RE: Oracle Reports!

2003-02-21 Thread Sony kristanto
Hi Sesi,

BEFORE_REPORT_TRIGGER is fired before sql statement is executed, so you
can't abort your report execution here by using that trigger.

HTH,

Sony

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 Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:19 AM
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 Subject:  Oracle Reports!
 
 Hi List,
 
  I need to abort the report execution, if the query generating report
 returns no rows. I tried to do this using the report trigger 'before
 report'. I have written code like this 
  Function BEF_REP_TRG return boolean is

 begin
 
 return (true);
 
 Exception
when no data found
   return (false);
   end;
 But ,it is displaying rep-1825 Before Report trigger returned false .
 Can we remove this???
 
 Thanks
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Re: Oracle Tech Support

2003-02-21 Thread Don Granaman
You think that's good?  Try this one...

Me
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RedHat Linux 7.2  Oracle 9.2.0.2
dbca *always* hangs at 41% - Creating and starting Oracle instance.
No background process ever gets started - no pmon, no smon, nothing.
This is regardless of kernel parameters, memory or any other such stuff.
Running a script to create an *identical* database works every time.

Support
--
Are there any error messages reported in the database alert.log file?
Please upload alert.log file for more investigation. Thanks.

Me
---
New info : There are no messages in the alert log - except for the shutdown
abort after I cancel dbca. Prior to that, there is nothing.  It is empty.

Support

Can you please upload the alert.log file? Why do you think DBCA is hanging?
Maybe it was running catalog.sql , catproc.sql and other scripts. These
might take some time. This is normal. Can you see log files are switching in
the alert.log file before you abort?

Have you connected and checked from v$session_wait to see whether sessions
are moving or not? See Note:68738.1 Hang or Spin?.

column sid format 990
column seq# format 0
column wait_time heading 'WTime' format 0
column event format a30
column p1 format 90
column p2 format 90
column p3 format 9990
select sid,event,seq#,p1,p2,p3,wait_time
from V$session_wait
/

Me
---
New info : Perhaps I need to be more explicit...
Here is the *entire* alert log immediately before canceling dbca (after it
sat there motionless for over an hour):
--- Start of alert log 
 End of alert log -
Here is the *entire* alert log after I cancelled dbca:
--- Start of alert log 
Fri Feb 14 09:54:03 2003
Shutting down instance (abort)
 End of alert log -
Kind of ironic isn't it - saying that it is aborting an instance that never
existed?
I think that dbca is hanging because it *IS* hanging - no background
processes
*EVER* get started. (No pmon, no smon, nada... nothing.)
catalog.sql was not running. catproc.sql was not running. No other scripts
were running. One has to have an instance running before one can run any
SQL.  v$session_wait is inaccessible - there are no background processes
and no instance.
It is going to be difficult to run any SQL when there are no background
processes and no instance is running.

Support
--
Sorry for misunderstanding the problem. Since dbca hangs at 41% , I guessed
that instance was started. That is strange. You said that the problem does
not occur when you manually create the database using scripts. So this
should be a problem within the DBCA Java program.

I have done some search and I found followings :

Bug:2461946
Abstract: CREATE DATABASE HUNGS UP WHEN WE SET DISK_ASYNCH_IO TRUE
O/S: 46 Intel Based Server LINUX
Status: 95,Closed, Vendor OS Problem

The problem is identified as being OS configuration.
Workaround :
echo 1048576 /proc/sys/fs/aio-max-size and reboot.
--
Note:160891.1 NETCA, DBCA, EMCA hangs and spins CPU in Oracle 9.0.1 on
RedHat Linux 7.1

Solution:
Use JRE not JDK.

Me
---
Guessed?  No pmon, no smon, nothing seems to indicate no instance.
I'm using Linux 7.2, not 7.1.  I have Oracle 9.2.0.2, not 9.0.1
/proc/sys/fs/aio-max-size is a problem as there is no fs aio in RH 7.2.
However, on our RH AS 2.1 machine, also with Oracle 9.2.0.2,
dbca hangs also - and aio-max-size is already 1M.
CPU was sleepy, not spinning (evidently in wash cycle).
J-R-E   J-D-K  ... M-O-U-S-E
Solution: Resurrect orainst /c
Please close this TAR!  I can't take any more!
Thanks for your help!

- TAR status is now SOFT CLOSED ---

-- epilog --
I realize that this was a bit sarcastic, but...

Every time I file a TAR anymore, I get this are you sure its plugged in?
sort of treatment.  I've been tempted several times to ask them:
If there is a CUSTOMER_IS_A_BOZO flag somewhere in your
database, could you please set it to FALSE - the default must be TRUE.

I finally just stopped using Metalink months ago because it is so entirely
useless and a huge waste of time. I thought this one might be easy
though.  Evidently, I was wrong.

[It couldn't really be a problem with the DBCA Java program could it?
 Nah!  Not from a company famous for its unbreakable software!
 And all their other Java-based GUI tools have always been flawless. ;-]

I filed a TAR about 5 months ago about a 9i bug - extremely
slow queries against v$datafile (select name from v$datafile). After
jumping through entirely irrelevant hoops at support's request for a month,
I just let the TAR die. Nobody was bothering to take anything I said
seriously.  I had uploaded a '10046' level 8 trace on my own initiative, ran
tkprof against the query on both 8.1.7.4 (0.01 sec) and 9.2.0.2 (6.86 sec),
uploaded both the .trc and the tkprof output for both, wrote up a
detailed description of the differences (few except for time), and still
got the idiot treatment. I said it was a bug and nobody would even
consider the possibility.

For about twelve 

Re: Ref Cursor

2003-02-21 Thread Bjørn Engsig




Did you try with a 10046 trace? Could it be an array vs. non-array fetch
thing? Which client environment are you using to fetch the rows from the
ref cursor?

There is no init.ora involved with this.

/Bjrn.

Bahar, Rivaldi (BBASSI-CHQ) wrote:

  Hi Listers,
Is there any specific parameters (init.ora, etc)  or tricks for Ref Cursor ?
Applications that using Ref Cursor running very slow
but those don't use Ref Cursor are running fast.
Tia.

-Riv-


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Snapshot Too Old Error on Export !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Jackson Dumas
Hi all

I have a problem when doing an export in one of ourt production
databases. The export fails with ORA-01555, snapshot too old error.

I have increased the number of rollback segments and their sizes on
the database. Also I have went to an extent of specifying the
parameter constent=n on my script but backups fails. The worst part is
this export runs for a long time and then fails, more than 24 hours.

The only time that this export succeed is over the weekend, because
most of the time few people are working or not at all. Now I have
tried to start it after hours but as I said it still takes long and
end up failing the next day.

Could somebody help me here, this is very critical to be running
production without proper backups .!

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FYI: Installing Oracle Apps 11i on Linux

2003-02-21 Thread Dale


Hello AllThe 
link below contains a summary of my experiences in installingOracle Apps 11i 
(11.5.7) on Linux (Redhat 8.0 and SUSE 8.1Professional).I'm posting 
it because I would really have appreciated being able to read something like 
this prior tostarting my installation 
:-)http://databee.com/apps11i_install.htmRegards- 
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ORA-02046

2003-02-21 Thread manoj . gurnani
I'm getting the following error  while trying to select from table using dblink:
ORA-02046 distributed transaction already begun 


Thanks
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RE: Installing Oracle Apps 11i on Linux

2003-02-21 Thread Hately, Mike (NESL-IT)
Dale,
 
thanks for sharing, this is going to be pretty useful in the future. I read
the warnings and had a copy of Suse 7.0 at home so I've only ever installed
it onto the recommended platform. Armed with your summary I may have a shot
at installing it on 8.1.
 
Cheers,
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Hello All

The link below contains a summary of my experiences in installing
Oracle Apps 11i (11.5.7) on Linux (Redhat 8.0 and SUSE 8.1
Professional).

I'm posting it because I would really have appreciated being able to read
something like this prior to starting my installation :-)

http://databee.com/apps11i_install.htm

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RE: Snapshot Too Old Error on Export !!!

2003-02-21 Thread John.Hallas
Jackson,
As you have discovered , the issue is that other transactions are
overwriting your read consistent view of the tables.
Options could include
1) Running the export at a quite time (sounds like you have tried that but
with only partial suucess)
2) Taking a direct export which reduces the time very considerably
(especially if you do it at weekend)
3) Take subsets of the data using either a parameter file with export with a
list of tables you are interested in and multiple exports (different
parameter files of course)
4) Using the query option of export to again take subsets of data from the
biggest tables

Using options 3+ 4 means you need to put in some sort of means of capturing
changes ( a IUD trigger to capture rowid's) but it will be very difficult to
ensure integrity.

Your last sentence is very worrying, I hope you are not using export as a
means of backing up the database because from what you have said that is
totally unreliable.
Out of the above options only 1) will give you any sort of consistent view
of the tables.

John

 
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Hi all

I have a problem when doing an export in one of ourt production
databases. The export fails with ORA-01555, snapshot too old error.

I have increased the number of rollback segments and their sizes on
the database. Also I have went to an extent of specifying the
parameter constent=n on my script but backups fails. The worst part is
this export runs for a long time and then fails, more than 24 hours.

The only time that this export succeed is over the weekend, because
most of the time few people are working or not at all. Now I have
tried to start it after hours but as I said it still takes long and
end up failing the next day.

Could somebody help me here, this is very critical to be running
production without proper backups .!

Thanx

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Oracle 9i hanging when linking during install !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Jackson Dumas
Hi All

We are having this major problem when we  are trying to install Oracle
9i software on HP-Unix 11. It just hangs when it's linking, please
help as we need to upgrade our production databases to 9i.

Check here :

Installing oracle 920. On linking getting the ff error :
Error in invoking ioracle of makefile
/$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk.

I have checked on
metalink and seen a suggestion of increasing swap space.My swap space
is currently 6Gb. Pls assist.


$ make -f $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk ioracle

 - Linking Oracle
rm -f /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle
 cc   -Wl,+s -Wl,+n +DA2.0W +DS2.0 -o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle -L/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/
-L/opt/oracle/92
0/lib/  `if /usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS | grep 64  /dev/null ; \
then echo -Wl,+pi 64M -Wl,+pd L -Wl,+padtext 16M -Wl,+paddata
1M ; \
else echo  ; fi` -Wl,-PF,linkorderfile
-Wl,+Ostaticprediction +O2 +Omultiprocessor +Oentrysched +Onolimit
+ESlit +
Olibcalls /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/opimai.o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ssoraed.o /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ttcsoi.o
 /opt/or
acle/920/lib/nautab.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naeet.o
/opt/oracle/920/lib/naect.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naedhs.o
/opt/oracle/920/r
dbms/lib/config.o  -lserver9 -lodm9  -lskgxp9 -lskgxn9 -lclient9
-lvsn9 -lwtcserver9  -lcommon9 -lgeneric9 /opt/oracle/920/
rdbms/lib/defopt.o  -lknlopt `if ar tv
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a | grep xsyeolap.o  /dev/null
21 ; then echo
-loraolap9 ; fi`  -lslax9 -lpls9  -lplp9   -ljox9  -lwwg9  `cat
/opt/oracle/920/lib/ldflags`-lnsslb9 -lncrypt9 -lnsgr9
 -lnzjs9 -ln9 -lnl9 -lnro9 -lmm -lnls9  -lcore9  -lxml9 -lunls9
-ltrace9  `if ar tv /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a
| grep kxmnsd.o  /dev/null 21 ; then echo   ; else echo
-lordsdo9; fi` -lctxc9 -lctx9 -lzx9 -lgx9 -lordimt9  -lsnls
9   `cat /opt/oracle/920/lib/sysliblist`  -lm   `if ar t
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libskgxp9.a | grep '^'skcsi.o  /dev/null 21
; then echo /opt/clic/lib/pa20_64/libclic_csi.a;fi`
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libocijdbc9.a -lxsd9 -lcres
Out of Memory.
*** Error exit code 12

Stop.

Total VM : 735.2mb   Sys Mem  : 354.9mb   User Mem:  1.99gb   Phys
Mem:  6.00gb
Active VM: 301.1mb   Buf Cache:  3.00gb   Free Mem: 674.4mb

ld: (Warning) Can't open the fdp output file linkorderfile

Pid 27501 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure.
Possible causes: insufficient memory or swap space,
or stack size exceeded maxssiz.
cc: error 1405: /usr/ccs/bin/ld terminated abnormally with signal
11.
*** Error exit code 11

Stop.
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RE: REQUEST FOR BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP / NEXT OF KIN

2003-02-21 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
Now I know where they got my e-mail...

Pat.

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Sorry all, this was supposed to go to the OT list!!

Mark

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Yay, I'm hitting one a day now!!

I won't forward anymore, I could become the king of spam myself! ;)

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RE: GRRRRR OWS

2003-02-21 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
Title: Message



Perhaps because no matter how many courses people attend, they won't 
learn how Oracle works without administering it in a real environment for a 
prolonged period of time.

No 
database of previously reported cases can make technicians learn how to 
troubleshoot -- they must have been in situations where they were forced to find 
answers by themselves. Even if the helpdesk technician has a flawless 
memory, and memorized all the cases, he/she still won't be able to treat new 
cases.

Not 
everyone can do that, and this is where the good DBAs get separated from the bad 
ones.

Until 
such a trial occurs, then you get a mixed bag of 
technicians.


Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 


  -Original Message-From: Charu Joshi 
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  RE: GR OWS
   in general since they moved most support to 
  India
   you get analysts that are more interested in 
  playing 
   the blame game than solving 
  problems.
  
  Being an Indian I am sad to hear this, but I have to 
  admit there's some truth in it. It is difficult to analyze why it should be 
  so, but it tallieswith my experience (albeit little) so 
  far.
  
  
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Yes, in general since they moved most support to India, you get 
analysts that are more interested in playing the blame game than solving 
problems. Sigh, I miss the Aussies. I sometimes used to 
wait to submit a TAR until they were on shift just because I got better. 
faster solutions. I find that I generally know more about what's going 
on than the new first tier support people.

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AW: Endianness using External Tables

2003-02-21 Thread Stefan Jahnke
Title: RE: Endianness using External Tables



Hi 
Melissa

Yes, I 
tried to do the same on a Windows PC today, but the results are the same (wrong 
byte order).
Any 
other ideas ? I already reached the point, where I wrote a function, that 
converts the wrong integers back to hex and these back to the correct integer. 

Shouldn't be the way to go.

