RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
My assumption is that (everything else equal) *nix on a PC server is a superior technology, more performant, more stable. Unfortunately one has to know a lot more low level tech stuff to get into the *nix game than is the case with windows, and therefore *nix on a PC will remain to a large extent in the domain of high-skill-set purists and tech elites, not the mass market. On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. ... Right, and that is why 10 of millions of people have *nix and IBM mainframes at home on their desktops to do word processing and email. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Oh, I forgot to ask, have your major league people figured out how to get Exchange (aka SQL Server) working right yet? It can't be all *that* hard for major league people to figure out how to correctly implement some li'l ol' clickey clickey MS thingy like Exchange, right? :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. It's not a job for the faint hearted clickety click people. Name of the game is 99% uptime and it's only for the major league, and that means Unix and OS/390 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Eric, I've asked both you and Mladen to let this thread die. Mladen agreed, and has not made further replies to this thread. You however seem to get some gratification from annoying the hell out of everyone else. Please stop it now. I'm tired of dealing with it. I have many better things to do with my time than act as a referee. This forum is intended to be informational, educational, conversational and enjoyable, all while maintaining ties with what we all do for a living. At the moment, I'm not having any fun. It's easy enough to find stress in the world, and I and everyone else here don't care to volunteer for more. I've only booted two people off of this list since it's creation, please don't cause me to make it three. Jared Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/2002 02:03 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Oh, I forgot to ask, have your major league people figured out how to get Exchange (aka SQL Server) working right yet? It can't be all *that* hard for major league people to figure out how to correctly implement some li'l ol' clickey clickey MS thingy like Exchange, right? :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. It's not a job for the faint hearted clickety click people. Name of the game is 99% uptime and it's only for the major league, and that means Unix and OS/390 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Jared, Let the thread die? Are you daft, Mladen didn't let it die at all. Here is the message header from his mesage in which he continued to INTERFERE AND ATTEMPT TO DISRUPT with other people's legitimate conversation: === BEGIN === Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1-pr.snfc21.pbi.net) by sims4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for emopierc@sims-ms-daemon; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vm3-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.95]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by vm3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6UHOdbR225238 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:24:40 -0400 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA37796; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b71/bab) via UUCP id 004A629A; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:06:15 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:06:15 -0800 From: Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [209.68.248.164] X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Listserver: v1.0g, build 71; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman === END === I guess that certain types of people *will* get recourse on the list, and others won't? As far as I'm concerned your policy is incompetent (double standard), and I will be sending a complaint to Bruce and Fatcity that the once respectable, open, public list has become a haven for unix bigots. (feel free to unsubscribe me if you don't have the time to do a proper job running the list in a fair manner). regards, ep On 31 Jul 2002 at 9:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, I've asked both you and Mladen to let this thread die. Mladen agreed, and has not made further replies to this thread. You however seem to get some gratification from annoying the hell out of everyone else. Please stop it now. I'm tired of dealing with it. I have many better things to do with my time than act as a referee. This forum is intended to be informational, educational, conversational and enjoyable, all while maintaining ties with what we all do for a living. At the moment, I'm not having any fun. It's easy enough to find stress in the world, and I and everyone else here don't care to volunteer for more. I've only booted two people off of this list since it's creation, please don't cause me to make it three. Jared Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/2002 02:03 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Oh, I forgot to ask, have your major league people figured out how to get Exchange (aka SQL Server) working right yet? It can't be all *that* hard for major league people to figure out how to correctly implement some li'l ol' clickey clickey MS thingy like Exchange, right? :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. It's not a job for the faint hearted clickety click people. Name of the game is 99% uptime and it's only for the major league, and that means Unix and OS/390 ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Call me what you like, I really don't care. There are bigots on both sides of the MS/Unix fence. I happen to prefer unix, but tolerate both types of bigots, and even work with NT/Win2k extensively. What I don't tolerate well are tirades and name calling. 100% of email from folks reading this thread seem to agree. Bye. Jared This electronic message contains information which may be confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be used solely by the named recipient(s). If you are not a named recipient, any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately. Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/2002 10:56 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Jared, Let the thread die? Are you daft, Mladen didn't let it die at all. Here is the message header from his mesage in which he continued to INTERFERE AND ATTEMPT TO DISRUPT with other people's legitimate conversation: === BEGIN === Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1-pr.snfc21.pbi.net) by sims4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for emopierc@sims-ms-daemon; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vm3-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.95]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.248.164]) by vm3-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6UHOdbR225238 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:24:40 -0400 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA37796; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b71/bab) via UUCP id 004A629A; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:06:15 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:06:15 -0800 From: Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [209.68.248.164] X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Listserver: v1.0g, build 71; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman === END === I guess that certain types of people *will* get recourse on the list, and others won't? As far as I'm concerned your policy is incompetent (double standard), and I will be sending a complaint to Bruce and Fatcity that the once respectable, open, public list has become a haven for unix bigots. (feel free to unsubscribe me if you don't have the time to do a proper job running the list in a fair manner). regards, ep On 31 Jul 2002 at 9:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, I've asked both you and Mladen to let this thread die. Mladen agreed, and has not made further replies to this thread. You however seem to get some gratification from annoying the hell out of everyone else. Please stop it now. I'm tired of dealing with it. I have many better things to do with my time than act as a referee. This forum is intended to be informational, educational, conversational and enjoyable, all while maintaining ties with what we all do for a living. At the moment, I'm not having any fun. It's easy enough to find stress in the world, and I and everyone else here don't care to volunteer for more. I've only booted two people off of this list since it's creation, please don't cause me to make it three. Jared Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/2002 02:03 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Oh, I forgot to ask, have your major league people figured out how to get Exchange (aka SQL Server) working right yet? It can't be all *that* hard for major league people to figure out how to correctly implement some li'l ol' clickey clickey MS thingy like Exchange, right? :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) On 30 Jul 2002 at 10:06, Gargoyle wrote: For running a stable production database that a company can rely
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
i am sorry i have to give another reply to the WINDOWS issue, quoting also a cultural superior american named frank zappa -- all that we got here's american made it's a little bit cheesy, but it's nicely displayed well we don't get excited when it crumbles and breaks we get on the phone and call up some flakes they rush on over on wreck it some more and we are so dumb they're lining up at our door (from Sheik Yerbouti, Flakes) -- forgive me for this mail and delete it daniel Jacques Kilchoer wrote: Mr. Pierce - the only ad hominem attacks I saw were from you. Someone posted Don't use Windows, a generic disparagement of the operating system. You immediately responded with a personal insult calling the person an asshole. You then followed it up with a post asserting the cultural superiority of Americans and Israelis over the rest of the world. I suggest that you refrain from personal insults and from political diatribes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] from a private message: | Suggestion: make it clear to the elitist unix bigots that if they | intend to regularly engage in ad hominem attacks and insults that | are clearly intended to disrupt the purpose of the list, which | would include people discussing oracle technology on windows free | of irrelevant b.s., it will be considered a violation of list | rules. | | I delete 98% of posts that are unix/mainframe related, why can't | the unix people do the same thing, and simply focus on what they | are interested in instead of interfering with other people's | conversations? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Daniel Wisser INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
On 28 Jul 2002 at 19:33, Michael Kline wrote: There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Oh, there are? I've also heard that legend, but after having an Exchange server down last week for almost a day, I stopped believing it. Moreover, for the database server, it DOES HAVE to be as good and as stable as possible. I can live with rebooting a desktop machine twice a day, but if that happens to the database server, I'm in trouble. That is why my company is using 4-way HP 9000/N cluster. NT simply doesn't cut it. I've had several Windows NT and 2000 servers that will run Oracle for months, but Linux is quite good as well. I remember once while testing software, I had to busy a version 8 database, then use the software(DB Scope) to look over the database and tell me what was wrong. I got it busy inserting records, dropping records, doing full table scans in a script that just kept repeating itself. Sorry if I missed it before, but what is DB Scope? Well a few months later I had a revision to the software and had to look at a Version 8 database again... I found the I/O in the billions and couldn't figure out why. Which one? The NT? The Linux box had been running at 99% CPU running my script for 2-3 months doing that test on Oracle 8, running our backup DNS, and backup Email server and no one even knew the box was that busy... yes, well err backup DNS and backup Email server ??? what kind of load do they put on the system? Furthermore, does the backup Email server have equivalent functionality as Exchange? I've had Oracle7.3 running on Netware for years along with file, print services and an email server (not to mention a tape backup program!!!). executing the dos command copy n:lrg_file.txt o:*.* practically kills the whole server, oracle or not. Yet, our super powerful Exchange Server was down usually 1-2 times a week and was probably 3-5 times faster with twin processors. Yes, Exchange (aka SQL Server) is a nightmare, which is well understood by ayone that has been in the windows server world for long. Which is irrelevant to running Oracle on NT/2000 as far as I can tell. Usually when management sees a Windows database server and tries to add something to it, that's when you really start having problems. Keep it plain and it will do much better. Excellent advice, that is what we do. Unfortunately, for non-enterprise Oracle users, you need a pile of NT/2000 servers (don't know if this is same for *nix) if you want to use the main components of Oracle's latest technology stack. 1) db server 2) OEM server 3) connectivity server (oracle names, or whatever the heck they call it) 4) iAS server 5) and goodness knows what else, I haven't finished PTFM/RTFM for db v8i/9i blech. presumably, at least for small/non-enterprise installs, #2 and #3 can probably run (together) on an old utility box, which we will have a lot of as there are hundreds of desktop PII/350 SMP boxes (IBM Intellistations) that are being replaced by new P4s. I just found 99% cpu for 3 months very impressive. Great. It is refreshing to see someone providing some actual factual info. My assumption is that (everything else equal) *nix on a PC server is a superior technology, more performant, more stable. Unfortunately one has to know a lot more low level tech stuff to get into the *nix game than is the case with windows, and therefore *nix on a PC will remain to a large extent in the domain of high-skill-set purists and tech elites, not the mass market. regards, ep http://www.retrobox.com/rbwww/home -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
