date:20061103

On Friday 03 November 2006 10:45, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> A "wait and see" attitude is definitely called for instead of "headless
> chicken" mode.

You're forgetting the natural reaction of people. After every announcement, 
people (frequently the same people in every announcement) say they've been 
using suse for 250 years, but now they are leaving for Ubuntu/Fedora/whatever

This announcement doesn't sound like we'll start selling windows, it means 
Microsoft will start selling SUSE. To me, on first reaction, that sounds like 
a good thing. Surprising as hell, but good

But time will tell
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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Clayton


A "wait and see" attitude is definitely called for instead of "headless
chicken" mode.


Ha ha.. come on... headless chicken mode is so much more entertaining
to watch though :-)

I love how everyone suddenly becomes an expert, and provides "facts"
they pluck out of thin air.  They don't watch the webcast... they
don't know the details.. yet they run around waving their tinfoil hats
at everyone proclaiming doom.


C.
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Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

2006-11-03 Thread David Canar

Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
>>> Reply on 03-11-2006 9:31:52 <<<> So far I think it is VERY 
beneficial for Linux,

> 1. Microsoft is giving away 70.000 SUSE Linux Enterprise coupons
> 2. Microsoft is backing up (legally speaking) the MONO, Samba and Open
> Office projects and any Open Source programmer or company that works on
>
> OpenSuse.org projects.
> 3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they
> support SUSE Linux!
> 4. They are jointly developing Open Source Virtualization software
>
> Could it be better?
>
I'm not sure Microsoft's intention is to have something good for 
openSUSE or not. Ok: they say to support this one.

On the other hand, I think this is a VERY dangerous step for Novell! 
Not only do they have openSUSE! They have a LOT more that could be 
interesting for Microsoft!

Technically spoken:
- Microsoft tried to build a solid Directory Structur (Active 
Directory) which unfortunately is everything else than scalable.
=> Novell HAS a Directory Structure (called eDirectory) that will be 
VERY interesting! And the best: It already runs on Windows! So MS 
might just rip it off and include it in Windows => no more sales of 
eDir (BAD)

- Microsoft is still trying to do something good for Identity Management

=> Microsoft HAS IDM. The same applies as above.

Sure, openSUSE can profit from the 'right' to implement Mono, Samba 
AND MAYBE WE EVEN CAN START A DIRECTX Project! THAT would be GREAT.

They already started developing XNA which is the new game developing 
framework for Xbox 360 and Windows and replaces Managed DirectX

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA
http://www.taoframework.com/Mono.Xna
BUT all of this might be of very short fun, if Novell did a mistake by 
this agreement. For the moment, when watching the share market, it 
seems to be good: an increase of almost 16% on the NOVL shares in the 
last 24 hours. Let's hope this keeps up.

I wish the best for Novell! It would be a pity to loose this company 
to MS.

I Agree, but if Novell is smart enough it could take advantage of this 
opportunity and play it right. It could be very beneficial for the Linux 
operating system. Not everything from Microsoft is evil! (some won't 
agree with this) this could be the chance for Linux developers to 
implement everything which is "good" from Microsoft  to the Linux OS 
without the legal hassle (have you seen WPF and .NET framework 3.0? it's 
very nice or  XNA as examples, Microsoft invested millions developing 
these technologies). We (linux users and developers) could be the 
winners in this equation.

David.

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Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

2006-11-03 Thread Marcel Hilzinger

Am Freitag, 3. November 2006 11:26 schrieb David Canar:
> Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> > >>> Reply on 03-11-2006 9:31:52 <<<> So far I think it is VERY
> >
> > beneficial for Linux,
> >
> > > 1. Microsoft is giving away 70.000 SUSE Linux Enterprise coupons
> > > 2. Microsoft is backing up (legally speaking) the MONO, Samba and Open
> > > Office projects and any Open Source programmer or company that works on
> > >
> > > OpenSuse.org projects.
> > > 3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they
> > > support SUSE Linux!
> > > 4. They are jointly developing Open Source Virtualization software
> > >
> > > Could it be better?

I guess most of us agree, that this news seem to be good for Novell and for 
Suse Linux en generale. 

The question is: how about the others? 
- Will this agreement make the gap between Suse and the rest of linux 
developers bigger? If there was no such gap, will there be one?

- Will the communtiy really profit from all advatages, Novell gets trough this 
partnership, or is it just Suse Linux Enterprise?

- Will Open Document have a chance, if Novell is going to push Open XML in 
OpenOffice? (correct me, if I'm wrong with this statement)


Quote: 
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx

"Second, Microsoft will not assert its patents against individual 
noncommercial open source developers. And third, Microsoft is promising not 
to assert its patents against individual contributors to OpenSUSE.org whose 
code is included in the SUSE Linux Enterprise platform, including SUSE Linux 
Enterprise Server and SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop."


- Why are there 2 different points in the patent question? Will there be a 
difference between OpenSUSE and Suse Linux Enterprise? What about 
contributors to OpenSUSE.org whose code is _not_ included in the SUSE Linux 
Enterprise platform? Are they covered by the second statement?


If you could these questions and answers to the faq, it would be nice.
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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett

On Friday 03 November 2006 10:57, Anders Johansson wrote:
> You're forgetting the natural reaction of people. After every announcement,
> people (frequently the same people in every announcement) say they've been
> using suse for 250 years, but now they are leaving for
> Ubuntu/Fedora/whatever
>
> This announcement doesn't sound like we'll start selling windows, it means
> Microsoft will start selling SUSE. To me, on first reaction, that sounds
> like a good thing. Surprising as hell, but good

Yeah, the annoying thing is to see more FUD coming from inside the community 
than from MS itself.

argh.

Duncan
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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

On Friday 03 November 2006 04:08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> I wouldn't call that selling the users down the river. Independent of
> the fate of Novell the deal will stop worries about MS killing the open
> source movement with patents.

Yes, though it's unclear from the press release whether the patent ceasefire 
is in perpetuity, or merely for the duration of the Novell agreement (up to 
2012, IIRC).  I got the impression it was the latter, so there is the 
difficulty that Microsoft could argue in any future legal assault that one of 
the leading distro makers explicitly accepted there were patent issues in 
Linux.  That's not so good.  

