Re: [opensuse] Mail Program

[joe]

Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> OK,
> 
> First, I am a newbee to SUSE.
> 
> I have tried everything I can think of to install Dovecot to a 10.2
> brand new installation.  Webmin keeps telling me that it is not installed.
> 
> Am I stupid, or are the three not compatible?

Obviously the three are compatible since dovecot comes with suse, and I see
dovecot in the list of servers when I fire up webmin. That was automatic, no
extra steps necessary. I suspect something funny with your dovecot
install.

Are you using the fine dovecot package that comes with suse, or did you eschew
that in favor of some sort of do-it-yourself dovecot tarball install?

Joe


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program

[Theo v. Werkhoven]

Sat, 23 Jun 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> OK,
> 
> First, I am a newbee to SUSE.
> 
> I have tried everything I can think of to install Dovecot to a 10.2 
> brand new installation.  Webmin keeps telling me that it is not installed.

Did you tell Webmin where the Dovecot's binary and config files are?
https://localhost:1/config.cgi?dovecot

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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[scsijon]

At 11:56 PM 5/17/2007, Jerry Feldman wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:07 +0200
"Theo v. Werkhoven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for
> both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data.
> Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have
> good development tools.
> Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and
> free) system?


firstly, to theo
it works!
the programmer (DEFINATELY NOT ME) knows her current package code "backwards"
she is just starting with linux and will still need to support 
windows as she has other

clients that use the same program in the windows environment.



I have been using claws-mail (www.claws-mail.org) for a number of
years. It includes a perl plugin for advanced searches. While Eudora is
an excellent product, IMHO, you are probably better off using a product
that is natively built on Linux. Claws supports both Windows and Linux,
is actively maintained. You can build from source or install from RPMs.
The two features that I like are that it fully supports MH folders (as
well as MBOX), and it can access the jpilot address book directly. My
wife has Eudora, and I find that claws has much of the same
functionality. But, one capability that claws does not have is the
ability to send html (IMHO a good thing).


I will have a look at it and see if it will suit her



However, I would love to see how Eudora performs under WINE or
Crossover Office (Crossover Office is a commercial product that
incorporates WINE and is tested for many Windows apps. The CodeWeavers
team also hosts and supports WINE).


I am setting up a wine environment at present and will have a go at installing
Eudora and openoffice2 (easy to use database) next week together with
some"rough" code she has created to try it out with.
One of the wine people has Eudora working, they say ok with little hastles
and little delays.

thanks to eveyone for help so far, will give feedback at end of month.

scsijon


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Pueblo Native]

Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:07 +0200
> "Theo v. Werkhoven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for
>> both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data.
>> Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have
>> good development tools.
>> Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and
>> free) system?
>> 
> I have been using claws-mail (www.claws-mail.org) for a number of
> years. It includes a perl plugin for advanced searches. While Eudora is
> an excellent product, IMHO, you are probably better off using a product
> that is natively built on Linux. Claws supports both Windows and Linux,
> is actively maintained. You can build from source or install from RPMs.
> The two features that I like are that it fully supports MH folders (as
> well as MBOX), and it can access the jpilot address book directly. My
> wife has Eudora, and I find that claws has much of the same
> functionality. But, one capability that claws does not have is the
> ability to send html (IMHO a good thing). 
>   

Thanks for the alert.  I'm going to have to check this one out on my
spare time.
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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Jerry Feldman]

On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:07 +0200
"Theo v. Werkhoven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for
> both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data.
> Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have
> good development tools.
> Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and
> free) system?
I have been using claws-mail (www.claws-mail.org) for a number of
years. It includes a perl plugin for advanced searches. While Eudora is
an excellent product, IMHO, you are probably better off using a product
that is natively built on Linux. Claws supports both Windows and Linux,
is actively maintained. You can build from source or install from RPMs.
The two features that I like are that it fully supports MH folders (as
well as MBOX), and it can access the jpilot address book directly. My
wife has Eudora, and I find that claws has much of the same
functionality. But, one capability that claws does not have is the
ability to send html (IMHO a good thing). 

However, I would love to see how Eudora performs under WINE or
Crossover Office (Crossover Office is a commercial product that
incorporates WINE and is tested for many Windows apps. The CodeWeavers
team also hosts and supports WINE). 


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Theo v. Werkhoven]

Tue, 15 May 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> At 01:31 AM 5/14/2007, Rikard Johnels wrote:
> >On Sunday 13 May 2007 17:05, Mike McMullin wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 10:39 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:
> >> > > I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a 
> >transport
> >> > > firm.
> >> > >
> 
> 
> 
> >> > > Any sugestions?
> >> >
> >> >   IIRC Eudora runs under wine.
> >>
> >>   I just had a look at the Eudora site, it's been discontinued, and
> >> picked up by Mozilla as Penelope.  The company may not be able to use
> >> this on their new systems.
> >
> >And why would they want run a windows application under wine when 
> >they WANT to
> >migrate to Linux???
> >
> >As stated above, what do you need of Eudora's functionality?
> >The mail client for reading? The addressbook for sending of mails?
> 
> 
> i have no detailed idea, i'm not the programmer, just the installer
> 
> but from what i understand, there are database links to move the 
> various unit (palate) records
> between the sending > receiving offices using the mail system. 
> Aparently Eudora's scripting
> is easy to use and very database compatable, acording to the programmer.
> 
> It's not simple, but it does work for them and saves having to have 
> direct or permanent links.

Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for
both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data.
Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have
good development tools.
Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and
free) system?

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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[scsijon]

At 01:31 AM 5/14/2007, Rikard Johnels wrote:

On Sunday 13 May 2007 17:05, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 10:39 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:
> > > I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a transport
> > > firm.
> > >





> > > Any sugestions?
> >
> >   IIRC Eudora runs under wine.
>
>   I just had a look at the Eudora site, it's been discontinued, and
> picked up by Mozilla as Penelope.  The company may not be able to use
> this on their new systems.

And why would they want run a windows application under wine when 
they WANT to

migrate to Linux???

As stated above, what do you need of Eudora's functionality?
The mail client for reading? The addressbook for sending of mails?



i have no detailed idea, i'm not the programmer, just the installer

but from what i understand, there are database links to move the 
various unit (palate) records
between the sending > receiving offices using the mail system. 
Aparently Eudora's scripting

is easy to use and very database compatable, acording to the programmer.

It's not simple, but it does work for them and saves having to have 
direct or permanent links.


scsijon

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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[scsijon]

At 12:39 AM 5/14/2007, Mike McMullin wrote:

On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:
> I have b





> Any sugestions?

  IIRC Eudora runs under wine.

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and that was my current sugestion to them, however I have no 
experience with wine

and it's on my todo list.

scsijon 


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Will Stephenson]

On Monday 14 May 2007, Registration Account said:
> I would bight the bullet now and commit to Thunderbird. I went through
> this same process when 10.2 RC and Evolution were not compatible with
> major bug (blocker) issue.

I hope you don't mind if I refute some of your assertions.  I feel that 
Thunderbird is a fine program, but such an outspoken attack on the 
alternatives is unjustified.  

I would also ask you to consider that the use of large applications that stand 
alone with no infrastructure shared with the rest of the desktop wastes an 
opportunity for code reuse, resulting in a bigger memory footprint and a 
slower system.

> 3. Not written or constrained now or in the future (add-ons excepted) to
> another mail server - Groupwise.

You need to review your understanding of cause and effect.  Just because 
Novell develops XYZ and Novell sells GroupWise doesn't mean that XYZ would 
ever be constrained to or written around GroupWise.  GW is an enterprise 
sized system - however, many Novell customers and the overwhelming majority 
of community members do not need an enterprise sized mail system - hence we 
also put a lot of work into making POP, SMTP and IMAP as good as any other 
client.

> 5. Complexity in Kmail for a new user - over engineered to the max and
> possible future dependants on KDE Desktop

We make the easy things easy and the hard things possible.  Just doing the 
former is unacceptable IMO.  

With regard to desktop dependency doubts, our KDE 3 packaging of KMail depends 
only on kdelibs3, and kdebase3 for SMTP.  It does not require you to use 
KMail under a KDE desktop, nor are there any difference in features if you do 
not.  Our password manager, kwallet, and our out of process smtp, imap and 
pop subsystems all function indepedently of what is running the desktop.  

The KDE 4 packaging will take this separation even further so that you can 
install separate applications from a KDE module.  Instead of kdelibs3, 
kdebase3 and kdepim3 you can install libkde4, kdepimlibs and kde4-kmail, 
which are much smaller packages.

> 7. Mega serious attitude/cultural issues with KDE in relation to bugs.

I beg your pardon?

> 8. Here to stay - Designed to run with Linux O/S Kernel not particular
> Desktop.

