavio Percoco

Greetings,

Some of you, TC candidates, expressed concerns about diversity and inclusiveness
(or inclusivity, depending on your taste) in your candidacy. I believe this is a
broad, and some times ill-used, topic so, I'd like to know, from y'all, how you
think we could make our community more inclusive. What areas would you improve
first?

Thank you,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Graham Hayes


On 12/10/17 17:51, Zane Bitter wrote:
> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have
> the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends
> on Saturday, so make with the questions.)
> 
> 
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for.
> When I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it will affect
> these hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I mean end-users,
> the actual consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it enable them to do?
> What will they have to work around? I think we probably all do this, at
> least subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing it consciously.)
> 
> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or anyone
> else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical OpenStack
> user that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are _you_ building
> OpenStack for?
> 
> There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123312.html
> 
> To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person who
> needs somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in my
> opinion is that we have a bunch of people with *different* answers on
> the TC, because I think that will lead to better discussion and
> hopefully better decisions.
> 
> Discuss.
> 
> cheers,
> Zane.
> 

Personally I do not think there is a single "user" persona we can use.

We have users that vary from "I used to use ESXi to get a server, now I
go to https://cloud.example.com/horizon and click "Create" to "I am
deploying a Kubernetes cluster, and I need a base IaaS for network,
compute and storage."

Because of how I have spent most of my time in OpenStack, I think I tend
to be biased towards "integrators" - people writing software that needs
to be generic, to work on a lot of different OpenStack clouds (e.g.
Kubernetes OpenStack Cloud Provider, installers for products that run in
different versions of OpenStack (in cloud) or tools like Terraform /
Ansible that interact with the APIs).

There is no one size / shape fits all OpenStack topology, and that
flexibility is why I can have OpenStack run reliably on a couple of
workstations, and others can scale it to hundreds of thousands of cores.
This unfortunately makes life difficult for people who try to be
generic, or write tools that manage "OpenStack" as a thing, instead of a
style / distro / implementation of OpenStack.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Graham Hayes
There is one topic I have been pretty vocal about wanting the TC to deal
with - encouraging cross project teams (Docs / QA etc) to start
migrating to providing tooling, rather than direct services to projects.

I am aware I am (re)opening a can of worms, but I think as a community
we have started to move in this direction already (see: Docs, Zuul v3).


On 12/10/17 19:38, Ed Leafe wrote:
> In the past year or so, has there been anything that made you think “I wish 
> the TC would do something about that!” ? If so, what was it, and what would 
> you have wanted the TC to do about it?
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread ChangBo Guo
Several changes seems very well in the past months,  for me  the "top 5
help wanted list" [1] is really helpful.

It's introduced in [2] and with some follow ups.  This document lists areas
where the OpenStack Technical Committee seeks contributions to
significantly help OpenStack as a whole. In last several cycles some key
contributors changed their work,
not focus on OpenStack, in the other side, some new contributors couldn't
find 'the right way' to contribute, posting trivial repeated patches, The
document provides a guidance on how to make useful, strategic contributions
to OpenStack. It's important for new contributors,even key contributors.

[1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/top-5-help-wanted.html
[2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466684/

2017-10-13 3:42 GMT+08:00 Clay Gerrard :

> I like a representative democracy.  It mostly means I get a say in which
> other people I have to trust to think deeply about issues which effect me
> and make decisions which I agree (more or less) are of benefit to the
> social groups in which I participate.  When I vote IRL I like to consider
> voting records.  Actions speak louder blah blah.
>
> To candidates:
>
> Would you please self select a change (or changes) from
> https://github.com/openstack/governance/ in the past ~12 mo or so where
> they thought the outcome or the discussion/process was particular good and
> explain why you think so?
>
> It'd be super helpful to me, thanks!
>
> -Clay
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Graham Hayes
For me "Write down OpenStack principles" [1] signaled the start of an
more open TC. It was writing down principles that I had been told about
verbally when I started working on OpenStack, and had been part of a
"shared understanding" for some people who had been in the community for
a while.

