Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
Am Friday 20 July 2007 schrieb Darryl Gregorash: > On 07/20/2007 08:20 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, you either misunderstood or didn't read: _the_ CD is the > > installation medium - the vast majority of software is provided either by > > a DVD or ftp. > > Yeah, I did read: you are saying I will need to use more than one disc > to install a basic system, with just OSS software on it -- unless, of > course, the DVD will be bootable, in which case the CD is superfluous. Yes, this is what I'm saying. And no, the DVD would not contain the CD in my scenario. Greetings, Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 14:05 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > On 07/20/2007 08:20 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, you either misunderstood or didn't read: _the_ CD is the installation > > medium - the vast majority of software is provided either by a DVD or ftp. > Yeah, I did read: you are saying I will need to use more than one disc > to install a basic system, with just OSS software on it -- unless, of > course, the DVD will be bootable, in which case the CD is superfluous. > The DVD is bootable. Cheers, Magnus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
On 07/20/2007 08:20 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote: > > > Yeah, you either misunderstood or didn't read: _the_ CD is the installation > medium - the vast majority of software is provided either by a DVD or ftp. Yeah, I did read: you are saying I will need to use more than one disc to install a basic system, with just OSS software on it -- unless, of course, the DVD will be bootable, in which case the CD is superfluous. -- Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. -- François de La Rochefoucauld - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
Am Freitag 20 Juli 2007 schrieb Darryl Gregorash: > On 07/20/2007 02:58 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote: > > Am Donnerstag 19 Juli 2007 schrieb David Bolt: > >> [1] It's still going to be useful to add extra packages/patterns and > >> remove unwanted (non-OSS?) packages/patterns, as well as adding extra, > >> third party, repositories. > > > > Actually this is very likely to be the goal of further releases: make the > > CD the installation medium of first choice and provide the DVD as > > collection of repositories and extra patterns. > > IMO this will be a big mistake. Installation should be, must be, made a > simple as possible, and that implies the user should be presented with > as few physical media as possible. If I buy the commercial box, the > complete distribution should be included in it -- OSS packages, non-OSS > packages, as well as all the sources -- all of it on, as I said, as few > physical media as possible. If I download the images instead, I should > be able to end up with the same set of 3 DVDs, and should not have to > burn a bunch of (soon to be obsolete?) CDs that contain a minuscule > fraction of the total distribution. If that is what I wanted, I would > fetch just a single, much smaller, image, and do an ftp installation. Yeah, you either misunderstood or didn't read: _the_ CD is the installation medium - the vast majority of software is provided either by a DVD or ftp. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
On 07/20/2007 02:58 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote: > Am Donnerstag 19 Juli 2007 schrieb David Bolt: > >> [1] It's still going to be useful to add extra packages/patterns and >> remove unwanted (non-OSS?) packages/patterns, as well as adding extra, >> third party, repositories. >> > Actually this is very likely to be the goal of further releases: make the CD > the installation medium of first choice and provide the DVD as collection of > repositories and extra patterns. IMO this will be a big mistake. Installation should be, must be, made a simple as possible, and that implies the user should be presented with as few physical media as possible. If I buy the commercial box, the complete distribution should be included in it -- OSS packages, non-OSS packages, as well as all the sources -- all of it on, as I said, as few physical media as possible. If I download the images instead, I should be able to end up with the same set of 3 DVDs, and should not have to burn a bunch of (soon to be obsolete?) CDs that contain a minuscule fraction of the total distribution. If that is what I wanted, I would fetch just a single, much smaller, image, and do an ftp installation. -- Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. -- François de La Rochefoucauld - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Stephan Kulow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-20 10:58]: >> Am Donnerstag 19 Juli 2007 schrieb David Bolt: >> > >> > [1] It's still going to be useful to add extra packages/patterns and >> > remove unwanted (non-OSS?) packages/patterns, as well as adding extra, >> > third party, repositories. >> Actually this is very likely to be the goal of further releases: make the CD >> the installation medium of first choice and provide the DVD as collection of >> repositories and extra patterns. > > So you have to download and burn *two* media every time you want a > real system which has more than a few KDE OR GNOME applications? No - it's just an option. The ftp repository is always available... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpJprFOAUdhq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
* Stephan Kulow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-20 10:58]: > Am Donnerstag 19 Juli 2007 schrieb David Bolt: > > > > [1] It's still going to be useful to add extra packages/patterns and > > remove unwanted (non-OSS?) packages/patterns, as well as adding extra, > > third party, repositories. > Actually this is very likely to be the goal of further releases: make the CD > the installation medium of first choice and provide the DVD as collection of > repositories and extra patterns. So you have to download and burn *two* media every time you want a real system which has more than a few KDE OR GNOME applications? Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
