RE: Gaping holes found in Oracle 8i (patch 1654631 info)
I just wanted to say THANK YOU to everyone who posted on this. I see a patch installation in my near future... -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 5:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Ian, Per MetaLink info on the patches: Reason for Obsolescence This patch is being withdrawn because of a regression of bug 1654631 which is fixed as bug 1814117 . The patch will be made available again with the new fix included as soon as possible. BTW, when the new patch is released it can be applied over the old patch if that one was already installed. HTH, -- Anita --- MacGregor, Ian A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why was it obsoleted? Did the patch contain a bug? Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Acclerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: A. Bardeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:34 PM To: MacGregor, Ian A.; LazyDBA.com Discussion; ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Gaping holes found in Oracle 8i (patch 1654631 info) Patch 1654631 has been obsoleted in favor of patch 1814117. 1814117 is listed in metalink as obsoleted, but it will be replaced shortly (expected date is Monday, 07/02/2001). The patch will be released for the following versions: 8.1.7.1, 8.1.6.3, 8.1.6.2 and 8.1.6.1. For any platforms that have 5 digit patchsets as the latest patchset (ex. 8.1.6.3.2 64-bit on HP-UX 11) I expect that it will be released for the latest patchset. These patches will not require passwords, the way other PSE's do. HTH, -- Anita --- MacGregor, Ian A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is true. Patches are available via Metalink. Yesterday the only patches available were for the latest release levels. For instance, there is a patch for 8.1.6.3 but not 8.1.6.0 through 8.1.6.2; there is a patch for 8.1.7.1 but not 8.1.7.0. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thye Hock Gan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:19 AM To: LazyDBA.com Discussion Subject: Re: Gaping holes found in Oracle 8i This is not some prank, is it? Do you know the link to the patches? --- Kavi Zaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Check this out- http://www.itnews.com.au/story.cfm?ID=7091#top Any thought please share. Thanks Kavi Zaman Oracle documentation is here: http://tahiti.oracle.com/pls/tahiti/tahiti.homepage To unsubscribe: send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe: send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the list archive: http://www.LAZYDBA.com/odbareadmail.pl Tell yer mates about http://www.farAwayJobs.com By using this list you agree to these terms:http://www.lazydba.com/legal.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Oracle documentation is here: http://tahiti.oracle.com/pls/tahiti/tahiti.homepage To unsubscribe: send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe: send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the list archive: http://www.LAZYDBA.com/odbareadmail.pl Tell yer mates about http://www.farAwayJobs.com By using this list you agree to these terms:http://www.lazydba.com/legal.html Oracle documentation is here: http://tahiti.oracle.com/pls/tahiti/tahiti.homepage To unsubscribe: send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe: send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the list archive: http://www.LAZYDBA.com/odbareadmail.pl Tell yer mates about http://www.farAwayJobs.com By using this list you agree to these terms:http://www.lazydba.com/legal.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: A. Bardeen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX
RE: Client Connection-SQLNET and?/or? ODBC.
Hello James, Every ODBC connection I've seen or used has connected through SQL Net (i.e,., app-odbc-sqlnet-database). But ODBC isn't really my area of expertise... Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear DBA Colleagues, Please pardon me if this question is a bit elementary, but this concerns applications connecting to Oracle. Most of our Oracle Apps are PowerBuilder-based such that we use the appropriate PowerBuilder DLLs and SQLNET on the Client to connect up to SQLNET and the Oracle RDBMS on the server. A new application we are proposing to build is Web-based, with Browser clients connecting to a Linux (Red Hat 7.x) machine running Apache and Cold Fusion. This Linux machine will then act as a client, connecting to the Oracle 8i RDBMS running on a Compaq (DEC) Alpha with Digital Unix Version 5. On the Linux box, we will of course need to specify the Cold Fusion DLLs to allow connection to the Oracle 8i Database. But my issue is this: On the Linux machine running as the client, if we do ODBC, do we need to do SQLNET (Net 8) as well? I.E. What is it on the client that actually makes the connection to the SQLNET (Net 8) running on the server: - ODBC itselfor - ODBC through SQLNET? Thanks very much in advance! Jim Damiano Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Damiano INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
A danger in cloning databases
Many of you probably know this already, but it took me by surprise (and caused no end of grief) so I thought I'd warn people. I cloned our 8.0.4 production database onto another machine for some testing we were doing (copy of entire Oracle filesystem, copied hot backup over) and started it up with no problems. What I didn't realize when I ran my shutdown script (which also stops the listener) was that I hadn't changed the hostname in listener.ora. It stopped the listener on the production box! Had you asked me before this happened I wouldn't have expected it to work that way, but a number of irate users and managers testify to the fact that it does. I restarted the listener as soon as anyone thought to notify me of the problem (it says something about the processes here that it was 45 minutes after I restarted the listener that that our Help Desk contacted me me about the problem, I first heard about it from a developer). Sigh, learn something new every day. Hope someone out there benefits from my mistake. Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
I don't usually read the OT posts but I glanced at this while deleting stuff. Apologies if anyone already supplied the correct quote. What Al Gore said was 'While in the Senate I played a major role in creating the internet'. Apparently he was a major sponsor a author of the bills that transformed arpanet into the more commercially oriented internet. I used to have links that traced the evolution of that entirely truthful quote to 'I invented the internet' but dropped most of them after the election. I could probably track them down again in the unlikely event anyone was interested :). I think it was Wired magazine that first used the word 'invented'. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes, the statement is different, but just based on the words in the sentence. Playing a role in inventing!= inventing. Odd thing about words: they mean something. Hell, I play a role in the community on this listserv. I am certain Jared and Esteemed Company would make the semantic mistake of thinking I AM the community on this listserv. Unless, of course, I were in Florida, where votes don't count. G JUST KIDDING! God Bless the Appointed President, and the minority that voted for him! -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 6/21/2001 6:28 PM And this statement is ANY better??? I use Software that Powers the Internet therefore I guess I, in a way, run the darn thing. :) God bless the electoral college! Chuck Speaks, MCSE Database Administrator Lithonia Lighting 770-922-9000 x3450 http://www.lithonia.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L nope, he said I played a role in inventing the Internet -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I thought he invented the internet. Just ask him. The best line was I knew Jack Kennedy and You are no Jack Kennedy said by Loyd Benson to Dan Quayle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/01 05:13PM :), actually if you parrot Gore, it would be I played a role in inventing certifications. The devil is in forgetting the details! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Speaks, Chuck W. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network
RE: A danger in cloning databases
Immediately after this happened I thought of that and removed all other entries from tnsnames.ora so database links wouldn't work (and of course changed the reference for the local entry). -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And watch out for any database links that points to other production servers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/11/01 12:27PM Another thing to watch are the dbms_job entries, especially ones which interact with other databases. For example a job which pulls data from another database and writes back to that database the success of its efforts. If this job were to run in the clone, it might perform this task before the real database does. Jobs such as these should first check to see that they are running on the proper database before executing. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Many of you probably know this already, but it took me by surprise (and caused no end of grief) so I thought I'd warn people. I cloned our 8.0.4 production database onto another machine for some testing we were doing (copy of entire Oracle filesystem, copied hot backup over) and started it up with no problems. What I didn't realize when I ran my shutdown script (which also stops the listener) was that I hadn't changed the hostname in listener.ora. It stopped the listener on the production box! Had you asked me before this happened I wouldn't have expected it to work that way, but a number of irate users and managers testify to the fact that it does. I restarted the listener as soon as anyone thought to notify me of the problem (it says something about the processes here that it was 45 minutes after I restarted the listener that that our Help Desk contacted me me about the problem, I first heard about it from a developer). Sigh, learn something new every day. Hope someone out there benefits from my mistake. Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: can i place online redologs with oracle engine ?