This change solidified them, and put them somewhere we could reference
and highlight new community members.

The follow up patchsets of [2],[3],[4],[5] started to let the community
principles evolve based on things like the Leadership training.

[6] made me happy, as it had been such a long time in the making, and it
represented a community decision, not a TC top down one.

Great question!

- Graham


1 -
https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/f019d697c6b26a00f4693331b00db9124d91f92e

2 -
https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/c55816bde73d5085aba70d370577074fbae3016a

3 -
https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/21041fe8c638e5af4387a5f40184f5f73717e506

4 -
https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/ec481cb3e1ff88e2d36f72fd9b282e4cc0f015c7

5 -
https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/ebcfcb6609629967b9e515b9615d8998efd6cbd4


6 -
https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/9ad8f55ce8c8556fd702059fc8ad90d3b8b0de3f

On 12/10/17 20:42, Clay Gerrard wrote:
> I like a representative democracy.  It mostly means I get a say in which
> other people I have to trust to think deeply about issues which effect
> me and make decisions which I agree (more or less) are of benefit to the
> social groups in which I participate.  When I vote IRL I like to
> consider voting records.  Actions speak louder blah blah.
> 
> To candidates:
> 
> Would you please self select a change (or changes) from
> https://github.com/openstack/governance/ in the past ~12 mo or so where
> they thought the outcome or the discussion/process was particular good
> and explain why you think so?
> 
> It'd be super helpful to me, thanks!
> 
> -Clay
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry][ceilometer][opendaylight] OpenDaylight Driver for Ceilometer

2017-10-13 Thread Deepthi V V
Hi Andrez,

I had introduced a new driver for ODL in Pike release[1]
The driver code is available in networking-odl project: 
networking_odl/ceilometer/network/statistics/opendaylight_v2
The corresponding ODL code is under development.

[1] Spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475241/

Thanks,
Deepthi

From: andres sanchez ramos [mailto:andressanchezra...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 4:52 PM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: [openstack-dev] [telemetry][ceilometer][opendaylight] OpenDaylight 
Driver for Ceilometer


Hello,



I have been looking into the Opendaylight driver for Ceilometer and according 
to what i have been able to read and test, this driver was made for ODL version 
Hydrogen. I conclude this by looking into the way the request is made to the 
controller (port and URL).



I am considering working on updating this driver to work with most recent ODL 
versions as part of my thesis, so I would like to know if someone is actually 
working on this! and also maybe getting in touch with the fellows who developed 
this original driver to get some pointers regarding to where to focus the 
changes in order to save some time.



Thank you in advance for your help.



Best regards,



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[openstack-dev] [telemetry][ceilometer][opendaylight] OpenDaylight Driver for Ceilometer

2017-10-13 Thread andres sanchez ramos
Hello,


I have been looking into the Opendaylight driver for Ceilometer and according 
to what i have been able to read and test, this driver was made for ODL version 
Hydrogen. I conclude this by looking into the way the request is made to the 
controller (port and URL).


I am considering working on updating this driver to work with most recent ODL 
versions as part of my thesis, so I would like to know if someone is actually 
working on this! and also maybe getting in touch with the fellows who developed 
this original driver to get some pointers regarding to where to focus the 
changes in order to save some time.


Thank you in advance for your help.


Best regards,


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[openstack-dev] [tc] Technical Committee Status update, October 13th

2017-10-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hi!

This is the weekly summary of Technical Committee initiatives. You can
find the full list of all open topics (updated twice a week) at:

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Technical_Committee_Tracker

If you are working on something (or plan to work on something) that is
not on the tracker, feel free to add to it !


== TC Election in progress ==

We are renewing 6 of the 13 TC seats. The nominations period is now
ended, you can find the full list of candidates at:

https://governance.openstack.org/election/

The vote will start early Sunday and be open until EOD Friday. You're
encouraged to send your questions to the candidates before voting opens,
so that you can learn more about the candidates and their vision for
OpenStack. After that, don't forget to vote next week!


