Re: [opensuse] Creating new packages for OpenSuSE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alejandro Forero Cuervo wrote: ... I believe having a lot of packages (without allowing redundant packages) would be good, even if some of them are not as properly maintained as they could be. I would rather have 3 ISOs of very properly maintained software + 4 ISOs of averagely maintained packages + 4 ISOs of sparringly maintained software than just 3 ISOs of very properly maintained software. I feel that allowing relatively unused I wonder why you are mentioning ISOs ? I think the top priority should be to discuss how we could integrate 3rd party package repositories (like Packman, James Ogley's, various suser-* on gwdg.de, mine, ...) into the distribution, /not/ into ISOs but e.g. offer them as a choice list of installation sources in YaST2, aggregate information about them in the opensuse.org site, through a common build infrastructure, common policies, etc... I think that putting them into ISOs is definately not a good idea, as that isn't flexible enough. Furthermore, the added value of our 3rd party repositories is two-fold: 1) offer packages that are not included in SUSE Linux (although it already includes a lot of packages) 2) offer newer releases of packages that are included in SUSE Linux, as SUSE/Novell's policy is to stick with the version that's shipped with a release and only provide security fixes (that are usually backported) Although openSUSE is the effort to create a strong community around the SUSE Linux distribution and that we're all looking forward to work together on that, the ISOs and the boxed set are still SUSE Linux (OSS or not) and that's Novell/SUSE's reputation. Like Scott already said, Novell should not have to be liable (in terms of support) or have its name put on the packages made by others. Besides that, as you have read the threads about it, I suppose that you also noticed the complexity involved with how to best implement that process. We still have to discuss a lot to get there, we'll eventually do, and then maybe one could think about a process to integrate some of those packages into SUSE Linux. But that decision must be left to Novell alone. Even if you name the ISOs unsupported, most people will say that SUSE Linux s**ks because there were broken packages on it. Let's first try to find the best ways of integrating 3rd party repositories. packages into the distribution would be benefical, at least better than not including them at all. I don't see any reasons why the quality of the 3 ISOs of very properly maintained software would diminish by allowing the rest of the packages into the distribution. In this case, if a package is poorly maintained, anyone should be allowed to contribute and help improve its quality. Sure. We can do that with 3rd party repositories, but not with ISOs. Oh, and we could use tools similar to Debian's popularity contest to decide how to place our RPMs in our ISOs (probably marking the less important ISOs as additional or optional). No, you can't compare Debian with Novell here. The decision of what makes it into the SUSE Linux distribution should (and shall) remain with Novell. Is Debian offering installation support ? They're not. Certainly, I'm not advocating letting anyone put up random crap and making it part of the distribution! I think there are many alternatives less extreme than the Novell remains in control approach. Novell remains in control of the SUSE Linux distribution. That's fine and has already been discussed a little. Let them do (almost) whatever it takes to keep on providing us with the solid distribution SUSE Linux has always been. And let us as a community build (almost) whatever we want on top of and around that. You could make your /own/ distribution based on SUSE Linux OSS + integrate packages from other repositories (like Packman or mine) into ISOs. That's fine, nothing wrong with that. Althoug I use SLES, SUSE Pro and NLD almost every day, I've been a long time Debian user: my perception is that most of their packages are of *very* *good* quality (it should be said that I have very little familiarity with Fedora). In their case, allowing anyone to create packages that are official part of the distribution has most certainly not decreased their overall quality. It's true that the Debian packages are very high quality. But AFAIK that's because they're doing the exact opposite of what you're saying: they have *official maintainers* that are in charge of packages. They are *not* allowing anyone to create packages that make it into the official Debian distribution. It's quite a long and complex process of becoming an entitled official Debian package maintainer, they raise the bar quite high for someone to get there, and that's why they have good packages. In my case I would package the Chicken Scheme compiler (along with many extensions) and the Ion window manager. Sure, they are relatively
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE Server Version?!
Marcel Volz wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. September 2005 17:05 schrieb jdd: Marcel Volz wrote: My orginal itention was to hear if there is somebody else, who want a openSUSE Version which aims at being used as server. Are you intersestd in a server version? I definitvely am. no X, ssh, http, ftp, postfix, qpopper, samba, squirell, Susefirewall, squid, bind, mysql, phpMyAdmin, mediawiki... installed by default. I think everybody has different needs with his server, so I would like to see a more slim minimal installation. And then everybody could pick their own server packages. of course, but the key is installed. on the 9.0 (the last server install I did), nearly all the setup had to be done by hand and not obvious at all. The second think that could be improved is documentation. I like the documentation from SUSE Linux, but there could be more. Maybe some people could add more some server specific documentation to then next SUSE Linux Version. I may help. Based on the 9.0, I wrote a hole learning course (alas, for now, it's in french). It's free available here: http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/Formation_Jdd I plan to go to opensuse/SUSE 10.0 when final available and, if needed, I can translate it (for this I would appreciate some help, at least proofreading); It's aimed to very newbie wanting to create his own home server on a dsl line like many can do today jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Showing the PC layer on Dual PC/MAC cds (FIXED)
I'd like to thank whoever fixed the issue in 9.3 that meant that Dual Layer PC/MAC cd would show the mac layer. Or at least it's fixed in beta 3. If anyone's broken it since them I'm not going to be happy ;) I can play Warcraft3 and Diablo2 and maybe World of Warcraft under Linux now. :) Thanks Marcus -- Photos : www.flickr.com/photos/marcusc Blog : marcusbrain.blogspot.com `The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.' HST - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] applydeltaiso
Robert Schiele schrieb: On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 09:07:52PM +0200, Georg Roesler wrote: Hi, I got only corrupt (wrong MD5 sums) isos after running applydeltaiso SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta4-CD2.iso \ SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-Beta4_RC1-CD2.delta.iso \ SUSE-10.0-CD-OSS-i386-RC1-CD2.iso for all disks 2 - 5. Were both, the source images (beta4) and the delta images correct, i.e. their MD5 sum was correct? yes Georg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] applydeltaiso
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger schrieb: Georg Roesler schrieb: I got only corrupt (wrong MD5 sums) isos after running applydeltaiso [...] On which beta did you execute applydeltaiso? IIRC one of the betas had problems with that. Try it on a 9.3 or 10.0beta4 machine. I tried it on a Knoppix machine with alienized *.rpm package. Georg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] rlocate
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 07:08:19PM +0200, Richard Bos wrote: Is rlocate something to be included in a newer suse version? rlocate, by Rasto Levrinc, is based on slocate, which is an improvement on traditional locate, rlocate updates its path database in real-time by using a kernel module that intercepts all paths modifications and a daemon that logs those operations on a differences file. The combination of the full path database with the difference file gives you instant updated information on the filesystem. rlocate behaves exactly the same way as slocate or locate does, except that any modification you make to the filesystem is immediately taken in account. For instance: # rlocate new-fresh-file [nothing-- no matches] # touch new-fresh-file # rlocate new-fresh-file /var/tmp/new-fresh-file # rm -f /var/tmp/new-fresh-file # rlocate new-fresh-file [nothing-- no matches] See this article for more: http://www.linux.com/print.pl?sid=05/08/31/1441206 I do not really want to look at the kernel module because I know it will be horrible. And yes The ``Default Linux Capabilities'' must be either disabled or set to 'M' in your kernel configuration in ``Security options'' section. Capability module cannot be loaded at the same time as rlocate. Disable also NSA SELinux. You lose any kind of capability based security using this. So: No way. They should be using the audit framework which has been introduced in the last months. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE confusion
Pascal Bleser wrote: There already _is_ an opensource version of SUSE Linux: that's the one you downloaded the ISOs on the internet, it's the SUSE Linux OSS distribution. It does _not_ include proprietary packages like Opera, Realplayer, ... Yep, that was so since years. SuSE Linux comes on ftp for free download, 3 month after selling, without some proprietary packets. In the last SuSE 9.3 there also the Kernel rpm's are splitted in GPL and non GPL packages. And now that is OpenSUSE you can get on ftp, bevor it's selling in shops, and the comunity can help to develop it. The other distribution is SUSE Linux, sold as a boxed set (soon for 10.0, has been announced recently). It's actually the same as SUSE Linux OSS + some proprietary packages like Realplayer and Java. Ciao Marco. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Updated - GNOME 1 CD Install
If you downloaded the version from 20050909, then you only have to download the delta (much smaller download compared 75MB compared to 680MB). Then use applydeltaiso to make the new full ISO. For information about this, see http://www.opensuse.org/Download_Instructions Cheers, Magnus On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 6:46 pm, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the difference between delta and standard iso ? - To unsubscribe, e- mail: opensuse- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e- mail: opensuse- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] rlocate
Op maandag 12 september 2005 10:43, schreef Marcus Meissner: So: No way. They should be using the audit framework which has been introduced in the last months. Marcus, thanks for your clear feedback. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] applydeltaiso
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: Georg Roesler schrieb: I got only corrupt (wrong MD5 sums) isos after running applydeltaiso [...] On which beta did you execute applydeltaiso? IIRC one of the betas had problems with that. Try it on a 9.3 or 10.0beta4 machine. It's not deltarpm which was problematic, but bzip2. Please make sure to have this change in bzip2 (rpm -q --changelog bzip2 | head): - go back to maxlen=20 when compressing Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE Server Version?!
