Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Carl Spitzer]

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 14:15 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >   
> James, the OP did state that he is using SuSE 10.0, and you are using 
> 10.3. The point here is, does 10.0 have the same ability to recognise 
> USB drives? If I recall correctly, weren't there some hassles in this 
> area with SuSE prior to (?)10.2?
> 
> 
No I use flash drives just fine in 10.0  an external should be seen. 


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Greg Freemyer]

On 11/5/07, Janus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 05 November 2007 05:20, Rajko M. wrote:
>
> > This is from ext2.txt (ext3.txt is not that detailed) in kernel sources
> > documentation:
> >
> > Filesystem block size: 1kB2kB4kB8kB
> > File size limit:  16GB  256GB 2048GB 2048GB
> > Filesystem size limit:  2047GB 8192GB16384GB32768GB
>
> Thanks. Not sure about the block size on my filesystem, but good to know that
> at least 16 GB is allowed. Now I just need to find out if there is a size
> limit for tar. Cannot find anything about that in the documentation.
>
> Janus

Tar is a sequential access based program.  So it "might" have limits
on how big a single file within the archive is, but it should not have
any limitations on the size of the overall archive.

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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Janus]

On Monday 05 November 2007 05:20, Rajko M. wrote:

> This is from ext2.txt (ext3.txt is not that detailed) in kernel sources
> documentation:
>
> Filesystem block size: 1kB2kB4kB8kB
> File size limit:  16GB  256GB 2048GB 2048GB
> Filesystem size limit:  2047GB 8192GB16384GB32768GB

Thanks. Not sure about the block size on my filesystem, but good to know that 
at least 16 GB is allowed. Now I just need to find out if there is a size 
limit for tar. Cannot find anything about that in the documentation.

Janus

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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Janus]

On Sunday 04 November 2007 12:30, Jon Clausen wrote:

> Does anything dictate that you *must* use the old system to do the backup?
> Otherwise you *could* just boot the 10.3 media to a rescue system, and use
> that to mkfs, mount, and backup to the USBdisk.

It worked smooth: I Booted from a SuSE 10.3 Live CD and plugged in the USB 
drive. It was automatically recognized and mounted - and I could start 
copying files to it (it was already formated as FAT32). The drive is also 
visible in YaST partitioner tool, so now I can format the drive to ext3 and 
make the backup.

Thanks for the suggestion. Simple. Obvious. Thanks! :-)

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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Jeffrey L. Taylor]

Quoting Basil Chupin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> James Knott wrote:
>> Janus wrote:
>>   
>>> On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
 Format it and specify the desired mount point.
   
>>> I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
>>> - and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> I just turned on my external 160 GB drive and it shows up in Partitioner
>> as /dev/sdc.  Do you see anything new, when you plug in that drive?
>>   
> James, the OP did state that he is using SuSE 10.0, and you are using 10.3. 
> The point here is, does 10.0 have the same ability to recognise USB drives? 
> If I recall correctly, weren't there some hassles in this area with SuSE 
> prior to (?)10.2?
>

I had no trouble with USB external drives on an up to date SuSE 10.0.  It
recognized them and mounted them in /media without intervention.  With 10.3,
it recognizes them, but I have to mount them manually.

Look at syslog(s) and see if the system is seeing them.

Jeffrey


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 04 November 2007 04:20:52 am Janus wrote:
> Speaking of
> which: Is the a size limit for a tar-file? (can I make one big tar of my
> entire /home ~ around 15 - 30 GB depending of how much I clean up).

This is from ext2.txt (ext3.txt is not that detailed) in kernel sources 
documentation:
 
Filesystem block size: 1kB2kB4kB8kB
File size limit:  16GB  256GB 2048GB 2048GB
Filesystem size limit:  2047GB 8192GB16384GB32768GB

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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Carlos F Lange]

On Sat November 3 2007 18:44, Janus wrote:
> On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:
> > Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
> > Format it and specify the desired mount point.
>
> I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
> - and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.
>
> Suggestions? Thanks.

Try restarting Hal:
 rchal restart
then plug your disk in again.
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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Allen]

Hi,

I used to have this problem sometimes in Slackware where auto mount doesn't 
come all pretty like on SUSE, so I just set up an Fstab entry to take care of 
it.

right now I have SUSE 10.2 and KDE and Gnome would see my USB HD as soon as I 
plugged it in, but in Window Maker or Enlightenment, I wouldn't have the 
option and it didn't show up in mount anymore.

What I ended up doing to fix it so it worked in every window manager and 
without X running was just booting and using KDE, checking Mount to see how 
it was mounted, and just adding that to /etc/fstab and then  using 
mount /dev/sda1 to mount it for use.

Hope it helps,

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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Basil Chupin]

Janus wrote:

On Sunday 04 November 2007 12:30, Jon Clausen wrote:

  

Does anything dictate that you *must* use the old system to do the backup?



No. I just need a reliable backup of "everything". I prefer to do copy the 
backup to the external HD.


  

Otherwise you *could* just boot the 10.3 media to a rescue system, and use
that to mkfs, mount, and backup to the USBdisk.
Worth a shot, no?



