[OGD] Re: Stelis sp.
Hi Grieg, My first thought for your Stelis is argentata. It is one of the most common in cultivation here in the states thanks to Andrea Niessen from Colombia. I'm pretty sure it is from Ecuador too... Enjoy, Kathy in MN. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] George's mistake
There have been a couple of posts here suggesting that people were justifying George Norris's actionswhich I think is showing a major misunderstanding...I don't think that anyone here is justifying the actions to which George has pleaded guilty...basically, intentionally mislabelling phrags so that they will pass inspections more quickly. The comments on George's behalf, including mine, were basically an intent to put it in perspective. George did NOT smuggle in P. kovachii, or any wild collected phrag...what he basically did was suggest that legally propagated phrags, mainly P. pearcei, be labelled as another plant to be OK'd more easily by inspectors...basically, a short cut...yes, an illegal shortcut. The fact that the plants in question were released to be sold shows that they were not contraband in and of themselves. The issue that concerns those of us who know George is the severity of the sentence...17 months in jail for George's crime is a crime in and of itself...there are plenty of people who commit crimes of violence who get off with far less. No one is claiming that George is innocent, least of all George himselfbut many of us feel that a crime of this nature, committed by a 65 year old man with no prior history of illegal activity would be better served by a fine, community service, even both. I would certainly not disagree that George's actions will result in increased pressure on orchid importers...I am sure that commercial growers/importers will be seeing effects from this convictionhowever, to claim that George's punishment is appropriate is going too far, to the point of being vindictive. Of course George had a "mouth" on him (if that phraseology is appropriate for computer use...) and offended many people...but then again, just look at how participation on this list increases when people get offended...(more people miss Guido than will ever admit it) But being obnoxious is not a crime, or even an aggravating factor in sentence consideration(Not to mention that anyone who corresponded with George, and got to know him, could get past the bluster, right wing politics, and BS to see that underneath was a genuinely warm and decent person...) At any rate, the issue at this point is not guilt or innocence, right or wrong for the crime...but for the justice. Take care, Eric Muehlbauer in Queens NYplenty of cool growers still outside... ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Catalase and Kathy
There is a powerful enzyme, catalase, present in most cells, bacterial, plant and animal, that converts hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen real quick. The peroxide lasts long enough to put the kabash on many bacteria for a short time, hence its effectiveness in treating crown rot, but if you incorporate it into media it will quickly disappear. Kathy did confuse me about whether or not she believes there is oxygen in air. If roots need to respire, they need certainly need oxygen. Nitrogen is quite inert, reacting only with nitrifying bacteria such as in legume nodules. I was also surprised to learn that Paraquat acts by producing peroxide. It is a powerful inhibitor of cellular respiration; I am unfamiliar with any involvement of peroxide. Bert Pressman ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Peroxide in repotting
K, Your notions about the destructive effect hydrogen peroxide has on cell membranes is correct; the free radical components of H2O2 are highly reactive, however they will seek out the protein receptors in the cell membranes of bacteria and react to completion long before they can do any serious damage to the much stronger plant tissue cell walls (keep in mind that this is a 3% soln). As for paraquat... completely different animal, this is a combination of organic molecules which effectively shut down plant respiration through many different reactions. I am intrigued by the prospect of improving plant tissue generation in chemical rich environments, although I'm not convinced O2 enrichment is the way to go. I have a chemist friend in the cacti/succulent world who has had success using CO2 canisters to deliver foliar nutrients, and swears by it. In most of lit I've read re: this application to orchids, there is an optimal concentration for CO2 under which nutrients will be taken up by the plants that is much lower than that used by my friend (somewhere around 30% is the upper boundary depending on the species you are growing), concentrations above this amount can eventually damage plants. There were discussions back in march about the exact nutrients, micronutrients, pH, etc. needed to sustain rapid growth in CO2 rich environments. As for hydrogen peroxide use, it is valuable (although in slightly higher concentrations of 7-11%) in flasking and tissue culturing applications, and I'm sure the 3% soln for repotting is probably a good anti-bacterial/fungal precaution. One possible concern would be readsorption of excess salts, but flushing with plenty of H2O should solve that. Cheers, S. Moore _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
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[OGD] Getting up-to-date
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[OGD] Re: Cyrtochilum meirax
Thank you to all who responded. I gather the best way to grow this species is on a chain link fence in Santa Barbara, or climbing on a tree in Peru. Failing these, I mounted it on a piece of tree fern with a bit of sphagnum moss. I hope my plant room is not too warm. I investigated putting in a ventilator on a thermostat, but I have to invest in a new sliding glass door instead. Apparently it would have liked our last summer, but the one before that might have killed it. If we have a hot dry summer, I will keep it indoors with my Onc. crista-galli. Iris I am not fat. I need repotting. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] pls MERIDA not MIRIDA