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Marco Maske wrote: Sonja Krause-Harder wrote: Just for the record: the SLES 9 eval version available at http://download.novell.com/ contains the full set of 6 CDs, two of which contain the src rpms. To say SLES is not open source is a bit far-fetched - but it is aimed at earning money with it, that's true. I wish the SLES 9 eval version can payed (licenced) for one user, home use or students for little money. Check out: http://www.suse.de/edu/ Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE Server Version?!
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:47:10AM +0200, Marco Maske wrote: I wish the SLES 9 eval version can payed (licenced) for one user, home use or students for little money. I don't think that for these uses (one user, home use, students) you are really needing the added value of SLES over SUSE Linux. Rasmus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't read a CD
On Monday 12 September 2005 06:38, Youssef CHAHIBI wrote: snip ... and from the manufacturer's CD that is provided with the modem. It seems that the last way is the easier, but the problem is that I can't read the CD from Linux. I also tried extracting the ISO, and mounting it with -o loop, but it gives me an empty directory. Help. Youssef, Whatever is preventing you from reading the CD is probably also affecting your ability to extract the ISO, so I'd focus on solving that problem. What programs or utilities have you tried to use to read it? - Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
Hello all, I'm fairly new to Suse and I just installed 9.3 onto my new laptop, I think its pretty good. I'm usually a Fedora user but I'm getting bored and want to try something else. Anyway, the thing I love about fedora is all the extra yum/apt repositories around the 'net, eg freshrpms atrpms dag wieers livna etc What I'd like to know is, are there any such equivalent repos for suse 9.3 ? I'm particularly interested in; mplayer + codecs dvdcss thunderbird (I know its standard in 10) kismet any help greatly appreciated. Brian. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, there are: http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/9.3/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-guru/rpm/9.3/ The sources must be be added in Yast. There is also apt4suse, but I prefer yast. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Monday 12 September 2005 07:38, Redhat Admin wrote: What I'd like to know is, are there any such equivalent repos for suse 9.3 ? Brian. Hi Brian, The correct list for 9.3 (released) questions is suse-linux-e. Visit http://lists.suse.com for info on that. There are a lot of great '3rd party' package maintainers for SUSE, too. MPlayer etc. and many more can be found here: http://packman.links2linux.com/ Two more useful links on this topic are here: http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/ ftp://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ regards, - Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Monday 12 September 2005 12:38, Redhat Admin wrote: Hello all, I'm fairly new to Suse and I just installed 9.3 onto my new laptop, I think its pretty good. I'm usually a Fedora user but I'm getting bored and want to try something else. Anyway, the thing I love about fedora is all the extra yum/apt repositories around the 'net, eg Try ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/ or ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people. Roderick Joyce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE confusion
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: Shouldn't MP3 playback support be included in the OSS version? AFAIK, Thompson's patents on MP3 allow royalty-free distribution of free decoders. Tell me where on this page: http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html ...you find where it says royalty-free distribution of free decoders. If you find that magic phrase, let me know and we'll drop mp3 support into Fedora Core tomorrow. :) Well Greg, if we had that magic key, we would already have mp3 support in SUSE Linux OSS ;) Nevertheless, the retail version supports mp3 playback out-of-the-box(TM). Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Monday 12 September 2005 08:02, Pascal Bleser wrote: That's http://packman.links2linux.org Thanks for pointing out my link is bad! (copied pasted) - Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE Server Version?!
Marcel Volz wrote: Am Montag, 12. September 2005 13:01 schrieb jdd: Marcel Volz wrote: I would like to see some sysadmins to share their experience. I can only do what I'm good for :-) Every Linux User is a little sysadmin! :-) I named my course Admin Linux Baby, because it's not even at the LPI Junior admin level :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Monday 12 September 2005 08:37, houghi wrote: snip This is getting very confusing. I personally like the Yast Repositories better an easier to use: http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories Hi Houghi, It /is/ confusing to me sometimes, too, so don't feel bad. The way I've organized it in my head and on on my systems is YaST handles official SUSE packages, including the unsupported supplementary sources and security updates, and I use apt/synaptic to handle everything else. This wasn't planned, it was just a natural progression from YaST (pre-installed, of course) to later integrating apt into my routine. How are these related? Is the above the same as Guru, or are there differences? In apt there are other suser-* things as well. Can they be used as external Yast repositories or not? I can't answer this because I still cherry pick rpms at Guru's site and install them manually. I do this for most of the suser- sources. There are a lot of warnings in the apt documentation and scripts about avoiding experimental and development level packages which, purportedly, are maintained in several of the 'suser-' sources; warnings to the effect that average non-programmer / non-tinkerer users ought not include those sources lest they end up 'breaking' their systems. YaST and apt are two interfaces into the same package management system (rpm), but I think (could be wrong) the staging of the packages, server-side, is different between the two. I think YaST recognizes and will use a YaST source and, likewise, apt it's own repositories, but I don't think the two are seamlessly interchangeable. I will be re-writing http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories to make it more uniform, especially the External ones. I'll be following your progress and will probably be learning from you :-) Thanks for the effort! - Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Postgresql Client Missing in 10rc1
I'm not sure if was intential or just an oversite, but suse10rc1 does not have the postgresql. Here I do a find against my suse installation directories. As you can see, version 10rc1 is quite light. Will the other packages be included at the official release? dell-0-1-4:/local/misc2/distro # find suse93 -name postgre* suse93/suse/i586/postgresql-8.0.1-6.i586.rpm suse93/suse/i586/postgresql-contrib-8.0.1-6.i586.rpm suse93/suse/i586/postgresql-devel-8.0.1-6.i586.rpm suse93/suse/i586/postgresql-docs-8.0.1-6.i586.rpm suse93/suse/i586/postgresql-libs-8.0.1-6.i586.rpm suse93/suse/i586/postgresql-pl-8.0.1-6.i586.rpm suse93/suse/i586/postgresql-server-8.0.1-6.i586.rpm suse93/suse/noarch/postgresql-jdbc-7.3-192.noarch.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-8.0.1-6.x86_64.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-contrib-8.0.1-6.x86_64.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-devel-8.0.1-6.x86_64.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-docs-8.0.1-6.x86_64.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-libs-32bit-9.3-7.x86_64.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-libs-8.0.1-6.x86_64.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-pl-8.0.1-6.x86_64.rpm suse93/suse/x86_64/postgresql-server-8.0.1-6.x86_64.rpm dell-0-1-4:/local/misc2/distro # find suse10* -name postgre* suse10/suse/x86_64/postgresql-libs-8.0.3-5.x86_64.rpm suse10/suse/x86_64/postgresql-libs-32bit-8.0.3-5.x86_64.rpm suse10-32/suse/i586/postgresql-libs-8.0.3-5.i586.rpm dell-0-1-4:/local/misc2/distro #
