Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
houghi wrote: On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: zmd does not store everything, so for every wakeup we have to parse the xml data. This still takes a long time :-( Having a crontab every 20 minutes seems to do the trick Just keep it awake. I do not know what the concequences are and it seems to be an extremely ugly trick, I think. I wonder if anyone has come up with any problems with houghi's workaround? Or any other workaroud? When ZMD has gone asleep: time rug sl Waking up ZMD...Done # | Status | Type | Name| URI --++--+-+--- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD-i386-10.1-0-20060524-035909 | ftp://1... 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://... 3 | Active | YUM | packman | http://... 4 | Active | ZYPP | guru| ftp://f... real13m58.045s user0m1.744s sys 0m0.164s That's 14 minutes, can hardly wait! Then within his time awake: time rug sl # | Status | Type | Name| URI --++--+-+--- 1 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-DVD-i386-10.1-0-20060524-035909 | ftp://1... 2 | Active | ZYPP | SUSE-Linux-10.1-Updates | http://... 3 | Active | YUM | packman | http://... 4 | Active | ZYPP | guru| ftp://f... real0m1.989s user0m1.632s sys 0m0.128s As houghi's solution keeps him awake, it seems like a cure for the time being or what? Vahis -- Sometimes I answer to top posters. Once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug handling
Hi, may I attach a similar (and most probably already asked...) question here? Is there a general rule what to do with publicly accessible reports that are duplicates of already known, not publicly accessible ones. In most cases the not publicly accessible original will remain private. I'm not questioning this policy in general, but are exceptions possible? Like If there are more than whatever publicly accessible duplicates, let's make the original one public as well so people can actually know what's going on. Precisely, in this case it's about the problem of not being able to mount floppies from within GNOME. The error message is Method Mount with signature ssas on interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume doesn't exist. I guess that this is known as #164327. There is a publicly accessible duplicate #175590 and many similar, related but not-quite-duplicate ones: #152078 (same error message, but reported to and fixed in KDE, not GNOME) #159589 (private, duplicate of the above) #164488 (another duplicate, for KDE) #152542 (yet another one, for KDE) #154652 (yet another one, for KDE #155574 (the last one I found, again for KDE) Specifically I'd like to know: - Is it known that this problem is fixed for KDE, but still present in GNOME (the publicly accessible #175590 doesn't say anything about the desktop environment explicitly), - Where is the origin of the problem, in a GNOME library (like it was in kdebase3 for KDE) or in hal/dbus itself, - Is it a problem in a setup script or config file that I can fix myself or does fixing this problem require a recompiled whatever package, - Can I forget about it (aka. don't use floppies) or are there plans to fix this for SL 10.1. Andreas Hanke -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Feedback for test-update
I assume the point of releasing the updates for testing was to get feedback - so here goes.. I haven't done heavy testing - but I've had Zen updater running for a few days - added some repos with rug, zen and YaST etc. I must say that I don't feel much of a difference. Performance wise it still takes a lot of time to parse metadata and update-status on my amd64 3000+ with inst-source, non-oss, kde-update, guru, packman. And it often ends up using about 150-250 megs of swap - I have 1 gig of ram, and normally don't swap at all. But I guess no promises were made in this department. I was under the impression that the unsigned repo warning-issue would be fixed by these updates - but I still get those. But I definitely haven't noticed any new bugs or worsening in any area - so for all I can say the updates are ready to go. I Think some people will be dissapointed though - when they see the updates they're probably going to think all the issues will be fixed. Btw., to finish up on a positive note, I had a look at the changelog for the packages, using the new changelog-feature in YaST - I really love how YaST SW gives me huge amounts of information and control. Also gives insight to the huge amount of work that's being done on the packagemanagement stuff. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug handling
lør, 27,.05.2006 kl. 09.33 +0200, skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip Precisely, in this case it's about the problem of not being able to mount floppies from within GNOME. The error message is Method Mount with signature ssas on interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume doesn't exist. I guess that this is known as #164327. There is a publicly accessible duplicate #175590 and many similar, related but not-quite-duplicate ones: #152078 (same error message, but reported to and fixed in KDE, not GNOME) snip Andreas Hanke I have the same issue... Open a terminal (as user) and type: mount /media/floppy Works like a charm for now. When that is said, I'd also like to know whats going on with that bug. Bjørn Lie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Feedback for test-update