== Recently-approved changes ==

* New project team: Masakari (Instances High Availability Service) [1]
* Add Designate to the top 5 help wanted. [2]
* Adjustments to Infra contributors top-5 entry [3]
* Add the supports-accessible-upgrade tag to Nova and Cinder [4]
* Remove assert:supports-zero-impact-upgrade tag [5]
* Align CTI to PTI [6]
* Goal updates: zun
* New repos: ansible-hardening, python-tempestconf,
manila-tempest-plugin, magnum-tempest-plugin

[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/
[2] https://review.openstack.org/504217
[3] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507637/
[4] https://review.openstack.org/509170
[5] https://review.openstack.org/506241
[6] https://review.openstack.org/508692

Beyond the adoption of a new project team (Masakari), the most visible
changes in this busy week or on the Top-5 "help wanted" list (addition
of Designate, reordering and adding details to the "Infra sysadmins"
entry). You can find list here:

https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/top-5-help-wanted.html
(refresh pending post-job in progress)


== Final call on votes ==

We need to make a final call on the Glare project team application for
the Queens cycle. If by the end of day (AOE) on Monday there is no
majority support for it, the application will be denied. So please jump
on that review if you haven't yet:

https://review.openstack.org/479285


== Under review ==

Doug proposed a last item for our top-5 "help wanted" list: "champions
and stewards". Please review it at:

https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510656/

A new "OpenStck-Helm" packaging project team (producing Helm charts),
filed for official recognition as an OpenStack team. Please review their
application at:

https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511320/

Monty posted a series of modifications to the PTI (project testing
interface). Please review at:

* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508693/
* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508694/
* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509868/


== TC member actions for the coming week(s) ==

Monty should answer the feedback on the supported database version
resolution (https://review.openstack.org/493932) so that we can make
progress there.

John should review Lance's response to his objection on:
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500985/


== Office hours ==

To be more inclusive of all timezones and more mindful of people for
which English is not the primary language, the Technical Committee
dropped its dependency on weekly meetings. So that you can still get
hold of TC members on IRC, we instituted a series of office hours on
#openstack-tc:

* 09:00 UTC on Tuesdays
* 01:00 UTC on Wednesdays
* 15:00 UTC on Thursdays

For the coming week, I expect the main topic of discussion to be the
ongoing elections, as well as iterations on the exact wording for the
"champions and stewards" top-5 item.

Cheers,

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] How is the interface for tftpboot server typically configured on OVS ?

2017-10-13 Thread Sam Betts (sambetts)
There are multiple options for doing this, but I suggest avoiding manually 
plumbing anything into OVS as it can lead to some nastiness in the future.

My personal recommended way to do this is to create the provisioning network in 
neutron with a known VLAN and trunk it separately down to the ironic services.

To do this first exclude the chosen VLAN from the range of tenant provisionable 
VLANs, and then create the provisioning network in neutron with the 
--physical-network  and --segmentation-id  flags.

Next you need to create the subnet for that network, and we know that we need 
to run the ironic services (like TFTP on this network) so when you create the 
subnet you need to exclude some IP addresses from the allocation pool (these IP 
address will be statically assigned by us outside of neutron’s control) for 
example subnet CIDR 10.0.0.0/24, allocation-pool: 10.0.0.1, 10.0.0.250 will 
give us 4 IPs for ironic services.

Then on my Ironic services server I trunk the provisioning VLAN down on an 
interface that isn’t assigned to a bridge/given to neutron (normally I use the 
same network interface which is used for inter-service communication e.g. eth0 
when eth1 is assigned to neutron) and then create a VLAN sub-interface on that 
NIC e.g. eth0. and assign it one of the IP addresses I 
reserved from the allocation pool earlier.

The Ironic TFTP server, the Ironic API, and conductor for provisioning then 
operate over this IP address/network interface.

Then when I need to scale up our Ironic services, I can replicate the same 
trunk and sub-interface on each conductor server assigning a different one of 
the reserved IPs to each, letting our ironic services happily scale up 
horizontally as intended.

Sam

On 12/10/2017, 23:42, "Waines, Greg" 
> wrote:

Hey,

We are in the process of integrating OpenStack Ironic into our own OpenStack 
Distribution.