Regards,
Stefan

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  Stefan, 
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  Hi everybody 
  I'm experiencing some problems with the endian byte order 
  parameter while processing data files from a mainframe 
  platform (OS/390). The data contains integers 
  (smallint, 2 bytes long), which come in big endian 
  format (high byte first). I'm importing the data on a Linux (PC) 
  platform (Oracle 9.2.0.1.0 on SuSE 7.2). 
  I used the following parameters: 
  -- TDOMAIN: 
  DROP TABLE SHINFRA.X_TDOMAIN; 
  CREATE TABLE SHINFRA.X_TDOMAIN (  ZID_DOMAIN NUMBER (15,0), 
   ZHI_ORGEINHEIT NUMBER (15,0),  ZHI_SYSEINDAT CHAR (26),  
  ZHI_SYSERSDAT CHAR (26),  ZHI_SYSGUADAT 
  DATE,  ZHI_SYSGUBDAT DATE,  ZHI_SYSMSGNR CHAR (26),  
  ZHI_STATUS INTEGER,  ZID_DOMAINBEZ NUMBER 
  (15,0),  ZDOMAINNAME CHAR(14) ) ORGANIZATION EXTERNAL (  TYPE ORACLE_LOADER  DEFAULT DIRECTORY SHINFRADATA  
  ACCESS PARAMETERS  (  RECORDS FIXED 138  CHARACTERSET='WE8EBCDIC500'  "DATA IS BIG ENDIAN"  FIELDS  
  REJECT ROWS WITH ALL NULL FIELDS  
  (  ZID_DOMAIN 
  POSITION(1:8) DECIMAL(15,0),  ZHI_ORGEINHEIT 
  POSITION(9:16) DECIMAL(15,0),  ZHI_SYSEINDAT 
  POSITION(17:42) CHAR(26),  ZHI_SYSERSDAT 
  POSITION(43:68) CHAR(26),  ZHI_SYSGUADAT 
  POSITION(69:78) CHAR(10) DATE_FORMAT DATE MASK 
  "DD.MM.",  ZHI_SYSGUBDAT 
  POSITION(79:88) CHAR(10) DATE_FORMAT DATE MASK 
  "DD.MM.",  ZHI_SYSMSGNR 
  POSITION(89:114) CHAR(26),  ZHI_STATUS POSITION(115:116) 
  INTEGER,  
  ZID_DOMAINBEZ POSITION(117:124) DECIMAL(15,0),  ZDOMAINNAME 
  POSITION(125:138) CHAR(14)  
  )  )  LOCATION 
  ('TDOMAIN') ) REJECT LIMIT 
  UNLIMITED; 
  The field of interest here is ZHI_STATUS. If it is let's say 
  00 01 in Hex format in the original data file, I'll 
  get a 256 decimal in the Oracle database, which points 
  to a byte order problem, because that would be 01 00. I tried all combinations like DATA IS BIG ENDIAN, LITTLE ENDIAN or 
  nothing. I get the following log file entries, but the 
  result remains the same (256 instead of 1): 
  
  LOG file opened at 02/20/03 13:53:53 
  Field Definitions for table X_TDOMAIN  Record format FIXED, record length 138  Data in file is in big endian format  Reject rows with all null fields 
   Fields in Data Source: 
  ... 
  LOG file opened at 02/20/03 13:54:33 
  Field Definitions for table X_TDOMAIN  Record format FIXED, record length 138  Data in file is in little endian format  Reject rows with all null fields 
   Fields in Data Source: 
  ... 
  LOG file opened at 02/20/03 13:55:26 
  Field Definitions for table X_TDOMAIN  Record format FIXED, record length 138  Data in file has same endianness as the platform 
   Reject rows with all null fields 
   Fields in Data Source: 
  It looks like the DATA IS  ENDIAN parameter doesn't do 
  anything. Is there a mistake / misunderstanding on my 
  side ? I already checked Metalink, but couldn't find 
  anything pointing to a bug related to external tables 
  and endianness or sql*loader and endianness. 
  Any ideas ? I'm getting pretty desperate here. 
  TIA, 
  Stefan Jahnke Consultant 
  BOV Aktiengesellschaft Voice: +49 201 
  

Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Charu Joshi
Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from the
application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent closure.
We don't have any access to the remote system to check the remote session
being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database itself?

Thanks  regards,
Charu


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RE: HPUX SCSI Performance

2003-02-21 Thread david hill
Title: RE: HPUX SCSI Performance









It turns out it's a bug with vxfs on
all Itanium system's

HP is starting to work on a patch for it hopefully
it'll be out soon



Thanks for the input though.



David Hill



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Subject: RE: HPUX SCSI Performance



Have you checked the
queue depths? There are several parameters your admin can use to tune
SCSI performance, but this is typically the first place to start with OLTP
systems. You might also look at your buffer cache settings (HP-UX ships
with these set at 10-20% I believe; in an Oracle environment, smaller cache
often makes sense (anything from 2-10 depending on your I/O patterns).



Rich





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HPUX 11i version 1.6 for itanium on vxfs


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What OS? What filesystem? 

Rich
Jesse
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Hi Guys 
I'm hoping there is sysadmin in the
list that can help me. 
 
We just received a brand new
Itanium Server to play with 
It has 2 U320 disk not
striped or mirrored or anything 
 
Doing test and monitoring them
through glance, is giving me a transfer rate 
of about 15Megs a sec

These should be up around 60 - 80
megs right? 
 
My sysadmin says there is nothing
he can do. 
Can someone tell if there is some
sort setting he hasn't set or a config 
somewhere? 
 
Thanks. 
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RE: Oracle 9i hanging when linking during install !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
I logged a TAR on Tuesday for the 9.2.0.2.0 patch on Tru64, same error --
turns out there is a shell memory allocation limit being reached.

161328.1  Relinking Oracle 9i on True64/HP-UX/Sun Fails With Out of Memory 

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Hi All

We are having this major problem when we  are trying to install Oracle
9i software on HP-Unix 11. It just hangs when it's linking, please
help as we need to upgrade our production databases to 9i.

Check here :

Installing oracle 920. On linking getting the ff error :
Error in invoking ioracle of makefile
/$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk.

I have checked on
metalink and seen a suggestion of increasing swap space.My swap space
is currently 6Gb. Pls assist.


$ make -f $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk ioracle

 - Linking Oracle
rm -f /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle
 cc   -Wl,+s -Wl,+n +DA2.0W +DS2.0 -o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle -L/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/
-L/opt/oracle/92
0/lib/  `if /usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS | grep 64  /dev/null ; \
then echo -Wl,+pi 64M -Wl,+pd L -Wl,+padtext 16M -Wl,+paddata
1M ; \
else echo  ; fi` -Wl,-PF,linkorderfile
-Wl,+Ostaticprediction +O2 +Omultiprocessor +Oentrysched +Onolimit
+ESlit +
Olibcalls /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/opimai.o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ssoraed.o /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ttcsoi.o
 /opt/or
acle/920/lib/nautab.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naeet.o
/opt/oracle/920/lib/naect.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naedhs.o
/opt/oracle/920/r
dbms/lib/config.o  -lserver9 -lodm9  -lskgxp9 -lskgxn9 -lclient9
-lvsn9 -lwtcserver9  -lcommon9 -lgeneric9 /opt/oracle/920/
rdbms/lib/defopt.o  -lknlopt `if ar tv
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a | grep xsyeolap.o  /dev/null
21 ; then echo
-loraolap9 ; fi`  -lslax9 -lpls9  -lplp9   -ljox9  -lwwg9  `cat
/opt/oracle/920/lib/ldflags`-lnsslb9 -lncrypt9 -lnsgr9
 -lnzjs9 -ln9 -lnl9 -lnro9 -lmm -lnls9  -lcore9  -lxml9 -lunls9
-ltrace9  `if ar tv /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a
| grep kxmnsd.o  /dev/null 21 ; then echo   ; else echo
-lordsdo9; fi` -lctxc9 -lctx9 -lzx9 -lgx9 -lordimt9  -lsnls
9   `cat /opt/oracle/920/lib/sysliblist`  -lm   `if ar t
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libskgxp9.a | grep '^'skcsi.o  /dev/null 21
; then echo /opt/clic/lib/pa20_64/libclic_csi.a;fi`
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libocijdbc9.a -lxsd9 -lcres
Out of Memory.
*** Error exit code 12

Stop.

Total VM : 735.2mb   Sys Mem  : 354.9mb   User Mem:  1.99gb   Phys
Mem:  6.00gb
Active VM: 301.1mb   Buf Cache:  3.00gb   Free Mem: 674.4mb

ld: (Warning) Can't open the fdp output file linkorderfile

Pid 27501 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure.
Possible causes: insufficient memory or swap space,
or stack size exceeded maxssiz.
cc: error 1405: /usr/ccs/bin/ld terminated abnormally with signal
11.
*** Error exit code 11

Stop.
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RE: Oracle 9i hanging when linking during install !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
Review and increase kernel parameters maxtsiz, maxdsiz, maxssiz (maxtsiz_64bit, 
maxdsiz_64bit, maxssiz_64bit). It is possible that maxssiz (process stack space) is 
too low, and hence 'Out of Memory'.  
Refer to HP-UX Oracle Installation Guide for some guidelines to select proper values 
for these parameters. Kernel rebuilding and rebooting of the server will be needed :( 

- Kirti 


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Hi All

We are having this major problem when we  are trying to install Oracle
9i software on HP-Unix 11. It just hangs when it's linking, please
help as we need to upgrade our production databases to 9i.

Check here :

Installing oracle 920. On linking getting the ff error :
Error in invoking ioracle of makefile
/$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk.

I have checked on
metalink and seen a suggestion of increasing swap space.My swap space
is currently 6Gb. Pls assist.


$ make -f $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk ioracle

 - Linking Oracle
rm -f /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle
 cc   -Wl,+s -Wl,+n +DA2.0W +DS2.0 -o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle -L/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/
-L/opt/oracle/92
0/lib/  `if /usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS | grep 64  /dev/null ; \
then echo -Wl,+pi 64M -Wl,+pd L -Wl,+padtext 16M -Wl,+paddata
1M ; \
else echo  ; fi` -Wl,-PF,linkorderfile
-Wl,+Ostaticprediction +O2 +Omultiprocessor +Oentrysched +Onolimit
+ESlit +
Olibcalls /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/opimai.o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ssoraed.o /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ttcsoi.o
 /opt/or
acle/920/lib/nautab.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naeet.o
/opt/oracle/920/lib/naect.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naedhs.o
/opt/oracle/920/r
dbms/lib/config.o  -lserver9 -lodm9  -lskgxp9 -lskgxn9 -lclient9
-lvsn9 -lwtcserver9  -lcommon9 -lgeneric9 /opt/oracle/920/
rdbms/lib/defopt.o  -lknlopt `if ar tv
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a | grep xsyeolap.o  /dev/null
21 ; then echo
-loraolap9 ; fi`  -lslax9 -lpls9  -lplp9   -ljox9  -lwwg9  `cat
/opt/oracle/920/lib/ldflags`-lnsslb9 -lncrypt9 -lnsgr9
 -lnzjs9 -ln9 -lnl9 -lnro9 -lmm -lnls9  -lcore9  -lxml9 -lunls9
-ltrace9  `if ar tv /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a
| grep kxmnsd.o  /dev/null 21 ; then echo   ; else echo
-lordsdo9; fi` -lctxc9 -lctx9 -lzx9 -lgx9 -lordimt9  -lsnls
9   `cat /opt/oracle/920/lib/sysliblist`  -lm   `if ar t
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libskgxp9.a | grep '^'skcsi.o  /dev/null 21
; then echo /opt/clic/lib/pa20_64/libclic_csi.a;fi`
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libocijdbc9.a -lxsd9 -lcres
Out of Memory.
*** Error exit code 12

Stop.

Total VM : 735.2mb   Sys Mem  : 354.9mb   User Mem:  1.99gb   Phys
Mem:  6.00gb
Active VM: 301.1mb   Buf Cache:  3.00gb   Free Mem: 674.4mb

ld: (Warning) Can't open the fdp output file linkorderfile

Pid 27501 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure.
Possible causes: insufficient memory or swap space,
or stack size exceeded maxssiz.
cc: error 1405: /usr/ccs/bin/ld terminated abnormally with signal
11.
*** Error exit code 11

Stop.
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Replication

2003-02-21 Thread Ramon E. Estevez
Title: Message



I was asked of a 
problem in a friend's site about replication.

The 
problem.

They implemented 
replication using Materialized Views with an refresh update of ON DEMAND and 
some immediate. It works for some days and suddenly some MV stop 
replicating.

He has checked 
metalink, but can't open a TAR.

Is there any 
recommendation that you can give him to check.



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JDBC driver parameters

2003-02-21 Thread Jean Berthold


Hello,
We have an Java application wich is establish a database connection
via JDBC driver,
by using a parameter file:
---
#JDBC_Driver=oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver
#JDBC_URL=jdbc:oracle:thin:@chicago.eos.elro:1521:dgesten
#JDBC_User=...
#JDBC_Password=...
---
Sometime the connection time is very long.
In the same time, if I try to connect via SQLPLUS, the connection is
immediate ...
Questions:

1. Is it possible to give SDU and TDU parameters on the JDBC connect
string ? (tnsname isn't used by JDBC, true ?)
 I have SDU=32767 and TDU=32767 in my tnsnames.ora. It
is quick, but it is a correct setting ?
2. Are response time given by wait_event view, like event="SQL*Net..."
 including JDBC connections ?
3. Is a big value in the event field time_waited (for SQL*Net ...)
necessarily mention a network problem, or
 a bad parameter connection ?
About wait_events, what do you think about this statspack ouptut ?

Avg

Total Wait wait Waits
Event
Waits Timeouts Time (cs) (ms)
/txn
  -- ---
-- --
...
...
SQL*Net break/reset to clien
2 0
0 0 0.0
SQL*Net message from client
51,171 0
6,502,293 1271 40.5
SQL*Net more data from clien
81 0
14 2 0.1
SQL*Net message to client
51,171 0
9 0 40.5

Thanks for your help, have a nice week-end and ... I hope you will understand
my english wich is so ugly :-(
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RE: ORA-02046

2003-02-21 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
If on UNIX, running the oerr utility can be helpful to quickly find a bit more 
information about ORA errors: (I do not know, what's available on Windows). 

df2hp105 [oracle] = oerr ora 2046
02046, 0, distributed transaction already begun
// *Cause: internal error or error in external transaction manager.
// A server session received a begin_tran RPC before finishing
// with a previous distributed tran.

Check if there are any trace files generated to find any clues, else, open an iTAR 
(??). 

- Kirti 

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I'm getting the following error  while trying to select from table using dblink:
ORA-02046 distributed transaction already begun 


Thanks
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RE: Oracle Reports!

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RE: Veritas Agent for Oracle / incremental backups vs. hot

2003-02-21 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
that's it.

Thanks Jared.

Pat.

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Not necessarily.  If you're backing up vxfs with Veritas Netbackup
and also have someother component from Veritas that I can't recall
at the moment, filesystem incrementals are made at the FS block level.