The KDE project celebrated its 10th anniversary last year, and is larger than 
ever.  Additionally we design to run with any *nix kernel, and KDE 4 will 
bring KMail and family to OSX and Windows platforms, to ease users' migration 
to a completely Free Software desktop.

> 9. Add-on GPL - so many of them - seems like they are common place and
> should fulfil  your "scripting needs".
> 10. Standard Mbox and Vcard formatting of files.

Check - for KMail and Evolution too, I think

> 12. Standard GPL on whole package.

Check.  GPL and LGPL on libs, like Mozilla*.

> 15. GUI current issues with Evolution KDE desktop.

?

> 19. No backward updates of suse.de applications. Example if you have
> Open Office and run 10.1 you wont get enhancements auto scheduled for
> version 10.2 updates. - exception security issues.

10.2 is the update to 10.1.  But we do provide these backward updates on an 
unsupported basis in the KDE:Backports obss repository.

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[Registration Account]

I would bight the bullet now and commit to Thunderbird. I went through
this same process when 10.2 RC and Evolution were not compatible with
major bug (blocker) issue.

1. The availability to write add-ons specific to your needs
2. Continual Clear Development Path
3. Not written or constrained now or in the future (add-ons excepted) to
another mail server - Groupwise.
4. Appalling  development and response to bug fixes submitted on
Evolution. ( I logged an Evolution Bug that was Major and the programmer
apologised for the 2 month delay saying " Sorry for the delay but I
don't get down to many bugs  that are or below Major).
5. Complexity in Kmail for a new user - over engineered to the max and
possible future dependants on KDE Desktop
6. Second example recently where Evolution was dependant on Gnome Desktop.
7. Mega serious attitude/cultural issues with KDE in relation to bugs.
8. Here to stay - Designed to run with Linux O/S Kernel not particular
Desktop.
9. Add-on GPL - so many of them - seems like they are common place and
should fulfil  your "scripting needs".
10. Standard Mbox and Vcard formatting of files.
11. Sideways function maintenance of product for MS Windows/ Mac/Linux/Unix
12. Standard GPL on whole package.
13. Solid and being a Mozilla product - huge commitment.
14. Bugs and suggestions well received.
15. GUI current issues with Evolution KDE desktop.
16. Make no mistake - Evolution is designed as the Desktop client where
Groupwise is the server in mixed Netware/Linux environments.
17. If you commit to SLED you will have to install Thunderbird via
download - Not part of SLED CD/DVD.
18. Lead time - months to correct beta 'blocker' bug in RC of 10.2.
19. No backward updates of suse.de applications. Example if you have
Open Office and run 10.1 you wont get enhancements auto scheduled for
version 10.2 updates. - exception security issues.

Personal comments only - Without Prejudice - Acknowledged Personal Opinions
1. Complete lack of faith in QA, clear development path of suse.de
maintained applications and apart from security no apparent need to fix
bugs of past release before new release.

Apparent that suse.de has structural issues with development.  Quote
inserted into a bug report "Whose handling NFS".next entry "nnn"
I think" or try "xxx"

Open Suse really appears to be the testing ground for SLED as
overwhelming issues when upgrading from version to version. No QA issue
in RC containing far too many unresolved beta bug fixes in new version -
lest previous one.

That's all I can think of and why with the issues of 10.2 KDE/Evolution
- Totally unacceptable QA control by suse.de and severely clearly
viewpoint, that Evolution forms part of the default package Grouping of
Gnome Desktop and Kmail/KDE  - This is very obvious we are not meant to
pick and choose applications not assigned to desktop by default.

OMG! Boy can I rave on...
Scott :-X

scsijon wrote:
> I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a
> transport firm.
>
> They have no problem with it being linux providing everything they
> have now,
> they will have afterwards as they are expanding from the current four
> depots
> and twelve staff and have planned to have fifteen depots and about
> twenty five
> staff by the end of the year.
>
> Unfortunately one of the principal packages they use was written for a
> Native
> Windows environment.
>
> Fortunately the programmer is a local and after some "discussion" is
> willing
> to create a linux version as he is writing a major upgrade at present and
> providing I can help him, and with some answers
>
> The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's
> functions
> (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement that
> has a
> scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both have
> windows
> and linux versions so he only has to create one version of source code.
>
> Any sugestions?
>
> scsijon
>


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Randall R Schulz]

On Sunday 13 May 2007 16:36, Pueblo Native wrote:
> ...
>
> There is that, but is there a version of mail that works on Windows
> applications exactly the way the linux version does?

Cygwin has something. Once upon a time, when I was forced to do 
development on the beast that is Windows, I integrated the mailing of 
change notices into CVS (all under Cygwin). The mail-sending tool is 
called "ssmtp" (simple SMTP). Naturally, it's scriptable, since it's a 
command-line tool.

With Cygwin, Windows can be tolerated and made to do useful work.




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[Pueblo Native]

John Andersen wrote:
> On Sunday 13 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
>   
>> John Andersen wrote:
>> 
>  
>   
>> But I was thinking, why do you even need an _external_ mail program.
>> Depending upon your system, wouldn't using a SMTP control or even
>> library be easier, depending upon what you needed to do exactly.
>> 
>
> As someone who has had to do that, I can tell you it gets fairly
> complex, especially when a varying number of attachments are 
> to be sent.  If you can find a library it would of course be easier
> but there are still a zillion options you may have to implement
> and you might end up writing it closer to the platform than you
> really wanted.
>
>
>   
There is that, but is there a version of mail that works on Windows
applications exactly the way the linux version does?  I'm very likely
ignorant on that level if it does exist.
I can see three possible solutions in this case:

1.  Use a third party mailer that is used on both Windows and Linux and
have the application call that
2.  Build in mail capabilities to the application.
3.  Have each of the desktop clients use a web call to a local, secure
web server that does the mailing.
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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[John Andersen]

On Sunday 13 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:
> John Andersen wrote:
 
> But I was thinking, why do you even need an _external_ mail program.
> Depending upon your system, wouldn't using a SMTP control or even
> library be easier, depending upon what you needed to do exactly.

As someone who has had to do that, I can tell you it gets fairly
complex, especially when a varying number of attachments are 
to be sent.  If you can find a library it would of course be easier
but there are still a zillion options you may have to implement
and you might end up writing it closer to the platform than you
really wanted.


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Pueblo Native]

John Andersen wrote:
> On Sunday 13 May 2007, scsijon wrote:
>  
>   
>> The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's
>> functions (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement
>> that has a scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both
>> have windows and linux versions so he only has to create one version of
>> source code.
>> 
>
> As I understand it, Kmail has command line capabilities which
> can be controlled thru Dcop.  
>
> However "mail" command in linux has been available since dirt
> and can (and often is) used to automate messages etc.
>
>   
Dirt 2.0 or 3.0? ;-)
But I was thinking, why do you even need an _external_ mail program. 
Depending upon your system, wouldn't using a SMTP control or even
library be easier, depending upon what you needed to do exactly.
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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Mike McMullin]

On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 19:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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> 
> The Sunday 2007-05-13 at 17:31 +0200, Rikard Johnels wrote:
> 
> > > > > The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's
> > > > > functions (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a
> > > > > replacement that has a scriptable interface. He would like whichever 
> > > > > is
> > > > > used to both have windows and linux versions so he only has to create
> > > > > one version of source code.
> 
> ...
> 
> > As stated above, what do you need of Eudora's functionality?
> > The mail client for reading? The addressbook for sending of mails?
> 
> 
> You just have to read above the original mail from the OP:
> 
> |> ... that has a scriptable interface. 

  And that the scripts are there for Eudora, that being what is in use
now.  

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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[John Andersen]

On Sunday 13 May 2007, scsijon wrote:
 
>
> The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's
> functions (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement
> that has a scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both
> have windows and linux versions so he only has to create one version of
> source code.

As I understand it, Kmail has command line capabilities which
can be controlled thru Dcop.  

However "mail" command in linux has been available since dirt
and can (and often is) used to automate messages etc.



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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Sunday 2007-05-13 at 20:10 +0200, jdd wrote:

> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> > | > ... that has a scriptable interface. 
> 
> why not use "mail" ??

We'll have to wait till "scsijon" clarifies what they need.

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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[jdd]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

|> ... that has a scriptable interface. 


why not use "mail" ??

jdd


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Sunday 2007-05-13 at 17:31 +0200, Rikard Johnels wrote:

> > > > The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's
> > > > functions (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a
> > > > replacement that has a scriptable interface. He would like whichever is
> > > > used to both have windows and linux versions so he only has to create
> > > > one version of source code.

...

> As stated above, what do you need of Eudora's functionality?
> The mail client for reading? The addressbook for sending of mails?