Hi, That's exactly what we did when we moved to a new box and got to design the disk layout however we liked. Getting the redo logs to not be striped with the datafiles enabled us to more than double transaction load in load testing (to such an extent that I started getting Checkpoint Not Complete errors and had to increase the log file size). Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L infact i should have been more clearer offcourse i can place them on any disk..the reason i asked was... how much IO does the root + oracle engine do when an instance is running...? and given no other choice, i plan to place them with root+oracle rather than with some data or indexes. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:54 PM To: Rahul; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re:can i place online redologs with oracle engine ? Rahul, You can put them just about anywhere you want, but since they tend to be a high IO item you may end up paying a price. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:can i place online redologs with oracle engine ? Author: Rahul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/5/2001 1:16 AM list, i cannot spare a separate drive for the redologs, can i place the online logs with the same drive as the solaris + oracle engine ? (m,y solaris and oralce are also on the same drive) TIA Rahul -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rahul INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rahul INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: DB Backup Question
We don't back up the filesystems that have the live data during our tape backups. Since these files are effectively unusable there's no point in saving them. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, We are running into tape capacity problems and unix admin came to me asking if we could skip backing up some drives. Right now we are doing hot backups on all production databases to disk and then the whole server get backed up to tape. Since the backups for open database files are not valid, the unix admin asked if we could only backup the drives that has the backup dumps. One side of me says this can be done but another nagging side of me is not sure about this. So I am posting this to the list and see what other folks think of this one. Thanks Dennis Meng Database Administrator Focal Communications 847-954-8328 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Listener Security !!
If you still have the mail, this topic was discussed after I posted under: A Danger in Cloning Databases when I brought my production listener down after cloning a test database :( -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi All !! Today I came across a typical Hole in Listener Security. If you have lsnrctl utility (or Database installation) at one Box, then you can stop the listener on another Box. Just change the parameter file (listener.ora) to have hostname of another (may be production server) box. Now goto lsnrctl and fire stop command. you would notice that the local listener is running but the remote listener is down... This is more serious issue on platforms like Unix and VMS where you can control listener (locally) only if you are a member of DBA group. This means that Listener doesn't have any cross OS check in it Is this a known issue/bug. Any-ideas, any patches? Oracle Corp guys, what you say? Waiting for you views.. Rajesh OC DBA 88i -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: how to run explain plan on SP???
One idea would be to start SQL Trace for your session, execute the stored procedure, stop SQL Trace. That will create a trace file in your udump directory which you can format using TKPROF to include the explain plan for each SQL statement executed. E.g., tkprof x.trc formattedfile.txt sys=no explain=username/password Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Can anyone show me how to run explain plan on a whole stored procedure? 815 on Sun 5.6. Thanks a lot. Leslie __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Leslie Lu INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ERROR IN INSTALING PATCH 8.1.6.3.0
We had a similar problem when installing the patchset for Oracle Client on Windows. We ended up renaming each existing .dll (.dll.old) and continuing. Worked fine. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Had a similar problem with a diff. set of files when installing patch 8.1.7.1.0b and that was on AIX. Just removed the offending files which gave a similar error to allow the patch to write a new file and it worked for us. No problems encountered so far, though I would not hesitate to say that it was a wrong practice, but took a chance and it worked. If you have backed up your systems correctly as recommended, I would say go for it. Satish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/01 02:58PM For what purpose u are installing this patch let me know From: Harvinder Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ERROR IN INSTALING PATCH 8.1.6.3.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:45:24 -0800 Hi, I am trying to install patch 8.1.6.3.0 on WIN 2 and i am getting error: Error in writing to file f:\ORACLE\ORA81\BIN\ORANCDS8.DLL..and if i ignore this error the same error comes for other DLL...Oracle is shutdown properly and there is no service running of Oracle. What might be the reason. Thanks Harvinder -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Harvinder Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Tuning question - Why did this index help so much?
The other week a new production process was running much more slowly than anticipated. A file needed to be sent out by 6:00pm and at the rate the table was being populated it wouldn't complete until around 9:30pm. The production people and developers came to me for help and I saw that the SQL Explain Plan that was usually being executed (this would run a few million times) was something like select a.col1,a.col2,a.col3,b.col2 from a, b where a.col4=b.col1 and a.col5=:b1 nested loops table a index a1 (unique) table b index b1 (range) This looked pretty good, but it occurred to me that only one column was being selected from table b, so if I added a index (b2) that combined col1 and col2 to table b then it wouldn't be necessary to read table b at all, all the information would be in index b2. This resulted in a plan of: nested loops table a index a1 (unique) index b1 (range) I did so on the fly (this was only a 4,000 row table so it took almost no time to create the index). I anticipated that it would cut about 25% off the processing time (only 3/4 as many block reads). Instead it cut about 75% off the processing time causing it to finish at 5:45 (I was a hero to the developers and production people, but had to warn them not to tell their management about it since I could get in trouble for not following the Change Control Process). My question is, where did the additional 50% efficiency come from? What am I missing? I'm glad it worked so well, but would like to understand why... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: both dbms_stats dbms_utility are gathering stats on sys obj
Yep. That's what we do also.
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objects
Well, first of all, you could use dbms_utility.analyze_schema() and analyze
all the schemas except SYS ... or couldn't you run
dbms_utility.analyze_database() and then
dbms_utility.analyze_schema('SYS','DELETE') to remove SYS's stats. What
about one of those?
Jon Walthour
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Both DBMS_STATS.GATHER_DATABASE_STATS and DBMS_UTILITY.ANALYZE_DATABASE
are
gathering statistics on sys objects. As per oracle, we shouldn't analyze
the objects owned by sys.
When I searched on metalink, I found the following information provided by
oracle tech support.
filed bug 969814 against DBMS_UTILITY.ANALYZE_DATABASE which was not
excluding these tables.
This bug is fixed in 8.1.7.
I did my tests on 8.1.7 database on hp-ux. Apparently it is not fixed on
8.1.7.0.0.
Is it fixed in later releases? I appreciate your comments.
Best regards,
Prasad
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RE: Tuning question - Why did this index help so much?
Kirti made a similar suggestion. But I had done a select count(*) on the table so that all the table rows would be loaded into memory. I suppose that the index blocks might not have been, but even there the likelihood that any given one of the million plus reads wouldn't find one of the 4,000 rows in memory seems rather small. Hmm, is it possible to Cache an index? I just tried an ALTER INDEX xxx CACHE; command and it didn't work. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's possible that the index was small enough to stay cached in the SGA? From: Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tuning question - Why did this index help so much? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:31:28 -0800 The other week a new production process was running much more slowly than anticipated. A file needed to be sent out by 6:00pm and at the rate the table was being populated it wouldn't complete until around 9:30pm. The production people and developers came to me for help and I saw that the SQL Explain Plan that was usually being executed (this would run a few million times) was something like select a.col1,a.col2,a.col3,b.col2 from a, b where a.col4=b.col1 and a.col5=:b1 nested loops table a index a1 (unique) table b index b1 (range) This looked pretty good, but it occurred to me that only one column was being selected from table b, so if I added a index (b2) that combined col1 and col2 to table b then it wouldn't be necessary to read table b at all, all the information would be in index b2. This resulted in a plan of: nested loops table a index a1 (unique) index b1 (range) I did so on the fly (this was only a 4,000 row table so it took almost no time to create the index). I anticipated that it would cut about 25% off the processing time (only 3/4 as many block reads). Instead it cut about 75% off the processing time causing it to finish at 5:45 (I was a hero to the developers and production people, but had to warn them not to tell their management about it since I could get in trouble for not following the Change Control Process). My question is, where did the additional 50% efficiency come from? What am I missing? I'm glad it worked so well, but would like to understand why... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: re-archiving a redo log file
Hmm, would it work to do an OS level copy so long as you get to the redo log before it starts being written to again? Just a random thought... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think, it's possible. Most probably it checks 'archived' column in v$log. Also, it keeps track of archived files in v$archived_log. Igor - Original Message - To: Multiple mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:55 AM Is it possible to re-archive an already archived but still online redo log file? the 8.1.6 sql*plus manual says it is, but I can't get the syntax down right apparently. SQL archive log 227 returns a ORA-16013 (does not need archiving) error and SQL archive log 227 to '/tmp' returns SP2-0718 illegal arhicve log option Anybody done this? Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doing linear scans over an associative array is like trying to club someone to death with a loaded Uzi. - Larry Wall (creator of Perl) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Tuning question - Why did this index help so much?