Re: [opensuse] Postgresql Client Missing in 10rc1
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Gomez, Daniel wrote: I'm not sure if was intential or just an oversite, but suse10rc1 does not have the postgresql. Here I do a find against my suse installation directories. As you can see, version 10rc1 is quite light. Will the other packages be included at the official release? Please add http://download.opensuse.orgdistribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/ to your installation source and get all the postgres packages from there. It's simply impossible to fit all packages on the 5 CDs, that's why some packages are only in the ftp trees... Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] About yast2, apt, yum, redcarpet (was: Extra Packages....)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl Hartung wrote: On Monday 12 September 2005 08:37, houghi wrote: snip This is getting very confusing. I personally like the Yast Repositories better an easier to use: http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories It /is/ confusing to me sometimes, too, so don't feel bad. The way I've organized it in my head and on on my systems is YaST handles official SUSE packages, including the unsupported supplementary sources and security updates, and I use apt/synaptic to handle everything else. Ok, as this topic is poping up quite often, let me give some background on all that. YaST2 installs packages from YaST2 metadata repositories. It's as simple as that ;) Those are called installation sources in the YaST2 jargon. That metadata comprises data for every package that's provided, such as: - - package name, version and release number, what architecture - - summary and description - - dependencies to other packages - - what it provides to other packages etc... Novell provides installation sources for 10.0: http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source-java/ (those are from the uni-erlangen mirror, the primary source being ftp.gwdg.de) Those are the official, supported installation sources for SUSE Linux, that include the packages that are shipped within the SUSE Linux distribution (except for the inst-source-java installation source: it includes packages that are not shipped on the SUSE Linux OSS distribution, because they're not OpenSource, but AFAIK installation of those is also supported by Novell). The other installation sources are commonly referred to as 3rd party repositories, where 3rd party means: not made nor maintained nor supported by Novell. Two examples of these: Packman and my site (guru) (and there are a few others, just to lazy to put them all in here ;)). We 3rd party repository maintainers have several options on how to offer our packages to everyone's use: - - http/ftp download: Download the files yourself, and install them e.g. with the rpm command-line (rpm -i ...). We all have that but it's not the best option as you have to solve the dependency issues yourself. - - YaST2 repository metadata: SUSE includes a few scripts to generate and maintain it (although it's not the simplest metadata format to handle, let's hope for/make better tools). - - APT repository metadata: To be used by the RPM port of APT (commonly referred to as apt4rpm although that's not correct: apt4rpm is the server-side package that includes the tools to generate the repository metadata - the APT client (used to install packages) is apt or apt-get). - - YUM repository metadata: YUM is a tool similar to APT that has originally been written by Yellow Dog Linux (a distro specialized on PPC) and which has been adopted by the Fedora Core project as their primary package installation frontend. - - RedCarpet repository metadata: Red Carpet is a package management frontend developed by Ximian (now Novell as they have been bought by the latter). All of these package installation frontends have different repository metadata formats, which means that if I, as a 3rd party repository manager, want to give the users the choice of the frontend they want to use, I have to generate the metadata for all of them. And that's what part of us actually do (except for YUM). Note that for the package repositories hosted at ftp.gwdg.de (and that's most of them), Eberhart Moenke does the hard work as he is generating the metadata over there. For YaST2 and RedCarpet, we are generating it ourselves (at least the Packman team and I do so). BTW, I call these (yast2, apt, yum, red carpet) frontends because that's what they are. Not in a sense of being GUIs(*) or CLIs(**), but because in the end, they all use RPM to actually install (or remove, or upgrade) the packages. (*) Graphical User Interface (**) Command-Line Interface The benefit of that approach is that never mind which frontend you use, or even if you mix them, it all works just fine because RPM is doing the low-level stuff for all of them. You don't have separate package databases, it's all RPM. Note that with mix, I mean once installing a package with rpm -i, then with apt-get (or it's GUI synaptic), the next one with YaST2 (or y2pmsh), and eventually the other one with Red Carpet (or its CLI frontend rug). It all works. So, in the end, it's a matter of choosing the frontend you prefer. And, obviously, if you have 3rd party package repositories that you like to use, make sure you choose a frontend those repositories have metadata for. ... How are these related? Is the above the same as Guru, or are there differences? It's the URL to the YaST2 metadata (installation source) but it's the same list of packages than if you were using
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 09:51:12AM -0400, Carl Hartung wrote: On Monday 12 September 2005 08:37, houghi wrote: snip This is getting very confusing. I personally like the Yast Repositories better an easier to use: http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories Hi Houghi, It /is/ confusing to me sometimes, too, so don't feel bad. The way I've organized it in my head and on on my systems is YaST handles official SUSE packages, including the unsupported supplementary sources and security updates, and I use apt/synaptic to handle everything else. I twice tried apt and killed my system, so I won't use it, unless I have to. This wasn't planned, it was just a natural progression from YaST (pre-installed, of course) to later integrating apt into my routine. The reason people use apt is because they were told that it was the easiest way. I have now found out that one tool (Yast) can do the same stuff that apt did. There just was not enough emphasis on the use of extra repositories, or even the use of repositories at all. Once you know how to add repositories, it is (at least for a beginner) the easiest way to go. Yast - Change Source - Add To know what to add, just look on the URL below. I'll be following your progress and will probably be learning from you :-) Thanks for the effort! http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories The first part is done. Hope you like it. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories The first part is done. Hope you like it. Great work, thanks ! But just a proposition, do you think that the directories should be sorted from the most recent (10.0), to the oldest (7.x) ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About yast2, apt, yum, redcarpet (was: Extra Packages....)
On Monday 12 September 2005 10:28, Pascal Bleser wrote: I hope all of this helps understanding. cheers 'Helps is an understatement, Pascal. Thank you very much for taking time out to explain it to us... just want to ensure you know it's appreciated! - Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About yast2, apt, yum, redcarpet (was: Extra Packages....)