In general, though, this is an interesting development.  If it makes Linux 
easier for new people to use as a desktop (because of less issues with 
multimedia), that might be a good thing.  Provided any Microsoft-supplied 
code is kept well-away from core GPL areas (to prevent future difficulties), 
and packaged as some sort of add-on, there should be no ongoing problems - 
after all, development of Linux and free software is not going to stop any 
time soon.

It's also quite a sea-change - who a few years ago would have said that 
Microsoft would even acknowledge Linux as a competitor, never mind "sell" 
services related to it (even through gritted teeth).  This in fact says a lot 
about how the IT landscape is shifting under them, even if Microsoft PR says 
otherwise.  One of the big drivers for this, I think, is virtualisation, 
where Microsoft has been caught on the hop.  They will certainly try to suck 
what they can out of this and spit out the husk, but it's up to Novell to 
ensure openSUSE don't get left with cinders - if they are robust about the 
GPL, that shouldn't be the case.

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RE: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Administrator

>
> In as much as I have criticized the monster known as MS, I
> don't think a lot of you really want to go slit your wrists
> open, tear out your hair, and put on sackcloth just yet.  We
> don't even know the complete financial details of this deal yet.
> And I wonder if the same doom and gloomers are the ones who
> have consistently bitched about interoperability for
> MS-Linux. Guess what guys, you can't have it both ways.
>

I'd say this is convenient on both sides now, and the outcome depends upon
how good the two sides are at managing their relationship and the outcome.

It is convenient for MS is it is starting to get attacked for its abuse of
market position, and so the existence of this exercise (and not any results)
is a defence against further major prosecutions of that type.  Any results
will also have the benefit of allowing MS (and the software vendors who
depend upon an MS platform) back into the growing number of places which
have declared themselves as open-source only.

On the Novell / SuSE side it will make it easier to introduce Linux into
existing IT setups which are mostly MS based.  Getting Linux to interoperate
with the MS infrastructure is a real pain, and this pain is a distraction
from the real job.

We should all applaud if we get to the position where, whatever the
underlying infrastructure, the choice of server / desktop OS is determined
by what is right for the job at hand, not whether you can get the thing to
talk properly to the existing infrastructure.

And yes, MS has shown itself in the past to be much more adept at managing
these situations to benefit itself.  They're just doing what any true
believer in capitalism should do.

David


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SPAM: Re: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1

2006-11-03 Thread Joao Paulo Pires

I visited http://www.babyfirsttv.com/ but I can't found the link of flash files in view source code. Any help?Where can I find 'getvideo url' ?Best regards, Joao.Registado no Linux Counterutilizador #412485, http://counter.li.org---[ mensagem original ]---de: James Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED]data: 31-10-2006 11:16:47 -4para: opensuse@opensuse.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assunto: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1On Monday 30 October 2006 12:00 pm, Joao Paulo Pires wrote: > Hi, > How can I save flash files from web pages? > I have SuSE 10.1 I wrote this script for extracting embedded videos, but it works for any embedded objects such as flash files, soubds, etc. Just run 'getvideo url'. -- James Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Andreas Jaeger

Kevin Donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Friday 03 November 2006 04:08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
>> I wouldn't call that selling the users down the river. Independent of
>> the fate of Novell the deal will stop worries about MS killing the open
>> source movement with patents.
>
> Yes, though it's unclear from the press release whether the patent ceasefire 
> is in perpetuity, or merely for the duration of the Novell agreement (up to 
> 2012, IIRC).  I got the impression it was the latter, so there is the 
> difficulty that Microsoft could argue in any future legal assault that one of 
> the leading distro makers explicitly accepted there were patent issues in 
> Linux.  That's not so good.  

This one is irrevocable - for ever,

Andreas 
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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe


Andreas Jaeger a écrit :


This one is irrevocable - for ever,


and if the GPL account is done in the contract like it's 
said in the Novell announce, this is not only good for 
openSUSE but for any app included in openSUSE, even when 
included in other applications (this is forced by GPL)


jdd

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On Friday 03 November 2006 7:41 am, Joao Paulo Pires wrote:
> I visited http://www.babyfirsttv.com/ but I can't found the link of flash
> files in view source code. Any help? Where can I find "getvideo url" ?
> Best regards, Joao.

http://www.funktronics.ca/getvideo

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Re: [opensuse] SPAM: How to add more VM images to XEN in SUSE ?

On Thursday 02 November 2006 10:59 pm, cifroes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just followed these instructions:
> http://en.opensuse.org/Installing_Xen3
>
> and now I have 1 VM up & running. Is there any fast way to just copy the
> "installation" I'm using as my vm01 and create 2 more VM's? I suppose I
> can run the instructions again, but I think it's possible to do it just
> copying something but I'm kind of lost here...

Assuming you installed to an image file, you can shut down the domain and copy 
the image.

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The Friday 2006-11-03 at 11:27 -0400, James Oakley wrote:

> On Friday 03 November 2006 7:41 am, Joao Paulo Pires wrote:
> > I visited http://www.babyfirsttv.com/ but I can't found the link of flash
> > files in view source code. Any help? Where can I find "getvideo url" ?
> > Best regards, Joao.
> 
> http://www.funktronics.ca/getvideo

Is that a script to save flash streams to a file? I tried it on the Novell 
webcast and it doesn't work.

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The Friday 2006-11-03 at 10:05 +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:

...

> But if the vendor of my door locks starts a dialog with the local 
> housebreaker association, I'll *immediately* replace all my locks, no matter 
> how much they assure that it's only for my safety!

You may find that they do. Not the lock vendor, but the maker: they use 
experts to learn how breakable are their locks.

:-P

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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Daniel Bauer

On Friday 03 November 2006 17:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Friday 2006-11-03 at 10:05 +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > But if the vendor of my door locks starts a dialog with the local
> > housebreaker association, I'll *immediately* replace all my locks, no
> > matter how much they assure that it's only for my safety!
>
> You may find that they do. Not the lock vendor, but the maker: they use
> experts to learn how breakable are their locks.
>
> :-P

ok, you won :-)
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On Friday 03 November 2006 14:26, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > Yes, though it's unclear from the press release whether the patent
> > ceasefire is in perpetuity, or merely for the duration of the Novell
> > agreement (up to 2012, IIRC).  I got the impression it was the latter, so
> > there is the difficulty that Microsoft could argue in any future legal
> > assault that one of the leading distro makers explicitly accepted there
> > were patent issues in Linux.  That's not so good.
>
> This one is irrevocable - for ever,

That is interesting.  It would be a good idea for Novell to put out some 
additional explanatory material in the next few days, addressing the various 
excitable comments that have been made in discussions on this.  