You just have to read above the original mail from the OP:

|> ... that has a scriptable interface. 

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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Rikard Johnels]

On Sunday 13 May 2007 17:05, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 10:39 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:
> > > I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a transport
> > > firm.
> > >
> > > They have no problem with it being linux providing everything they have
> > > now, they will have afterwards as they are expanding from the current
> > > four depots and twelve staff and have planned to have fifteen depots
> > > and about twenty five staff by the end of the year.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately one of the principal packages they use was written for a
> > > Native Windows environment.
> > >
> > > Fortunately the programmer is a local and after some "discussion" is
> > > willing to create a linux version as he is writing a major upgrade at
> > > present and providing I can help him, and with some answers
> > >
> > > The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's
> > > functions (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a
> > > replacement that has a scriptable interface. He would like whichever is
> > > used to both have windows and linux versions so he only has to create
> > > one version of source code.
> > >
> > > Any sugestions?
> >
> >   IIRC Eudora runs under wine.
>
>   I just had a look at the Eudora site, it's been discontinued, and
> picked up by Mozilla as Penelope.  The company may not be able to use
> this on their new systems.

And why would they want run a windows application under wine when they WANT to 
migrate to Linux???

As stated above, what do you need of Eudora's functionality?
The mail client for reading? The addressbook for sending of mails?


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Re: [opensuse] Mail Program wanted?

[Mike McMullin]

On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 10:39 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:
> > I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a transport 
> > firm.
> > 
> > They have no problem with it being linux providing everything they have now,
> > they will have afterwards as they are expanding from the current four depots
> > and twelve staff and have planned to have fifteen depots and about twenty 
> > five
> > staff by the end of the year.
> > 
> > Unfortunately one of the principal packages they use was written for a 
> > Native
> > Windows environment.
> > 
> > Fortunately the programmer is a local and after some "discussion" is willing
> > to create a linux version as he is writing a major upgrade at present and
> > providing I can help him, and with some answers
> > 
> > The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's 
> > functions
> > (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement that has a
> > scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both have windows
> > and linux versions so he only has to create one version of source code.
> > 
> > Any sugestions?
> 
>   IIRC Eudora runs under wine.

  I just had a look at the Eudora site, it's been discontinued, and
picked up by Mozilla as Penelope.  The company may not be able to use
this on their new systems.

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[Mike McMullin]

On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:
> I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a transport firm.
> 
> They have no problem with it being linux providing everything they have now,
> they will have afterwards as they are expanding from the current four depots
> and twelve staff and have planned to have fifteen depots and about twenty five
> staff by the end of the year.
> 
> Unfortunately one of the principal packages they use was written for a Native
> Windows environment.
> 
> Fortunately the programmer is a local and after some "discussion" is willing
> to create a linux version as he is writing a major upgrade at present and
> providing I can help him, and with some answers
> 
> The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's functions
> (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement that has a
> scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both have windows
> and linux versions so he only has to create one version of source code.
> 
> Any sugestions?

  IIRC Eudora runs under wine.

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[Pueblo Native]

scsijon wrote:
> The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's
> functions
> (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement that
> has a
> scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both have
> windows
> and linux versions so he only has to create one version of source code.


I'm in the dark a little as to what exactly are you needing to script? 
Are you just needing for it to write an e-mail out and prepare it
through the mail client, or do you actually need to send the e-mail from
the program?  I'd check out Thunderbird in either case, as that is the
major client I know is available in both Windows and Linux versions.
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:57:30 -0400
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Subject: Re: [opensuse] mail


On Sunday 22 April 2007 00:32, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-21-07 21:59]:
>  [...]
>
> > What he doesn't seem to grasp is that KMail doesn't delete email from
> > the directory it's in unless you tell it to do so, ...
>
> What he doesn't understand is the difference between 'move' and 'save as'.

There isn't any "move", there is only a "save as" just like Eudora.  But
what
happens isn't.

that is untrue, you aren't following the instructions they gave you.
All mail you see in kmail has been downloaded to your computer. So it's all
"saved" And you needn't open it in a separate window, the messages are
readable from the lower right pane of your kmail window. ( your message
list is above this window. If you don't see this "prevue" pane, you need to
adjust your kmail window.) 

The advantage of using your preview window is that opened version of your
message doesn't appear. So you don't ever need to worry about how to
explain this to the list again. 

in the menu that appears when you right click the message, as others have
told you , there is a "copy to" and "move to' option , as well as the move
option when you "grab" the message and drag it to another folder. you *can*
even save them to your desktop.. but that is messy.
Someone else told you that you can move and save as to any other location
in the world. The question you haven't answered is, why you would want to.
If you don't want to keep all the emails you probably have in your "mail"
folder, you should delete them from the message list and keep the ones you
wish in kmail in folders that make sense to you. IIRC Rajko gave you very
complete instructions. 
Alternatively, buy a linux book. There is bound to be at least one that
gives you enough detail to fix your problem in some way that makes you
happy w/o driving everyone else crazy.

Repetedly restating your belief that is doesn't work correctly doesn't make
it so. And BTW why don't you get a linux version of Eurora if that is your
prefered client?


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[Doug McGarrett]

On Sunday 22 April 2007 00:32, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-21-07 21:59]:
>  [...]
>
> > What he doesn't seem to grasp is that KMail doesn't delete email from
> > the directory it's in unless you tell it to do so, ...
>
> What he doesn't understand is the difference between 'move' and 'save as'.

There isn't any "move", there is only a "save as" just like Eudora.  But what
happens isn't.
>
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[Rajko M.]

On Saturday 21 April 2007 23:04, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On Saturday 21 April 2007 20:41, Rajko M. wrote:
>
>
> I think I understand what you have sent me, but I don't want to keep
> every message tha I receive, only a couple that may be useful to me.
> I seem to be able to do that in the KDE KMail, so I don't have a problem
> there.  What I wish was happening was that when I saved a mail to a
> directory, it would go to a "saved" mode, or whatever Linux calls it, and
> not still be on the screen.  It should be closed, and only show up on the
> list of messages already read.  In other words, it should have been moved
> to the directory, and not still be on screen.  Am I making sense?  If
> anyone here has used Eudora, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, and
> perhaps you can explain it better than I can.  I like KMail.  I would like
> it better if I could save certain notes without the goofy problem.

OK, I get it. 

I guess that with KMail is possible the same.
Create folder and name it Archive, or whatever name makes sense. 
I already said that almost every mail program can read mbox files. 
That means you can copy Archive on the USB stick, and have your archive on any 
computer.

KMail keeps all in:
~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/
The file Archive in that directory is your archive. Another good thing about 
mbox format is that you can use any simple text editor to open them to read 
and search for messages. In editor it will look similar to what you can see 
in KMail when you select message and press v, but betwen headers you can read 
messages. 
 
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[John Andersen]

On Saturday 21 April 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> When you go to the Local Folders/inbox - KMail, you are presented with
> (under File) "Save As".  So you do that.  Then you tell it OK, or whatever
> it says then.  And now you would like to read your next email, but under
> the display, is the old email that you just saved, and you don't want to
> read it anymore.  You have to snap on that, go to the X on the top, and
> stop it. Eudora doesn't work that way, and neither should KMail.  It's a
> PITA, and should not be necessary.  I hope that now I have explained what
> nobody seems to have grasped before.

Why in gods name are you saving email as a FILE?
And where did you get the idea that just because you SAVED A COPY of the
email that the ORIGINAL would disappear?  

It is highly unusual to SAVE emails as files.  Not entirely unheard of, but 
not something people normally do.

If you have mails you want to save:

1) You right click on "Local Folders" at the top and select "New Folder..."
2) You then give this new folder a name, perhaps something like
   "Mail I Want to Save for Later"
  or 
   "Aunt Millie's Jokes"

3) Then, when Millie sends you a keeper, your Click on it's subject line
in the message LIST window (which is usually at the top) and KEEPING YOUR
LEFT MOUSE BUTTON PUSHED, you move the mouse to Aunt Millie's Jokes
folder in the folder list.  Then you let up on the mouse button, and answer
the question indicating you want to MOVE the message here, or COPY the
message here.

CONGRATULATIONS: You have just mastered the technique of DRAGGING.

BUT the key point is leave the mail inside of Kmail.  Don't go depositing it
all over you file system via Save AS.  Save as is for exporting mail
as a regular text file to some other part of your file system, where you will
find it generally looks like a mess, as each mail is a separate file with
headers and all sorts of un-interesting stuff cluttering up the place.

The reason you think Kmail does not behave right is you are using it wrong.

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* Robert Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-21-07 21:59]:
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> What he doesn't seem to grasp is that KMail doesn't delete email from
> the directory it's in unless you tell it to do so, ...