Thanks. Haven't thought about that solution and I am not familiar with "mkfs". 
but I guess I get the idea: I make some backup tar files, boot SuSE Linux 
10.3 from a DVD (maybe the "live" version would be even better - maybe it has 
the YaST partitioner tool?), and from here I will have access to the external 
HD which I can then copy the backup tar files to. Great idea. Will give it a 
try. Thanks!


  

I mean, the alternative;


(...)
  

*is* going to take some time...



Oh yes... ;-)

Janus
  


There was a discussion only last week (?or week before) in this forum 
about doing backups. Check out the archives for the discussion - start here:


http://marc.info/?l=opensuse&r=1&w=2


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Janus]

On Sunday 04 November 2007 12:30, Jon Clausen wrote:

> Does anything dictate that you *must* use the old system to do the backup?

No. I just need a reliable backup of "everything". I prefer to do copy the 
backup to the external HD.

> Otherwise you *could* just boot the 10.3 media to a rescue system, and use
> that to mkfs, mount, and backup to the USBdisk.
> Worth a shot, no?

Thanks. Haven't thought about that solution and I am not familiar with "mkfs". 
but I guess I get the idea: I make some backup tar files, boot SuSE Linux 
10.3 from a DVD (maybe the "live" version would be even better - maybe it has 
the YaST partitioner tool?), and from here I will have access to the external 
HD which I can then copy the backup tar files to. Great idea. Will give it a 
try. Thanks!

> I mean, the alternative;
(...)
> *is* going to take some time...

Oh yes... ;-)

Janus
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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Jon Clausen]

Haven't followed this thread very closely, so pardon me if there are factors
which render my suggestion invalid;

On Sun, 04 Nov, 2007 at 11:20:52 +0100, Janus wrote:
> On Sunday 04 November 2007 05:29, Basil Chupin wrote:
> 
> > The OP has bought himself an external HD (to be able to do a backup of
> > his 10.0 system before upgrading to 10.3) and is wondering how to go
> > about formatting the HD. James suggested using Yast Partitioner but when
> > OP does this the USB drive doesn't appear in the Partitioner.
> 
> Exactly! :-)

Does anything dictate that you *must* use the old system to do the backup?

Otherwise you *could* just boot the 10.3 media to a rescue system, and use
that to mkfs, mount, and backup to the USBdisk.

Worth a shot, no?

I mean, the alternative;

> I'll keep my fingers crossed. As an alternative I will have to fire up my old 
> Celeron 400 Mhz with 128 MB ram (which I guess will not run recent versions 
> of SuSE), and use it as a backup media (scp over ethernet).

*is* going to take some time...

/jon

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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Basil Chupin]

Janus wrote:

On Sunday 04 November 2007 05:29, Basil Chupin wrote:

  

The OP has bought himself an external HD (to be able to do a backup of
his 10.0 system before upgrading to 10.3) and is wondering how to go
about formatting the HD. James suggested using Yast Partitioner but when
OP does this the USB drive doesn't appear in the Partitioner.



Exactly! :-)

  

(I suspect that someone like Carlos E will be able to dredge up from his
extensive archives the appropriate messages which provided the "fix"
which the OP could apply to overcome his problem.)



I'll keep my fingers crossed. As an alternative I will have to fire up my old 
Celeron 400 Mhz with 128 MB ram (which I guess will not run recent versions 
of SuSE), and use it as a backup media (scp over ethernet). Speaking of 
which: Is the a size limit for a tar-file? (can I make one big tar of my 
entire /home ~ around 15 - 30 GB depending of how much I clean up).


Loking very much forward to the 10.3 upgrade - and to a better backup 
routine :-)


Best,
Janus
  


In the meantime you could help yourself by doing some searching for the 
answer in the Help Database. Start here:


http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SDB


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Janus]

On Sunday 04 November 2007 05:29, Basil Chupin wrote:

> The OP has bought himself an external HD (to be able to do a backup of
> his 10.0 system before upgrading to 10.3) and is wondering how to go
> about formatting the HD. James suggested using Yast Partitioner but when
> OP does this the USB drive doesn't appear in the Partitioner.

Exactly! :-)

> (I suspect that someone like Carlos E will be able to dredge up from his
> extensive archives the appropriate messages which provided the "fix"
> which the OP could apply to overcome his problem.)

I'll keep my fingers crossed. As an alternative I will have to fire up my old 
Celeron 400 Mhz with 128 MB ram (which I guess will not run recent versions 
of SuSE), and use it as a backup media (scp over ethernet). Speaking of 
which: Is the a size limit for a tar-file? (can I make one big tar of my 
entire /home ~ around 15 - 30 GB depending of how much I clean up).

Loking very much forward to the 10.3 upgrade - and to a better backup 
routine :-)

Best,
Janus
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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Basil Chupin]

Kai Ponte wrote:

On Saturday 03 November 2007 20:36, James Knott wrote:
  

Basil Chupin wrote:


James Knott wrote:
  

Janus wrote:


On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:
  

Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
Format it and specify the desired mount point.


I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
- and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.
  