You only backup new blocks, or blocks that have been touched.

Jared

On Wednesday 19 February 2003 12:09, Nelson, Allan wrote:
 Actually assuming you checkpoint or commit at least once between backups
it
 would not make any difference at all.  An incremental backup catches
 changed files since the last backup which will typically be all your data
 files.  SCN's get updated in all headers if any thing changes.

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 My manager asked me to assess how much smaller our backups would be if we
 were doing incremental backups of our database files, instead of the usual
 hot backups.

 We are running 8i on UNIX.

 I know that the answer is it depends and you can't really know 'till
you
 try, but we are just looking for a ballpark figure, perhaps in
 percentages.

 Our databases are between OLTP and DSS, closer to DSS environment, this
 being a scientific site.

 Thanks.
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RE: Order of Redo log use

2003-02-21 Thread Hand, Michael T
Jared,
No they do not have to begin with 1 and in fact my 10 groups are currently
11 - 20.  I too have rearranged/reorg'ed redo logs while the database was
up.  Mostly with success, but in one case linesize was too short when I
built my script and production (V7.3) was briefly left with only one redo
log.  It also seems that my current conundrum is due to insufficient
controls while adding new redo log groups to a live database in the past.

Downtime is mostly for segment/tablespace reorg (no, not to compress extents
;-) ).

Mike

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Mike,

Is there any reason your redo logs must begin with 1?

You don't need to take the database down to do this, just
start with a higher number.

Or, if you insist on consecutive numbers starting with 1, just
create a temp set of redo, drop the old ones, recreate them,
then drop the temp set.

I've done this a few times to resize/reorg redo on disk without
taking the database down.

Jared




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Re: Oracle unauthenticated remote system compromise (

2003-02-21 Thread Joan Hsieh
Hi Kirti,

We are on v8.1.7.2 32-bit on IBM 4.3.3. I am not sure should we have to
apply the 8.1.7.4 patch? Sometimes just read the note is very confusing,
so just apply this patch to upgrade to 8.1.7.4?

Joan

Deshpande, Kirti wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 If anyone successfully applied this patch (for Alert #51) to 8.1.7.4 32-bit on HP-UX 
11.0, please let me know. It seems that the patch is not able to find a couple of 
required lib files. Nothing found on the Metalink of any help... (I will log an iTAR 
soon).
 
 No problem on AIX, though.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Partition recovery question

2003-02-21 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
I lost a data file that contained the tablespace for an empty partition. I
dropped the datafile from Oracle, and the table itself seems okay, but I'm
wondering what I can do with that partition. Can I simply merge that
partition with another partition? Any ideas especially if you've encountered
a similar situation would be welcome.
 
Oracle 8.1.6
Alpha Tru64
Range partitions
 



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RE: How do you calcuate the temp space needed for view?

2003-02-21 Thread Nelson, Allan
You might not have to increase the tablespace size.  Maxextents = 121 is
likely to be a bigger part of the problem.  Query dba_tablespaces and
look at your intial and next values as well as your maxextents
parameter.  You might find you have enough datafile space and are
choking on the default storage clause for this TS.  Alter tablespace
default storage (initial XXX next XXX maxextents (505 or unlimited or
whatever seems right to you) pctincrease (0 if you are using a uniform
allocation strategy)) will get you out of this problem.  Even adding
datafiles will not help you with this specific problem as you are trying
to sort something larger than the default storage clause for temp will
allow.

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Hi Gurus,

I issue the following command select count(*) from view1 and encounter
the following error ORA-01630: max # extents (121) reached in temp
segment in tablespace TEMP.  I think I need to increase the tablespace
TEMP  but how do I calculate the temporary space needed ? 

Assuming view1 is select * from table1, table2 where
table1.Col1=table2.Col1 Is the temporary space needed = (table 1
row-length * table 1 total number of rows ) * (table 2 row-length *
table 2 total number of rows ) ?

Any advice ? Thanks.

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RE: Snapshot Too Old Error on Export !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Nelson, Allan
You might try running hot backups at the OS level instead.  It sounds
like your export is just taking too long.  To get it to work with active
users on board you might have to increase your rollback segments to
truly ridiculous levels especially if you have large batches running
while the export is running.  To really understand the issue go to
http://www.ixora.com.au and look at Steve Adams' material on snapshot
too old.

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Hi all

I have a problem when doing an export in one of ourt production
databases. The export fails with ORA-01555, snapshot too old error.

I have increased the number of rollback segments and their sizes on the
database. Also I have went to an extent of specifying the parameter
constent=n on my script but backups fails. The worst part is this export
runs for a long time and then fails, more than 24 hours.

The only time that this export succeed is over the weekend, because most
of the time few people are working or not at all. Now I have tried to
start it after hours but as I said it still takes long and end up
failing the next day.

Could somebody help me here, this is very critical to be running
production without proper backups .!

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RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???

2003-02-21 Thread Loughmiller, Greg



go 
get'm big dawg In all honesty, this was educational to me as I'm not 
sure that a lot of people understand the process for the selection.. I have 
learned something today. And once that's accomplished, I need to celebrate.. So 
now I can go home and drink beer for the rest of the day:-)

Matt-I65 was really ugly last weekend with the Sunday 
Ice:-) 

  -Original Message-From: Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 
  088130) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 20, 
  2003 2:51 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Teradata baned from 
  IOUG???
  Alright, Mogens. I'll stand up 
  here.
  
  I'm 
  one of the two DBA focus area managers (FAMs) for IOUG 2003. My fellow 
  
  FAM 
  and abstract reviewers (3 of them) and I are the ones who
  choose this presentation (along with all the others 
  in the DBA track).
  
  None 
  of us are employed by TUSC or by Oracle.
  
  You 
  statement: "how certain presentations with the word "ratio" and 
  
  something negative in their heading don't make it 
  through the 
  selection process, while presentations with the word 
  "ratio" 
  and 
  something positive make it through." is technically 
  accurate.
  The 
  only other presentation with the word "ratio" in the title was 
  
  rejected.However, there are a number 
  ofotherspresentations
  that 
  fall within this specific area oftuning by a number of 
  people,
  including Roger Schrag, Cary 
  Millsap,Jonathan Lewis,
  
  I 
  cannot and will not go into the particulars of why a 
  specific presentation was chosen, but I can tell you 
  
  that 
  no weight was given to the employer of the speaker.
  Matt Adams - GE 
  Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]We have enough youth.How about a 
  fountain of intelligence? 
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:34 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Teradata baned from IOUG???Then why this feeling (in 
  other countries, too) that IOUG should be called TOUG instead? Funny how 
  certain presentations with the word "ratio" and something negative in their 
  heading don't make it through the selection process, while presentations with 
  the word "ratio" and something positive make it through. Funny how an abstract 
  like the following nonsense makes it through the process. Just downright 
  funny, strange and not very convincing... who in their right mind said this 
  was a professional presentation that would be of interest to any serious 
  optimiser guy or girl? Somebody must have said Aye to this. Are you ready? 
  Here we go:"Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your hit ratio 
  with claims that it is meaningless. This shallow minded view (usually by 
  people who sell a tuning tool) ignores why people look at hit ratios and 
  what they are looking for. This quick tip talk will show you what to look 
  for and why. You will definitely know when, where  why to look at 
  your hit ratio in the future. Show you why your hit ratio matters. How 
  to analyze the hit ratio. Fallacies by those who want to sell you products 
  and tools instead. " Henry Poras wrote:
  

Neither is David Teplow (former president of 
NOUG)

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  Daniel W. FinkSent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:59 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  Re: Teradata baned from IOUG???I know Stan Yellott is 
  not a TUSC employee. He is the President of RMOUG and a great guy who has 
  worked behind the scenes at many IOUG conferences. He is a tremendous 
  calming influence (as many of us recall from San Diego).I don't 
  think Ian, Mark, Bill, Stephen or Steve are TUSC Employees, unless they 
  have changed jobs recently.Henry Poras wrote:
  Anyone know if any of the 10 people running for the Board of Directors for
IOUG is a TUSC employee? Noone claims it in their statements.

Henry


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me too...

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evidently i'm not the only one who thinks that, interesting.

joe



  It seems to me that IOUG has become a wholly owned
subsidiary of TUSC.  TUSC in turn has an incestuous
relationship with Oracle.  All very cozy.

No real complaint about the arrangements.  Someone has
to step up to the plate if IOUG is going to continue
to be a viable organization and in this economic
climate few can afford to do it.

Should IOUG be able to survive without Oracle?
Probably.  Will it be able to survive without Oracle?
I doubt it.


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It should be 

Re: Replication

2003-02-21 Thread Arup Nanda
Title: Message



Is the MV set up for FAST REFRESH or 
COMPLETE?

If FAST REFRESH, check to see if the tablespace of 
MV Log table, named MLOG$_tablename where tablename is the first 
20 characters of the table on which the log is based, has enough space for the 
mlog$ to grow.

If complete refresh, do it manually from command 
line

exec 
DBMS_SNAPSHOT.REFRESH('tablename,'CF')

and see what error message is given. A few things 
come to my mind

(1) not enough temp space for the sorting to occur 
for he MV
(2) not enough rollback segment space.

Either way, you will see the exact error it fails 
on.

HTH.

Arup Nanda

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  Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:19 
  AM
  Subject: Replication
  
  I was asked of a 
  problem in a friend's site about replication.
  
  The 
  problem.
  
  They implemented 
  replication using Materialized Views with an refresh update of ON DEMAND and 
  some immediate. It works for some days and suddenly some MV stop 
  replicating.
  
  He has checked 
  metalink, but can't open a TAR.
  
  Is there any 
  recommendation that you can give him to check.
  
  
  
  Ramon E. 
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recursive calls and DBMS_JOB

2003-02-21 Thread John Clarke
I'm trying to isolate high CPU consumers in a stressed application, and have noticed 
that I'm spending a lot of time doing recursive calls.  Specifically, a high 
percentage of recursive calls and recursive CPU usage come from the following 
anonymous block:
 
DECLARE job BINARY INTEGER :=job; next_date .
 
My question is this:  Are the recursive cpu/call stats that are accumulating a result 
of the procedures scheduled within DBMS_JOB (there are a handful of these procedures), 
or is this likely due to DBMS_JOB (and whatever logic it uses to keep itself doing 
what it should) itself?
 
Thanks
 
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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Nelson, Allan
Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my contribution
:-).  PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
not interesting.  Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
code to them.  What we should do is mount an Open Source project to
embed Perl and TCL into Python so that we could create one large
abomination in which any syntax or facility that pleases us could be
used.  Concealing your intellectual property would be simple.  Write
whatever suites you at the time, no one, not even you, will be able to
figure out what you wrote after you've been away for it a week.

Allan

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Assembler.


On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter wrote:
 I wonder if I can throw in a further caveat to the choices people 
 would make?

 If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a 
 program or application in which you wished to conceal your 
 intellectual property, which would you use?

 peter
 edinburgh

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 On top of learning Oracle, which programming languages would also 
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Re: Installing Oracle Apps 11i on Linux

2003-02-21 Thread Dale
No problem. If you can figure out a way to install it without using that
ugly little adcrdb.sh hack that I had to do I would really appreciate you
telling me. Except for that bit the install isn't too bad.

Cheers
- Dale

 thanks for sharing, this is going to be pretty useful in the future. I
read
 the warnings and had a copy of Suse 7.0 at home so I've only ever
installed
 it onto the recommended platform. Armed with your summary I may have a
shot
 at installing it on 8.1.


 The link below contains a summary of my experiences in installing
 Oracle Apps 11i (11.5.7) on Linux (Redhat 8.0 and SUSE 8.1
 Professional).

 I'm posting it because I would really have appreciated being able to read
 something like this prior to starting my installation :-)

 http://databee.com/apps11i_install.htm

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 - Dale
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Re: Partition recovery question

2003-02-21 Thread Arup Nanda
Dennis,

Why not just drop the partition?

Arup


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 I lost a data file that contained the tablespace for an empty partition. I
 dropped the datafile from Oracle, and the table itself seems okay, but I'm
 wondering what I can do with that partition. Can I simply merge that
 partition with another partition? Any ideas especially if you've
encountered
 a similar situation would be welcome.

 Oracle 8.1.6
 Alpha Tru64
 Range partitions




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RE: Oracle 9i hanging when linking during install !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Nelson, Allan
It is likely that you will have to rebuild your kernel.  If you start
sam as root and go to kernel confiuration - configurable parameters you
will find parameters named maxssiz and maxssiz_64bit.  Adjust them to
allow the stack enough space to perform your link.  Note that you will
only need to adjust one of them depending on whether you are 32 or 64
bit.  We are on HP-UX 11i and maxssiz is set to about 8M.  Caveat:  We
have not installed 9i on this box.  On another 11i box where 9i has been
installed (not by me) I find maxssize set to about 134M and
maxssiz_64Bit set to about 1G.  Hope this helps.

Allan

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Hi All

We are having this major problem when we  are trying to install Oracle
9i software on HP-Unix 11. It just hangs when it's linking, please help
as we need to upgrade our production databases to 9i.

Check here :

Installing oracle 920. On linking getting the ff error :
Error in invoking ioracle of makefile
/$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk.

I have checked on
metalink and seen a suggestion of increasing swap space.My swap space is
currently 6Gb. Pls assist.


$ make -f $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk ioracle

 - Linking Oracle
rm -f /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle
 cc   -Wl,+s -Wl,+n +DA2.0W +DS2.0 -o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle -L/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/
-L/opt/oracle/92 0/lib/  `if /usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS | grep 64 
/dev/null ; \
then echo -Wl,+pi 64M -Wl,+pd L -Wl,+padtext 16M -Wl,+paddata
1M ; \
else echo  ; fi` -Wl,-PF,linkorderfile -Wl,+Ostaticprediction
+O2 +Omultiprocessor +Oentrysched +Onolimit
+ESlit +
Olibcalls /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/opimai.o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ssoraed.o /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ttcsoi.o
 /opt/or
acle/920/lib/nautab.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naeet.o
/opt/oracle/920/lib/naect.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naedhs.o
/opt/oracle/920/r dbms/lib/config.o  -lserver9 -lodm9  -lskgxp9 -lskgxn9
-lclient9 -lvsn9 -lwtcserver9  -lcommon9 -lgeneric9 /opt/oracle/920/
rdbms/lib/defopt.o  -lknlopt `if ar tv
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a | grep xsyeolap.o  /dev/null
21 ; then echo
-loraolap9 ; fi`  -lslax9 -lpls9  -lplp9   -ljox9  -lwwg9  `cat
/opt/oracle/920/lib/ldflags`-lnsslb9 -lncrypt9 -lnsgr9
 -lnzjs9 -ln9 -lnl9 -lnro9 -lmm -lnls9  -lcore9  -lxml9 -lunls9 -ltrace9
`if ar tv /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a
| grep kxmnsd.o  /dev/null 21 ; then echo   ; else echo
-lordsdo9; fi` -lctxc9 -lctx9 -lzx9 -lgx9 -lordimt9  -lsnls
9   `cat /opt/oracle/920/lib/sysliblist`  -lm   `if ar t
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libskgxp9.a | grep '^'skcsi.o  /dev/null 21 ;
then echo /opt/clic/lib/pa20_64/libclic_csi.a;fi`
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libocijdbc9.a -lxsd9 -lcres
Out of Memory.
*** Error exit code 12

Stop.

