Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Tomorrows dist meeting
Boyd Lynn Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Boyd Lynn Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Boyd Lynn Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] * Faster booting? What can be done here? I have to way for DHCP. I do not use any DHCP. I have 4 NIC's. It i= s a real PITA. It takes forever for all NIC's to have do do a DHCP search when there is not DHCP. This should be a configuration option. So, what is your setup? * Network Manager or traditional scripts? * How are the 4 NICs configured? traditional, yast2 with fixed IP addresses. And booting really waits for those IPs? This looks strange to me. Could you show the output from the log files for this? I was more thinking of install or upgrade of OS. Or any task that defaults to testing DHCP. Ah - I misunderstood you here. For install or upgrade I consider this ok, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp4hbVBe5Jjl.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] wodim and checkmedia
As a suggestion, it would be handy to have a Eject media button added to Check Media in the Yast2 app. Or have checkmedia do it after completion. This system is openSuSE10.3 Alpha0plus and .wodim-1.1.2-4 -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 Did you know? The transistor was invented by three white men. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Minutes from 2007-03-23 dist meeting
Here are the minutes from yesterday's dist meeting. If you have any questions, comments, ideas, please speak up! Thanks, Andreas * Enabling more network services to be NetworkManager aware, e.g. ntp and autofs This is in general desired but might need quite large rework for some services like autofs that do not handle IP changes properly. Proposal: Services should be aware that network goes up/down and handle no network (instead of timing out). Let's look what can be done for ntp - and later look at other services. Note the ntp service is also usefull for machines without network (serial DCF77 clock). Right now the dispatcher script sends a signal to ntp if the IP address changes but during boot ntp starts even if network is not running. Suggestion: ntp start script should figure out if NetworkManager is running and if it is only start if network is up - otherwise the dispatcher script will start it. AI: Work together on ntp. Dial-in support for NetworkManager to support ISDN, Modem, UMTS, 3G cards is beeing worked on and should be ready for openSUSE 10.3. * Checkin policy for specific projects and how to track them Current example is postgresql. This was a question for security update of old distributions. The maintenance team grants exceptions on a case by case basis, e.g. if the new version just fixes the security problem. * AppArmor: Move the profiles from our package to their packages This would allow easier tracking of changes in packages. On the other hand a central place might give some extra review. Consensus: If the format is stable enough, we should distribute the profiles. Once we do it, we should train the packagers and institure some review process for the profiles to maintain a high quality. Beside manual page apparmor.d(5) a short documentation for packagers in plain english of the format is missed. AI: talk to Apparmor folks. * Faster booting? What can be done here? Booting consists of kernel startup, initrd and System V scripts. The bootchart scripts do measure the System V scripts but not the initial ramdisk. Idea: Snapshotting at gdm/kdm time: Write a snapshot and resume at the next boot back to this version. This is different from suspend to disk. Filesystem fragmentation under Linux is in general not a problem - but it is a problem in booting. Therefore measurements have to be done on freshly installed systems. AI: Generate some bootcharts to show current bottlenecks. * Shrink the basepackages (packages always installed for building) With todays changes we seem to be able to do a self-contained build of base with just 72 source packages (spec files). By heavily stripping the set of basepacks of course. And we have side-by-side compiles against the openSUSE config to compare logfiles (no differences sofar). This means that e.g. vim and strace will be removed from the build environment. The autobuild team will add options to build to easily add debug tools to the tree. AI: Show list of packages to autobuild to adjust configs, announce changes to opensuse-packaging - and run comparisions of the complete system to check that all requirements are met. * Email notifications for checkins for not novell addresses Package.changes file coming from the build service might contain non-Novell email addresses. We decided to not send any autobuild emails to those adddresses. AI: implement whitelist of domains (currently @novell.com, @suse.de, @suse.cz) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgplLVk7rDt0L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Minutes from 2007-03-23 dist meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jaeger schreef: Here are the minutes from yesterday's dist meeting. If you have any questions, comments, ideas, please speak up! Thanks, Andreas * Enabling more network services to be NetworkManager aware, e.g. ntp and autofs This is in general desired but might need quite large rework for some services like autofs that do not handle IP changes properly. Proposal: Services should be aware that network goes up/down and handle no network (instead of timing out). Let's look what can be done for ntp - and later look at other services. Note the ntp service is also usefull for machines without network (serial DCF77 clock). Right now the dispatcher script sends a signal to ntp if the IP address changes but during boot ntp starts even if network is not running. Suggestion: ntp start script should figure out if NetworkManager is running and if it is only start if network is up - otherwise the dispatcher script will start it. This is also a good idea, to make sure things happen as they should... AI: Work together on ntp. Dial-in support for NetworkManager to support ISDN, Modem, UMTS, 3G cards is beeing worked on and should be ready for openSUSE 10.3. * Checkin policy for specific projects and how to track them Current example is postgresql. This was a question for security update of old distributions. The maintenance team grants exceptions on a case by case basis, e.g. if the new version just fixes the security problem. * AppArmor: Move the profiles from our package to their packages This would allow easier tracking of changes in packages. On the other hand a central place might give some extra review. Consensus: If the format is stable enough, we should distribute the profiles. Once we do it, we should train the packagers and institure some review process for the profiles to maintain a high quality. Beside manual page apparmor.d(5) a short documentation for packagers in plain english of the format is missed. AI: talk to Apparmor folks. * Faster booting? What can be done here? Booting consists of kernel startup, initrd and System V scripts. The bootchart scripts do measure the System V scripts but not the initial ramdisk. Idea: Snapshotting at gdm/kdm time: Write a snapshot and resume at the next boot back to this version. This is different from suspend to disk. This looks like a smart idea, suspend to disk sometimes fails, but if it works, it takes a little less time than a complete boot...(and one is were one left off..) Filesystem fragmentation under Linux is in general not a problem - but it is a problem in booting. Therefore measurements have to be done on freshly installed systems. AI: Generate some bootcharts to show current bottlenecks. * Shrink the basepackages (packages always installed for building) With todays changes we seem to be able to do a self-contained build of base with just 72 source packages (spec files). By heavily stripping the set of basepacks of course. And we have side-by-side compiles against the openSUSE config to compare logfiles (no differences sofar). This means that e.g. vim and strace will be removed from the build environment. The autobuild team will add options to build to easily add debug tools to the tree. AI: Show list of packages to autobuild to adjust configs, announce changes to opensuse-packaging - and run comparisions of the complete system to check that all requirements are met. * Email notifications for checkins for not novell addresses Package.changes file coming from the build service might contain non-Novell email addresses. We decided to not send any autobuild emails to those adddresses. AI: implement whitelist of domains (currently @novell.com, @suse.de, @suse.cz) Andreas - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGA853X5/X5X6LpDgRAkSlAKCYzeoTZCANKbbHms+9R/v0W/KpQACfeu4T /jAH1II0jLbE2gHQxpsGvK8= =z2cG -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Minutes from 2007-03-23 dist meeting
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Let's look what can be done for ntp - and later look at other services. Note the ntp service is also usefull for machines without network (serial DCF77 clock). Right now the dispatcher script sends a signal to ntp if the IP address changes but during boot ntp starts even if network is not running. Suggestion: ntp start script should figure out if NetworkManager is running and if it is only start if network is up - otherwise the dispatcher script will start it. At home my ntpd starts up with no servers defined and the ip-up script adds time servers via ntpdc IIRC. Requires that the local clock is sufficiently exact though. I'm not sure if there is a way to remove time servers from a running ntpd again though. Dial-in support for NetworkManager to support ISDN, Modem, UMTS, 3G cards is beeing worked on and should be ready for openSUSE 10.3. Whatever that means. Does it use existing config files as created by yast? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ SUSE Labs V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Minutes from 2007-03-23 dist meeting
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 14:44 +0100, Ludwig Nussel wrote: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Let's look what can be done for ntp - and later look at other services. Note the ntp service is also usefull for machines without network (serial DCF77 clock). Right now the dispatcher script sends a signal to ntp if the IP address changes but during boot ntp starts even if network is not running. Suggestion: ntp start script should figure out if NetworkManager is running and if it is only start if network is up - otherwise the dispatcher script will start it. At home my ntpd starts up with no servers defined and the ip-up script adds time servers via ntpdc IIRC. Requires that the local clock is sufficiently exact though. I'm not sure if there is a way to remove time servers from a running ntpd again though. Dial-in support for NetworkManager to support ISDN, Modem, UMTS, 3G cards is beeing worked on and should be ready for openSUSE 10.3. Whatever that means. Does it use existing config files as created by yast? Potentially, just as we can use yast info for wireless and wired configs now, however the upstream implementation will not do this by default of course, it will have its own PPP config UI. How much knowledge we can extract from yast to implement the upstream config is an open question. Longer term however, I think the approach is almost definitely to use NM everywhere (of course it needs a lot of work to get there for things like static routes, multiple interfaces at the same time etc, but when discussed with the Mobile and Server teams several months ago there was general agreement on this direction). -JP -- JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Minutes from 2007-03-23 dist meeting