Dear Charlie (Baker) Your advise on climatic conditions for Cyrtochilum meirax are just the thing but I have noticed in several postings that people tend to misspell MERIDA, writing MIRIDA instead. Merida is the capital city and the State of the same name high in the Venezuerlan Andes. A beautiful place with one of the most prestigious universities in the country and my family4s home since the 16th century when it was founded buy Spanish people who arrived from MERIDA in the Castillian lands. There4s another MERIDA in the Americas in the Yucatan Penninsula of Mexico The Roman name for the town in Spain is EMERITENSE __ (oops!, forgot the rest of the name) This posting has nothing to do with orchids but is just to beg people not to misspell the name julie caracas, venezuela ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Euro Green Asia
Hi all I have been in contact with George Hample of Euro Green Asia Orchids from Thailand and he has given me permission to post his email on OGD as an explanation of his position re the damaging info that has been posted here recently. Perhaps this will clear matters up. This email was initially sent to a friend of mine and then passed on to me. I think it is worth pointing out that a group of us orchid lovers from Perth Western Australia visited Euro Green Asia Nursery in Thailand in Feb/March this year and subsequently bought a large shipment of orchids from him. This is not to say that all went without a hitch, but in the long run all turned out well and the orchids that he sent us were in fine condition and well grown. The shipment he mentions is our second which should arrive here within the month. Tony Dear Ken, Thanks for your e-mail and here the answer to it. Mr. David Grove came this year to our orchid nursery, pretending to buy plants. He was looking around, asked many questions and left. We never have heard from him again. Maybe he does not understand our operation at all and I doubt that he has any qualification to judge my qualification as an electrical engineer. For sure he has no qualification to judge our species. Our nursery in Thailand has altogether 362 registered entries of Appendix II and 30 of Appendix I. All of this entries are regularly checked by the Cites department of Thailand. Without an approval from them no plant would leave the country. To the size of our nursery here in Thailand, the plants you have seen there are the one we keep a close watch on and dont entrust them to our growers. Beside this we have approximately another 2.8 hectare with plants to the north-west of Bangkok and three contract growers working for us. Another big part of plants listed in our price list are coming from our nursery in the Philippines, about 24,000 square meter in size, at the Sierra Madre of Eastern Luzon. With both setups together we can claim that we have one of the biggest nursery, cultivating Asian orchid species in Asia. However, it will be a lesson for us to scrutinize people first before we let them in to visit our nursery, especially when they turning a visit later on into adding to a smear campaign. Regarding Mr. Lowder, the announcement at his web page has disappeared already and he has received his plants. We regret that we have not reacted much earlier and shipped the plant before but sometime circumstances are not always in our favor, first our health problems here and than the problem with the Vietnamese Cites department. Ken, please give our regards to Tony and the other members of your group. The plants you have ordered will be delivered as promised and we hope that this mess with Dwayne Lowder will not destroy our so far good relationship. Best regards George and Edith ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Merida, Venezuela
Julie : Thanks for the interesting comments about Merida, Venezuela. About the accents : if we use the appropriate Spanish accent for Merida, it comes out as Mirida. The program used for the OGD, unfortunately, does not allow for the use of accents which English does not use. Un saludo cordial - best regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] OGD V6 # 442; Crime and Punnishment
I was dismayed to see how many self righteous OGDers would support the draconian sentence imposed on George Norris and somewhat relieved that at least Steve Topletz and Eric Muehlbauer saw fit to place the "crime" in a proper perspective. Remember Dickens' "Les Miserables," in which Jean Val Jean was sentenced to jail indefinitely for stealing a loaf of bread for his family. Who, among us, has bothered to look over his shoulder in fear when doing 36 mph in a 35 mph zone? I often place my trash at the curb prior to the mandated 6 PM of the day before trash pick up, without fearing prosecution. Most of us commit technical violations of selected laws with total lack of concern. George regarded his act, violation of a counterproductive law, which is honored widely in its breach, in a similar fashion. His sentence was the result of the blind zeal of US Fish&Wildlife, a judge who was totally unconcerned with the underlying issues [I was at the sentencing hearing], and the modern technology of surveillance. The real issue is not simply whether George broke the law, but rather what would have been an appropriate penalty for his transgression. Certainly not 17 months in jail. Roll over, Dickens, Jean Val Jean has just stolen another loaf of bread! Bert Pressman ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] George Norris
Disclaimer: This is not a political statement. George Norris was a staunch supporter of of George W. Bush, who he called Dubbya or something like that. I think it's ironic that he may have fallen afoul of the Patriot's Act and that at one time the ACLU was reported as thinking of defending him. He is guilty. Although I personally cannot warm up to the man the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Martin Epstein ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] RE: Peroxide/Bert