Total VM : 735.2mb   Sys Mem  : 354.9mb   User Mem:  1.99gb   Phys
Mem:  6.00gb
Active VM: 301.1mb   Buf Cache:  3.00gb   Free Mem: 674.4mb

ld: (Warning) Can't open the fdp output file linkorderfile

Pid 27501 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure.
Possible causes: insufficient memory or swap space,
or stack size exceeded maxssiz.
cc: error 1405: /usr/ccs/bin/ld terminated abnormally with signal 11.
*** Error exit code 11

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Re: Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Arup Nanda
Charu,

The view V$DBLINK can show you if the link is in use.

select open_cursors, in_transaction
from v$dblonk
where db_link = 'mylink'

HTH.

Arup Nanda

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 Dear Listers,

 Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

 We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from the
 application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
 'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they claim!!).

 We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent closure.
 We don't have any access to the remote system to check the remote session
 being created and closed.

 Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
 database link being in use and closed again on the local database itself?

 Thanks  regards,
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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Weiss, Rick
FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even heard of it, much less
actually made $$$ using it

Rick Weiss

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Assembler.


On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter wrote:
 I wonder if I can throw in a further caveat to the choices people 
 would make?

 If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a 
 program or application in which you wished to conceal your 
 intellectual property, which would you use?

 peter
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 On top of learning Oracle, which programming languages would also 
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need to compare long data against varchar2

2003-02-21 Thread Markham, Richard
Title: need to compare long data against varchar2





I need to devise a method of comparing the TEXT column of dba_views against varchar2.
End result I want to find the views that reference a particular table within its text.


example (which ~obviously~ will not work):
select view_name
from dba_views
where text like '%table_name%


I understand that a query or PL/SQL procedure of this sort would be long running, but
getting the concept to work would be a start.


TIA





RE: Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Nelson, Allan
V$dblink

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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
itself?

Thanks  regards,
Charu


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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Robson, Peter
Hey, just a minute - aren't you forgetting Dos... ?

peter


Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my contribution
:-).  PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
not interesting.  Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
code to them.  What we should do is mount an Open Source project to
embed Perl and TCL into Python so that we could create one large
abomination in which any syntax or facility that pleases us could be
used.  Concealing your intellectual property would be simple.  Write
whatever suites you at the time, no one, not even you, will be able to
figure out what you wrote after you've been away for it a week.

Allan

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On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter wrote:
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 If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a 
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RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???

2003-02-21 Thread Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 088130)



If 
there is a demand, I will be happy to expound at some length
on the 
processes by which the papers for our track were chosen, 

but I 
do believe that a different forum might 
be 
appropriate, as we are getting a bit far off the main
topic 
of how to manage Oracle technology.

We 
spent last weekend in Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge 
The 
drive on I-75 from Knoxville, TN up to Lexington, KY and then 

I-64 
over to Louisville was quite a drive as well.

Send 
me an e-mail offline next time your going to
be in 
the area and I'll introduce to the very fine products
of the 
Bluegrass Brewing Company.

Matt Adams - GE 
Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]We have enough youth.How about a 
fountain of intelligence? 

-Original Message-From: Loughmiller, Greg 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 
10:00 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???
go 
get'm big dawg In all honesty, this was educational to me as I'm not 
sure that a lot of people understand the process for the selection.. I have 
learned something today. And once that's accomplished, I need to celebrate.. So 
now I can go home and drink beer for the rest of the day:-)

Matt-I65 was really ugly last weekend with the Sunday 
Ice:-) 

  -Original Message-From: Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 
  088130) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 20, 
  2003 2:51 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Teradata baned from 
  IOUG???
  Alright, Mogens. I'll stand up 
  here.
  
  I'm 
  one of the two DBA focus area managers (FAMs) for IOUG 2003. My fellow 
  
  FAM 
  and abstract reviewers (3 of them) and I are the ones who
  choose this presentation (along with all the others 
  in the DBA track).
  
  None 
  of us are employed by TUSC or by Oracle.
  
  You 
  statement: "how certain presentations with the word "ratio" and 
  
  something negative in their heading don't make it 
  through the 
  selection process, while presentations with the word 
  "ratio" 
  and 
  something positive make it through." is technically 
  accurate.
  The 
  only other presentation with the word "ratio" in the title was 
  
  rejected.However, there are a number 
  ofotherspresentations
  that 
  fall within this specific area oftuning by a number of 
  people,
  including Roger Schrag, Cary 
  Millsap,Jonathan Lewis,
  
  I 
  cannot and will not go into the particulars of why a 
  specific presentation was chosen, but I can tell you 
  
  that 
  no weight was given to the employer of the speaker.
  Matt Adams - GE 
  Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]We have enough youth.How about a 
  fountain of intelligence? 
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:34 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Teradata baned from IOUG???Then why this feeling (in 
  other countries, too) that IOUG should be called TOUG instead? Funny how 
  certain presentations with the word "ratio" and something negative in their 
  heading don't make it through the selection process, while presentations with 
  the word "ratio" and something positive make it through. Funny how an abstract 
  like the following nonsense makes it through the process. Just downright 
  funny, strange and not very convincing... who in their right mind said this 
  was a professional presentation that would be of interest to any serious 
  optimiser guy or girl? Somebody must have said Aye to this. Are you ready? 
  Here we go:"Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your hit ratio 
  with claims that it is meaningless. This shallow minded view (usually by 
  people who sell a tuning tool) ignores why people look at hit ratios and 
  what they are looking for. This quick tip talk will show you what to look 
  for and why. You will definitely know when, where  why to look at 
  your hit ratio in the future. Show you why your hit ratio matters. How 
  to analyze the hit ratio. Fallacies by those who want to sell you products 
  and tools instead. " Henry Poras wrote:
  

Neither is David Teplow (former president of 
NOUG)

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  Daniel W. FinkSent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:59 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  Re: Teradata baned from IOUG???I know Stan Yellott is 
  not a TUSC employee. He is the President of RMOUG and a great guy who has 
  worked behind the scenes at many IOUG conferences. He is a tremendous 
  calming influence (as many of us recall from San Diego).I don't 
  think Ian, Mark, Bill, Stephen or Steve are TUSC Employees, unless they 
  have changed jobs recently.Henry Poras wrote:
  Anyone know if any of the 10 people running for the Board of Directors for
IOUG is a TUSC employee? Noone claims it in their statements.

Henry



RE: Oracle 9i hanging when linking during install !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Simon . Anderson

There's a note on metalink that covers some of the relevant parameters:
68105.1 'Commonly Misconfigured HP-UX Kernel Parameters'.

9i is a lot more resource hungry than 8i, and you need to make sure you
have the right HP-UX patchsets.

Cheers
Simon Anderson




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Review and increase kernel parameters maxtsiz, maxdsiz, maxssiz
(maxtsiz_64bit, maxdsiz_64bit, maxssiz_64bit). It is possible that maxssiz
(process stack space) is too low, and hence 'Out of Memory'.
Refer to HP-UX Oracle Installation Guide for some guidelines to select
proper values for these parameters. Kernel rebuilding and rebooting of the
server will be needed :(

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Hi All

We are having this major problem when we  are trying to install Oracle
9i software on HP-Unix 11. It just hangs when it's linking, please
help as we need to upgrade our production databases to 9i.

Check here :

Installing oracle 920. On linking getting the ff error :
Error in invoking ioracle of makefile
/$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk.

I have checked on
metalink and seen a suggestion of increasing swap space.My swap space
is currently 6Gb. Pls assist.


$ make -f $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk ioracle

 - Linking Oracle
rm -f /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle
 cc   -Wl,+s -Wl,+n +DA2.0W +DS2.0 -o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle -L/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/
-L/opt/oracle/92
0/lib/  `if /usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS | grep 64  /dev/null ; \
then echo -Wl,+pi 64M -Wl,+pd L -Wl,+padtext 16M -Wl,+paddata
1M ; \
else echo  ; fi` -Wl,-PF,linkorderfile
-Wl,+Ostaticprediction +O2 +Omultiprocessor +Oentrysched +Onolimit
+ESlit +
Olibcalls /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/opimai.o
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ssoraed.o /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ttcsoi.o
 /opt/or
acle/920/lib/nautab.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naeet.o
/opt/oracle/920/lib/naect.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naedhs.o
/opt/oracle/920/r
dbms/lib/config.o  -lserver9 -lodm9  -lskgxp9 -lskgxn9 -lclient9
-lvsn9 -lwtcserver9  -lcommon9 -lgeneric9 /opt/oracle/920/
rdbms/lib/defopt.o  -lknlopt `if ar tv
/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a | grep xsyeolap.o  /dev/null
21 ; then echo
-loraolap9 ; fi`  -lslax9 -lpls9  -lplp9   -ljox9  -lwwg9  `cat
/opt/oracle/920/lib/ldflags`-lnsslb9 -lncrypt9 -lnsgr9
 -lnzjs9 -ln9 -lnl9 -lnro9 -lmm -lnls9  -lcore9  -lxml9 -lunls9
-ltrace9  `if ar tv /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a
| grep kxmnsd.o  /dev/null 21 ; then echo   ; else echo
-lordsdo9; fi` -lctxc9 -lctx9 -lzx9 -lgx9 -lordimt9  -lsnls
9   `cat /opt/oracle/920/lib/sysliblist`  -lm   `if ar t
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libskgxp9.a | grep '^'skcsi.o  /dev/null 21
; then echo /opt/clic/lib/pa20_64/libclic_csi.a;fi`
/opt/oracle/920/lib/libocijdbc9.a -lxsd9 -lcres
Out of Memory.
*** Error exit code 12

Stop.

Total VM : 735.2mb   Sys Mem  : 354.9mb   User Mem:  1.99gb   Phys
Mem:  6.00gb
Active VM: 301.1mb   Buf Cache:  3.00gb   Free Mem: 674.4mb

ld: (Warning) Can't open the fdp output file linkorderfile

Pid 27501 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure.
Possible causes: insufficient memory or swap space,
or stack size exceeded maxssiz.
cc: error 1405: /usr/ccs/bin/ld terminated abnormally with signal
11.
*** Error exit code 11

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RE: RMAN gui...in OEM 9.x i

2003-02-21 Thread Grant Allen
 I will echo Joe's sentiments on knowing the command line.

 It has the added benefits of not doing things you were unaware
 of after pushing the 'go' button, as the much better understanding
 of RMAN you will attain by learning to do it from the keyboard.

 Jared

I'll echo Jared's comments here.  I've basically taught myself RMAN this
week - all via the console - and don't regret a minute of it.  Don't be
scared ... you can start with commands as simple as 'BACKUP DATABASE;' and
'RESTORE DATABASE; RECOVER DATABASE;' and build up from there (at least in
9.x).  Another advantage of the console is the status messages provided
during backup and recovery ... better than watching spinning wheels or an
hour-glass in a GUI!

Ciao
Fuzzy
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RE: Snapshot Too Old Error on Export !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Stephen Lee

I would echo a previous post that you can't backup a database with the
export utility.  I suspect you get your error because you are using
consistent=y in the export.  The database is trying to give you data as of
the time you started the export.  The fact that you are getting the snapshot
too old message is evidence that the data is changing while you are
exporting -- to the extent that the database is eventually unable to keep
doing it -- but these data changes will not be in the export file.

A genuine backup using rman or the old alter tablespace begin backup method
is the only proper backup.

If you are trying to get production data to move into a test/development
database schema, then export is certainly the most convenient way of doing
it.  If you are, in fact, trying to backup the database, here is something
to get you started.

If the filesystem to which your export file is going is big enough, consider
using that filesystem to store a database backup instead of an export.
Assuming it is /where/it/goes, try the following:

Make sure sys (or system, if you prefer) has been granted sysdba in the
database.
Create two files with text similar to the following:

for file named backup_database.rcv:
-- snip -
run {
allocate channel ch1 type disk format '/where/it/goes/%U_DATA';
set command id to 'rman';
backup
   tag backup_db_full
   (database include current controlfile);
release channel ch1;
}
- snip --
This will backup the database.

for file named backup_arch.rcv
- snip 
run {
allocate channel ch1 type disk format '/where/it/goes/%U_ARCH';
set command id to 'rman';
change archivelog all crosscheck;
backup
   (archivelog all delete input);
backup ***This line and the next if you are duplexing archived logs***
   (archivelog like '/directory/where/duplexed/archivelogs/are/%' delete
input);
release channel ch1;
allocate channel ch1 type disk format '/where/it/goes/%U_CONTROL';
backup current controlfile tag='backup';
release channel ch1;
sql ALTER DATABASE BACKUP CONTROLFILE TO
''/where/it/goes/CONTROL_FILE.BAK'' REUSE;
}
 snip 
This will backup the archived logs and the control file.  Note that the last
command tells the database to make a physical copy of the control file.  The
reason for this is that rman has been writing backup info to the control
while the backup is running.  So you make a copy of it after the backup has
completed in case you lose all copies of your control files.  If your
database and all control files got completely blown away, you can copy the
control file copy back to where it was and start restoring.  You might note
that I backup the control file ... and back it up ... and back it up.
That's just paranoia.  You can put the whole thing into one file.  The
reason for having them separate is in case you need to free up space in the
archive_log_dest by backing up just the archived logs.

To run a backup, type in the following commands:

rman nocatalog
connect target sys/qwerty@DBNAME
@backup_database.rcv
@backup_arch.rcv
exit

Now, make sure you backup /where/it/goes directory to tape with whatever
operating system backup utility you are using.

One thing that can be added, if you want to be extra thorough, is to put in
a log switch followed by an archive log current, after you run the
archivelog backup.  Then you run ANOTHER archivelog backup.  In the world of
Murphy's Law, you do it this way because your archive_log_dest will, some
day, at the worst possible time, be unable to accommodate a log switch and
archive log current.  So you clean it out first prior to the log switch.