In particular, is Novell suggesting that there is some truth to the suggestion 
that parts of Linux infringe patents, or is it simply accepting that 
Microsoft has rights over its own stuff (eg codecs)?  Most comments on the 
net tend to assume the former, but I would have thought the latter is equally 
plausible.

The only fly I still see in the ointment is the phrase "individual, 
non-commercial developers".  For example, does this mean that a group of 
non-commercial developers, or a single developer who decides to sell a 
service based on the app he's developed, are not covered?

And as Marcel Hilzinger said:
"Why are there 2 different points in the patent question? Will there be a 
difference between OpenSUSE and Suse Linux Enterprise? What about 
contributors to OpenSUSE.org whose code is _not_ included in the SUSE Linux 
Enterprise platform? Are they covered by the second statement?"

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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Roy Schestowitz


___/ On Fri 03 Nov 2006 14:26:15 GMT, [ Andreas Jaeger ] wrote : \___


Kevin Donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


On Friday 03 November 2006 04:08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:

I wouldn't call that selling the users down the river. Independent of
the fate of Novell the deal will stop worries about MS killing the open
source movement with patents.


Yes, though it's unclear from the press release whether the patent ceasefire
is in perpetuity, or merely for the duration of the Novell agreement (up to
2012, IIRC).  I got the impression it was the latter, so there is the
difficulty that Microsoft could argue in any future legal assault   
that one of

the leading distro makers explicitly accepted there were patent issues in
Linux.  That's not so good.


This one is irrevocable - for ever,


Irrevocable or not, the following good essay sheds some light.

ovell-Microsoft: What They Aren't Telling You

,[ Quote ]
| Today Novell and Microsoft announced a partnership in which Microsoft
| has made some unlikely-seeming promises regarding Linux. What aren't
| they telling you? First, you can be sure that Microsoft's not out to
| help a competitor. This announcement paves the way for Microsoft to
| implement significant control over commercial customer's use of Free
| Software. And it has significant negative implications for Open Source
| in general.
|
| There are two significant announcements. First, that Novell and Microsoft
| are entering into a patent cross-license, and second, that Microsoft
| is promising not to assert its patents against individual non-commercial
| developers. The bad part is that this sets Mirosoft up to assert its
| patents against all commercial Open Source users. There are also some
| little bonuses for Microsoft, like Novell will help Microsoft turn back
| the Open Document Format and substitute something Microsoft controls.
|
| [...]
|
| SCO's case is foundering, so here's Microsoft's next scheme to charge a
| royalty to users of Linux, and to make Novell into the next SCO. Groklaw,
| a widely-respected journal of technology law, probably said it best with
| their headline on this story: Novell Sells Out.
|
| This entire agreement hinges around software patenting - monopolies on
| ideas that are burying the software industry in litigation - rather
| than innovation. If we've learned one thing from the rapid rise of
| Open Source, it's that intellectual property protection - the thing
| that Open Source dispenses with - actually impedes innovation. And
| the Novell-Microsoft agremeent stands as an additional impediment.
`

http://technocrat.net/d/2006/11/2/9945

After years of vigorously advocating SuSE, I begin to look elsewhere. Sorry...

Best wishes,

Roy

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2006-11-03 Thread J Sloan

Pascal Bleser wrote:
> Michal Hlavac wrote:

> And the OP is citing an article that states:
> "... technology that makes Linux work on Windows ..."
> How qualified is that ? ;)

I have zero interest in running a captive toy linux session on ms windoze.
Linux runs best on the bare metal, but running "linux" as a program on an ms
windoze peecee gains nothing, but carries costs and risks.

OTOH ms windoze on linux could be interesting for several reasons (running
legacy ms windoze programs, or running certain ms-only programs e.g. vizio, on
 a linux desktop)

Joe

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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Miguel Angel Alvarez

El Viernes, 3 de Noviembre de 2006 18:11, Kevin Donnelly escribió:
> On Friday 03 November 2006 14:26, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > > Yes, though it's unclear from the press release whether the patent
> > > ceasefire is in perpetuity, or merely for the duration of the Novell
> > > agreement (up to 2012, IIRC).  I got the impression it was the latter,
> > > so there is the difficulty that Microsoft could argue in any future
> > > legal assault that one of the leading distro makers explicitly accepted
> > > there were patent issues in Linux.  That's not so good.
> >
> > This one is irrevocable - for ever,
>
> That is interesting.  It would be a good idea for Novell to put out some
> additional explanatory material in the next few days, addressing the
> various excitable comments that have been made in discussions on this.
I'll just quote Groklaw's PJ:

Take a look at  "Microsoft's Patent Pledge for Non-Compensated Developers" and 
read about how it works: 

"To further encourage these efforts, this pledge provides non-compensated 
individual hobbyist developers royalty-free use of Microsoft patents as set 
forth below Microsoft hereby covenants not to assert Microsoft Patents 
against each Non-Compensated Individual Hobbyist Developer (also referred to 
as "You") for Your personal creation of an originally authored work 
("Original Work") and personal use of Your Original Work. This pledge is 
personal to You and does not apply to the use of Your Original Work by others 
or to the distribution of Your Original Work **by You** or others."

So Microsoft is purporting to provide hobbyists "royalty free use of Microsoft 
patents" as if they are understood to be infringed already.

But by my reading, the pledge only holds for you using your own software, not 
if you distribute it. And it doesn't apply to others using the work you may 
contribute to Linux. You personally won't be sued, but if Red Hat uses your 
patch, it could be. That's how it looks to me. But if you kept it to 
yourself, how would MS ever know? (I should also note that in Europe, a 
private hobbyist can never infringe any patent with his own private use of 
anything.) So that side is rather pointless. More to the point, how does this 
help if you open yourself up to legal shenanigans as soon as you share your 
work with anyone? 

> In particular, is Novell suggesting that there is some truth to the
> suggestion that parts of Linux infringe patents, or is it simply accepting
> that Microsoft has rights over its own stuff (eg codecs)?  Most comments on
> the net tend to assume the former, but I would have thought the latter is
> equally plausible.
>
> The only fly I still see in the ointment is the phrase "individual,
> non-commercial developers".  For example, does this mean that a group of
> non-commercial developers, or a single developer who decides to sell a
> service based on the app he's developed, are not covered?
>
> And as Marcel Hilzinger said:
> "Why are there 2 different points in the patent question? Will there be a
> difference between OpenSUSE and Suse Linux Enterprise? What about
> contributors to OpenSUSE.org whose code is _not_ included in the SUSE Linux
> Enterprise platform? Are they covered by the second statement?"

