Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 command line
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 02:01, James Tremblay wrote: > would someone help me figure out why > yast2 add-on cd:/// does not work? > the command returns "there is no interface for that module available" > > man yast2 says that yast2 add-on longhelp should give me more info, but it > starts the gui "add-on" module looking for /longhelp media It looks like this module doesn't have command line interface - you may enter a bug into bugzilla.novell.com to ask for one... Jiri -- Jiri Suchomel SUSE LINUX, s.r.o.e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarská 1060/12tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Praha 9, Czech Republichttp://www.suse.cz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Command disclosure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 2007-05-29 a las 19:38 -0500, Donn Washburn escribió: > > > Each medium contains checksum in the ISO9660 application area. The > > > checksum is added by "tagmedia" (see checkmedia package). > > > > Only for "SUSE installation media", AFAIK. > > > > Neither tagmedia nor checkmedia have man or info pages. > You seem to be correct! Not even the update sights have either program. > Furthermore a "Search" in Yast2 or the INET found nothing of value on tagmedia > or checkmedia. Idid find a makeSuSE-DVD tar - Will see. They come in checkmedia-2.1-35 in opensuse 10.2 - -- Saludos Carlos E.R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGXVR7tTMYHG2NR9URAtyiAJ4ujfiLms1HrEOM2Z2wKByl7YxkdQCglwf4 AM4BZ7qZ+ZIOhkfXYsxJZr0= =pg4z -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we support better Virtualization in openSUSE ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-05-20 at 03:40 +0100, Sid Boyce wrote: > I also thought that VMWare had gone opensource, I tested a number of their 6.0 > Workstation Betas, now I find the 6.0 release is for purchase only, so I'll > leave that for the Corporates with deep pockets. The server version is free, at least free as beer, not fully sure about the rest (I think it is a mixture). I installed version 1.0.3-44356 this weekend. I'm not sure about the differences with the workstation version; I'm told it is slower. Then there is the "player" version, too. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGXVaGtTMYHG2NR9URAjKcAJkBn5XxdJoQZjEhETDCIeorPes8YACdF2Mq KB86Lj905r8csDbZFWDhl0g= =wk+U -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SLP daemon
On Mon 28 May 2007 06:08:38 NZST +1200, Michael Schroeder wrote: > tcpdump -x -s 1024 -v -i eth0 port 427 Thanks Michael. I can't get it to go. As a sidenote, slptool findsrvtypes gives useful output, but putting one of those lines at the end of slptool findsrvs never gives me anything. I've tried 2 different networks now. Can someone confirm cat /etc/slp.reg.d/suse.reg service install.suse:ftp://$HOSTNAME/suse10.2/,en,65535 description SUSE 10.2 box i386 + AMD64 is correct? That's what http://en.opensuse.org/Network_Installation_Source#Announcing_the_Installation_Source_via_SLP says (though I edited that page at some stage). Am I the only one with this problem now? I'd like to use it for several SUSE versions incl the testing ones. If someone has a working config I'd appreciate an offlist copy. Here's another openSUSE 10.2 SLP server (slpserver), while booting a 10.2 CD1 (installclient) on the same 8-port hub/switch. Only change on the client is that SLP is selected as source. The service ftp://$HOSTNAME/suse10.2/ is functional. iptables disabled. SLP server left on multicast config (as per yast default). Edited for legibility: # tcpdump -X -s 1024 -v -i eth0 port 427 tcpdump: listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 1024 bytes 19:02:03.429927 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 8, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP (17), length: 77) slpserver.1086 > 239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, length 49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .,...9s+ 1.en service:director y-agent.. 19:02:18.438381 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 8, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP (17), length: 77) slpserver.1069 > 239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, length 49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .-...9s) 1.en service:director y-agent.. 19:02:40.840857 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 1, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP (17), length: 161) installclient.32768 > 239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, length 133 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:...l ..en service:install. suse..default.P( &(|(!(machine=*) )(machine=i686)) (|(!(release=*)) (release=2.6.18. 2-34-default))). . 19:02:41.341983 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 1, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP (17), length: 161) installclient.32768 > 239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, length 133 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:...l ..en service:install. suse..default.P( &(|(!(machine=*) )(machine=i686)) (|(!(release=*)) (release=2.6.18. 2-34-default))). . 19:02:41.841984 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 1, id 0, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP (17), length: 161) installclient.32768 > 239.255.255.253.svrloc: UDP, length 133 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:...l ..en service:install. suse..default.P( &(|(!(machine=*) )(machine=i686)) (|(!(release=*)) (release=2.6.18. 2-34-default))). . Unless there's traffic on a port other than 427, the server isn't responding. Any hints on why appreciated. Thanks, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] hylafax + ddclient
Package hylafax is missing from 10.3a4. Is this permanent? It's a required package for all those unfortunate enough not to have ISDN in their country. Ok so dialup Internet is on the way out, but faxing is still quite common. I'm afraid sendfax is not a viable alternative as it doesn't support fax class 1/1.0 devices. In my experience it's impossible to find a fax modem which supports class 2/2.0. Package ddclient is missing too, but no-one can have used it much as a service on 10.2 as the service script is non-functional because ddclient as-is doesn't work with startproc/checkproc. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=279077 Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
Adding /sbin/ to user's $PATH doesn't lower your security. (because you're still bound by Linux-user security privileges) But it will make our systems easier to use. So I vote for making it the default. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] pmwiki
Hello, I use now for some days a very good wiki, namely PmWiki (http://www.pmwiki.org) AFAIK it's not on openSUSE and it's a shame, it should be. It's GPL, use no database (flat file only), so it's probably more fitted for small sites, but it's also extremely configurable and can be very cute (here my LUG web site http://www.culte.org/pmwiki/?n=Site.StyleOptions?action=set&setcolor=CULTe) can we include it? I know it's very easy to install from scratch, but... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we support better Virtualization in openSUSE ?