It might be useful to know how to restore the database ... that's just
something I saw written on a toilet stall wall.  It seems reasonable.  (...
He who reads these words of wit, eats those little balls of ... )  I think
the subject is probably more extensive than can be covered in a simple
e-mail; so I won't try to cover it all.  But, in it's simplest form, a
recovery looks like:

If the last rman backup has been deleted from /where/it/goes, restore those
files from tape.

startup mount the database (assuming the control file is NOT the thing you
are restoring)

rman nocatalog
connect target sys/qwerty@DBNAME
allocate channel ch1 type disk;
restore database;
restore archivelog all;
recover database;
release channel ch1;

open the database.

See, rman isn't so bad.  It's biggest problem is that, if you start to like
it, then it can lead to other things such as liking vi, growing a beard, and
wearing suspenders.

(Obviously, I have a rare day here where I don't have a lot to do.  Hence,
the verbose reply.)


 -Original Message-
 Could somebody help me here, this is very critical to be running
 production without proper backups .!
 
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Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Post, Ethan
Just had a thought here, have not tried it yet.  I have a database that I am
working with that is generating 28 GB of redo each day.  I would really like
to know what objects are generating all this redo without going through the
hassle of mining a bunch of log files.  It occurred to me that if table
monitoring is active and my stats are up to date I should be able to
multiply the total number of updates, inserts and commits by the average row
size and get a rough % of what objects are generating the most redo.  

I am sure there are a number of other factors I need to consider, any ideas
what they are?

* Should I weight inserts, updates and deletes?
* ??

The goal is to identify the objects, then identify the jobs that work on
those objects and see if I can reduce redo.  I suspect a lot of this redo is
being generated because of some poor design issues.

Thanks!

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RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Ethan - 28-gig GAAAK!
  Ideas:
 1. Sample your SQL buffer to start getting some ideas.
 2. Use LogMiner to read some of the archive logs to see the DML
statements. You can also directly see how much redo is being generated by
each statement.
I think you have the right idea, probably some inefficient updates.

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Just had a thought here, have not tried it yet.  I have a database that I am
working with that is generating 28 GB of redo each day.  I would really like
to know what objects are generating all this redo without going through the
hassle of mining a bunch of log files.  It occurred to me that if table
monitoring is active and my stats are up to date I should be able to
multiply the total number of updates, inserts and commits by the average row
size and get a rough % of what objects are generating the most redo.  

I am sure there are a number of other factors I need to consider, any ideas
what they are?

* Should I weight inserts, updates and deletes?
* ??

The goal is to identify the objects, then identify the jobs that work on
those objects and see if I can reduce redo.  I suspect a lot of this redo is
being generated because of some poor design issues.

Thanks!

- Ethan
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Re: Oracle 9i hanging when linking during install !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Arup Nanda
Jackson,

I can't say it for HP-UX, but in Tru64 Unix, a cousin-in-law of HP-UX, the
error can occur if the ulimit is set too low. Check MetaLink Note 166350.1
for information on how to check and set the ulimit.

HTH.

Arup Nanda

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 Hi All

 We are having this major problem when we  are trying to install Oracle
 9i software on HP-Unix 11. It just hangs when it's linking, please
 help as we need to upgrade our production databases to 9i.

 Check here :

 Installing oracle 920. On linking getting the ff error :
 Error in invoking ioracle of makefile
 /$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk.

 I have checked on
 metalink and seen a suggestion of increasing swap space.My swap space
 is currently 6Gb. Pls assist.


 $ make -f $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk ioracle

  - Linking Oracle
 rm -f /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle
  cc   -Wl,+s -Wl,+n +DA2.0W +DS2.0 -o
 /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/oracle -L/opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/
 -L/opt/oracle/92
 0/lib/  `if /usr/bin/getconf KERNEL_BITS | grep 64  /dev/null ; \
 then echo -Wl,+pi 64M -Wl,+pd L -Wl,+padtext 16M -Wl,+paddata
 1M ; \
 else echo  ; fi` -Wl,-PF,linkorderfile
 -Wl,+Ostaticprediction +O2 +Omultiprocessor +Oentrysched +Onolimit
 +ESlit +
 Olibcalls /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/opimai.o
 /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ssoraed.o /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/ttcsoi.o
  /opt/or
 acle/920/lib/nautab.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naeet.o
 /opt/oracle/920/lib/naect.o /opt/oracle/920/lib/naedhs.o
 /opt/oracle/920/r
 dbms/lib/config.o  -lserver9 -lodm9  -lskgxp9 -lskgxn9 -lclient9
 -lvsn9 -lwtcserver9  -lcommon9 -lgeneric9 /opt/oracle/920/
 rdbms/lib/defopt.o  -lknlopt `if ar tv
 /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a | grep xsyeolap.o  /dev/null
 21 ; then echo
 -loraolap9 ; fi`  -lslax9 -lpls9  -lplp9   -ljox9  -lwwg9  `cat
 /opt/oracle/920/lib/ldflags`-lnsslb9 -lncrypt9 -lnsgr9
  -lnzjs9 -ln9 -lnl9 -lnro9 -lmm -lnls9  -lcore9  -lxml9 -lunls9
 -ltrace9  `if ar tv /opt/oracle/920/rdbms/lib/libknlopt.a
 | grep kxmnsd.o  /dev/null 21 ; then echo   ; else echo
 -lordsdo9; fi` -lctxc9 -lctx9 -lzx9 -lgx9 -lordimt9  -lsnls
 9   `cat /opt/oracle/920/lib/sysliblist`  -lm   `if ar t
 /opt/oracle/920/lib/libskgxp9.a | grep '^'skcsi.o  /dev/null 21
 ; then echo /opt/clic/lib/pa20_64/libclic_csi.a;fi`
 /opt/oracle/920/lib/libocijdbc9.a -lxsd9 -lcres
 Out of Memory.
 *** Error exit code 12

 Stop.

 Total VM : 735.2mb   Sys Mem  : 354.9mb   User Mem:  1.99gb   Phys
 Mem:  6.00gb
 Active VM: 301.1mb   Buf Cache:  3.00gb   Free Mem: 674.4mb

 ld: (Warning) Can't open the fdp output file linkorderfile

 Pid 27501 received a SIGSEGV for stack growth failure.
 Possible causes: insufficient memory or swap space,
 or stack size exceeded maxssiz.
 cc: error 1405: /usr/ccs/bin/ld terminated abnormally with signal
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RE: ORA-02046

2003-02-21 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
check dba_2pc_pending, there may be entries in there.

Oracle follows the 2-phase commit method when queries are submitted from
stored programming units, it is default behaviour that cannot be changed.

We ran into this with a Web application that was doing remote querying, and
Oracle said the only workaround for queries is issue a set transaction read
only before the query is submitted.

(though maybe this isn't the problem at all for your situation... )

HTH
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If on UNIX, running the oerr utility can be helpful to quickly find a bit
more information about ORA errors: (I do not know, what's available on
Windows). 

df2hp105 [oracle] = oerr ora 2046
02046, 0, distributed transaction already begun
// *Cause: internal error or error in external transaction manager.
// A server session received a begin_tran RPC before finishing
// with a previous distributed tran.

Check if there are any trace files generated to find any clues, else, open
an iTAR (??). 

- Kirti 

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I'm getting the following error  while trying to select from table using
dblink:
ORA-02046 distributed transaction already begun 


Thanks
Manoj

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FW: need to compare long data against varchar2

2003-02-21 Thread Markham, Richard
Title: FW: need to compare long data against varchar2





This worked for me. I got the getlong code from a post by ORACLEtune on expertsexchange.


select object_name
from dba_objects 
where object_id in (select obj# 
 from sys.view$ 
 where getlong('sys.view$','text',rowid) like '%table_name%')


~~
create or replace function getlong( p_tname in varchar2,
 p_cname in varchar2,
 p_rowid in rowid ) return varchar2
 as
 l_cursor integer default dbms_sql.open_cursor;
 l_n number;
 l_long_val varchar2(4000);
 l_long_len number;
 l_buflen number := 4000;
 l_curpos number := 0;
 begin
 dbms_sql.parse( l_cursor,
 'select ' || p_cname || ' from ' || p_tname ||
 ' where rowid = :x',
 dbms_sql.native );
 dbms_sql.bind_variable( l_cursor, ':x', p_rowid );
 
 dbms_sql.define_column_long(l_cursor, 1);
 l_n := dbms_sql.execute(l_cursor);
 
 if (dbms_sql.fetch_rows(l_cursor)0)
 then
 dbms_sql.column_value_long(l_cursor, 1, l_buflen, l_curpos ,
 l_long_val, l_long_len );
 end if;
 dbms_sql.close_cursor(l_cursor);
 return l_long_val;
end getlong;


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From: Markham, Richard 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:20 AM
To: oracle-l ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: need to compare long data against varchar2



I need to devise a method of comparing the TEXT column of dba_views against varchar2. End result I want to find the views that reference a particular table within its text.

example (which ~obviously~ will not work):
select view_name
from dba_views
where text like '%table_name%


I understand that a query or PL/SQL procedure of this sort would be long running, but getting the concept to work would be a start.

TIA





Re: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Igor Neyman
Add me to the count.
Though, I was making rubles not $$$ using it -:)

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 FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even heard of it, much less
 actually made $$$ using it

 Rick Weiss

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 Assembler.


 On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter wrote:
  I wonder if I can throw in a further caveat to the choices people
  would make?
 
  If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a
  program or application in which you wished to conceal your
  intellectual property, which would you use?
 
  peter
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  On top of learning Oracle, which programming languages would also
  benefit some1 learning Oracle?  Perl? Java?  How would these languages
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[Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??

2003-02-21 Thread dist cash

I heard from ORACLe sales person the ORACLE 9ir2 RAC come with ORACLE
cluster and we don't need SUN cluster.  I don't know is it true or NOT?
anyone implement that?

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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Grant Allen
 Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my 
 contribution
 :-).  PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
 not interesting.  Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
 include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
 code to them.  What we should do is mount an Open Source project to
 embed Perl and TCL into Python so that we could create one large
 abomination in which any syntax or facility that pleases us could be
 used.  Concealing your intellectual property would be simple.  Write
 whatever suites you at the time, no one, not even you, will be able to
 figure out what you wrote after you've been away for it a week.

A week?  All I need is a night at the pub to make my code unreadable ...

(mmm, maybe I shouldn't have admitted that in public :-) )

Ciao
Fuzzy
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Re: need to compare long data against varchar2

2003-02-21 Thread Jared Still

It wouldn't be too difficult to craft a solution using the to_lob
function, global temporary tables and the owa_pattern package.

Read the docs on to_lob, and you'll see that it's functionality
is limited to use with inserts, hence the use of the global temporary
table, though not strictly necessary.  A regular table would work
as well.

Jared

On Friday 21 February 2003 07:19, Markham, Richard wrote:
 I need to devise a method of comparing the TEXT column of dba_views against
 varchar2.
 End result I want to find the views that reference a particular table
 within its text.

 example (which ~obviously~ will not work):
 select view_name
 from dba_views
 where text like '%table_name%

 I understand that a query or PL/SQL procedure of this sort would be long
 running, but
 getting the concept to work would be a start.

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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Robson, Peter
Yeah Yeah Yeah !

peter
.


FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even heard of it, much less
actually made $$$ using it

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Assembler.


On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter wrote:
 I wonder if I can throw in a further caveat to the choices people 
 would make?

 If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a 
 program or application in which you wished to conceal your 
 intellectual property, which would you use?

 peter
 edinburgh

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 On top of learning Oracle, which programming languages would also 
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AW: Endianness using External Tables

2003-02-21 Thread Stefan Jahnke
Title: RE: Endianness using External Tables



It's 
pretty inconsistent. Using just "DATA IS BIG ENDIAN" and "BYTEORDERMARK 
NOCHECK", it usually doesnn't work, but I also got cases, where it actually did 
work. The DDL scripts are generated and the data looks the same. 

I used 
SQL*LOADER now and it works. I guess we will raise a tar and before that isn't 
completely solved, we'll just go with loader again.

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  Did you try changing the characterset to 
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Hi 
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Yes, I tried to do the same on a Windows PC today, 
but the results are the same (wrong byte order).
Any other ideas ? I already reached the point, 
where I wrote a function, that converts the wrong integers back to hex and 
these back to the correct integer. 
Shouldn't be the way to go.

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  Stefan, 
  Just as a test, have you tried this to a different OS 
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Autoextend on Oracle 7.3.4.5.0

2003-02-21 Thread Sam Bootsma








We are running Oracle 7.3.4.5.0 on an IBM/AIX RISC
System/6000: Version 2.3.4.0.0. 



I know there is SQL that allows setting a data file to auto
extend. I am trying to find out where in the data dictionary you can find
out whether a data file is set to auto-extend or not. In later versions
of Oracle (8, 8i, 9i) there is an autoextensible column in dba_data_files that
provides this information. However, this column does not exist on Oracle
7.3.4:



SQL desc dba_data_files

Name
Null? Type

---  

FILE_NAME
VARCHAR2(257)

FILE_ID
NUMBER

TABLESPACE_NAME
VARCHAR2(30)

BYTES
NUMBER

BLOCKS
NUMBER

STATUS
VARCHAR2(9)



SQL



Can anybody tell me how I can determine (from the data dictionary,
not by experimenting) whether an Oracle 7.3.4 data file is set to auto-extend?



Thank-you,



SB








RE: RMAN gui...in OEM 9.x i

2003-02-21 Thread Lyndon Tiu
RMAN is cool. Especially in 9i since everything is automated, as in
channel allocation and such.

RMAN in 8i was a bit painfull since a couple of steps were manually
necessary.

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Re: Automatic Segment Space Management

2003-02-21 Thread Jonathan Lewis

It's interesting you should mention the
'select for update' in this context.

I'm still working on a puzzle where
I do:

create table t1 (n1 number);
insert into t1 values (0);
insert into t1 values(1);
commit;

select rowid from t1 where n1 = 0;


for i in 1..1000 loop
update t1 set n1 = n1 + 1
where n1  = i;
end loop;-- updates the '1' row 1,000 times.
/

Now, without committing - start another session
that does:
select n1 from t1
where rowid = '{value seen above for n1 = 0}
for update;


Repeat the experiment, but the second time do:
update t1
set n1 = 99
where rowid = '{value seen above for n1 = 0};


Why does one of these statements to 1000
CR gets, whilst the other does none ?  How
different are they - they both put an ITL entry
on the block, and change the row content -
they both need to be able to lock the row.

I think this may have some bearing on your
'large number of CR reads' - I too have seen
sites where the numbers got very large (in
part because the CR limit doesn't seem to
be considered if there are free blocks (state = 0)
around to be used).  But if the code does
'select for update, update' - then it takes a
long time to make a CR copy in a busy
enviornment, so if concurrency is high on
that block, then I guess the evolving (or
is that devolving) CR block is pinned for
a long time - allowing lots more CR blocks
to be created.


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Stephan just passed this on to me...

Cary,

I really must subscribe to this mail list, but until I do, maybe you
can
pass this on.