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 04:28:48PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: snip excelent explanation I hope all of this helps understanding. very much so. Much kudo's to all those third party packagers. One more question. Packman and Guru seem to do a lot of overlapping work. It looks as if a lot of packages are made on both. Would it not be easier to devide the tasks so both get more time to do other things? Or is that already happening? houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 02:51:49PM +, Youssef CHAHIBI wrote: http://www.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories The first part is done. Hope you like it. Great work, thanks ! But just a proposition, do you think that the directories should be sorted from the most recent (10.0), to the oldest (7.x) ? I just looked and took the order on the server. Only 10.0 was on top, The rest was in that order. For me that was the most logical choice. It is a WiKi page, so by all means change it. :-) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] MTA on a desktop machine (was: 1 CD install ready to test)
Andreas Girardet wrote: - postfix mail server not much use for a desktop m/c Then how will you receive system mail/reports ? I also always found it highly peculiar that one needs to run a full blown mailserver just to get reports. Removing that dependency of cron and removing postfix seems on a streamlined desktop quite OK to me. I second that. - For a normal desktop you don't need an MTA. Just drop everything to syslog. - Next step would be simply to have one central configuration of a smarthost (so this setting would be also written automatically to mozilla/kmail/whateverMUA as default SMTP host). Mail from dialin-IPs is anyhow mostly rejected nowadays because of spam. - Only if some admin really wishes to have a fully-blown MTA, this should be installed, but not for a default installation. Ciao Siegbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About yast2, apt, yum, redcarpet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 houghi wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 04:28:48PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: snip excelent explanation I hope all of this helps understanding. very much so. Much kudo's to all those third party packagers. One more question. Packman and Guru seem to do a lot of overlapping work. It looks as if a lot of packages are made on both. Would it not be easier to devide the tasks so both get more time to do other things? We don't have that many overlapping packages, but we do have a few indeed. But actually I'm going to join the Packman team, so my packages will be hosted over there and we'll sort out the conflicts and duplicate packages. Or is that already happening? Yes, behind the scenes ;) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v === FOSDEM 2006 -- February 2006 in Brussels === -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDJaV1r3NMWliFcXcRAvMGAKCueurEYV1+Jy8nmKtzpkIcuVOX3gCfbkRs dOolcq/N9Rmv9nP0oluEpgE= =tTh9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Postgresql Client Missing in 10rc1
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 04:32:01PM +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote: Please add http://download.opensuse.orgdistribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/ to your installation source and get all the postgres packages from there. It's simply impossible to fit all packages on the 5 CDs, that's why some packages are only in the ftp trees... My guess is that a lot of people will come up with this. Could this be automagically added to Yast? Now it has just one Software Source Media. What would be nice is to have download.opensuse.org added after instalation. To not have everybody use the same sever, perhaps it could change the first time you choose a mirror. The downside is that people who do not have a permanent and/or fast/cheap connection might not be happy. This AND the fact that the adding of sources should be much more promoted and explained. With that people should be made clear that the best way to install is to just use the boot.iso. At least for a single machine. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About yast2, apt, yum, redcarpet
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:57:41PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: We don't have that many overlapping packages, but we do have a few indeed. But actually I'm going to join the Packman team, so my packages will be hosted over there and we'll sort out the conflicts and duplicate packages. Or is that already happening? Yes, behind the scenes ;) Awesome. :-) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Postgresql Client Missing in 10rc1
Hi, On Monday, September 12, 2005 at 18:07:24, houghi wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 04:32:01PM +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote: Please add http://download.opensuse.orgdistribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/ to your installation source and get all the postgres packages from there. It's simply impossible to fit all packages on the 5 CDs, that's why some packages are only in the ftp trees... My guess is that a lot of people will come up with this. Could this be automagically added to Yast? Now it has just one Software Source Media. What would be nice is to have download.opensuse.org added after instalation. To not have everybody use the same sever, perhaps it could change the first time you choose a mirror. The downside is that people who do not have a permanent and/or fast/cheap connection might not be happy. This AND the fact that the adding of sources should be much more promoted and explained. With that people should be made clear that the best way to install is to just use the boot.iso. At least for a single machine. Im working on a new Download page that explain all this a lot better.. http://www.opensuse.org/Download_New I will merge the changes back once its finished.. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Subsystems Rules change. The Game remains the same. - Omar (The Wire) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About yast2, apt, yum, redcarpet
It would be nice to see the possability of YUM for SLES. On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:09 am, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:57:41PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: We don't have that many overlapping packages, but we do have a few indeed. But actually I'm going to join the Packman team, so my packages will be hosted over there and we'll sort out the conflicts and duplicate packages. Or is that already happening? Yes, behind the scenes ;) Awesome. :- ) houghi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Grub Config during Install
Hello List, am I to blind, or is there just no Possibility to configure the Bootloader during Installation of OSS 10 RC1 ... ? Thanks Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
It is a WiKi page, so by all means change it. :-) I just asked your permission, I had the intention to do it. Thank you very much ! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Grub Config during Install
But this is realy unusually to have such a basic thing in a hidden window tab. And for me, as i did a Update Installation, there was no extra EXPERT tab shown up. So the bootloader was automatically written into the mbr of hda, even grub was installed into the mbr of the root partition of the Installation i´m about to update ... Greatings Michael You can still reconfigure GRUB from Yast. I don't know exactly the reason why you are about to update, but if it's because of GRUB you can change the settings from Yast or use a rescue system. Thanks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE confusion
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:17:42PM -0500, Alejandro Forero Cuervo wrote: Tell me where on this page: http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html ...you find where it says royalty-free distribution of free decoders. What makes you think you need to agree to those royalties for a *decoder*? The fact that your country isn't the ONLY one on Earth and that each one has it's own laws? Those royalties are for a series of patents that seem to apply to encoders, not decoders. You can find a listing in: http://www.mp3licensing.com/patents/index.html My understanding is that you only need to license this patents if you distribute an *encoder*. If you need to license those patents, you also have to agree to some per-decoder fee, but that doesn't mean you need to license them for a decoder. This has been througly discussed in debian-legal and other mailing lists. If you find that magic phrase, let me know and we'll drop mp3 support into Fedora Core tomorrow. :) I'd settle for an IQ test before being allowed to sign up on these lists. But what the hell you opened the can: Instead of dropping MP3 support IN, why not drop up2date into a blender like in the Pink Floyd video? I've used every release to date and none seem to be able to handle more than a few downloads of patches at a time and most of the time it fails out of the box. It reminds me of when I update XP, you have to do it one at a time or it freezes up. Out of the box. I believe you should do that. Debian, after discussing the legal status of doing so, has decided to include MP3 *decoding* support (not *encoding*) and there are many free software decoders around, whose authors have never licensed any of Thomson patents. And Debian isn't a company or corporation. Therefore Debian has less to worry about by doing so. Novell is a business, they have to actually worry about these types of things. It seems this was discussed in Slashdot at some point in 2003 when a report claimed it wasn't legally allowed to distribute free decoders anymore. At this point many distributions decided to drop MP3 support. However, it seems this report was bogus, as reported in: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/30321 I bet I could find news reports saying they found intelligent life once at a Republican convention. Doesn't make it true. I hope this helps. Alejo. http://azul.freaks-unidos.net/ ---=( Comunidad de Usuarios de Software Libre en Colombia )=--- ---=( http://bachue.com/colibri )=--=( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )=--- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 06:51:38PM +0100, James Ogley wrote: That's http://packman.links2linux.org And here's another one: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ ...and also http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms :) Do you plan on converting that to Yast repo's as well, or will that stay apt-only? houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, houghi wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 06:51:38PM +0100, James Ogley wrote: That's http://packman.links2linux.org And here's another one: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ ...and also http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms :) Do you plan on converting that to Yast repo's as well, or will that stay apt-only? It's just a matter of calling createrepo /dir/to/rpms/ to turn them into YUM repos. For 10.0 those would work out of the box with YaST or yum. If you need yum packages for older SUSE releases, I can build them and put them into my people dir on ftp.suse.com... Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Printerdriver