Hi Tom, That's why I expected a 25% decrease in processing time (instead of reading 2 index blocks and 2 table blocks it read 2 index blocks and 1 table block). But why would it give a 75% decrease? Jay -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think it's because the optimizxer did not have to go to the table b to satisfy the query - it went to the index only. does this make sense? Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L it's possible that the index was small enough to stay cached in the SGA? From: Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tuning question - Why did this index help so much? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:31:28 -0800 The other week a new production process was running much more slowly than anticipated. A file needed to be sent out by 6:00pm and at the rate the table was being populated it wouldn't complete until around 9:30pm. The production people and developers came to me for help and I saw that the SQL Explain Plan that was usually being executed (this would run a few million times) was something like select a.col1,a.col2,a.col3,b.col2 from a, b where a.col4=b.col1 and a.col5=:b1 nested loops table a index a1 (unique) table b index b1 (range) This looked pretty good, but it occurred to me that only one column was being selected from table b, so if I added a index (b2) that combined col1 and col2 to table b then it wouldn't be necessary to read table b at all, all the information would be in index b2. This resulted in a plan of: nested loops table a index a1 (unique) index b1 (range) I did so on the fly (this was only a 4,000 row table so it took almost no time to create the index). I anticipated that it would cut about 25% off the processing time (only 3/4 as many block reads). Instead it cut about 75% off the processing time causing it to finish at 5:45 (I was a hero to the developers and production people, but had to warn them not to tell their management about it since I could get in trouble for not following the Change Control Process). My question is, where did the additional 50% efficiency come from? What am I missing? I'm glad it worked so well, but would like to understand why... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail
RE: deletion of data from a large table
You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data. If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways. Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected. Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate). Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This can be done . But what about the constraints ? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:41 PM I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining data truncate table then re-import. Correct me if I am wrong here. Rick -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi All, I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the freespace after deleting the data ? Thanks rukmini -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rukmini Devi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cale, Rick T (Richard) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rukmini Devi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: deletion of data from a large table
Oops, meant to say you can RESIZE the datafile down to 1 Meg after the truncate -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data. If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways. Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected. Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate). Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This can be done . But what about the constraints ? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:41 PM I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining data truncate table then re-import. Correct me if I am wrong here. Rick -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi All, I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the freespace after deleting the data ? Thanks rukmini -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rukmini Devi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cale, Rick T (Richard) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rukmini Devi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
RE: database disaster recovery
!! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !! Well, all our servers were fine as of the time our building was evacuated on Tuesday but I got paged on Wednesday that our 100 Wall St. office had lost power and was running on generator. Fortunately the only machines I had there were our standby server (so we're running without a standby at the moment), our development server (I ftp'ed the last export file over to a NJ server and will probably be importing the development schemas to our QA box as an interim measure) and a clone of our production server that we were using for upgrade testing. Somehow I don't think our planned upgrade will happen this weekend... Some of my colleagues had production servers in NY and, with some minor snafus, have brought up the standby servers in NJ and switched everyone over. I am having fond recollections of arguing about 3 years ago that we had to have our standby server in a different datacenter than our production server. When I first joined this group they were both in NY. Jay Miller x48355 -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L !! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !! I'm curious. With all that's going on in New York, were any Oracle databases lost? Has anyone had to activate a disaster recovery plan and bring up their database at a new location? If so, how did that go? It would be interesting, and possibly instructive, to hear some real-life stories about what went wrong, what went well, etc. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://MetalDrums.org -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Lock Manager in Enterprise Manager 2.1?
!! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !! Hi, I remember this being discussed a long time ago but I'm still using 1.6 and one of the other DBAs just asked me. Does anyone know what happened to Lock Manager (formerly part of Diagnostics Pack in 1.6) in Enterprise Manager 2.1? Is it now part of a different app? TIA, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Copy Oracle's binary.
One more thing, be careful that if you do this that you change the listener.ora file to point to the new hostname. Otherwise you can accidently shut down the listener on the other server. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello, I've two machines (with the same unix's configuration on Sun Solaris). On has Oracle 8.1.7. installed and a database. Do you think it's possible to copy Oracle's binary and the database on Unix level to the new serveur instead of installing and cloning the db ? Thank you very much. Thanh-truc Nguyen -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Better Way Of DeFragmentation
I assume you intend to also: .5) Clone database to second machine .6) Drop all objects in schema on 2nd machine 4.5) Take cold backup of 1st machine With those caveats, it looks fine. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, We have to defragment one of our production databases..(objects are not properly sized).. Since i can't shutdown database for more than 2 hrs and database is read only and DML statements run thru batch jobs 2 days in month. We r thinking of using the following scheme. 1) export the particular application schema name NMDD of production database. 2) On second machine run the DDL script which creates all the objects with proper sizing. 3) Import the data from export taken in step 1. 4) take the cold backup of 2nd machine. 5) copy the backup files from 2nd machine to production machine. Is there any better way to get rid of fragmentation without using any third party tool.. or Is there any flaw in above procedure. Thanks -Harvinder -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Harvinder Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Agreed. Do you want to ever be able to go on a 2 week vacation at some point in your life? Or even 1 week overseas? Then you need a 2nd DBA. It's also much better for the company. If you should ever decide to seek greener pastures elsewhere there will be someone familiar with all their systems and databases. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L second person, you get to have a life -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I've been presented with an opportunity to justify requirements for a 2nd DBA at our site. As I see it there are an number of paths this presents: 1 - Justify and get a 2nd DBA. Pro's: Gives me more time to get involved in other projects as a senior DBA. Holidays and attendance at courses and seminars etc. easier to take 2 - Outsource this role and activate it when required and justify putting money into investing in software and/or hardware to allow a single DBA function to required levels. Pros: New tools etc. to learn and broader experience gained. More bargaining power if required. I'd like to hear your feedback on which path you'd be inclined to take and why?. Also if going it alone what you'd look for software in hardware and other areas. Currently 6 NT servers, 10 databases and expanding... Sean :) Rookie Data Base Administrator Oracle 7.3.3, 8.0.5, 8.1.7 - NT, W2K [0%] OCP Oracle8i DBA [0%] OCP Oracle9i DBA Organon (Ireland) Ltd. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [subscribed: Digest Mode] Visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oracle-OCP-DBA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oracle-OCP-DBA Nobody loves me but my mother... and she could be jivin' too. - BB King -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: O'Neill, Sean INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Better Way Of DeFragmentation
Agreed. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L True. If he clones the whole database each way. My understanding was that he planned just to move the schema into a dummy database, resize the objects, do a cold backup, and move the datafiles from the cold backup that contained the appropriate tablespaces. I don't think that that would work. Miller, Jay JayMiller@TDWaterTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L house.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Better Way Of DeFragmentation 09/20/2001 02:31 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L My understanding that he was copying the control files also - i.e., cloning the 2nd database back to the first machine. This works since he said it's usually read only so there wouldn't have been any changes between when he cloned 1 to 2 and when he clones 2 to 1. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Consider going to tablespaces where all the extents are of a uniform size. I.e., all objects in any one tablespace have the same INITIAL and NEXT storage parameters. These tablespaces will never need to be defragmented. I'm not sure that your outlined procedure will work. I think that your cold backup from the 2nd machine will be out of synch (timestamp-wise) with your control files. It may be possible to do some recovery to overcome this but I'm not familiar with that. You could do an export from the 2nd machine, drop the tablespace(s) on the 1st machine, and do in import. If you have data that is changing a lot over time, then you could get set all the objects' NEXT parameter to a uniform size and the tablespaces will coalesce naturally over time. Harvinder Singh Harvinder.Singh@MetrTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L aTech.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Better Way Of DeFragmentation 09/20/2001 10:35 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Hi, We have to defragment one of our production databases..(objects are not properly sized).. Since i can't shutdown database for more than 2 hrs and database is read only and DML statements run thru batch jobs 2 days in month. We r thinking of using the following scheme. 1) export the particular application schema name NMDD of production database. 2) On second machine run the DDL script which creates all the objects with proper sizing. 3) Import the data from export taken in step 1. 4) take the cold backup of 2nd machine. 5) copy the backup files from 2nd machine to production machine. Is there any better way to get rid of fragmentation without using any third party tool.. or Is there any flaw in above procedure. Thanks -Harvinder -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Harvinder Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note
RE: 2nd DBA or ?