You are correct, the _db_block_max_cr_dba parameter is just a guide.
I
believe that when needing to create a new CR copy and this limit has
been reached Oracle tries to place any older CR buffers (not sure if
it
does all of them or oldest found) to the cold end of the LRU ready to
leave the cache at the next possible opportunity. If the buffer has
any
users or waiters (can be seen in x$bh), then the CR buffer will
remain
in cache until next time. When a new CR buffer is created, and an
older
CR buffer no longer has users or waiters, it should be aged out of
the
cache as soon as possible.

I hope this helps,
Stephan



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Anjo personally saved my bacon when I was at a site in Dallas with
this problem. This particular problem was a vendor application ported
from Sybase and thus used select from blah_id for update; update
blah;
commit; instead of Oracle sequences. These guys had 1,200+ CR copies
of
each little 1-row-1-column id table in their system. In the end, the
vendor repaired its app to use sequence numbers (within the week,
actually!), and the problem which had caused daily shutdown/restarts
ended instantly. The 42 patch, as it was called at the time, would
have helped reduce the severity of the problem, but it wouldn't have
solved it.

I was pretty proud of myself when the engagement was done, but a
monkey
could have probably executed my part in the project if the monkey had
known how to call Anjo.


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The _db_block_max_cr_dba parameter was put in to fix this problem
with
massive
number of CR copies (segment header blocks mostly). I remember seeing
a
test
case that had 1500+ CR copies of the segment header block. So the fix
was to
limit the number of CR copies. The parameter _db_block_max_cr_dba had
initially a default value of 42 (really). And worked perfectly, but
it
was
brok in Parallel Server, the reason for it not working was very
funny.

While scanning the hash chain for the right (tsn, rdba) the CR code
may
already stop if it finds the best fit and never scan all the buffers
and

there it can't enforce the limit of 6. Another reason could be that
the
buffers are pinned (in use), but they should be flushed out later if
the
same
buffer hash chain is scanned again for the (tsn, rdba).

In version8 I have seen a particular test case with over 60+ CR
copies
of a
index root block (running many processes doing 

Re: Oracle unauthenticated remote system compromise (

2003-02-21 Thread Ray Stell
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 06:43:48AM -0800, Joan Hsieh wrote:
 Hi Kirti,
 
 We are on v8.1.7.2 32-bit on IBM 4.3.3. I am not sure should we have to
 apply the 8.1.7.4 patch? Sometimes just read the note is very confusing,
 so just apply this patch to upgrade to 8.1.7.4?



Frankly, I don't think it matters what version you run.  If Oracle support
is inadequate what difference does it make if you run supported or not?

1. 8.1.7.4 is a supported product, but there will be no fully tested 
   patchset for the product (tar 2917445.999).  You have to apply the 
   one-off patches, the ones they suggest you not apply (Doc ID: 189489.1).

Read: 8i isn't supported anymore in practice.

2. I opened a tar last week asking if the patches for alerts # 48-51
   would be included in the 9.2.0.3 patchset.  Still no answer, still
   no patchset.  

Read: Your last line of defense has moved out from Oracle software to 
  the firewall.  

Skip Oracle support and verify your firewalls are functioning well.
Install host based firewalls such as iptables or ipfilters.  Sun
has something called Sunscreen.  This should be done whether Oracle
figures out their mess or not.






 Joan
 
 Deshpande, Kirti wrote:
  
  Hello All,
  If anyone successfully applied this patch (for Alert #51) to 8.1.7.4 32-bit on 
HP-UX 11.0, please let me know. It seems that the patch is not able to find a couple 
of required lib files. Nothing found on the Metalink of any help... (I will log an 
iTAR soon).
  
  No problem on AIX, though.
  
  Thanks.
  
  - Kirti
  
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  Subject:Oracle unauthenticated remote system compromise 
(#NISR16022003a)
  
  NGSSoftware Insight Security Research Advisory
  
  Name:Oracle unauthenticated remote system compromise
  Systems Affected:  All platforms; Oracle9i Database Release 2, 9i Release
  1,
  8i, 8.1.7, 8.0.6
  Severity:  Critical Risk
  Category:   Remote System Buffer Overrun
  Vendor URL:   http://www.oracle.com
  Author:   Mark Litchfield ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Date:   16th February 2003
  Advisory number: #NISR16022003a
  
  Description
  ***
  Oracle is the leader in the database market with a 54% market share lead
  under ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning). The database server is
  vulnerable
  to a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability. What exacerbates
  this problem is that no valid User ID or password is required by an
  attacker.
  
  Details
  ***
  There is a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the
  authentication process with the Oracle Database Server.  By supplying an
  overly long username when attempting to log onto the database server an
  attacker can overflow a stack based buffer overwriting the saved return
  address.  Any arbitrary code supplied by an attacker would execute with
  the
  same privileges as the user running the service; this account is typically
  Oracle on linux/unix based platforms and Local System on Windows based
  operating systems such as NT/2000/XP. As such this allows for a complete
  compromise of the data stored in the database and possibly a complete
  compromise of the operating system.  As most client applications for
  Oracle
  will tuncate the length of the username that can be supplied to the
  database
  an attacker would need to write their own Oracle Authenticator to
  exploit
  this issue. That said, NGSSoftware has found one client application that
  will allow longer usernames so to test if you are vulnerable to this
  issue,
  use the LOADPSP utility usually found in bin directory found under the
  OracleHomeInstallDirectory. On Windows, for example, run:
  
  C:\ora9ias\BINloadpsp -name -user LONGUSERNAME/tiger@iasdb myfile
  
  Fix Information
  ***
  NGSSoftware alerted Oracle to this vulnerability on 30th September 2002.
  Oracle has reviewed the code and created a patch which is available from:
  
  http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert51.pdf
  
  NGSSoftware advise Oracle database customers to review and install the
  patch
  as a matter of urgency.
  
  A check for these issues has been added to NGSSQuirreL for Oracle, a
  comprehensive automated vulnerability assessment tool 

Re: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

The simpler approach is to check the user level redo (or session level
redo) using the v$sysstat,sesstat views and you can find the programmes
associated with those huge (!) redo.

Dumping the redologs and analyzing is just complex when you have a
simple solution ;)




=
Have a nice day !!

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan,
Bangalore, INDIA.
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RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Stephen Lee

It might work to turn on monitoring on the tables.

alter table xyz monitoring;

Then periodically check dba_tab_modifications.

 -Original Message-
 The goal is to identify the objects, then identify the jobs 
 that work on
 those objects and see if I can reduce redo.  I suspect a lot 
 of this redo is
 being generated because of some poor design issues.
 
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Re: How do you calcuate the temp space needed for view?

2003-02-21 Thread Daniel W. Fink
There are 2 issues here. First the error. What version of Oracle are you 
using? Is the TEMP tablespace set up as TEMPORARY? What block size are 
you using (impacts max extents on older versions of Oracle)? If you are 
not the only user on the system, you must also account for other sorts 
that are occuring at the same time.

Second, the calculation. The calculation you put forward would be 
reasonably accurate if you were performing a cartesian product. In the 
case of the view, how many rows match the criteria. If each table has 
1,000,000 rows and the average row length is 1k, then each table 
consumes roughly 1,024,000,000 bytes. If we plug this into your formula..
(1024 * 100) * (1024 * 100) = 102400 * 102400 = 
1048576 or 931 petabytes (1024 gig = 1 petabyte). (Note to 
self, buy EMC stock).

A more accurate method would be to determine how many records will be 
returned by the query (each table can be queried independently).  For 
each record in table1(parent), how many records will be returned in 
table2(child)? Get an average, say that for each record in table1, an 
average of 2 records in table2 will be returned. At this point you need 
to reverse the numbers for the calculation. Why? Each child will 
'attach' to its own copy of the parent record. So, take the size of 
table2 (# of rows * row length) and add it to the size of table1 (# of 
rows * row length) * the average number of children.

This calculation is not exact and does not account for overhead, hwm, 
etc. But I have used it in some data warehousing systems (back when disk 
was not so cheap) and it worked out reasonably well.

Dan Fink

CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC) wrote:

Hi Gurus,

I issue the following command select count(*) from view1 and encounter the following error ORA-01630: max # extents (121) reached in temp segment in tablespace TEMP.  I think I need to increase the tablespace TEMP  but how do I calculate the temporary space needed ? 

Assuming view1 is select * from table1, table2 where table1.Col1=table2.Col1
Is the temporary space needed = (table 1 row-length * table 1 total number of rows ) * (table 2 row-length * table 2 total number of rows ) ?

Any advice ? Thanks.

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Name Server questions

2003-02-21 Thread Rick_Cale
Hi DBAs,

Oracle 8.1.6 WinNT
I am trying to understand how Oracle Names is configured.  We have a Oracle
Names database on server 1.
We also have 2 other oraclenames services on server 2 and 3.  I understand
how server 1 was created and works.
What I do not understand is the services on server 2 and 3. How they got
created,etc.  Server 2 and 3 are in the
sqlnet.ora file.  My question is what oracle utility is used to create
those services and how they are configured to work with
the database on server 1?

Thanks
Rick


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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 088130)
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier





I much pefer Oberon or Scheme.



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 If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a 
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RE: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??

2003-02-21 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
Title: RE: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??





oops.. Just talked with the good old Veritas/Sun boys
the software would need to be there to handle and configure the inter-connoect:-)


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news to me... Just had a conversation with several folks yesterday.. The requirements that we have been told are:
1. File systems-use veritas Cluster manager
2. Raw Devices - Gotta use the SUN Cluster 3.x


So I assume these guys would be on top of it since the mtg we had was this past week.. Our POC was with Veritas; and the options for implementation are listed above...

Hope this helps-and please, if you have confirmation otherwise-it would be very interesting info to obtain.


Thanks!
Greg


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I heard from ORACLe sales person the ORACLE 9ir2 RAC come with ORACLE
cluster and we don't need SUN cluster. I don't know is it true or NOT?
anyone implement that?


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RE: Oracle unauthenticated remote system compromise (

2003-02-21 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
Joan,
 You may want to log in an iTAR to find out if this patch can be applied to 8.1.7.2. 
The note said it was for 8.1.7.4 and I have been applying it to only 8.1.7.4 software 
on our servers. Other lower versions of 8.1.7.x are not patched, as we are upgrading 
those databases to 8.1.7.4.

HTH,

Regards,

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Hi Kirti,

We are on v8.1.7.2 32-bit on IBM 4.3.3. I am not sure should we have to
apply the 8.1.7.4 patch? Sometimes just read the note is very confusing,
so just apply this patch to upgrade to 8.1.7.4?

Joan

Deshpande, Kirti wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 If anyone successfully applied this patch (for Alert #51) to 8.1.7.4 32-bit on HP-UX 
11.0, please let me know. It seems that the patch is not able to find a couple of 
required lib files. Nothing found on the Metalink of any help... (I will log an iTAR 
soon).
 
 No problem on AIX, though.
 
 Thanks.
 
 - Kirti
 
 

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Re: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Jonathan Lewis

Which version of Oracle ?

Has someone switched on supplemental logging
at the database level, perhaps ?

Have you got dbms_job kicking in every 5 seconds
with job_queues set to 10 ?  (Honest, I have seen
it happen, and the effect on redo was astonishing -
and there was only one job actually ever available
to run).

Does the application use lots of transient tables
which it fills and then deletes  /  rolls back.

Is the volume of redo very much larger than
the volume of UNDO, as this may indicate
table creation, index rebuilds, mass inserts
rather than update activity (which would tend
to leave the redo in the ballpark of double the
undo).

Are there any files with an extreme number
of writes (other than temporary tablespace  files
of course) - as you might want to track the
objects in those files rather than trying to
monitor the whole database.

Are there any files with lots of multiblock
writes - (apart from temp) as this tends
to indicate table moves, index rebuilds,
as well as direct mode inserts.


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Just had a thought here, have not tried it yet.  I have a database
that I am
working with that is generating 28 GB of redo each day.  I would
really like
to know what objects are generating all this redo without going
through the
hassle of mining a bunch of log files.  It occurred to me that if
table
monitoring is active and my stats are up to date I should be able to
multiply the total number of updates, inserts and commits by the
average row
size and get a rough % of what objects are generating the most redo.

I am sure there are a number of other factors I need to consider, any
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RE: Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Charu Joshi
Darn!!

I had taken a hasty look at 'Oracle 8i reference', before posting the query.
Not my day today.

Thanks Allan.

Regards,

Charu

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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
itself?

Thanks  regards,
Charu

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RE: Autoextend on Oracle 7.3.4.5.0

2003-02-21 Thread Pete Sharman
Title: Message



IIRC, you needed FILE$ or FILEXT$ - something like that anyway (those 
brain cells are long gone, I'm afraid!)

Pete

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developers is like herding cats."
Kevin 
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no, it's not. It's much harder than 
that!"
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  ORACLE-LSubject: Autoextend on Oracle 
7.3.4.5.0
  
  We are running Oracle 7.3.4.5.0 on 
  an IBM/AIX RISC System/6000: Version 2.3.4.0.0. 
  
  I know there is SQL that allows 
  setting a data file to auto extend. I am trying to find out where in the 
  data dictionary you can find out whether a data file is set to auto-extend or 
  not. In later versions of Oracle (8, 8i, 9i) there is an autoextensible 
  column in dba_data_files that provides this information. However, this 
  column does not exist on Oracle 7.3.4:
  
  SQL desc 
  dba_data_files
  Name 
  Null? Type
  --- 
   
  FILE_NAME 
  VARCHAR2(257)
  FILE_ID 
  NUMBER
  TABLESPACE_NAME 
  VARCHAR2(30)
  BYTES 
  NUMBER
  BLOCKS 
  NUMBER
  STATUS 
  VARCHAR2(9)
  
  SQL
  
  Can anybody tell me how I can 
  determine (from the data dictionary, not by experimenting) whether an Oracle 
  7.3.4 data file is set to auto-extend?
  
  Thank-you,
  
  SB


AW: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

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On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter wrote:
 I wonder if I can throw in a further caveat to the choices people 
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 If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a 
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Re: Veritas Agent for Oracle / incremental backups vs. hot

2003-02-21 Thread Jared Still

You're welcome.

Since you're interested in that, Veritas can also backup
databases in the same way, though we don't have the
product for that.

Block level incrementals without RMAN.  Pretty cool
stuff if you ask me, provided recovery is as simple as it
is with RMAN.  They can work magic when they own the
filesystem.  ( vxfs )

Jared

On Friday 21 February 2003 05:29, Boivin, Patrice J wrote:
 that's it.

 Thanks Jared.

 Pat.

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 Not necessarily.  If you're backing up vxfs with Veritas Netbackup
 and also have someother component from Veritas that I can't recall
 at the moment, filesystem incrementals are made at the FS block level.