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Re: SPAM: Re: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1

On Friday 03 November 2006 11:49 am, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Friday 2006-11-03 at 11:27 -0400, James Oakley wrote:
> > On Friday 03 November 2006 7:41 am, Joao Paulo Pires wrote:
> > > I visited http://www.babyfirsttv.com/ but I can't found the link of
> > > flash files in view source code. Any help? Where can I find "getvideo
> > > url" ? Best regards, Joao.
> >
> > http://www.funktronics.ca/getvideo
>
> Is that a script to save flash streams to a file? I tried it on the Novell
> webcast and it doesn't work.

What's the URL?

If the src is specified through a javascript function, the script won't be 
able to download it, since it doesn't include a javascript interpreter. :-)

If the video is in a popup and not the url you pass it, you need to use the 
popup url. You can right-click and show the location bar to get it.

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On Friday 03 November 2006 18:11, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
> In particular, is Novell suggesting that there is some truth to the
> suggestion that parts of Linux infringe patents,

No, Novell's position is that there are no infringing parts.

This is just a guarantee that if in future something is found, the customers 
and distributors won't be held accountable

This isn't a patent license, it's a promise not to sue

Disclaimer: I'm not an official spokesman, this is just how I understand 
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J Sloan a écrit :


I have zero interest in running a captive toy linux session on ms windoze.
Linux runs best on the bare metal, but running "linux" as a program on an ms
windoze peecee gains nothing, but carries costs and risks.


there are very big advantages to this.

think at all the schools and formation instaitutes that use 
dayly windows machines and don't mind to install linux on 
then, how can you teach Linux there? the best way is running 
virtual machine on top of windows.


I do so for years, now, but VMware is extremely expensive. 
Xen on Windows should be a very good news, for example...


jdd


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The Friday 2006-11-03 at 14:27 -0400, James Oakley wrote:

> > Is that a script to save flash streams to a file? I tried it on the Novell
> > webcast and it doesn't work.
> 
> What's the URL?

Let me see. The main page is 
. From there, there 
are two links:

  Flash: http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/flash_stream.html
  WMP:   
http://metahost.origindigital.com/microsoft/20061102/ms_announcement_20061102_100.asx

> If the src is specified through a javascript function, the script won't be 
> able to download it, since it doesn't include a javascript interpreter. :-)
> 
> If the video is in a popup and not the url you pass it, you need to use the 
> popup url. You can right-click and show the location bar to get it.

Let me try again. The flash link (novell) opens a flash pop up, that says 
buffering 38% and doesn't ever reach 100%. It is overloaded. Right click 
shows me a "settings" a menu and "about macromedia flash 7". I can not see 
where it is downloading from, only "transferring files from 
files1.novell.com" at the bottom.

The windows media player link works opening xine. This one shows in the 
tittle bar the real link, that I have to copy by hand. Or, I can try 
Realplayer, that doesn't work, but is saves a handy file in 
/tmp/ms_announcement_20061102_100.asx, which I can open with less and see 
the real mms:wmv link. Lets try getvideo with that one:

  IOError: [Errno url error] unknown url type: 'mms'

So... No go. Ideas?

How do I get to know the real link for flash?

[...]

I have forced open the flash in a new firefox window, and in the menu I 
select s"how source". It is indeed javascript, and I see two links; I 
think it should be this one:

 http://files1.novell.com/cached/video/microsoft/mswebcast.flv

I try "getvideo" with that one, seems to be working, the network usage 
goes up, but I don't see any file growing there. 

What am I missing?

The Novell webcast is useless. This morning it run interrupted, 
unintelligible. This evening it doesn't even run. The one from MS runs
fine even at high definition. One round to them.

My idea was to try save it to a file, an so be able to listen it, with 
pauses. Impossible so far.

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[opensuse] emails marked as SPAM

2006-11-03 Thread Thomas Hertweck


Why are so many postings marked as "SPAM" in the subject line? If the
mailing list software (or any SPAM filter process attached to it) thinks
a mail is SPAM, then this email should never reach the list. It does not
make sense to distribute such emails to all list members. On the other
hand, if an email is distributed to all list members the subject line
should not be altered! It makes no sense that the header "X-Spam-Flag:
YES" is set and the subject is changed but the email itself is not
filtered. The current situation is somewhat strange... Any explanations?

Cheers,
Th.


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Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

2006-11-03 Thread Robert Schiele

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:29:49AM +0100, Rasmus Plewe wrote:
> SUSE Linux is so much more mature than iranian nuclear technology...

I think it is quite suspicious that you have such a deep insight to Iranian
nuclear technology.  I should report this to the CIA...  ;-)

Robert

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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Randall R Schulz

On Friday 03 November 2006 11:18, jdd wrote:
> J Sloan a écrit :
> > I have zero interest in running a captive toy linux session on ms
> > windoze. Linux runs best on the bare metal, but running "linux" as
> > a program on an ms windoze peecee gains nothing, but carries costs
> > and risks.
>
> there are very big advantages to this.
>
> think at all the schools and formation instaitutes that use
> dayly windows machines and don't mind to install linux on
> then, how can you teach Linux there? the best way is running
> virtual machine on top of windows.
>
> I do so for years, now, but VMware is extremely expensive.

VMWare server is $free$ (though not libre). The Workstation and other 
VMware products are still very pricey, as they always were, but it's no 
longer necessary to give any money to VMware Inc. to use their 
virtualization technology.

Also, as another reference point, Parallels 
() has virtualization that can be hosted on 
Windows or Mac OS X (for Intel processors only) and can host any Intel 
operating system, including a variety of Linuxes. Parallels is far 
cheaper than the cheapest non-free VMware product. They are not 
directly comparable (from a technological standpoint, Parallels uses 
paravirtualization, as Xen does), but I think the existence of Xen and 
Parallels is putting significant market pressure on VMware, which is a 
good thing. For a long time they (VMware) were the only game in town 
(the obsolescent VirtualPC notwithstanding). Now that's far from true.

> Xen on Windows should be a very good news, for example...