What he doesn't understand is the difference between 'move' and 'save as'.


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[Doug McGarrett]

On Saturday 21 April 2007 20:41, Rajko M. wrote:


I think I understand what you have sent me, but I don't want to keep
every message tha I receive, only a couple that may be useful to me.
I seem to be able to do that in the KDE KMail, so I don't have a problem
there.  What I wish was happening was that when I saved a mail to a 
directory, it would go to a "saved" mode, or whatever Linux calls it, and not 
still be on the screen.  It should be closed, and only show up on the list
of messages already read.  In other words, it should have been moved to
the directory, and not still be on screen.  Am I making sense?  If anyone 
here has used Eudora, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, and perhaps
you can explain it better than I can.  I like KMail.  I would like it better 
if I could save certain notes without the goofy problem.

-doug


> On Saturday 21 April 2007 18:23, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > When you go to the Local Folders/inbox - KMail, you are presented with
> > (under File) "Save As".  So you do that.  Then you tell it OK, or
> > whatever it says then.  And now you would like to read your next email,
> > but under the display, is the old email that you just saved, and you
> > don't want to read it anymore.  You have to snap on that, go to the X on
> > the top, and stop it. Eudora doesn't work that way, and neither should
> > KMail.  It's a PITA, and should not be necessary.  I hope that now I have
> > explained what nobody seems to have grasped before.
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> You can see Local Folders in left panel.
> Underneat, shifted right are inbox, outbox, sent-mail, trash, drafts, that
> are subfolders of folder called "Local Folders".
>
> If you want to organize your mail for instance to have private mail
> separate from mail lists, you can create more subfolders of "Local
> Folders". It is simple:
> - Bring mouse pointer over "Local Folders" and click right button.
>   It will show drop down menu where first entry is "New Folder".
> - Click on "New Folder" and it will show small window that is asking for
> Name and Mailbox format.
> - Type as Name for instance Private.
> - For Mailbox format choose mbox. This format is a single file archive that
>   is supported by most email clients (for Thunderbird it is default format)
>   and it gives better access times on large number of stored mails.
> - Click OK.
>
> You can see now new folder underneat drafts folder with name Private.
>
> Using above method you can create more folders for different purposes.
>
> For opensuse mail lists I created "opensuse" folder, and that one has
> another layer of sub-subfolders for each mail list one. For
> opensuse@opensuse.org I made folder with name "main".
>
> Why is this better than saving mails using "Save As ..."?
> This internal KMail folders allow you to create and use filters that will
> put all incoming mails in separate folder automatically. To create filters
> look in drop down menu Settings, item "Configure Filters ...".
>
> There is no special need to separate mail to read and unread.
> KMail marks them automatically:
> - unread that just arrived is red color text
> - unread from before is dark blue,
> - read messages are normal black color.
>
> Threading has to be enabled for each new folder.
> In a drop down menu Folder look for item "Thread Messages".
>
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[Robert Smits]

On Saturday 21 April 2007 14:41, John Andersen wrote:
> On Friday 20 April 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > The problem with the
> > KMail I have mentioned before:  when you save a mail to
> > the "documents", or wherever it goes, it copies itself to the
> > screen under the existing picture instead of just disappearing,
> > as it does in Eudora.
>
> You need to explain click by click, what it is you are doing.
>
> What is this "Documents "thing you refer to?   There is nothing
> in Kmail labeled "Documents".
>
>

No, but if you use file/saveas, the default location it puts the file in is 
the documents file in your home directory.

What he doesn't seem to grasp is that KMail doesn't delete email from the 
directory it's in unless you tell it to do so, nor does he seem to realize 
you cancreate folders for your mail in KMail - I have for example, about 30 
of them and my filters neatly pack away my email in categories. Some I keep 
forever, some I set to delete almost immediately. And I can highlight a 
series of emails in any folder, including the In folder, and drag them to any 
other folder.

Bob


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[Rajko M.]

On Saturday 21 April 2007 18:23, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> When you go to the Local Folders/inbox - KMail, you are presented with
> (under File) "Save As".  So you do that.  Then you tell it OK, or whatever
> it says then.  And now you would like to read your next email, but under
> the display, is the old email that you just saved, and you don't want to
> read it anymore.  You have to snap on that, go to the X on the top, and
> stop it. Eudora doesn't work that way, and neither should KMail.  It's a
> PITA, and should not be necessary.  I hope that now I have explained what
> nobody seems to have grasped before.

Hi Doug,

You can see Local Folders in left panel. 
Underneat, shifted right are inbox, outbox, sent-mail, trash, drafts, that are 
subfolders of folder called "Local Folders". 

If you want to organize your mail for instance to have private mail separate 
from mail lists, you can create more subfolders of "Local Folders". It is 
simple:
- Bring mouse pointer over "Local Folders" and click right button. 
  It will show drop down menu where first entry is "New Folder". 
- Click on "New Folder" and it will show small window that is asking for Name
  and Mailbox format. 
- Type as Name for instance Private. 
- For Mailbox format choose mbox. This format is a single file archive that
  is supported by most email clients (for Thunderbird it is default format) 
  and it gives better access times on large number of stored mails. 
- Click OK. 

You can see now new folder underneat drafts folder with name Private. 

Using above method you can create more folders for different purposes. 

For opensuse mail lists I created "opensuse" folder, and that one has another 
layer of sub-subfolders for each mail list one. For opensuse@opensuse.org I 
made folder with name "main". 

Why is this better than saving mails using "Save As ..."? 
This internal KMail folders allow you to create and use filters that will put 
all incoming mails in separate folder automatically. To create filters look 
in drop down menu Settings, item "Configure Filters ...".

There is no special need to separate mail to read and unread. 
KMail marks them automatically:
- unread that just arrived is red color text
- unread from before is dark blue,
- read messages are normal black color.

Threading has to be enabled for each new folder.
In a drop down menu Folder look for item "Thread Messages". 
 
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[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 21 April 2007 16:23, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> ...
>
> When you go to the Local Folders/inbox - KMail, you are presented
> with (under File) "Save As".  So you do that.  Then you tell it OK,
> or whatever it says then.  And now you would like to read your next
> email, but under the display, is the old email that you just saved,
> and you don't want to read it anymore.

BFD. Go on to the next mail. "Save as..." does just that. In what 
application does "Save as..." delete the saved entity? Very few, I'd 
venture to guess.


> You have to snap on that, go to the X on the top, and stop it.

I hate to say it, but what you write makes no sense at all.


> Eudora doesn't work that way, and 
> neither should KMail.  It's a PITA, and should not be necessary.  I
> hope that now I have explained what nobody seems to have grasped
> before.

Nope. Keep trying, if you care to get us to understand your travails...


> Some correspondents have talked about "dragging and dropping" an
> email to a directory.  I have no idea how to do that.  The directory
> that all the emails are saved to is  home/doug/Documents.  It would
> help if I could use some different directories, for different email
> lists, like mw, but I don't know how to do this.

Mail is unto itself, ordinarily. All mail clients I know of manage the 
storage of the messages they manage in their own way. Why should it be 
otherwise? KMail gives you more options than most, insofar as it allows 
you to choose either file-per-message or file-per-mailbox on a mailbox 
by mailbox basis.


> I don't have any 
> directories displayed to drag and drop anything to.  And, to be
> honest, I expect to use "Save as" so that I can control the name of
> the file, such as file, file_1, file_2, etc, which I could not do
> with drag and drop.

When you use KMail's "Save as..." command, you are in complete control 
of the name and directory of the file into which the message is save. 
What more could you want?

Manage your mail within your mail client, OK? Why would you want, on a 
routine basis, to move mail out of the mail software? Once you do it is 
clearly not under the management of your mail program.

Create folders within KMail for each distribution list and / or 
correspondent, and / or activity you're subscribed to or involved in. 
Then either manually or via filter move incoming mail to those folders.

I dare say, in 2007 this is not rocket science.


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[Doug McGarrett]

On Saturday 21 April 2007 17:41, John Andersen wrote:
> On Friday 20 April 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > The problem with the
> > KMail I have mentioned before:  when you save a mail to
> > the "documents", or wherever it goes, it copies itself to the
> > screen under the existing picture instead of just disappearing,
> > as it does in Eudora.
>
> You need to explain click by click, what it is you are doing.
>
> What is this "Documents "thing you refer to?   There is nothing
> in Kmail labeled "Documents".
>
>
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When you go to the Local Folders/inbox - KMail, you are presented with
(under File) "Save As".  So you do that.  Then you tell it OK, or whatever it
says then.  And now you would like to read your next email, but under the
display, is the old email that you just saved, and you don't want to read it 
anymore.  You have to snap on that, go to the X on the top, and stop it.  
Eudora doesn't work that way, and neither should KMail.  It's a PITA, and
should not be necessary.  I hope that now I have explained what nobody seems
to have grasped before.