JP Rosevear wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 14:44 +0100, Ludwig Nussel wrote: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Dial-in support for NetworkManager to support ISDN, Modem, UMTS, 3G cards is beeing worked on and should be ready for openSUSE 10.3. Whatever that means. Does it use existing config files as created by yast? Potentially, just as we can use yast info for wireless and wired configs now, however the upstream implementation will not do this by default of course, it will have its own PPP config UI. How much knowledge we can extract from yast to implement the upstream config is an open question. Which distro serves as model for the upstream config? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ SUSE Labs V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Minutes from 2007-03-23 dist meeting
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Idea: Snapshotting at gdm/kdm time: Write a snapshot and resume at the next boot back to this version. This is different from suspend to disk. the différence needs to be explained (in function way, not in implementation way) : what are the différences for the user? In fact, I usually don't use suspend because when I need a start, it's rarely to continue the very same work I did at shutdown. (usually I beging lurking at my mail and need this fast, the remaining can wait or be done in the background) Notice than the competitor (at least XP) displays its desktop very soon, but there is still some time before anywork can be done. on the contrary, when Kde is started it's immediately available. this is very typical of the OS way of life: Linux want to be effective, Win to be good looking. However, in this precise case, may be we could take a snapshot (just an image of the desktop - is that the snpshot you speak about there up?) of the screen that will be restored?? (not sure I should like it :-) * Shrink the basepackages (packages always installed for building) With todays changes we seem to be able to do a self-contained should be a good idea to have a pattern old fashioned base system for people used to what is now openSUE :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Minutes from 2007-03-23 dist meeting
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 17:21 +0100, jdd wrote: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Idea: Snapshotting at gdm/kdm time: Write a snapshot and resume at the next boot back to this version. This is different from suspend to disk. However, in this precise case, may be we could take a snapshot (just an image of the desktop - is that the snpshot you speak about there up?) of the screen that will be restored?? (not sure I should like it :-) jdd Now am not sure if i want to laugh or cry after such a comment ... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] brp scripts in autobuild
Hi From [EMAIL PROTECTED]: from various discussions in bug reports I know that brp scripts for the following are installed in autobuild: - check whether .la files have an empty dependency_libs line - check whether .la and .pc files have references to the build root - check whether .desktop files have all their icons installed Are these scripts publicly available somewhere? They are not distributed with rpm, build or osc and I could not find them anywhere else either. Currently not. If not, would it be possible to publish these (and others, if present)? Adding this to my ToDo-List: talk to our managers and see what can be published. But please don't expect a fast answer... :-/ Greetings, Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Konsole developer seeking input
John Andersen wrote: Robert Knight, lead maintainer of Konsole has launched a Konsole Usage Survey. 28 questions are waiting for your answers. Use this chance to give useful feedback about a vital and often-used base application of KDE to enable Robert to make Konsole the best console application for KDE 4. Vital and often-used indeed!! Why, oh why has the Konsole icon been removed from the taskbar in the default desktop ? Putting it back is trivial, I know, but its a shame to see such an important tool being hidden from sight. It feels like going the way of Win or OS X: if you want to use the CLI, you'd better know where to look for it. Under Linux, on the other hand, I'd rather see it featured prominently, as the valuable asset it is. Just my 2¢. Cheers. Bye. Ph. A. -- *Philippe Andersson* Unix System Administrator IBA Particle Therapy | Tel: +32-10-475.983 Fax: +32-10-487.707 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iba-worldwide.com The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the recipient (s) named above. This communication is intended to be and to remain confidential and may be protected by intellectual property rights. Any use of the information contained herein (including but not limited to, total or partial reproduction, communication or distribution of any form) by persons other than the designated recipient(s) is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Ion Beam Applications does not accept liability for any such errors. Thank you for your cooperation. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Konsole developer seeking input
On Friday 23 March 2007 09:01, Philippe Andersson wrote: John Andersen wrote: Robert Knight, lead maintainer of Konsole has launched a Konsole Usage Survey. 28 questions are waiting for your answers. Use this chance to give useful feedback about a vital and often-used base application of KDE to enable Robert to make Konsole the best console application for KDE 4. Vital and often-used indeed!! Why, oh why has the Konsole icon been removed from the taskbar in the default desktop ? Putting it back is trivial, I know, but its a shame to see such an important tool being hidden from sight. It feels like going the way of Win or OS X: if you want to use the CLI, you'd better know where to look for it. Under Linux, on the other hand, I'd rather see it featured prominently, as the valuable asset it is. Just my 2¢. Cheers. Bye. Ph. A. I agree, I would like to see konsole back on the taskbar. Eddie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Webcam difficulties
I'm trying to set up a Creative USB Webcam Live! I've installed Camelot 0.3.5 but when I open it I get an error message saying Initializing Video4Linux input failed: Cannot open device /dev/video0: No such file or directory which is indeed true. Problem, how can I get the software and hardware to see each other? -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] public and private key locations [another problem]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-03-23 at 00:22 -0400, Bob S wrote: After sending off the reply to you I did some more investigation. When trying to decrypt my files I get a message that it cannot locate my secret key. Where is that located??? ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg-- secret. If you overwrite it, you destroy any other secret keys you may have created. You need to import it, menaing you have to export it first from 10.0 There might be something also in ~/.gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGA6o0tTMYHG2NR9URAn6tAJ4skZSEMNehVi/AQljJRJKoB1xCiwCcCsvZ z8pgfhynZj86chcXPj5geNo= =/VNo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOIP solution?
Zhang Weiwu wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:22 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: I am thinking perhaps it's not difficult to set up some software on the server that do the routing, e.g. it serve as a call center that both office login to a VOIP software and it connects to the server, the server talk to both sides. This is the fastest solution and it should work. That's only my imagination, I am still searching for such software. Certainly THIS would work: set up VPN on the server and both office dial into the VPN before they start to use some SIP software. This can solve the problem, but I think it's over complicated. Besides, I never tried VPN on Linux, only did it on Windows: on windows the downside is once a host has dialed up VPN, local network connection is hidden for it, that I can no longer access the hosts in the same office that has not yet dialed in the same VPN. This is not acceptable for us. You used Windows PPTP VPN, which forces the default route through the tunnel. I use OpenVPN, on both Linux and Windows. It works well and does not force the default route. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] FireFox 2 - Printing URL completely on printouts
Hi all, I often print material from the internet as PDF files for reference. When printing, Firefox can print the URL on the bottomn of the page. These URL's are mostly abbreviated with *--.* (e.g. http://www.websitepageone.com/director--.htm). When it starts on the left hand side of the bottomn of the page, it should print the complete URL, regardless how long it is. How can it be setup to do that? :-) Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: VOIP solution?
Sunny wrote: On 3/22/07, Zhang Weiwu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:22 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: I am thinking perhaps it's not difficult to set up some software on the server that do the routing, e.g. it serve as a call center that both office login to a VOIP software and it connects to the server, the server talk to both sides. This is the fastest solution and it should work. That's only my imagination, I am still searching for such software. Certainly THIS would work: set up VPN on the server and both office dial into the VPN before they start to use some SIP software. This can solve the problem, but I think it's over complicated. Besides, I never tried VPN on Linux, only did it on Windows: on windows the downside is once a host has dialed up VPN, local network connection is hidden for it, that I can no longer access the hosts in the same office that has not yet dialed in the same VPN. This is not acceptable for us. If you go with VPN solution you can use openvpn - that way you can setup exactly which IPs you want to route trough the vpn, and then any p2p VOIP software should work. Plenty of them for linux (including GAIM). You can setup Jabber server and use it. servers: http://www.jabber.org/software/servers.shtml, clients: http://www.jabber.org/software/clients.shtml Or you can take a look at http://www.asterisk.org/ For me it seems that the bandwith shortage is the first problem to solve or cope with. If Skype does not work solely because of bad connections to the Skype Network, this is ok and you might try with a peer to peer client for testing, if direct connectivity works better. A quick google showed IHU (I hear you). There is also an rpm for 10.2 on packman. The description says, that it works without using any session protocol. Otherwise, imho, if Skype does not work ok, hardly anything else will do, especially not a SIP connection, not to mention multiple concurrent SIP connections at the same time. With Asterisk you get a superior PBX Solution that handles anything you can imagine. So you might benefit from Asterix in your internal networks at the respective locations, but, sadly, the IAX (Inter Asterix Protocol), from what I saw, does not offer you better bandwith usage than SIP, so Asterix might not be the obvious solution to handly your bandwith issues. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Webcam difficulties
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:03 +, Bob Williams wrote: I'm trying to set up a Creative USB Webcam Live! I've installed Camelot 0.3.5 but when I open it I get an error message saying Initializing Video4Linux input failed: Cannot open device /dev/video0: No such file or directory which is indeed true. Problem, how can I get the software and hardware to see each other? -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 Some debug info would be great - try looking at /var/log/messages when connecting/disconnecting the cam. Post the results. Also take a look at http://opensource.creative.com/webcam.html It seems that you will need the spca5xx driver (not included on std openSUSE distro, I compiled it myself, works ok but contrast issues with my logitech) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: VOIP solution?
