Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:13:07 +0200 (CEST), Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: >Fuck off if you have no rational contributions. > >I feel it a pain that some of us think they have to argue during the >voting phase. That does it: PLONK Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Craig Millar wrote: On 17/08/06 01:17 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Pete Connolly wrote: On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:13, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: But you have to understand, I feel the need to kick any ass which is levering against my face. Don't worry, I wouldn't dare put my ass against your face. Your attitude sucks, and thats probably not all. This is indeed a very strong argument for the missing "Reply-To". Indeed! Crazy. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
On 17/08/06 01:17 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Pete Connolly wrote: > >On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:13, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > >>But you have to understand, I feel the need to kick any ass which is > >>levering against my face. > > > >Don't worry, I wouldn't dare put my ass against your face. Your attitude > >sucks, and thats probably not all. > > This is indeed a very strong argument for the missing "Reply-To". Indeed! Fact is, this is not really an issue worth getting heated over (n.b. the number of "don't care" responses to the list), so could we all just wait (im)patiently for the results and let normal service resume? One way or the other, advocates from one of the factions is going to have to perform a little extra work to send the messages to the intended recipient. The poor diddums. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Pete Connolly wrote: On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:13, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Martin Schröder wrote: 2006/8/16, Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Yes! Remember, you are communicating through a mailing list server! The list is the default goal! Are you _sure_ that you want all your flaming and vitriol on the list? I for sure don't. Fuck off if you have no rational contributions. Very classy reply. Really, really class. You must be proud of the volume of shite you're causing. Yes, I really need that. You know, my real Ego is so tiny... I feel it a pain that some of us think they have to argue during the voting phase. But you have to understand, I feel the need to kick any ass which is levering against my face. Don't worry, I wouldn't dare put my ass against your face. Your attitude sucks, and thats probably not all. This is indeed a very strong argument for the missing "Reply-To". And you should have understood that before you replied - so what is your real intention to piss me at the knee here? I have a two year old and a four year old boy as sons. I see better behaviour from them than I see from you. Grow up, then come back and talk to us. Crazy. It must be solely your natural stupidity that you like to tell us this here. This discussion is getting way too stupid. Can I vote to disregard everyone and allow Henne to decide the policy he wants on the list? Everyone else can just learn how to post regardless of how the bloody headers are set. It's not really that important. Not really. Think about it. Seriously, this is stupid and unconstructive. Eberhard, go away and relieve your too obvious tension however feel you need to. It's an email list, not The Rapture. I will cope with whatever the list does, somehow. If this means I change what key I press to reply to a private post or a list post, I'm sure my brain will handle it. Everyone who can't perform a 'reset' on an email list probably shouldn't be on it. Darwin and all that. This discussion is getting stupid now, there are more important things to discuss. You missed the point and did not even see it. The matter is not "to perform" anything against the wrong list server setup, but to setup the list server in the most convenient way. Excuse me please that I have taken you more serious than you are worth it. It will not happen again. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Thomas Hertweck wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: [...] You are wrong. I have *arguments*. You have *opinions*. [...] Yes! Remember, you are communicating through a mailing list server! The list is the default goal! This is your opinion. This is crazy. You are arguing like a child which has pissed into a public sand box. No chance. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 22:13, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Martin Schröder wrote: > > 2006/8/16, Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Yes! Remember, you are communicating through a mailing list server! > >> The list is the default goal! > > > > Are you _sure_ that you want all your flaming and vitriol on the list? > > I for sure don't. > > Fuck off if you have no rational contributions. Very classy reply. Really, really class. You must be proud of the volume of shite you're causing. > I feel it a pain that some of us think they have to argue during the > voting phase. > > But you have to understand, I feel the need to kick any ass which is > levering against my face. Don't worry, I wouldn't dare put my ass against your face. Your attitude sucks, and thats probably not all. > And you should have understood that before you replied - so what is your > real intention to piss me at the knee here? > > Cheers -e I have a two year old and a four year old boy as sons. I see better behaviour from them than I see from you. Grow up, then come back and talk to us. This discussion is getting way too stupid. Can I vote to disregard everyone and allow Henne to decide the policy