To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Design Issue - Quick response appreciated
One thought is to have an additional column called something like 'PRIOR_ID'. If the Account_id is changed (actually a new value inserted) then the PRIOR_ID for the new row is set to the ACCOUNT_ID of the old row. That way you can always trace back if the transaction used to have a different account. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L List, OLTP application with 24x7 requirement. 300,000 records per day are inserted into the transaction table. Environment: Solari 7. Oracle 817. The transaction table layout. Security ID Account ID Account Type Trade Date And other columns in this table. In the above table, the primary key is -- Security ID + Account ID + Account Type + Trade Date There are many to one relationships built to other child tables from Transaction Table Scenario: User inserts a record into transaction table. In the first record, Account ID value is HP and he might insert a record into the child table (Or this transaction may not insert a record into a child table). After some time, the user queries the original record with the primary key and then changes the value in the column - Account ID to IBM. Now, the original transaction record is NOT UPDATED. A record IS INSERTED with the new values. Also, he might or might not insert a record into a child table with this new values of primary key. Now the user would query the transaction table with Account ID = IBM. But, the user wants to get all the previous records also; in this case, he want to see the record with Account ID = HP also. Also, he want to see the related records from the child tables. I tried with the idea of sequence number generation but it was failing. Any ideas or suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks, Rao Maheswara Rao, Oracle DBA SunGard Securities -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Design Issue - Quick response appreciated
Ouch! I was assuming (for no good reason) that the field you used in your example (ACCOUNT_ID) is the only one that would change. In this case I agree with Christopher. Go with a generated key as your primary key (your current primary key columns can be an alternate key), then you can use that as the only prior_id column. With regards to the second question you can then go back as far as you like using the START WITH/CONNECT BY clauses in your SELECT statement. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jay, Good thought. Questions: 1. How many prior_ID's do I need to maintain? Logically, user could change any of the columns in a primary key. 2. Say, a transaction udergoes 2 times changes i.e., first time, account_ID is changed. Second time, Security_id is changed. This means, I inserted two records into the transaction table pertaining to original transaction. How do I retrieve earlier three records? i.e., the latest change in the account_id=IBM. If the user is querying based on this, he would get two records. But he would not get the record where he changed security_ID. (My primary key = Security ID + Account ID + Account Type + Trade Date). 3. How do manage and retrieve the records from the child tables? Thanks, Rao -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One thought is to have an additional column called something like 'PRIOR_ID'. If the Account_id is changed (actually a new value inserted) then the PRIOR_ID for the new row is set to the ACCOUNT_ID of the old row. That way you can always trace back if the transaction used to have a different account. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L List, OLTP application with 24x7 requirement. 300,000 records per day are inserted into the transaction table. Environment: Solari 7. Oracle 817. The transaction table layout. Security ID Account ID Account Type Trade Date And other columns in this table. In the above table, the primary key is -- Security ID + Account ID + Account Type + Trade Date There are many to one relationships built to other child tables from Transaction Table Scenario: User inserts a record into transaction table. In the first record, Account ID value is HP and he might insert a record into the child table (Or this transaction may not insert a record into a child table). After some time, the user queries the original record with the primary key and then changes the value in the column - Account ID to IBM. Now, the original transaction record is NOT UPDATED. A record IS INSERTED with the new values. Also, he might or might not insert a record into a child table with this new values of primary key. Now the user would query the transaction table with Account ID = IBM. But, the user wants to get all the previous records also; in this case, he want to see the record with Account ID = HP also. Also, he want to see the related records from the child tables. I tried with the idea of sequence number generation but it was failing. Any ideas or suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks, Rao Maheswara Rao, Oracle DBA SunGard Securities -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from
RE: 2nd DBA or ?
Nah, that's just the sound of the paparazzi. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, sounds like you have a stalker... -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L At 03:17 PM 9/21/2001, you wrote: but of course I do! doesn't every goddess? :) click, click click, click click, click click, click;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA Telergy,Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. Quotes 4 (c) Edwin Jongsma 1998 http://www.xs4all.nl/~ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORACLE VS. SYBASE
No guarantees as to accuracy, but I heard this story about 7 years ago from someone who said he was there. Apparently when the major Wall St. firms were deciding whether to go with Oracle or Sybase they arranged to have both companies come in and do presentations and say what special arrangements they'd be willing to offer. Sybase sent high level management who came with a list of features, explained their policies and offered a substantial discount. Oracle sent Larry Ellison who told them Oracle didn't have to offer discounts because it was obviously superior and anyone who bought Sybase was an idiot. They bought Sybase. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L -- Guy Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's about all I can be bothered to type for now. In summary, I would like to say that Sybase is a fine product for your grandmother to store her recipes in :0) Interesting to note that a good number of financial companies -- who make a living off of fast, stable databases -- use Sybase. They tend to prefer it for its combination of speed and cost of operation. None of them store recipies on it that I know of, nor do they allow their grandmothers access to the systems. -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steven Lembark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: When optimizer reevaluate SQL statement
ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
getting password request on connect internal
I know this was discussed recently but I just did a major clean up of my 1,000+ unread posts so my apologies. All of a sudden I'm unable to shutdown a database. This is the alert_log: Shutting down instance (immediate) License high water mark = 21 Thu Oct 4 20:30:38 2001 SHUTDOWN: waiting for active calls to complete. And when I try to connect internal to do a shutdown abort I get this: Oracle Server Manager Release 3.1.6.0.0 - Production Copyright (c) 1997, 1999, Oracle Corporation. All Rights Reserved. ORA-03113: end-of-file on communication channel SVRMGR connect internal Password: I've already gone through every step in the Oracle Note 69642.1 (Checklist for Resolving CONNECT INTERNAL PASSWORD Issues) without any results. Any ideas? Thanks, Jay Miller x48355 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: getting password request on connect internal - more info
Oops. Oracle 8.1.6.3 Solaris 2.6 -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:03 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' I know this was discussed recently but I just did a major clean up of my 1,000+ unread posts so my apologies. All of a sudden I'm unable to shutdown a database. This is the alert_log: Shutting down instance (immediate) License high water mark = 21 Thu Oct 4 20:30:38 2001 SHUTDOWN: waiting for active calls to complete. And when I try to connect internal to do a shutdown abort I get this: Oracle Server Manager Release 3.1.6.0.0 - Production Copyright (c) 1997, 1999, Oracle Corporation. All Rights Reserved. ORA-03113: end-of-file on communication channel SVRMGR connect internal Password: I've already gone through every step in the Oracle Note 69642.1 (Checklist for Resolving CONNECT INTERNAL PASSWORD Issues) without any results. Any ideas? Thanks, Jay Miller x48355 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: getting password request on connect internal
Yep. In fact I had no problem connecting to another instance running on the same machine. And they've been running (with a nightly shutdown) with no problems for the last 2 weeks. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] are you part of the dba, oinstall group? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/05/01 11:43 AM I know this was discussed recently but I just did a major clean up of my 1,000+ unread posts so my apologies. All of a sudden I'm unable to shutdown a database. This is the alert_log: Shutting down instance (immediate) License high water mark = 21 Thu Oct 4 20:30:38 2001 SHUTDOWN: waiting for active calls to complete. And when I try to connect internal to do a shutdown abort I get this: Oracle Server Manager Release 3.1.6.0.0 - Production Copyright (c) 1997, 1999, Oracle Corporation. All Rights Reserved. ORA-03113: end-of-file on communication channel SVRMGR connect internal Password: I've already gone through every step in the Oracle Note 69642.1 (Checklist for Resolving CONNECT INTERNAL PASSWORD Issues) without any results. Any ideas? Thanks, Jay Miller x48355 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Concealing SQL Loader password from ps -ef
When running Sql Loader from a Unix script is there a way to code it so that the password will not be displayed when someone does ps -ef? I know how to do it for sqlplus, exp and imp but not sql loader. TIA, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Unable to rebuild database from hot backup
Okay, this is weird. I'm trying to rebuilding my QC database from a hot backup. As always, I copied all the hot backup files, all the archive logs from the period of the hot backup and the control files. After doing recover database using backup controlfile; I got SVRMGR alter database open resetlogs; alter database open resetlogs * ORA-01113: file 1 needs media recovery ORA-01110: data file 1: '/data1/nyccp/systnyccp.dbf Thinking that perhaps I just needed to apply more logs I went on to apply another 12 hours worth of archive logs. I still get the same error. Now I'm really concerned that my hot backup is invalid for some reason. Does anyone have any suggestions for what else I can look at? TIA, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unable to rebuild database from hot backup
Another piece of information: On the basis of it couldn't hurt to try I recopied everything but instead of using the regular control file I used the standby control file. I then mounted it in standby mode, issued the recover standby database command, activated the standby, shutdown, and opened the database. It worked fine. Why would it work with a standby controlfile and not with the regular control file? I have my QC database working but I'm really puzzled. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, this is weird. I'm trying to rebuilding my QC database from a hot backup. As always, I copied all the hot backup files, all the archive logs from the period of the hot backup and the control files. After doing recover database using backup controlfile; I got SVRMGR alter database open resetlogs; alter database open resetlogs * ORA-01113: file 1 needs media recovery ORA-01110: data file 1: '/data1/nyccp/systnyccp.dbf Thinking that perhaps I just needed to apply more logs I went on to apply another 12 hours worth of archive logs. I still get the same error. Now I'm really concerned that my hot backup is invalid for some reason. Does anyone have any suggestions for what else I can look at? TIA, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: good workaround for a ORA-2016?