I'd say so, though I still prefer to corral Windows within Linux and Mac 
OS X, as I do with my VMware and Parallels setups.

If I had the cash to throw around, right now I'd explore using a Mac Pro 
(which has two dual-core Xeons and a 1067 MHz FSB) to host all my 
computing. Given at least 4GB of RAM and a hard drive-per-OS, I'd set 
up Mac OS X (possibly the Server variant) and use Parallels to host 
both SuSE Linux and Windows XP Pro. (As it stands, I had just put 
together a new Core 2 Duo box when my employer eliminated my group, so 
with no cash flow, the dollar-intensive experimentation has been 
brought to a rapid, though temporary halt.)

All in all, I rather detest Microsoft, but I also acknowledge that as a 
professional (a software professional, no less) I cannot realistically 
afford to boycot MS entirely. Instead I apply a containment strategy.

> jdd

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Re: [opensuse] emails marked as SPAM

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The Friday 2006-11-03 at 19:23 -, Thomas Hertweck wrote:

> Why are so many postings marked as "SPAM" in the subject line? 

The Bayes database at their spamassassin server gone slighlty bad again.

> If the
> mailing list software (or any SPAM filter process attached to it) thinks
> a mail is SPAM, then this email should never reach the list. It does not
> make sense to distribute such emails to all list members. 

They did it that way time ago, and it was worse: some of us we were left 
without access to the list for weeks. I prefer it this way, at least we 
can still write.

> On the other
> hand, if an email is distributed to all list members the subject line
> should not be altered! It makes no sense that the header "X-Spam-Flag:
> YES" is set and the subject is changed but the email itself is not
> filtered. The current situation is somewhat strange... Any explanations?

Some admins prefer to alter the subject line, because it can be scanned 
visually before downloading the email, for instance. I would prefer it 
removed, though.

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Re: SPAM: Re: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1

2006-11-03 Thread Thomas Hertweck

Joao Paulo Pires wrote:
> I visited http://www.babyfirsttv.com/ but I can't found the link of
> flash files in view source code. Any help?

Use Firefox, install the Add-On called "UnPlug"[1] - this should provide
you the URL of embedded objects which can then be downloaded.

Cheers,
Th.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2254/
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[opensuse] SPAM: Mouse disappearing

2006-11-03 Thread John Meyer

Does anybody else have a problem where the mouse pointer disappears
after the screen goes to sleep?

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Re: [opensuse] SPAM: Mouse disappearing

2006-11-03 Thread John Meyer

John Meyer wrote:
> Does anybody else have a problem where the mouse pointer disappears
> after the screen goes to sleep?
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BTW, here's the hwinfo --mouse


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  Hardware Class: mouse
  Model: "ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse"
  Vendor: int 0x0210 
  Device: int 0x0013 "ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse"
  Device File: /dev/input/mice (/dev/input/mouse0)
  Device Files: /dev/input/mice, /dev/input/mouse0, /dev/input/event2
  Device Number: char 13:63 (char 13:32)
  Driver Info #0:
Buttons: 3
Wheels: 1
XFree86 Protocol: explorerps/2
GPM Protocol: exps2
  Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

On Friday 03 November 2006 17:43, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:
> El Viernes, 3 de Noviembre de 2006 18:11, Kevin Donnelly escribió:
> > That is interesting.  It would be a good idea for Novell to put out some
> > additional explanatory material in the next few days, addressing the
> > various excitable comments that have been made in discussions on this.



> But by my reading, the pledge only holds for you using your own software,
> not if you distribute it. And it doesn't apply to others using the work you
> may contribute to Linux. You personally won't be sued, but if Red Hat uses
> your patch, it could be. That's how it looks to me. But if you kept it to
> yourself, how would MS ever know? (I should also note that in Europe, a
> private hobbyist can never infringe any patent with his own private use of
> anything.) So that side is rather pointless. More to the point, how does
> this help if you open yourself up to legal shenanigans as soon as you share
> your work with anyone?

That's really the same Point I was making in a later paragraph:

> > The only fly I still see in the ointment is the phrase "individual,
> > non-commercial developers".  For example, does this mean that a group of
> > non-commercial developers, or a single developer who decides to sell a
> > service based on the app he's developed, are not covered?

Of course, it doesn't really matter what Microsoft says - the important thing 
is whether they can make it stick.  They may claim a lot of things, but 
whether or not they can actually exert direct influence on how Linux is 
developing (and in the past decade they haven't been able to) comes down to 
whether what they claim would stand up if it ever went as far as a court.  I 
don't see that this agreement necessarily makes that more likely.

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On Friday 03 November 2006 18:35, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Friday 03 November 2006 18:11, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
> > In particular, is Novell suggesting that there is some truth to the
> > suggestion that parts of Linux infringe patents,
>
> No, Novell's position is that there are no infringing parts.
> This is just a guarantee that if in future something is found, the
> customers and distributors won't be held accountable
> This isn't a patent license, it's a promise not to sue

That seems sound enough.  Perhaps it needs developing a bit in some additional 
public statement (assuming that Novell's interpretation is the same).

Another point that needs some more detail is the issue of whether code 
contributed by Novell coders will be "tainted" (or open to an ambush at some 
point in the future) because they or colleagues will have seen Microsoft 
source code.

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The Friday 2006-11-03 at 12:43 -0700, John Meyer wrote:

> Does anybody else have a problem where the mouse pointer disappears
> after the screen goes to sleep?

Time ago I had to foce kill the screensaver, that did not release the 
focus.

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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread J Sloan

jdd wrote:
> J Sloan a écrit :
> 
>> I have zero interest in running a captive toy linux session on ms
>> windoze.
>> Linux runs best on the bare metal, but running "linux" as a program on
>> an ms
>> windoze peecee gains nothing, but carries costs and risks.
> 
> there are very big advantages to this.
> 
> think at all the schools and formation instaitutes that use dayly
> windows machines and don't mind to install linux on then, how can you
> teach Linux there? the best way is running virtual machine on top of
> windows.
> 
> I do so for years, now, but VMware is extremely expensive. Xen on
> Windows should be a very good news, for example...

No, that's bad news - to introduce linux as some sort of dorky toy ms
windoze program is damaging to linux and gives a very bad impression of
it. If a school uses only ms windoze, that is the real problem, and it
can be approached in many ways.

Anything would be better - linux on cheap boxes, dual boot, virtual
windoze or wine on linux desktops - all are better solutions that the
one you advocate.