 You only backup new blocks, or blocks that have been touched.

 Jared

 On Wednesday 19 February 2003 12:09, Nelson, Allan wrote:
  Actually assuming you checkpoint or commit at least once between backups

 it

  would not make any difference at all.  An incremental backup catches
  changed files since the last backup which will typically be all your data
  files.  SCN's get updated in all headers if any thing changes.
 
  Allan
 
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  My manager asked me to assess how much smaller our backups would be if we
  were doing incremental backups of our database files, instead of the
  usual hot backups.
 
  We are running 8i on UNIX.
 
  I know that the answer is it depends and you can't really know 'till

 you

  try, but we are just looking for a ballpark figure, perhaps in
  percentages.
 
  Our databases are between OLTP and DSS, closer to DSS environment, this
  being a scientific site.
 
  Thanks.
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AIX question

2003-02-21 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: AIX question






AIX 4.3.3

Can anyone tell me if there's a command to determine what volumes/disks are on each controller? 


I'm way out of my element here but the SA for this system is scarce. 


Thanks for any suggestions, and have a great weekend everyone


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RE: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??

2003-02-21 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
Title: RE: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??





news to me... Just had a conversation with several folks yesterday.. The requirements that we have been told are:
1. File systems-use veritas Cluster manager
2. Raw Devices - Gotta use the SUN Cluster 3.x


So I assume these guys would be on top of it since the mtg we had was this past week.. Our POC was with Veritas; and the options for implementation are listed above...

Hope this helps-and please, if you have confirmation otherwise-it would be very interesting info to obtain.


Thanks!
Greg


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I heard from ORACLe sales person the ORACLE 9ir2 RAC come with ORACLE
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RE: Veritas Agent for Oracle / incremental backups vs. hot

2003-02-21 Thread Johnston, Tim
FYI...  I think BLIB is the tool you're thinking of...  It stands for Block
Level Incremental Backup...

Tim

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Not necessarily.  If you're backing up vxfs with Veritas Netbackup
and also have someother component from Veritas that I can't recall
at the moment, filesystem incrementals are made at the FS block level.

You only backup new blocks, or blocks that have been touched.

Jared

On Wednesday 19 February 2003 12:09, Nelson, Allan wrote:
 Actually assuming you checkpoint or commit at least once between backups
it
 would not make any difference at all.  An incremental backup catches
 changed files since the last backup which will typically be all your data
 files.  SCN's get updated in all headers if any thing changes.

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 My manager asked me to assess how much smaller our backups would be if we
 were doing incremental backups of our database files, instead of the usual
 hot backups.

 We are running 8i on UNIX.

 I know that the answer is it depends and you can't really know 'till
you
 try, but we are just looking for a ballpark figure, perhaps in
 percentages.

 Our databases are between OLTP and DSS, closer to DSS environment, this
 being a scientific site.

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RE: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??

2003-02-21 Thread Molina, Gerardo
I believe this is true for Linux platform only.

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I heard from ORACLe sales person the ORACLE 9ir2 RAC come with ORACLE
cluster and we don't need SUN cluster.  I don't know is it true or NOT?
anyone implement that?

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RE: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??

2003-02-21 Thread Pete Sharman
Whoever told you that must have been on some new form of drug.

RAC runs on top of cluster software from the vendors.  The cluster needs
to be working before you can install RAC.  How you do that without the
OS cluster software is beyond me.

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Re: Snapshot Too Old Error on Export !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Bjrn Engsig




In addition to the other comments about export not being a backup, let me
add a few things.  Managing the trade off between many rollback segments
(good for oltp performance) and large rollback segments (necessary to avoid
1555) is often a tough one.  As somebody else said, you can optimize export
performance by doing direct path, but besides that, the time it takes to
export each individual table (that would be the entire export if consistent=yes)
must be smaller than the time it takes for any rollback segment to wrap (note,
this is not the WRAP column of v$rollstat, rather you should compare
the growth of the WRITES column with the RSSSIZE column).

If need an idea on a running system about how long the longest query can
be without running into 1555, the attached can be used.  It basically looks
at v$rollstat twice with 10 seconds between them, and estimates how many
hours it will take for the most rapidly used rollback segment to wrap.  On
a less busy system, you may want to modify the 10 seconds to something larger.

BTW, at a ct. I was working on, we had to go to 100 segments (due to OLTP
requirements) of 1GB each (due to requirements to allow 4-5 hour queries
to run without 1555 risk).  Yes, this is 100Gb of rollback:-)

/Bjørn.

Jackson Dumas wrote:

  Hi all

I have a problem when doing an export in one of ourt production
databases. The export fails with ORA-01555, snapshot too old error.

I have increased the number of rollback segments and their sizes on
the database. Also I have went to an extent of specifying the
parameter constent=n on my script but backups fails. The worst part is
this export runs for a long time and then fails, more than 24 hours.

The only time that this export succeed is over the weekend, because
most of the time few people are working or not at all. Now I have
tried to start it after hours but as I said it still takes long and
end up failing the next day.

Could somebody help me here, this is very critical to be running
production without proper backups .!

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rem before running this, do 
rem SQL create table temprollstat as select * from v$rollstat where 1=42
rem
variable  varchar2(100);
insert into temprollstat select * from v$rollstat
/
exec : := to_char(sysdate,'DD-MON- HH24:MI:SS');
prompt hang on, waiting 10s to inspect undo bytes written...
host sleep 10
select l.usn, t.writes - l.writes byteswritten,
to_char((sysdate-to_date(:,'DD-MON- HH24:MI:SS'))*24*t.rssize/( t.writes - l.wr
ites ), '99.9') hoursbeforewrap
from temprollstat l, v$rollstat t
where l.usn = t.usn
and   t.writes != l.writes
order by byteswritten
/
rollback
/



RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier





For some reason http://mindprod.com/unmain.html comes to my mind.


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 Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my 
 contribution
 :-). PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
 not interesting. Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
 include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
 code to them. What we should do is mount an Open Source project to
 embed Perl and TCL into Python so that we could create one large
 abomination in which any syntax or facility that pleases us could be
 used. Concealing your intellectual property would be simple. Write
 whatever suites you at the time, no one, not even you, will be able to
 figure out what you wrote after you've been away for it a week.


A week? All I need is a night at the pub to make my code unreadable ...


(mmm, maybe I shouldn't have admitted that in public :-) )


Ciao
Fuzzy
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RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread John Kanagaraj
Ethan,

 monitoring is active and my stats are up to date I should be able to
 multiply the total number of updates, inserts and commits by 
 the average row
 size and get a rough % of what objects are generating the most redo.  

Note that the amount of redo does not depend on the average row size. It
depends on the amount of _change_ (+ some overhead). This argument might
skew the situation towards a table that has a large row size but that does
not have that many updates...

 I am sure there are a number of other factors I need to 
 consider, any ideas
 what they are?
 * Should I weight inserts, updates and deletes?
 * ??
 
 The goal is to identify the objects, then identify the jobs 
 that work on
 those objects and see if I can reduce redo.  I suspect a lot 
 of this redo is
 being generated because of some poor design issues.

What you _do_ need to do is to use this SQL to detect the SIDs performing
redo:

select sid, name, value
from v$statname n, v$sesstat v
where v.statistic# = n.statistic#
and name like 'redo size'
and value  10
order by value desc

You can then look at V$OPEN_CURSORS for those SIDs...

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Re: need to compare long data against varchar2

2003-02-21 Thread Ferenc Mantfeld
Title: need to compare long data against varchar2



Mark

Not that I have an answer for you, but what about 
synonyms to tables / views being referenced ?
Ferenc MantfeldDreaming costs you nothing. Not dreaming costs you 
everything.

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  Subject: need to compare long data 
  against varchar2
  
  I need to devise a method of comparing the TEXT column of 
  dba_views against varchar2. End result I want to find 
  the views that reference a particular table within its text. 
  example (which ~obviously~ will not work): select view_name from dba_views 
  where text like '%table_name% 
  I understand that a query or PL/SQL procedure of this sort 
  would be long running, but getting the concept to work 
  would be a start. 
  TIA 


Re: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Les Ayudo
LOL
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  Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my 
  contribution
  :-).  PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
  not interesting.  Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
  include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
  code to them.  What we should do is mount an Open Source project to
  embed Perl and TCL into Python so that we could create one large
  abomination in which any syntax or facility that pleases us could be
  used.  Concealing your intellectual property would be simple.  Write
  whatever suites you at the time, no one, not even you, will be able to
  figure out what you wrote after you've been away for it a week.
 
 A week?  All I need is a night at the pub to make my code unreadable ...
 
 (mmm, maybe I shouldn't have admitted that in public :-) )
 
 Ciao
 Fuzzy
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RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Post, Ethan
So here are two takes at the problem, one takes a look at costly (in regards
to amount of redo) tables and the other indexes.  Note this is only a way to
guestimate this information.

select owner,
   table_name, 
   round((ratio_to_report(ttl) over ()) * 100, 1) as percent_ratio
  from (
select (m.inserts+m.deletes+m.updates)*t.avg_row_len ttl, 
   t.owner, 
   t.table_name 
  from dba_tables t,
   all_tab_modifications m
 where t.table_name=m.table_name
   and t.owner=m.table_owner
)
 order 
by 3 desc;

select owner,
   table_name, 
   round((ratio_to_report(ttl) over ()) * 100, 1) as percent_ratio
  from (
select count(*)*sum((m.inserts+m.deletes+m.updates)) ttl, 
   i.owner, 
   i.table_name 
  from all_indexes i,
   all_ind_columns c,
   all_tab_modifications m
 where i.index_name=c.index_name
   and i.table_name=c.table_name
   and i.owner=m.table_owner
   and i.table_name=m.table_name
 group
by i.owner, 
   i.table_name 
)
 order 
by 3 desc;
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RE: Replication

2003-02-21 Thread Ramon E. Estevez
Title: Message



Thks 
Arup, I'll let him know those points.

Tks



  
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  Is the MV set up for FAST REFRESH or 
  COMPLETE?
  
  If FAST REFRESH, check to see if the tablespace 
  of MV Log table, named MLOG$_tablename where tablename is the 
  first 20 characters of the table on which the log is based, has enough space 
  for the mlog$ to grow.
  
  If complete refresh, do it manually from command 
  line
  
  exec 
  DBMS_SNAPSHOT.REFRESH('tablename,'CF')
  
  and see what error message is given. A few things 
  come to my mind
  
  (1) not enough temp space for the sorting to 
  occur for he MV
  (2) not enough rollback segment 
  space.
  
  Either way, you will see the exact error it fails 
  on.
  
  HTH.
  
  Arup Nanda
  
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:19 
AM
Subject: Replication

I was asked of 
a problem in a friend's site about replication.

The 
problem.

They 
implemented replication using Materialized Views with an refresh update of 
ON DEMAND and some immediate. It works for some days and suddenly some 
MV stop replicating.

He has checked 
metalink, but can't open a TAR.

Is there any 
recommendation that you can give him to check.



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RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From





Ethan,


I think focusing on which transaction generates more redo will be more helpful than which object ... right?


Let me know if I didn't understand your question completely ... 
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Subject: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From



Just had a thought here, have not tried it yet. I have a database that I am
working with that is generating 28 GB of redo each day. I would really like
to know what objects are generating all this redo without going through the
hassle of mining a bunch of log files. It occurred to me that if table
monitoring is active and my stats are up to date I should be able to
multiply the total number of updates, inserts and commits by the average row
size and get a rough % of what objects are generating the most redo. 


I am sure there are a number of other factors I need to consider, any ideas
what they are?


* Should I weight inserts, updates and deletes?
* ??


The goal is to identify the objects, then identify the jobs that work on
those objects and see if I can reduce redo. I suspect a lot of this redo is
being generated because of some poor design issues.


Thanks!


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Re: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread M Rafiq
Indexes on such tables which has DML...

Regards
Rafiq








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Just had a thought here, have not tried it yet.  I have a database that I am
working with that is generating 28 GB of redo each day.  I would really like
to know what objects are generating all this redo without going through the
hassle of mining a bunch of log files.  It occurred to me that if table
monitoring is active and my stats are up to date I should be able to
multiply the total number of updates, inserts and commits by the average row
size and get a rough % of what objects are generating the most redo.

I am sure there are a number of other factors I need to consider, any ideas
what they are?

* Should I weight inserts, updates and deletes?
* ??

The goal is to identify the objects, then identify the jobs that work on
those objects and see if I can reduce redo.  I suspect a lot of this redo is
being generated because of some poor design issues.

Thanks!

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RE: Name Server questions

2003-02-21 Thread John Kanagaraj
Rick, 

NAMESCTL is your best friend here. Look up notes 113036.1 and 60535.1 on
Metalink (I have stopped referring to ML as MetaStink and MetaBlink!)

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 Hi DBAs,
 
 Oracle 8.1.6 WinNT
 I am trying to understand how Oracle Names is configured.  We 
 have a Oracle
 Names database on server 1.
 We also have 2 other oraclenames services on server 2 and 3.  
 I understand
 how server 1 was created and works.
 What I do not understand is the services on server 2 and 3. 
 How they got
 created,etc.  Server 2 and 3 are in the
 sqlnet.ora file.  My question is what oracle utility is used to create
 those services and how they are configured to work with
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Re: Autoextend on Oracle 7.3.4.5.0

2003-02-21 Thread Charlie_Mengler

select * from filext$;

AFAIK an entry here means  this file is now in auto-extend mode.

HTH  YMMV

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We are running Oracle 7.3.4.5.0 on an IBM/AIX RISC System/6000: Version
2.3.4.0.0.

I know there is SQL that allows setting a data file to auto extend.  I am
trying to find out where in the data dictionary you can find out whether a
data file is set to auto-extend or not.  In later versions of Oracle (8,
8i, 9i) there is an autoextensible column in dba_data_files that provides
this information.  However, this column does not exist on Oracle 7.3.4:

SQL desc dba_data_files
 NameNull?Type
 ---  
 FILE_NAMEVARCHAR2(257)
 FILE_ID  NUMBER
 TABLESPACE_NAME  VARCHAR2(30)
 BYTESNUMBER
 BLOCKS   NUMBER
 STATUS   VARCHAR2(9)

SQL

Can anybody tell me how I can determine (from the data dictionary, not by
experimenting) whether an Oracle 7.3.4 data file is set to auto-extend?

Thank-you,

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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Alex

I think thats the goal of .NET CLI. Write in anything ... mix and match.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Nelson, Allan wrote:

 Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my contribution
 :-).  PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
 not interesting.  Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
 include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
 code to them.  What we should do is mount an Open Source project to
 embed Perl and TCL into Python so that we could create one large
 abomination in which any syntax or facility that pleases us could be
 used.  Concealing your intellectual property would be simple.  Write
 whatever suites you at the time, no one, not even you, will be able to
 figure out what you wrote after you've been away for it a week.

