Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
On Saturday 27 October 2007 19:11:59 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello All, > > I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz > to a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a > Pentium D okay as a CPU for this or should I go with the next one up? > Celeron not good either? What will you be using the server for? If it's just file and print, just about any CPU will do just fine, you shouldn't have to upgrade your P4 at all. You'd get more benefit from more RAM and faster hard drives, probably RAIDed Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello All, Hi Uni :) > > I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz to > a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. > I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for this > or should I go with the next one up? > Celeron not good either? It depends on what you will server. What is home network server do ? > > -- > Keith Boykin Rui > You are what you think - so always think positively! -- Rui Santos http://www.ruisantos.com/ Veni, vidi, Linux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
-- Original message -- From: Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Saturday 27 October 2007 19:11:59 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz > > to a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a > > Pentium D okay as a CPU for this or should I go with the next one up? > > Celeron not good either? > > What will you be using the server for? > > If it's just file and print, just about any CPU will do just fine, you > shouldn't have to upgrade your P4 at all. You'd get more benefit from more > RAM and faster hard drives, probably RAIDed > > Anders > > -- > Madness takes its toll > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I will be using it for storing and serving kids school projects, mysql, and my software Delphi 2006 source code. One partition is Windows XP (data only) and the rest of the system is OSS 10.1 and it is slow, quirky (was an upgrade from10.0). I plan on going to SATA drives soon, thus the mobo upgrade. Mobo os P4M800PRO-M v2.0 -- Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
-- Original message -- From: Rui Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello All, > > Hi Uni :) > > > > > I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz > > to > a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. > > I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for > > this > or should I go with the next one up? > > Celeron not good either? > > It depends on what you will server. What is home network server do ? > > > > > -- > > Keith Boykin > > Rui > > > You are what you think - so always think positively! > > -- > Rui Santos > http://www.ruisantos.com/ > > Veni, vidi, Linux! > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I will be using it for storing and serving kids school projects, mysql, and my software Delphi 2006 source code. One partition is Windows XP (data only) and the rest of the system is OSS 10.1 and it is slow, quirky (was an upgrade from10.0). I plan on going to SATA drives soon, thus the mobo upgrade. Mobo os P4M800PRO-M v2.0 -- Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
On Saturday 27 October 2007 19:32:17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I will be using it for storing and serving kids school projects, mysql, and > my software Delphi 2006 source code. One partition is Windows XP (data > only) and the rest of the system is OSS 10.1 and it is slow, quirky (was an > upgrade from10.0). I plan on going to SATA drives soon, thus the mobo > upgrade. Mobo os P4M800PRO-M v2.0 Well, I still say you will have more benefit from more RAM than from a new CPU, and if you put your SATA drives in a RAID, that will also improve things, in more ways than one Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
-- Original message -- From: Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Saturday 27 October 2007 19:32:17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I will be using it for storing and serving kids school projects, mysql, and > > my software Delphi 2006 source code. One partition is Windows XP (data > > only) and the rest of the system is OSS 10.1 and it is slow, quirky (was an > > upgrade from10.0). I plan on going to SATA drives soon, thus the mobo > > upgrade. Mobo os P4M800PRO-M v2.0 > > Well, I still say you will have more benefit from more RAM than from a new > CPU, and if you put your SATA drives in a RAID, that will also improve > things, in more ways than one > > Anders > > -- > Madness takes its toll > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Thanks for the advice -- Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
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Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
Hi, You should really consider Anders advice. If your MB/CPU are in good condition, and your RAM is enough, your should consider only increasing the number of disks ( should upgrade to SATA ) and build your system on a soft RAID device. The HD will serve you on a future upgrade but, if you need to acquire RAM, then you should put your money in a new machine. Currently I own a P4 1.7 and I'm not considering upgrading... It has SuSE9.3 with 512MB of RAM and 4-40GB HD with a soft RAID-5. I use it for apache, mysql, subversion, mail-server, firewall, ntp, dhcp, router, Samba PDC, bind, ftp-server, cups server, hylafax, Xvnc for azureus with java and BOINC 24/7. But, since you wanted an advice on a motherboard, pick either a chipset with sava-nv out Intel WITH (WITH) AHCI. Also go for a PCI Express board instead of an PCI/AGP one. Rui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -- Original message -- > From: Rui Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Hello All, >> Hi Uni :) >> >>> >>> I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz >>> to >> a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. >>> I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for >>> this >> or should I go with the next one up? >>> Celeron not good either? >> It depends