Eberhard Roloff wrote: Or you can take a look at http://www.asterisk.org/ For me it seems that the bandwith shortage is the first problem to solve or cope with. ... With Asterisk you get a superior PBX Solution that handles anything you can imagine. So you might benefit from Asterix in your internal networks at the respective locations, but, sadly, the IAX (Inter Asterix Protocol), from what I saw, does not offer you better bandwith usage than SIP, so Asterix might not be the obvious solution to handly your bandwith issues. I agree that it looks like a good idea to put an Asterisk server in each office. They will handle local calls within each office so you don't use any external bandwidth. It can also connect your phone lines. Then you need to connect the two Asterisk servers via your hosted server. I guess you could put another copy of Asterisk on that server, or just setup the routing tables to ensure that conections from one to the other go via the hosted server. Details depend on exactly how that very special technology is set up. If you use a VPN to communicate with your hosted server then I assume that Asterisk traffic will also use it. But if you don't already need to use a VPN, I'm not clear of the benefit of setting one up. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] dclock が複数表示される.... (_ _?
On Thursday 22 March 2007 07:15, Masaru Nomiya wrote: pete On Thursday 22 March 2007, 野宮 賢 / NOMIYA Masaru wrote: pete 野宮です． [...] pete 「先端技術の開発は、優れた頭脳を持つ人間が集中しないと成功しない。 pete しかし、技術開発と、それが何をもたらすかを考えることは別だ。 pete 一人の人間に二つは望めない。」 -- M. Crichton -- pete I thought this was the english speaking/typwritten list .. Sorry, just mispost. I intended to post opensuse-ja ML. ^^;; No problem, Masaru. Actually, I want to thank you for your faux pas. I quite enjoyed seeing these beautiful characters among the boring, repetitive Roman characters in this list. They are fascinating. Carlos FL
Re: [opensuse] Webcam difficulties
On Friday 23 March 2007 12:56:41 Hans van der Merwe wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:03 +, Bob Williams wrote: I'm trying to set up a Creative USB Webcam Live! I've installed Camelot 0.3.5 but when I open it I get an error message saying Initializing Video4Linux input failed: Cannot open device /dev/video0: No such file or directory which is indeed true. Problem, how can I get the software and hardware to see each other? -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 Some debug info would be great - try looking at /var/log/messages when connecting/disconnecting the cam. There are a lot of files in there, none of them seem to change when I plug/unplug my camera. Which one should I be looking for? Post the results. Also take a look at http://opensource.creative.com/webcam.html It seems that you will need the spca5xx driver (not included on std openSUSE distro, I compiled it myself, works ok but contrast issues with my logitech) I'm running a 64 bit system here, I'm not sure those drivers will work. Thanks -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Webcam difficulties
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 13:59 +, Bob Williams wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 12:56:41 Hans van der Merwe wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:03 +, Bob Williams wrote: I'm trying to set up a Creative USB Webcam Live! I've installed Camelot 0.3.5 but when I open it I get an error message saying Initializing Video4Linux input failed: Cannot open device /dev/video0: No such file or directory which is indeed true. Problem, how can I get the software and hardware to see each other? -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 Some debug info would be great - try looking at /var/log/messages when connecting/disconnecting the cam. There are a lot of files in there, none of them seem to change when I plug/unplug my camera. Which one should I be looking for? the actual messages file in /var/log Post the results. Also take a look at http://opensource.creative.com/webcam.html It seems that you will need the spca5xx driver (not included on std openSUSE distro, I compiled it myself, works ok but contrast issues with my logitech) I'm running a 64 bit system here, I'm not sure those drivers will work. No idea (im 32bit), mail the developer E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Webcam difficulties
On Friday 23 March 2007 14:09:41 Hans van der Merwe wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 13:59 +, Bob Williams wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 12:56:41 Hans van der Merwe wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:03 +, Bob Williams wrote: I'm trying to set up a Creative USB Webcam Live! I've installed Camelot 0.3.5 but when I open it I get an error message saying Initializing Video4Linux input failed: Cannot open device /dev/video0: No such file or directory which is indeed true. Problem, how can I get the software and hardware to see each other? -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 Some debug info would be great - try looking at /var/log/messages when connecting/disconnecting the cam. There are a lot of files in there, none of them seem to change when I plug/unplug my camera. Which one should I be looking for? the actual messages file in /var/log Aah. This looks like it... Mar 23 14:24:54 bhf kernel: ohci_hcd :00:03.1: wakeup Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 15 Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: new device found, idVendor=041e, idProduct=4036 Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: Product: WebCam Live! Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Creative Labs Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: ZC0301[P] Image Processor and Control Chip detected (vid/pid 0x041E/0x4036) Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: No supported image sensor detected I'm not sure what that last line means :( -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Webcam difficulties
On Friday 23 March 2007 14:21:16 Anders Damm wrote: Try the output from sudo tail -f /var/log/messages Thanks. It's always useful to get CLI tips like this. I was using Krusader, then trying to open the file in Kate, not realising I needed root permissions. Doh! -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Multipathing in Autofs
Hi, I use multipathing in my automounter maps. The configuration works well with other flavours of Linux and Unix, but on SuSe system I get the error automount[27186]: parse(sun): entry temp is a multipath entry when I try to change direcotry to the automount location. Is this issue with the autofs version or the kernel? Thanks,
[opensuse] Quanta + in OpenSUSE 10.2?
Hi, Some apps dissapeared from OpenSUSE 10.2 that I had on the Boxed and the opesource versions of SUSE 10.1 I was looking for Quanta+ and Scribus. Got Scribus from guru and updates from kde-backports. What happened to Quanta? Anyone got it on 10.2 (perhaps a RPM)? :-) Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Quanta + in OpenSUSE 10.2?
On Friday 23 March 2007 11:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Some apps dissapeared from OpenSUSE 10.2 that I had on the Boxed and the opesource versions of SUSE 10.1 I was looking for Quanta+ and Scribus. Got Scribus from guru and updates from kde-backports. What happened to Quanta? Anyone got it on 10.2 (perhaps a RPM)? :-) Al I have it insatlled. It is in 10.2, when in yast software package manager look for rpm which provides quanta. P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Quanta + in OpenSUSE 10.2?
On Fri March 23 2007 11:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some apps dissapeared from OpenSUSE 10.2 that I had on the Boxed and the opesource versions of SUSE 10.1 I was looking for Quanta+ and Scribus. Got Scribus from guru and updates from kde-backports. What happened to Quanta? Anyone got it on 10.2 (perhaps a RPM)? Hi Al, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -q --whatprovides quanta kdewebdev3-3.5.5-29 hth regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
Greetings. How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] 10.2: Wrong root charset?
Greetings. When I kdesu root konqueror, files with danish letter in them are diplayed wrong. Both file names and their contents. When I log in as root (from kdm) the same files display right. How to korrect? Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Quanta + in OpenSUSE 10.2?