I have installed the 1 cd Install Opensuse 10.0 RC1, and must have done something wrong somewhere down the road. I have a HP 3820 Deskjet, and when I start to print a photo or somthing with colour, I can only bearly see that there is color on the printout. I have trid to changed drive with Yast, but I can not find more then one driver. I think that I had several other when i installed the system the first time. Can someone help me with this one Gunnar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Grub Config during Install
Michael Schueller schrieb: Am Montag, 12. September 2005 19:43 schrieb Youssef CHAHIBI: But this is realy unusually to have such a basic thing in a hidden window tab. And for me, as i did a Update Installation, there was no extra EXPERT tab shown up. Do you realy think that changing the bootloader configuration is basic task ? To be honest, I'm changing the GRUB configuration after installation as well, but I don't do it during the installation itself. IMHO that is an EXPERT task. Therefore it is right under the EXPERT tab. 10.0rc1 at this time is for experts but will be released to the public soon (less than 4 weeks from now ...) and then hidding EXPERT taks under the EXPERT tab seems to be vital. Otherwise non-EXPERTS might be confused by too many options ... [...] Why i want to update ? I wanted to update the Beta4 to RC1, and next i possibly want to update my SuSE 9.1 to SuSe 10 ... But this is not the Point, if you want to update you want control by your bootloader, that´s it. Again, you might want to do that, but I expect you not to be a non-EXPERT. Do you realy think a beginner wants to change a working configuration ? Best regards, Reinhard. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, houghi wrote: If you need yum packages for older SUSE releases, I can build them and put them into my people dir on ftp.suse.com... Not me personally and ftp.suse.com is so slow, I sometimes think it is a server at somebodies home behind an ISDN link. :-) s/ftp.suse.com/$mirror of ftp.suse.com/ ;) Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't read a CD
Youssef CHAHIBI schrieb: It seems that the last way is the easier, but the problem is that I can't read the CD from Linux. What exactly did you do to read the CDROM ? Could you read any CDROM before trying the manufactures CDROM ? How your /etc/fstab looks like ? Did you try to mount the CDROM by yourself ? Which command you used ? Best regards, Reinhard. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Grub Config during Install
Am Montag, 12. September 2005 20:49 schrieb Reinhard Gimbel: Michael Schueller schrieb: Am Montag, 12. September 2005 19:43 schrieb Youssef CHAHIBI: But this is realy unusually to have such a basic thing in a hidden window tab. And for me, as i did a Update Installation, there was no extra EXPERT tab shown up. Do you realy think that changing the bootloader configuration is basic task ? To be honest, I'm changing the GRUB configuration after installation as well, but I don't do it during the installation itself. IMHO that is an EXPERT task. Therefore it is right under the EXPERT tab. 10.0rc1 at this time is for experts but will be released to the public soon (less than 4 weeks from now ...) and then hidding EXPERT taks under the EXPERT tab seems to be vital. Otherwise non-EXPERTS might be confused by too many options ... [...] Why i want to update ? I wanted to update the Beta4 to RC1, and next i possibly want to update my SuSE 9.1 to SuSe 10 ... But this is not the Point, if you want to update you want control by your bootloader, that´s it. Again, you might want to do that, but I expect you not to be a non-EXPERT. Do you realy think a beginner wants to change a working configuration ? Well, probably you are right. The easyest way is, to install the bootloader into the mbr of the hda and integrate an existing Windows Installation. For those how make there first Installation this might be o.k But if you have another Linux Installation and you want to keep the bootloader as it is, someone should tell you about the Expert Tab. I have just overlooked this Tab, and thought i would be asked later, but i was´nt. This was happen at the first time i installed Beta4 as a New Installation. And so i did not wonder that there was no way to konfigurer the bootloader as i updated from Beta4 to RC1. So all in all, the Bootloader Configuration was a little bit tricky to me,because i expect the way it was before. But at least, OSS 10 works smother now then 9.3 ever did ... So thanks to all for a job well done ;-) Micha Best regards, Reinhard. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] opensuse wlan
Hello everybody, this weekend i tried opensuse rc1 - everything looks fine but I cannot connect to the internet via my wlan. I had the same problem with 9.3 but I could solve this by deleting my ethernetcard in yast. In rc1 I cannot delete the ethernetcard. If I click on delete the card does not disappear, it simply is markedt as unconfigured and that doesn't help (at least on suse 9.3) - is there any way to delete the card? Excuse my clumsy English ant thanks for your help. helmut
Re: [opensuse] Grub Config during Install
Am 12.09.2005 20:49 schrieb Reinhard Gimbel: Michael Schueller schrieb: Why i want to update ? I wanted to update the Beta4 to RC1, and next i possibly want to update my SuSE 9.1 to SuSe 10 ... But this is not the Point, if you want to update you want control by your bootloader, that´s it. Again, you might want to do that, but I expect you not to be a non-EXPERT. Do you realy think a beginner wants to change a working configuration ? I think what he wants to say is that the EXPERT Tab is not existing when you choose update instead of installation. OJ -- Zigarette ist ein Euphemismus für ein clever konzipiertes Produkt, das genau die Menge Nikotin abgibt, die nötig ist, um den Konsumenten sein Leben lang abhängig zu halten, bevor es ihn umbringt. (Dr. G. H. Brundtland, 1999) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
Am 12.09.2005 20:29 schrieb Barry Hinrichs: Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler. Why dont you use apt then? I think it is much more comfortable than yast. OJ -- [Plenken, Konventionen, Ästhetik] Ja, Herr Polizist. Rote Ampeln beachte ich aus aesthetischen Gruenden nie, aber ansonsten bemuehe ich mich den Konventionen der StVO nachzukommen... (Rüdiger Lahl in d.c.s.m.b) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] opensuse wlan
Hallo ! Helmut Seidel schrieb: this weekend i tried opensuse rc1 - everything looks fine but I cannot connect to the internet via my wlan. I had the same problem with 9.3 but I could solve this by deleting my ethernetcard in yast. In rc1 I cannot delete the ethernetcard. If I click on delete the card does not disappear, it simply is markedt as unconfigured and that doesn't help (at least on suse 9.3) - is there any way to delete the card? Some questions: Are you connected to a LAN as well (i.e. have you plugged in an ethernet/TP cable as well) ? I could configure my SuSE 9.3 by using the the ifplugd for the LAN port. You can enable this using YaST. Therefore chose the LAN port and open the extended options/device activation (sinngem.) [Erweiterte Einstellungen]-[Geräte-Aktivierung]. You will find entries like (sinngem.) during startup [Beim Systemstart], if plugged-in [Bei Kabelanschluß], hotplugged [Falls hot-plugged], Manual [Manuell] and Never [Niemals]. The 2nd one [Bei Kabelanschluß] should be your selection for the LAN port. For the WLAN port you need not to change anything. Excuse my clumsy English ant thanks for your help. Wir können auch auf deutsch kommunizieren, nur dann hat der Rest der Welt nix davon ... Best regards / Gruß, Reinhard. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
Barry Hinrichs schrieb: I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things. If you select the right source (packman for most multimedia stuff ...) apt might be *your* choice ... Am I missing something? Is there a way to make Yast actually SOLVE dependencies instead of proposing solutions such as ignore and risk inconsistensies or get an older version of such and such... YaST seems to have some disadvantages in this regard compared to apt. Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler. That's right. and there is a GUI called synaptic for apt. I use apt as well as YaST/YOU and haven't had any problem with these two tools up to now. AFAIK they are using the same RPM database to retrieve there information. In a german magazin (c't) there had been an excellent article about apt. Apt is solving all that stuff in a somehow more consistent way. What I experienced so far that statement seems to be true. Best regards, Reinhard. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse wlan
Hi, On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Helmut Seidel wrote: this weekend i tried opensuse rc1 - everything looks fine but I cannot connect to the internet via my wlan. I had the same problem with 9.3 but I could solve this by deleting my ethernetcard in yast. In rc1 I cannot delete the ethernetcard. If I click on delete the card does not disappear, it simply is markedt as unconfigured and that doesn't help (at least on suse 9.3) - is there any way to delete the card? Not configured in YaST is meaning not disturbing anything else, so you should have a closer look at your wlan interface. And at least you need to tell what it is - your wlan interface - if you like to avoid 1000 good, but non-relevant answers here. You should struggle to avoid that. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About yast2, apt, yum, redcarpet