Joe
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J Sloan a écrit :


No, that's bad news - to introduce linux as some sort of dorky toy ms
windoze program is damaging to linux and gives a very bad impression of
it.


not at all. It shows Linux can work very well with very few 
resources, and this is very good.



Anything would be better - linux on cheap boxes


I'm not allowed to connect any computer of my own on this 
net (and I would never allow such thing on my own net!)


, dual boot

I can't neither do so

, virtual

windoze or wine on linux desktops


so no Linux

 - all are better solutions that the

one you advocate.


sometime you have to deal with situations you don't master. 
I had the ability to use a handfull of VMware licences (I 
know they are now free, but this is recent), but the main OS 
had to cope with proprietary software that could only run 
with Windows, and anyhow, I was just tolerated there :-(


I just could trick the system giving my students access to a 
linux serveur located in an external place I did master.


for many windows users, opening a ssh terminal (putty) and 
working with it is simple magic :-) - but here we go OT


jdd


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[opensuse] Virtualization for the data centre

2006-11-03 Thread Peter Flodin

On 11/4/06, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

J Sloan a écrit :

> I have zero interest in running a captive toy linux session on ms windoze.
> Linux runs best on the bare metal, but running "linux" as a program on an ms
> windoze peecee gains nothing, but carries costs and risks.

there are very big advantages to this.

think at all the schools and formation instaitutes that use
dayly windows machines and don't mind to install linux on
then, how can you teach Linux there? the best way is running
virtual machine on top of windows.

You guys are missing why industry is so excited by Virtualization and
why MS can not allow itself to fall behind.

For big business Virtualization is for the data centre. Say you run an
insurance company, or a bank. Instead of having Applications running
on real machines. You have virtual machines running on server farms of
host machines. These VM machines you can dynamically allocate
resources to (% of host CPU, RAM, disk etc), if you need an extra
server you just spawn a new instance, the system is redundant with
virtual machines doing failover to other host machines, when you need
extra hardware, it is just a standard imaged host machine, to deploy
machines to a Disaster Recovery location is no harder than doing an
offsite backup.

To be able to mix SUSE and Microsoft in this environment and manage
the whole thing with the same tools would be very attractive, for
business.

Virtualization on the desktop has no place for normal users going
about their work in a business environment. Sure it great as a tool
for teaching , testing, developing, demonstrating etc, but there is no
money there, with VMplayer, VirtualPC being given away.

Pflodo
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Peter Flodin a écrit :


You guys are missing why industry is so excited by Virtualization and
why MS can not allow itself to fall behind.


well said, exactly my opinion.

may I add that we may have soon also _clients_ hosted as 
virtual machines, with only a small local PC (for example 
with a browser or ligth client like VNC) - sort of remake of 
the old times... don't forget gigabit ethernet is here right 
now.


jdd


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Carlos E. R. a écrit :


 http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/flash_stream.html


this run perfectly nice on my seamonkey stock (not to say I 
can save it :-()


jdd



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> > http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/flash_stream.html
> 
> this run perfectly nice on my seamonkey stock (not to say I can save it :-()

Then your network is better or nearer the source. Here I can't fill the 
buffer more that 40%, so it doesn't even start. Ah, the getvideo download 
saved nothing in two hours and a half, I just stopped it.

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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread J Sloan

jdd wrote:
> J Sloan a écrit :

> I'm not allowed to connect any computer of my own on this net (and I
> would never allow such thing on my own net!)

You would never allow linux on your own net?

> sometime you have to deal with situations you don't master. I had the
> ability to use a handfull of VMware licences (I know they are now free,
> but this is recent), but the main OS had to cope with proprietary
> software that could only run with Windows, and anyhow, I was just
> tolerated there

I feel your pain and sympathize with your plight, but it sounds like a
no-win situation. Sometimes it's better not to force the issue.

IMHO it may be better to provide a favorable mention of linux, some
tantalizing examples, and provide pointers to more info, rather than
giving a weak first impression of linux. What you will have, is a bunch
of microsoft-oriented students who have been inoculated against linux,
by being introduced to a weak strain of it.

Thereafter, when they hear about linux, they will say "ah yes, linux, I
remember - it was some sort of windows program, I forget what it does,
it didn't do much. some sort of unix emulator I think, I'm not sure"

Joe

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Re: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Miguel Angel Alvarez

El Viernes, 3 de Noviembre de 2006 19:35, Anders Johansson escribió:
> On Friday 03 November 2006 18:11, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
> > In particular, is Novell suggesting that there is some truth to the
> > suggestion that parts of Linux infringe patents,
>
> No, Novell's position is that there are no infringing parts.
>
> This is just a guarantee that if in future something is found, the
> customers and distributors won't be held accountable
Another quote:
"Microsoft reserves the right to update (including discontinue) the foregoing 
covenant pursuant to the terms of the Patent Cooperation Agreement between 
Novell and Microsoft that was publicly announced on November 2, 2006; 
however, the covenant will continue as to specific copies of Covered Products 
distributed by Microsoft for Revenue before the end of the Term."

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On Friday 03 November 2006 6:16 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Friday 2006-11-03 at 23:08 +0100, jdd wrote:
> > > http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/flash_stream.html
> >
> > this run perfectly nice on my seamonkey stock (not to say I can save it
> > :-()
>
> Then your network is better or nearer the source. Here I can't fill the
> buffer more that 40%, so it doesn't even start. Ah, the getvideo download
> saved nothing in two hours and a half, I just stopped it.

The file is at http://files1.novell.com/cached/video/microsoft/mswebcast.flv

The reason getvideo didn't save it is because it's loaded by javascript.

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SPAM: Re: [opensuse] Virtualization for the data centre

2006-11-03 Thread Randall R Schulz

Peter,

On Friday 03 November 2006 13:54, Peter Flodin wrote:
> 
>
> You guys are missing why industry is so excited by Virtualization and
> why MS can not allow itself to fall behind.
>
> For big business Virtualization is for the data centre. Say you run
> an insurance company, or a bank. Instead of having Applications
> running on real machines, you have virtual machines running on server
> farms of host machines. ...

In a word: Flexibility

Another word might be "control" and another "fine-tuning."

And so on. There are lot of virtues to using virtual machine technology. 
That's why it's been in use for decades in large-scale data centers. 
(!)

> ...
>
> Virtualization on the desktop has no place for normal users going
> about their work in a business environment.