on what you will server. What is home network server do ? >> >>> -- >>> Keith Boykin >> Rui >> >>> You are what you think - so always think positively! >> -- >> Rui Santos >> http://www.ruisantos.com/ >> >> Veni, vidi, Linux! >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > I will be using it for storing and serving kids school projects, mysql, and > my > software Delphi 2006 > source code. One partition is Windows XP (data only) and the rest of the > system is OSS 10.1 and > it is slow, quirky (was an upgrade from10.0). I plan on going to SATA drives > soon, thus the mobo > upgrade. Mobo os P4M800PRO-M v2.0 > > -- > Keith Boykin > You are what you think - so always think positively! -- Rui Santos http://www.ruisantos.com/ Veni, vidi, Linux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz to a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for this or should I go with the next one up? Celeron not good either? I'm assuming that you're not going to use this as a "compute server" ... something that you submit computationally intensive tasks to from other machines. On that assumption, to maximize your benefit/cost ratio, you want to use as cheap a CPU as you can find (because even slow CPU's are thousands of times faster than the fastest disk drives), and lots of memory. Further improvement comes from having lots of small (in today's world) disk drives instead of one huge disk ... many disks = more track-seeks that can be performed simultaneously. Don't buy into the propaganda that CPU speed is the primary determinant of system performance...and that a "server" needs the fastest thing out there. File serving is NOT a CPU intensive task, and printing is a task which CAN BE CPU intensive but is also feeding to a tediously slow physical deviceand no CPU in the world is going to speed up your printer. -- Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
-- Original message -- From: Rui Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, > > You should really consider Anders advice. > > If your MB/CPU are in good condition, and your RAM is enough, your > should consider only increasing the number of disks ( should upgrade to > SATA ) and build your system on a soft RAID device. The HD will serve > you on a future upgrade but, if you need to acquire RAM, then you should > put your money in a new machine. > Currently I own a P4 1.7 and I'm not considering upgrading... It has > SuSE9.3 with 512MB of RAM and 4-40GB HD with a soft RAID-5. I use it for > apache, mysql, subversion, mail-server, firewall, ntp, dhcp, router, > Samba PDC, bind, ftp-server, cups server, hylafax, Xvnc for azureus with > java and BOINC 24/7. > > But, since you wanted an advice on a motherboard, pick either a chipset > with sava-nv out Intel WITH (WITH) AHCI. Also go for a PCI Express board > instead of an PCI/AGP one. > > Rui > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -- Original message -- > > From: Rui Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Hello All, > >> Hi Uni :) > >> > >>> > >>> I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 > >>> Mhz > to > >> a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. > >>> I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for > >>> this > >> or should I go with the next one up? > >>> Celeron not good either? > >> It depends on what you will server. What is home network server do ? > >> > >>> -- > >>> Keith Boykin > >> Rui > >> > >>> You are what you think - so always think positively! > >> -- > >> Rui Santos > >> http://www.ruisantos.com/ > >> > >> Veni, vidi, Linux! > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > I will be using it for storing and serving kids school projects, mysql, and > > my > > software Delphi 2006 > > source code. One partition is Windows XP (data only) and the rest of the > system is OSS 10.1 and > > it is slow, quirky (was an upgrade from10.0). I plan on going to SATA > > drives > > soon, thus the mobo > > upgrade. Mobo os P4M800PRO-M v2.0 > > > > -- > > Keith Boykin > > You are what you think - so always think positively! > > -- > Rui Santos > http://www.ruisantos.com/ > > Veni, vidi, Linux! > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Thanks, I already have the mobo, thus the question about the CPU. It doesn't have a CPU. I have enough RAM to put 768 MB on it. I have a 160 GB IDE HD - which for now I'll keep. The CPU in there is a PIII 2.0 Celeron. -- Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
-- Original message -- From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz > > to > a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. > > I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for > > this > or should I go with the next one up? > > Celeron not good either? > > > > I'm assuming that you're not going to use this as a "compute > server" ... something that you submit computationally intensive > tasks to from other machines. > > On that assumption, to maximize your benefit/cost ratio, you > want to use as cheap a CPU as you can find (because even slow > CPU's are thousands of times faster than the fastest disk > drives), and lots of memory. Further improvement comes from > having lots of small (in today's world) disk drives instead > of one huge disk ... many disks = more track-seeks that can > be performed simultaneously. > > Don't buy into the propaganda that CPU speed is the primary > determinant of system performance...and that a "server" > needs the fastest thing out there. File serving is NOT a > CPU intensive task, and printing is a task which CAN BE > CPU intensive but is also feeding to a tediously slow > physical deviceand no CPU in the world is going to > speed up your printer. > > > -- > > Keith Boykin > > You are what you think - so always think positively! > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'm sorry. I went and checked and it has a P3 S478 20 Celeron Processor. I have had it so long, I forgot what was in there. No no CPU intensive task. Just to be able to have the kids all connect simultaneously to store and retrieve their stored work from their mobile laptops. I already have the mobo (P4M800PRO-M v2.0), but don't have a CPU. I have enough memory