I dont know what Novell/SuSE policies on updating SLES with untested external packages is but I doubt they'd like users doing that then saying SLES crashes now that the whole system has been updated to the latest openSuSE beta realease kernel. Okay Im overdoing it .. but I very much doubt it. or does Redhat have something along that line for Redhat Advanced Server ? --- Cameron Seader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to see the possability of YUM for SLES. - ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 02:29:23PM -0400, Barry Hinrichs wrote: I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things. Am I missing something? Is there a way to make Yast actually SOLVE dependencies instead of proposing solutions such as ignore and risk inconsistensies or get an older version of such and such... Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler. I added Guru and PAckman and have a running Mplayer on both 9.1 and 10.0RC1 Apt killed my system twice. However I love the idea of two (or more) ways to do things. You like apt? Great, I like Yast. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:23:17PM +0200, Reinhard Gimbel wrote: Barry Hinrichs schrieb: I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things. If you select the right source (packman for most multimedia stuff ...) apt might be *your* choice ... If you use Packman, you can also use Yast. I do and it works great with me. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
It's just a matter of calling createrepo /dir/to/rpms/ to turn them into YUM repos. For 10.0 those would work out of the box with YaST or yum. That'd be one for Eberhard I would think, it is his server after all ;) ISTR this was trialed at one point[1] [1] See http://rubberturnip.org.uk/index.cgi/2005/08/06 -- James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] GNOME for SuSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms Make Poverty History: http://makepovertyhistory.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Postgresql Client Missing in 10rc1
Am Montag, 12. September 2005 16:32 schrieb Christoph Thiel: On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Gomez, Daniel wrote: http://download.opensuse.orgdistribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/ ... It's simply impossible to fit all packages on the 5 CDs, that's why some packages are only in the ftp trees... And where is the ppc branch ? -- mdc - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
Hi, On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, houghi wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:49:28PM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64. I need /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/ for the Opteron Packman, and that archive still is not YaST compatible. But: it is already present. ;-)) Would Yum compatible be a good option for those suser-* who do not have the time to do full yast? http://www.opensuse.org/Installation_Sources#Example_2 That way it can be added in Yast from 10.0 on (I asume) Good idea, but I expect the maintainers of the repositories to do it at home. It is not OK to shift I/O and CPU load into ftp.gwdg.de if it can get done at a previous stage. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't read a CD
What exactly did you do to read the CDROM ? First, I inserted the CD and went to media:/ , the title of CD was correct ( SPEEDTOUCH ) but the directory was empty. I also tried mounting from the command line, I typed as root umount /dev/dvd and then mount /dev/dvd, then cd /media/dvd , ls gave me . .. which means it's empty. I tried to read information about the CD with K3B, it was correct: 1 session, 18 Mb. Could you read any CDROM before trying the manufactures CDROM ? Yes How your /etc/fstab looks like ? The default one (SUSE 10.0rc1), there is the same problem with other distros. Did you try to mount the CDROM by yourself ? Which command you used ? Yes, mount /dev/dvd as usual. Best regards, Reinhard. Thank you very much for your reply ! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Printerdriver
I have installed the 1 cd Install Opensuse 10.0 RC1, and must have done something wrong somewhere down the road. I have a HP 3820 Deskjet, and when I start to print a photo or somthing with colour, I can only bearly see that there is color on the printout. I have trid to changed drive with Yast, but I can not find more then one driver. I think that I had several other when i installed the system the first time. Can someone help me with this one Gunnar If you use KDE, goto Imprimer (Print) Propriétés ( properties) Configuration du pilote ( Driver configuration ) and change printout mode to for example Color Cartidge + Black + Grayscale. Save the preferences . This is what I do with my hp deskjet 3650, I have OS10.0rc1 too. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
Am I missing something? You're probably missing something, I use Packman repo with Yast, it worked like a charm, I used it to install MPlayer. Be sure you have added the Packman repo in Yast Change Source. Have a look at the wiki for details - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
I dom't see Pacmans files... I had the same problems when I wanted to add the 10.0 rc1 tree, I resolved it after using y2pmsh: $ source -a http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Creating new packages for OpenSuSE
I believe having a lot of packages (without allowing redundant packages) would be good, even if some of them are not as properly maintained as they could be. I would rather have 3 ISOs of very properly maintained software + 4 ISOs of averagely maintained packages + 4 ISOs of sparringly maintained software than just 3 ISOs of very properly maintained software. I feel that allowing relatively unused I wonder why you are mentioning ISOs ? I mention ISOs because I was replying to a message where someone was complaining about having 432 ISOs as part of OpenSUSE. Replace ISO for RPM and multiply the number by the average number of RPMs that fit on a CD in my post and my general idea would continue to apply. Besides that, as you have read the threads about it, I suppose that you also noticed the complexity involved with how to best implement that process. We still have to discuss a lot to get there, we'll eventually do, and then maybe one could think about a process to integrate some of those packages into SUSE Linux. But that decision must be left to Novell alone. I agree that this is a very complex process! That, however, shouldn't make us put off discussing it and actually implementing it. But yes, I can wait (until 10.0 is out). :) Let's first try to find the best ways of integrating 3rd party repositories. I can agree with that. Why not take that a bit further and make some of those packages from 3rd party repositories official packages? And actually include them in ISOs? I, though, don't feel this is very urgent and would be satisfied with what I believe is likely to happen: Novell gradually starting to include high-quality third party packages into the base distribution. For example, if someone makes a high quality package (for a not previously packaged program) and it becomes popular, I fail to see a reason not to include that package in the ISOs... and in this case, I believe it would be a good option for Novell to work directly with the original packagers (assuming they have done a good work) rather than take over control of the package. In this case, if a package is poorly maintained, anyone should be allowed to contribute and help improve its quality. Sure. We can do that with 3rd party repositories, but not with ISOs. As I mentioned in my example, I don't see why high-quality packages from 3rd party repositories should be kept off the ISOs. Is Debian offering installation support ? They're not. They most certainly are. Look at: http://www.debian.org/support If you are refering to commercial support, look at http://www.debian.org/consultants , which lists consultants in over 50 countries. As you can see, the procedures in place around Debian allow these consultants to offer commercial support around it, even though they control Debian, as a whole, much less than Novell controls SuSE (since they have to go through the regular procedures). [...] In their case, allowing anyone to create packages that are official part of the distribution has most certainly not decreased their overall quality. It's true that the Debian packages are very high quality. But AFAIK that's because they're doing the exact opposite of what you're saying: they have *official maintainers* that are in charge of packages. They are *not* allowing anyone to create packages that make it into the official Debian distribution. It's quite a long and complex process of becoming an entitled official Debian package maintainer, they raise the bar quite high for someone to get there, and that's why they have good packages. They *do* allow anyone to become a package maintainer, as long as a process is followed. You can see more information about it here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html They do allow anyone to become a Debian Developer! Anyone can create packages, by following a process and becoming what you're calling “official maintainers”. Sure, the process is slightly complex and long; they do raise the bar, as you say. But it is an open and documented process that, if followed, allows you to directly participate on the construction of the distribution. It's much better than the “no, you can't do anything to control OpenSUSE in any way” approach. I was looking for something similar in OpenSUSE, which I suspect could also lead to us having packages of the quality that Debian users have come to expect. I suspected nothing like that did exist, so I wanted to get some reactions and see if we could start working on a proposal to allow third-party developers (like me; even though I do work in Novell, I would like my affiliation to OpenSUSE to be on exactly the same terms as that of third-party developers) to directly participate in building OpenSuSE. In my case I would package the Chicken Scheme compiler (along with many extensions) and the Ion window manager. Sure, they are relatively unpopular, but having them part of the
[opensuse] apcupsd package suggestion
Hello, I just checked the INDEX file from RC1 and the apcupsd package there is: apcupsd-3.10.17a-3.x86_64.rpm There's a new one (3.10.18) with lots of USB related fixes. It was released in July 21st. Maybe the release date was too tight to be included on the beta versions. I just would like to know where can I point out this kind of issue? There's a package wishlist on the OpenSuse website but it's mainly to request packages to be added to the main distro. I just would like to request a new package version for the upcoming release :) Thanks, Jorge - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
Hi, On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, James Ogley wrote: It's just a matter of calling createrepo /dir/to/rpms/ to turn them into YUM repos. For 10.0 those would work out of the box with YaST or yum. That'd be one for Eberhard I would think, it is his server after all ;) ISTR this was trialed at one point[1] [1] See http://rubberturnip.org.uk/index.cgi/2005/08/06 first aspect: the yum support within apt4rpm/aptate is discarded currently (needs investigation, current results are not sufficient). To make it fully clear: APT can generate YUM repositories quite easily was a hope only, in fact it is wrong, false, no, not yet, what ever you need to understand nope. second aspect: all my suser-people should try to do as much as possible of the repository generating steps at home in order to assure a just-in-time repository appearence as much as possible. I will surely not get a new server this year like I think I need (quad Opteron with 32 GB RAM, 15 TEuro money at least), so we have to care that the current server(s) will stay able to fulfill their tasks within time. ftp.gwdg.de alone already lacks this requirement these days, so I have delegated the every-4-hours-APT-refresh to a second server. I really can't extend this service further, and in fact it is already too much hassle under professional aspects. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] apcupsd package suggestion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jorge Fábregas wrote: I just checked the INDEX file from RC1 and the apcupsd package there is: apcupsd-3.10.17a-3.x86_64.rpm There's a new one (3.10.18) with lots of USB related fixes. It was released in July 21st. Maybe the release date was too tight to be included on the beta versions. I just would like to know where can I point out this kind of issue? There's a package wishlist on the OpenSuse website but it's mainly to request packages to be added to the main distro. I just would like to request a new package version for the upcoming release :) File a bug in the openSUSE bugzilla, as an enhancement request. 100% sure it won't be included in 10.0, but it should make it into for 10.0. Maybe it will be provided as a YOU update for 10.0, that's up to the SUSE Linux project manager to decide. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDJhIur3NMWliFcXcRAtZbAJ4vLozmEn0WE4iszlRxtTjlpanzjACgteCh HMu19TaTc4nvHRn0BOaDNng= =1UqB -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast Vs Apt
It works now. I deleted rep. and add again. Congratulations! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Monday 12 September 2005 19:42, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: snip I will surely not get a new server this year like I think I need (quad Opteron with 32 GB RAM, 15 TEuro money at least), so we have to care that the current server(s) will stay able to fulfill their tasks within time. ftp.gwdg.de alone already lacks this requirement these days, so I have delegated the every-4-hours-APT-refresh to a second server. I really can't extend this service further, and in fact it is already too much hassle under professional aspects. Cheers -e It's probably none of my business, and you can tell me that without offending me, but how in the world does this amount of infrastructure get /paid/ for in the first place? All the bandwidth? The hardware? Eberhard's Rolls Royce? :-) I've never had even a glimpse of what the various funding mechanism(s) are. What if we had a New server gwdg.de for Eberhard fund-raiser? Tacky? Against the rules? Against the law? Ever tried? I'd really appreciate having this gap in my understanding filled in... - Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 01:56, Carl Hartung wrote: It's probably none of my business, and you can tell me that without offending me, but how in the world does this amount of infrastructure get /paid/ for in the first place? All the bandwidth? The hardware? Eberhard's Rolls Royce? :-) I've never had even a glimpse of what the various funding mechanism(s) are. What if we had a New server gwdg.de for Eberhard fund-raiser? Tacky? Against the rules? Against the law? Ever tried? I'd really appreciate having this gap in my understanding filled in... www.gwdg.de/index_us.html It's not exactly something based in somebody's basement - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Monday 12 September 2005 20:05, Anders Johansson wrote: www.gwdg.de/index_us.html It's not exactly something based in somebody's basement I already understood that, Anders. I envisioned the place being a data center or campus complex like those I've visited in the past: - SLAC, Stanford - LBL, Berkeley - SRI International, Menlo Park - NASA Ames Research Center, Sunnyvale (now decommissioned) - Jet Propulsion Laboratory, San Diego - UCSC Comp. Sci. Dept., Santa Cruz - Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey (huge!) I was just hypothesizing the possibility of a little fund-raiser to land the server Eberhard was wistfully describing... I mean, what if we offered to hang an honorary 1U brass plate over it in name of the highest contributor? With a web cam? :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't read a CD
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:50:04PM +, Youssef CHAHIBI wrote: snip How your /etc/fstab looks like ? The default one (SUSE 10.0rc1), there is the same problem with other distros. And how does the default one look like with you? Please understand that if somebody asks for specific information, it is best to give that specific information. What do you mean with `other distro's`? On the same machine, different machines? Did you try to mount the CDROM by yourself ? Which command you used ? Yes, mount /dev/dvd as usual. OK, try `mount /dev/dvd /mnt` and see if you see someting at /mnt. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Packaging: The real questions
Actually, there were a lot of discussions about packaging these days which covered many aspects of the problem. I am then writing this article to discuss and sum up what we should do. This isn't a question nor an answer, it's a invitation for everybody to build ideas and concretise our wishes. On the first hand, I'd like to discuss the packaging process, architecture, etc... I am still a novice but may be my suggestions would be welcome. - The first issue, as far as I know, is unified technical standards to build rpms. This issue should be adressed to Novell/SUSE, after analysing the technical documetation presented in Novell's website and looking for missing information. A build server should be created. - If they gave a positive reaction, then the next issue would be RPM trees, I suggest the following branches: + official : RPMs approved by the OpenSUSE community, ( could be the current inst-source repository ) + community : Unofficial RPMs, built by volunteers from all over the community, after testing, migration to official must be approved by the community, ( respects patents, open source ) + java : Due to the importance of Java applications, java packages should have their own branch. + extra : free redistributable packages ( non open source ), may contain dummy packages with scripts to download and install commercial packages ( ATI, NVIDIA, firmwares) like YOU. + nonfree : open source packages with licensing problems ( MP3, dvd playback, win 32 codecs ... ) ( In parallel , there should be another devel tree containing the same branches ) At this state, OpenSUSE would be in a better shape. And the commnity would be able to concentrate on more exotic projects ( My ideas : SUSE Live CD creator ; Yast package installation in command line ( install package uninstall package ) with compatibility with many repositories ) ; Klik for SUSE ; Server Edition, Network Firewall Edition, ) The real questions are: Who can do manage this ? How can Novell help us ? ... Please critisize, comment, suggest. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] MPlayer wmv support on x86-64
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 07:01:11PM -0400, Barry Hinrichs wrote: If anyone has been having trouble getting .wmv windows media videos to play with the 64-bit version of mplayer: The only win32codecs rpm I could find puts the codecs in a folder called /usr/lib/win32 .. You need to copy the contents of this folder to a new folder called /usr/lib/win32/lib64 Instead of copying things, why not make a symlink from one directory to the other. That way updates and future things will work as well. `ln -s /usr/lib/win32 /usr/lib/win32/lib64` houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't read a CD
And how does the default one look like with you? Please understand that if somebody asks for specific information, it is best to give that specific information. Excuse me ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda7/xfsdefaults 1 1 /dev/hda6/homexfsdefaults 1 2 /dev/hda1/windows/C vfat users,gid=users,umask=0002, utf8=true 0 0 /dev/hda5swap swap defaults 0 0 proc /procproc defaults 0 0 sysfs/sys sysfs noauto0 0 usbfs/proc/bus/usbusbfs noauto0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/dvd /media/dvd subfs noauto,fs=cdfss,ro,procuid, nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 /dev/dvdram /media/dvdramsubfs noauto,fs=cdfss,ro,procuid, nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppysubfs noauto,fs=floppyfss,procuid ,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ What do you mean with `other distro's`? On the same machine, different machines? On the same machines, Mandriva and previous SUSE versions OK, try `mount /dev/dvd /mnt` and see if you see someting at /mnt. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ su Password: linux:/home/youssef # mount /dev/dvd /mnt/ mount: périphérique de type bloc/dev/dvd est protégé en écriture, on le monte en lecture seulement // Read only bloc device, mounting it in read-only mode // linux:/home/youssef # cd /mnt/ linux:/mnt # ls . .. linux:/mnt # houghi Thank you very much ! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't read a CD
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:50:04PM +, Youssef CHAHIBI wrote: snip How your /etc/fstab looks like ? The default one (SUSE 10.0rc1), there is the same problem with other distros. And how does the default one look like with you? Please understand that if somebody asks for specific information, it is best to give that specific information. What do you mean with `other distro's`? On the same machine, different machines? Did you try to mount the CDROM by yourself ? Which command you used ? Yes, mount /dev/dvd as usual. OK, try `mount /dev/dvd /mnt` and see if you see someting at /mnt. houghi According to K3B, the system used for the CD is CDEVERYWHERE, after googling I found that CdEverywher is a specialist in crossplatform cds ( hybrid cds ). But I didn't find any information about how to read hybrd cds in linux and K3B says it's a one-session disk. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] A last cry before the machinery is
