Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 08:25 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote: Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up. This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis - decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys are recognized!! http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser - Install FFX 2.0.0.3 - I had same problem that was solved doing this. I suspect the flash plugin - update that aswell. The machine doesnt really lockup - but flash has this annoying feature of capturing your keyboard and mouse, and not giving it back. In future try a CTRL-ALT-F1 and see if you can login with root and kill the offending process. If not, try SSH into it - if that doesnt work reboot and diagnose using the /var/log/messages log. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
Kai Ponte wrote: ...I left it in the locked state for a few hours. Went off to a meeting, and it has been working perfectly. Could it have been The Return of Beagle? I'd forgotten about the dog, and I have it running. Hi I suspect beagle. I have yet to see this fantastic app do anything but consume fantastic amounts of CPU cycles. Firefox crashed alot when I had beagle and the accompanying firefoxplugin installed, but now it hasn't crashed since uninstalling. -- Regards Kenneth Aar Grafikern -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Thu, May 24, 2007 12:10 am, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: ...I left it in the locked state for a few hours. Went off to a meeting, and it has been working perfectly. Could it have been The Return of Beagle? I'd forgotten about the dog, and I have it running. I currently have KDE System guard running to see if anything is stealing my processes, but so far, it has worked flawlessly for the past hour. Having read the entire thread, I got this stomach gut feeling...it's your X driver. I've seen stuff like this when the display hardware doesn't really like the X driver. Or the other way round. Try digging in that direction. Update: How do I dig in this direction? I just noticed it locking up again last night. I restarted my session in Enlightenmetn, and it locked within about two minutes. It could be hardware, as someone else mentioned, but Vista wasn't locking like this. I have been running memtest since last night, with no ill results. Ideas? When I type tail /var/log/messages I don't see anything strange. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
Hi, On 5/23/07, Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it wasn't. In fact it was locked up tight. HOWEVER... ...I left it in the locked state for a few hours. Went off to a meeting, and it has been working perfectly. Could it have been The Return of Beagle? I'd forgotten about the dog, and I have it running. It's unlikely to be Beagle if your system is locking up hard. The multitasking nature of Linux means that even if one process is hogging all the CPU, the other processes still get to run. Is your hard drive thrashing while it's unresponsive? You could temporarily move /usr/bin/beagled out of the way (and run beagle-shutdown to stop a running daemon) and see if the hangs persist to see if it's Beagle. I'm interested in hearing if it is. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Thursday May 24 2007 8:04:42 am Kai Ponte wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 12:10 am, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: ...I left it in the locked state for a few hours. Went off to a meeting, and it has been working perfectly. Could it have been The Return of Beagle? I'd forgotten about the dog, and I have it running. I currently have KDE System guard running to see if anything is stealing my processes, but so far, it has worked flawlessly for the past hour. Having read the entire thread, I got this stomach gut feeling...it's your X driver. I've seen stuff like this when the display hardware doesn't really like the X driver. Or the other way round. Try digging in that direction. Update: How do I dig in this direction? I just noticed it locking up again last night. I restarted my session in Enlightenmetn, and it locked within about two minutes. It could be hardware, as someone else mentioned, but Vista wasn't locking like this. I have been running memtest since last night, with no ill results. Ideas? When I type tail /var/log/messages I don't see anything strange. Dig in the direction of the video drivers as suggested. Use the default nv, radeon, whichever video driver and see if stability returns. If its really new hardware, make sure you have all the BIOS and firmware updates that are available installed and keep looking for updates. Solid lockups where SSH gets no response and /var/log/messages has no clues are most often video related. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On 5/23/07, Doug McGarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote: I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs? IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel. What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out? --doug The kernel developers got real smart in the last year or so. The main difference between UP and SMP is the locking mechanisms. So in a SMP it makes sense to have a spin-lock. (spin-lock == an infinite loop waiting for a variable to change). In a UP a spin-lock might cause a lockup (Definitely will if interrupts are disabled). The kernel now has self-modifying code. During boot up, the low level locking routines start out in SMP configuration, but if a UP is found the machine code in those routines is replaced with their UP equivalents (often no-ops). I assume they have only done this for the most common CPU types (ie. instruction sets). See http://lwn.net/Articles/164121/ for more details (and accuracy).. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up. This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis - decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys are recognized!! http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser - seems to handle things just fine, but what may be going on? How can I diagnose this? Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz) system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686 TIA! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote: It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)? When it locks can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs? Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up. This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis - decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys are recognized!! http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser - seems to handle things just fine, but what may be going on? How can I diagnose this? Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz) system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686 TIA! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The SMP kernel became the default kernel in 10.2 and later. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wed, May 23, 2007 8:51 am, M Harris wrote: On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote: It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)? When it locks can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead? alt-f1 does nothing. Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. The mouse appears to move, but that's it. I can ping it. I just had it happen while resizing a konqueror window. Wierd. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On 5/23/07, Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 8:51 am, M Harris wrote: On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote: It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much do nothing but power off. Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)? When it locks can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead? alt-f1 does nothing. Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. The mouse appears to move, but that's it. From KDE, I think it is ctrl-alt-f1, etc. Once your at a console, alt-f1, etc. work. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:49, Kai Ponte wrote: I can ping it. I just had it happen while resizing a konqueror window. Open ssh to it... and when it locks see if you can ssh login to it... Trying to find out if the kernel is dead... or just the interface... if you can ping it then at least the card is responding... but probably also the kernel... see if you can ssh into it... -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
Kai Ponte wrote: I can ping it if so you may be able to go in it with ssh. may be only the keyboard is stuck and not the system. try to go with ssh and type init 3 to go to console only (with network) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:49, Kai Ponte wrote: can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead? alt-f1 does nothing. Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. The mouse appears to move, but that's it. Does a ctl-alt-F1 bring up the console? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wed, May 23, 2007 9:47 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz) system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686 The SMP kernel became the default kernel in 10.2 and later. Thank you... ...and I apologize for the off-topic request. I'll get back to more important requests regarding hacker beer, wet t-shirts, gerbils and politics as soon as I figure out my issue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wed, May 23, 2007 9:56 am, Greg Freemyer wrote: ? alt-f1 does nothing. Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. The mouse appears to move, but that's it. From KDE, I think it is ctrl-alt-f1, etc. Once your at a console, alt-f1, etc. work. Yes - and before anyone else freaks out about how to get back (I did) CTRL+ALT+F7 gets you back. :P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, Kai Ponte wrote: Yes - and before anyone else freaks out about how to get back (I did) CTRL+ALT+F7 gets you back. :P But, when you got back... is X (KDE) unlocked? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
Have you tried a different window manager like WindowMaker that one works usually when I have had issues with KDE??? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wed, May 23, 2007 12:19 pm, M Harris wrote: On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, Kai Ponte wrote: Yes - and before anyone else freaks out about how to get back (I did) CTRL+ALT+F7 gets you back. :P But, when you got back... is X (KDE) unlocked? No, it wasn't. In fact it was locked up tight. HOWEVER... ...I left it in the locked state for a few hours. Went off to a meeting, and it has been working perfectly. Could it have been The Return of Beagle? I'd forgotten about the dog, and I have it running. I currently have KDE System guard running to see if anything is stealing my processes, but so far, it has worked flawlessly for the past hour. I wonder if BeagleD or some other rogue process simply had taken over and now is finished doing whatever it was. Go figure! Anyway, back to our regular list full of exciting flame wars, boobie pics and beer threads oh wait. Wrong group. My bad! -- k -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote: I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs? IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote: I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs? IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel. What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 20:57 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote: On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote: I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs? IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel. What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out? No ill effect from what I can tell. I have the same kernels running on my single core desktop, and dual-core laptop, both AMD CPU's. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 17:57, Doug McGarrett wrote: On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote: I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do you have? Anything in the system logs? IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel. What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this out? It works fine. One processor is just a special / degenerate case of SMP, right? The installation process used to sense the processor type and select either SMP or non-SMP (where SMP was selected for Intel's HyperThreading CPUs, too) as appropriate. But the potential problem with that, in addition to Novell having to validate two different kernels, including those released for all security and bug-fix updates issued subsequently, if you started with a non-HT, non-multi-core CPU and then upgraded your hardware to a multi-core (or HT) CPU, you'd continue with the uniprocessor kernel, which works, but fails to exploit the more powerful hardware. Given the increasing likelihood of multi-core or multi-CPU systems, it seems to make sense to make the SMP kernel the single standard one. --doug Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