Am Donnerstag 19 Juli 2007 schrieb David Bolt: > > [1] It's still going to be useful to add extra packages/patterns and > remove unwanted (non-OSS?) packages/patterns, as well as adding extra, > third party, repositories. Actually this is very likely to be the goal of further releases: make the CD the installation medium of first choice and provide the DVD as collection of repositories and extra patterns. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Stephan Binner wrote:- >On Thursday 19 July 2007 20:50:48 David Bolt wrote: > >> There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that >> in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading > >The reminder was a bit earlier posted than usual, already on Monday. :-) I've found it. For some reason it ended up threaded with a much earlier meeting announcement so I didn't realise it was for yesterdays meeting :( >> I do have a feeling that there are going to be quite a few people that >> weren't there to say they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially > >Be sure feedback received elsewhere like on this list will be also observed. Well, as a little feedback, I will miss them, since they allowed me to have a completely OSS system without having to go through and de-select non-OSS packages. A good point about not having them is that now there is no need to try and figure out which package goes on which disc, and it sort-of fixed bug #284979 :) Regards, David Bolt -- Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 100 Mnodes/s: www.distributed.net RISC OS 3.11 | SUSE 10.0 32bit | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit RISC OS 3.6 | SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit TOS 4.02 | SUSE 9.3 32bit | | openSUSE 10.3a5 32bit - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
On Thursday 19 July 2007 20:50:48 David Bolt wrote: > There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that > in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading The reminder was a bit earlier posted than usual, already on Monday. :-) > I do have a feeling that there are going to be quite a few people that > weren't there to say they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially Be sure feedback received elsewhere like on this list will be also observed. Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:- >I'm sure there are people having used them. But we feel that one CD installs >are more useful to more people. I guess having to throw away the CDs and not >having deltas available is a big hit, but you seem to have no bandwidth >problems :) For uploads, I have no known limit, apart from the maximum outbound bandwidth, and I'd have probably seeded more if I hadn't restricted it to 10KB/s. However, in common with almost all UK ISPs, my downloads are "capped"[0]. My ISP is actually pretty generous and allow a download of 60GB per rolling 30 day period before they restricted the download rate to little more than dial-up speeds. Other UK users aren't going to be quite so lucky. The only change this will make for me is to remove the need for further development of makeSUSEdvd, since there's almost no need for it any more[1]. [0] They don't call it a cap, preferring to hide it under "fair usage" terms allowing them to claim they provide an unlimited service. Anyway, that's all beside the point, and totally OT, so I'll shut up about that now before I start ranting. [1] It's still going to be useful to add extra packages/patterns and remove unwanted (non-OSS?) packages/patterns, as well as adding extra, third party, repositories. Regards, David Bolt -- Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 100 Mnodes/s: www.distributed.net RISC OS 3.11 | SUSE 10.0 32bit | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit RISC OS 3.6 | SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit TOS 4.02 | SUSE 9.3 32bit | | openSUSE 10.3a5 32bit - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
Am Thursday 19 July 2007 schrieb David Bolt: > There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that > in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading > the transcript, it does explain things a bit. I do have a feeling that > there are going to be quite a few people that weren't there to say > they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially those that > downloaded the alpha5 CDs[0], and I include myself in that group. I'm sure there are people having used them. But we feel that one CD installs are more useful to more people. I guess having to throw away the CDs and not having deltas available is a big hit, but you seem to have no bandwidth problems :) Greetings, Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Martin Schlander wrote:- >Den Thursday 19 July 2007 19:46:16 skrev David Bolt: >> No mention of the normal CD ISOs, nor the alpha5_alpha6 delta ISOs, >> being released. Are there plans to create and release the normal CD >> ISOs? > >See the transscript of yesterday's status meeting: > >http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-07-18/transcript#St >atus_Distribution There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading the transcript, it does explain things a bit. I do have a feeling that there are going to be quite a few people that weren't there to say they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially those that downloaded the alpha5 CDs[0], and I include myself in that group. [0] Purely out of curiosity, I know it's difficult to check how much had been transferred via FTP or HTTP, without making a little more work for the maintainers of the mirrors, but did anyone look to see just how much they had been downloaded over bittorrent? I can see that I've seeded almost 28GB, and there are likely to be others that have seeded much more than I have. Regards, David Bolt -- Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 100 Mnodes/s: www.distributed.net RISC OS 3.11 | SUSE 10.0 32bit | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit RISC OS 3.6 | SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit TOS 4.02 | SUSE 9.3 32bit | | openSUSE 10.3a5 32bit - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
Den Thursday 19 July 2007 19:46:16 skrev David Bolt: > No mention of the normal CD ISOs, nor the alpha5_alpha6 delta ISOs, > being released. Are there plans to create and release the normal CD > ISOs? See the transscript of yesterday's status meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-07-18/transcript#Status_Distribution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