Far from true. It may not be a majority of users that can benefit from 
it, but there surely are classes of users for which virtualization is 
superior to having multiple machines in your office.

> ...
>
> Peter Flodin

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Re: SPAM: Re: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1

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The Friday 2006-11-03 at 18:38 -0400, James Oakley wrote:

> > Then your network is better or nearer the source. Here I can't fill the
> > buffer more that 40%, so it doesn't even start. Ah, the getvideo download
> > saved nothing in two hours and a half, I just stopped it.
> 
> The file is at http://files1.novell.com/cached/video/microsoft/mswebcast.flv
> 
> The reason getvideo didn't save it is because it's loaded by javascript.

I had the following command running during two and a half hours, till I 
interrupted it:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp/getvideo> getvideo 
http://files1.novell.com/cached/video/microsoft/mswebcast.flv
  Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/cer/bin/getvideo", line 34, in ?
  page = urllib.urlopen(url).read()
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/socket.py", line 285, in read
  data = self._sock.recv(recv_size)
  KeyboardInterrupt
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and I got nothing.

However, if I tell mozilla to save mswebcast.flv, it says it's going to 
download 135 MiB at 30 KiB/s, it works.

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[opensuse] How can I change default keyboard layout?

2006-11-03 Thread cifroes

Hi,

while installing I chose the wrong keyboard layout so by default it's wrong. 
How can I change this default?

Please note I use openSUSE in "text-only mode", only sometimes I use KDE, so 
please tell me the changes I have to do to KDE and to "text mode".

Thanks in advance,
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On Saturday 04 November 2006 00:32, cifroes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> while installing I chose the wrong keyboard layout so by default it's
> wrong. How can I change this default?

Run "yast", go to Hardware->Keyboard layout, and select the correct one

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RE: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] How can I change default keyboard layout?

2006-11-03 Thread cifroes

Tried it, only changed the layout in KDE, "text-mode" console still with wrong 
keyboard layout and other users with wrong one.


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Subject: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] How can I change default keyboard layout?
 
On Saturday 04 November 2006 00:32, cifroes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> while installing I chose the wrong keyboard layout so by default it's
> wrong. How can I change this default?

Run "yast", go to Hardware->Keyboard layout, and select the correct one

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On Saturday 04 November 2006 00:36, cifroes wrote:
> Tried it, only changed the layout in KDE, "text-mode" console still with
> wrong keyboard layout and other users with wrong one.

Sounds like a bug then. I also tried it, and it worked perfectly.

Which layout do you have now, and which one do you want to change to?

Also, what does /etc/sysconfig/keyboard say for KEYTABLE and YAST_KEYBOARD?

Oh, and which version of opensuse are you running? 10.1 or 10.2beta?

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Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

2006-11-03 Thread SOTL

On Friday 03 November 2006 03:15, Dominik Jais wrote:
> Why do you guys always think that open source is the best and closed source
> is the hell. It's pretty simple to have a coexistens of both. Open your
> minde. Open source is not just the best way; it's one way, out of many. And
> remember the time where Novell Clients where running on Windows systems.
> Why be scared? Nick
>

Living in South Florida (then not now) I went to an economic development 
meeting (my PhD is in Economics) where a very nice presentation was given 
that taxes should be raised because of the then crappy schools, roads, and 
water works. An old (80s) country gentle who obviously had a lot of real 
political power setting in the front row agreed with all the negatives and 
strongly stated that the people definitely need what was being proposed but 
then he floored everybody by stating in no uncertain terms that he was using 
all his political power to oppose the proposal.

When ask why he had a very simple answer.

BECAUSE THEY ARE THIEVES (referring to the politications) who will steal what 
ever funds that are approved.

That was the end of the proposal as everyone realized that he was right.

So to answer your question simply.

It is because the asses are thieves who will steal anything they can any way 
they can.

> >>> Rasmus Plewe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/03/06 12:29 AM >>>
>
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:08:32AM +0100, Jens Nixdorf wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 3. November 2006 00:54 schrieb David Canar:
> > > 3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they
> > > support SUSE Linux!
> >
> > Muhaha! THIS really is an advantage! Its like G.W.Bush is recommending to
> > invest in iranian nuclear technology...
>
> Stop! This goes too far, this example is so totally wrong!
> SUSE Linux is so much more mature than iranian nuclear technology...
>
>
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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread SOTL

On Friday 03 November 2006 02:02, Michal Hlavac wrote:
> Dňa Pi 3. November 2006 03:38 Kurt Wall napísal:
> > http://tinyurl.com/y7rcmb
> >
> > Novell has sold out. I don't see how this makes good business sense in
> > the long term, except, of course, for Microsoft and possibly Red Hat.
> > You don't make deals with Microsoft, because they'll find a way to
> > to weasel out of it. Novell, of all companies, should understand this
> > well. Are memories so fscking short? I'm stunned and astonished.
> >
> > This is now the second time that a distribution and the company behind
> > has sold us down the river. The first time it was OpenLinux and Caldera.
> > Now it is SLES/SLED/openSUSE and Novell. I appreciate the openSUSE !=
> > SUSE insofar as openSUSE is, ostensibly at least, a community project,
> > but when Microsoft turns on Novell, _and they will_, I don't want to be
> > around to get any on me. So long.
>
> When I leave M$ (3 years ago) and choose Suse, I felt free...
> Now I am confusing I am deciding to leave suse and choose something
> like kubuntu... I like to feel free...

The issue here is Kubuntu does not include Gnome packages and Ubuntu does not 
include KDE packages and some people like myself use packages from both.
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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg


Hi,

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, SOTL wrote:

On Friday 03 November 2006 02:02, Michal Hlavac wrote:

Dÿÿa Pi 3. November 2006 03:38 Kurt Wall napísal:



http://tinyurl.com/y7rcmb

Novell has sold out. I don't see how this makes good business sense in
the long term, except, of course, for Microsoft and possibly Red Hat.
You don't make deals with Microsoft, because they'll find a way to
to weasel out of it. Novell, of all companies, should understand this
well. Are memories so fscking short? I'm stunned and astonished.

This is now the second time that a distribution and the company behind
has sold us down the river. The first time it was OpenLinux and Caldera.
Now it is SLES/SLED/openSUSE and Novell. I appreciate the openSUSE !=
SUSE insofar as openSUSE is, ostensibly at least, a community project,
but when Microsoft turns on Novell, _and they will_, I don't want to be
around to get any on me. So long.