My assumption is that (everything else equal) *nix on a PC server is a superior technology, more performant, more stable. Unfortunately one has to know a lot more low level tech stuff to get into the *nix game than is the case with windows, and therefore *nix on a PC will remain to a large extent in the domain of high-skill-set purists and tech elites, not the mass market. For running a stable production database that a company can rely on, those high-skill-set purists and tech elitist a*holes are still needed. It's not a job for the faint hearted clickety click people. Name of the game is 99% uptime and it's only for the major league, and that means Unix and OS/390 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Eric, thank you for your illuminating notes on the reason they hate us. blowing steamJust two points: 1)A few days ago a bomb explode in India killing 50 people. I did not heard ANY remarks from anybody condemning this. 2) All the people who cry for the Palestinians and demand they should have their own country does not give a shit about the Curds (for example) who are in worse condition. The Europe countries are basing their policy on Jew hating. /blowing steam Yechiel AdarMehish ISRAEL - Original Message - From: Eric D. Pierce To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Absurd. Your intention from the beginning was to be a snobby jerk. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/102gwtnf.asp Among the Bourgeoisophobes Why the Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and Israel. by David Brooks 04/15/2002, Volume 007, Issue 30 AROUND 1830, a group of French artists and intellectuals looked around and noticed that people who were their spiritual inferiors were running the world. Suddenly a large crowd of merchants, managers, and traders were making lots of money, living in the big houses, and holding the key posts. They had none of the high style of the aristocracy, or even the earthy integrity of the peasants. Instead, they were gross. They were vulgar materialists, shallow conformists, and self-absorbed philistines, who half the time failed even to acknowledge their moral and spiritual inferiority to the artists and intellectuals. What's more, it was their very mediocrity that accounted for their success. Through some screw-up in the great scheme of the universe, their narrow-minded greed had brought them vast wealth, unstoppable power, and growing social prestige. Naturally, the artists and intellectuals were outraged. Hatred of the bourgeoisie became the official emotion of the French intelligentsia. Stendhal said traders and merchants made him want to "weep and vomit at the same time." Flaubert thought they were "plodding and avaricious." Hatred of the bourgeoisie, he wrote, "is the beginning of all virtue." He signed his letters "Bourgeoisophobus" to show how much he despised "stupid grocers and their ilk." Of all the great creeds of the 19th century, pretty much the only one still thriving is this one, bourgeoisophobia. Marxism is dead. Freudianism is dead. Social Darwinism is dead, along with all those theories about racial purity that grew up around it. But the emotions and reactions that Flaubert, Stendhal, and all the others articulated in the 1830s are still with us, bigger than ever. In fact, bourgeoisophobia, which has flowered variously and spread to places as diverse as Baghdad, Ramallah, and Beijing, is the major reactionary creed of our age. This is because today, in much of the world's eyes, two peoples--the Americans and the Jews--have emerged as the great exemplars of undeserved success. Americans and Israelis, in this view, are the money-mad molochs of the earth, the vulgarizers of morals, corrupters of culture, and proselytizers of idolatrous values. These two nations, it is said, practice conquest capitalism, overrunning poorer nations and exploiting weaker neighbors in their endless desire for more and more. These two peoples, the Americans and the Jews, in the view of the bourgeoisophobes, thrive precisely because they are spiritually stunted. It is their obliviousness to the holy things in life, their feverish energy, their injustice, their shallow pursuit of power and gain, that allow them to build fortunes, construct weapons, and play the role of hyperpower. And so just as the French intellectuals of the 1830s rose up to despise the traders and bankers, certain people today rise up to shock, humiliate, and dream of destroying America and Israel. Today's bourgeoisophobes burn with the same sense of unjust inferiority. They experience the same humiliation because there is nothing they can do to thwart the growing might of their enemies. They rage and rage. Only today's bourgeoisophobes are not just artists and intellectuals. They are as likely to be terrorists and suicide bombers. They teach in madrassas, where they are careful not to instruct their students in the sort of practical knowledge that dominates bourgeois schools. They are Muslim clerics who incite hatred and violence. They are erudite Europeans who burn with humiliation because they know,
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Please end this thread and/or take it off the list... Thank you. --- Yechiel Adar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, thank you for your illuminating notes on the reason they hate us. blowing steam Just two points: 1) A few days ago a bomb explode in India killing 50 people. I did not heard ANY remarks from anybody condemning this. 2) All the people who cry for the Palestinians and demand they should have their own country does not give a shit about the Curds (for example) who are in worse condition. The Europe countries are basing their policy on Jew hating. /blowing steam Yechiel Adar Mehish ISRAEL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Raube INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Indeed. I hadn't looked at the list since Friday, and I thought it was done with then. Jared On Monday 29 July 2002 05:53, Joe Raube wrote: Please end this thread and/or take it off the list... Thank you. --- Yechiel Adar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, thank you for your illuminating notes on the reason they hate us. blowing steam Just two points: 1) A few days ago a bomb explode in India killing 50 people. I did not heard ANY remarks from anybody condemning this. 2) All the people who cry for the Palestinians and demand they should have their own country does not give a shit about the Curds (for example) who are in worse condition. The Europe countries are basing their policy on Jew hating. /blowing steam Yechiel Adar Mehish ISRAEL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Eric, Need I remind you that this is an Oracle forum? We all enjoy a little off topic banter mixed in with technical discussion, but this is really over the top. Please stop it. Jared Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/28/2002 10:03 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Absurd. Your intention from the beginning was to be a snobby jerk. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/102gwtnf.asp Among the Bourgeoisophobes Why the Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and Israel. by David Brooks 04/15/2002, Volume 007, Issue 30 AROUND 1830, a group of French artists and intellectuals looked around and noticed that people who were their spiritual inferiors were running the world. Suddenly a large crowd of merchants, managers, and traders were making lots of money, living in the big houses, and holding the key posts. They had none of the high style of the aristocracy, or even the earthy integrity of the peasants. Instead, they were gross. They were vulgar materialists, shallow conformists, and self-absorbed philistines, who half the time failed even to acknowledge their moral and spiritual inferiority to the artists and intellectuals. What's more, it was their very mediocrity that accounted for their success. Through some screw-up in the great scheme of the universe, their narrow-minded greed had brought them vast wealth, unstoppable power, and growing social prestige. Naturally, the artists and intellectuals were outraged. Hatred of the bourgeoisie became the official emotion of the French intelligentsia. Stendhal said traders and merchants made him want to weep and vomit at the same time. Flaubert thought they were plodding and avaricious. Hatred of the bourgeoisie, he wrote, is the beginning of all virtue. He signed his letters Bourgeoisophobus to show how much he despised stupid grocers and their ilk. Of all the great creeds of the 19th century, pretty much the only one still thriving is this one, bourgeoisophobia. Marxism is dead. Freudianism is dead. Social Darwinism is dead, along with all those theories about racial purity that grew up around it. But the emotions and reactions that Flaubert, Stendhal, and all the others articulated in the 1830s are still with us, bigger than ever. In fact, bourgeoisophobia, which has flowered variously and spread to places as diverse as Baghdad, Ramallah, and Beijing, is the major reactionary creed of our age. This is because today, in much of the world's eyes, two peoples--the Americans and the Jews--have emerged as the great exemplars of undeserved success. Americans and Israelis, in this view, are the money-mad molochs of the earth, the vulgarizers of morals, corrupters of culture, and proselytizers of idolatrous values. These two nations, it is said, practice conquest capitalism, overrunning poorer nations and exploiting weaker neighbors in their endless desire for more and more. These two peoples, the Americans and the Jews, in the view of the bourgeoisophobes, thrive precisely because they are spiritually stunted. It is their obliviousness to the holy things in life, their feverish energy, their injustice, their shallow pursuit of power and gain, that allow them to build fortunes, construct weapons, and play the role of hyperpower. And so just as the French intellectuals of the 1830s rose up to despise the traders and bankers, certain people today rise up to shock, humiliate, and dream of destroying America and Israel. Today's bourgeoisophobes burn with the same sense of unjust inferiority. They experience the same humiliation because there is nothing they can do to thwart the growing might of their enemies. They rage and rage. Only today's bourgeoisophobes are not just artists and intellectuals. They are as likely to be terrorists and suicide bombers. They teach in madrassas, where they are careful not to instruct their students in the sort of practical knowledge that dominates bourgeois schools. They are Muslim clerics who incite hatred and violence. They are erudite Europeans who burn with humiliation because they know, deep down, that both America and Israel possess a vitality and heroism that their nations once had but no longer do. ... ( originally linked from www.dynamist.com ) --- On 28 Jul 2002 at 12:53, Mladen Gogala wrote: ... This debate is getting increasingly personal and that is why I am going to end it right now. I tried
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Easier , RH, easier ??? Are you kidding. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:48 PM On 2002.07.27 14:49 Eric D. Pierce wrote: JUST SETUP A DUAL BOOT OF WINDOWS 2000 PRO AND WINDOWS XP PRO AND MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER!!! And then reformat all your disks, install Red Hat 7.3 and make your life still easier. No dual boot required. Keep your system Micros*t free. --- Remember, Windows .NET Server 2003 (the precise term used by Bill Gates recently) is the next evolution of the kind of production platform that Oracle server needs to run on, Yes. The most significant advance is that the blue screen of death will be replaced by the green one, to signify Microsoft's concerns for our environment. Microsoft is famous for the stability of its products, particularly the Exchange. Microsoft is really something that you want your production database to be running on. Does the .net part mean that a database running on a MS sever will be vulnerable to any damned virus there is on the (.)net? -- NOT XP (which is a desktop platform)!!! Not on my desk! XP is the desktop Whistler, whereas Windows .NET Server 2003 is the server version of Whistler. Oracle will probably have the same problem with Longhorn, which will be the next evolutionary step in the desktop Since when is return to the dinosaurs called evolution? progression after XP. Donward progression, that is. Just press Ctrl-Alt-Del. -- Mladen Gogala -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ramon E. Estevez INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
from a private message: | Suggestion: make it clear to the elitist unix bigots that if they | intend to regularly engage in ad hominem attacks and insults that | are clearly intended to disrupt the purpose of the list, which | would include people discussing oracle technology on windows free | of irrelevant b.s., it will be considered a violation of list | rules. | | I delete 98% of posts that are unix/mainframe related, why can't | the unix people do the same thing, and simply focus on what they | are interested in instead of interfering with other people's | conversations? Original Message: - Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:43:29 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric, Need I remind you that this is an Oracle forum? mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Title: RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP? Mr. Pierce - the only ad hominem attacks I saw were from you. Someone posted Don't use Windows, a generic disparagement of the operating system. You immediately responded with a personal insult calling the person an asshole. You then followed it up with a post asserting the cultural superiority of Americans and Israelis over the rest of the world. I suggest that you refrain from personal insults and from political diatribes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] from a private message: | Suggestion: make it clear to the elitist unix bigots that if they | intend to regularly engage in ad hominem attacks and insults that | are clearly intended to disrupt the purpose of the list, which | would include people discussing oracle technology on windows free | of irrelevant b.s., it will be considered a violation of list | rules. | | I delete 98% of posts that are unix/mainframe related, why can't | the unix people do the same thing, and simply focus on what they | are interested in instead of interfering with other people's | conversations?