Hi Bert, From Cornell University's web page on paraquat http://www.css.cornell.edu/weedeco/HI/paraquat.html: "Metabolic pathway inhibited: Paraquat accepts electrons from photosystem I and is reduced to form the paraquat radical, which in turn reduces molecular oxygen to form the superoxide radical; superoxide then reacts with itself in the presence of superoxide dismutase to form hydrogen peroxide; hydrogen peroxide and superoxide react to generate the hydroxyl radical; superoxide and, to a lesser extent, hydrogen peroxide may oxidize SH groups on various organic compounds within the cell; the hydroxyl radical, however, is extremely reactive and readily destroys unsaturated lipids, including membrane fatty acids and chlorophyll; the hydroxyl radical produces lipid radicals which react with oxygen to form lipid hydroperoxides; such lipid hydroperoxides destroy the integrity of cell membranes allowing cytoplasm to leak into intercellular spaces which leads to rapid leaf wilting and desiccation. " Granted the use of household peroxide in a topical application probably wouldn't get involved in the photosystem I pathway, but I didn't know, hence the question. If anyone else has any comments on use of household peroxide I'd appreciate your input. Many times advice is passed along that is wrong or detrimental or just plain myth, so I figured to research the use of peroxide before continuing to advise its use. I came across information that one would encounter online in a routine Google search and asked if there was any science behind it. Personally I thought the ideas were laughable, but figured I'd ask a physiologist (if there were any still on the list) So don't try to bait me with your comments about oxygen in air, Bert. You are just spoiling for a fight and I won't give it to you. K Barrett N Calif, USA There is a powerful enzyme, catalase, present in most cells, bacterial, plant and animal, that converts hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen real quick. The peroxide lasts long enough to put the kabash on many bacteria for a short time, hence its effectiveness in treating crown rot, but if you incorporate it into media it will quickly disappear. Kathy did confuse me about whether or not she believes there is oxygen in air. If roots need to respire, they need certainly need oxygen. Nitrogen is quite inert, reacting only with nitrifying bacteria such as in legume nodules. I was also surprised to learn that Paraquat acts by producing peroxide. It is a powerful inhibitor of cellular respiration; I am unfamiliar with any involvement of peroxide. Bert Pressman -- _ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
Re: [OGD] Getting up-to-date
Comment, Margaret is just trying to get familiar with everyone, and get your data for her address book. However, too much phishing like this is done by unscrupulous persons, who will use your personnel information to masquerade as you, and do all kinds of nasty things. If you want to protect yourself do not give out any more personnel information than is absolutely necessary to transact business. I know people who have had all kinds of problems from giving out too much information to the wrong person and getting bitten. Sorry Margaret, you are probably a wonderful person, but I recommend people not give out any information to anyone. Tom Hillson At 5:44 AM + 10/26/04, Margaret Lomas wrote: OrchidGuide, I'm updating my address book. Please take a moment to update your latest contact information. Your information is stored in my personal address book and will not be shared with anyone else. Plaxo is free, if you'd like to give it a try. Click the following link to correct or confirm your information: https://www.plaxo.com/edit_contact_info?r=8590773408-58659365-267309703 Name: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) Job Title: Company: Work E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work Phone: Work Fax: Work Address Line 1: Work Address Line 2: Work City, State, Zip: Mobile Phone: Home E-mail: Home Phone: Home Fax: Home Address Line 1: Home Address Line 2: Home City, State, Zip: Birthday: ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] George and Eric
Eric, you got it dead right in every respect..Full Stop...I can stand here and defend George til the die I die...I can do so with something on my side that (likely) no one else here can do...George sued the hell out of me and won..big money...for something that some one else did to him...I just happened to have received the plants to grow for the jerk that shafted George...We were bitter enemies for years and he bruited my name around as such..even on this forum...SO...when I stand up and am counted and can state the George has now been screwed worse than he did me..It SHOULD count for something...As Eric said..He is actually a warm and friendly guy...NOT an enemy of the people..We have resolved our problem since this mess...We are now firm friends and he now knows what he did to me. ...Shouldn't I have been happy as hell that this all happened to him when I first heard of it??? Not a chance...The government has been vindictive..way over the line...Kovach...he of the real theft story...got away with his actions with little penalty...Go figure? One hopes that a better outcome may yet transpire...but with this type of regime in power...I would not hold my breath...Bill ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] I agree with many of you.
George Norris did break the law, and he is the first to admit it. However, the punishment he got does not fit the crime and is draconian, as I and others have said before. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
Hello OGDers : Anyone interested in reading 'Les Miserables' by Victor Hugo could go to the searchable online version of the novel : http://www.online-literature.com/victor_hugo/les_miserables/ The word 'orchid' is not used in the novel but the complete story of Jean Valjean is available for perusal. Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