Some correspondents have talked about "dragging and dropping" an email to 
a directory.  I have no idea how to do that.  The directory that all the 
emails are saved to is  home/doug/Documents.  It would help if I could 
use some different directories, for different email lists, like mw, but I 
don't know how to do this.  I don't have any directories displayed to drag 
and drop anything to.  And, to be honest, I expect to use "Save as" so that
I can control the name of the file, such as file, file_1, file_2, etc, which I 
could not do with drag and drop.
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[Registration Account]

You can have a single click in Windows  go to Control Panel and go to
folder options - Best I can help you with, however if you need help with
you Local Security Policy - go right ahead and ask

Scott

Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Hi--
> I am surprised to find that I actually like the KMail program 
> just a little bit more than the  Eudora program.  I have my 
> Windows machine back on line, more or less, and I have been
> using both machines and programs.  The problem with the 
> KMail I have mentioned before:  when you save a mail to
> the "documents", or wherever it goes, it copies itself to the 
> screen under the existing picture instead of just disappearing, 
> as it does in Eudora.  This is a bad usage, and it should be 
> fixed. 
>
> After using Linux for a couple of months, I find that it is a
> kind of PITA to have to double-snap to get things to work
> in Windows.  I wonder if there is a way to make Windows 
> work with a single click?  Somebody knows.
>
> One of these days I may use Linux only, but I can't do it
> yet.
>
> --doug
>
>
>
>   


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[John Andersen]

On Friday 20 April 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> The problem with the
> KMail I have mentioned before:  when you save a mail to
> the "documents", or wherever it goes, it copies itself to the
> screen under the existing picture instead of just disappearing,
> as it does in Eudora.

You need to explain click by click, what it is you are doing.

What is this "Documents "thing you refer to?   There is nothing
in Kmail labeled "Documents".


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[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 20 April 2007 21:33, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Hi--
> ...  The problem with the
> KMail I have mentioned before:  when you save a mail to
> the "documents", or wherever it goes, it copies itself to the
> screen under the existing picture instead of just disappearing,
> as it does in Eudora.  This is a bad usage, and it should be
> fixed.

I still cannot understand what is happening and how it differs from what 
you want. What is "the existing picture?" What "copies itself"?

If you drag a message to a new folder in KMail, the default is to move 
it. If you hold down the CTRL key, the message is copied (and the drag 
icon gets a plus sign (+) to signify this variant action).

Perhaps you're trying to drag icons out of KMail alltogether? This is 
the equivalent to the "Save As..." command. As such, removing the 
message from the mailbox would not be appropriate.

Whatever it is you're not liking, I dont't think it needs to be "fixed."


> After using Linux for a couple of months, I find that it is a
> kind of PITA to have to double-snap to get things to work
> in Windows.  I wonder if there is a way to make Windows
> work with a single click?  Somebody knows.

It's an available option, though personally I hate it. In the Control 
Panel folder, open the Folder Options control panel (this control panel 
is also accessible from the Tools menu of Windows Explorer). In Folder 
Options' General tab, in its third section, you control single- or 
double-click to open desktop items. It applies to items in Windows 
Explorer, as well.


> ...
>
> --doug


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Re: [opensuse] mail

[Rajko M.]

On Friday 20 April 2007 23:33, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Hi--
> I am surprised to find that I actually like the KMail program
> just a little bit more than the  Eudora program.  I have my
> Windows machine back on line, more or less, and I have been
> using both machines and programs.  The problem with the
> KMail I have mentioned before:  when you save a mail to
> the "documents", or wherever it goes, it copies itself to the
> screen under the existing picture instead of just disappearing,
> as it does in Eudora.  This is a bad usage, and it should be
> fixed.

Not really clear what you are doing as "Documents" directory exists in your 
home directory. 
Do you saving mail that is in inbox of Kmail externally using Save As from 
File menu? 

In KMail you can create file structure (directories and subdirectories 
of "Local Folders") and all mails can be sorted nicely there. Right click 
on "Local Folders" and select "New Folder" type for instance "openSUSE" and 
you will see new folder. Now you can again create subfolder of this folder 
for each of mail lists on opensuse. For instance make "opensuse" for 
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If you want to save mail from inbox just drag and drop, when you release mouse 
button it will ask you Move Here, Copy Here, Cancel. 

There is more convenient way to move mails using filters, that you can create 
on the fly. Right click on message in inbox and select "Create Filter". I 
guess that further steps are obvious, if not there is Help for KMail that 
explains details. 

If you have only emails from one list in the folder than you can tell KMail so 
and then when you want to write new mails to that group, you can do so by 
right click on that folder and select New Message to Mail-list.  

> After using Linux for a couple of months, I find that it is a
> kind of PITA to have to double-snap to get things to work
> in Windows.  I wonder if there is a way to make Windows
> work with a single click?  Somebody knows.

Yes there is the way to use single click in windows, I guess that is default 
in some versions, but there is no way to select text in browser and than open 
editor, click middle button (or wheel, or both buttons with 2 button mice) 
and text is copied to editor. 
Bad thing with this method is, if you select another text before you copied 
first you have to right click on clipboard icon in task bar and find first 
one in the list, mark and than it will be copied to the target program. 
Good thing is that you can have few texts stored in clipboard. 
Another goodie is that you can have one text stored under middle mouse button, 
and another under Ctrl-c --> Ctrl-v. Endless possibilities. 

> One of these days I may use Linux only, but I can't do it
> yet.
>
> --doug

You can't abandon it completely if you have collection of games, couple of 
paid programs that you are used to and, even of equivalent exists in Linux, 
you don't want to learn how to use it, not to mention if you have your own 
templates that you developed trough the time, etc. 

My switch to the Linux wasn't abrupt, it was merely walk. I used it more and 
more as windows based programs were obsoleted, and I didn't want to buy newer 
versions and learn how to use them. 
 
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Re: [opensuse] mail

[M Harris]

On Friday 20 April 2007 23:33, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> The problem with the
> KMail I have mentioned before:  
The more you use kmail the better you will like it.   

> After using Linux for a couple of months, I find that it is a
> kind of PITA to have to double-snap to get things to work
> in Windows.  
I found that after using Linux for a couple of months using windoze 
increasingly became a PITA generally.  In fact I think its fair to say that 
you could categorize windoze as a general purpose PITA.

> I wonder if there is a way to make Windows 
> work with a single click?  Somebody knows.
Hold on... I'll try to figure it out using one of my windoze 
partitions... 
oops... sorry, ahahaahahhah, just remembered--- I don't have any windoze 
partitions!  :)





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Re: [opensuse] mail kontact kmail setup

[M Harris]

On Friday 26 January 2007 13:48, Anders Johansson wrote:
> Try Settings->Configure kmail->Account settings->Check interval
>
> It should also be somewhere in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kmailrc
Thanks much... to all responders!

The kmailrc file is the one I needed... I need to be able to 
check/set/disable the interval with a script.

Thanks again.





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Re: [opensuse] mail kontact kmail setup

[Phil Savoie]

On Friday 26 January 2007 14:45, M Harris wrote:
> hi folks,
>   Where does Mail Kontact Kmail hide the controls for determining how 
> often
> an automatic "check for mail" will occur?
>
>   Thanks
>
>
>
> --
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>
> M Harris <><

Hi,

Check /home//.kde/share/config/kmailrc

Regards,

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Re: [opensuse] mail kontact kmail setup

[Don Raboud]

On Friday 26 January 2007 12:45, M Harris wrote:
> hi folks,
>   Where does Mail Kontact Kmail hide the controls for determining how 
> often
> an automatic "check for mail" will occur?

Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Accounts -> 
-> Modify

near the bottom, "check interval"

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Re: [opensuse] mail kontact kmail setup

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On Friday 26 January 2007 20:45, M Harris wrote:
> hi folks,
>   Where does Mail Kontact Kmail hide the controls for determining how 
> often
> an automatic "check for mail" will occur?

"Mail Kontact Kmail"?

Try Settings->Configure kmail->Account settings->Check interval

It should also be somewhere in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kmailrc

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Tuesday January 02 2007 9:23 am, John E. Perry wrote:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > On Monday January 01 2007 3:17 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >>> This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE,
> >>> including their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a
> >>> /home/xxx/firefox directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in
> >>> it. Now, WHY is there so
> >>
> >> [Are you sure about the .firefox dir because I don't think I have ever
> >> seen one only the .mozilla directory?]
> >
> > I worked yesterday over 12 hours, and was up for 20, then came home and
> > tried to find that file. "Deaf and dumb" in both eyesshould have just
> > gone to bed. ;) Now, if I can find the line again that needs to be put in
> > there, I'll be all set. :)
>
> Well, don't feel too bad.  I have the .firefox directory in my home
> directory right now, I believe because an older version of firefox put
> it there, and it never got removed when I updated to a newer version.
>
> I've looked into both, and know that firefox currently uses
> .mozilla/firefox; the most recent entry in .firefox is 7/19/06
> (libjavaplugin_oji.so), and many of the entries under .mozilla/firefox
> are today (I just now started my session).