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 11:42 -0400, Carl Hartung wrote: Hi Al, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -q --whatprovides quanta kdewebdev3-3.5.5-29 hth regards, Carl Hi Carl, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -q --whatprovides quanta no package provides quanta Hi Peter, Yast -- Software Management with RPM Provides checked did it. OK, I saw it is in kdewebdev3. Now I have like Carl's: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -q --whatprovides quanta kdewebdev3-3.5.6-3.19 Thanx guys, :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Webcam difficulties
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:03 +, Bob Williams wrote: I'm trying to set up a Creative USB Webcam Live! I've installed Camelot 0.3.5 but when I open it I get an error message saying Initializing Video4Linux input failed: Cannot open device /dev/video0: No such file or directory which is indeed true. Problem, how can I get the software and hardware to see each other? Might I ask as to which version, and what driver module you are using? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Webcam difficulties
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 14:28 +, Bob Williams wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 14:09:41 Hans van der Merwe wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 13:59 +, Bob Williams wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 12:56:41 Hans van der Merwe wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:03 +, Bob Williams wrote: I'm trying to set up a Creative USB Webcam Live! I've installed Camelot 0.3.5 but when I open it I get an error message saying Initializing Video4Linux input failed: Cannot open device /dev/video0: No such file or directory which is indeed true. Problem, how can I get the software and hardware to see each other? -- Bob SuSE Linux 10.2, KDE 3.5.5 Some debug info would be great - try looking at /var/log/messages when connecting/disconnecting the cam. There are a lot of files in there, none of them seem to change when I plug/unplug my camera. Which one should I be looking for? the actual messages file in /var/log Aah. This looks like it... Mar 23 14:24:54 bhf kernel: ohci_hcd :00:03.1: wakeup Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 15 Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: new device found, idVendor=041e, idProduct=4036 Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: Product: WebCam Live! Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Creative Labs Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: ZC0301[P] Image Processor and Control Chip detected (vid/pid 0x041E/0x4036) Mar 23 14:24:55 bhf kernel: usb 3-2: No supported image sensor detected I'm not sure what that last line means :( It means that you don't have a driver file for it. http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html, will help you, as this camera with the usb id is listed. And you can use this URL to get the compilable module: http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Could you elaborate, please? What are those permissions you are refering to? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBACutTMYHG2NR9URAqyGAJ94fZx4e96Kb+B7YXyGG+CITngTygCggzPL OYF+47C/62elvtYHwpg3Bhw= =EqCR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Konsole developer seeking input
:) Funny you should mention this. it's the very first thing i put BACK on my taskbar when doing a new install ;) Thanks for the link to the survey. Crouse Site Admin. OpenSuse.us -- On 3/23/07, eddieleprince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 09:01, Philippe Andersson wrote: John Andersen wrote: Robert Knight, lead maintainer of Konsole has launched a Konsole Usage Survey. 28 questions are waiting for your answers. Use this chance to give useful feedback about a vital and often-used base application of KDE to enable Robert to make Konsole the best console application for KDE 4. Vital and often-used indeed!! Why, oh why has the Konsole icon been removed from the taskbar in the default desktop ? Putting it back is trivial, I know, but its a shame to see such an important tool being hidden from sight. It feels like going the way of Win or OS X: if you want to use the CLI, you'd better know where to look for it. Under Linux, on the other hand, I'd rather see it featured prominently, as the valuable asset it is. Just my 2¢. Cheers. Bye. Ph. A. I agree, I would like to see konsole back on the taskbar. Eddie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
Fredag 23 marts 2007 17:30 kvad Carlos E. R.: The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Could you elaborate, please? What are those permissions you are refering to? The permissions for the directory /root I have set it to be viewable by all. Every time YOU runs it resets the permissions so that only root can view the directory. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
Fredag 23 marts 2007 17:30 kvad Carlos E. R.:
The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote:
How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ?
Could you elaborate, please?
What are those permissions you are refering to?
The permissions for the directory /root
I have set it to be viewable by all.
Every time YOU runs it resets the permissions so that only root can
view the directory.
Check out the entry for /root in /etc/permissions. (It's not YOU
that resets the permissions, but SuSEconfig). I think you can
overwrite this entry with a custom entry in the /etc/permissions.local
file.
Cheers,
Michael
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Re: [opensuse] [SOLVED]10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
Fredag 23 marts 2007 17:49 kvad Michael Schroeder: The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Check out the entry for /root in /etc/permissions. (It's not YOU that resets the permissions, but SuSEconfig). I think you can overwrite this entry with a custom entry in the /etc/permissions.local file. It works. Thank you Michael :o) (And you too, Carlos :o)) Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
On Friday 23 March 2007, Michael Schroeder wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: Fredag 23 marts 2007 17:30 kvad Carlos E. R.: The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Could you elaborate, please? What are those permissions you are refering to? The permissions for the directory /root I have set it to be viewable by all. Every time YOU runs it resets the permissions so that only root can view the directory. Check out the entry for /root in /etc/permissions. (It's not YOU that resets the permissions, but SuSEconfig). I think you can overwrite this entry with a custom entry in the /etc/permissions.local file. Cheers, Michael I'm amazed at Michael's ability to hand out this information (apparently with a straight face) to a user who didn't know how to do this (suggestive of someone fairly new to linux), without even once pointing out what a dumb idea this is. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
John Andersen wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007, Michael Schroeder wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: Fredag 23 marts 2007 17:30 kvad Carlos E. R.: The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Could you elaborate, please? What are those permissions you are refering to? The permissions for the directory /root I have set it to be viewable by all. Every time YOU runs it resets the permissions so that only root can view the directory. Check out the entry for /root in /etc/permissions. (It's not YOU that resets the permissions, but SuSEconfig). I think you can overwrite this entry with a custom entry in the /etc/permissions.local file. Cheers, Michael I'm amazed at Michael's ability to hand out this information (apparently with a straight face) to a user who didn't know how to do this (suggestive of someone fairly new to linux), without even once pointing out what a dumb idea this is. please, don't be so harsh, given you don't add either any info :-( May I say (in my poor english) that: * the /root permissions are setup by Yast for very good reason (security... too many to be discussed shortly) * it's possible to make the modification said in the permissions file * this must not be done without extreme caution. May I also say that the OP didn't post the very reason he have to try to do so. For whatever reason he have decided to modify root permissions. Can he give us this very reason (if it's possible to discuss it in a public list), there are _certainly_ more adequate solutions, without the security drawbacks. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] SUSE 9.0 iso images?
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the iso images for SUSE 9.0? I have to do some testing and one of our production platforms still uses this version. I don't have the disks or iso images because this machine existed prior to me joining my current group at work. And of course they don't have them either. Any help would rock. Thanks! - Ben -- Faith is the truth of passion. Since no passion is more true than another, faith is the truth of nothing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SUSE 9.0 iso images?
Op Friday 23 March 2007 20:27:47 schreef Ben Rosenberg: Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the iso images for SUSE 9.0? I have to do some testing and one of our production platforms still uses this version. I don't have the disks or iso images because this machine existed prior to me joining my current group at work. And of course they don't have them either. Any help would rock. Have there iso's been released for 9.0? At that time suse did not release ISOs I think. However, you can do a network install with: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/discontinued/i386/9.0 -- Richard Bos We are borrowing the world of our children, It is not inherited from our parents. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
Fredag 23 marts 2007 19:46 kvad John Andersen: On Friday 23 March 2007, Michael Schroeder wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: Fredag 23 marts 2007 17:30 kvad Carlos E. R.: The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Could you elaborate, please? What are those permissions you are refering to? The permissions for the directory /root I have set it to be viewable by all. Every time YOU runs it resets the permissions so that only root can view the directory. Check out the entry for /root in /etc/permissions. (It's not YOU that resets the permissions, but SuSEconfig). I think you can overwrite this entry with a custom entry in the /etc/permissions.local file. Cheers, Michael I'm amazed at Michael's ability to hand out this information (apparently with a straight face) to a user who didn't know how to do this (suggestive of someone fairly new to linux), without even once pointing out what a dumb idea this is. Dumber than critisising a working solution without suggesting a better solution nor explaining why the working solution is dumb? (This is where you have your chance to explain why Michael's solution is dumb, AND present a better solution -- don't miss that chance) Johnny (The original poster) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