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
On 27 Jul 2002 at 17:03, Mladen Gogala wrote: On 2002.07.27 19:58 Eric D. Pierce wrote: Silly masturbatory bigotry. I suppose you think it is a good thing to drive all the NT people to using SQL Server by acting like a typical snobby *sshole Unix DBA? If someone wants to use SQL*Server, he'll do it. Oracle is too big and too expensive for a small corner shop. MySQL and PostGres are even greater danger to both of them. Incidentally, I expect Oracle Corp. to bring prices down soon. Very soon. So we should expect a whole new bunch of newbee NT Oracle DBAs to join the list? :) haaa ha haaa As for the snobby *sshole Unix DBA, yes, I am a Unix guy, I used to be a VMS guy, but Micros*t operating systems simply do not satisfy my stability and adaptability criteria. So what? Are you saying that your experience eclipses everything that goes on in the market? I have nothing against deep-skill-set people and the nbecessary role they play as long as they don't try to colonize every other aspect of the industry with elitist b*llsh*t attitudes. Believe it or not, it's the pricing that drives business decision, not a preference toward some specially likable OS. If Oracle doesn't bring prices down, people will be using SQL*Server on NT, one way or another. I would say it is functionality and price. If the guys asking the question wanted to learn Linsux they would have. Well, if you want an operating systems that any idiot can use, than idiots will use it. That particularly applies to Windoze. So, extending your statement to its logical conclusion, only experts should have PCs, and the mass market for computers was a social aberration? The reason MS established market domination was not just because of monopolistic practices, there was an existing vacuum on the low end of the market that MS learned to exploit by creating mass market products that the high-skill-set elitists/purists weren't inclined towards. The guys should know that, whoever the guys might be. They guys are the ones asking the question about certification of oracle db 8.1.7 on XP. As far as I know, there is no evidence that they either should, or do know that. Linsux desktop is still sucky. It is? Depends on what you mean by sucky. That doesn't sound like a particularly well defined criteria. I like my home environment (SuSE 8.0) far better then my office environment (Windoze 2000). That proves nothing. Just because a high-skill-set nuix bigot, obviously steeped in the arcana of systems is able to get a working desktop Linsux environment setup says NOTHING about the mass market. I have abundant evidence that even techies that have attempted to run Linsux desktop because the that MS find it too much of a real pain in the *ss after a while, and go back to MS in order to get work done. I, for one, think that windoze sucks. Obviously, but so what? There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Oh, there are? Read the book on Oracle9i on Windows 2000 by three Oracle employees (one of whom was on the list a while ago and said basically the same things I am). http://mhorder.com/oracle9i/0072194626.html I've also heard that legend, but after having an Exchange server down last week for almost a day, I stopped believing it. ??? Does that mean you don't know how to run Exchange, or that Exchange sucks, or both? If the latter, how does Exchange (AKA SQL Server) being sucky automatically mean that all of NT is sucky??? Moreover, for the database server, it DOES HAVE to be as good and as stable as possible. Reliability is on a continuum. There are certainly instances of mainframes and unix being set up in a flaky, unreliable manner by people that lack expertise. Just because maingrame/unix is being used doesn't magically confer perfection on a system and guarantee 100% stability. Now, if some guy wants to install Oracle on a laptop for (e.g.) testing/training purposes, I would suggest that it is utter f*ing insanity to say that they have absolutely no chance of doing it in a stable enough manner. I can live with rebooting a desktop machine twice a day, but if that happens to the database server, I'm in trouble. What are you basing your comments on? Can someone ask Oracle if the large number of production Oracle/NT systems that exist require daily rebooting? Your statement is ridiculous. That is why my company is using 4-way HP 9000/N cluster. NT simply doesn't cut it. Again: SO WHAT? In case the though never occurred to you, you and your company are not the center of the universe,and the end of all human possibility or experience. Here is the main problem with MS: in order to sell product (new operating systems), they have to sell it on new systems. So in order to get people to buy new systems, they have to add bloat (er...