Thanks John. I did the same thing to determin "what" was being used and "what" 
isn't. ;)

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[John E. Perry]

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On Monday January 01 2007 3:17 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>> This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE, including
>>> their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a /home/xxx/firefox
>>> directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in it. Now, WHY is there
>>> so
>> [Are you sure about the .firefox dir because I don't think I have ever
>> seen one only the .mozilla directory?]
> 
> I worked yesterday over 12 hours, and was up for 20, then came home and tried 
> to find that file. "Deaf and dumb" in both eyesshould have just gone to 
> bed. ;) Now, if I can find the line again that needs to be put in there, I'll 
> be all set. :)

Well, don't feel too bad.  I have the .firefox directory in my home
directory right now, I believe because an older version of firefox put
it there, and it never got removed when I updated to a newer version.

I've looked into both, and know that firefox currently uses
.mozilla/firefox; the most recent entry in .firefox is 7/19/06
(libjavaplugin_oji.so), and many of the entries under .mozilla/firefox
are today (I just now started my session).

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Monday January 01 2007 3:17 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> > This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE, including
> > their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a /home/xxx/firefox
> > directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in it. Now, WHY is there
> > so
>
> [Are you sure about the .firefox dir because I don't think I have ever
> seen one only the .mozilla directory?]

I worked yesterday over 12 hours, and was up for 20, then came home and tried 
to find that file. "Deaf and dumb" in both eyesshould have just gone to 
bed. ;) Now, if I can find the line again that needs to be put in there, I'll 
be all set. :)

Thanks to all!

Fred

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Fred Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-01-07 19:03]:
 [...]
> Yep.I'm sure. 'Pure openSUSE boxNO FF from Mozilla.

jumping the gun a little here  :^).  It's not Firefox from Mozilla,
it's from openSUSE.  The openSUSE Firefox install, MozillaFirefox
places the user/pref files below ~/.mozilla/firefox, and has for some
time.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Monday January 01 2007 3:17 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > On Monday January 01 2007 1:59 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >> Of course editing this file won't work - it's not the file.
> >>
> >> Something is really screwed up there Fred if you can only find the one
> >> prefs.js on your system.
> >>
> >> Below are all the prefs.js file on my 10.2 install - and not all relate
> >> to FF or TB. Because I do not use FF or Thunderbird (TB) as they are
> >> installed by 10.2 itself (I install my own, from mozilla.org into my
> >> /home directory) the prefs.js in /usr are only cosmetic entries - it's
> >> the ones in the /home directory which are the active ones (for FF and
> >> TB).
> >>
> >> /home/basil/.thunderbird/xx.default/prefs.js
> >> /home/basil/firefox/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
> >> /home/basil/firefox/defaults/profile/prefs.js
> >
> > This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE, including
> > their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a /home/xxx/firefox
> > directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in it. Now, WHY is there
> > so
>
> [Are you sure about the .firefox dir because I don't think I have ever
> seen one only the .mozilla directory?]

Yep.I'm sure. 'Pure openSUSE boxNO FF from Mozilla.

> > much difference between what SUSE is shipping and what installs from the
> > FF site?!
>
> Don't worry about these 2 entries-
>
>/home/basil/firefox/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
>/home/basil/firefox/defaults/profile/prefs.js
>
> because I install FF and TB in my /home directory hence this "firefox"
> directory which contains the executables; the profile files are in the
> ".mozilla" directory and this is where you should be finding the
> prefs.js file under discussion.

Nope. :(

> In your case, however, I expect to find the 2 files you just mentioned
> (above) in /usr/lib/firefox/defaults/pref/ because you are using the
> Suse installed FF. But in your earlier msg you stated that you only have
> the 1 prefs.js file in some obscure location which is what I was
> querying because the Suse installed FF goes into /usr/lib/firefox/ and
> there are prefs.js files there (but as "samples" only).

'Why I got cornfused. ;) The one you address above was/is the first one I 
found...before the other dir.

Fred

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Tom Patton]

On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 19:17 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > On Monday January 01 2007 1:59 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >> Of course editing this file won't work - it's not the file.
> >>
> >> Something is really screwed up there Fred if you can only find the one
> >> prefs.js on your system.
> >>
> >> 
Confirming, in my 10.2 install, straight SUSE from boxDVD, I have in
home:
~/.mozilla/firefox/xxx.default/prefs.js

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Basil Chupin]

James Tremblay wrote:

Speaking of mail from firefox,
how do I tell firefox to use kmail on "mailto" links?


 This is exactly what this thread is about.

Go to the archives to find the answer.

Hint: try here-

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=opensuse&m=116752948726554&w=2

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[James Tremblay]

Speaking of mail from firefox,
how do I tell firefox to use kmail on "mailto" links?
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Basil Chupin]

Fred A. Miller wrote:

On Monday January 01 2007 1:59 am, Basil Chupin wrote:

Of course editing this file won't work - it's not the file.

Something is really screwed up there Fred if you can only find the one
prefs.js on your system.

Below are all the prefs.js file on my 10.2 install - and not all relate
to FF or TB. Because I do not use FF or Thunderbird (TB) as they are
installed by 10.2 itself (I install my own, from mozilla.org into my
/home directory) the prefs.js in /usr are only cosmetic entries - it's
the ones in the /home directory which are the active ones (for FF and TB).

/home/basil/.thunderbird/xx.default/prefs.js
/home/basil/firefox/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
/home/basil/firefox/defaults/profile/prefs.js


This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE, including 
their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a /home/xxx/firefox 
directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in it. Now, WHY is there so 


[Are you sure about the .firefox dir because I don't think I have ever 
seen one only the .mozilla directory?]



much difference between what SUSE is shipping and what installs from the FF 
site?!



Don't worry about these 2 entries-

  /home/basil/firefox/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
  /home/basil/firefox/defaults/profile/prefs.js

because I install FF and TB in my /home directory hence this "firefox" 
directory which contains the executables; the profile files are in the 
".mozilla" directory and this is where you should be finding the 
prefs.js file under discussion.


In your case, however, I expect to find the 2 files you just mentioned 
(above) in /usr/lib/firefox/defaults/pref/ because you are using the 
Suse installed FF. But in your earlier msg you stated that you only have 
the 1 prefs.js file in some obscure location which is what I was 
querying because the Suse installed FF goes into /usr/lib/firefox/ and 
there are prefs.js files there (but as "samples" only).


Cheers.



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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Monday January 01 2007 1:59 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> Of course editing this file won't work - it's not the file.
>
> Something is really screwed up there Fred if you can only find the one
> prefs.js on your system.
>
> Below are all the prefs.js file on my 10.2 install - and not all relate
> to FF or TB. Because I do not use FF or Thunderbird (TB) as they are
> installed by 10.2 itself (I install my own, from mozilla.org into my
> /home directory) the prefs.js in /usr are only cosmetic entries - it's
> the ones in the /home directory which are the active ones (for FF and TB).
>
> /home/basil/.thunderbird/xx.default/prefs.js
> /home/basil/firefox/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
> /home/basil/firefox/defaults/profile/prefs.js

This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE, including 
their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a /home/xxx/firefox 
directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in it. Now, WHY is there so 
much difference between what SUSE is shipping and what installs from the FF 
site?!

Fred

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Basil Chupin]

Fred A. Miller wrote:

On Sunday December 31 2006 2:18 am, Basil Chupin wrote:

No...doesn't work. Under perferences and a right click, NO menu comes
up.

Well, it does Fred or at least it should :-) .

Which version of FF are you using?

BTW, whatever you can access via about:config is actually what is in the
file prefs.js inside the ./mozilla directory so you can edit that file
and add the required line(s).


The ONLY prefs.js file is in: /opt/gnome/share/themes/QtCurve/mozilla
and editing it doesn't work. :(


Of course editing this file won't work - it's not the file.

Something is really screwed up there Fred if you can only find the one 
prefs.js on your system.


Below are all the prefs.js file on my 10.2 install - and not all relate 
to FF or TB. Because I do not use FF or Thunderbird (TB) as they are 
installed by 10.2 itself (I install my own, from mozilla.org into my 
/home directory) the prefs.js in /usr are only cosmetic entries - it's 
the ones in the /home directory which are the active ones (for FF and TB).