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-05-20 at 03:40 +0100, Sid Boyce wrote: I also thought that VMWare had gone opensource, I tested a number of their 6.0 Workstation Betas, now I find the 6.0 release is for purchase only, so I'll leave that for the Corporates with deep pockets. The server version is free, at least free as beer, not fully sure about the rest (I think it is a mixture). I installed version 1.0.3-44356 this weekend. I'm not sure about the differences with the workstation version; I'm told it is slower. Then there is the "player" version, too. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Thanks, I knew I had seen something. Just that I thought it was all of VMWare. I had been testing the Betas and when the final version came, shock horror, it costs. I'll download server. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we support better Virtualization in openSUSE ?
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 20:45, Ladislav Slezak wrote: > Keith Goggin wrote: > [...] > I created testvm.qcow (20GB) OK but then couldn't execute the next step.. > > > # qemu -sda /home/kg/Desktop/openSUSE-10.3Alpha4-DVD-x86_64.iso -boot d > > > > qemu: invalid option -- '-sda' > > > > Note both my HDD and DVD-ROM (Burner) are SATA II devices. > > > > Does qemu support SATA for both HDD and CDROM? > > No, qemu emulates only IDE (see "man qemu" for list of emulated devices), > you have to use -hda option here... Silly me I asked the wrong question again. I should have asked could qemu access my SATA hadrware. :-) Thanks anyway and the list may be interested to know I now have a litter of Puppies (5 x puppy-2.16) on my desktop and still have 116MB of free physical memory. ASUS M2A-VM, openSUSE10.3A4, 2GB DDR RAM, Sata2 HDD & Sata2 Burner. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] pmwiki
It's GPL, use no database (flat file only), so it's probably more fitted for small sites, but it's also extremely configurable and can be very cute (here my LUG web site http://www.culte.org/pmwiki/?n=Site.StyleOptions?action=set&setcolor=CULTe) can we include it? I know it's very easy to install from scratch, but... There is a tendency of not packaging php applications in rpm format... Most php apps all you need to is unpack in http docroot and run some sort of setup.php taht sets permissions and connections to a database, when there is one. This way, I dont believe it should be included, as it falls in this category of things, it doesnt even have a db... And then there are so many wiki softwares... Many developers and users would prefer to isntall from a tarball... Despite all this, there are packages for mediawiki iirc, wihch I find strange... Marcio --- druid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SLP daemon
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:28:10PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> On Mon 28 May 2007 06:08:38 NZST +1200, Michael Schroeder wrote:
>
> > tcpdump -x -s 1024 -v -i eth0 port 427
>
> Thanks Michael. I can't get it to go.
>
> As a sidenote, slptool findsrvtypes gives useful output, but putting one of
> those lines at the end of slptool findsrvs never gives me anything. I've
> tried 2 different networks now. Can someone confirm
>
> cat /etc/slp.reg.d/suse.reg
> service install.suse:ftp://$HOSTNAME/suse10.2/,en,65535
> description SUSE 10.2 box i386 + AMD64
>
> is correct?