Martin Schlander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I assume the point of releasing the updates for testing was to get feedback - so here goes.. Yes, exactly. I haven't done heavy testing - but I've had Zen updater running for a few days - added some repos with rug, zen and YaST etc. I must say that I don't feel much of a difference. Performance wise it still takes a lot of time to parse metadata and update-status on my amd64 3000+ Performance was not addressed in those. They fixe a couple of bugs. with inst-source, non-oss, kde-update, guru, packman. And it often ends up using about 150-250 megs of swap - I have 1 gig of ram, and normally don't swap at all. But I guess no promises were made in this department. I was under the impression that the unsigned repo warning-issue would be fixed by these updates - but I still get those. There's still one bugreport open. But I definitely haven't noticed any new bugs or worsening in any area - so good. for all I can say the updates are ready to go. I Think some people will be dissapointed though - when they see the updates they're probably going to think all the issues will be fixed. ;-) Btw., to finish up on a positive note, I had a look at the changelog for the packages, using the new changelog-feature in YaST - I really love how YaST SW gives me huge amounts of information and control. Also gives insight to the huge amount of work that's being done on the packagemanagement stuff. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpdOc25PXKeg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:05:18PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: [Server] sleep-interval=1800 Change 1800 to something larger... Is there a maximum? Are there disadvantages if you use an extreme large sleep-interval? e.g. what happens if you do a sleepinterval of 24 hours and then use crontab to do a forced update at a moment where it does not matter, like at 04:00 or whenever you least likely are going to use it. One disadvatages I can imagine on the top of my head are unneeded load on the servers. What if you make the timeout a week, or a month, or indefinite? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Vahis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: houghi wrote: On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: zmd does not store everything, so for every wakeup we have to parse the xml data. This still takes a long time :-( Having a crontab every 20 minutes seems to do the trick Just keep it awake. I do not know what the concequences are and it seems to be an extremely ugly trick, I think. I wonder if anyone has come up with any problems with houghi's workaround? Or any other workaroud? Edit /etc/zmd/zmd.conf and change the sleep-interval: [Server] sleep-interval=1800 Change 1800 to something larger... Andreas But doesn't this only make him go to sleep more seldom? The next time I need him he's asleep again anyway.. I'd need him to be awake, fresh and ready when I need him. Houghi's solution obviously would do that, but as he said, it's processor load and server traffic in vain. I have had refresh on in all my YaST sources in 10.0, so I know it takes a lot of time to refresh, so maybe it's just the same here. When I know I'm going to need zmd, I'll ask him to wake up and go do something else for a while. In case I forget him for a too long time, I think what Andreas says will prevent him from going to sleep again too soon. Vahis -- Sometimes I answer to top posters. Once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Anybody still into SUPER?
Is there still movement with SLICK or SUPER. I don't see any recent progress and as far as I can see no 10.1 version. What I would be looking at is a file list for the 1 CD version and a *.sel file for 10.1 However if nobody is interested in it anymore, I am not going to put time and efford in it. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Why I hate package manager in 10.1 3 hours 30 minutes to check dependentcies.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Em Dom, 2006-05-14 às 13:54 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber escreveu: This makes the upgrade totally not an option. I will stay with 10.0 on the other 30 systems I have control over. I do not have the time to try Since I came from other apt-based systems, I'm very comfortable with Smart Package Manager. I could manage to get two 10.0 laptops, with Guru and Packman packages, upgrading to 10.1 within 5min of Resolving dependencies. It removed about 4 conflicting packages, but I was able to reinstall them after 30m (upgraded from DVD). No worries at all. What is the magic you used? I have tried smart upgrade smart --gui The sources I want to use are /local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/inst-source /local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/non-oss-inst-source ftp://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.1 http://suse.cs.utah.edu/suse/update/10.1 I tried to add them and I get some channel error. Does this also work for older suse OS's? On 10.0 all I get is No interesting upgrades available and it will not allow me to add the above sources. They are what I use for 10.1. Any ideas? Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEeKnFVtBjDid73eYRAqkuAJwLEP/qe3cs59El60mIw1xu1cWYXgCfRVcs 0EvPSoXa+6lE/V8SXpv/VLw= =ikpc -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug 177758
Hi, Why does this executable live in /usr/lib64? This seems to be known as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162302 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162464 I disagree with the resolution in both cases, but maybe it's better to just not touch it any more if it works now and there were problems finding the executables in the past. Especially if this resolution was proposed by the project manager himself. ;) Andreas Hanke -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Why I hate package manager in 10.1 3 hours 30 minutes to check dependentcies.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Em Dom, 2006-05-14 às 13:54 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber escreveu: This makes the upgrade totally not an option. I will stay with 10.0 on the other 30 systems I have control over. I do not have the time to try Since I came from other apt-based systems, I'm very comfortable with Smart Package Manager. I could manage to get two 10.0 laptops, with Guru and Packman packages, upgrading to 10.1 within 5min of Resolving dependencies. It removed about 4 conflicting packages, but I was able to reinstall them after 30m (upgraded from DVD). No worries at all. What is the magic you used? I have tried smart upgrade smart --gui The sources I want to use are /local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/inst-source /local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/non-oss-inst-source ftp://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.1 http://suse.cs.utah.edu/suse/update/10.1 I got the local sources added. I clicked on the update ! in the graphical and it has now been 8 hours and the window will not refresh. I do see the CPU and time growing with ps -ef root 20072 1 86 13:47 ?06:25:16 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/smart --gui So I think it may be updating or getting ready to update the system. Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEeQf0VtBjDid73eYRAp9oAJ4qeq00gY/krezUjl9Spxafg3f7zwCeOhmR Ho0dGFbcj6+qqvK3wn3kedg= =Eapl -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Package management seems highly messed up