/home/basil/.thunderbird/xx.default/prefs.js
/home/basil/firefox/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
/home/basil/firefox/defaults/profile/prefs.js 
<---x

/home/basil/firefox/greprefs/security-prefs.js
/home/basil/thunderbird/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
/home/basil/thunderbird/defaults/profile/prefs.js
/home/basil/thunderbird/greprefs/security-prefs.js
/usr/lib/firefox/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
/usr/lib/firefox/defaults/profile/prefs.js
/usr/lib/firefox/greprefs/security-prefs.js
/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1b2/greprefs/security-prefs.js
/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1b2/simple/defaults/preferences/simple-prefs.js
/usr/share/YaST2/yastbrowser/defaults/preferences/yastbrowser-prefs.js

I would be backing up any needed files in the FF installation (like 
bookmarks, passwords) and reinstalling FF to make sure it is all 
correctly installed.


Cheers.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Sunday December 31 2006 2:18 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> > No...doesn't work. Under perferences and a right click, NO menu comes
> > up.
>
> Well, it does Fred or at least it should :-) .
>
> Which version of FF are you using?
>
> BTW, whatever you can access via about:config is actually what is in the
> file prefs.js inside the ./mozilla directory so you can edit that file
> and add the required line(s).

The ONLY prefs.js file is in: /opt/gnome/share/themes/QtCurve/mozilla
and editing it doesn't work. :(

Thanks,

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Sunday December 31 2006 2:18 am, Basil Chupin wrote:

[snip]

> > No...doesn't work. Under perferences and a right click, NO menu comes
> > up.
>
> Well, it does Fred or at least it should :-) .
>
> Which version of FF are you using?

2.0.0.1

> BTW, whatever you can access via about:config is actually what is in the
> file prefs.js inside the ./mozilla directory so you can edit that file
> and add the required line(s).

Ok.thanks!

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Søndag 31 december 2006 08:18 skrev Basil Chupin:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > On Saturday December 30 2006 8:33 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >> On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> - the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok.
> >>> But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
> >>> Should it be inserted, if so, how?
> >>
> >> Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the
> >> entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New ->
> >> String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm the
> >> dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has other
> >> commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy "Reset" which
> >> will restore the initial / default value or blank for non-built-in
> >> preferences.
> >
> > No...doesn't work. Under perferences and a right click, NO menu comes
> > up.
>
> Well, it does Fred or at least it should :-) .
>
> Which version of FF are you using?
>
> BTW, whatever you can access via about:config is actually what is in the
> file prefs.js inside the ./mozilla directory so you can edit that file
> and add the required line(s).
>
> Cheers.
>
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Hi all,
I got it working by inserting this:

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto", "kmail");

into the *.js file.



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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Peter Nikolic]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 04:11, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Saturday 30 December 2006 19:54, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > Randall R Schulz wrote:
Pruned/



> RRS
Ruddy hell ..

An people say i am the aurgmentutive one ..  Sheesh   cool it lads will ya !. 
it ain even the new year yet and your gooing aat it full tilt  ..

Any how   a question of a similar vein to the original   i use Seamonkey  now 
on the surface it seems thea same  about:config is the same  BUT   it dont 
want to play the game with using Kmail (the best mail program on the planet) 
that will stir a few up no doubt  :-) ..

Has anyone gotten Seamonkey  to use Kmail if so how   please ..



Pete  Oh  BTW Happy new year to all on the list cus this may land quickly 
it may land late ..


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Basil Chupin]

Fred A. Miller wrote:

On Saturday December 30 2006 8:33 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:

On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

...

- the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok.
But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
Should it be inserted, if so, how?

Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the
entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New ->
String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm the
dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has other
commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy "Reset" which
will restore the initial / default value or blank for non-built-in
preferences.


No...doesn't work. Under perferences and a right click, NO menu comes up.


Well, it does Fred or at least it should :-) .

Which version of FF are you using?

BTW, whatever you can access via about:config is actually what is in the 
file prefs.js inside the ./mozilla directory so you can edit that file 
and add the required line(s).


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Saturday December 30 2006 8:33 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > - the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok.
> > But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
> > Should it be inserted, if so, how?
>
> Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the
> entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New ->
> String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm the
> dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has other
> commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy "Reset" which
> will restore the initial / default value or blank for non-built-in
> preferences.

No...doesn't work. Under perferences and a right click, NO menu comes up.

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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 30 December 2006 19:54, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:41, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >>Randall R Schulz wrote:
> >>>On Saturday 30 December 2006 17:39, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> ...
> 
> 'Too bad the 'Bloze version(s) don't work like that. ;)
> >>>
> >>>A) It (they) does (do).
> >>>B) Why do we care?
> >>
> >>A) NO, they dont't!
> >>B) I care! Like now - I'm on a site and stuck with Portable
> >>Thunderbird. I'd like FireFox to use it!!
> >
> > Excuse me?
> >
> > A) Windows Firefox has the same about:config preferences mechanism
> > that the Linux version does.
> >
> > B) This is a Linux list. Our concern about Windows is at best
> > tangential.
> >
> >
> > Furthermore, your statement: "I'm on a site and stuck with Portable
> > Thunderbird. I'd like FireFox to use it" is a complete nonsequitur.
> > We're talking about linking Firefox (on SuSE Linux) to KMail.
> > Thunderbird is neither here nor there.
>
> Quit being an ass. I asked because I wanted the answer primarily for
> SUSE systemsmine and others. I made the comment about the 'Bloze
> version of FF simply because of sites where I HAVE to use their
> equipment, I use Portable FF and Thunderbird on a USB MEM stick. And,
> NO, it DOESN'T work.

Quit calling me an ass. (And quit putting a Reply-To in your postings to 
this list!)

It's still all nonsense. What the hell is "Portable" Firefox and 
Thunderbird that distinguishes them from the ones the rest of us use?

What DOESN'T work? Is there a defect in the Firefox preference mechanism 
in this Portable version you're using? If so, get it fixed.

Really, I don't know what you're going on about. The answer given to the 
question asked was valid and correct, including my elucidation of how 
to carry out the basic procedure constituting that answer.


> Fred


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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Fred A. Miller]

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:41, Fred A. Miller wrote:


Randall R Schulz wrote:


On Saturday 30 December 2006 17:39, Fred A. Miller wrote:


...

'Too bad the 'Bloze version(s) don't work like that. ;)


A) It (they) does (do).
B) Why do we care?


A) NO, they dont't!
B) I care! Like now - I'm on a site and stuck with Portable
Thunderbird. I'd like FireFox to use it!!



Excuse me?

A) Windows Firefox has the same about:config preferences mechanism that 
the Linux version does.


B) This is a Linux list. Our concern about Windows is at best 
tangential.



Furthermore, your statement: "I'm on a site and stuck with Portable 
Thunderbird. I'd like FireFox to use it" is a complete nonsequitur. 
We're talking about linking Firefox (on SuSE Linux) to KMail. 
Thunderbird is neither here nor there.


Quit being an ass. I asked because I wanted the answer primarily for 
SUSE systemsmine and others. I made the comment about the 'Bloze 
version of FF simply because of sites where I HAVE to use their 
equipment, I use Portable FF and Thunderbird on a USB MEM stick. And, 
NO, it DOESN'T work.


Fred

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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 30 December 2006 18:41, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 December 2006 17:39, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >>...
> >>
> >>'Too bad the 'Bloze version(s) don't work like that. ;)
> >
> > A) It (they) does (do).
> > B) Why do we care?
>
> A) NO, they dont't!
> B) I care! Like now - I'm on a site and stuck with Portable
> Thunderbird. I'd like FireFox to use it!!

Excuse me?

A) Windows Firefox has the same about:config preferences mechanism that 
the Linux version does.

B) This is a Linux list. Our concern about Windows is at best 
tangential.


Furthermore, your statement: "I'm on a site and stuck with Portable 
Thunderbird. I'd like FireFox to use it" is a complete nonsequitur. 
We're talking about linking Firefox (on SuSE Linux) to KMail. 
Thunderbird is neither here nor there.


> Fred


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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Fred A. Miller]

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Saturday 30 December 2006 17:39, Fred A. Miller wrote:


Randall R Schulz wrote:


On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:


...

- the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks
ok. But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
Should it be inserted, if so, how?


Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the
entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New ->
String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm
the dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has
other commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy
"Reset" which will restore the initial / default value or blank for
non-built-in preferences.


'Too bad the 'Bloze version(s) don't work like that. ;)



A) It (they) does (do).
B) Why do we care?


A) NO, they dont't!
B) I care! Like now - I'm on a site and stuck with Portable Thunderbird. 
I'd like FireFox to use it!!