When I leave M$ (3 years ago) and choose Suse, I felt free...
Now I am confusing I am deciding to leave suse and choose something
like kubuntu... I like to feel free...


The issue here is Kubuntu does not include Gnome packages and Ubuntu does not
include KDE packages and some people like myself use packages from both.


Please adjust your subject line.
It is really annoying to see that a single paranoid subject is able to set 
headers for a long lasting thread here.


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Re: SPAM: Re: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1

2006-11-03 Thread steve reilly

On Friday 03 November 2006 17:08, jdd wrote:

it would be nice to be able to save a flash stream.


> Carlos E. R. a écrit :
> >  http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/flash_stream.html
>
> this run perfectly nice on my seamonkey stock (not to say I
> can save it :-()
>
> jdd

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Re: [opensuse] So Long openSuSe

2006-11-03 Thread Lev Lafayette

On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 05:08 +0100, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> Kurt Wall wrote:
> > This is now the second time that a distribution and the company behind
> > has sold us down the river. The first time it was OpenLinux and Caldera. Now
> > it is SLES/SLED/openSUSE and Novell. I appreciate the openSUSE != SUSE
> > insofar as openSUSE is, ostensibly at least, a community project, but
> > when Microsoft turns on Novell, _and they will_, I don't want to be
> > around to get any on me. So long.
> 
> >From the FAQ on the Novell site:
> "Microsoft is also pledging not to assert its patents against individual,
> non-commercial open source developers"
> 
> I wouldn't call that selling the users down the river. Independent of
> the fate of Novell the deal will stop worries about MS killing the open
> source movement with patents.
> 

An opinion voiced on another list:

"I wonder whether this is a preliminary to bringing patent infringement 
action against other Linux distributors. After all, Microsoft can't be seen to 
be trying to squelch Linux, as this might be regarded as anti-competitive, 
but trying to enforce patents against distributors who won't sign up could 
be a different matter."

See also:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061102175508403

I hope they're wrong, I really do. But lets face it, in this world every
business preaches competition but actually wants to be the monopoly
provider.

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Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

2006-11-03 Thread John Meyer

In other words, you were willing to let the roads go to hell, the
children go nowhere educationally, and your water go down the drain
because of one old fart with a cynical, do-nothing attitude about our
political servants?   And we wonder why this country is going down stream.
 
SOTL wrote:
> On Friday 03 November 2006 03:15, Dominik Jais wrote:
>   
>> Why do you guys always think that open source is the best and closed source
>> is the hell. It's pretty simple to have a coexistens of both. Open your
>> minde. Open source is not just the best way; it's one way, out of many. And
>> remember the time where Novell Clients where running on Windows systems.
>> Why be scared? Nick
>>
>> 
>
> Living in South Florida (then not now) I went to an economic development 
> meeting (my PhD is in Economics) where a very nice presentation was given 
> that taxes should be raised because of the then crappy schools, roads, and 
> water works. An old (80s) country gentle who obviously had a lot of real 
> political power setting in the front row agreed with all the negatives and 
> strongly stated that the people definitely need what was being proposed but 
> then he floored everybody by stating in no uncertain terms that he was using 
> all his political power to oppose the proposal.
>
> When ask why he had a very simple answer.
>
> BECAUSE THEY ARE THIEVES (referring to the politications) who will steal what 
> ever funds that are approved.
>
> That was the end of the proposal as everyone realized that he was right.
>
> So to answer your question simply.
>
> It is because the asses are thieves who will steal anything they can any way 
> they can.
>
>
>   
> Rasmus Plewe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/03/06 12:29 AM >>>
>   
>> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:08:32AM +0100, Jens Nixdorf wrote:
>> 
>>> Am Freitag, 3. November 2006 00:54 schrieb David Canar:
>>>   
 3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they
 support SUSE Linux!
 
>>> Muhaha! THIS really is an advantage! Its like G.W.Bush is recommending to
>>> invest in iranian nuclear technology...
>>>   
>> Stop! This goes too far, this example is so totally wrong!
>> SUSE Linux is so much more mature than iranian nuclear technology...
>>
>>
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SPAM: Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

2006-11-03 Thread Randall R Schulz

On Friday 03 November 2006 16:51, John Meyer wrote:
> In other words, you were willing to let the roads go to hell, the
> children go nowhere educationally, and your water go down the drain
> because of one old fart with a cynical, do-nothing attitude about our
> political servants?   And we wonder why this country is going down
> stream.

Here's the truth every American (fool) knows: There is no greater evil 
than taxes. If your community or state or the nation as a whole has a 
problem, the solution is to cut taxes and eliminate regulation. Then 
the miracle will occur. Roads crumbling? Cut taxes. Libraries open only 
three days a week? Cut taxes. Crime up? Cut taxes. Hospitals closing? 
Cut taxes. There's no problem that can't be cured by cutting taxes!

Praise the Lord and cut the taxes!!

After all, Armageddon isn't going to happen all by itself.

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Re: SPAM: Re: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1

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The Friday 2006-11-03 at 19:39 -0500, steve reilly wrote:

> it would be nice to be able to save a flash stream.

Do it:

  wget http://files1.novell.com/cached/video/microsoft/mswebcast.flv

The problem I have is playing it later. Video is ok, audio no:

 Video   Audio

Has:   yesno 
Handled:   yesyes
Ignore:no no
codec: Flash Video  unavailable
   (ffmpeg)


Does it mean that the saved file has no audio? It's useless, then.


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Re: SPAM: Re: Re: [opensuse] Howto save flash files from web with SuSE 10.1

2006-11-03 Thread steve reilly

On Friday 03 November 2006 21:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:


lol, thats why im here, learn something new every day.   i was trying to right 
click on the link and "save as"   this was only saving the link not the file.

thanks.



> The Friday 2006-11-03 at 19:39 -0500, steve reilly wrote:
> > it would be nice to be able to save a flash stream.
>
> Do it:
>
>   wget http://files1.novell.com/cached/video/microsoft/mswebcast.flv
>
> The problem I have is playing it later. Video is ok, audio no:
>
>  Video   Audio
>
> Has:   yesno
> Handled:   yesyes
> Ignore:no no
> codec: Flash Video  unavailable
>(ffmpeg)
>
>
> Does it mean that the saved file has no audio? It's useless, then.

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