One of the areas that we cannot find a good description of is:
How is the interface for the tftpboot server typically configured on OVS ?

i.e.

· i know tftpboot server runs on the same node as ironic-conductor,

· i know tftpboot server needs to have an interface on the 
‘provisioning’ tenant network, and

· i know the tftpboot server IP address and the ‘provisioning’ network 
are configured in ironic.conf

· BUT

o   how is the interface on the ‘provisioning’ tenant network configured for 
tftpboot server ?

§  i.e. how is it configured on OVS ?

· assuming it would be an OVS virtual port that would be connected to
the ‘provisioning’ tenant network

§  i.e. how is this done upstream ?
e.g.

· is a TAP(?) interface configured ?
and

· is a Neutron Port configured on the ‘provisioning’ tenant network,
with a reserved IP Address from ‘provisioining’ tenant network’s subnet and
 a MAC address from TAP interface ?
and

· the L2-Agent manages the binding of the TAP Interface to the
‘provisioning’ tenant network within OVS ?

Can anybody point me to or provide a detailed description of how this is done 
upstream ?

thanks in advance,
Greg.
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[openstack-dev] [masakari] Propose changes of the core team

2017-10-13 Thread Sam P
Hi All Masakari Cores,

 I would like to propose following changes to Masakari core team.

Current core team:
Masahito Muroi
Rikimaru Honjo
Sampath Priyankara (samP)
Takashi Kajinami
Toshikazu Ichikawa
Tushar Patil
Yukinori Sagara

(A) Proposed to remove from Core team:
(1) Toshikazu Ichikawa
 He was one of the initial members of the project and did a great work
on design the initial Masakari API and Masakari architecture.
However, he is no longer a active member of the community.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Toshikazu for his work
on Masakari.

(B) Confirm your availability as Core member:
 Following members, please confirm your ability to contribute to
Masakari in Queens and future cycles.
(1) Takashi Kajinami
(2) Masahito Muroi
I understand that you are extremely busy with other tasks or other projects
in OpenStack. If it is difficult for you to contribute to Masakari,
I suggest that you step down from core team for now. In future, if you are
wish to participate again, then we can discuss about reinstate you as a core
member of the team.

(C) Add to new members to core team:
(1) Adam Spiers (Suse)
  I would like to add  Adam to core team. He is the current maintainer
of the openstack-resource-agents and leader of the OpenStack HA team.
Considering his technical knowledge of the subject, and past work he
has done in Masakari and related work[1][2],
I think Adam is one of the best persons we can have in our team.

(2) Kengo Takahara (NTT-TX)
 Kengo has been an active contributor to the Masakari project from Newton
 and heavily contribute to crate masakari-monitors and python-masakariclient
 from scratch [3].

All Masakari core members, please respond with your comments and objections.
Please cast your vote on (A) and (C).

[1] 
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-resource-agents-specs
[2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha
[3] 
http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all=all=commits_id=takahara.kengo@as.ntts.co.jp

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaasv2][agent implementation] L7 policy support

2017-10-13 Thread mihaela.balas
Hi German,

I just tested with Newton version and I get the same error as with Mitaka “Not 
Implemented Error” (see below).

Mihaela

From: German Eichberger [mailto:german.eichber...@rackspace.com]
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To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaasv2][agent implementation] L7 policy 
support

Mihaela,

The first version with L7 was Newton and beginning then the LBaaS V2 namespace 
driver would support it as well as Octavia.

German

From: "mihaela.ba...@orange.com" 
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Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:13 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
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Subject: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaasv2][agent implementation] L7 policy 
support

Hello,

Does the agent implementation of LBaaSv2 support L7 policies? I am testing with 
Mitaka version and I get “Not Implemented Error”.