Fred

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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Fred A. Miller]

Jeffery Fernandez wrote:

On Sunday 31 December 2006 10:35, Randall R Schulz wrote:


On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:


...

- the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok.
But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
Should it be inserted, if so, how?


Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the
entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New ->
String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm the
dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has other
commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy "Reset" which
will restore the initial / default value or blank for non-built-in
preferences.



Fred, you got this working ? I can't get firefox to open the kmail composer :(

I have restarted firefox and still the same


'Let you know later..working on site and using Portable Thunderbird.

Fred

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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 30 December 2006 17:39, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> >>...
> >>
> >>- the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks
> >> ok. But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
> >>Should it be inserted, if so, how?
> >
> > Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the
> > entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New ->
> > String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm
> > the dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has
> > other commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy
> > "Reset" which will restore the initial / default value or blank for
> > non-built-in preferences.
>
> 'Too bad the 'Bloze version(s) don't work like that. ;)

A) It (they) does (do).
B) Why do we care?


> Fred


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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Jeffery Fernandez]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 10:35, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > - the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok.
> > But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
> > Should it be inserted, if so, how?
>
> Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the
> entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New ->
> String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm the
> dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has other
> commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy "Reset" which
> will restore the initial / default value or blank for non-built-in
> preferences.

Fred, you got this working ? I can't get firefox to open the kmail composer :(

I have restarted firefox and still the same
>
> > ...
> > Verner Kjærsgaard
>
> Randall Schulz

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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Fred A. Miller]

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:


...

- the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok.
But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
Should it be inserted, if so, how?



Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the 
entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New -> 
String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm the 
dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has other 
commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy "Reset" which 
will restore the initial / default value or blank for non-built-in 
preferences.


'Too bad the 'Bloze version(s) don't work like that. ;)

Fred

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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Randall R Schulz]

On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:46, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> ...
>
> - the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok.
> But the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
> Should it be inserted, if so, how?

Right-click anywhere in the preference list and select one of the 
entries under the sub-menu "New". In this case, you'd use New -> 
String. Then give the entry the name and value you want, confirm the 
dialog and you're done. You'll notice the context menu has other 
commands such as "Copy Name", "Copy Value" and the handy "Reset" which 
will restore the initial / default value or blank for non-built-in 
preferences.


> ...
> Verner Kjærsgaard


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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Lørdag 30 december 2006 21:31 skrev Sunny:
> On 12/30/06, Fred A. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm sure this has been "covered," but I can't find it. In openSUSE 10.2
> > and FireFox, how does one have FF send a link in email via KMail? I've
> > spent all the time, and more, I had to try and find the "hook" to do
> > this.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Fred
>
> about:config
>
> look fo these keys:
> network.protocol-handler.external.mailto =  true
> mozex.command.mailer = kmail -s %s -c %c --body %b %a
>
> Cheers
>
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>
> Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just
> a pile of scrap.

Hi list,

- the line with "network.protocol-handler..." is there and looks ok. But 
the "mozex.command..." line is nowhere to be found?
Should it be inserted, if so, how?

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Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.

[Sunny]

On 12/30/06, Fred A. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm sure this has been "covered," but I can't find it. In openSUSE 10.2
and FireFox, how does one have FF send a link in email via KMail? I've
spent all the time, and more, I had to try and find the "hook" to do this.

Thanks!

Fred



about:config

look fo these keys:
network.protocol-handler.external.mailto =  true
mozex.command.mailer = kmail -s %s -c %c --body %b %a

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Re: [opensuse] Mail/Calendar (and Palm) tools

[Martin Mielke]

Hello again,

the same way you can run GNOME applications on KDE, you should be able to 
flawlessly execute KDE apps on GNOME, provided you have all the required 
libraries needed by Kontact (or any other KDE tool).


HTH,
Martin

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Hi there!

even whan I'm not a PDA user myself, I've seen Kontact to have Mail, Calendar 
and some PDA-sync tools around you might want to try... (I use Kmail, mostly).
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That's a possibility, I suppose. Can I use it under Gnome?



Cheers,

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Sandy Drobic]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:10 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote:



The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
fixed now.

Usual advice is to use "relay" as transport for outgoing mail, so that
incoming smtp connections do not use up all allowed smtp connections or vice
versa.


You mean relaying to another server? I suppose it is something else, I 
don't quite see it.


No, in master.cf there are two transports you can use: smtp and relay. 
Default is smtp, relay is simply a copy of smtp.


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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

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The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:10 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote:


> > The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
> > delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
> > fixed now.
> 
> Usual advice is to use "relay" as transport for outgoing mail, so that
> incoming smtp connections do not use up all allowed smtp connections or vice
> versa.

You mean relaying to another server? I suppose it is something else, I 
don't quite see it.

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Sandy Drobic]

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hi,

On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 14:25:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:


Fixed now. Happy? :)

Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)

7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and have
it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am about
to poll my ISP for new mail).
It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).


The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
fixed now.


Usual advice is to use "relay" as transport for outgoing mail, so that 
incoming smtp connections do not use up all allowed smtp connections or 
vice versa.


Sandy
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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Henne Vogelsang]

Hi,

On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 14:25:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
> 
> > > > Fixed now. Happy? :)
> > > 
> > > Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)
> > 
> > 7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and 
> > have
> > it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am 
> > about
> > to poll my ISP for new mail).
> 
> It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
> minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
> steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
> just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
> stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).

The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
fixed now.

Henne 

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

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The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

> > > Fixed now. Happy? :)
> > 
> > Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)
> 
> 7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and have
> it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am about
> to poll my ISP for new mail).

It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Monday 2006-11-13 at 22:41 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:


On Monday, November 13, 2006 at 21:38:45, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Monday 2006-11-13 at 09:36 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:


yep... I also notice the same delays...
Some! Now it is reaching an hour and three quarters. I have notified the 
admin two or three times, but no comments so far :-(

Fixed now. Happy? :)


Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)


7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message 
and have it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it 
just as I am about to poll my ISP for new mail).


Cheers.


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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

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The Monday 2006-11-13 at 17:01 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

> > Fixed now. Happy? :)
> >
> We're always happy to see you, Henne -- don't worry about Carlos too
> much, it's just a slow day everywhere :-)

I had bombarded him for some hours O:-)

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2006-11-13 15:41, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2006 at 21:38:45, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>   
>> The Monday 2006-11-13 at 09:36 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> yep... I also notice the same delays...
>>>   
>> Some! Now it is reaching an hour and three quarters. I have notified the 
>> admin two or three times, but no comments so far :-(
>> 
>
> Fixed now. Happy? :)
>
> Henne 
>
>   
We're always happy to see you, Henne -- don't worry about Carlos too
much, it's just a slow day everywhere :-)

I'm just glad I'm not seeing anymore of those dumb "bounce" messages
from isotruck.com (don't know if you did that, or if Ma Bell did it, but
I sure don't care either :-) )

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Monday 2006-11-13 at 22:41 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

> On Monday, November 13, 2006 at 21:38:45, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > The Monday 2006-11-13 at 09:36 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
> > 
> > > yep... I also notice the same delays...
> > 
> > Some! Now it is reaching an hour and three quarters. I have notified the 
> > admin two or three times, but no comments so far :-(
> 
> Fixed now. Happy? :)

Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Henne Vogelsang]

Hi,

On Monday, November 13, 2006 at 21:38:45, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Monday 2006-11-13 at 09:36 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
> 
> > yep... I also notice the same delays...
> 
> Some! Now it is reaching an hour and three quarters. I have notified the 
> admin two or three times, but no comments so far :-(

Fixed now. Happy? :)

Henne 

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Monday 2006-11-13 at 09:36 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:

> yep... I also notice the same delays...

Some! Now it is reaching an hour and three quarters. I have notified the 
admin two or three times, but no comments so far :-(

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   Carlos E. R.

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Henne Vogelsang]

Hi,

On Monday, November 13, 2006 at 17:06:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> And it is not my ISP, I observe the same at gmail, and on two lists at 
> least.

I know. I was away today. Back now working on it :)

Henne

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

[Martin Mielke]

Hello,

yep... I also notice the same delays...

First I thought was "the new mailing-list manager is not performing so 
well..."... but because I'm busy with the live-cd/usb thinggy I didn't pay much 
attention... in fact, delays are there.

Thanks Carlos for pointing it out


Cheers,
Martin


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Subject: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

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Hi,

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It passes through Relay1.suse.de at 16:05:15 +0100, but it reaches the 
outside world at 16:54:31 +0100. It started this morning with seven 
minutes delay and is increasing.

And it is not my ISP, I observe the same at gmail, and on two lists at 
least.



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   Carlos Robinson
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