Seems wrong to me. It's gotta be:
service:install.suse:ftp://$HOSTNAME/suse10.2/,en,65535
description=SUSE 10.2 box i386 + AMD64
Cheers,
Michael.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.3a4 software management :(
* Volker Kuhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-27 15:10]: > > (During installation:) The yast boot loader module is still buggy. For > root = /dev/md2 it suggests to put the boot loader on the root partition > - I doubt that works. WHen I tick MBR, both MBR and "root partition" are > ticked, so I think why not and finish out of that module. Being a > suspicious burnt child by now, I enter back in - only "root partition" > is ticked. I tick MBR, and untick "root partition". This times yast gets > the message. Why don't you open a bug report? This is not a mailing list to report bugs but to *disucss* something. Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Adding /sbin/ to user's $PATH doesn't lower your security. (because > you're still bound by Linux-user security privileges) > > But it will make our systems easier to use. So I vote for making it the > default. And it breaks 30 years of conventions on Unix systems and would be the only Linux distribution doing that by default. So that's definitely a no. Do it on your box if you like to or even add a switch in YaST2 to enable it, but don't make it the default setting. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXeGQr3NMWliFcXcRAp4CAKCRvl/EBb2tE6Gl8xC5HANjD8FddwCgkj+t BF2clPTl9hRK2c+j+2uplBk= =Rfew -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
Qua, 2007-05-30 às 22:41 +0200, Pascal Bleser escreveu: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Alexey Eremenko wrote: > > Adding /sbin/ to user's $PATH doesn't lower your security. (because > > you're still bound by Linux-user security privileges) > > > > But it will make our systems easier to use. So I vote for making it the > > default. > > And it breaks 30 years of conventions on Unix systems and would be the > only Linux distribution doing that by default. > It should be said that there was never much formal designs on the Unix file hierarchy as you imply. Freaking /home was former /usr, later splitted. I don't remember this stuff exactly, just some mention in college and some interneting, not much digging into it, but it seems /sbin comes from /etc, where among others some init scripts were put, and as the rest of the tree it evolved as needed. There is no shame in rethinking Suse's file hierarchy, but this isn't even the case. Is there any convention at all with regard to user's PATH? Personally, I think this only makes sense if we go through the sudo route, like Ubuntu. Otherwise, just symlink from /bin. Cheers, Ricardo > So that's definitely a no. > > Do it on your box if you like to or even add a switch in YaST2 to enable > it, but don't make it the default setting. > > cheers > - -- > -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ > /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGXeGQr3NMWliFcXcRAp4CAKCRvl/EBb2tE6Gl8xC5HANjD8FddwCgkj+t > BF2clPTl9hRK2c+j+2uplBk= > =Rfew > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
On 5/31/07, Ricardo Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, I think this only makes sense if we go through the sudo route, like Ubuntu. Otherwise, just symlink from /bin. Ohh yes, symlinking from /sbin to /bin can also solve those problems, of inaccessible utilities. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 13:41, Pascal Bleser wrote: > Alexey Eremenko wrote: > > Adding /sbin/ to user's $PATH doesn't lower your security. (because > > you're still bound by Linux-user security privileges) > > > > But it will make our systems easier to use. So I vote for making it > > the default. > > And it breaks 30 years of conventions on Unix systems and would be > the only Linux distribution doing that by default. I don't know about you, but I was using Unix (the only and only Unix) 30 years ago, and this issue simply did not exist. There was /bin and /usr/bin and everybody had both in their path, of course. So it's a little disingenuous to make this claim. Furthermore, we should not let history or tradition stand in the way of improvement. If not having administrative directories in the default path is an impediment for users, then they should be added. I'm agnostic on the actual topic, though, since I never run with a stock PATH or pretty much stock anything... > So that's definitely a no. > > Do it on your box if you like to or even add a switch in YaST2 to > enable it, but don't make it the default setting. I really fail to see a down-side, with the possible exception of the fact that there are sometimes multiple commands with the same name. Whois springs to mind. I'm not sure what the one in /sbin does, but it doesn't appear to be at all the same thing that the one in /usr/bin/ does (which is to look up whois directory information). > cheers Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 15:00, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > On 5/31/07, Ricardo Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Personally, I think this only makes sense if we go through the > > sudo route, like Ubuntu. > >Otherwise, just symlink from /bin. > > Ohh yes, symlinking from /sbin to /bin can also solve those problems, > of inaccessible utilities. You must do this with care. As I mentioned in my earlier post on this matter, there is a "whois" command in both /usr/bin /and /usr/sbin and they're not the same command. Randall schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
You must do this with care. My question is why. You could do this with care, and waste man-hours doing a silly thing that will result in no benefit, or we could go work in other stuff, right? Make things easier? The people who should be messing with that in a root shell should know what they should run. How they know the should run ifconfig? Because they LEARNED that. Thats the same reason that they should LEARN that some commands are available only to root. Same they learn there's a linux way of doing things. People think "permission denied" and "command not found" are apocalyptic errors. They dont see that as an informative message. Which will happen if this insane thing goes on. But thats not even the point. Why adding so many entropy in something that has so little (zero) result. It wont any gain in the results. It will make us drift from the FHS, confuse users, confuse developers, confuse people learning linux on suse, confuse people learning linux in another distro and wanting to use suse. Why? This will produce only entropy and confusion. I need to remind the beginning of this discussion, which was because two people though it was too complicated to run "ip a", which is the way to do the damn task of checking interface infos. So instead of doing the right thing, you people want to invert the rotation of earth because you cant type "ip a". Why? We do things this way its been a long time, and why only now we in this topic are the first human beings in the surface of earth that though of that? So the other people, including the ones who did FHS are a bunch of stupid clowns? Marcio --- druid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we support better Virtualization in openSUSE ?
