RE: UNIX and Oracle
You may take a look at the book Oracle for Linux DBA's. Design and Implementation of the [UNIX || 4.x BSD] Operating System by [Bach || McCusic et all] Should both have excellent overviews of shared memory, semaphores, and why they're useful. If you want even more nitty gritty, pick up a decent book on pthreads programming and you'll also learn about things like mutex locks, etc. -- Rich Holland(913) 645-1950SAP Technical Consultant print unpack(u,92G5S\=\!A;F]T:5R(\'!EFP\@:%C:V5R\[EMAIL PROTECTED]); -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veeraraju_Mareddi Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: UNIX and Oracle Dear Friends, Any good article to explain the above subject, SHARED Memory Sema phores on SUN / LINUX for Oracle. I just know what is shared memory , sema phores are. But never involved practically much. Please also send me some typical configurations , with explanation(if possible ) Please send me details about ur UNIX production Oracle systems, and lot of examples. Any good we site with pictorial information. NOTE: This is just for information only. Thanks a lot. Regards Rajuveera ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Veeraraju_Mareddi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rich Holland INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Corniche Park INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: UNIX and Oracle
Design and Implementation of the [UNIX || 4.x BSD] Operating System by [Bach || McCusic et all] Should both have excellent overviews of shared memory, semaphores, and why they're useful. If you want even more nitty gritty, pick up a decent book on pthreads programming and you'll also learn about things like mutex locks, etc. -- Rich Holland(913) 645-1950SAP Technical Consultant print unpack(u,92G5S\=\!A;F]T:5R(\'!EFP\@:%C:V5R\[EMAIL PROTECTED]); -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veeraraju_Mareddi Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: UNIX and Oracle Dear Friends, Any good article to explain the above subject, SHARED Memory Sema phores on SUN / LINUX for Oracle. I just know what is shared memory , sema phores are. But never involved practically much. Please also send me some typical configurations , with explanation(if possible ) Please send me details about ur UNIX production Oracle systems, and lot of examples. Any good we site with pictorial information. NOTE: This is just for information only. Thanks a lot. Regards Rajuveera ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Veeraraju_Mareddi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rich Holland INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: UNIX and Oracle
One small correction is that the Berkeley book you're describing is by Leffer and others (Bach wrote the ATT one). Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic 101 in Sydney - Hotsos Symposium 2004, March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- Rich Holland Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 4:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Design and Implementation of the [UNIX || 4.x BSD] Operating System by [Bach || McCusic et all] Should both have excellent overviews of shared memory, semaphores, and why they're useful. If you want even more nitty gritty, pick up a decent book on pthreads programming and you'll also learn about things like mutex locks, etc. -- Rich Holland(913) 645-1950SAP Technical Consultant print unpack(u,92G5S\=\!A;F]T:5R(\'!EFP\@:%C:V5R\[EMAIL PROTECTED]); -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veeraraju_Mareddi Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: UNIX and Oracle Dear Friends, Any good article to explain the above subject, SHARED Memory Sema phores on SUN / LINUX for Oracle. I just know what is shared memory , sema phores are. But never involved practically much. Please also send me some typical configurations , with explanation(if possible ) Please send me details about ur UNIX production Oracle systems, and lot of examples. Any good we site with pictorial information. NOTE: This is just for information only. Thanks a lot. Regards Rajuveera ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Veeraraju_Mareddi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rich Holland INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
UNIX and Oracle
Dear Friends, Any good article to explain the above subject, SHARED Memory Sema phores on SUN / LINUX for Oracle. I just know what is shared memory , sema phores are. But never involved practically much. Please also send me some typical configurations , with explanation(if possible ) Please send me details about ur UNIX production Oracle systems, and lot of examples. Any good we site with pictorial information. NOTE: This is just for information only. Thanks a lot. Regards Rajuveera ** This email (including any attachments) is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient/s and may contain material that is CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE COMPANY INFORMATION. Any review or reliance by others or copying or distribution or forwarding of any or all of the contents in this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies; your cooperation in this regard is appreciated. ** -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Veeraraju_Mareddi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink
Re: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Dan, I have an intel 850mz with 512 Ram 4 disks, 1-20g 2-40g and 1 80g and a SCSI Cdrom and SCSI 4mm tape drive Loaded with RedHat 7.2 and Oracle 8.1.7. It contains the same data as the production server and is faster by 3 fold. The production is Dell 6300 450 mz 1 Gig and 2 Raid1 and 5 Raid5 drives. I use the Linux box to practice and play and learn the features of 8i for implimentation on to the production servers. I think Linux is the way to go. The initial cost and upgrade costs are really in-expensive. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/03 10:14AM I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
I've got Suse8.1 setup at home with a DSL connection and am planning on putting Oracle 8 onto the box. Good setup, easily installed. Go for it ;O) -Original Message- Sent: 30 January 2003 15:14 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thomas, Kevin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
For $500 you can build your own Intel/AMD machine with 1GB of RAM that will blow the doors off the Sun Ultras. You may need to spend a little more if you need some hard drives and a cheap video card. Install Linux, Oracle and enjoy. -- Alan Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212-604-0200 x106 On 1/30/2003 10:14 AM, Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Alan Davey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
I agree w/ Ron. Intel Linux is the least cost alternative. I just dumped an old Sparc 5 and bought a PIII 450 128mb ram for $139 + shipping. You can't beat the cost of old intel machines, plus I can get hardware/software anywhere. Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/03 11:30AM Dan,I have an intel 850mz with 512 Ram 4 disks, 1-20g 2-40g and 1 80g anda SCSI Cdrom and SCSI 4mm tape drive Loaded with RedHat 7.2 and Oracle8.1.7.It contains the same data as the production server and is faster by 3fold. The production is Dell 6300 450 mz 1 Gig and 2 Raid1 and 5 Raid5drives. I use the Linux box to practice and play and learn the features of 8ifor implimentation on to the production servers. I think Linux is theway to go. The initial cost and upgrade costs are really in-expensive.Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/03 10:14AM I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines athome.It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't needbells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation.Whileit would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSLconfiguration, itis not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I canalsoget Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500.Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? Alltips,challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated.Dan Fink-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Hey Dan; I currently am running a Sun Sparc 20 at home with oracle 8.1.7.4 and am adding 9.0.2. I got mine off of e-bay as you were talking about. The Sun software wasprety easyto load and configure so far. I have a DSL setup and its working just fine. I can even get to the DB from here at work . I am currently adding a lot of other features (like samba and a named daemon and such). As for e-bay there is both good and bad. First, you get what you pay for ... sight unseen. I ended up going back to e-bay after I got my sparc 20 to pick up a different motherboard (only cost me $12.50) because my original one was bad. Plus, I went back and got extra memory and drive space as well. All in all, the cost of the workstation was around 400. Right now it has 3 processors, 500 megs memory, and about 36 gigs of drive space. To cut it short . it was a good investment. Just took some time. -Original Message-From: Fink, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:14 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Hey Dan, I picked up a Unix Workstation cheap (they were going to junk the 500Mhz Alpha here at work), installed RH7.1, and it's been running at home ever since. I've got a Linkys BEFSX41 fire-walling VPNing router that I plug my PC (Winders/Linux) and Alpha into, which then in turn plugs into my DSL router. Setup a local IP network (192.168.x.x) for my machines, and away we go! Kicking out 6 SETI packets a day... The Alpha (nodename: HOPS) is my Perl/Oracle/Apache test bed and home mail/web server. Since it's an unsupported Oracle platform (Linux on Alpha), I've got a Perl/JDBC server running on it to use DBD::JDBC to connect to the instance on the Intel box (nodename: MALT). Seamless! I would think that you could get more bang for the buck with a cheap-o Intel and Linux. Drop in a digital SOHO KVM switch (stay away from Belkin unless you plan to use ONLY Belkin cables because they did a sex change on the KVM end, the bastards!) and you can run both boxes from one keyboard and monitor. Or just run the Oracle server headless (no monitor) like a real Unix server. I'd shy away from the Ultra 5's. Just not enough horsepower there. I'm not sure about the 10's and our resident Sun consultant isn't here today, but it would probably do the job at home, provided you've got the memory for it. My 500Mhz VMS RISC Alpha runs a small OEM repository fine here at work with only 384MB (one 256 and one 128 module). And it kicks out a couple SETI packets a day, too. :) Also note that you'd need a Sun monitor or expensive converter for the monitor, should you not want to run it headless. My Alpha's got standard 15-pin D-sub for video as well as a PCI backplane, so I had no problems setting up a cheap-o video card to my KVM. HTH! GL! Need any help setting up the boxes? Holler. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Dan I personally run Linux/Oracle on all of my own test/dev boxes. But I'd like to vote for Solaris/Oracle. I would also recommand the Sun Blades, which are based on PC architectures and the advantage is it uses PC RAM and IDE hard drive, so it's cheaper than the Sun parts. You can get a 2GB of RAM from curcial for like two hundred bucks. Richard Ji -Original Message-From: Fink, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:14 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
If you want a really stable box, you can buy something like IBM 3090 600J. It would go for a few hundred bucks these days. In the winter it would replace the central heating system for your whole house, if neighborhood. And, of course, you can Linux on it. -Original Message-From: Gene Sais [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:06 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I agree w/ Ron. Intel Linux is the least cost alternative. I just dumped an old Sparc 5 and bought a PIII 450 128mb ram for $139 + shipping. You can't beat the cost of old intel machines, plus I can get hardware/software anywhere. Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/03 11:30AM Dan,I have an intel 850mz with 512 Ram 4 disks, 1-20g 2-40g and 1 80g anda SCSI Cdrom and SCSI 4mm tape drive Loaded with RedHat 7.2 and Oracle8.1.7.It contains the same data as the production server and is faster by 3fold. The production is Dell 6300 450 mz 1 Gig and 2 Raid1 and 5 Raid5drives. I use the Linux box to practice and play and learn the features of 8ifor implimentation on to the production servers. I think Linux is theway to go. The initial cost and upgrade costs are really in-expensive.Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/03 10:14AM I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines athome.It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't needbells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation.Whileit would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSLconfiguration, itis not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I canalsoget Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500.Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? Alltips,challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated.Dan Fink-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Dan: I am running RedHat 7.3 on a Gateway G6-266 in my home LAN. It connects to the web just fine, and my intent is to make it a lightweight web and DB server. I amrunning Oracle 9iR2. It's slow, but it runs. Cheers, Mike -Original Message-From: Fink, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:14 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink
Re: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. old and very slow. You'll get light years more bang for your buck with x86/linux and oracle. Plus, lots of shops are migrating to it so you'll start getting experience on that platform. Last -- and not least, if you get two boxes w/firewire and an external firewire drive (w/ two ports) you can mess around with RAC. [firewire rac cluster article] http://technet.oracle.com/oramag/webcolumns/2002/opinion/coekaerts_linux01.html I, personally, use firewire for things other (breakaway third mirror backups), but i'm a phreak. -- craig .-... . -.-. .-. . --- . ... ... .- --. . Craig I. Hagan hagan(at)cih.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig I. Hagan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Definitely use SUN equipment if you use Solaris. Way too many questions and problems on the Solaris message boards related to getting Intel hardware to work right with solaris. Ugly. -Original Message-From: Richard Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:01 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home Dan I personally run Linux/Oracle on all of my own test/dev boxes. But I'd like to vote for Solaris/Oracle. I would also recommand the Sun Blades, which are based on PC architectures and the advantage is it uses PC RAM and IDE hard drive, so it's cheaper than the Sun parts. You can get a 2GB of RAM from curcial for like two hundred bucks. Richard Ji -Original Message-From: Fink, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:14 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Besides, Oracle is not available for Solaris on Intel : Quoting Kevin Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Definitely use SUN equipment if you use Solaris. Way too many questions and problems on the Solaris message boards related to getting Intel hardware to work right with solaris. Ugly. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dan I personally run Linux/Oracle on all of my own test/dev boxes. But I'd like to vote for Solaris/Oracle. I would also recommand the Sun Blades, which are based on PC architectures and the advantage is it uses PC RAM and IDE hard drive, so it's cheaper than the Sun parts. You can get a 2GB of RAM from curcial for like two hundred bucks. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink -- Lyndon Tiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I recommend you get it all... You shouldn't have to have a personal Solaris box just to test work stuff as damagement should give you resources. But if you're looking for career learning and want to gain solaris admin skills then that could be a way to go.But Linux is definitely the future... No flames please. ;-) You can do lot's of cool stuff with Linux like providing NAT, Firewall, bridge services for a "free" or low cost WiFI neighborhood DSL broadband sharing network with web and email services. If you have a collection of windoze machines you could get something like VMware and run Linux as the primary or secondary O/S. That way you can have everything which is my recommendation. No need to be constrained by things like budgets. :-) Steve Orr -Original Message-From: Fink, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:14 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