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
On 2002.07.28 14:03 Eric D. Pierce wrote: On 27 Jul 2002 at 17:03, Mladen Gogala wrote: On 2002.07.27 19:58 Eric D. Pierce wrote: Silly masturbatory bigotry. I suppose you think it is a good thing to drive all the NT people to using SQL Server by acting like a typical snobby *sshole Unix DBA? If someone wants to use SQL*Server, he'll do it. Oracle is too big and too expensive for a small corner shop. MySQL and PostGres are even greater danger to both of them. Incidentally, I expect Oracle Corp. to bring prices down soon. Very soon. So we should expect a whole new bunch of newbee NT Oracle DBAs to join the list? :) haaa ha haaa Hey, you joined and nobody was objecting. As for the snobby *sshole Unix DBA, yes, I am a Unix guy, I used to be a VMS guy, but Micros*t operating systems simply do not satisfy my stability and adaptability criteria. So what? Are you saying that your experience eclipses everything that goes on in the market? Where did you derive that from? I have nothing against deep-skill-set people and the nbecessary role they play as long as they don't try to colonize every other aspect of the industry with elitist b*llsh*t attitudes. Believe it or not, it's the pricing that drives business decision, not a preference toward some specially likable OS. If Oracle doesn't bring prices down, people will be using SQL*Server on NT, one way or another. I would say it is functionality and price. If the guys asking the question wanted to learn Linsux they would have. Well, if you want an operating systems that any idiot can use, than idiots will use it. That particularly applies to Windoze. So, extending your statement to its logical conclusion, only experts should have PCs, and the mass market for computers was a social aberration? Nope. It's not a social aberration. Only, people shouldn't be running production databases on NT and related systems. Mass market is OK, Windoze is good for editing, printing and playing tetris, but it is definitely not for databases. The reason MS established market domination was not just because of monopolistic practices, there was an existing vacuum on the low end of the market that MS learned to exploit by creating mass market products that the high-skill-set elitists/purists weren't inclined towards. On the other hand, we have pimply faced idiots who think that everything should be done on NT because they don't know anything else. I've been blessed with the several opportunities to interview a candidate with MSCE,OCP and no unix experience for a DBA position, and I'm fully aware of their capabilities. Windoze is not for databases, regardless of what you think about the world of adults (high-skill-set elitists/purists) This debate is getting increasingly personal and that is why I am going to end it right now. I tried avoiding a personal conflict in my first reply, but you insisted. As I have nothing to gain from the squabble, I'm out of here. -- Mladen Gogala -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Oh, there are? I've also heard that legend, but after having an Exchange server down last week for almost a day, I stopped believing it. Moreover, for the database server, it DOES HAVE to be as good and as stable as possible. I can live with rebooting a desktop machine twice a day, but if that happens to the database server, I'm in trouble. That is why my company is using 4-way HP 9000/N cluster. NT simply doesn't cut it. I've had several Windows NT and 2000 servers that will run Oracle for months, but Linux is quite good as well. I remember once while testing software, I had to busy a version 8 database, then use the software(DB Scope) to look over the database and tell me what was wrong. I got it busy inserting records, dropping records, doing full table scans in a script that just kept repeating itself. Well a few months later I had a revision to the software and had to look at a Version 8 database again... I found the I/O in the billions and couldn't figure out why. The Linux box had been running at 99% CPU running my script for 2-3 months doing that test on Oracle 8, running our backup DNS, and backup Email server and no one even knew the box was that busy... Yet, our super powerful Exchange Server was down usually 1-2 times a week and was probably 3-5 times faster with twin processors. Usually when management sees a Windows database server and tries to add something to it, that's when you really start having problems. Keep it plain and it will do much better. I just found 99% cpu for 3 months very impressive. Maks. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Michael Kline INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Absurd. Your intention from the beginning was to be a snobby jerk. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/102gwtnf.asp Among the Bourgeoisophobes Why the Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and Israel. by David Brooks 04/15/2002, Volume 007, Issue 30 AROUND 1830, a group of French artists and intellectuals looked around and noticed that people who were their spiritual inferiors were running the world. Suddenly a large crowd of merchants, managers, and traders were making lots of money, living in the big houses, and holding the key posts. They had none of the high style of the aristocracy, or even the earthy integrity of the peasants. Instead, they were gross. They were vulgar materialists, shallow conformists, and self-absorbed philistines, who half the time failed even to acknowledge their moral and spiritual inferiority to the artists and intellectuals. What's more, it was their very mediocrity that accounted for their success. Through some screw-up in the great scheme of the universe, their narrow-minded greed had brought them vast wealth, unstoppable power, and growing social prestige. Naturally, the artists and intellectuals were outraged. Hatred of the bourgeoisie became the official emotion of the French intelligentsia. Stendhal said traders and merchants made him want to weep and vomit at the same time. Flaubert thought they were plodding and avaricious. Hatred of the bourgeoisie, he wrote, is the beginning of all virtue. He signed his letters Bourgeoisophobus to show how much he despised stupid grocers and their ilk. Of all the great creeds of the 19th century, pretty much the only one still thriving is this one, bourgeoisophobia. Marxism is dead. Freudianism is dead. Social Darwinism is dead, along with all those theories about racial purity that grew up around