Keith Goggin wrote: On Tuesday 29 May 2007 20:45, Ladislav Slezak wrote: Keith Goggin wrote: [...] I created testvm.qcow (20GB) OK but then couldn't execute the next step.. # qemu -sda /home/kg/Desktop/openSUSE-10.3Alpha4-DVD-x86_64.iso -boot d qemu: invalid option -- '-sda' Note both my HDD and DVD-ROM (Burner) are SATA II devices. Does qemu support SATA for both HDD and CDROM? No, qemu emulates only IDE (see "man qemu" for list of emulated devices), you have to use -hda option here... Silly me I asked the wrong question again. I should have asked could qemu access my SATA hadrware. :-) As drives are emulated, you could try e.g "-cdrom /dev/sdc" to see if it it will use it as an emulated cdrom and on a mounted filesystem "qemu-img create -f /testvm. G", testvm. file being the emulated hda. "man qemu" DESCRIPTION The QEMU PC System emulator simulates the following peripherals: - i440FX host PCI bridge and PIIX3 PCI to ISA bridge - Cirrus CLGD 5446 PCI VGA card or dummy VGA card with Bochs VESA extensions (hardware level, including all non standard modes). - PS/2 mouse and keyboard - 2 PCI IDE interfaces with hard disk and CD-ROM support - Floppy disk - NE2000 PCI network adapters - Serial ports - Creative SoundBlaster 16 sound card - ENSONIQ AudioPCI ES1370 sound card - Adlib(OPL2) - Yamaha YM3812 compatible chip - PCI UHCI USB controller and a virtual USB hub. SMP is supported with up to 255 CPUs. Note that adlib is only available when QEMU was configured with -enable-adlib QEMU uses the PC BIOS from the Bochs project and the Plex86/Bochs LGPL VGA BIOS. Thanks anyway and the list may be interested to know I now have a litter of Puppies (5 x puppy-2.16) on my desktop and still have 116MB of free physical memory. ASUS M2A-VM, openSUSE10.3A4, 2GB DDR RAM, Sata2 HDD & Sata2 Burner. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-05-30 at 15:09 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: > I really fail to see a down-side, with the possible exception of the > fact that there are sometimes multiple commands with the same name. > Whois springs to mind. I'm not sure what the one in /sbin does, but it > doesn't appear to be at all the same thing that the one in /usr/bin/ > does (which is to look up whois directory information). I only have "/usr/bin/whois". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGXhxetTMYHG2NR9URArHUAJoDUqqUf++6CLlcan70+rOif8XkVgCcDpiR O95ZbClqZa3fwfSVMe/SR9A= =avjh -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 17:52, Carlos E. R. wrote: > The Wednesday 2007-05-30 at 15:09 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > I really fail to see a down-side, with the possible exception of > > the fact that there are sometimes multiple commands with the same > > name. Whois springs to mind. I'm not sure what the one in /sbin > > does, but it doesn't appear to be at all the same thing that the > > one in /usr/bin/ does (which is to look up whois directory > > information). > > I only have "/usr/bin/whois". Ooh. This is good. I don't know why I didn't try this earlier: % rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/sbin/whois sax2-tools-2.7-27 Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
* Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-30-07 21:02]: > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 17:52, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > The Wednesday 2007-05-30 at 15:09 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > > I really fail to see a down-side, with the possible exception of > > > the fact that there are sometimes multiple commands with the same > > > name. Whois springs to mind. I'm not sure what the one in /sbin > > > does, but it doesn't appear to be at all the same thing that the > > > one in /usr/bin/ does (which is to look up whois directory > > > information). > > > > I only have "/usr/bin/whois". me 2 > Ooh. This is good. I don't know why I didn't try this earlier: > > % rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/sbin/whois > sax2-tools-2.7-27 21:26 wahoo:~ > rpm -q sax2-tools sax2-tools-8.1-218.1 21:26 wahoo:~ > rpm -ql sax2-tools /usr/sbin/corner /usr/sbin/dots /usr/sbin/isax /usr/sbin/testX /usr/sbin/vncp /usr/sbin/whereiam /usr/sbin/wmstart /usr/sbin/xidle /usr/sbin/ximage /usr/sbin/xkbctrl /usr/sbin/xlook /usr/sbin/xmode /usr/sbin/xquery /usr/sbin/xw /usr/share/man/man1/sax2.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xkbctrl.