he wants on the list? Everyone else can just learn how to post regardless of how the bloody headers are set. It's not really that important. Not really. Think about it. Seriously, this is stupid and unconstructive. Eberhard, go away and relieve your too obvious tension however feel you need to. It's an email list, not The Rapture. I will cope with whatever the list does, somehow. If this means I change what key I press to reply to a private post or a list post, I'm sure my brain will handle it. Everyone who can't perform a 'reset' on an email list probably shouldn't be on it. Darwin and all that. This discussion is getting stupid now, there are more important things to discuss. Cheers Pete - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > [...] > You are wrong. I have *arguments*. You have *opinions*. > [...] > Yes! Remember, you are communicating through a mailing list server! > The list is the default goal! This is your opinion. You can't know how a user would like to send his answer. Neither do I. And that's why the choice should be up to the user and it should not be made by a list server! You numbers might be right for you, but you can't conclude from your situation that it's similar for all other people. Although the majority of my answers goes back to the mailing list, there is also a significant amount that is being sent by PM. You are right that new users might not know about a list reply functionality in e.g. Kmail. But should this be a reason for a reply-to set by the server? From my point of view, clearly no. This is a step backwards. The new user might be happy to learn something, and from then on he can use it like so many other people... > [...] > So maybe you have found the appropriate mail tool for you. Lucky guy. I think you're pissed off because something is not going the way you'd like to have it. Now you behave like a small child and you riot until you get what you want. Maybe you will, so be it. Some time ago, you said "This is so crazy that I tend to resign all my activity (including reading) here" - when reading all your flames, provocations, personal hostilities etc. here on this list, and unfortunately there are numerous examples in the archive, I think this would not be such a bad idea... And thanks for sending a CC: although being fully aware of it (it has been filtered here, by the way) - this really shows that you don't care at all about others. This is my last email in this thread. The whole discussion is really ridiculous. Cheers, Th. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Martin Schröder wrote: 2006/8/16, Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Yes! Remember, you are communicating through a mailing list server! The list is the default goal! Are you _sure_ that you want all your flaming and vitriol on the list? I for sure don't. Fuck off if you have no rational contributions. I feel it a pain that some of us think they have to argue during the voting phase. But you have to understand, I feel the need to kick any ass which is levering against my face. And you should have understood that before you replied - so what is your real intention to piss me at the knee here? Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
2006/8/16, Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Yes! Remember, you are communicating through a mailing list server! The list is the default goal! Are you _sure_ that you want all your flaming and vitriol on the list? I for sure don't. Best Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Thomas Hertweck wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: [...] With a list server attached "Reply-To", _NOT_ANY_ handcrafting would be necessary _ANYWHERE_. This is plain wrong. You are wrong. If there is a reply-to set by the server, the email will always go back to the list whether I use the "Reply" or "List Reply" functionality. Yes! Remember, you are communicating through a mailing list server! The list is the default goal! So I need to edit the address field if I want to send a private answer (and yes, this happens quite often). If I use the "Reply All" functionality, I need to edit the address field as well in this case because I have to remove the list address. I definitely call this "handcrafting" and it disproves your statement cited above. Your "if" is about 0.1%. The other 99.9% is: reply to the list. So the choice is to configure the list server so that either 1 or 999 hands have to craft to get it right. On the other hand, if the server does *not* insert a reply-to, then there is really no handcraft necessary. I can use "Reply" to send a private message only, I can use "List Reply" to send my email to the list, and I can use "Reply All" to send a private email with a CC: to the list. Perfect! So maybe you have found the appropriate mail tool for you. Lucky guy. Now you ask everybody who uses a list reply to give up this functionality just because you want it in a different way? That's a bit odd... What exactly would you have to give up? Plain nothing! You simply would need one more move in 1 of 1000 cases, but the other 999 cases would get a chance to do it right without extra thoughts and extra actions. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > [...] > > With a list server attached "Reply-To", _NOT_ANY_ handcrafting would be > necessary _ANYWHERE_. This is plain wrong. If there is a reply-to set by the server, the email will always go back to the list whether I use the "Reply" or "List Reply" functionality. So I need to edit the address field if I want to send a private answer (and yes, this happens quite often). If I use the "Reply All" functionality, I need to edit the address field as well in this case because I have to remove the list address. I definitely call this "handcrafting" and it disproves your statement cited above. On the other hand, if the server does *not* insert a reply-to, then there is really no handcraft necessary. I can use "Reply" to send a private message only, I can use "List Reply" to send my email to the list, and I can use "Reply All" to send a private email with a CC: to the list. Perfect! Now you ask everybody who uses a list reply to give up this functionality just because you want it in a different way? That's a bit odd... Cheers, Th. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