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lsnrctl - can I remove world executable privileges?
Had a bit of a shock this morning. I never knew that the lsnrctl was -rwxr-x--x by default and a random unix user shut down the listener on our production database. Is there any reason not to change the privileges on this file, making it -rwxr-x---? Is there a reason it's set this way? This seems like a big security hole. Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Unable to rebuild database from hot backup
Sorry I never got back to people on this (since I got my restore to work using the standby controlfile I didn't pursue it for a while and then I forgot to respond until I was cleaning up old messages). The issue was adding the until cancel clause. Thanks to everyone who suggested it and special thanks to Tim for explaining why it was necessary. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My understanding the when you perform a recover database using backup controlfile, the stop SCN in the controlfile is set to infinity... Therefore, you never finish media recovery since you never encounter the stop SCN... You can not simply cancel a recover database using backup controlfile since Oracle is expecting you perform a complete recovery ( since your not using the UNTIL CANCEL/TIME/CHANGE ) and canceling a complete recovery leaves the stop SCN in the controlfile at infinity... Therefore, the recovery is never complete and you will always receive the needs media recovery message... But, if you recover using backup controlfile until cancel and then cancel, that is the signal to Oracle that your are performing an incomplete recovery and the stop SCN in the controlfile is set to the SCN you have recovered through... At this point you can do an alter open resetlogs to open the database ( as long as you have applied enough logs to insure a consistent database )... Tim -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L maybe the problem was never in the file but in the controlfile in the backup? standby assumes that the scn in the datafile header will be out of date and that you will be recovering up to or past the scn in the standby controlfile and that that is okay. --- Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another piece of information: On the basis of it couldn't hurt to try I recopied everything but instead of using the regular control file I used the standby control file. I then mounted it in standby mode, issued the recover standby database command, activated the standby, shutdown, and opened the database. It worked fine. Why would it work with a standby controlfile and not with the regular control file? I have my QC database working but I'm really puzzled. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, this is weird. I'm trying to rebuilding my QC database from a hot backup. As always, I copied all the hot backup files, all the archive logs from the period of the hot backup and the control files. After doing recover database using backup controlfile; I got SVRMGR alter database open resetlogs; alter database open resetlogs * ORA-01113: file 1 needs media recovery ORA-01110: data file 1: '/data1/nyccp/systnyccp.dbf Thinking that perhaps I just needed to apply more logs I went on to apply another 12 hours worth of archive logs. I still get the same error. Now I'm really concerned that my hot backup is invalid for some reason. Does anyone have any suggestions for what else I can look at? TIA, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com http://personals.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com http://www.orafaq.com -- Author
RE: lsnrctl - can I remove world executable privileges?
Thanks, I'll probably do this also now, after I change the permissions. How does one code a password into a script to stop and start the listener? Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Give the listener a password. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Had a bit of a shock this morning. I never knew that the lsnrctl was -rwxr-x--x by default and a random unix user shut down the listener on our production database. Is there any reason not to change the privileges on this file, making it -rwxr-x---? Is there a reason it's set this way? This seems like a big security hole. Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: lsnrctl - can I remove world executable privileges?
Thanks! -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L lsnrctl EOF set password pass start listener EOF -Original Message- From: Miller, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: lsnrctl - can I remove world executable privileges? Thanks, I'll probably do this also now, after I change the permissions. How does one code a password into a script to stop and start the listener? Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Give the listener a password. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Had a bit of a shock this morning. I never knew that the lsnrctl was -rwxr-x--x by default and a random unix user shut down the listener on our production database. Is there any reason not to change the privileges on this file, making it -rwxr-x---? Is there a reason it's set this way? This seems like a big security hole. Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Anderson, Brian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Do user processes apply against shmmax limit?
Hi everyone, I was always under the impression that the only concern with shmmax was that it be large enough for the SGA to fit into it. One of my System Administrators has just told me that the individual user processes (i.e., the PGA since we're not using multi-threaded server) get added to the SGA and if that SGA + user processes shmmax the system will start swapping. I haven't found anything to specifically address this issue on Metalink so I though I'd throw it open. We've started experiencing system slowdown and he says that increasing shmmax could resolve it. I'm skeptical (he also suggested increasing SGA to decrease swapping which I told him in no uncertain terms was nonsense). If anyone has a link to a note or white paper I'd appreciate that too. I've appended his email at the bottom. This slowdown seems to occur even when there's virtually on oracle activity so I'm suspecting some other cause. Thanks, Jay Miller nycsun1 and njsun7 has 6 GB of memory and only 2 GB of share memory. This morning nycsun1 was very slow and I noticed that there was lots of swaping. see vmstst and iostat below in red: procs memorypagedisk faults cpu r b w swap free re mf pi po fr de sr s2 s4 s4 sd in sy cs us sy id 0 0 23 4366736 97528 1 2186 16 12 12 95520 0 0 0 0 0 1104 3330 974 11 8 81 0 0 23 4365992 96056 1 451 16 24 52 85968 3 0 0 0 0 935 847 416 3 1 96 0 0 23 4364712 95512 2 310 36 24 492 85968 68 0 0 0 0 1036 2183 670 13 4 84 0 0 23 4361568 95488 9 2264 0 76 964 95520 136 0 0 0 0 979 4065 607 12 6 82 0 0 23 4362384 96080 1 6 4 8 8 77376 0 0 0 0 0 975 465 457 2 1 97 0 0 23 4361944 95712 4 730 92 48 532 95520 64 0 0 0 0 1040 1859 734 8 3 89 0 0 23 4360424 95480 4 41 36 40 100 77376 7 0 0 0 0 986 1250 542 6 0 94 0 0 23 4361304 96096 3 264 76 36 88 88496 7 0 0 0 0 1037 942 665 5 3 92 0 0 23 4359680 95784 2 449 4 28 84 95520 8 0 0 0 0 922 1047 374 4 1 95 0 0 23 4359936 95464 2 544 4 20 332 95520 44 0 0 0 0 931 1095 384 2 2 96 /s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t %w %b device 0.0 0.00.00.0 0.0 0.00.00.0 0 0 c2t6d0 0.0 34.50.0 270.0 0.2 13.86.7 399.5 6 44 c5t12d0 -- swap disk 0.0 34.50.0 270.0 0.5 10.7 15.5 309.4 18 39 c5t13d0 -- swap disk This shows that the system is not effectively using memory. I suggest increasing the share memory to 4 GB so that DBAs can increase their memory usage. Also set priority paging on. Priority paging will give application first priority then free memory will be allocated to file cache( Solaris 2.6 and 7. Solaris 8 is set dynamically). * ORACLE CONFIGS set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax =204800 -- increase to 409600 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=1 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=300 set shmsys:shminfo_shmseg=30 set semsys:seminfo_semmap=500 set semsys:seminfo_semmni=200 set semsys:seminfo_semmns=2000 set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=1000 set semsys:seminfo_semmnu=500 set semsys:seminfo_semume=150 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Do user processes apply against shmmax limit?