Well, Sun Blade runs Solaris for Sparc, not Solaris for Intel. $uname -a SunOS neptune 5.8 Generic_108528-09 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-100 It's just other components are more PC based, such as Memory etc. And I don't see any problems with PC components, because that's what Sun uses too. We have, and many others has upgraded Blade with bigger IDE drives and PC memeory. If you check crucial web site, they sell memory for Sun Blade lines. That's why I favor it over Intel/Linux, because you get a Sparc box and can take advantage of cheap Intel components. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Besides, Oracle is not available for Solaris on Intel : Quoting Kevin Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Definitely use SUN equipment if you use Solaris. Way too many questions and problems on the Solaris message boards related to getting Intel hardware to work right with solaris. Ugly. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dan I personally run Linux/Oracle on all of my own test/dev boxes. But I'd like to vote for Solaris/Oracle. I would also recommand the Sun Blades, which are based on PC architectures and the advantage is it uses PC RAM and IDE hard drive, so it's cheaper than the Sun parts. You can get a 2GB of RAM from curcial for like two hundred bucks. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink -- Lyndon Tiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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FYI, Sun Blade runs Solaris for Sparc not Solaris for Intel. --- Lyndon Tiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, Oracle is not available for Solaris on Intel : Quoting Kevin Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Definitely use SUN equipment if you use Solaris. Way too many questions and problems on the Solaris message boards related to getting Intel hardware to work right with solaris. Ugly. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dan I personally run Linux/Oracle on all of my own test/dev boxes. But I'd like to vote for Solaris/Oracle. I would also recommand the Sun Blades, which are based on PC architectures and the advantage is it uses PC RAM and IDE hard drive, so it's cheaper than the Sun parts. You can get a 2GB of RAM from curcial for like two hundred bucks. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink -- Lyndon Tiu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Lyndon Tiu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: rich rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home
As I will be unemployed on February 5, I can't convince damagement to provide it and can't afford it all. And my RAC cluster of 10 etch-a-sketches and a Big Chief Tablet is not upgradeable... It sounds like Linux is the best option. I am not worried about performance as much as being able to write scripts, run tests, etc. on a unix platform. It may cost a little more than a used Solaris box, but I think it will be easier to support in the long run. Thanks to all who replied. -Original Message-From: Orr, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:08 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I recommend you get it all... You shouldn't have to have a personal Solaris box just to test work stuff as damagement should give you resources. But if you're looking for career learning and want to gain solaris admin skills then that could be a way to go.But Linux is definitely the future... No flames please. ;-) You can do lot's of cool stuff with Linux like providing NAT, Firewall, bridge services for a "free" or low cost WiFI neighborhood DSL broadband sharing network with web and email services. If you have a collection of windoze machines you could get something like VMware and run Linux as the primary or secondary O/S. That way you can have everything which is my recommendation. No need to be constrained by things like budgets. :-) Steve Orr -Original Message-From: Fink, Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:14 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Borderline OT - Unix for Oracle at home I am looking to add a unix box to my collection of wintel machines at home. It will be used solely for running/testing Oracle, so I don't need bells whistles. My thoughts are either Linux/intel or Sun Ultra workstation. While it would be convenient to be able to network it into a DSL configuration, it is not essential. My original thought was a Linux desktop, but I can also get Ultra 5 or 10 workstations on ebay for less than $500. Anyone having experience good/bad/ugly for this type of task? All tips, challenges, things to consider are greatly appreciated. Dan Fink
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wow, that was stupid of me !! UNIX System Administration Handbook (3rd Edition) by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass, Trent R. Hein Unix for Oracle DBAs Pocket Reference by Donald K. Burleson (I copied the ISBN from Amazon). Regards, Stefan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I read it and love it. The only thing I was wondering about is the fact, that he uses tcl/tk, which I found most people don't use anymore. Nice surprise. I wasn't quite sure wether oraora was looking for books that gives more of a general overview of books that delve into the depth of unix internals. Anyway, here is my favorite on Unix internals (hence, the name of the book ;): UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers by Uresh Vahalia Eventhough it was published in 1995, it gives you a very good understanding about how things really work and why they work the way they do. Regards, Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Hately, Mike (NESL-IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Januar 2003 18:04 An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? If you want to understand how Oracle uses Unix get a copy of James Morle's Scaling Oracle. It's not a beginner's Unix book but it's accurate and detailed. regards, Mike Hately -Original Message- Sent: 06 January 2003 15:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't anyone read the manuals any more?! Oracle9i Installation Guide - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A96167_01/toc.htm Oracle9i Administrator's Reference - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A97297_01/toc.htm James Damiano [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] .nh.us cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/06/03 06:28 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I've found a wonderful resource in the following book: Oracle DBA on Unix and Linux by Michael Wessler http://www.samspublishing.com It covers some of the differences in features between 8i and 9i as well as handling the specifics of administrating Oracle specifically on Unix platforms. Highly recommended (at least by me). Jim Damiano Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: James Damiano INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hately, Mike (NESL-IT) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list
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Yes. This is also a very good book. I own an older version for Oracle 8.0.x, but I remember it to be pretty well written and concise. Another remark on Unix books for Oracle DBAs: My company got a copy of Oracle 9i Unix Adminstration Handbook by Don Burleson. It starts at the very beginnings of command line tools and the like, so I already knew that stuff. I was surprised how badly the book was reviewed by the editors (I guess), since there were so many (small but still) glitches in there, starting from the explanation of /etc/passwd to mixing up DOS command line tools and Unix ones. Nothing big, but if you are a total novice, these kind of things might be confusing and a professional book at the price of about 50 bucks shouldn't have that many mistakes. This is very unfortunate, since it is overall a very neat volumen. That almost reminds me of the Couchman OCP study guide. Your were ready to be certified by the time you were able to identify all the errors in the book and to correct them ;). Regards, Stefan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: AW: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