I just turned on my external 160 GB drive and it shows up in Partitioner
as /dev/sdc.  Do you see anything new, when you plug in that drive?


James, the OP did state that he is using SuSE 10.0, and you are using
10.3. The point here is, does 10.0 have the same ability to recognise
USB drives? If I recall correctly, weren't there some hassles in this
area with SuSE prior to (?)10.2?
  

I don't recall and I don't have any 10.0 systems running.



I didn't catch that.
  


The OP has bought himself an external HD (to be able to do a backup of 
his 10.0 system before upgrading to 10.3) and is wondering how to go 
about formatting the HD. James suggested using Yast Partitioner but when 
OP does this the USB drive doesn't appear in the Partitioner.


Yes, 10.0 was buggy as all getup when it came to USB external drives and USB 
thumb drives. 

I don't know if patches ever made it into that distro version, but I recall 
very serious issues with speed in transferring files when I went from 9.3 to 
10.0.  

IIRC, the whole underbelly of USB was rewritten from the 9.x days and 
10.0 "missed the boat."  I remember distinctly feeling very pleased with 10.1 
and 10.2 in terms of performance with USB drives.
  

Ah, it appears that my memory is still reasonably functional :-) .

(I suspect that someone like Carlos E will be able to dredge up from his 
extensive archives the appropriate messages which provided the "fix" 
which the OP could apply to overcome his problem.)


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Kai Ponte]

On Saturday 03 November 2007 20:36, James Knott wrote:
> Basil Chupin wrote:
> > James Knott wrote:
> >> Janus wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:
>  Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
>  Format it and specify the desired mount point.
> >>>
> >>> I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
> >>> - and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.
> >>
> >> I just turned on my external 160 GB drive and it shows up in Partitioner
> >> as /dev/sdc.  Do you see anything new, when you plug in that drive?
> >
> > James, the OP did state that he is using SuSE 10.0, and you are using
> > 10.3. The point here is, does 10.0 have the same ability to recognise
> > USB drives? If I recall correctly, weren't there some hassles in this
> > area with SuSE prior to (?)10.2?
>
> I don't recall and I don't have any 10.0 systems running.

I didn't catch that.

Yes, 10.0 was buggy as all getup when it came to USB external drives and USB 
thumb drives. 

I don't know if patches ever made it into that distro version, but I recall 
very serious issues with speed in transferring files when I went from 9.3 to 
10.0.  

IIRC, the whole underbelly of USB was rewritten from the 9.x days and 
10.0 "missed the boat."  I remember distinctly feeling very pleased with 10.1 
and 10.2 in terms of performance with USB drives.
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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[James Knott]

Basil Chupin wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>> Janus wrote:
>>  
>>> On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:
>>>
>>>  
 Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
 Format it and specify the desired mount point.
   
>>> I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
>>> - and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> I just turned on my external 160 GB drive and it shows up in Partitioner
>> as /dev/sdc.  Do you see anything new, when you plug in that drive?
>>   
> James, the OP did state that he is using SuSE 10.0, and you are using
> 10.3. The point here is, does 10.0 have the same ability to recognise
> USB drives? If I recall correctly, weren't there some hassles in this
> area with SuSE prior to (?)10.2?
>

I don't recall and I don't have any 10.0 systems running.

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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Basil Chupin]

James Knott wrote:

Janus wrote:
  

On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:

  


Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
Format it and specify the desired mount point.

  

I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
- and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.

  



I just turned on my external 160 GB drive and it shows up in Partitioner
as /dev/sdc.  Do you see anything new, when you plug in that drive?
  
James, the OP did state that he is using SuSE 10.0, and you are using 
10.3. The point here is, does 10.0 have the same ability to recognise 
USB drives? If I recall correctly, weren't there some hassles in this 
area with SuSE prior to (?)10.2?


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[James Knott]

Janus wrote:
> On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:
>
>   
>> Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
>> Format it and specify the desired mount point.
>> 
>
> I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
> - and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.
>
>   

I just turned on my external 160 GB drive and it shows up in Partitioner
as /dev/sdc.  Do you see anything new, when you plug in that drive?


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Janus]

On Saturday 03 November 2007 23:54, James Knott wrote:

> Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive.
> Format it and specify the desired mount point.

I go YaST -> System -> Partitioner
- and I only see /dev/hda - no external drive.

Suggestions? Thanks. 

Janus
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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[James Knott]

Janus wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I would like to make a complete backup to an external harddrive. The drive is 
> new and not formated yet. 
>
> I would like to SUSE to see the drive, format it and copy my entire /home to 
> the drive.
>
> How do I get started? 
>
> Janus
>   
Plug it in.  Then open Yast Partitioner.  You should see the drive. 
Format it and specify the desired mount point.


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Re: [opensuse] External USB disk drive - how to get started?

[Janus]

On Saturday 03 November 2007 19:08, Janus wrote:

> I would like to make a complete backup to an external harddrive. The drive
> is new and not formated yet.

PS: I run SuSE Linux 10.0.
Yes, I know. Time to upgrade. That is why I really need a complete backup. :-)

Janus
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