Fredag 23 marts 2007 19:56 kvad jdd: John Andersen wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007, Michael Schroeder wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 05:43:27PM +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: Fredag 23 marts 2007 17:30 kvad Carlos E. R.: The Friday 2007-03-23 at 16:44 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: How do I tell YOU to not reset my custom permissions for /root/ ? Could you elaborate, please? What are those permissions you are refering to? The permissions for the directory /root I have set it to be viewable by all. Every time YOU runs it resets the permissions so that only root can view the directory. Check out the entry for /root in /etc/permissions. (It's not YOU that resets the permissions, but SuSEconfig). I think you can overwrite this entry with a custom entry in the /etc/permissions.local file. Cheers, Michael I'm amazed at Michael's ability to hand out this information (apparently with a straight face) to a user who didn't know how to do this (suggestive of someone fairly new to linux), without even once pointing out what a dumb idea this is. please, don't be so harsh, given you don't add either any info :-( May I say (in my poor english) that: * the /root permissions are setup by Yast for very good reason (security... too many to be discussed shortly) * it's possible to make the modification said in the permissions file * this must not be done without extreme caution. May I also say that the OP didn't post the very reason he have to try to do so. For whatever reason he have decided to modify root permissions. Can he give us this very reason (if it's possible to discuss it in a public list), there are _certainly_ more adequate solutions, without the security drawbacks. It can be discussed, if people are interested. This is a desktop computer. I have my ordinary user account for my daily work. My printer's ink level program is unable to display ink level as well as print when either one of the four cartridges are empty. The cartridges are opaque and the printer itself only lights up one single light to signal that one of the cartridges are empty. So I have written a small service script to check the ink level every 60 seconds, and log that to a file in /root/. /root is where I keep all my system setting notes and system scripts, and I considder the ink level log a system wide thing. I wish for alle users to be able to see the ink level log. Thus the changed permissions of /root. There is nothing secret in /root that I am aware of. I also wish to keep the number of directories to back up to a minimum -- /root and /home. Thus I have opted _not_ to put the ink level log in a directory outside /root or /home. The discussion is hereby open. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-03-23 at 21:36 +0100, Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: So I have written a small service script to check the ink level every 60 seconds, and log that to a file in /root/. /root is where I keep all my system setting notes and system scripts, and I considder the ink level log a system wide thing. I wish for alle users to be able to see the ink level log. Thus the changed permissions of /root. There is nothing secret in /root that I am aware of. I also wish to keep the number of directories to back up to a minimum -- /root and /home. Thus I have opted _not_ to put the ink level log in a directory outside /root or /home. I think it would be better to log things to the log directory, which exist for that very purpose ;-) Ie, log to somewhere under /var/log, and give the file the appropiate permission to be read by all. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBEH7tTMYHG2NR9URAgY0AKCRVl6ynAZyNaayQ+l3RB4zSkNO0gCeNuRS K2SZSKgIUbeEEh45sykbogU= =NaMW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linus loves GPL v2 ---- and is not on a crusade
On Thursday 22 March 2007 10:54, M Harris wrote: ... it is essential to differentiate two important camps within the F/OSS community. There are those who champion open source software. There are also those who champion free (as in freedom) software... like myself, and like the FSF. The two are related, but the two are vastly different in terms of motivation and affiliation. And I think that the distinctions being made between Free and Open Source are not worth fighting over. When you read the definition of Open Source at http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php and then look at the FSF at http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html for their definition of Free software it certainly doesn't look like there is very much, if any practical difference. What is worth fighting over is the right to use, to create, and to modify non-proprietary software. You insist there is this vast difference between Open Source and Free Software - I don't see such a vast difference. What I do see is that fighting about whether Free or Open Source is the correct model diverts people from dealing with the real enemy - those that want us all in a proprietary, locked down world of copywrongs and patents and DRM. The M$-Novell deal might be good in the short term for OSS, and maybe even for Novell... but the M$-Novell deal is detrimental to free (as in freedom) software. I could care less about interoperability--- doesn't affect me. Well interoperability does affect many of the rest of us. We don't live in a world where there aren't real costs to adopting free or open-source software. Interoperability removes barriers to adoption of free or open-source software. The more people who have and use free or open-source software, the more allies we can enlist in overcoming the proprietary world. The question is not whether a piece of software is open source or not... the question is also not whether some IT manager has to hassle with Linux being able to work seamlessly with the knot-headed M$ product line... the real question is whether software is free, and whether software users have freedom--- freedom of choice and freedom useage. The question ought to be whether people can do the work they need to do with free or open-source software or not. If they cannot - either because the software hasn't been written in an free or open-source software version or the free or open-source software version doesn't do what the user needs then they are much less likely to adopt free or open-source software and instead will stick to the proprietary versions. That's why I'm glad to see, for example, the ability to read the new M$ Office file format for documents being supported in Open Office. Because I NEED the ability, at work, on my Linux computer, to read files sent by those still stuck in the M$ world. It's not because I want to generate them it's because I need to be able to read them. So interoperability is really useful even if all the software you use is non-proprietary. M$ has strategically targeted freedom, and she is going to leverage Novell against that agenda. This is not just about embrace, extend, extinguish sad to say. This issue goes way beyond that this time around... the goal is to destroy freedom... this is something against which the FSF has devoted many hard long hours to fight and is still faithful to fight for. This is not religious zeal... its about choice and propriety--- freedom of expression, and freedom of extention, and freedom of innovation. I'm not arguing against the view that M$ has that kind of long range agenda. I don't, however, see that the Novell - M$ agreement moves us down that road. Linus may not be on a crusade... but the FSF is. Novell isn't on a crusade either... they're just dressed out to make a buck like everyone else. And your point is that being a crusader lends you credibility? The FSF is on a crusade--- and the crusaders are not fighting windmills. OSS will not be hurt in the slightest at this point. OSS has finally hit critical mass--- there is no stopping that now. However, freedom is still very much hanging in the balance. The GPLv3 is not perfect, but it is closing in on the real issues, and it *is* going to make a difference. Unfortunately, what it may also do is further excaberate the divisions in the non-proprietary software community. If many of those, like Linus, can't agree to use GPLv3 in its present form, are we going to see more energy dissipated in arguing about which distro can use which software instead of enabling all distros to better combat M$ and Apple? Computer systems should be free tools... not owned/controlled by Ballmer Gates. I suspect you mean that everyone should be able to freely choose whatever software they want to use on their computer, and in that I completely concur. If you mean that everyone should get computers at no cost,
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
So I have written a small service script to check the ink level every 60 seconds, Point 1: Is there a better way to get this information (I'm just asking)? and log that to a file in /root/. /root is where I keep all my system setting notes and system scripts, and I considder the ink level log a system wide thing. Point 2. The ink level log would be a a system wide thing (for you), but /root is not. Can you log to a more appropriate place - /var/log/linklog, for example (process logs most often go in /var/log)? If you don't like /var/log for some reason, there are other places - /pub, /tmp, /usr/local - even make a whole new folder /inklog and put it there. I wish for alle users to be able to see the ink level log. Understood. But do they need to see everything else in /root? At this time you probably think you know everyone who uses the system, but what if an unauthorized, or for that matter even an unexpected (childeren, guests) person ever gets on? Do you want them to see your privet ssh keys and other encryption information? Your shell history? Thus the changed permissions of /root. There is nothing secret in /root that I am aware of. Is this system ever on the internet? Maybe you don't care if the system in question is broken into, but is it connected via network to other machines that you do care about? Maybe other workstations that have sensitive or personal information? I also wish to keep the number of directories to back up to a minimum -- /root and /home. I understand. But if that's your reason, why would you be backing up a log file that's being overwritten every 60 seconds anyway? -JW -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - System Administrator - Cedar Creek Software www.cedarcreeksoftware.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] C++ IDE
Hi all, Is there any famous, robust and efficient IDE for C++ under Linux (SuSE)? I have used gcc for a long time without using an IDE but I need an IDE for C++ which I think is supported by gc++ (I am not sure). I am using GNOME, so I need something else than KDevelop... Cheers, D. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] User permission problems - plz help!