it. But the emotions and reactions that Flaubert, Stendhal, and all the others articulated in the 1830s are still with us, bigger than ever. In fact, bourgeoisophobia, which has flowered variously and spread to places as diverse as Baghdad, Ramallah, and Beijing, is the major reactionary creed of our age. This is because today, in much of the world's eyes, two peoples--the Americans and the Jews--have emerged as the great exemplars of undeserved success. Americans and Israelis, in this view, are the money-mad molochs of the earth, the vulgarizers of morals, corrupters of culture, and proselytizers of idolatrous values. These two nations, it is said, practice conquest capitalism, overrunning poorer nations and exploiting weaker neighbors in their endless desire for more and more. These two peoples, the Americans and the Jews, in the view of the bourgeoisophobes, thrive precisely because they are spiritually stunted. It is their obliviousness to the holy things in life, their feverish energy, their injustice, their shallow pursuit of power and gain, that allow them to build fortunes, construct weapons, and play the role of hyperpower. And so just as the French intellectuals of the 1830s rose up to despise the traders and bankers, certain people today rise up to shock, humiliate, and dream of destroying America and Israel. Today's bourgeoisophobes burn with the same sense of unjust inferiority. They experience the same humiliation because there is nothing they can do to thwart the growing might of their enemies. They rage and rage. Only today's bourgeoisophobes are not just artists and intellectuals. They are as likely to be terrorists and suicide bombers. They teach in madrassas, where they are careful not to instruct their students in the sort of practical knowledge that dominates bourgeois schools. They are Muslim clerics who incite hatred and violence. They are erudite Europeans who burn with humiliation because they know, deep down, that both America and Israel possess a vitality and heroism that their nations once had but no longer do. ... ( originally linked from www.dynamist.com ) --- On 28 Jul 2002 at 12:53, Mladen Gogala wrote: ... This debate is getting increasingly personal and that is why I am going to end it right now. I tried avoiding a personal conflict in my first reply, but you insisted. As I have nothing to gain from the squabble, I'm out of here. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
It is possible although it is not supported. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:03 AM Hi gurus... I friend newly bought a laptop with windows XP. He wants to install oracle 8i on it. Is it possible to install oracle 8i in XP?. Is there any patch i need apply. Thanks. Nirmal. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Can you pls any one guide me, how to succeed on this. Rgds, Nirmal. -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It is possible although it is not supported. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:03 AM Hi gurus... I friend newly bought a laptop with windows XP. He wants to install oracle 8i on it. Is it possible to install oracle 8i in XP?. Is there any patch i need apply. Thanks. Nirmal. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
JUST SETUP A DUAL BOOT OF WINDOWS 2000 PRO AND WINDOWS XP PRO AND MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER!!! --- Remember, Windows .NET Server 2003 (the precise term used by Bill Gates recently) is the next evolution of the kind of production platform that Oracle server needs to run on, -- NOT XP (which is a desktop platform)!!! XP is the desktop Whistler, whereas Windows .NET Server 2003 is the server version of Whistler. Oracle will probably have the same problem with Longhorn, which will be the next evolutionary step in the desktop progression after XP. --- Anyways, according to one report, to make pre-9i ORacle software work on XP, copy everything from the install CD to hard disk, remove the read only attribute, and run the installer from there. ??? Or use Oracle db v 9.0 or 9.1 ? (which are certified on XP *PRO*) (Or get a cheap test box, and install Windows 2000 Pro!) According to a developer product manager guy at Oracle@UK, the reason that XP is not currently supported for db 8i (or more precisely, for Patch11 of the Developer stuff) is that there are some concerns about compatibility of required support files on XP. ---excerpt--- from metalink.oracle.com : Oracle8i Client Release Notes Release 3 (8.1.7.0.0) for Windows XP June 2002 Part No. A97675-01 These Release Notes discuss the steps to install Oracle8i client components on Windows XP. These Release Notes supplement Oracle8i Release Notes for Windows and component readme files that were distributed with the Oracle8i release 3 (8.1.7.0.0) for Windows software. This document contains the following topics: Oracle Components Certified on Windows XP Required Oracle8i Installation Components Additional Oracle8i Installation Components Installation Tasks Deinstallation Steps Documentation Accessibility Oracle Components Certified on Windows XP Only the client components from the 8.1.7.3.0 patch set for Oracle8i Server for Windows are certified on the 32-bit version of Windows XP Professional Edition. Table 1 lists these client components. Releases prior to the 8.1.7.3.0 patch set for Oracle8i Server for Windows are not certified on Windows XP. ... ---end--- On 27 Jul 2002 at 8:08, Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran wrote: Date sent: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:08:24 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can you pls any one guide me, how to succeed on this. Rgds, Nirmal. -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It is possible although it is not supported. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:03 AM Hi gurus... I friend newly bought a laptop with windows XP. He wants to install oracle 8i on it. Is it possible to install oracle 8i in XP?. Is there any patch i need apply. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