On Friday 26 May 2006 09:55, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Things broken for me: - Installation source handling produces obscure errors every time Please use my test packages on ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/ If it still fails, open a bugreport. Works now, sort of. No errors reported and restarting 'installation source' module is now fast. However, Zen-installer for one does not see any changes done :/ - Zen-installer tries to install BOTH i586 and x86-64 packages at the same time and thus fails resolving dependencies. On the package selection list it does not bother to tell which package is for which architecture; all packages are listed 3 times. Please open a bugreport on bugzilla.novell.com and CC me as [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this one. Please add the /var/log/zmd*.log to the bugreport, OK. Now it at least shows the architecture, but manually clicking through the list is rather painful :/ -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't install with official DVD
Hi! Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 00:45 schrieb Peter Flodin: Didn't write to any media. It's VMware, so I'm installing using the ISO directly from my HD. You can still check the md5 hash of the iso file that it matches: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-dvd-iso/MD5SUMS He did that, as he stated in the original mail: I've downloaded the official DVD image. Checked the MD5SUM, and it's ok. Sven - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can't install with official DVD
Sven Burmeister wrote: Hi! Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 00:45 schrieb Peter Flodin: Didn't write to any media. It's VMware, so I'm installing using the ISO directly from my HD. so may be a vmware bug is this the beta version? anyway I didn't find any way to report bugs to vmware :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] common images
I see a new page (good idea): http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Infrastructure and, on this page: files.opensuse.org does this mean we will have a common image repository for the wiki? it would much ease the translations... thanks for this page jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Package management seems highly messed up
Janne Karhunen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 26 May 2006 09:55, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Things broken for me: - Installation source handling produces obscure errors every time Please use my test packages on ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/ If it still fails, open a bugreport. Works now, sort of. No errors reported and restarting 'installation source' module is now fast. However, Zen-installer for one does not see any changes done :/ There's an open bugreport for this, I'd like to see this solved before I make the fixes official. - Zen-installer tries to install BOTH i586 and x86-64 packages at the same time and thus fails resolving dependencies. On the package selection list it does not bother to tell which package is for which architecture; all packages are listed 3 times. Please open a bugreport on bugzilla.novell.com and CC me as [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this one. Please add the /var/log/zmd*.log to the bugreport, OK. Now it at least shows the architecture, but manually clicking through the list is rather painful :/ Which bugreport is this? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpS23RYuW0nC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] SUSE 10.1 reviewed in Japanese Magazine
houghi A UPS is a must if you have regurlar powerfailures. See that you can get one that has Linux support. That way even if you are not home and there is a powerfailure, it does a neat closedown (and restart) of your system. Thanks for your information! It's going for a severe season against hardware, power and heat... -- noniko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs: http://jroller.com/page/Noniko (Broken English) http://www.myblog.de/noniko (Schlechtes Deutsch) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
About this list being about the community... I did not ask help in regards of the package management (though I need it). I was pointing out that the OpenSUSE community can not hide behind linux is about choices mantra. SUSE needs to clear out the package management mess. And the way to do that is pick one - and make it work - and make that the default that is in YaST. HG On 5/26/06, Martin Schlander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fredag 26 maj 2006 11:28 skrev HG: Yes,there are many people that know other mechanisms could be used - but many dare not even try. Why? Because nobody knows if it will break the distribution or not. (Yes, I'm one of these...) It is totally unclear what happens if one uses apt-get to update SUSE. Does the YaST package management work correctly after that? Do the security updates work anymore? Unless I'm mistaken Apt is not included on 10.1 - but Smart is - or Yum. You can use these other rpm-frontends - and it won't cause problems with yast/zen/rug. Of course if you install unsupported packages with Smart it will affect security updates - but that's it. Now that the security updates are fed via a normal repo you can also install the official security updates with Smart for example. And please keep in mind this list is for community discussions. Technical questions about released versions belong on suse-linux-e@suse.com Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HG. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 08:00:17AM -0700, HG wrote: About this list being about the community... I did not ask help in regards of the package management (though I need it). I was pointing out that the OpenSUSE community can not hide behind linux is about choices mantra. SUSE needs to clear out the package management mess. And the way to do that is pick one - and make it work - and make that the default that is in YaST. 1) Please do not toppost 2) People are working on a solution -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 HG wrote: On 5/26/06, Martin Schlander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fredag 26 maj 2006 11:28 skrev HG: Yes,there are many people that know other mechanisms could be used - but many dare not even try. Why? Because nobody knows if it will break the distribution or not. (Yes, I'm one of these...) It is totally unclear what happens if one uses apt-get to update SUSE. Does the YaST package management work correctly after that? Do the security updates work anymore? Unless I'm mistaken Apt is not included on 10.1 - but Smart is - or Yum. You can use these other rpm-frontends - and it won't cause problems with yast/zen/rug. Of course if you install unsupported packages with Smart it will affect security updates - but that's it. Now that the security updates are fed via a normal repo you can also install the official security updates with Smart for example. And please keep in mind this list is for community discussions. Technical questions about released versions belong on suse-linux-e@suse.com About this list being about the community... I did not ask help in regards of the package management (though I need it). I was pointing out that the OpenSUSE community can not hide behind linux is about choices mantra. SUSE needs to clear out the package management mess. And the way to do that is pick one - and make it work - and make that the default that is in YaST. (no top-postings please) Just to make a few things clear: 1) No one is hiding behind Linux is about choices, I wonder what in Martin's reply makes you feel like we would. 2) The problems with the YaST2/zypp/ZMD package management in 10.1 is now very clear to everyone and it's being worked on, actively. Note that we are fully aware of those issues, it's a very uncomfortable situation to say the least, but we've been able to get a few things rolling and, as said, it's being tackled by the SUSE team and we, community, help as much as we can with testing, filing bug reports, giving feedback, etc... Hopefully it will be solved soon, but it will take some development work. 3) Until the major issues are solved, there are a few alternatives to YaST2/zypp/ZMD you can use on SUSE Linux 10.1 (and older versions). If you want something that works well, now, use those. Martin gave a few of the options. Let me summarize again (and note that all of those are included with SL 10.1, either on the media or on the FTP tree): - - yum: I wouldn't recommend using yum, it's not the most stable and (dare I say) apt package manager at the moment (I really wonder how the Fedora users can live with it) - - apt-rpm: while some people report bad experiences with it (corrupt RPM database), I personally never had issues with it (but I've been using smart since some time now) and it seems that it's being actively maintained and developed again, and even supports RPM-MD (yum) repositories in its latest versions (though that's not the one shipped on the 10.1 FTP tree) - - y2pmsh: that tool is developed by the SUSE team and has been shipped with SUSE Linux since 9.1: it's a CLI/shell front-end to the YaST2 Package Management engine. The interesting thing here, is that it has not been ported to zypp/ZMD, which means that it is still using the old YaST2 package management engine, and it works well. - - smart: last but not least, what seems to be the current rising star of package management. It's a 99% Python application (99% because it depends on rpm-python) that has a CLI, shell and GUI frontend (similar to aptitude) that most certainly has the best resolver engine and is particularly smart (eh) at solving upgrades, dependencies, downgrades, etc... Personally, I would recommend smart, as it is being used by a lot of SUSE users now, who are very happy with it. For more information about smart: http://smartpm.org/ http://spinink.net/2006/05/20/installing-smart-package-manager/ And you might consider using my smart RPMs that come preinstalled with all the channels and mirrors you'd need: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=System/smart/ So, to summarize, I'd say go with smart or y2pmsh (though I personally have nothing against apt-rpm - Richard is a big fan of it, maybe you'd like to make a case for it ;)). Now, all of those are actually package management frontends, because they all rely on rpm or librpm to do the real low-level work, none of them is bypassing it. That means you can use any of them or even mix them (install something with y2pmsh, then upgrade it with smart, etc...). All of that being said, the community and the SUSE team is not hiding behind those alternatives. The problems with YaST2/zypp/ZMD in 10.1 have been identified, been made clear to everyone and we're working on it. Of course, SUSE Linux must have a default package manager (YaST2) that works flawlessly. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
3) Until the major issues are solved, there are a few alternatives to YaST2/zypp/ZMD you can use on SUSE Linux 10.1 (and older versions). If you want something that works well, now, use those. Martin gave a few of the options. Let me summarize again (and note that all of those are included with SL 10.1, either on the media or on the FTP tree): Its more or less sumarized here http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Management
[opensuse] Tried XGL - How to turn it off now?