{"asctime": "2017-10-03 07:34:42.764","process": "18","levelname": 
"INFO","name": "neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin", "request_id": 
"req-186bf812-1cdf-496b-a117-711f1e42c6bd", "user_identity": {"user_id": 
"44364a07de754daa9ffeb2911fe3620a", "project_id": 
"a5f15235c0714365b98a50a11ec956e7", "domain_id": "-", "user_domain_id": "-", 
"project_domain_id": "-"},"instance": {},"message":"Calling driver operation 
NotImplementedManager.create"}
{"asctime": "2017-10-03 07:34:42.765","process": "18","levelname": 
"ERROR","name": "neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin", "request_id": 
"req-186bf812-1cdf-496b-a117-711f1e42c6bd", "user_identity": {"user_id": 
"44364a07de754daa9ffeb2911fe3620a", "project_id": 
"a5f15235c0714365b98a50a11ec956e7", "domain_id": "-", "user_domain_id": "-", 
"project_domain_id": "-"},"instance": {},"message":"There was an error in the 
driver"}
2017-10-03 07:34:42.765 18 TRACE neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin  
>Traceback (most recent call last):
2017-10-03 07:34:42.765 18 TRACE neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin  
>  File 
"/opt/neutron/lib/python2.7/site-packages/neutron_lbaas/services/loadbalancer/plugin.py",
 line 486, in _call_driver_operation
2017-10-03 07:34:42.765 18 TRACE neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin  
>driver_method(context, db_entity)
2017-10-03 07:34:42.765 18 TRACE neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin  
>  File 
"/opt/neutron/lib/python2.7/site-packages/neutron_lbaas/drivers/driver_base.py",
 line 36, in create
2017-10-03 07:34:42.765 18 TRACE neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin  
>raise NotImplementedError()
2017-10-03 07:34:42.765 18 TRACE neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin  
>NotImplementedError
2017-10-03 07:34:42.765 18 TRACE neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.plugin  
>
{"asctime": "2017-10-03 07:34:42.800","process": "18","levelname": 
"ERROR","name": "neutron.api.v2.resource", "request_id": 
"req-186bf812-1cdf-496b-a117-711f1e42c6bd", "user_identity": {"user_id": 
"44364a07de754daa9ffeb2911fe3620a", "project_id": 
"a5f15235c0714365b98a50a11ec956e7", "domain_id": "-", "user_domain_id": "-", 
"project_domain_id": "-"},"instance": {},"message":"create failed"}
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >Traceback (most 
recent call last):
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >  File 
"/opt/neutron/lib/python2.7/site-packages/neutron/api/v2/resource.py", line 84, 
in resource
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >result = 
method(request=request, **args)
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >  File 
"/opt/neutron/lib/python2.7/site-packages/neutron/api/v2/base.py", line 410, in 
create
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >return 
self._create(request, body, **kwargs)
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >  File 
"/opt/neutron/lib/python2.7/site-packages/oslo_db/api.py", line 148, in wrapper
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >ectxt.value 
= e.inner_exc
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >  File 
"/opt/neutron/lib/python2.7/site-packages/oslo_utils/excutils.py", line 220, in 
__exit__
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >
self.force_reraise()
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >  File 
"/opt/neutron/lib/python2.7/site-packages/oslo_utils/excutils.py", line 196, in 
force_reraise
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >
six.reraise(self.type_, self.value, self.tb)
2017-10-03 07:34:42.800 18 TRACE neutron.api.v2.resource  >  File 

Re: [openstack-dev] Regarding Multi-Factor Authentication

2017-10-13 Thread Luke Hinds
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Puneet Jain 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The OpenStack login screen has just login name and password for
> validation. Now, if someone writes a script to perform DoS attacks by
> sending a lot of fake login requests, the server will easily become
> unavailable.
>

If you have found an exploit please raise it in launchpad and mark as
security bug for the VMT to look at.