In addition to all the books already mentioned, I find following reference useful when dealing with multiple flavours of UNIX.. http://bhami.com/rosetta.html - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L wow, that was stupid of me !! UNIX System Administration Handbook (3rd Edition) by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass, Trent R. Hein Unix for Oracle DBAs Pocket Reference by Donald K. Burleson (I copied the ISBN from Amazon). Regards, Stefan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Don's book is very good. Highly recommend. RF --- Stefan Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, that was stupid of me !! UNIX System Administration Handbook (3rd Edition) by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass, Trent R. Hein Unix for Oracle DBAs Pocket Reference by Donald K. Burleson (I copied the ISBN from Amazon). Regards, Stefan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: John Sheraton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hi oraora I like this one as a general (but in depth) one for Unix Admins, because it has lots of real life stuff: Paperback: 896 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.30 x 9.23 x 7.06 Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR; ISBN: 0130206016; 3rd edition (August 2000) Also this little booklet for Oracle DBAs: Paperback: 104 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.33 x 7.04 x 4.50 Publisher: O'Reilly Associates; ISBN: 0596000669; 1st edition (May 2001) Regards, Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: oraora oraora [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Januar 2003 11:14 An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Oracle8i and Unix Performance Tuning by Ahmed Alomari --- oraora oraora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Stefan, would you mind posting the names of the books, as well as the authors? :) Rachel --- Stefan Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi oraora I like this one as a general (but in depth) one for Unix Admins, because it has lots of real life stuff: Paperback: 896 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.30 x 9.23 x 7.06 Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR; ISBN: 0130206016; 3rd edition (August 2000) Also this little booklet for Oracle DBAs: Paperback: 104 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.33 x 7.04 x 4.50 Publisher: O'Reilly Associates; ISBN: 0596000669; 1st edition (May 2001) Regards, Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: oraora oraora [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Januar 2003 11:14 An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
This is the latest one that I've seen. I have it and the parts that I've read are good. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072223049/qid%3D1041862110/sr%3D11-1 /ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-3312873-7713423 Oracle 9i UNIX Administration Handbook, by Don Burleson (ISBN 0072223049), 2002 David Wagoner Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: David Wagoner INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
I've found a wonderful resource in the following book: Oracle DBA on Unix and Linux by Michael Wessler http://www.samspublishing.com It covers some of the differences in features between 8i and 9i as well as handling the specifics of administrating Oracle specifically on Unix platforms. Highly recommended (at least by me). Jim Damiano Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: James Damiano INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: AW: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
Thanx Stefan. can u mention the title of the book please ? i would like to buy it as soon as possible ! TIA. Jp. On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 Stefan Jahnke wrote : Hi oraora I like this one as a general (but in depth) one for Unix Admins, because it has lots of real life stuff: Paperback: 896 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.30 x 9.23 x 7.06 Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR; ISBN: 0130206016; 3rd edition (August 2000) Also this little booklet for Oracle DBAs: Paperback: 104 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.33 x 7.04 x 4.50 Publisher: O'Reilly Associates; ISBN: 0596000669; 1st edition (May 2001) Regards, Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: oraora oraora [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 6. Januar 2003 11:14 An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
A second book you will find very helpful is from Sun... Configuration and Capacity Planning for Solaris Servers. Also, my Unix bookshelf has the following references.. The New Kornshell - Bolsky Korn PERL in a Nutshell - Siever sed awk - Dougherty UNIX Programming Tools - Johnson UNIX Unleashed (an excellent general reference) One other very valuable reference source is man on the UNIX servers. For finger tip reference I dump the man pages for sar, iostat, vmstat, glance (if you're on HP) plus the vi man pages. HTH. Regards, Bill Burke The Kinder and Gentler DBA www.OracleGuru.com www.KBMotorsports.biz -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle8i and Unix Performance Tuning by Ahmed Alomari --- oraora oraora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Burke, William F (Bill) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
Doesn't anyone read the manuals any more?! Oracle9i Installation Guide - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A96167_01/toc.htm Oracle9i Administrator's Reference - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A97297_01/toc.htm James Damiano [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] .nh.us cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/06/03 06:28 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I've found a wonderful resource in the following book: Oracle DBA on Unix and Linux by Michael Wessler http://www.samspublishing.com It covers some of the differences in features between 8i and 9i as well as handling the specifics of administrating Oracle specifically on Unix platforms. Highly recommended (at least by me). Jim Damiano Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: James Damiano INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
Hallo, What is manuals? TIA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't anyone read the manuals any more?! Oracle9i Installation Guide - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A96167_01/toc.htm Oracle9i Administrator's Reference - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A97297_01/toc.htm James Damiano [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] .nh.us cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/06/03 06:28 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I've found a wonderful resource in the following book: Oracle DBA on Unix and Linux by Michael Wessler http://www.samspublishing.com It covers some of the differences in features between 8i and 9i as well as handling the specifics of administrating Oracle specifically on Unix platforms. Highly recommended (at least by me). Jim Damiano Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: James Damiano INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
I like this one as a general (but in depth) one for Unix Admins, because it has lots of real life stuff: UNIX System Administration Handbook (3rd Edition) Paperback: 896 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.30 x 9.23 x 7.06 Publisher: Prentice Hall PTR; ISBN: 0130206016; 3rd edition (August 2000) Also this little booklet for Oracle DBAs: Unix for Oracle DBAs Pocket Reference Paperback: 104 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.33 x 7.04 x 4.50 Publisher: O'Reilly Associates; ISBN: 0596000669; 1st edition (May 2001) Regards, Stefan Amazing what a search on Amazon brings up :-) Craig ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the company. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses (www.mimesweeper.com) *** -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Healey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
And if you are running on Solaris, get Solaris Internals from Sun. Unix System Administartor Handbook is a good Unix book too. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle8i and Unix Performance Tuning by Ahmed Alomari --- oraora oraora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
If you want to understand how Oracle uses Unix get a copy of James Morle's Scaling Oracle. It's not a beginner's Unix book but it's accurate and detailed. regards, Mike Hately -Original Message- Sent: 06 January 2003 15:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't anyone read the manuals any more?! Oracle9i Installation Guide - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A96167_01/toc.htm Oracle9i Administrator's Reference - Unix http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/html/A97297_01/toc.htm James Damiano [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] .nh.us cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/06/03 06:28 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I've found a wonderful resource in the following book: Oracle DBA on Unix and Linux by Michael Wessler http://www.samspublishing.com It covers some of the differences in features between 8i and 9i as well as handling the specifics of administrating Oracle specifically on Unix platforms. Highly recommended (at least by me). Jim Damiano Guys, i know a bit of Linux.and not completely a newbie to Unix. Can u suggest me a good/best book for Unix ? ..Unix for oracle DBA. i.e,tuning unix for good performance of oracle. any such book available ? kindly let me know guys. TIA. Jp. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: James Damiano INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hately, Mike (NESL-IT) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: Unix for oracle dba -- Suggest a book ?