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RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier

2003-02-21 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
Does Oracle have punch cards with their logo on them?

How do we order some?  We need some for our Fortran applications...

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FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even heard of it, much less
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Re: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??

2003-02-21 Thread Scott
Your Oracle sales person is incorrect. I would ask him
to see if he can actually prove it. 

Oracle provides clustering components for Linux and NT
only at this time. Oracle does provide a RACpatch for
SC2.2 and 3.0 with 9iR2 and that patch needs to be
installed after you install SC and before install RAC.

Hope this helps,

Scott


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 anyone implement that?
 
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Re: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Daniel W. Fink
Ethan,
   v$sess_io will provide a list of the sessions generating block 
changes and, therefore, redo. Link this back to v$session, etc. for the 
'offending' sessions, sql. I've used this several times with great 
success. Sometimes it was a data load, others it was bad sql.
   When you change a block (insert/update/delete), you also generate 
changes to indexes,  undo segments (1 change for each row and 1 change 
for each index affected) and perhaps the data dictionary for space 
management.

Dan Fink
Post, Ethan wrote:
Just had a thought here, have not tried it yet.  I have a database that I am
working with that is generating 28 GB of redo each day.  I would really like
to know what objects are generating all this redo without going through the
hassle of mining a bunch of log files.  It occurred to me that if table
monitoring is active and my stats are up to date I should be able to
multiply the total number of updates, inserts and commits by the average row
size and get a rough % of what objects are generating the most redo.  

I am sure there are a number of other factors I need to consider, any ideas
what they are?
* Should I weight inserts, updates and deletes?
* ??
The goal is to identify the objects, then identify the jobs that work on
those objects and see if I can reduce redo.  I suspect a lot of this redo is
being generated because of some poor design issues.
Thanks!

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RE: [Q] ORACLE 9iR2 RAC on SUN server no need for SUN Cluster??

2003-02-21 Thread Scott
Greg, Sorry to be picky but you can still use raw
Devices with Veritas DBE/AC 3.5 if you don't want to
use thier CFS.

If you use SC then your only choice is raw and you
probably will need Veritas to manage you LVM's anyway.

Scott


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 folks yesterday.. The
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 1. File systems-use veritas Cluster manager
 2. Raw Devices - Gotta use the SUN Cluster 3.x
 
 So I assume these guys would be on top of it since
 the mtg we had was this
 past week.. Our POC was with Veritas; and the
 options for implementation are
 listed above...
 
 Hope this helps-and please, if you have confirmation
 otherwise-it would be
 very interesting info to obtain.
 
 Thanks!
 Greg
 
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RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Post, Ethan
Yes, that is what I was saying, however large rows or tables with a lot of
indexes would also be prone to generate more redo, that is why I suggest
joining DBA_TAB_MODIFICATIONS to DBA_TABLES to get avg_row_len and
DBA_IND_COLUMNS to get the total # of columns indexes on the table, the
thought being the more columns the more likley updates, inserts and deletes
will cause index generated redo.  See my other post for the solution (SQL) I
came up with.

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It might work to turn on monitoring on the tables.

alter table xyz monitoring;

Then periodically check dba_tab_modifications.

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RE: Snapshot Too Old Error on Export !!!

2003-02-21 Thread Sunil_Nookala
Stephen,

My understanding is having consistent=y uses no rollback, since the changes
occurring
during the export are not being captured in the export dump.

on few occasions i've still got the spurious ora-1555(snap shot too
old)error on exporting a 80GB highly
transactional database which terminates the export.
am i thinking wrong?? help!!

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I would echo a previous post that you can't backup a database with the
export utility.  I suspect you get your error because you are using
consistent=y in the export.  The database is trying to give you data as of
the time you started the export.  The fact that you are getting the snapshot
too old message is evidence that the data is changing while you are
exporting -- to the extent that the database is eventually unable to keep
doing it -- but these data changes will not be in the export file.

A genuine backup using rman or the old alter tablespace begin backup method
is the only proper backup.

If you are trying to get production data to move into a test/development
database schema, then export is certainly the most convenient way of doing
it.  If you are, in fact, trying to backup the database, here is something
to get you started.

If the filesystem to which your export file is going is big enough, consider
using that filesystem to store a database backup instead of an export.
Assuming it is /where/it/goes, try the following:

Make sure sys (or system, if you prefer) has been granted sysdba in the
database.
Create two files with text similar to the following:

for file named backup_database.rcv:
-- snip -
run {
allocate channel ch1 type disk format '/where/it/goes/%U_DATA';
set command id to 'rman';
backup
   tag backup_db_full
   (database include current controlfile);
release channel ch1;
}
- snip --
This will backup the database.

for file named backup_arch.rcv
- snip 
run {
allocate channel ch1 type disk format '/where/it/goes/%U_ARCH';
set command id to 'rman';
change archivelog all crosscheck;
backup
   (archivelog all delete input);
backup ***This line and the next if you are duplexing archived logs***
   (archivelog like '/directory/where/duplexed/archivelogs/are/%' delete
input);
release channel ch1;
allocate channel ch1 type disk format '/where/it/goes/%U_CONTROL';
backup current controlfile tag='backup';
release channel ch1;
sql ALTER DATABASE BACKUP CONTROLFILE TO
''/where/it/goes/CONTROL_FILE.BAK'' REUSE;
}
 snip 
This will backup the archived logs and the control file.  Note that the last
command tells the database to make a physical copy of the control file.  The
reason for this is that rman has been writing backup info to the control
while the backup is running.  So you make a copy of it after the backup has
completed in case you lose all copies of your control files.  If your
database and all control files got completely blown away, you can copy the
control file copy back to where it was and start restoring.  You might note
that I backup the control file ... and back it up ... and back it up.
That's just paranoia.  You can put the whole thing into one file.  The
reason for having them separate is in case you need to free up space in the
archive_log_dest by backing up just the archived logs.

To run a backup, type in the following commands:

rman nocatalog
connect target sys/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
backup_database.rcv
backup_arch.rcv
exit

Now, make sure you backup /where/it/goes directory to tape with whatever
operating system backup utility you are using.

One thing that can be added, if you want to be extra thorough, is to put in
a log switch followed by an archive log current, after you run the
archivelog backup.  Then you run ANOTHER archivelog backup.  In the world of
Murphy's Law, you do it this way because your archive_log_dest will, some
day, at the worst possible time, be unable to accommodate a log switch and
archive log current.  So you clean it out first prior to the log switch.

It might be useful to know how to restore the database ... that's just
something I saw written on a toilet stall wall.  It seems reasonable.  (...
He who reads these words of wit, eats those little balls of ... )  I think
the subject is probably more extensive than can be covered in a simple
e-mail; so I won't try to cover it all.  But, in it's simplest form, a
recovery looks like:

If the last rman backup has been deleted from /where/it/goes, restore those
files from tape.

startup mount the database (assuming the control file is NOT the thing you
are restoring)

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restore database;
restore archivelog all;
recover database;
release channel ch1;

open the database.

See, rman isn't so bad.  It's biggest problem is that, if you 

Re: need to compare long data against varchar2

2003-02-21 Thread Chaim . Katz

richard,

select  name
from user_dependencies
where referenced_name = table_name
and type = view

chaim




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Not that I have an answer for you, but what about  synonyms to tables /
views being referenced ?

Ferenc Mantfeld
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I need to devise a method of comparing the TEXT column of  dba_views
against varchar2.
End result I want to find  the views that reference a particular table
within its text.

example (which ~obviously~ will not work):
select view_name
from dba_views
where text like '%table_name%

I understand that a query or PL/SQL procedure of this sort  would be long
running, but
getting the concept to work  would be a start.

TIA





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RE: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread Post, Ethan
Sure that is the way I would typically do it, but in this case I have an
application that is running 8000 batch processes per day, redo is very
consistent for most of the 24 hours.  I asked myself what is the simplest
way to figure out which objects likely generate all of this redo.
Monitoring sesstat is not going to be the most efficient and accurate method
in this case.  As it turns out the results (based on the SQL I posted) show
the F0911 (JDE Oneworld GL Ledger) table likely produces at least 70-80% of
the redo.  During the batch job tuning process I will focus on tuning jobs
that effect this table.  There are also a ridiculous # of indexes on this
table, over 120 columns involved in all of the indexes, I am sure many are
redundant.  Since redo log contention is one of the primary issues with this
database I should see some dramatic improvements once a few of the jobs are
tuned.

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Hi,

The simpler approach is to check the user level redo (or session level
redo) using the v$sysstat,sesstat views and you can find the programmes
associated with those huge (!) redo.

Dumping the redologs and analyzing is just complex when you have a
simple solution ;)




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Re: Autoextend on Oracle 7.3.4.5.0

2003-02-21 Thread Jared . Still
That feature is not available until 8.0 or 8i, forget which.

Jared





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We are running Oracle 7.3.4.5.0 on an IBM/AIX RISC System/6000: Version 
2.3.4.0.0. 
 
I know there is SQL that allows setting a data file to auto extend.  I am 
trying to find out where in the data dictionary you can find out whether a 
data file is set to auto-extend or not.  In later versions of Oracle (8, 
8i, 9i) there is an autoextensible column in dba_data_files that provides 
this information.  However, this column does not exist on Oracle 7.3.4:
 
SQL desc dba_data_files
 NameNull?Type
 ---  
 FILE_NAMEVARCHAR2(257)
 FILE_ID  NUMBER
 TABLESPACE_NAME  VARCHAR2(30)
 BYTESNUMBER
 BLOCKS   NUMBER
 STATUS   VARCHAR2(9)
 
SQL
 
Can anybody tell me how I can determine (from the data dictionary, not by 
experimenting) whether an Oracle 7.3.4 data file is set to auto-extend?
 
Thank-you,
 
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storing credit card numbers in a database

2003-02-21 Thread Chris Stephens
Title: storing credit card numbers in a database






I've been asked to find out a way to encrypt credit card numbers and store that encrypted string in the database. ...any oracle functions or functionality to do this? or would we have to encrypt the numbers in the application and then pass that string to the database?

We don't want anyone to be able to get to the numbers even if they have access to the table in which it is stored.


Thanks for any input
chris





RE: AIX question

2003-02-21 Thread Kevin Lange
Title: AIX question



Lisa;
 
Here is a set of 3 scripts that I used to map our disks on an IBM S70a with a 
large SSA Disk set that used the AIX Logical Disk Manager. You might be 
able to glean all the commands from the scripts  or just use them yourself 
if they work on your system. The get_info.sh script calls the procedure 
that the included sql script creates. A sample output is in the info.dat 
file.

Any 
questions, contact me off list .

Kevin



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  AIX question
  AIX 4.3.3 Can 
  anyone tell me if there's a command to determine what volumes/disks are on 
  each controller? 
  I'm way out of my element here but the SA for this 
  system is scarce. 
  Thanks for any suggestions, and have a great 
  weekend everyone 
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RE: RAC recomended books

2003-02-21 Thread John Sheraton
I believe that there is a RAC book in the works. I
don't know what the expected publish date is... I'll
contact the author and find out.

RF

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 Vladimir,
  
 The official manuals do a good job. Besides from
 that The O'Reilly Oracle Parallel Processing book is
 quite OK, but it repeats a lot of the info in the
 manuals. 
 There happens to be a book called: Tru64 Unix
 Oracle9i CLuster quick reference (Digital Press)
 written by Tim Donar. It does a good job on the
 Tru64 specifics: Advfs, LSM and SAN part. Check out
 James Morle's Scaling Oracle8i: although 8i, it also
 contains good OPS info applicable to 9i too. Also
 Steve Adam's Oracle Internals has a very good (very
 'dense', hard to read: it reads like there's enough
 info to fill a book crammed in 1 chapter..) part on
 OPS (7-8), but a lot is still very applicable.
  
 Again: don't miss the manuals..
  
 regards,
 Mario
 
  
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 What books are recomended reading for RAC? 
  
 Especially Tru64 based RAC?
  
 Beside paper books, are there any good web pages
 (beside metalink, of course) that are dealing with
 RAC?
  
 Thanks,
 Vladimir Barac
  
 
 

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Re: AIX question

2003-02-21 Thread Boyle Candi
And, though I'm not sure if you need root to run it, I remember smitty
was a wonderful little menu-driven tool for finding such information. 
And you hit a key combo that would show you the actual command for
future reference.  

You'll have to forgive the vagueness, it's been quite some time since I
had to use AIX. (Ah, the party we had when they took that RS6000 out of
here)

-Candi



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 Can anyone tell me if there's a command to determine what volumes/disks
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 I'm way out of my element here but the SA for this system is scarce. 
 
 Thanks for any suggestions, and have a great weekend everyone 
 
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RE: How do you calcuate the temp space needed for view?

2003-02-21 Thread M Rafiq
There is no set formula to assess temp table space for a given query. If 
your query resulting in Cartesian Join, even temp space of 8-10GB my be 
insufficient. As I have no 7.3.3.6 database available to test but you can 
check compatible parameter in your initSID.ora file. and set it to 7.3.3.6 
if different and try maxextents script. Clean shutdown and rebounce of 
database is required to change this param to come into effect.

What is your initial and next extent size? Are you creating new temp 
tablespace? Try initial and extent extent 10M or larger.
As your db_block_size is 2K,allowable maxextents are 121 if you are unable 
to make it maxextents.

Regards
Rafiq




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Hi Rafiq,

My database version is 7.3.3.6.0, so I cannot set the maxextents unlimited. 
I added another datafile and increase initial extent and next extent much 
larger for this tablespace. My user still encountered the error. I would 
like to know how much space is needed for selecting the view. Any advice ? 
TIA.

Regds,
New Bee
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		Your database having db_block_size 2K so max extents are 121. You may 
alter
		your temp tablespace by

alter tablespace temp default storage(maxextents unlimited); then
alter tablespace temp coalesce;
		and try your query. If space is not sufficient in temp ts then message 
will
		come with ORA-1652. In that case you have to increase size of temp
		tablespace by resizing extisting file or adding another datafile.

		HTH,

Regards
Rafiq






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		Hi Gurus,

I issue the following command select count(*) from view1 and encounter 
the
following error ORA-01630: max # extents (121) reached in temp 
segment in
tablespace TEMP.  I think I need to increase the tablespace TEMP  but 
how
do I calculate the temporary space needed ?
Assuming view1 is select * from table1, table2 where
table1.Col1=table2.Col1
Is the temporary space needed = (table 1 row-length * table 1 total 
number
of rows ) * (table 2 row-length * table 2 total number of rows ) ?
		Any advice ? Thanks.

Regds,
New Bee
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