> I know there is a section in the security page which talks about
> multi-factor authentication. However, each organization has to implement
> this at their own (Correct me if I am wrong here).
>
> Questions
>
> Is there any property based solution to provide multifactor
> authentication? Like, the multi-factor implementation would be a part of
> OpenStack installation but would be unavailable by default and if an
> organization enables that property, they will have the multifactor
> authentication enabled.
>
> I apologize if my question is very basic. I am quite new to OpenStack.
>
>
>
So keystone is an *identity service*, it's not positioned as being an
*identity provider* (although it can act as a basic provider by using an
instance of mariadb, but this is not the norm for production deployments).
Instead a typical deployment will have third party systems act as identity
provider, and this could be in any form such as LDAP, Active Directory
and SAML / OpenID via Federation. The operator would then implement MFA in
their chosen identity provider.

I recommend a read of this:

https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/advanced-
topics/federation/federated_identity.html

For this reason, its unlikely that Keystone will provide MFA out of the box.



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> Regards,
> Puneet Jain
>
> 
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[openstack-dev] [all][masakari] Masakari accepted into official projects

2017-10-13 Thread Sam P
Hi All,

 I am happy to announce that Masakari [1] (Instances High Availability Service)
 has become official OpenStack from last week[2].

  I would like to take this opportunity to thank, all Masakari
contributors for your
hard work over the past years, and all OpenStack community members for your
valuable comments, opportunities, and all the help you gave us.  Special thanks
goes to all the people who review and improve the application [2], and
spent your
valuable time to discuss with us on Queens PTG, IRC, ML. And, I
greatly appreciate
all the support from OpenStack HA community from the beginning of this
project.
This would not have been possible without your help.
Once again a very BIG thank you all!

Currently, we have weekly IRC meeting[3], and feel free to reach out us
on IRC #openstack-masakari on freenode, or opensack-dev ML with [masakari].
You all are welcome!!!

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Masakari
[2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/
[3] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Masakari

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[openstack-dev] [octavia] how to list/find the amphoras serving a load balancer

2017-10-13 Thread mihaela.balas
Hi,

We are about to deploy Octavia (Ocata) in a multi-tenant Openstack environment. 
All amphoras (for all tenants) will be spawned in a "service" tenant. What is 
the easiest way to list the amphora instances of a certain load balancer? As 
far as I could see, there is no API call returning such result. The best way I 
can do it is by checking the security group associated to the amphora port: the 
security group name includes the load balancer ID.

Thank you,
Mihaela

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Re: [openstack-dev] [gnocchi] Redis for storage backend

2017-10-13 Thread Julien Danjou
On Fri, Oct 13 2017, Yaguang Tang wrote:

> I see the latest Gnocchi support using Redis as a storage backend, I am
> testing performance of Redis and Ceph, it seems using Redis as storage
> backend we can achieve  more realtime metric
> data, gnocchi status shows there is always few metric to process.
>
> Is Redis a recommend storage backend ?

Redis is recommended as an incoming measures backend, not really as a
storage – though it really depends on the size of your installation.

Up until 4.0 version, Gnocchi process metrics every
$metricd.metric_processing_delay seconds. With version 4.1 (to be
released), the Redis incoming driver has a more realtime processing
delay which avoids having to poll for incoming data.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

2017-10-13 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
Hi All,

Let me reflect to the question in the subject first where I would like to stick 
to the word ‘user’ and keep my answer simple. I think an OpenStack user 
is/looks like as an average person.

To give a longer explanation, in my view when we are designing our user-facing 
API’s we need to keep in mind that we don’t know who is going to use them BUT 
let that be an application developer, a researcher or even a person who seeks 
for a place for their IRC-bouncer, so anyone who interacts with them, should be 
equally able to do so without a PhD degree, the history of the development 
process of a particular functionality, without the need to read the code first 
and so forth.

The above statement is applicable in any given period of time, meaning to 
provide a consistent and consistently pleasant and functional environment from 
release to release.

To answer the follow up question on 'Who are _you_ building OpenStack for?’ I 
would mention operators as well, who need to deal with deploying, configuring, 
troubleshooting and managing the daily operational tasks regardless of the 
location, nature and size of an OpenStack deployment.

I think as in many cases when this topic comes up it’s more of a social than a 
technical challenge.