Thanx Mike. Had a look at the contents of the book. seems to be good. hope i will have a copy of it soon. Thanx once again. Regards, Jp. On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 Hately, Mike (NESL-IT) wrote : If you want to understand how Oracle uses Unix get a copy of James Morle's Scaling Oracle. It's not a beginner's Unix book but it's accurate and detailed. regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: oraora oraora INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hi Rafiq, I'll let him know :). From the great, great hospitality shown by Steve to Jonathan, Cary, Anjo, Howard, me and others this week here at the Database Forum I think it's safe to say that Steve is fine - but busy. Steve is a very impressive guy in many ways. But I guess he has to prioritise in order to make ends meet. He's also extremely helpful, so I don't think he's quitting lists like this one without being forced to :). Maybe - maybe - Steve will attend the Database Forum in Denmark in September. But he certainly will run the 3-day Miracle Master Class 2003 in January 2003 in Denmark. That should rock! Best regards, Mogens Mohammad Rafiq wrote: Mogens How is Steve Adam himself? Like other listers I am feeling his absence very much from this list. You may request on my behalf(or on behalf of other listers like myself) that he must participate in this list... Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:18:20 -0800 Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too. I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what? Mogens Hemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with Oracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. Hemant K Chitale http://hkchital.tripod.com - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about financing it. One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking in several respects. One of damagement's questions: What happens if we do nothing? Another was What's the ROI? PHB's abound. Jared On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hi Mogens, What I wouldn't do to be a fly on that wall. Oh, the interesting discussions to be had! :-) I too have thought long and hard about this industry trend, and it has remarkable ramifications that we should all be aware of. One implication that you don't mention is the clear advantages of the federated shared-nothing architecture Microsoft currently has the lead in versus the shared-disk solutions that Oracle is an expert in. With a federated approach, you can afford to use "disposable" servers and provide excellent scalability. With cheaper machinesand operating systems providing fantastic performance but substandard stability, a federated approach gets you out of the woods. I am hoping Oracle picks up on this soon. However, I would like to voice my opinion that there is precious little missing from Linux. It used to be that the filesystems were lagging, but we've gotten excellent (I do not use that term lightly) performance from SGI's XFS filesystem. IBM's JFS is also available, as are some native filesystems. We run Linux in production for many customers, and where we do run into trouble, it's almost never as a result of the Linux. We do occasionally have difficulties because the hardware subsystems are not well-chosen and tuned to each other, however. Interestingly, the one company created to solve this problem, VAResearch, no longer creates hardware because it couldn't find a market. This vacuum is being quickly filled in by IBM and Dell, however. Should a company be willing to spend a comparable amount annually with their Linux provider and their hardware provider that they would give to (for instance) Sun Support, I believe they could easily achieve comparable levels of hardware and software reliability than any other commercial unix. Cheers, Paul - Original Message - From: Mogens Nørgaard To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too.I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what?MogensHemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" ORACLE-L@fa tcity.comSent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.Stop making me de
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Unfortunately, I, and all of us, have seen the Pentium processors in MS-NT/2K. The general opinion of Pentium/P4 is in the context of MS operating systems. And these don't perform as well as *nix. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - From: Mogens Nørgaard To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, 28 May, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too.I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what?MogensHemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" ORACLE-L@fa tcity.comSent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.Stop making me defend NT!!Jared"Disser, Arno" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]05/23/2002 10:23 AMPlease respond to ORACLE-LTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:fororacle Here are my 0.02EURTurn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a seriousOracle DB-server?Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an productionenvironment?b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS?Arno Disser--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or th
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Should a company be willing to spend a comparable amount annually with their Linux provider and their hardware provider that they would give to (for instance) Sun Support, I believe they could easily achieve comparable levels of hardware and software reliability than any other commercial unix. Perhaps an extreme example, but the NIH/CDC's recently signed the papers on a supercomputer for the Seattle lab. The box has 1000+ Intel It. procssors, 1.8Tb of core (no typo: Tera) and runs linux. For $23M you can have one too :-) The fact that people are using linux for something this heavy duty is interesting. The main reasons for choosing the O/S were scaleability, reliability, and support. Similar results came up from the DoD's recent software audit: they got better results for many app's from open source code than proprietary -- Billy wan't pleased in the least. Regardless of *NIX debates, linux is proving out as a nice, stable platform for cheap, reliable federated systems. -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steven Lembark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Mogens How is Steve Adam himself? Like other listers I am feeling his absence very much from this list. You may request on my behalf(or on behalf of other listers like myself) that he must participate in this list... Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:18:20 -0800 Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too. I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what? Mogens Hemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with Oracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. Hemant K Chitale http://hkchital.tripod.com - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about financing it. One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking in several respects. One of damagement's questions: What happens if we do nothing? Another was What's the ROI? PHB's abound. Jared On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too. I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what? Mogens Hemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" ORACLE-L@fa tcity.comSent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.Stop making me defend NT!!Jared"Disser, Arno" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]05/23/2002 10:23 AMPlease respond to ORACLE-LTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EURTurn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server?Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an productionenvironment?b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS?Arno Disser--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for ot her information (like subscribing). --Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http:/
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
its not a unix processor versus intel processor, i think its more a OS decision. I run all of my stuff on intel processors, just linux not windoze :) joe Mogens Nørgaard wrote: Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too. I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what? Mogens Hemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with Oracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. Hemant K Chitale http://hkchital.tripod.com - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ORACLE-L@fa tcity.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about financing it. One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking in several respects. One of damagement's questions: What happens if we do nothing? Another was What's the ROI? PHB's abound. Jared On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
OK, I'll bite... A P4 can run circles around an Alpha? I think not... The Intel processors are not winning the technical battle, butIntel Corporation iswinning the battle with the bean-counters and the MBAs. In a world where CIOs seriously consider outsourcing the entire IT department of their company at every turn, what Intel is doing is using similar logic to convince its competitors that resistance is futile, and why not let us build your processors for you? If technical prowess and long-term company viability were even a consideration at Compaq as opposed to showing near-term benefits to the financial bottom-line, would the Alpha product line have been sold to Intel? Since that company wasconsidering acquisitionby another that had already decided to scuttle it's own PA-RISC chip, what factors would you think influenced that decision? Is it a coincidence that the Alpha sale to Intel was announcedsome 60 daysbefore the Compaq sale to HP? Are the Alpha, PA-RISC, and PowerPC chips being scuttled because Intel chips are better, orbecauseIntel chipsarejust nearlygoodenough?Have these manufacturers (Compaq, HP, and IBM)been convinced that the emphasis on differentiation between CPUs is "so 20th century", and why not focus on other things? Like finding other creative ways to squeeze worker productivity higher and make one's company more attractive to buyout... Whoops! Better stop now... - Original Message - From: Mogens Nørgaard To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too.I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what?MogensHemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" ORACLE-L@fa tcity.comSent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.Stop making me defend NT!!Jared"Disser, Arno" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]05/23/2002 10:23 AMPlease respond to ORACLE-LTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:fororacle Here are my 0.02EURTurn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a seriousOracle DB-server?Okay, for some minor development perha