to put 768 MB RAM in it. I also have a P4 2.4 Ghz on a mobo that is _not_ SATA and could also put the RAM in it. Before I start to swap out, which is better? Thanks, Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello All, > > I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz to > a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. > I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for this > or should I go with the next one up? > Celeron not good either? > I ran a print server, mail server, public web site, some light mysql, as well as used the box for *lots* of backups and archives. It was a P4 2.2 GHz. The only time it ever slowed down was doing print conversions of graphics-loaded files. I have a Pentium D box and have been quite impressed with its performance. That chip should be fine for what you want to do. More recently I've been using a hosting service at www.futurequest.net -- they have given me *excellent* service and support for the 6 months I've been with them. (I made the switch when I moved cross country and couldn't tolerate any down time during the move and transition.) Hope this helps, Buddy Coffey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -- Original message -- > From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I am going to upgrade my home network server from a Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz >>> to >> a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. >>> I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium D okay as a CPU for >>> this >> or should I go with the next one up? >>> Celeron not good either? >>> >> I'm assuming that you're not going to use this as a "compute >> server" ... something that you submit computationally intensive >> tasks to from other machines. >> >> On that assumption, to maximize your benefit/cost ratio, you >> want to use as cheap a CPU as you can find (because even slow >> CPU's are thousands of times faster than the fastest disk >> drives), and lots of memory. Further improvement comes from >> having lots of small (in today's world) disk drives instead >> of one huge disk ... many disks = more track-seeks that can >> be performed simultaneously. >> >> Don't buy into the propaganda that CPU speed is the primary >> determinant of system performance...and that a "server" >> needs the fastest thing out there. File serving is NOT a >> CPU intensive task, and printing is a task which CAN BE >> CPU intensive but is also feeding to a tediously slow >> physical deviceand no CPU in the world is going to >> speed up your printer. >> >>> -- >>> Keith Boykin >>> You are what you think - so always think positively! >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > I'm sorry. I went and checked and it has a P3 S478 20 Celeron Processor. I > have > had it so long, I forgot what was in there. No no CPU intensive task. Just to > be > able to have the kids all connect simultaneously to store and retrieve their > stored > work from their mobile laptops. I already have the mobo (P4M800PRO-M v2.0), > but don't have a CPU. I have enough memory to put 768 MB RAM in it. I also > have a P4 2.4 Ghz on a mobo that is _not_ SATA and could also put the > RAM in it. Before I start to swap out, which is better? If your preference goes toward not spending any more money, I'd use the P4M800PRO-M with the P4 2.4, if that is a SK775. If not, you could try to buy an cheep Intel SK755 processor ( used ones can be a good buy ) and place it on the P4m88... Another good option is to use your 2.4 on your existing board and buy a PCI-SATA card... > > Thanks, > > Keith Boykin > You are what you think - so always think positively! -- Rui Santos http://www.ruisantos.com/ Veni, vidi, Linux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best CPU for OSS 10.3 Small Home Network Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original message -- From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I am going to upgrade my home network server from a >>> Pentium 4 S478 1.7 Mhz to a S775 MB with 1066 FSB. I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is a Pentium >>> D okay as a CPU for this or should I go with the next >>> one up? Celeron not good either? I'm assuming that you're not going to use this as a "compute server" ... something that you submit computationally intensive tasks to from other machines. On that assumption, to maximize your benefit/cost ratio, you want to use as cheap a CPU as you can find (because even slow CPU's are thousands of times faster than the fastest disk drives), and lots of memory. Further improvement comes from having lots of small (in today's world) disk drives instead of one huge disk ... many disks = more track-seeks that can be performed simultaneously. Don't buy into the propaganda that CPU speed is the primary determinant of system performance...and that a "server" needs the fastest thing out there. File serving is NOT a CPU intensive task, and printing is a task which CAN BE CPU intensive but is also feeding to a tediously slow physical deviceand no CPU in the world is going to speed up your printer. I'm sorry. I went and checked and it has a P3 S478 20 > Celeron Processor. I have had it so long, I forgot what > was in there. No no CPU intensive task. Just to be able > to have the kids all connect simultaneously to store > and retrieve their stored work from their mobile laptops. > I already have the mobo (P4M800PRO-M v2.0), but don't > have a CPU. I have enough memory to put 768 MB RAM in > it. > I also have a P4 2.4 Ghz on a mobo that is _not_ SATA > and could also put the RAM in it. Before I start to > swap out, which is better? I don't think there will be ANY noticeable difference between the two. First, any file-write is going to be first buffered in memory on the laptop... and then the laptop's OS is going to send the file to your server. The server's two bottlenecks are the network connection, and the disk drives...both of which are slow compared to the operating speed of the CPUs in question. So, on that basis, do what ever is most convenient for you and which gives you the most flexibility in the future. Thanks, Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