To continue on that aspect, when I’m involved in a feature design and 
development activity I like to imagine that I will be the one, who will operate 
the service and use the newly introduced functionality. It helps much to avoid 
decisions that sacrifices the operator and user experience in favor of faster 
and easier design and implementation. I also like to encourage the fellow 
community members to do the same and also to play with what we are producing to 
get the first hand experience.

If the intention is there and we have the right mindset the technology will 
help us in the technical implications like automation, maintainability, 
complexity, documentation and so forth.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Ildikó
(IRC: ildikov)


> On 2017. Oct 12., at 18:51, Zane Bitter  wrote:
> 
> (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have the 
> opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends on 
> Saturday, so make with the questions.)
> 
> 
> In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for. When 
> I'm making design decisions I try to think about how it will affect these 
> hypothetical near-future users. By 'users' here I mean end-users, the actual 
> consumers of OpenStack APIs. What will it enable them to do? What will they 
> have to work around? I think we probably all do this, at least 
> subconsciously. (Free tip: try doing it consciously.)
> 
> So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or anyone 
> else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical OpenStack user 
> that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are _you_ building OpenStack 
> for?
> 
> There's a description of mine in this email, as an example:
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123312.html
> 
> To be clear, for me at least there's only one wrong answer ("person who needs 
> somewhere to run their IRC bouncer"). What's important in my opinion is that 
> we have a bunch of people with *different* answers on the TC, because I think 
> that will lead to better discussion and hopefully better decisions.
> 
> Discuss.
> 
> cheers,
> Zane.
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election] Question for the candidates

2017-10-13 Thread Ildiko Vancsa
Hi All,

I agree with the items pointed out in the previous mails in the thread.

In my view the discussion on the vision was crucial in order to synchronize on 
what we think OpenStack is and to understand what direction we would like it to 
move and how we keep it an innovative environment that fits into the ecosystem 
around. It is also important to revisit the mission time to time and shape it 
to how the technology and ecosystem around us evolves.

The discussion about new languages is also pointing towards being inclusive and 
diverse in technology which is a very important step to keep OpenStack current 
and flexible and to support the integration engine nature of it on the way 
forward.

However, to pick my choice, I would like to take a step away from technology 
and mention the decision on dropping the weekly meetings and using the mailing 
list and setting up an IRC channel and office hours for the TC. I think it is 
just as important if not slightly more than the technology itself to be 
critical and innovative with our processes too within the community to ensure 
that we are open and inclusive in practice as well.

This might be one of the reasons to have such good diversity among the 
candidates this time around which shows we are moving to the right direction 
and is also encouraging as we need all the voices and different points of view, 
experience and expertise represented in the technical leadership of our 
community.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Ildikó
(IRC: ildikov)


> On 2017. Oct 13., at 6:49, Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap)  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Clay Gerrard  wrote:
>> I like a representative democracy.  It mostly means I get a say in which
>> other people I have to trust to think deeply about issues which effect me
>> and make decisions which I agree (more or less) are of benefit to the social
>> groups in which I participate.  When I vote IRL I like to consider voting
>> records.  Actions speak louder blah blah.
>> 
>> To candidates:
>> 
>> Would you please self select a change (or changes) from
>> https://github.com/openstack/governance/ in the past ~12 mo or so where they
>> thought the outcome or the discussion/process was particular good and
>> explain why you think so?
>> 
>> It'd be super helpful to me, thanks!
>> 
>> -Clay
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> I have few of them on my mind.
> 
> Setting up guidelines for managing releases of binary artifacts [1]
> was very important in and key to the hearts of most OpenStack
> operators and everyone who's looking at the next big leap with
> containerized deployment.
> 
> Embracing new languages in OpenStack which are required as dependency
> for certain projects [2] [3] is a very important decision and I would
> really like to see it through. While there is a lot of work to be done
> to get something fully operational in current infrastructure but as we
> will have more contributors who feel the need, we have the background
> work ready for it.
> 
> And of course setting up the vision and mission for TC [4] was one of
> the important things done. There will still be updates to it, but the
> current draft is a piece of work with a diverse community like ours.
> 
> [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469265/
> [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451524/
> [3] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398875/
> [4] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453262/
> 
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