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with Oracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. Hemant K Chitale http://hkchital.tripod.com - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about financing it. One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking in several respects. One of damagement's questions: What happens if we do nothing? Another was What's the ROI? PHB's abound. Jared On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
He! I just said we are running NT and it works, mostly. I never claimed I liked it. I would much prefer being on Solaris. Jared On Sunday 26 May 2002 09:23, Hemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with Oracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. Hemant K Chitale http://hkchital.tripod.com - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about financing it. One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking in several respects. One of damagement's questions: What happens if we do nothing? Another was What's the ROI? PHB's abound. Jared On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Open your eyes then.. It *can* cope with these types of apps - as many have said here already, it just takes the right admin.. -Original Message- Chitale Sent: 24 May 2002 16:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Please check the metalink doc Note:46001.1 which gives complete details about 2 Gigs memory addressing by oracle. Cheers, RS --- Ron Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, I do not know if it is still valid but here is part of a message from 05/2000 that talked about the 4GB on NT. With Oracle 8.1.6 on NT there is an option to allow you to use all of the 4 GIG as noted in the 8I Administrators Guide for Windows NT section 10. 4GB RAM Tuning (4GT) for windows NT server, Enterprise Edition. More information can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ntserverenterprise/exec/feature/4gbt.asp Ron ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/02 12:33PM Number of users. I have a 170G Oracle 8.1.6 database running on WinNT 4.0 with 3xx of RAM just fine, as long as there are no more than 2 users. Jump up to about 16 users and response time goes down the tube. So I guess that transactions are the answer. I don't have any benchmarks. Just my $.02. JOE TESTA JTESTA To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L @longaberger. [EMAIL PROTECTED] com cc: Sent by: rootSubject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle 05/23/2002 09:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
And server reboots. Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Open your eyes then.. It *can* cope with these types of apps - as many have said here already, it just takes the right admin.. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Apologies to all NT-ophiles out there, but REALLY, this afternoon, you can kiss my milky white ass. Lee, having a rather bad NT-centric afternoon -Original Message- Sent: 24 May 2002 16:39 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Open your eyes then.. It *can* cope with these types of apps - as many have said here already, it just takes the right admin.. -Original Message- Chitale Sent: 24 May 2002 16:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about financing it. One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking in several respects. One of damagement's questions: What happens if we do nothing? Another was What's the ROI? PHB's abound. Jared On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
PHB's abound. Who are PHB's? (Just kidding, don't worry, I'm not trying to move to the damagement. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hey Joe: I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the installation and update processes for software upgrades. I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it is a subjective decision when to switch. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
Re:so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
When you get started. Never, in my book, use NT for anything other than a sandbox. Dick Goulet Sworn ANTI MicroSoft warrior. Reply Separator Author: JOE TESTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/23/2002 5:48 AM A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=windows-1252 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4913.1100 name=GENERATOR/HEAD BODY style=MARGIN-TOP: 2px; FONT: 10pt Times New Roman; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px DIVA question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle./DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVIs it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db?/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVjust looking for some ball park answers./DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVthanks, joe/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV/BODY/HTML -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Joe, Please locate the flack jacket and wrap it security around your body. You are about to get a barrage of comments ranging from ASAP, to fix what you have. I would suggest that sense you asked the question that there must be something in the wind at your location that would cause you to consider the move. If in your opinion the time is near for the move then that is the answer. If OS problems or support is the problem then I would suggest that you dig deeply into the alternatives and come up with a solution that is acceptable to you and the company. Companies just can' afford to move to a different platform if there are reasonable methods to correct what's wrong. Personally, I would start when you have a viable road map laid out and a buy in from the purse strings. Ron. ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/02 09:48AM A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
First things first Joe - forget NT and use Win2K!! When memory needs become greater than 3gig,. When reliability is *essential* (24*7). Security is essential (yea yea they *say* it's secure - but...) Mark === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance -Original Message- Sent: 23 May 2002 14:48 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hello Joe I think that the main reason is response time. An NT machine can get only 4 CPUs. If you have all the CPUs and memory and the NT does not carry the load then it is time to consider a change. A change can be to Unix or to clustering. If you are all NT shop then I would consider clustering. In a mixed shop the move to Unix is easier, otherwise you will also need system administrator and have learning curve. Just my 0.02$ Yechiel AdarMehish - Original Message - From: JOE TESTA To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Number of users. I have a 170G Oracle 8.1.6 database running on WinNT 4.0 with 3xx of RAM just fine, as long as there are no more than 2 users. Jump up to about 16 users and response time goes down the tube. So I guess that transactions are the answer. I don't have any benchmarks. Just my $.02. JOE TESTA JTESTA To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L @longaberger.[EMAIL PROTECTED] com cc: Sent by: rootSubject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle 05/23/2002 09:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Can you afford non-scheduled reboots? If no, don't even think of NT/2000. **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of DE except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
here we go again - NT bashing. I will say again, NT is a perfectly fine platform if it is being administered by a competent NT Admin, and it is dedicated to runing only Oracle. there. I feel better. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can you afford non-scheduled reboots? If no, don't even think of NT/2000. **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of DE except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Steven, not quite, I dont run NT anywhere, exclusively linux both on laptop and at home. (feel free to see the headers in this email). I'm asking for my partner who(unfortunately) is dealing with NT, my answer to him is convert to unix :) joe Karniotis, Stephen wrote: Hey Joe: I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the installation and update processes for software upgrades. I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it is a subjective decision when to switch. */ Thank You/* * Stephen P. Karniotis* Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:_www.compuware.com_ -Original Message- *From:* JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L *Subject:* so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe *The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.* -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Steven, not quite, I dont run NT anywhere, exclusively linux both on laptop and at home. (feel free to see the headers in this email). I'm asking for my partner who(unfortunately) is dealing with NT, my answer to him is convert to unix :) joe Karniotis, Stephen wrote: Hey Joe: I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the installation and update processes for software upgrades. I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it is a subjective decision when to switch. */ Thank You/* * Stephen P. Karniotis* Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:_www.compuware.com_ -Original Message- *From:* JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L *Subject:* so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe *The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.* -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