Dear list! After disabeling XGL in GNOME (with the XGL-Button in Control-Center) my Windows don't have titels nor borders, Alt+Tab isn't working, also everything which was animated within XGL before. How to get it back (at least until I bought the hardware needed - Athlon 900MHz 256 Megs Ram and Geforce2 isn't sufficent I can say)?? Thanks, Johannes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1
Hi, On Sat, 27 May 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - apt-rpm: while some people report bad experiences with it (corrupt RPM database), I personally never had issues with it (but I've been using smart since some time now) and it seems that it's being actively maintained and developed again, and even supports RPM-MD (yum) repositories in its latest versions (though that's not the one shipped on the 10.1 FTP tree) OK, but then it should be made very clear that this one (apt) is not the one whose resolver engine was designed to work with the repositories provided for SUSE Linux. Especially, it should be made very clear that it is not biarch safe, which YaST/zypp is (or at least, should be). There is a bug 176739 and I blame using non-YaST/zypp package managers for it. You better should blame the non-matching package release numbers for glibc-devel (i686 has a higher number). Some examples of people experiencing this problem (two of them in German, unfortunately): http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=37096 http://www.linux-club.de/ftopic60412.html http://www.linux-club.de/ftopic61119.html This is not some examples - this is all you have. Your mouth is bigger than your head. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Meindl wrote: Druid schrieb: ... Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD. Can anybody give me a hint if it is possible? smart config set remove-packages=False or smart -oremove-packages=False install ... See http://labix.org/smart/config-options cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEeIVer3NMWliFcXcRAriTAJ42W64X3dRP1vqCtiUT8Uz5uc9AfwCfXEMW jDGkXmf7JOSrmZWbpvsg8RA= =zAH/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 17:37, schreef Pascal Bleser: apt-rpm - Richard is a big fan of it, maybe you'd like to make a case for it ;)). :) Pascal, what do you mean with you'd like to make a case for it? What case? Do you refer to me or to the some of the previous posters? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 18:58, schreef Thomas Meindl: Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers store the downloaded packages locally? apt can do this ;) E.g. you build your own package that is of course stored locally. Install the package with 'apt install rpm name'. Apt will install the app and when it requires other pkgs they'll be retrieved from the repository. Another nice is to install based on file name, like: apt install /usr/bin/smart apt will investigate which package provides /usr/bin/smart and will install that one :0 -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 06:58:09PM +0200, Thomas Meindl wrote: Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD. Can anybody give me a hint if it is possible? This would also be nice not only for updates, but RPM's in general. e.g. I can download MPlayer and all that is needed into /usr/src/packages/RPMS/* and can use that as a base for other machines (or whatever) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 07:05:05PM +0200, Richard Bos wrote: Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 17:37, schreef Pascal Bleser: apt-rpm - Richard is a big fan of it, maybe you'd like to make a case for it ;)). :) Pascal, what do you mean with you'd like to make a case for it? What case? Do you refer to me or to the some of the previous posters? Naturaly he was talking to/about you. Who else would make a case for apt Ducks. ;-) -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, - apt-rpm: while some people report bad experiences with it (corrupt RPM database), I personally never had issues with it (but I've been using smart since some time now) and it seems that it's being actively maintained and developed again, and even supports RPM-MD (yum) repositories in its latest versions (though that's not the one shipped on the 10.1 FTP tree) OK, but then it should be made very clear that this one (apt) is not the one whose resolver engine was designed to work with the repositories provided for SUSE Linux. Especially, it should be made very clear that it is not biarch safe, which YaST/zypp is (or at least, should be). Yes, apt-rpm not supporting biarch is an issue, forgot about that one. smart is fully biarch-capable, and so is yum AFAIK. What do you mean with is not the one whose resolver engine was designed to work with the repositories provided for SUSE Linux ? That there are no apt-rpm repositories for SUSE Linux, except those built my Eberhard on gwdg.de ? There is a bug 176739 and I blame using non-YaST/zypp package managers for it. That's nonsense, at least with a non-zypp package manager that supports biarch, like smart. Smart is lightyears ahead of zypp/rug/whatever as far as its resolver engine is concerned. Some examples of people experiencing this problem (two of them in German, unfortunately): http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=37096 http://www.linux-club.de/ftopic60412.html http://www.linux-club.de/ftopic61119.html IMHO improving YaST/zypp should be the priority now, not migrating people away from it to alternative package managers (which have different problems that will most probably not be fixed with the same priority by SUSE engineers). Sure, but... that's ridiculous: zypp *does not work properly*. So alternatives are needed, now, until zypp is fixed. The zypp issues are causing havoc amongst the SUSE Linux userbase at the moment, so we better be happy that there are properly working alternatives, or the situation would be even worse. It's not migrating people away, it's giving people a package management frontend that actually works. Of course, no piece of software is perfect, and even smart has some issues, but from the feedback I get and see, everyone is really happy with it. Smart's bugs and shortcomings are being fixed as well, of course not by the SUSE engineers (although cthiel submitted an enhancement to smart a few months ago ;D), but by the smart project maintainers. So, what's best ? zypp that works 20%, or smart that works 99% ? That being said, again, as I wrote very clearly in my previous mail, improving zypp is the top priority now, I think everyone totally agrees on this. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEeIgNr3NMWliFcXcRAt2BAJ9vHdlOfuVn9xTLGOCZ3Srw3SGXBwCfZYu9 W/l0xZYq2Q78rRsD3PLHauo= =2n0o -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
Thomas Meindl wrote: Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD. Can anybody give me a hint if it is possible? Kind regards use wget instead :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pascal Bleser wrote: Thomas Meindl wrote: Druid schrieb: ... Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers store the downloaded packages locally? E.g. Yast Online Update was able to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD. Can anybody give me a hint if it is possible? smart config set remove-packages=False or smart -oremove-packages=False install ... Sorry, it's smart -o remove-packages=false install/upgrade ... See the FAQ: http://labix.org/smart/faq#head-a58d1f3021d9c21845a7b23b4b5e6a514060f64d cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEeInIr3NMWliFcXcRAq/zAKCu165fPTniUWmZ5GYCO+e7iIfUtgCdE3ui fAlTmdPn9/LspJIMoEs7NaI= =r/FI -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:07, schreef houghi: E.g. Yast Online Update was able to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD. Can anybody give me a hint if it is possible? This would also be nice not only for updates, but RPM's in general. e.g. I can download MPlayer and all that is needed into /usr/src/packages/RPMS/* and can use that as a base for other machines (or whatever) I guess all pkg mgr will store their downloaded rpms. APT does this in /var/cache/apt/archives, yast and samrt will do this somewhere else. Those archives can be used for other machines as well. In my case /var/cache/apt/archives is nfs mounted to different machines and as such the cache is shared among different machine automatically. It would be nice if all pkg managers would use the same cache. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:10, schreef houghi: Naturaly he was talking to/about you. Who else would make a case for apt What case? People that know apt use it happily. People that don't know apt are advised by suse (and it's community) to use smart for the moment. When zypp/rug or working normally people will use that. That's fine with me (case closed). I think that apt should just be part of the suse distribution, like it is in 10.1 (not on CD, but on the ftp server). This is the best case. Case closed ;) -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
On Saturday 27 May 2006 13:25, Richard Bos wrote: What case? People that know apt use it happily. People that don't know apt are advised by suse (and it's community) to use smart for the moment. When zypp/rug or working normally people will use that. That's fine with me (case closed). I think that apt should just be part of the suse distribution, like it is in 10.1 (not on CD, but on the ftp server). This is the best case. Case closed ;) FWIW, it was apt-get that allowed me to quickly and painlessly install the twelve dependencies needed by the beta updating system packages. ;-) Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Tried XGL - How to turn it off now?
Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 18:50, schreef Johannes Nohl: Dear list! After disabeling XGL in GNOME (with the XGL-Button in Control-Center) my Windows don't have titels nor borders, Alt+Tab isn't working, also everything which was animated within XGL before. How to get it back (at least until I bought the hardware needed - Athlon 900MHz 256 Megs Ram and Geforce2 isn't sufficent I can say)?? 733Mhz, 256mb and Geforce2 is sufficient here...but with KDE..It is running very smooth but I removed the packages cause the shutdown dialog of KDE disappears (and some other dialogs also do not show up sometimes). There is allready a newer version of compiz but that one is tuned that the windows are very wobly and don't have time to change the settings. But youre hardware should be sufficient Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
On Saturday 27 May 2006 18:25, Richard Bos wrote: Op zaterdag 27 mei 2006 19:10, schreef houghi: Naturaly he was talking to/about you. Who else would make a case for apt What case? People that know apt use it happily. People that don't know apt are advised by suse (and it's community) to use smart for the moment. When zypp/rug or working normally people will use that. That's fine with me (case closed). I think that apt should just be part of the suse distribution, like it is in 10.1 (not on CD, but on the ftp server). This is the best case. Case closed ;) I'm not convinced that that's just the case. I'd quite happily say that I'm a pretty experienced APT user, but these days I only use smart; there's more to the smart/apt distinction. Some have already raised the quick pros/cons of the different package management systems, but perhaps a few more words could be said. Apt on suse is not nearly as pacey as it is on debian/ubuntu. I have no idea as to the root of the actual problem of this issue -- whether it's extra configurations that optimise perfomance on debian/ubuntu, or an issue with apt-rpm itself -- but it's certainly an issue, and it is kind of obvious. Needless to say, this issue does not bother me at all, and certainly wouldn't stop me using it on suse. Apt is not BiArch, and it's for this particular reason that Shuttleworth has mentioned its possible inclusion in Ubuntu 6.10 (as it's set to be). This is definitely an issue for me, an AMD64 user, on SUSE. Smart has a lot more nice things that apt simply lacks. It can use Yast repositories, it can use Yum repositories, and very nicely for me -- it can make multiple connections at once and can appropriately handle mirror-sources/repositories. This is something that Apt can't really do. This is hugely useful as download speeds are dramatically increased. Though, I also like smart's --shell interface. Don't get me wrong, APT has a few advantages too, I've used apt quite a bit and have come to know and got too used to its strengths. For me the only thing I really miss now though is build-dep, which is incredibly useful for those who venture into compiling. Smart has nothing like this, and really I doubt there are current plans to introduce this. As to using APT on suse, I see people every other day saying don't use apt, it'll muck up your system. I used it quite a bit, and I only ever recall having to do rpm --rebuilddb once while using apt, and to be frank I'm not convinced that apt was to blame for the error. So I'm not really put off using it. I think smart can still improve (and indeed it looks incredibly promising), and apt isn't a bad tool at all -- I could still use it all the time if I *had* to, but as SUSE is now, I'd really rather use smart and recommend others to, too. Regards, Francis Giannaros. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1
Hi,
Yes, apt-rpm not supporting biarch is an issue, forgot about that one.
smart is fully biarch-capable, and so is yum AFAIK.
What do you mean with is not the one whose resolver engine was designed
to work with the repositories provided for SUSE Linux ?
I mean the same here in both cases: apt's resolver seems to always prefer
%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE} and does not take %{ARCH} into consideration at all. This
is a problem because it differs from zypp's behaviour, which prefers
%{VERSION}-%{RELEASE} during system upgrades only and %{ARCH} otherwise.
Currently only the glibc packages with their strange release numbers are
triggering this problem, but I really wonder what will happen if the first
architecture-specific (e.g., x86-only) updates arrive.
Just to make it clear, the situation has changed in this respect with SL 10.1.
Until 10.0 the repos were not really biarch, but now they are. And it's not a
personal attack against anyone, technical answers like yours are highly
preferred.
That's nonsense, at least with a non-zypp package manager that supports
biarch, like smart.
Yes, this is correct and was never questioned.
It's not migrating people away, it's giving people a package
management frontend that actually works.
There is no disagreement here, I'm happily using smart myself. I'd just like to
point out that zypp is the one SUSE engineers have under their control, so this
is the one they can actually fix, and there might be subtle behaviour
differences with alternative package managers.
People should be prepared for such cases, and it would be a pity if problems
caused by differently behaving package managers strengthen the feeling that
package management doesn't work in SL 10.1.
Andreas Hanke
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Re: [opensuse] common images
On 2006-05-27 14:35:23 +0200, jdd wrote: files.opensuse.org does this mean we will have a common image repository for the wiki? it would much ease the translations... no. but we will reenable linking remote images in the next updates. that means you can use images from the english wiki on the translated wikis. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] packagemanagement in 10.1
Hi, Maybe I missed a point till now, but can any of these package managers store the downloaded packages locally? You can use smart to get this effect. E.g. Yast Online Update was able to do this till SUSE 10.0 and it was easy to create a personalized patch CD. It would save bandwidth an time (and lots of my nerves) if it was possible to store the packages and repository data on my HD. YOU in SL 10.1 has the same option in the UI, too (there is a checkbox remove patches which is unchecked by default), but it's a stub (i.e., it is not effective). A bug IMHO (the option should not be shown if it's not effective), no idea if that's already known. It is, most probably. Can anybody give me a hint if it is possible? You can use smart, but it does not save packages by default. You have to enable it explicitly: smart config --set remove-packages=false More info: http://labix.org/smart/faq http://labix.org/smart/config-options Please note that this will cause smart to store all packages locally, even those that you might already have on your physical media. Andreas Hanke -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] common images
Marcus Rueckert wrote: On 2006-05-27 14:35:23 +0200, jdd wrote: files.opensuse.org does this mean we will have a common image repository for the wiki? it would much ease the translations... no. but we will reenable linking remote images in the next updates. that means you can use images from the english wiki on the translated wikis. darix good, thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: packagemanagement in 10.1