Hi, what the fuck are you (opensuse) doing to me... The next time I will be classified unknown I will make myself unknown here... Cheers -e On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Mail Delivery System wrote: This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]: 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from gwdu05.gwdg.de ([134.76.8.5]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.42) id 1EEz4y-00024X-EK for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:55:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:55:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Eberhard Moenkeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (fwd) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie Hi, what (the fuck, really!!) is going on there? Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:48:31 +0200 From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]: 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from gwdu05.gwdg.de ([134.76.8.5]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.42) id 1EEyyM-vY-4G for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:48:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:48:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Eberhard Moenkeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (fwd) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie Hi, crazy. But let's see if I can post it in the end... Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:30:31 +0200 From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]: 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from gwdu05.gwdg.de ([134.76.8.5]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.42) id 1EEygw-0006Td-1m for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:30:30 +0200 X-Return-path: X-Received: from mailer.gwdg.de ([134.76.10.26]) by mailbox.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EExZE-0005GE-Jc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:18:28 +0200 X-Received: from lists.suse.de ([195.135.221.131] helo=lists.suse.com) by mailer.gwdg.de with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EExZD-0001jm-Sf for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:18:28 +0200 X-Received: (qmail 9922 invoked for bounce); 12 Sep 2005 23:18:27 - Date: 12 Sep 2005 23:18:27 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: failure notice ReSent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:30:13 +0200 (CEST) ReSent-From: Eberhard Moenkeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReSent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReSent-Subject: failure notice ReSent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.2 points, 6.0 required 0.2 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie Hi. This is the qmail-send program at lists.suse.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your
Re: [opensuse] A last cry before the machinery is
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 03:03, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: Hi, what the fuck are you (opensuse) doing to me... The next time I will be classified unknown I will make myself unknown here... You weren't the one classified as 'unknown', it was the recipient, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Either a temporary error, or lists.opensuse.org isn't a valid MX for this list - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] A last cry before the machinery is
Hi Eberhard, The next time I will be classified unknown I will make myself unknown here... Could the problem be this line? [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ezmlm-reject: fatal: List address must be in To: or Cc: (#5.7.0) In fact there is no Cc: at all. Different entries in envelope and mail header? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:16:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Eberhard Moenkeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Christopher P Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [opensuse] opensuse wlan In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ReSent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:18:22 +0200 (CEST) Resent-From: Eberhard Moenkeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-To: opensuse@opensuse.org ReSent-Subject: Re: [opensuse] opensuse wlan ReSent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at Relay2.suse.de Ciao Siegbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Creating new packages for OpenSuSE
Just to clarify what SuSE users are expecting and what makes the main difference between a project for enthusiasts and by entushiasts of Free Software as Debian and a project like OpenSuSE, a project for and by people who wants to collaborate in a Novell/SuSE effort to open their technology to improve it and for enthusiasts of SuSE Linux and not just the Free Software ones (I mean, there is no SuSE GNU/Linux) : On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 08:01 -0500, Alejandro Forero Cuervo wrote: They most certainly are. Look at: http://www.debian.org/support There are a lots of sites like that about SuSE, but, none of them are really support, the kind of commercial support that organization of different kinds used to have with contracts by respected companies with well seasoned technicians backed by vendors who make the techonology. If you are refering to commercial support, look at http://www.debian.org/consultants , which lists consultants in over 50 countries. As you can see, the procedures in place around Debian allow these consultants to offer commercial support around it, even though they control Debian, as a whole, much less than Novell controls SuSE (since they have to go through the regular procedures). I'm really concerned about it : I saw on that link just 3 folks on my country (Peru) and for one of them I know there is no evaluation process, but, I looked in countries around and saw that Argentina got just 8, Venezuela just 2, Colombia got none, etc. At least, in my country, there are 4 companies given support for SuSE and no less than 80 experts in SuSE around the country. However, developers collaboration should be defined, because one of the main objectives of the project is to gain more developers involved with SuSE Linux and from the roadmap http://www.opensuse.org/Roadmap (yes, OpenSuSE has one), we can see that early next year Novell/SuSE will open AutoBuild (which is not the same as buildd). OpenSuSE is not Debian, it shouldn't be Debian (at least for me), but, it can take good practices from Debian and Debian should do the same from others, so, it could take the next step to be as professional as Linux from SuSE is. Regards, -- Walter Cuestas Agramonte InfoSec / Open Source Consultant LPIC-1 CCLE-CCLI BCLA RHCE BNSA MCP, CCNA, IBM CS MCNE, CNS, CNI, CNST, CLS http://wcuestas.blog-city.com Phone : 511-97926168 # ## # # # # # # ##v## ## vvv ## # ## ## ## ### ### +++###++ ++# #++ +++# #+++ +###+ +++ +++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extra Packages....
On Monday 12 September 2005 22:45, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: Man is the glue (me, I guess). I like to assure that we in practice have no real gap. Cheers -e Thanks for the brief synopsis, Eberhard, and for humoring my pent-up curiosity. You do an amazingly difficult job in an amazing fashion, from what I can read, so my idea was that it could be a small way to reciprocate, contribute *and* make your work a tiny bit less stressfull. Thanks again! - Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-optimize] Different about prelink and perload
Hello,friends! openSuSE10 use perload to optimize performance,before that ,some Linux system use perlink.what different about them? Thanks! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-optimize] preload question
Why aren't the files sorted according to the used blocks? Example (/etc/preload.d/Firefox): ... /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/browserconfig.properties ...(disk blocks used 29712..29719) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/components/autoconfig.xpt ...(disk blocks used 5276432..5276439) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/components/necko_ftp.xpt ...(disk blocks used 5278128..5278135) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/defaults.ini ...(disk blocks used 29728..29735) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/plugins/libnullplugin.so ...(disk blocks used 1355784..1355823) ... better(?): ... /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/browserconfig.properties ...(disk blocks used 29712..29719) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/defaults.ini ...(disk blocks used 29728..29735) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/plugins/libnullplugin.so ...(disk blocks used 1355784..1355823) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/components/autoconfig.xpt ...(disk blocks used 5276432..5276439) /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/components/necko_ftp.xpt ...(disk blocks used 5278128..5278135) ... Or not? mfg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-optimize] Removing unnecessary applications
On Friday 02 September 2005 21:56, nordi wrote: I tried this with the following programs that are started by default, but unnecessary on _my_ system: kinternet, sshd, klipper, smpppd, susewatcher. On a freshly booted system, memory usage went down from 87.8 to 82.7 megabytes. This means I can save 5.1MB of RAM. So I think we should have a small tool that asks the user a few questions about his system and disables/uninstalls the programs in question. Regarding klipper, susewatcher, and kinternet. Having them started by default makes it easier to access them for novice users. They see for example the connection icon in their system tray and if they click it can modify their internet connection or get a graph of the transfer speed. If they close the app they get questioned if the app should start automatically next time the user logs in. Now on the other side, if you disable them by default, it's much more difficult for a novice user to access them, if they don't know about the application a priori. Thus from a usability point of view I think the opt-out is here better than the opt-in. Also I don't think it's a good thing to ask the user a lot of questions during installation. I am a big fan of reducing the number of questions during installation as much as possible. Ubuntu gets much praise for their installation because they try hard not to ask questions during installation. I think your tool is more for novice users, right? More knowledable people can choose to not install unneeded stuff at all or disable it with ease. How about an other solution for apps in KDE's kicker (like kinternet, klipper, susewatcher)? If the users doesn't use, i.e. clicks on, the app for some time he gets asked (via passive popup) if the application should be disabled because apparently he doesn't use it? Of course this doesn't help with unneeded daemons. It's probably a very common task to disable all unneeded daemons after installation. Here a small tool which guides the user through the task could be very handy. Another issue regarding daemons. I think it would be a good policy that all daemons which get installed after the initial installation of the system should be disabled by default. Always. Cheers, Andreas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