hi Susers ! I installed a openSUSE 10.2 some while ago. I have had some problems, so I created a new user, and deleted the original one. The problems I have now, due to this move: In KDE, when I do Start-Leave I can only end session, not shutdown, not restart In K3B, I cannot write anything, is it does NOT recognizes my new DVD-RW. Under root account everything works ! Other priviledge problem, that I would like to solve: Why simple utilities, such as ifconfig and traceroute require root priviledges ? Or more correctly, they *do* run under normal user, but are not included on the normal user path by default. Why is that? -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Booting laptop with wireless disable
Anybody has this problem?, i can't boot a Dell Inspiron 6400 with Wifi disabled (Fn+F2), the boot process just hangs on some point. But if i reenable the wifi card and reset the laptop it just boots fine, weird Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] apple wireless and suse crashing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 dear all Has anyone else experienced the same problem. I have a wireless network at home with my main workstation and SuSE box hard wired to it. It provides network for the rest of the family, a combination of windows and apple laptops. Recently since the last but one kernel update every time I turn on my powerbook wireless networking and try to pick up the house network my SuSE workstation crashes - Hard! I have to do a hard reset. Usually this manifests as a tune repeating like a stuck record. This is new and not happened until recently but it is very reproducible i.e. every time. is this a kernel bug? any thoughts? Nick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGBEzNGFC6dsTXU2kRAvZ3AJ4noldf/Mt2NPmnAvP5Odljbh8ZkgCfV3b2 mqPNPeRfaFzTQ0/rSe8Dntc= =wKIG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] dbus-daemon and other stuff
i've set up a server to be used as a TS for arround 30 users. it works great, but i have some minor issues . ( it's an opensuse 10.2 ) * i'll had to disable beagle, because it ate all my ram. is it possible, to let it run at night only, or when a user is logged out ? * if i do a ps auxw, when all users are gone, i see a lot of these processes (arround 100 or more ) /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session my ps list is growing to large * how do i disable sound completely * i'll try to create a pipe for my syslog-ng, but i'll keep getting these permission errors, although the permissions seems correct this is the pipe prw-rw 1 root root0 2007-03-23 23:44 check_vigor_messages these are the messages Mar 23 23:44:38 jwt kernel: Kernel log daemon terminating. Mar 23 23:44:39 jwt syslog-ng[20729]: syslog-ng version 1.6.11 going down Mar 23 23:44:39 jwt syslog-ng[20895]: syslog-ng version 1.6.11 starting Mar 23 23:44:44 jwt kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Mar 23 23:45:05 jwt syslog-ng[20895]: Changing permissions on special file /dev/xconsole Mar 23 23:45:05 jwt syslog-ng[20895]: Changing permissions on special file /dev/tty10 Mar 23 23:45:05 jwt syslog-ng[20895]: Cannot open file /var/run/check_vigor_messages for writing (Permission denied) for the rest, it's nice to see the server running with 30 persons working on it :-) jef peeraer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Quanta + in OpenSUSE 10.2?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Some apps dissapeared from OpenSUSE 10.2 that I had on the Boxed and the opesource versions of SUSE 10.1 I was looking for Quanta+ and Scribus. Got Scribus from guru and updates from kde-backports. What happened to Quanta? Anyone got it on 10.2 (perhaps a RPM)? :-) Al came with my downloaded cds. its not named quanta, but can be found under html editors in packages mode in yast. dwain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Quanta + in OpenSUSE 10.2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 dwain wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some apps disappeared from OpenSUSE 10.2 that I had on the Boxed and the opensource versions of SUSE 10.1 I was looking for Quanta+ and Scribus. Got Scribus from guru and updates from kde-backports. What happened to Quanta? Anyone got it on 10.2 (perhaps a RPM)? came with my downloaded cds. its not named quanta, but can be found under html editors in packages mode in yast. quanta in the package kdewebdev3 scribus comes with 10.2 too, but maybe not on the CDs (the DVD has more packages than the CDs, and the internet repository has even more) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGBFszr3NMWliFcXcRAsPxAJ0Wv6ZZLuGZlKwdZKx15EI0E9gkuwCgi6JE aI6QIErTNZJlxiui19t+rEI= =3sLF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] User permission problems - plz help!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-03-23 at 22:23 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote: I have had some problems, so I created a new user, and deleted the original one. The problems I have now, due to this move: In KDE, when I do Start-Leave I can only end session, not shutdown, not restart In K3B, I cannot write anything, is it does NOT recognizes my new DVD-RW. Under root account everything works ! I don't know about that one. Perhaps you copied over some files from one user to the other? Other priviledge problem, that I would like to solve: Why simple utilities, such as ifconfig and traceroute require root priviledges ? Or more correctly, they *do* run under normal user, but are not included on the normal user path by default. Why is that? I can think of two reasons. One, is the assumption that Mr Root is the only one with knowledge to use Certain Things. Also, he is the one responsible for the machine to the external world, and tools like traceroute could perhaps cause damage to others. Perhaps its designer thinks that if you know how to add the path, then are a responsible enough user ;-) Some tools, like ping, permit root do things that they don't allow normal users. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBF5ntTMYHG2NR9URAhHiAJ40MPP8b4S3Cbt5G8xptFGaxvaK6ACeNgP0 FauWuLt4v3vgGUP2D7Q7wRw= =KtwS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Donnerstag, 22. März 2007 14:21 schrieb Carlos E. R.: The Thursday 2007-03-22 at 08:42 +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote: Remember however, that biometric is never a replacement for a password! Fingerprints can be forged/copied Dunno about that, but they can be stolen, ie, the finger removed from it's owner... I don't like biometrics unless they can prove the owner is alive an undamaged (and make sure the bad guys know that and don't try to fool the system just in case) :-( -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Uhm.. we're talking about laptops, right? For private usage, to make it more difficult to get access to the lost files?! We're not talking about a military/scientific/top secret or something similar which is worth beeing killed for, right? For the later thing I guess I'd prefer a gun next to my head make me reveal the password instead of getting my fingers cut, that's true :D Best regardes Michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGBF7DcHwbW/zlOZoRAkRyAKCQKd+7KYeLnZ8cGFhHVkDMI3ulPgCffOk8 6tOxGzdAbYv9CMzcAgfvRvk= =0VyQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Quanta + in OpenSUSE 10.2?
On Friday March 23 2007 15:56, Pascal Bleser wrote: dwain wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some apps disappeared from OpenSUSE 10.2 that I had on the Boxed and the opensource versions of SUSE 10.1 I was looking for Quanta+ and Scribus. Got Scribus from guru and updates from kde-backports. What happened to Quanta? Anyone got it on 10.2 (perhaps a RPM)? came with my downloaded cds. its not named quanta, but can be found under html editors in packages mode in yast. quanta in the package kdewebdev3 scribus comes with 10.2 too, but maybe not on the CDs (the DVD has more packages than the CDs, and the internet repository has even more) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. It is part of this rpm kdewebdev3-3.5.5-29. I got it in boxed version. should be part of kde packages. I found it the way Dwain said. -- Russ Linux register user 441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of eye matter would make it very hard if not impossible to remove the eye to hold it in front of a scanner for an accurate reading. Rich Well in the movie they always cut off the whole head then.. (dunno if it's working or not, anyway I'd prefer to stay with my head ;D ). Nice Weekend Michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGBGRPcHwbW/zlOZoRAgSWAJ0QbaX2RIR4t+UmyGkOAzYevMGZ3ACeNKFl +/glj7tSVEWvZFplaZb/0k4= =Bj0j -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Booting laptop with wireless disable
Ciro Iriarte wrote: Anybody has this problem?, i can't boot a Dell Inspiron 6400 with Wifi disabled (Fn+F2), the boot process just hangs on some point. But if i reenable the wifi card and reset the laptop it just boots fine, weird Ciro Yup, although the machine was running Ubuntu, disable wifi and it just locks up halfway through booting. It is weird. Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] My Yahoo
- something radical has changed . . . it is no longer possible to SAVE a page as an html file, which one can later open with Mozilla, when Off-Line . . . NOW, one needs to be On-Line for the Saved page to be enabled for opening Is there a Fix ? thanks Friendly Greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Clone an existing webserver into a virtual machine
However, you can redirect the output via scp to save it another box. ;) I had a look to scp without redirecting but directly copy from the webserver. Unfortunately scp in opensuse works different than the one in BSDs. It can preserve times (-p) but can't preserve guid. If it could I could make a local install, copy /etc/passwd first, and finally the missing files. Maybe rsync could do it but I'm not familiar with. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] My Yahoo
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-23-07 20:06]: - something radical has changed no . . . it is no longer possible to SAVE a page as an html file, which one can later open with Mozilla, when Off-Line yes, but different . . . NOW, one needs to be On-Line for the Saved page to be enabled for opening no Is there a Fix ? turn off 'java-script' in your browser. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 00:35 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote: Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb rich3800@: What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of eye matter would make it very hard if not impossible to remove the eye to hold it in front of a scanner for an accurate reading. Well in the movie they always cut off the whole head then.. (dunno if it's working or not, anyway I'd prefer to stay with my head ;D ). Yah... The problem is not only using some body part that will not work if removed, but making sure that the bad guys knows it will not work. You see, they may remove for eye or your head, only to find out it doesn't give them access - but you are none the better! Thus, I'm against biometric security. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBHa0tTMYHG2NR9URAhVaAJ99U6aef4Q2RxSizgokYo6rYgnv7wCgk6Zo H5lHRNtTOwlfz5celUnh734= =djhG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [opensuse] My Yahoo
On Friday 23 March 2007 17:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ... turn off 'java-script' in your browser. That's probably too heavy-handed for most people most of the time. Without JavaScript enabled, many Web sites are quite hobbled. The JavaScript code usually just intercepts keyboard equivalents (something I find onerous, to be sure), but it cannot alter the actions associated with menu commands, so by simply selecting the Save Page As... command from the File menu the original functionality is still available. Like it or not, the Web as we now know it requires JavaScript-enabled browsers. Without JavaScript, we're back to the Web as it was experienced in the '90s and early 2000s. Much is still possible, but much is a not and what remains is a lot more clunky. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 00:12 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote: Dunno about that, but they can be stolen, ie, the finger removed from it's owner... I don't like biometrics unless they can prove the owner is alive an undamaged (and make sure the bad guys know that and don't try to fool the system just in case) :-( Uhm.. we're talking about laptops, right? For private usage, to make it more difficult to get access to the lost files?! Possibly... We're not talking about a military/scientific/top secret or something similar which is worth beeing killed for, right? Credit cards. I heard some thugs already cut fingers to activate some stolen cards. Might be an urban legend, tough. Do you keep bank accounts on your PC? For the later thing I guess I'd prefer a gun next to my head make me reveal the password instead of getting my fingers cut, that's true :D Right! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBHfltTMYHG2NR9URAkrkAKCHh8FkAXSQa/NTf4vqBf+uc9ULiwCfT1ju hLdR6nCNOT80t/ihU5lddok= =XOu8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SUSE 9.0 iso images?