Good morning everyone, Thanks for confirming my belief. He was so definite I was starting to doubt myself (surely a Unix SA must know how the Unix parameters work right?). And the problem has been tracked down to a bad network switch (so I'm in the office again today to switch to our standby box while they work on it and then switch back when they're done). Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jay, I would suggest that your SA look at the 'w' column under procs. This shows that _since_ UNIX restart 23 jobs were continuously in the wait queue. Maybe something starts up on system reboot... procs memorypagedisk r b w swap free re mf pi po fr de sr s2 s4 s4 sd in 0 0 23 4366736 97528 1 2186 16 12 12 95520 0 0 0 0 0 1104 0 0 23 4365992 96056 1 451 16 24 52 85968 3 0 0 0 0 935 0 0 23 4364712 95512 2 310 36 24 492 85968 68 0 0 0 0 1036 Also, could he show you 'sar -q' stats? This should show any swapping (as opposed to paging). John Kanagaraj Oracle Applications DBA DB Soft Inc Work : (408) 970 7002 Listen to great, commercial-free christian music 24x7x365 at http://www.klove.com ** The opinions and facts contained in this message are entirely mine and do not reflect those of my employer or customers ** -Original Message- From: Miller, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Do user processes apply against shmmax limit? Hi everyone, I was always under the impression that the only concern with shmmax was that it be large enough for the SGA to fit into it. One of my System Administrators has just told me that the individual user processes (i.e., the PGA since we're not using multi-threaded server) get added to the SGA and if that SGA + user processes shmmax the system will start swapping. I haven't found anything to specifically address this issue on Metalink so I though I'd throw it open. We've started experiencing system slowdown and he says that increasing shmmax could resolve it. I'm skeptical (he also suggested increasing SGA to decrease swapping which I told him in no uncertain terms was nonsense). If anyone has a link to a note or white paper I'd appreciate that too. I've appended his email at the bottom. This slowdown seems to occur even when there's virtually on oracle activity so I'm suspecting some other cause. Thanks, Jay Miller nycsun1 and njsun7 has 6 GB of memory and only 2 GB of share memory. This morning nycsun1 was very slow and I noticed that there was lots of swaping. see vmstst and iostat below in red: procs memorypagedisk faults cpu r b w swap free re mf pi po fr de sr s2 s4 s4 sd in sy cs us sy id 0 0 23 4366736 97528 1 2186 16 12 12 95520 0 0 0 0 0 1104 3330 974 11 8 81 0 0 23 4365992 96056 1 451 16 24 52 85968 3 0 0 0 0 935 847 416 3 1 96 0 0 23 4364712 95512 2 310 36 24 492 85968 68 0 0 0 0 1036 2183 670 13 4 84 0 0 23 4361568 95488 9 2264 0 76 964 95520 136 0 0 0 0 979 4065 607 12 6 82 0 0 23 4362384 96080 1 6 4 8 8 77376 0 0 0 0 0 975 465 457 2 1 97 0 0 23 4361944 95712 4 730 92 48 532 95520 64 0 0 0 0 1040 1859 734 8 3 89 0 0 23 4360424 95480 4 41 36 40 100 77376 7 0 0 0 0 986 1250 542 6 0 94 0 0 23 4361304 96096 3 264 76 36 88 88496 7 0 0 0 0 1037 942 665 5 3 92 0 0 23 4359680 95784 2 449 4 28 84 95520 8 0 0 0 0 922 1047 374 4 1 95 0 0 23 4359936 95464 2 544 4 20 332 95520 44 0 0 0 0 931 1095 384 2 2 96 /s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t %w %b device 0.0 0.00.00.0 0.0 0.00.00.0 0 0 c2t6d0 0.0 34.50.0 270.0 0.2 13.86.7 399.5 6 44 c5t12d0 -- swap disk 0.0 34.50.0 270.0 0.5 10.7 15.5 309.4 18 39 c5t13d0 -- swap disk This shows that the system is not effectively using memory. I suggest increasing the share memory to 4 GB so that DBAs can increase their memory usage. Also set priority paging on. Priority paging will give application first priority then free memory will be allocated to file cache( Solaris 2.6 and 7. Solaris 8 is set dynamically). * ORACLE CONFIGS set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax =204800 -- increase to 409600 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=1 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=300 set shmsys:shminfo_shmseg=30 set semsys:seminfo_semmap=500 set semsys:seminfo_semmni=200 set semsys:seminfo_semmns=2000 set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=1000 set semsys:seminfo_semmnu=500 set semsys:seminfo_semume=150 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
I was told by the department manager that they were neither using a direct load nor the Append hint. But the developer is back from vacation today so I'll get a more definite answer from him. Thanks, Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How are the inserts being done? Are you doing an insert with append hint? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
Okay, I just heard back from the developer. It was definitely not using either a Direct load or and Append hint. Just a regular insert. Any more ideas? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Did you insert using direct path ? If so the insert inserts after the highwater mark. The highwater mark is not reinitialized after deletes. So maybe that's why the insert failed. --- Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle et DB2, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle and DB2 DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Lèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stephane=20Paquette?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
Yep, I agree that coalescing is irrelevant in my current situation. In any event there was no free space until I added the additional datafile but there was the 8gig of space on the freelists. Jay -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, if pctincrease is zero, and there are a large number of contiguous smaller extents, SMON will not automatically coalesce the tablespace. However, whether or not SMON does an automatic coalesce, if you need an extent that is larger than any of the small ones, Oracle will coalesce those smaller extents to make the one you need. so Jay would not have needed to add a datafile no matter what, if he was not doing a direct path insert. As for meeting in person there is a user group meeting on Dec 12 (check www.nyoug.org for details). You can meet me, and more importantly you can meet Tim Gorman, Dan Fink, Arup Nanda and Anita Bardeen, also of this list. They are all presenting :) I saw Priscilla about a month ago, haven't talked with her since. Rachel --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, What I mean to say is when there are a lot of contiguous smaller free extents. Then coalesce will produce a larger free extent so Jay wouldn't have to add a datafile for his table to grow. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or has that changed? My understand could be outdated. With LMT one doesn't have to worry about it. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. PS, I am in New York too, would love to meet you in person some time. Have you talked to Priscilla lately? Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
Ron, Good idea, but DEGREE=1 There are two indexes, but they are in a different tablespace (which has plenty of free space available and did not give an error). Next extent size is 25M but, as mentioned, it shouldn't have needed a new extent. I'm still at a loss... Jay -Original Message- Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is what degree of parallelism is defined for the table? What is the next extent size set to? If the table is paralleled, EACH parallel worker will grab a next extent sized segment. (Been bit by this a few times...) How many indexes and are they in the same tablespace? Ron Thomas Hypercom, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs. -- Kernighan JayMiller@TDWater house.comTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why? 12/02/2002 02:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Yep, I agree that coalescing is irrelevant in my current situation. In any event there was no free space until I added the additional datafile but there was the 8gig of space on the freelists. Jay -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, if pctincrease is zero, and there are a large number of contiguous smaller extents, SMON will not automatically coalesce the tablespace. However, whether or not SMON does an automatic coalesce, if you need an extent that is larger than any of the small ones, Oracle will coalesce those smaller extents to make the one you need. so Jay would not have needed to add a datafile no matter what, if he was not doing a direct path insert. As for meeting in person there is a user group meeting on Dec 12 (check www.nyoug.org for details). You can meet me, and more importantly you can meet Tim Gorman, Dan Fink, Arup Nanda and Anita Bardeen, also of this list. They are all presenting :) I saw Priscilla about a month ago, haven't talked with her since. Rachel --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, What I mean to say is when there are a lot of contiguous smaller free extents. Then coalesce will produce a larger free extent so Jay wouldn't have to add a datafile for his table to grow. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or has that changed? My understand could be outdated. With LMT one doesn't have to worry about it. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. PS, I am in New York too, would love to meet you in person some time. Have you talked to Priscilla lately? Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