First time to this topic. I am not an Oracle expert like all of you. But I have been using w2k since 1999 and haven't had any of the problem that you mention. I agree with Tomas if it is well administered and only for this purpose you won't have problem. Note: Not everybody has 200 GB in his company. Ramon E. Estevez - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:19 PM Steven, not quite, I dont run NT anywhere, exclusively linux both on laptop and at home. (feel free to see the headers in this email). I'm asking for my partner who(unfortunately) is dealing with NT, my answer to him is convert to unix :) joe Karniotis, Stephen wrote: Hey Joe: I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the installation and update processes for software upgrades. I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it is a subjective decision when to switch. */ Thank You/* * Stephen P. Karniotis* Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:_www.compuware.com_ -Original Message- *From:* JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L *Subject:* so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe *The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.* -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ramon E. Estevez INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
I'd agree that Windows can run reliably - if administered appropriately and the server is dedicated to single (or very few) tasks. Uptimes of 300 days (whilst not at all earth shattering compared to VMS, Unix and others) are possible and repeatable. Database uptimes of 3 figures are possible and in our case get affected by application upgrades / database configuration changes. And the above is with NT4. If you want better uptime use W2K - 1 good reason is that it can (with correct controllers) support adding disks without an OS reboot. Sounds trivial for VMS and probably Unix but it can't be done (at least not easily) with NT4. BUT, While ever the admin believes it won't be reliable it probably won't be. Joe - did you find the reason for running out of memory? Are they using PQO and 8171x by any chance? We have had memory issues but they were due to Oracle bugs rather than due to OS (Windows) issues. There are stable and there are unstable Windows servers / sites. There are also stable and there are unstable VMS (/Unix/...) servers / sites. Does the site have good Windows admins? Are they planning on becoming good Windows admins? If the answer to both of the above is no and they do have good Unix admins then maybe they should consider moving to Unix. Someone else said Windows can only have 4 CPUs - this is incorrect. It may be that it won't scale linearly above x CPUs (I have never tried) but it can certainly run with 32 (and maybe more). Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 24 May 2002 6:55 here we go again - NT bashing. I will say again, NT is a perfectly fine platform if it is being administered by a competent NT Admin, and it is dedicated to runing only Oracle. there. I feel better. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:03 PM Can you afford non-scheduled reboots? If no, don't even think of NT/2000. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. Stop making me defend NT!! Jared Disser, Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 10:23 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
As soon as you've put down the sledgehammer. JOE TESTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 06:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Tru64 Unix and Oracle
Hi all, I am new to the Tru64 flavor of Unix and would like to find out if there are kernal parameters that need to be set for Oracle (similar to the shm parameters on SUN)? Also, I would like to know if there are any other differences in terms of an Oracle installation on Tru64. TIA, Michele Armstrong -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Tru64 Unix and Oracle
Michele - Tru64? Talk about fighting for deck chairs on the Titanic. Great box, given us really solid service, too bad it never achieved the market share it deserved. Yes, there are kernel parameters similar to Sun, but obviously different. Look in the Oracle Tru64 Installation Guide under the Pretasks section. If you end up with specific questions, I can forward them to our system administrator. If you have other applications on the same system that also require kernel changes, then you have some challenges. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, I am new to the Tru64 flavor of Unix and would like to find out if there are kernal parameters that need to be set for Oracle (similar to the shm parameters on SUN)? Also, I would like to know if there are any other differences in terms of an Oracle installation on Tru64. TIA, Michele Armstrong -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
This is great information Raj. I've run a test that is completely consistent with this. For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches item in the left menu. Then choose product family Oracle Server and product RDBMS Server, release 9.0.1.3. Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and choose All Product Patches. Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun list is quite lengthy compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP list has significantly more patches (15 entries). For me, this is a significant decision influencer when choosing a platform for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the performance race... :-) Tough one. Thanks again, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:32 PM Paul , ORACLE switched from solaris to HP-UX somewhere in mid 2000 for their tier I platform. ALso I think at this time compaq and HP are the only true 64 bit architectures available. That of course swings the scale in HPs favour...:) Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please
RE: Re[2]: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Yes, let's not miss an opportunity to remind Evil Bill of his contribution to the wonderful world of UNIX. Xenix/286... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice J Sent: 04 April 2002 21:09 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? How about XENIX? : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Morle INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Paul, I am glad you are on your way to 'controlled molecular restructuring and HP-iozation' (??!) ..;) Mind telling me What made you say HP's is losing performance race..? I am on HP mid level (N class) 4 way server 64 bit and our Database is 210 Gigs High end OLTP database with 12 TPS and severe response time restrictions(1 sec or less.) I am beating the response time by several milliseconds and I haven't even maxed out the processors yet...!! HTH Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great information Raj. I've run a test that is completely consistent with this. For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches item in the left menu. Then choose product family Oracle Server and product RDBMS Server, release 9.0.1.3. Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and choose All Product Patches. Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun list is quite lengthy compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP list has significantly more patches (15 entries). For me, this is a significant decision influencer when choosing a platform for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the performance race... :-) Tough one. Thanks again, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:32 PM Paul , ORACLE switched from solaris to HP-UX somewhere in mid 2000 for their tier I platform. ALso I think at this time compaq and HP are the only true 64 bit architectures available. That of course swings the scale in HPs favour...:) Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --
RE: Re[2]: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ___ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of SchlumbergerSema. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the SchlumbergerSema Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. ___ -- Please