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xmode.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xquery.1.gz -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 18:27, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-30-07 21:02]: > > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 17:52, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > > The Wednesday 2007-05-30 at 15:09 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > > > I really fail to see a down-side, with the possible exception > > > > of the fact that there are sometimes multiple commands with the > > > > same name. Whois springs to mind. I'm not sure what the one in > > > > /sbin does, but it doesn't appear to be at all the same thing > > > > that the one in /usr/bin/ does (which is to look up whois > > > > directory information). > > > > > > I only have "/usr/bin/whois". > > me 2 > > > Ooh. This is good. I don't know why I didn't try this earlier: > > > > % rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/sbin/whois > > sax2-tools-2.7-27 % rpm -q sax2-tools sax2-tools-2.7-27 % rpm -ql sax2-tools /usr/sbin/catch /usr/sbin/corner /usr/sbin/demo /usr/sbin/demo.sh /usr/sbin/dots /usr/sbin/fake /usr/sbin/hwupdate /usr/sbin/isax /usr/sbin/screen /usr/sbin/testX /usr/sbin/whois /usr/sbin/wmstart /usr/sbin/wrap /usr/sbin/xbounce /usr/sbin/xbound /usr/sbin/xidle /usr/sbin/ximage /usr/sbin/xkbctrl /usr/sbin/xkbset /usr/sbin/xlook /usr/sbin/xmirror /usr/sbin/xmode /usr/sbin/xmset /usr/sbin/xquery /usr/sbin/xupdate /usr/sbin/xw /usr/share/man/man1/sax2.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xkbctrl.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xkbset.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xmode.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xmset.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/xquery.1.gz It looks like Sax2 has gone on some kind of a weight-loss program between versions 2.7 and 8.1. Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Wednesday 30 May 2007 13:41, Pascal Bleser wrote: >> Alexey Eremenko wrote: >>> Adding /sbin/ to user's $PATH doesn't lower your security. (because >>> you're still bound by Linux-user security privileges) >>> >>> But it will make our systems easier to use. So I vote for making it >>> the default. >> And it breaks 30 years of conventions on Unix systems and would be >> the only Linux distribution doing that by default. > > I don't know about you, but I was using Unix (the only and only Unix) 30 > years ago, and this issue simply did not exist. There was /bin > and /usr/bin and everybody had both in their path, of course. > > So it's a little disingenuous to make this claim. OK, you want to be pedantic, then replace "30 years of Unix" with "10 years of Linux". > Furthermore, we should not let history or tradition stand in the way of > improvement. If not having administrative directories in the default > path is an impediment for users, then they should be added. Users too stupid to prepend /sbin or add /sbin:/usr/sbin at the end of PATH shouldn't even touch the binaries located there in my opinion. > I'm agnostic on the actual topic, though, since I never run with a stock > PATH or pretty much stock anything... > >> So that's definitely a no. >> >> Do it on your box if you like to or even add a switch in YaST2 to >> enable it, but don't make it the default setting. > > I really fail to see a down-side, with the possible exception of the > fact that there are sometimes multiple commands with the same name. > Whois springs to mind. I'm not sure what the one in /sbin does, but it > doesn't appear to be at all the same thing that the one in /usr/bin/ > does (which is to look up whois directory information). /usr/sbin:/sbin has to be added at the end of PATH Anyhow, being the only Linux distribution that would do it is a sufficient reason _not_ to do it. I find it surprising people fail to see that. If it's too difficult to do echo 'PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin' >> /etc/profile.local then let's ask for adding a setting in YaST2 to do it (through /etc/sysconfig/suseconfig which already has settings for having . in root's PATH and such) but not a default option IMO. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXlmPr3NMWliFcXcRAg0UAJ0b8U+8W3XJVmn7c0bzRUJii+D/hgCdEGs6 +jGLqEyNMbJXK56bCwRdHtM= =/0LE -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