/2002 02:04 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Yep, I agree that coalescing is irrelevant in my current situation. In any event there was no free space until I added the additional datafile but there was the 8gig of space on the freelists. Jay -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, if pctincrease is zero, and there are a large number of contiguous smaller extents, SMON will not automatically coalesce the tablespace. However, whether or not SMON does an automatic coalesce, if you need an extent that is larger than any of the small ones, Oracle will coalesce those smaller extents to make the one you need. so Jay would not have needed to add a datafile no matter what, if he was not doing a direct path insert. As for meeting in person there is a user group meeting on Dec 12 (check www.nyoug.org for details). You can meet me, and more importantly you can meet Tim Gorman, Dan Fink, Arup Nanda and Anita Bardeen, also of this list. They are all presenting :) I saw Priscilla about a month ago, haven't talked with her since. Rachel --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, What I mean to say is when there are a lot of contiguous smaller free extents. Then coalesce will produce a larger free extent so Jay wouldn't have to add a datafile for his table to grow. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or has that changed? My understand could be outdated. With LMT one doesn't have to worry about it. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. PS, I am in New York too, would love to meet you in person some time. Have you talked to Priscilla lately? Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
. As for meeting in person there is a user group meeting on Dec 12 (check www.nyoug.org for details). You can meet me, and more importantly you can meet Tim Gorman, Dan Fink, Arup Nanda and Anita Bardeen, also of this list. They are all presenting :) I saw Priscilla about a month ago, haven't talked with her since. Rachel --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, What I mean to say is when there are a lot of contiguous smaller free extents. Then coalesce will produce a larger free extent so Jay wouldn't have to add a datafile for his table to grow. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or has that changed? My understand could be outdated. With LMT one doesn't have to worry about it. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. PS, I am in New York too, would love to meet you in person some time. Have you talked to Priscilla lately? Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or has that changed? My understand could be outdated. With LMT one doesn't have to worry about it. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. PS, I am in New York too, would love to meet you in person some time. Have you talked to Priscilla lately? Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
. --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
Very interesting! I was out sick yesterday so I'm just getting caught up on the email today. There are currently 898334 rows and 2654300 blocks in the table (the number of rows will grow over the next 2 months before the next big delete which is done quarterly). But this does seem to imply that it is only allocating one row/block. Might adding more freelists enable it to make more use of the available blocks by avoiding timeouts while walking the freelist? I've also been investigating the application and have come across some annoying features that unfortunately the developer assures me can't change for various reasons. One is that the loading process is doing frequent commits (it commits on the account level which will be usually be one insert but unlikely to be more than 6). Also it is doing a Select from Dual for every insert. Don't know if this is relevant to anything other than performance though. Matt: You suggest changing the storage parameters or by changing the block size. Changing the block size isn't really an option just now (though once I upgrade to 9i I'll seriously consider changing it for just this tablespace). What storage parameter changes did you have in mind? Waleed: The table is not partitioned. Extent size is 25Meg. Jay Miller x48355 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dan, I think you nailed it! It will be interesting to see the # of blocks and # of rows in this table. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Vitals: Average Row Length = 1895 Block Size = 4096 pct_free = 10% Threshold to put block off freelist = 3686 pct_used = 75% Threshold to put block on freelist = 3072 Average free space = 3895 Working with averages, there could be at most 2 rows per block. The Average free space is also very close to the block size, which indicates to me that the blocks on the free list are probably empty. Will a transaction insert a row into a block when it knows that the insert will push the block above the pct_free threshold? I can see logic on both sides. Don't insert because an update is more likely to cause row migration. Do insert because the space is wasted otherwise. After deleting 2 million rows, the # of blocks on the freelist is slightly over 2 million. Is this a coincidence? I'll take a guess and say that the insert processes are probably trying to acquire 1 block per 2 rows. Add in the other processes doing inserts, each one needs its own block if it is reusing it. I'm wondering if the insert transaction started walking the freelist, could not find an open block (because they were being used by other transactions) within a certain period (# of blocks checked or timeout) and decided to simply allocate another extent in order to enable the transaction to complete. In reviewing my notes/docs from the Internals Seminar (8i), there is a threshold (_release_insert_threshold) that will cause a new extent to be allocated even when there are blocks on the master free list. This seems a very likely scenario, given the large row size in comparison to the block size. Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
One row/insert. One commit every 1-6 inserts (rows). Column values are passed to pl/sql procedure which does the insert (i.e,. passed in variables). Maximum row length: I assume you mean the largest row in the table? Does anyone have an easy way to get this? Other than applying formulas to each individual column based on datatype and length of the value? Jay -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How is the insert being used? Is it one row per insert? Is the column values hardcoded or passed in variables? What is the maximum row length? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Very interesting! I was out sick yesterday so I'm just getting caught up on the email today. There are currently 898334 rows and 2654300 blocks in the table (the number of rows will grow over the next 2 months before the next big delete which is done quarterly). But this does seem to imply that it is only allocating one row/block. Might adding more freelists enable it to make more use of the available blocks by avoiding timeouts while walking the freelist? I've also been investigating the application and have come across some annoying features that unfortunately the developer assures me can't change for various reasons. One is that the loading process is doing frequent commits (it commits on the account level which will be usually be one insert but unlikely to be more than 6). Also it is doing a Select from Dual for every insert. Don't know if this is relevant to anything other than performance though. Matt: You suggest changing the storage parameters or by changing the block size. Changing the block size isn't really an option just now (though once I upgrade to 9i I'll seriously consider changing it for just this tablespace). What storage parameter changes did you have in mind? Waleed: The table is not partitioned. Extent size is 25Meg. Jay Miller x48355 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dan, I think you nailed it! It will be interesting to see the # of blocks and # of rows in this table. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Vitals: Average Row Length = 1895 Block Size = 4096 pct_free = 10% Threshold to put block off freelist = 3686 pct_used = 75% Threshold to put block on freelist = 3072 Average free space = 3895 Working with averages, there could be at most 2 rows per block. The Average free space is also very close to the block size, which indicates to me that the blocks on the free list are probably empty. Will a transaction insert a row into a block when it knows that the insert will push the block above the pct_free threshold? I can see logic on both sides. Don't insert because an update is more likely to cause row migration. Do insert because the space is wasted otherwise. After deleting 2 million rows, the # of blocks on the freelist is slightly over 2 million. Is this a coincidence? I'll take a guess and say that the insert processes are probably trying to acquire 1 block per 2 rows. Add in the other processes doing inserts, each one needs its own block if it is reusing it. I'm wondering if the insert transaction started walking the freelist, could not find an open block (because they were being used by other transactions) within a certain period (# of blocks checked or timeout) and decided to simply allocate another extent in order to enable the transaction to complete. In reviewing my notes/docs from the Internals Seminar (8i), there is a threshold (_release_insert_threshold) that will cause a new extent to be allocated even when there are blocks on the master free list. This seems a very likely scenario, given the large row size in comparison to the block size. Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
by other transactions) within a certain period (# of blocks checked or timeout) and decided to simply allocate another extent in order to enable the transaction to complete. In reviewing my notes/docs from the Internals Seminar (8i), there is a threshold (_release_insert_threshold) that will cause a new extent to be allocated even when there are blocks on the master free list. This seems a very likely scenario, given the large row size in comparison to the block size. Dan Fink -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Why?