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Dick, I agree completely with your #1. We run on all of these platforms here (the Linux is running off my desktop). I have not had any Oracle support calls on the AIX system, but it is a very lightly used db. IBM's hw support response is awesome though. I put it above HP's which is pretty good for our area. (Location caveat: I am in Sioux Falls, SD - ANY call will most likely be a minimum of 4HRS wait probably 8 depending on the vendor). I haven't dealt with Sun support here. As mentioned in other posts, I am my support for Linux. We met with Oracle and HP reps back in 2001. They did confirm that HP is the development platform for Oracle, and that 64bit is being worked on both the PA-RISC and IA64 processors on HP. So... 1. HP 2. AIX (fast hw support in the boonies is cool) 3. Sun (Have fits with ksh on Sun it doesn't work the same as the other two) 4. Linux (May move up if had 3rd party 7X24 support available) Rodd Holman On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 14:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck with Linux here. I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Hi Raj, list Few systems running Oracle require market-leading performance to function well. (There are some, don't get me wrong.) So I believe that even if an architecture is slower it can be more appropriate if it's priced right and has other important characteristics. Also, the highest-end machines of the slowest architecture can easily stomp on the mid-range machines of the other architectures. We all agree on that. However, it's my understanding (eager to learn!) that HP is still losing in overall CPU performance to IBM, Sun and Digital/Compaq as a result of the neglect the PA-RISC architecture suffered at the hands of Rick Belluzo. I know that HP has reinvested vast sums of money into it because of the IA-64 delays, but last I heard it had improved things dramatically but not yet enough. Here are some references. Again, I'm very interested in this subject as I'm often called upon to recommend hardware purchases and platform selections. :-) From http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2149/swol-0119-flavors/ (where the other suspects are also reviewed) Hewlett-Packard HP-UX Current release: HP-UX 11i Platform: HP 9000 servers Standard: Unix 95 Application score: 9 out of 10 Advantages: HP has a solid reputation for reliability and service; HP-UX comes with a substantial OS bundle including a Web server, C/C++, Windows networking, WAP (Wireless Application Protocol) services, Linux APIs, iPlanet directory server, and Veritas file system. Disadvantages: HP PA-RISC architecture is falling behind in performance relative to the competition. Prognosis: Hewlett-Packard is the Volvo of IT: It quietly churns out ugly, bulletproof boxes that virtually care for themselves. HP is rarely first or fastest, but it packs enormous value into its Unix products. Not surprisingly, HP-UX is almost Linux-like in its completeness, with time-proven enterprise tools and services included in the bundle. HP's inclusion of the Veritas journaling file system moves HP-UX 11i to the front of the pack. Once HP catches up to rivals' performance and certifies HP-UX as Unix 98-compliant, it could move ahead of Sun and IBM. from... http://www.chipcenter.com/eexpert/dgilbert/dgilbert050.html Hewlett Packard was the first manufacturer to pursue the advantages of using Intel chips in both 32-bit and 64-bit system architectures, and they played a vital role in the development of the new Itanium architecture. This path was taken to get away from pouring more money into their PA-RISC chips, among other reasons. Now the only two players left in the 64-bit RISC game are IBM and Sun Microsystems. IBM has effectively unlimited staying power since they can perform all levels of chip design and production in-house. Sun Microsystems does not enjoy this autonomy since they outsource their manufacturing to Texas Instruments, and it is likely that this factor may ultimately hinder their ability to continue providing their own architecture of RISC processor for the server and workstation market. Is it just a matter of time before we are left with Intel and IBM? Will the RISC architecture be able to carry forward in the server and workstation market? And although this following article has a IBM bias (because of the association with Apple Computer), it's an interesting read that covers the history of the PA/IA-64 fiasco well: http://www.macedition.net/soup/soup_20020318.php Cheers, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:48 AM Paul, I am glad you are on your way to 'controlled molecular restructuring and HP-iozation' (??!) ..;) Mind telling me What made you say HP's is losing performance race..? I am on HP mid level (N class) 4 way server 64 bit and our Database is 210 Gigs High end OLTP database with 12 TPS and severe response time restrictions(1 sec or less.) I am beating the response time by several milliseconds and I haven't even maxed out the processors yet...!! HTH Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great information Raj. I've run a test that is completely consistent with this. For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches item in the left menu. Then choose product family Oracle Server and product RDBMS Server, release 9.0.1.3. Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and choose All Product Patches. Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun list is quite lengthy compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP list has significantly more patches (15 entries). For me, this is a significant decision influencer when choosing a platform for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the performance race... :-) Tough one. Thanks again, Paul ---
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Oh, you miss installing an OS from 96 floppy disks? There's usually a bad disk once you pass #90. Jared On Friday 05 April 2002 06:53, James Morle wrote: Yes, let's not miss an opportunity to remind Evil Bill of his contribution to the wonderful world of UNIX. Xenix/286... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice J Sent: 04 April 2002 21:09 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? How about XENIX? : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Nice to hear from you Walt. I'd begun to think you'd crashed your sailplane into the side of a mountain or something. :) Jared On Friday 05 April 2002 09:08, Weaver, Walt wrote: As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck with Linux here. I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Nope, just been in major lurk mode for the past few months. :) --Walt -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Weaver, Walt Nice to hear from you Walt. I'd begun to think you'd crashed your sailplane into the side of a mountain or something. :) Jared On Friday 05 April 2002 09:08, Weaver, Walt wrote: As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck with Linux here. I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Linux is nice but there are some sites that would not pass. I do not think I would ever use Linux on a site that needs 99.999% uptime. However, that is mostly a need for unbelievable hardware and automated fail over capabilities. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I would like to bring another angle to this debate. I have used Oracle on Solaris since 1992 without a hitch. I have used Oracle on Sparc 1 to ultra sparc 4400 with 12 processors. Never had much problems. Before that I have run it on ATT UNIX large scale servers without any difficulties. I have also worked in shops where the clients had AIX and VMS running Oracle and I did not hear much problems there either. I had a person working for me who used to support Oracle on a HP and constantly had problems with one thing or the other. Sometime it was hardware and sometime it was software. I am sure HP may have some problems but they can not be so bad, otherwise they would be out of business. So my point is, it all depends on who is doing the job. If you know what you are doing and do the job right, even if there are some problems, you can make the system run fairly trouble free. Shakir --- Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux is nice but there are some sites that would not pass. I do not think I would ever use Linux on a site that needs 99.999% uptime. However, that is mostly a need for unbelievable hardware and automated fail over capabilities. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network
WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / DeveloperCivilian IT DepartmentHavelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara TurkeyPhone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA.
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Vallee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Anyone use Linux for Sparc with an Oracle db on top? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -Original Message- From: Paul Vallee [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Vallee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
HP-UX Stable, Do you like patches? SolarisPopular, Good for the resume. AIXNo experience with this, Is that really UNIX? Linux Free + You get coolness points. IMHO... of course! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Vallee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). * * * * * Freedom of Information Act Notice * * * * * The information in this email is subject to the record protection mandated by 5 United States Code 552 (b) (4) and relevant judicial opinions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Edward INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Bunyamin, Here we go again! (Raj - this _is_ a war!!) My preference is: 1. AIX 2. HP-UX 3. Solaris Ultimately, it is a question of how much $$$ - now (purchase), later (maintenance costs), and how much when it goes down. I have managed about 150 AIX boxes at one time, and have not had H/w based difficulties running them. And still managed 6 Solaris boxes at the same time and had major headaches with the H/W... YMMV! -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Raj, I have to agree with your order here. I've seen horrendous problems with Sun OS upgrades and Sun hardware. HP has been rock-solid. AIX is well, AIX - 'nuff said. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Considering there's no binaries for it, I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find one! :) I'm just happy I got a thin client running on my Alpha/Linux box at home. :D Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Orr, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Anyone use Linux for Sparc with an Oracle db on top? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
True... but we had no one here to support it... granted I would love to learn how but I was slated to be the dba and developer on the project, I couldn't take on a third role too (that is completely new to me) Besides anything non-Windows would be out of my hands in production. Which IRKS THE CRAP out of me. Welcome to my (frustrating) job -Original Message- From: Jesse, Rich [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Cheap? LINUX, LINUX, LINUX! Even if you have a RedHat (or whoever) support contract to offset an M$ one, there are *NO* %@$^%#@#$% licensing fees! You'll SAVE money! :) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