On 2002.07.27 14:49 Eric D. Pierce wrote: JUST SETUP A DUAL BOOT OF WINDOWS 2000 PRO AND WINDOWS XP PRO AND MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER!!! And then reformat all your disks, install Red Hat 7.3 and make your life still easier. No dual boot required. Keep your system Micros*t free. --- Remember, Windows .NET Server 2003 (the precise term used by Bill Gates recently) is the next evolution of the kind of production platform that Oracle server needs to run on, Yes. The most significant advance is that the blue screen of death will be replaced by the green one, to signify Microsoft's concerns for our environment. Microsoft is famous for the stability of its products, particularly the Exchange. Microsoft is really something that you want your production database to be running on. Does the .net part mean that a database running on a MS sever will be vulnerable to any damned virus there is on the (.)net? -- NOT XP (which is a desktop platform)!!! Not on my desk! XP is the desktop Whistler, whereas Windows .NET Server 2003 is the server version of Whistler. Oracle will probably have the same problem with Longhorn, which will be the next evolutionary step in the desktop Since when is return to the dinosaurs called evolution? progression after XP. Donward progression, that is. Just press Ctrl-Alt-Del. -- Mladen Gogala -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Silly masturbatory bigotry. I suppose you think it is a good thing to drive all the NT people to using SQL Server by acting like a typical snobby *sshole Unix DBA? If the guys asking the question wanted to learn Linsux they would have. Linsux desktop is still sucky. There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Here is the main problem with MS: in order to sell product (new operating systems), they have to sell it on new systems. So in order to get people to buy new systems, they have to add bloat (er... features). .NET is full of bloat (Palladium, etc.), but if MS' marketing people succeed in convincing the market that .NET is easier than java and open source, they will win. regards, ep On 27 Jul 2002 at 11:48, Mladen Gogala wrote: On 2002.07.27 14:49 Eric D. Pierce wrote: JUST SETUP A DUAL BOOT OF WINDOWS 2000 PRO AND WINDOWS XP PRO AND MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER!!! And then reformat all your disks, install Red Hat 7.3 and make your life still easier. No dual boot required. Keep your system Micros*t free. --- Remember, Windows .NET Server 2003 (the precise term used by Bill Gates recently) is the next evolution of the kind of production platform that Oracle server needs to run on, Yes. The most significant advance is that the blue screen of death will be replaced by the green one, to signify Microsoft's concerns for our environment. Microsoft is famous for the stability of its products, particularly the Exchange. Microsoft is really something that you want your production database to be running on. Does the .net part mean that a database running on a MS sever will be vulnerable to any damned virus there is on the (.)net? -- NOT XP (which is a desktop platform)!!! Not on my desk! XP is the desktop Whistler, whereas Windows .NET Server 2003 is the server version of Whistler. Oracle will probably have the same problem with Longhorn, which will be the next evolutionary step in the desktop Since when is return to the dinosaurs called evolution? progression after XP. Donward progression, that is. Just press Ctrl-Alt-Del. -- Mladen Gogala -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
On 2002.07.27 19:58 Eric D. Pierce wrote: Silly masturbatory bigotry. I suppose you think it is a good thing to drive all the NT people to using SQL Server by acting like a typical snobby *sshole Unix DBA? If someone wants to use SQL*Server, he'll do it. Oracle is too big and too expensive for a small corner shop. MySQL and PostGres are even greater danger to both of them. Incidentally, I expect Oracle Corp. to bring prices down soon. Very soon. As for the snobby *sshole Unix DBA, yes, I am a Unix guy, I used to be a VMS guy, but Micros*t operating systems simply do not satisfy my stability and adaptability criteria. Believe it or not, it's the pricing that drives business decision, not a preference toward some specially likable OS. If Oracle doesn't bring prices down, people will be using SQL*Server on NT, one way or another. If the guys asking the question wanted to learn Linsux they would have. Well, if you want an operating systems that any idiot can use, than idiots will use it. That particularly applies to Windoze. The guys should know that, whoever the guys might be. Linsux desktop is still sucky. It is? Depends on what you mean by sucky. That doesn't sound like a particularly well defined criteria. I like my home environment (SuSE 8.0) far better then my office environment (Windoze 2000). I, for one, think that windoze sucks. There are a lot of stable production windows server systems. Not as good Unix, but it doesn't have to be. Oh, there are? I've also heard that legend, but after having an Exchange server down last week for almost a day, I stopped believing it. Moreover, for the database server, it DOES HAVE to be as good and as stable as possible. I can live with rebooting a desktop machine twice a day, but if that happens to the database server, I'm in trouble. That is why my company is using 4-way HP 9000/N cluster. NT simply doesn't cut it. Here is the main problem with MS: in order to sell product (new operating systems), they have to sell it on new systems. So in order to get people to buy new systems, they have to add bloat (er... features). .NET is full of bloat (Palladium, etc.), but if MS' marketing people succeed in convincing the market that .NET is easier than java and open source, they will win. Microsoft is, legally, a monopolly, which still has to be regulated. The legal remedies are still in the process. Winning over Java and open source in the usual Microsoft way will probably not be possible. The MS way means strongarming PC dealers and threatenning clients to revoke licenses if they deploy a hostile OS. -- Mladen Gogala -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Install Oracle 8i on Windows XP?
Three questions: 1) XP Home or Pro (Would not recommend installing anything on Home) 2) Intel P4? (If so look on metalink for some information about this issue) 3) Which version of 8i (Hopefully 8.1.7.4) - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:08 PM Can you pls any one guide me, how to succeed on this. Rgds, Nirmal. -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It is possible although it is not supported. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:03 AM Hi gurus... I friend newly bought a laptop with windows XP. He wants to install oracle 8i on it. Is it possible to install oracle 8i in XP?. Is there any patch i need apply. Thanks. Nirmal. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