>> Of course you get it twice. I bet you are not subscribed to LKML where >> this happens _any time_. As soon as you replied, your address will rest in >> the Cc forever until someone takes it out manually > > well... most users remove the unwanted adress, as I do and so I do _not_ > receive the mails twice with seamonkey without any tweeking (except yours and > eberhart's :-() From: jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: opensuse@opensuse.org (r)eply, Reply to all recipients Yes => to: jdd, cc: opensuse No => to: jdd Simple, two mails. No? Now, if a Reply-To header was present, pine would do sth like "Use Reply-To or not?" and, in case I said yes, only do to: Therefore, reply-to is some people's preferred thing. In case you want the to/cc one, one would just need to say 'no' to 'use reply-to'. Jan Engelhardt -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Jan Engelhardt a écrit : Of course you get it twice. I bet you are not subscribed to LKML where this happens _any time_. As soon as you replied, your address will rest in the Cc forever until someone takes it out manually well... most users remove the unwanted adress, as I do and so I do _not_ receive the mails twice with seamonkey without any tweeking (except yours and eberhart's :-() jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
* Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [08-16-06 10:04]: > Of course you get it twice. I bet you are not subscribed to LKML > where this happens _any time_. As soon as you replied, your address > will rest in the Cc forever until someone takes it out manually (or > hopefully the thread dies some time). And of course, linux-kernel@ is > also in the Cc or To field, ergo, you get it twice. Yes, there are > some occasions when you only get one mail: when an MTA is able to > figure out that you are listed twice, e.g.: > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: blubb > > I will only get this mail once. But the MTA of Mr. Anonymous User > does not know that the linux-kernel@ (or opensuse, or whatever) > address contains myself too. me 2, once :^) # --- LOCKFILE = msgid.cache.lock :0 Whc: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 8192 msgid.cache LOCKFILE ### save duplicates in case of error #:0 a: #$MAILDIR/duplicates # no errors in > 1 year, -> bit_bucket :0 a: /dev/null # --- -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
>> From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. >> >> Cheers -e > of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two > different adresses?) Of course you get it twice. I bet you are not subscribed to LKML where this happens _any time_. As soon as you replied, your address will rest in the Cc forever until someone takes it out manually (or hopefully the thread dies some time). And of course, linux-kernel@ is also in the Cc or To field, ergo, you get it twice. Yes, there are some occasions when you only get one mail: when an MTA is able to figure out that you are listed twice, e.g.: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: blubb I will only get this mail once. But the MTA of Mr. Anonymous User does not know that the linux-kernel@ (or opensuse, or whatever) address contains myself too. Jan Engelhardt -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With a list server attached "Reply-To", _NOT_ANY_ handcrafting would be > necessary _ANYWHERE_. I'd have to set the broken-reply-to flag for Gnus--otherwise pressing (r)eply would do the wrong thing. > Please tell me a practical reason... I do not see anything else than > a chance for posters to use "split addresses", i.e. to direct list > answers away from the list. Still enough mails, more than enough mails! will find their way onto the list ;) I like it to receive messages twice if somebody answers my mailinglist contributions--one message will go into the ML folder and the other one into my default folder. If you don't like it, just set reply-to to opensuse@opensuse.org for this list. That's possible, but if the ML pretends to own the reply-to field, participants cannot make use of this field. Not setting reply-to is just a good thing to secure your personal data; setting reply-to is just too dangerous for users new to MLs. Join a ML such as Internet in Bibliotheken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and you will quickly see what the problem with setting reply-to. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH Key fingerprint = B2A3 AF2F CFC8 40B1 67EA 475A 5903 A21B 06EB 882E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Karl Eichwalder wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You do not know what you are speaking about. I have just gone through such a matter in suse-sles-e, with a lengthy thread which since long did no more interest me, but some of the posters again and again did the default reply. Add "Mail-Copies-To: never" to your message header and hope the best. At least, Gnus honors this setting. With a list server attached "Reply-To", _NOT_ANY_ handcrafting would be necessary _ANYWHERE_. BTW, I appreciate the removal of the Reply-To setting--but I do not vote. Please tell me a practical reason... I do not see anything else than a chance for posters to use "split addresses", i.e. to direct list answers away from the list. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You do not know what you are speaking about. > I have just gone through such a matter in suse-sles-e, with a lengthy > thread which since long did no more interest me, but some of the posters > again and again did the default reply. Add "Mail-Copies-To: never" to your message header and hope the best. At least, Gnus honors this setting. BTW, I appreciate the removal of the Reply-To setting--but I do not vote. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH Key fingerprint = B2A3 AF2F CFC8 40B1 67EA 475A 5903 A21B 06EB 882E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I do see your point now but I don't think so. the eberhart post make me feel there is more than the reply-to problem. if he receives twice _all_ the posts of the thread, this is _not_ a reply-to problem... You should read more carefully if you like to answer as much as you like... Almost all. From the moment on when you have posted and somebody answers without editing the headers, just like this post. Cheers -e well. usually I remove the private adress when relpying (but I can forgot sometimes) actually, if somebody hit "reply all" and do not remove the unwanted adresses, these adresses are stacked, that is the mail can be sent to much more than two recipient however it's difficult to do this without noticing it (and I suppose you know that, but many on this list don't seems to know, as they keep sending multiple messages) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I do see your point now but I don't think so. the eberhart post make me feel there is more than the reply-to problem. if he receives twice _all_ the posts of the thread, this is _not_ a reply-to problem... You should read more carefully if you like to answer as much as you like... Almost all. From the moment on when you have posted and somebody answers without editing the headers, just like this post. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I do see your point now but I don't think so. the eberhart post make me feel there is more than the reply-to problem. if he receives twice _all_ the posts of the thread, this is _not_ a reply-to problem... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 20:13 +0200, jdd wrote: > Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : > > > From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. > > I of course don't receive twice the thread. but this lead me > to a question: > > who do receive _all_ the messages twice? > > I understand _this_ could upset someone, but is so we must > find why, this is definitively _not_ the normal way of the list. > > only if anybody > > * answer your very own post > * never delete the personal adress from the post > > you should receive all the message twice. > > Notice this: if somebody answer to the list & the personal > adress and _you_ try to answer to his message, you end up > with _three_ adresses, the original one, the sender one and > the list one. so it's really better, when you answer, to > remove the unwanted adresses > > jdd > I do see your point now but, I still do _not_ need to receive two copies of a reply simply because that person is too lazy to edit the To: field. You ask everyone else to accept the way your non-conformist client works which is wrong. The better option is to get Mozilla to fix their product. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) You do not know what you are speaking about. yes I do :-) and I receive your message only once :-) (as most of the thread messages) jdd (receive ~ 400 mails a day...) You have a special kind of childishness. Something between stupid and nasty. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) You do not know what you are speaking about. yes I do :-) and I receive your message only once :-) (as most of the thread messages) jdd (receive ~ 400 mails a day...) -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Notice this: if somebody answer to the list & the personal adress and _you_ try to answer to his message, you end up with _three_ adresses, the original one, the sender one and the list one. so it's really better, when you answer, to remove the unwanted adresses You must have gone crazy thinking I need you to tell me that... I have voted for "add Reply-To" - guess why until you fall into dust. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) You do not know what you are speaking about. I have just gone through such a matter in suse-sles-e, with a lengthy thread which since long did no more interest me, but some of the posters again and again did the default reply. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. I of course don't receive twice the thread. but this lead me to a question: who do receive _all_ the messages twice? I understand _this_ could upset someone, but is so we must find why, this is definitively _not_ the normal way of the list. only if anybody * answer your very own post * never delete the personal adress from the post you should receive all the message twice. Notice this: if somebody answer to the list & the personal adress and _you_ try to answer to his message, you end up with _three_ adresses, the original one, the sender one and the list one. so it's really better, when you answer, to remove the unwanted adresses jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. Cheers -e of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I'm on three suse lists that generate over 200 emails a day and now you want me to receive over 400 because your email client does not work correctly. This is just plain stupid. Use a client that works with lists. you wont receive _all_ the mails twice. only the ones that answers one of your own post From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I'm on three suse lists that generate over 200 emails a day and now you want me to receive over 400 because your email client does not work correctly. This is just plain stupid. Use a client that works with lists. you wont receive _all_ the mails twice. only the ones that answers one of your own post jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 12:57 +0200, jdd wrote: > Tilman Vogel a écrit : > > > Ok, I am using Mozilla Thunderbird Version 1.5.0.5 (20060725). Could you > > please elaborate on how I can get around the following procedure in > > order to get decent replying behaviour? > > > > 1) Click "reply all" > > 2) Remove "To: Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > > 3) Change "CC: opensuse@opensuse.org" to "To: opensuse@opensuse.org" > > just to note than: > > * the 3) is not necessary, the mail with a "cc" and without > "to" is sent without problem (at least on seamonkey) > > * the 2) is often recommanded, but having from time to time > to delete one more mail is a thing I can live with > > so, think to always hit "reply to all" on any list you > use... and your mail will always be received > ? I'm on three suse lists that generate over 200 emails a day and now you want me to receive over 400 because your email client does not work correctly. This is just plain stupid. Use a client that works with lists. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Tilman Vogel a écrit : Ok, I am using Mozilla Thunderbird Version 1.5.0.5 (20060725). Could you please elaborate on how I can get around the following procedure in order to get decent replying behaviour? 1) Click "reply all" 2) Remove "To: Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" 3) Change "CC: opensuse@opensuse.org" to "To: opensuse@opensuse.org" just to note than: * the 3) is not necessary, the mail with a "cc" and without "to" is sent without problem (at least on seamonkey) * the 2) is often recommanded, but having from time to time to delete one more mail is a thing I can live with so, think to always hit "reply to all" on any list you use... and your mail will always be received jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hello, Tilman Vogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-08-14]: > Bernhard Walle schrieb: > > Now, where KMail and even Mozilla Thunderbird and Seamonkey have > > support for it (and Sylpheed Claws, but that's not well-known) > > should we change? > > Ok, I am using Mozilla Thunderbird Version 1.5.0.5 (20060725). Could you > please elaborate on how I can get around the following procedure in > order to get decent replying behaviour? > > 1) Click "reply all" > 2) Remove "To: Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > 3) Change "CC: opensuse@opensuse.org" to "To: opensuse@opensuse.org" > > With the "Reply-To" method, I just click on reply and everything works > as desired. Get the lastest Thunderbird RPMs from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/experimental/10.1 and install the extension at http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension&7. See also http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.devel/3416. Regards, Bernhard -- Das Leben ist nur ein Moment, der Tod ist auch nur einer. -- Schiller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bernhard Walle schrieb: > Now, where KMail and even Mozilla Thunderbird and Seamonkey have > support for it (and Sylpheed Claws, but that's not well-known) > should we change? Ok, I am using Mozilla Thunderbird Version 1.5.0.5 (20060725). Could you please elaborate on how I can get around the following procedure in order to get decent replying behaviour? 1) Click "reply all" 2) Remove "To: Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" 3) Change "CC: opensuse@opensuse.org" to "To: opensuse@opensuse.org" With the "Reply-To" method, I just click on reply and everything works as desired. Tilman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE4KOh9ZPu6Yae8lkRAhwIAKClwVdku9E6wXbeAsEcIWmX0RJEtgCePZy6 eH2l8HRqIAJzwXJxVhvmGWs= =i6q4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Bernhard Walle wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-08-14]: On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Henne Vogelsang wrote: What do you want me to do? Except of course only listen to you personally and let you personally decide. I got that part. Just add back the Reply-To header line. It helps in 99.9%, and it does no harm for the remaining 0.1%. Well, I think we had the current setup (no reply to) for over five years in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it worked. In these times, only Mutt had support for list reply (from the "well-known" mailers). Now, where KMail and even Mozilla Thunderbird and Seamonkey have support for it (and Sylpheed Claws, but that's not well-known) should we change? Should we really take care of Outlook and Outlook Express mailers in a Linux mailing list? I think no. It does not work with pine. Again: It helps in 99.9%, and it does no harm for the remaining 0.1%. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hello, Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-08-14]: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > > What do you want me to do? Except of course only listen to you > > personally and let you personally decide. I got that part. > > Just add back the Reply-To header line. > > It helps in 99.9%, and it does no harm for the remaining 0.1%. Well, I think we had the current setup (no reply to) for over five years in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it worked. In these times, only Mutt had support for list reply (from the "well-known" mailers). Now, where KMail and even Mozilla Thunderbird and Seamonkey have support for it (and Sylpheed Claws, but that's not well-known) should we change? Should we really take care of Outlook and Outlook Express mailers in a Linux mailing list? I think no. Regards, Bernhard -- 640 Kilobyte sind genug für jeden. -- Bill Gates (1981) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