Ben Rosenberg wrote: Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the iso images for SUSE 9.0? I have to do some testing and one of our production platforms still uses this version. I don't have the disks or iso images because this machine existed prior to me joining my current group at work. And of course they don't have them either. Any help would rock. Thanks! - Ben Hi Big Ben. I still have a set of the 5-DVD's here for 9.0. If you can give me an ftp or ssh/scp access to a machine I can sent them to you. Any response to this email probably ought to be direct to me and off the list me thinks. Cheers. Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] dbus-daemon and other stuff
Hi, On 3/23/07, jef peeraer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * i'll had to disable beagle, because it ate all my ram. is it possible, to let it run at night only, or when a user is logged out ? Which process is it? If it's the beagle-build-index process, that's the system-wide crawler that runs once a day. Unfortunately the way openSUSE works out of the box is to run that daily cron jobs are run 15 minutes after you first install the distro and then at that time every day. Since most of us install our machines in the middle of the day, this is usually the *most* inconvenient time to run these jobs. There was a bug open about that before, but I can't find it now. Anyway, you can edit the /etc/sysconfig/cron file to set it to run in the middle of the night, which I strongly recommend. Remember to run SuSEconfig afterward. You should also upgrade to 0.2.16.3, in the openSUSE build service and available from here: http://software.opensuse.org/download/Beagle/ which will use a lot less memory when building the indexes. If it's the beagled or beagle-helper processes, these are the per-user session processes which actually handle searches and index user data. You can't run those while the user is logged out, but again the updated version above will be much better behaved. If it's still a problem afterward, you can follow up by me privately and we'll see if we can track down the issue. Thanks, Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] My Yahoo
* Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-23-07 21:03]: On Friday 23 March 2007 17:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ... turn off 'java-script' in your browser. That's probably too heavy-handed for most people most of the time. Without JavaScript enabled, many Web sites are quite hobbled. [...] true, but his question was to observe 'saved' pages w/o going off-line and disabling java-script will accomplish that to 'observe that saved page'. I was not proposing doing w/o java-script. You read that into it. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Booting laptop with wireless disable
On Friday 23 March 2007, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Anybody has this problem?, i can't boot a Dell Inspiron 6400 with Wifi disabled (Fn+F2), the boot process just hangs on some point. But if i reenable the wifi card and reset the laptop it just boots fine, weird Ciro I've not had that problem on my 9400. I do that fairly frequently when flying. If you have a npt time sync started as a service you might try turning that off. It could be its waiting forever for that to come up. Have you pressed escape to watch the messages and see where its hanging? Some times you can press ctrl-C to abort the single process that is holding up boot. (Provided it is not a basic hardware glitch). If none of the above work, zip on over to the dell site and see if there is new bios. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] My Yahoo
On Friday 23 March 2007 18:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-23-07 21:03]: On Friday 23 March 2007 17:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ... turn off 'java-script' in your browser. That's probably too heavy-handed for most people most of the time. Without JavaScript enabled, many Web sites are quite hobbled. [...] true, but his question was to observe 'saved' pages w/o going off-line and disabling java-script will accomplish that to 'observe that saved page'. I was not proposing doing w/o java-script. You read that into it. Your statement was unconditional and uncontextualized. Nothing was read into it, it is what it is. Nor is it the only prescription for solving the OP's problem. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] dclock が複 数表示される.... (_ _?
Quoting Carlos F Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 22 March 2007 07:15, Masaru Nomiya wrote: pete On Thursday 22 March 2007, 野宮 賢 / NOMIYA Masaru wrote: pete 野宮です． [...] pete 「先端技術の開発は、優れた頭脳を持つ人間が集中しないと成功しない。 pete しかし、技術開発と、それが何をもたらすかを考えることは別だ。 pete 一人の人間に二つは望めない。」 -- M. Crichton -- pete I thought this was the english speaking/typwritten list .. Sorry, just mispost. I intended to post opensuse-ja ML. ^^;; No problem, Masaru. Actually, I want to thank you for your faux pas. I quite enjoyed seeing these beautiful characters among the boring, repetitive Roman characters in this list. They are fascinating. Carlos FL And it was interesting to see how my terminal emulator handled kanji et al. (Answer: xterm is good enough for occasional use, not good enough for everyday use. Lines of kanji/hiragana etc. don't seem to quite line up with roman character lines and the space between lines isn't completely blanked. Paging forward, then back erases the noise.) Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] dbus-daemon and other stuff
Joe Shaw wrote: Anyway, you can edit the /etc/sysconfig/cron file to set it to run in the middle of the night, which I strongly recommend. I only noticed that setting on my third install. Via Yast, System, etc/sysconfig Editor, System, Cron, DAILY_TIME. Here set the time you want your daily cron jobs to run. Works great. Remember to run SuSEconfig afterward. This is done automatically if done through Yast. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] My Yahoo
* Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-23-07 22:31]: [...] Your statement was unconditional and uncontextualized. True, a single problem was presented and a solution posed. Nothing was read into it, it is what it is. If you say so. Nor is it the only prescription for solving the OP's problem. Again, 'a solution was posed', not THE solution. There may exist a thousand thousand solutions. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] My Yahoo
On Friday 23 March 2007 19:30, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 18:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-23-07 21:03]: On Friday 23 March 2007 17:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ... turn off 'java-script' in your browser. That's probably too heavy-handed for most people most of the time. Without JavaScript enabled, many Web sites are quite hobbled. [...] true, but his question was to observe 'saved' pages w/o going off-line and disabling java-script will accomplish that to 'observe that saved page'. I was not proposing doing w/o java-script. You read that into it. Your statement was unconditional and uncontextualized. Nothing was read into it, it is what it is. Nor is it the only prescription for solving the OP's problem. It's also true that simply using the menu is much simpler than digging into the preferences to disable JavaScript. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Konsole developer seeking input
On Friday 23 March 2007 11:38:48 am Dave Crouse wrote: :) Funny you should mention this. it's the very first thing i put BACK on my taskbar when doing a new install ;) Thanks for the link to the survey. Crouse Site Admin. OpenSuse.us Thanks for the link to the survey, John. You are all familiar with the Add Applet to Panel list? Especially the Terminal Sessions button? There is one for Konqueror Profiles as well. This puts an icon on the taskbar with a mini-menu list of options. Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] User permission problems - plz help!