there was no free space until I added the additional datafile but there was the 8gig of space on the freelists. Jay -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Richard, if pctincrease is zero, and there are a large number of contiguous smaller extents, SMON will not automatically coalesce the tablespace. However, whether or not SMON does an automatic coalesce, if you need an extent that is larger than any of the small ones, Oracle will coalesce those smaller extents to make the one you need. so Jay would not have needed to add a datafile no matter what, if he was not doing a direct path insert. As for meeting in person there is a user group meeting on Dec 12 (check www.nyoug.org for details). You can meet me, and more importantly you can meet Tim Gorman, Dan Fink, Arup Nanda and Anita Bardeen, also of this list. They are all presenting :) I saw Priscilla about a month ago, haven't talked with her since. Rachel --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, What I mean to say is when there are a lot of contiguous smaller free extents. Then coalesce will produce a larger free extent so Jay wouldn't have to add a datafile for his table to grow. On the automatically coalescing part, I believe SMON will only coalesce when pctincrease != 0, or has that changed? My understand could be outdated. With LMT one doesn't have to worry about it. Have a Happy Thanksgiving. PS, I am in New York too, would love to meet you in person some time. Have you talked to Priscilla lately? Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L how would coalescing help even if there were a lot of smaller free extents? Oracle would do the coalesce automatically, there would be no difference between manually coalescing or allowing Oracle to do it when a new extent was needed. --- Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coalescing might help if there are many smaller free extents that can be coalesced. But that still doesn't solve Jay's problem. Because he doesn't want the table to extent at all since he just deleted 2 million rows so there are plenty of space within the segment itself. Those free blocks should be used, unless he is doing a direct path insert which will only use space above the HWM. Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L did u coalesced the tablespaces? -Original Message- Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Novembro de 2002 17:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Okay, I can't figure this one out. Earlier this week I got an ORA-1653: unable to extend table on a really big table. However this was just after I had deleted over 2 million rows in the table and we were only inserting 30,000. After reanalyzing the table I saw the following stats in DBA_TABLES: num_freelist_blocks: 2266966 avg_space_freelist_blocks: 3895 Unless I'm misreading this I should have had over 8Gig available for inserts. We tried the insert again and got the same error so I added a datafile and it went through (using about 40Meg of space in the new datafile). Why isn't it making use of the existing blocks on the freelist? Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 PCTFREE = 10 PCTUSED = 75 Block Size = 4K Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paulo Gomes INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858
RE: ORA-1653: unable to extend table - Resolved?
Well, I reduced the PCTUSED and PCTFREE on Friday and a small insert (app. 30,000 rows) seems to have worked as expected. No additional space was claimed and NUM_FREELIST_BLOCKS declined. I'll wait and see what happens during our next large insert. But for now it seems like changing these parameters may have resolved the problem. Jay Miller (with fingers crossed) -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How badly do you want the space back? I believe you will indeed need to touch each row. You could update each row with something like (update set column-1=column-1) Good luck! Barb Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But will this solve my problem in the near term? My understanding is that simply changing the PCT USED won't move the problematic blocks off the freelist until some sort of DML touches the block. Am I correct in this and if so is there any way to resolve it? Jay _ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com now -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Installing Pro*C for 9.2?
I'm installing 9.2 on a test box that needs Pro*C (my other installations were on different boxes that didn't require it). In 8i it was under the Client Installation but I don't see it there now. Is it under some other heading? Am I just not seeing it? Pro*C searches on Metalink turned up tons of irrelevant references. I'm sure the answer is there somewhere... Thanks! Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Backup DB files to the Tape
). Hemant K Chitale My web site page is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Brian Dunbar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: New course for 9i - Dumps/Crashes from Oracle University
That was my reaction after taking the classes. I was, 'gee, if I could take these again in a year I'd really get a lot more out of them'. 3 years ago I thought I was a knowledgeable DBA. Now, I have some idea of how little I know. Jay -Original Message- Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I took this seminar set last year for Oracle 8i. It's really very good, but only a little was able to really soak in. I'm trying to convince manglement to let us go again. I had a professor in college who's first lesson was that he - despite speaking 8 languages, having 2 or 3 doctoral degrees in languages and such, and having many years of teaching experience - was more ignorant than we students. His lesson was The more you know, the more you know you don't know. I am now more ignorant of Oracle than I was a year ago, and I think I could learn more this time. So far, it's not flying, but I haven't given up! Cheers, Mike -Original Message- Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Corporation is conducting these 3 highly technical seminars. Each one of them is a full day class at a cost of $500 per class. http://education.oracle.com/web_prod-plq-dad/plsql/show_desc.redirect?dc=D12 856GC10 http://education.oracle.com/web_prod-plq-dad/plsql/show_desc.redirect?dc=D12 858GC10 http://education.oracle.com/web_prod-plq-dad/plsql/show_desc.redirect?dc=D12 860GC10 -Original Message- Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There will probably be others in the series... Looks like one of the 8i Internals seminars has made it to 9i! Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What is the world coming to? -Original Message- Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L hmmm ... http://education.oracle.com/web_prod-plq-dad/plsql/cdesc?dc=D12856GC10 http://education.oracle.com/web_prod-plq-dad/plsql/cdesc?dc=D12856GC10p_or g_id=1001lang=US p_org_id=1001lang=US Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ALTER TABLE MOVE command causes table to grow
Just wanted to follow up on this in the unlikely event that anyone was still wondering. In retrospect it seems likely that what caused my table to grow while doing the Alter Table Move was the same thing that was causing my problem with new extents being claimed when there was lots of space available in the freelist (same table). When the move command was issued I'm guessing that for some rows Oracle couldn't find a block on the freelist after the first 5 tries that had enough space for the next row and therefore grabbed another extent. I'd guess this table is much larger than it needs to be just now. Once we upgrade to 9i this tablespace is a definite candidate for an increase in blocksize... Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jay: I would also wonder that the PCTINCREASE was on the table and the indexes. 10% PCTFREE is fine, but does lead to a significant number of empty blocks. What is your PCTUSED? If small, you will have lots of free space within blocks. Just a thought. Don't let your disk person know this happened as they may try to sell you more hardware. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:ALTER TABLE MOVE command causes table to grow Had an annoying surprise last week. A table had grown unexpectedly large and I scheduled a time over the weekend to move it to its own tablespace from my medium tablespace. The table ended up growing 50%. I had anticipated it might grow somewhat given the PCTFREE of 10% but freeing up that space in the blocks should, at most, have caused it to grow by 10% (assuming that 10% was completely full). Does anyone have ideas as to why it would have grown by so much? Indexes are in a different tablespace and the only other change was from an extent size of 4 meg to one of 25 meg. Both are dictionary managed tablespaces. Oracle 8.1.7.2 Solaris 2.6 Thanks, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Karniotis, Stephen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Hotsos Clinic
I'd go if I were you. In fact I've been kicking myself that I didn't just go and pay for it myself when they were in NY and my company refused to pay for it. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have an opportunity to attend a Hotsos Clinic. It seems I have heard good things about them on this list, but I thought I might double-check. Is this 3-day class worthwhile or is it an expensive way to sell their product? Will this class be beneficial, even if we don't buy their product? Keith -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Henry, Keith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Was 8.1.6 certified on Solaris 8?
We're upgrading from Solaris 2.6 to Solaris 8 and 8.1.6 to 8.1.7 on one of our boxes. I want to know if it's possible to do the OS upgrade first and then the database upgrade (e.g., I'd be running 8.1.6 on Solaris 8 for a day or so). The Oracle certification matrix only says that 8.1.6 is desupported and therefore doesn't list any certified OS versions for it. Did anyone run 8.1.6 on Solaris 8 or remember if it was ever certified? TIA, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: #of blocks in extent
And of course to calculate you'll need to know your block size and your extent size. -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L UNIFORM SIZE clause of Tablespace, if it is LMT. --- Igor Neyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: INITIAL, NEXT, PCTINCREASE -- if it's not LMT Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:54 PM How many blocks are allocated to an extend . what parameter decides that . Is it some storage param ? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: BigP INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Igor Neyman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = cool amar The best way to express yourself is to be yourself. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Amar Kumar Padhi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Was 8.1.6 certified on Solaris 8?
Thanks everyone! -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are running 8.1.6 against Solaris 8 patch level Generic_108528-15. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We're upgrading from Solaris 2.6 to Solaris 8 and 8.1.6 to 8.1.7 on one of our boxes. I want to know if it's possible to do the OS upgrade first and then the database upgrade (e.g., I'd be running 8.1.6 on Solaris 8 for a day or so). The Oracle certification matrix only says that 8.1.6 is desupported and therefore doesn't list any certified OS versions for it. Did anyone run 8.1.6 on Solaris 8 or remember if it was ever certified? TIA, Jay Miller -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