1) Houghi, I do not top post if I can help it - I'm answering this with mobile gmail, which down not give me any choice ... it seems that I'm not quoting anything, but if everything is quoted, I can not help it - I'm sorry for that! 2) Glad to hear (and I suspected so... still I think my point was valid) HG On 5/27/06, houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 08:00:17AM -0700, HG wrote: About this list being about the community... I did not ask help in regards of the package management (though I need it). I was pointing out that the OpenSUSE community can not hide behind linux is about choices mantra. SUSE needs to clear out the package management mess. And the way to do that is pick one - and make it work - and make that the default that is in YaST. 1) Please do not toppost 2) People are working on a solution -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HG. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] Commit translation (Vietnamese)
Hi,Thinh :) This may be more near to you http://iatp.vspu.ac.ru/phan/images/logo.png (My name in Japanese Kanji). Yes, I understood. Your family name has good Kanji. It means prosperity. I wish your prosperity in Vietnamese translation. And please take care not to catch cold in Russia. I have once been there long time ago, in the days of Perestroika. -- noniko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs: http://jroller.com/page/Noniko (Broken English) http://www.myblog.de/noniko (Schlechtes Deutsch) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] Commit translation (Vietnamese)
Hi, Noniko On 5/27/06, noniko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,Thinh :) This may be more near to you http://iatp.vspu.ac.ru/phan/images/logo.png (My name in Japanese Kanji). Yes, I understood. Your family name has good Kanji. It means prosperity. I wish your prosperity in Vietnamese translation. And please take care not to catch cold in Russia. I have once been there long time ago, in the days of Perestroika. Everybody says that my name is very nice. Thank my father. Yes, in the winter it's very cold here. But now summer is coming, and now it's warm. And I'm going home next year... (happy). Russia is now different from that time (Perestroika). BTW, my work meets minimal requirement. Please see my other email. P.S. dont know if this dialog is annoying someone? Our mailling list is so low-traffic :). -- noniko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs: http://jroller.com/page/Noniko (Broken English) http://www.myblog.de/noniko (Schlechtes Deutsch) -- С уважением Phan Vĩnh Thịnh teppi82 tại gmail chấm com http://teppi82.googlepages.com Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-wiki] Help writing help
Hello there, my first post post here... I was sent to this list from the OpenSUSE list... I'm trying to write some documentation about remote access to SUSE. Unfortunately, I'm down with a real bad flu... I've notcied that both jdd and PFLodo have made changes to it. Thx. To my question: I've finished (for now) the intro, Now I need to right diferent Chapters on how to setup different pieces of software I've been blabing about... I would like to make the chapters seperate documents, each along the lines Tell then what your are going to tell, tel them, and then tell what you just told then. my problems are: 1) the documents look like shit. 2) I need to use tables to organize the options. 3) I'll want lots and lots of screen shots for the newbies... And I don't know how to fix any of these... Additionally, I find it hard working on the wiki documantation. Any tips appreceated. Jerry P.S. How do I get something like this into wiki? http://home.intergga.ch/Westrick/Using_SSH_tunnels_from_M$_Windows.pdf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] Help writing help
On 5/28/06, Jerry Westrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there, my first post post here... I was sent to this list from the OpenSUSE list... I'm trying to write some documentation about remote access to SUSE. Unfortunately, I'm down with a real bad flu... Yes, but this sounds like a reason TO work on the wiki, otherwise you should go out an enjoy the real world :-) my problems are: 1) the documents look like shit. 2) I need to use tables to organize the options. Wiki tables are a litte tricky, but simple tables are relatively simple. You can also use HTML tables, which means if you have a way to convert your original text to HTML, it makes it easier. 3) I'll want lots and lots of screen shots for the newbies... Simple but does require a bit of work. You need to upload each image that you want to use. And then insert them using a tag like [[Image:filename.png]] where filename.png is your image filename. See this (on-topic) page for an example: http://en.opensuse.org/Terminal_Services_Client Additionally, I find it hard working on the wiki documantation. You will soon have forgotten the luxury of WYSIWYG :-) and practice makes perfect. Any tips appreceated. 1. Have a look at www.Wikipedia.org you can look at the source of any page to learn how they created particular document features. 2. Specifically read this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page it is the best single page on how to edit in a wiki. 3. When moving from a document to a wiki, remember that you are now part of something larger. And also try to break up large pages into logical pages. eg: SSH Tunnels should be explained on it's own page so that a wide variety of pages (including from other authors) can refer to it (ie on a page on how to use SSH from Windows it should not explain what SSH tunnels are, but just link to the SSH Tunnel page). Jerry P.S. How do I get something like this into wiki? http://home.intergga.ch/Westrick/Using_SSH_tunnels_from_M$_Windows.pdf I did one page from the pdf : http://en.opensuse.org/SSH_Tunnels_from_Microsoft_Windows Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin
