Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Friday 30 November 2007, Lubos Lunak said: If you can reproduce without Klipper, replace one of the apps with some other using a different toolkit to find out which of them is causing the problem (i.e. if the problem is with OOo vs Konsole, try with OOo vs GEdit, GEdit vs Konsole, you can use also e.g Firefox or XTerm). Then report a bug for the app to which the problem is specific. Agreed, that's why I asked if the OP could reproduce the acroread problem when copying from KPDF instead further up the thread. Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
Chris Worley wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 3:34 AM, Will Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 27 November 2007 23:34:23 Chris Worley wrote: From my limited testing, killing klipper seems to do the trick... the behavior becomes predictable. Acroread is still an issue, but that's probably application specific. Does copying with Klipper running from KPDF to another app work for you? A matrix of from-app to-app result and Klipper running would be nice if anyone has the time. Klipper is a useful tool (multiple selections, persistent selection after from-app closes, and actions on selecting URLs) and if there is a problem I'd like to fix it. Will, First, I had an instance today where what I had copied didn't get pasted... and klipper wasn't running. It isn't an application/window matrix: even shells of the same konsole sometimes won't paste in one shell what was cut in another. Back in the early 90's I contributed to an app called XHydra, which allowed multiple machines to be controlled from the same keyboard and mouse (i.e. touch the right border of one machines display, and pop into the left border of the adjacent machines display). I specifically worked on the cutpaste part, and found that the machines needed to be time-synchronized exactly in order for the X cutpaste mechanism to work as expected. This feels very much like that timing issue where all machines would paste what was in the cut buffer of the machine with the most advanced time, even though the user had since copied something from a machine whose time was not as advanced. There was even one occasion when I had cut pasted successfully, then went to paste the same thing again, and the second paste reverted back to what was previously cut! Chris Will One thing I've observed with cut and paste under X is that if the source application is closed, cut or copied text won't paste. Presumably this is because the paste event asks the originating app. for the text. I'd think this is probably not the cause here, but I just thought I'd throw it in to the mix. Russell Jones -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Nov 28, 2007 3:34 AM, Will Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 27 November 2007 23:34:23 Chris Worley wrote: From my limited testing, killing klipper seems to do the trick... the behavior becomes predictable. Acroread is still an issue, but that's probably application specific. Does copying with Klipper running from KPDF to another app work for you? A matrix of from-app to-app result and Klipper running would be nice if anyone has the time. Klipper is a useful tool (multiple selections, persistent selection after from-app closes, and actions on selecting URLs) and if there is a problem I'd like to fix it. Will, First, I had an instance today where what I had copied didn't get pasted... and klipper wasn't running. It isn't an application/window matrix: even shells of the same konsole sometimes won't paste in one shell what was cut in another. Back in the early 90's I contributed to an app called XHydra, which allowed multiple machines to be controlled from the same keyboard and mouse (i.e. touch the right border of one machines display, and pop into the left border of the adjacent machines display). I specifically worked on the cutpaste part, and found that the machines needed to be time-synchronized exactly in order for the X cutpaste mechanism to work as expected. This feels very much like that timing issue where all machines would paste what was in the cut buffer of the machine with the most advanced time, even though the user had since copied something from a machine whose time was not as advanced. There was even one occasion when I had cut pasted successfully, then went to paste the same thing again, and the second paste reverted back to what was previously cut! Chris Will -- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Thursday 29 November 2007 20:28:09 you wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 3:34 AM, Will Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 27 November 2007 23:34:23 Chris Worley wrote: From my limited testing, killing klipper seems to do the trick... the behavior becomes predictable. Acroread is still an issue, but that's probably application specific. Does copying with Klipper running from KPDF to another app work for you? A matrix of from-app to-app result and Klipper running would be nice if anyone has the time. Klipper is a useful tool (multiple selections, persistent selection after from-app closes, and actions on selecting URLs) and if there is a problem I'd like to fix it. Will, First, I had an instance today where what I had copied didn't get pasted... and klipper wasn't running. It isn't an application/window matrix: even shells of the same konsole sometimes won't paste in one shell what was cut in another. Back in the early 90's I contributed to an app called XHydra, which allowed multiple machines to be controlled from the same keyboard and mouse (i.e. touch the right border of one machines display, and pop into the left border of the adjacent machines display). I specifically worked on the cutpaste part, and found that the machines needed to be time-synchronized exactly in order for the X cutpaste mechanism to work as expected. This feels very much like that timing issue where all machines would paste what was in the cut buffer of the machine with the most advanced time, even though the user had since copied something from a machine whose time was not as advanced. There was even one occasion when I had cut pasted successfully, then went to paste the same thing again, and the second paste reverted back to what was previously cut! Disclaimer: you obviously know more about X protocol than I do. Hunch: Since klipper takes ownership of the X selection in order to keep a selection available after an app has exited, maybe another app (acrobat? OO.o?) is doing the same thing and the two are in a race, so sometimes one app ends up owning an empty clipboard. Lubos: any idea about this situation? I can't see anything related in b.k.o. Tip: x2x may well be a descendent of XHydra and is on the distro - excuse me if you know about it already. Will -- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 23:34:23 Chris Worley wrote: From my limited testing, killing klipper seems to do the trick... the behavior becomes predictable. Acroread is still an issue, but that's probably application specific. Does copying with Klipper running from KPDF to another app work for you? A matrix of from-app to-app result and Klipper running would be nice if anyone has the time. Klipper is a useful tool (multiple selections, persistent selection after from-app closes, and actions on selecting URLs) and if there is a problem I'd like to fix it. Will -- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
Aaron Kulkis wrote: Chris Worley wrote: I've been using Unix since the 80's, and prefer X's left-button-drag-cut (or double or triple click) and middle-button-paste to WinDoh's, but, these days, Same here ;-) nothing seems to work. I mostly use KDE, Konsole, Evolution, Firefox, and Well, I think you correctly identified the true location of the problem the X11 server. Just wondering if it also the reason that KSnapshot has problems. It was said to be an OOo problem (in this forum about 6 months ago, but not solved in OOo group either). When I make a snapshot (Region, with mouse), it is made correctly (shows in KSnapshot window), but on inserting it into an application, always the _previous_ snapshot gets inserted in OOo-Writer. Only if the Copy to clipboard button or Ctrl-C is used does it get copied to OOo-Writer, again the previous snapshot first. In gimp the insertions seem to be working when the Copy to clipboard button or Ctrl-C is used before it is inserted in gimp. I noticed this in the office we work, where we copy snapshots of apps into training materials. The inserts (with Ctrl-V, by menu or by mouse right-click_Insert) are done mostly into OOo-Writer. There we insert from the Clipboard, delete it immediately again, and insert again; then the image is correct. We have it on all systems: OpenSUSE 10.1, 10.2 10.3. Anyone had this before? :-) Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
Chris Worley wrote: I've been using Unix since the 80's, and prefer X's left-button-drag-cut (or double or triple click) and middle-button-paste to WinDoh's, but, these days, nothing seems to work. I mostly use KDE, Konsole, Evolution, Firefox, and OpenOffice, and mostly just want to copy and paste text between these apps. Copy/paste within the same Konsole session seems to work properly, but, between apps is hit-and-miss. I.e. I'll copy some text from an OpenOffice editor (using left and middle mouse clicks), and paste into a Konsole... and it takes a couple of tries before it pastes. Aggravating. Chris, Most of the cut/paste I do is select then middle mouse for paste. Work with most apps. OpenOffice broke this for some reason and you have to cut then either paste ctrl+v or shift+ins to get open office to work. No rhime or reason. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
Chris Worley wrote: I've been using Unix since the 80's, and prefer X's left-button-drag-cut (or double or triple click) and middle-button-paste to WinDoh's, but, these days, Same here ;-) nothing seems to work. I mostly use KDE, Konsole, Evolution, Firefox, and OpenOffice, and mostly just want to copy and paste text between these apps. Copy/paste within the same Konsole session seems to work properly, but, between apps is hit-and-miss. I.e. I'll copy some text from an OpenOffice editor (using left and middle mouse clicks), and paste into a Konsole... and it takes a couple of tries before it pastes. Aggravating. I'm noticing a similar problem myself. In years past, this worked seamlessly... but my last few revs of OpenSuSE (the only place where I use a GUI) seem to have lost the ability to cut and paste w/o multiple tries. And the multiple-clicks...needed...BUT NOT ALWAYS is annoying... if KDE just happens to be in the middle of changing the desktop jpg, sometimes the reason I'm not seeing the paste is because the CPU and X-server are bogged down...and then suddenly I get the paste mouse-click executed 2 to 4 times... Annoying as hell. I've never seen this sort of thing with any sort thing (dropping mouse clicks...or any user input, for that matter) in any Unix or Linux interface before... I tried cutting a graphical section out of Acrobat.. and it said it had put it to the clipboard, but I could not paste into any app, including gimp. I've been resorting to right click - copy right click - paste :-( Cutpaste within an app is not that helpful, we need to cut and paste between apps. Does X need to go back to the drawing board? Well, I think you correctly identified the true location of the problem the X11 server. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Nov 26, 2007 3:41 PM, Don Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 26 November 2007 15:01, Chris Worley wrote: I've been using Unix since the 80's, and prefer X's left-button-drag-cut (or double or triple click) and middle-button-paste to WinDoh's, but, these days, nothing seems to work. I mostly use KDE, Konsole, Evolution, Firefox, and OpenOffice, and mostly just want to copy and paste text between these apps. Copy/paste within the same Konsole session seems to work properly, but, between apps is hit-and-miss. I.e. I'll copy some text from an OpenOffice editor (using left and middle mouse clicks), and paste into a Konsole... and it takes a couple of tries before it pastes. Aggravating. Do you have Klipper running? ... I have recently turned off Klipper and the behavior seems much better, but that is based on very limited testing. From my limited testing, killing klipper seems to do the trick... the behavior becomes predictable. Acroread is still an issue, but that's probably application specific. Thanks, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Monday 26 November 2007 15:01, Chris Worley wrote: I've been using Unix since the 80's, and prefer X's left-button-drag-cut (or double or triple click) and middle-button-paste to WinDoh's, but, these days, nothing seems to work. I mostly use KDE, Konsole, Evolution, Firefox, and OpenOffice, and mostly just want to copy and paste text between these apps. Copy/paste within the same Konsole session seems to work properly, but, between apps is hit-and-miss. I.e. I'll copy some text from an OpenOffice editor (using left and middle mouse clicks), and paste into a Konsole... and it takes a couple of tries before it pastes. Aggravating. In years past, this worked seamlessly... but my last few revs of OpenSuSE (the only place where I use a GUI) seem to have lost the ability to cut and paste w/o multiple tries. I tried cutting a graphical section out of Acrobat.. and it said it had put it to the clipboard, but I could not paste into any app, including gimp. Cutpaste within an app is not that helpful, we need to cut and paste between apps. Does X need to go back to the drawing board? Do you have Klipper running? I've seen very similar behavior with some of the apps you mentioned. Specifically cutting a graphic out of Acrobat and attempting to paste into openoffice impress. Often nothing would get pasted or else something that was put in the clipboard previously would get inserted. Whenever this happened I found that if I clear the clipboard contents (using Klipper), and then redo the copy and paste it will generally work. Annoying to have to do, but works repeatably. I have recently turned off Klipper and the behavior seems much better, but that is based on very limited testing. -- Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Monday 26 November 2007 14:41, Don Raboud wrote: ... I've seen very similar behavior with some of the apps you mentioned. Specifically cutting a graphic out of Acrobat and attempting to paste into openoffice impress. Don't let that fool you. It's a long-standing bug in Adobe Reader (which is what you meant, I assume, since Acrobat is available only on Windows and Mac and the program formerly known as Acrobat Reader was renamed Adobe Reader quite a while ago). Anyway, as I said, this problem with copying from Reader is specific to that application. The manifestation I see most often is that the first copy after launching it works correctly but all subsequent attempts to copy do nothing. In some cases I've seen character set confusion leading to gibberish (presumably a simple replacement cipher, but I've never bothered to try to figure it out.) This appears to have to do with the program that produced the PDF from which the copy is attempted (I recall seeing it only on a subset of the PDF files retrieved via CiteSeer and which were presumably written originally in TeX or LaTeX.) ... -- Don Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Monday 26 November 2007 16:18, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 26 November 2007 14:41, Don Raboud wrote: ... I've seen very similar behavior with some of the apps you mentioned. Specifically cutting a graphic out of Acrobat and attempting to paste into openoffice impress. Don't let that fool you. It's a long-standing bug in Adobe Reader (which is what you meant, I assume, since Acrobat is available only on Windows and Mac and the program formerly known as Acrobat Reader was renamed Adobe Reader quite a while ago). Yes, I meant Adobe Reader. -- Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
On Monday 26 November 2007 04:01:46 pm Chris Worley wrote: Copy/paste within the same Konsole session seems to work properly, but, between apps is hit-and-miss. I.e. I'll copy some text from an OpenOffice editor (using left and middle mouse clicks), and paste into a Konsole... and it takes a couple of tries before it pastes. Aggravating. My mouse like to double-paste quite often so taking average with your mouse, it works as designed ;-) I use that all the time inside application, to rearrange content, and between applications, and besides mouse middle key problem it works fine. I use KDE as a desktop. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Any Cut and Paste HOWTO's?
Don Raboud wrote: On Monday 26 November 2007 16:18, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 26 November 2007 14:41, Don Raboud wrote: ... I've seen very similar behavior with some of the apps you mentioned. Specifically cutting a graphic out of Acrobat and attempting to paste into openoffice impress. Don't let that fool you. It's a long-standing bug in Adobe Reader (which is what you meant, I assume, since Acrobat is available only on Windows and Mac and the program formerly known as Acrobat Reader was renamed Adobe Reader quite a while ago). Yes, I meant Adobe Reader. acroread is the name of the executable jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