On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 22:23 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote: Other priviledge problem, that I would like to solve: Why simple utilities, such as ifconfig and traceroute require root priviledges ? I think you just don't have PATH to the commands. Try full path like: /usr/sbin/traceroute 4.2.2.2 If it works, then check echo $PATH. Toshi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] public and private key locations [another problem]
On Friday 23 March 2007 06:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: The Friday 2007-03-23 at 00:22 -0400, Bob S wrote: After sending off the reply to you I did some more investigation. When trying to decrypt my files I get a message that it cannot locate my secret key. Where is that located??? ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg-- secret. If you overwrite it, you destroy any other secret keys you may have created. You need to import it, meaning you have to export it first from 10.0 There might be something also in ~/.gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ Nothing in that file. Thanks for replying Carlos, That did it..somewhat.. What I did was rename those two files in 10.2 and then import the files from 10.0 Then it seemed as though I was able to decrypt the files. Except that they did not show up anywhere. In other words, I clicked on the file, it asked me for the password, which I then gave, it accepted it and then the decrypted file never appeared. Is there another config file or something that tells gpg what to do with the decrypted file. Bob S. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linus loves GPL v2 ---- and is not on a crusade
On Friday 23 March 2007 16:08, Robert Smits wrote: hi Bob, thanks for your comments, And I think that the distinctions being made between Free and Open Source are not worth fighting over. When you read the definition of Open Source at http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php and then look at the FSF at http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html for their definition of Free software it certainly doesn't look like there is very much, if any practical difference. You are correct in that from a practical standpoint there is not much difference, at least as far as good open software goes. You are also correct that the difference is not worth fighting over. However, you might consider that the difference (freedom) is still worth fighting for. The practical aspects of open source have been touted (for good business reason) and have largely been successful; however, freedom is seldom mentioned... and that is not a mute point. The practical ends are very similar... good open software; However, the motivations (goals and values) of each are markedly different... and it is those very goals and values of free software that are under attack by M$--- exacerbated via capitulation by Novell. What is worth fighting over is the right to use, to create, and to modify non-proprietary software. You insist there is this vast difference between Open Source and Free Software - I don't see such a vast difference. The difference is freedom. Not all open source software is free (as in freedom) nor are the goals and values of free software advocates necessarily promoted via open source software. I highly recommend this article by RMS explaining why open source is missing the point of Free Software: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html (good, that saved me five pages of paraphrasing) What I do see is that fighting about whether Free or Open Source is the correct model diverts people from dealing with the real enemy - those that want us all in a proprietary, locked down world of copywrongs and patents and DRM. That is not without some truth; which is why we must state again and again that the enemy is *not* open source proponents (as such) but proprietary software. Its like having a problem in the family... both partners (spouses) need to focus on the problem and not make the other spouse into the problem. Well interoperability does affect many of the rest of us. We don't live in a world where there aren't real costs to adopting free or open-source software. Interoperability removes barriers to adoption of free or open-source software. The more people who have and use free or open-source software, the more allies we can enlist in overcoming the proprietary world. I understand this as well; however, think beyond M$ to MP3 or Flash. We should *never* capitulate to the enemy over their formats... if the format is closed we don't use it--- period. If I can't read your format... I don't need your format. If more folks stood their ground on this point *everyone* would begin using *free* formats, and *free* software. To use RMS' analogy (tired as it is) think free access (as in freedom) instead of price (as in free beer). The question ought to be whether people can do the work they need to do with free or open-source software or not. If they cannot - either because the software hasn't been written in an free or open-source software version or the free or open-source software version doesn't do what the user needs then they are much less likely to adopt free or open-source software and instead will stick to the proprietary versions. This is where we (respectfully) part company. *My* work must *never* depend upon closed formats or closed (proprietary) software... it never will again... period. (ever!) Those who give up essential liberty to gain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety--- Ben Franklin. Freedom is worth more to me than that. But everyone must make this decision for themselves. Every task must have an open alternative... if it doesn't exist yet, then it is high time to invent it. That's why I'm glad to see, for example, the ability to read the new M$ Office file format for documents being supported in Open Office. Because I NEED the ability, at work, on my Linux computer, to read files sent by those still stuck in the M$ world. It's not because I want to generate them it's because I need to be able to read them. So interoperability is really useful even if all the software you use is non-proprietary. This is an example of interoperability that is beneficial. The *format* is free (as in freedom) and free software (as in freedom) can be used to read the *free* format. Great! If this is what is meant by interoperability (as an example) then fine. The problem comes in when interoperability means that open source software contains
Re: [opensuse] Booting laptop with wireless disable
I've not had that problem on my 9400. I do that fairly frequently when flying. If you have a npt time sync started as a service you might try turning that off. It could be its waiting forever for that to come up. If you mean ntp, i don't have any ntp server setup, and at home i don't have an AP, so it isn't syncronizing through wifi or anything like that anyway Have you pressed escape to watch the messages and see where its hanging? The last line is always something about the floppy drive (not detected i guess), but that's normal, can't see any errors, it just hangs there Some times you can press ctrl-C to abort the single process that is holding up boot. (Provided it is not a basic hardware glitch). If none of the above work, zip on over to the dell site and see if there is new bios. Already got the latest Bios -- _ John Andersen Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Booting laptop with wireless disable
Yup, although the machine was running Ubuntu, disable wifi and it just locks up halfway through booting. It is weird. Matthew Well, i'm not alone -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linus loves GPL v2 ---- and is not on a crusade
M Harris wrote: I understand this as well; however, think beyond M$ to MP3 or Flash. We should *never* capitulate to the enemy over their formats... if the format is closed we don't use it--- period. If I can't read your format... I don't need your format. If more folks stood their ground on this point *everyone* would begin using *free* formats, and *free* software. To use RMS' analogy (tired as it is) think free access (as in freedom) instead of price (as in free beer). I respect the sort of purity of principle you're going for, here, but it's a bit like declaring that you will only drive cars that run on hydrogen. It's noble, but you won't be taking many trips. What good is ideologically pure software that no one uses because it's impractical? Even people who don't use proprietary formats *anymore* inevitably have old documents in those formats. And they have to exchange documents with people who only know how to use closed-source formats. If an HR department demands my resume as a DOC file I'm probably not going to get a job by arguing with them. ;) Every task must have an open alternative... if it doesn't exist yet, then it is high time to invent it. And there's part of the rub. What open source packages get written depends entirely on what people find fun and interesting, because open source developers don't usually get paid to write open source software. This is why, for example, there are dozens of open-source music players but very few open-source accounting packages. There are dozens of different open-source window managers but no industrial-quality CAD programs. The open-source software world's ability to draw cool-looking screen savers knows no bounds, but the best open-source word processors are still playing catchup with MS Office. People aren't going to do the boring stuff for free. Why would they? ...the M$ history has such a depth and scope that no one can deny that their intentions *this* time are also probably evil. When I hear language like this all I can think of is the run-up to the Iraq war. RMS and his ilk, like George Bush, believe the world divides neatly into two camps. People are either for OSS, or they're The Enemy. In the real world it's a lot more complicated. Extremism never solves problems, it only creates them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2: YOU resets /root/ permissions?
Johnny Ernst Nielsen wrote: It can be discussed, if people are interested. sure, they are :-). Don't forget many people read the list (and never write) to be ahead of possible problems, having solutions at hand. We can have one day the very same problem you have and be very glad to remember it has been already discussed :-)) So I have written a small service script to check the ink level if you happen to have time (and want) to do so, giving on the wiki (even here) a copy of your script could certainly be of interest for many users. changed permissions of /root. There is nothing secret in /root that I am aware of. are you aware of all that is stored in . files? like ssh keys, as other said? don't you have there a /root/bin folder with some root executables? I also wish to keep the number of directories to back up to a minimum -- /root and /home. better create a folder in /home where most users can read (can be a link to /var/log). However I'm not a security guru :-() jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SUSE 9.0 iso images?
On Mar 23, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 02:27:47PM -0500, Ben Rosenberg wrote: Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the iso images for SUSE 9.0? I have to do some testing and one of our production platforms still uses this version. I don't have the disks or iso images because this machine existed prior to me joining my current group at work. And of course they don't have them either. Any help would rock. Do you mean SUSE Linux 9.0 or SUSE LInux Enterprise Server 9? Do not use SUSE Linux 9.0 anymore, it has been out of support for a year now. Ciao, Marcus Yes, I'm quite aware of the state of SUSE Linux 9.0. The reason I need it is that we have some servers that are heavily ACL'ed via the switches they are on and have hugely restrictive iptables rules .. but they do run 9.0 and in order to replace them I must do a base set of benchmarks the software they currently use on a test system running the same version of the OS. I will then have to test SUSE 10.2, Fedora Core 6 and Ubuntu 6.10. I'm not happy about it, but the PHB's in upper management are requiring it. I threw away 6.0 - 9.2 almost a year ago thinking I'd be upgrading away from 9.0 within a few months. I was wrong and now I need copies. :D I've contacted one of the others to get iso's. Thanks all. :D - Ben -- We should forgive our enemies. But not before they are hanged. Heinrich Heine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-packaging] NTFS-3G driver and openSUSE 10.3 integration
hi all ! I really would like to see full integration between openSUSE 10.3 and the new NTFS-3G driver (with good Yast support of the new driver). What do you think of it? -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] NTFS-3G driver and openSUSE 10.3 integration
On 2007-03-23 12:45:50 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote: I really would like to see full integration between openSUSE 10.3 and the new NTFS-3G driver (with good Yast support of the new driver). What do you think of it? what kind of integration do you have in mind? darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Please consider including VirtualBox with openSUSE 10.3
Hi Andreas ! Please file a bug in bugzilla, I agree, it should be made available, OK, I have filled a bugzilla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=257159 You have said, that you will review my case. Thanks in Advance. I have good news: I have documented the new - Seamless Mode Virtualization ! This is truly Revolutionary technology - allows you to run DualOS side-by-side ! screenshot: http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/ticket/149/snapshot-Win-a.jpg discussion: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/149 This is the Virtualization of the Future ! -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
