[OGD] Sorry
I now find that if you hit the wrong subject head at the top of this..the one that ends with "Help" It still goes through..Sorry about that..I ended up with two times what I wanted to say...The other Sorry is to hear about Johns passing..Two good friends in a few days..John was a peach...Wonderful guy..one of those who I missed much after moving to Hawaii. Full of great information he was happy to dispense..and way too young to go...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Fw: Phrag Brasiliense
- Original Message - From: "Bill Bergstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Phrag Brasiliense > Believe it or not, but all too many years ago I used to be one of the > authorities on the Phragmipediums..Spoke all over the US and even wrote > articles in the Orchid Digest...Days long gone I assure you...Now days the > hybrid breeding is churning them out like postage stamps...BUT..since I used > to (when it was legal) collect them and saw the majority of the species in > the wild...I can still make valid statements...Though there are some > similarities...I can testify that Brasilense is NOT vittatum. I have seen > many pictures from many sources lately (Thank you one and all) and I will > not say that it is a species or not...but vittatum it aint...I remember > buying the last fifty plants from Jorge Verboonen back in the eighties in > Brazil...Easy to spot in bloom from yards away...and all those plants got > distributed throughout the U.S. and were used to make various hybrids, I am > sure...So we have twenty years of possibilities here..Vittatum itself is > quite rare...So not too many folks would be expected to easily recognize it > with out back up material...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Rebecca
My wife Dorris and I will always treasure the memory of a dear friend...We often used each others homes for stopovers while speaking or just to get together...She was an inspiration to me and a source of great stories...I will forever smile when I think of the Christmas card, a few years ago, when she wrote of driving completely through her garage in Calif. and gave up her car...Away to Washington she went and I now wish that we had gone up to visit her...Her book..Home Orchid Growing is a classic and can be found in nearly every library anywhere. She was one classy lady but quick to rap your knuckles if you mispronounced a word...a carry over from her teaching days. Another memory was my getting ready to take a picture of her and requesting a smile...She said..I do not have the worlds best smile..I insisted..She really did not...Remember Lucille Ball's spider smile? I could go on for hours..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 234
It will not matter about the topic since Pauline says she cannot get it into the program anyway...too late..but you will just be there at the end and start talking..I DID get you into the newspaper...I include the blurb and you will figure out how best to follow up on it. Be sure to get the plants here plenty early so they can settle in...Figure four days travel. Bill - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 234 > Send Orchids mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Orchids digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 233 (Max) >2. Eating hybrids (Dr. Braem) >3. Bulbophyllum orthosepalum (Linda Petchnick) >4. Banrot (P G Hieke) >5. Re: Banrot (Mike and Candy Joehrendt) >6. Cymbidium zaleskianum (greig russell) > > > -- > > Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:44:57 -0400 > From: Max <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 233 > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "the OrchidGuide Digest \(OGD\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message: 1 > > Lisa, thank you so much! I think you got it right. I managed to find a > photo and it looks right although the tips of the sepals are yellow on mine > and I don't see that in the photo. > > > >From: Lisa Thoerle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Marianna, > > I think your mystery masdevallia is Masdevallia merinoi. Can't be > >sure without a flower, but it sure looks like it from your pictures. > >Consider purchasing Dr. Luer's wonderful series of green books on the > >genus--you can do this on-line at www.mobot.org. > -- > > Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:50:07 +0200 > From: "Dr. Braem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [OGD] Eating hybrids > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "the OrchidGuide Digest \(OGD\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message: 2 > > >Now here is an ideal solution, specially bred hybrids to eat the plant > >inspectors at the border. Maybe there is room for some hybrids amongst my > >collection of species after all! > >:-) For the humour impaired. > >(My apologies in advance to the good doctor for making some fun here, but > >aside from the fun, it does sound like a solution with equal chance of > >success to any other) > >-- > >Rob - Sydney, Australia > > > > > > The idea is great. We must cross /Phalaenopsis gigantea/ with /Drosera > glabripes./ Treat the protocorms with colchecine and radiate them twice > per day at 06:45 an 21:37 (Greenwich +2 [the time is critical!]) with a > Siemens X-Ray apparatus. Then we grow them in the jungle near Caracas > (Sorry Rob, but they wouldn't like Sydney conditions) under supervision > of a shrink who tells the seedlings constantly that CITES people taste > good (if no shirink is at hand, I assume it suffices to play Madonna > songs). Then we put one of these charming plants in each box of orchids > ... I think these plants would be in high demand ... and those stupid > CITES freaks would probably not even get it (as usual) and for lack of > intelligence put /Drosophallus tyrannosauroides/ on Annex I and claim > that the critter is jungle collected. Of course my learned collegue Eric > would claim he met with the plants twenty years earlier in the Peruvian > Andes and that he could save his own only because he bribed them with > two anchovis pizzas he happened to have at hand. My learned collegue > Phillip of course would immediately claim that, really, a Kew expedition > to the high mountains around Loch Ness had discovered the thing but that > for the sake of scientific integrity he had decided ro keep the > discovery secret to protect the habitat ;-) and that the description > is illegal because His [note the capitalization for Deities] manuscript > as /Kewofressus philippomegalomaniacograndus/ was due to be published in > a peer review journal but had been delayed because the typesetter had > taken a leave of absence because of a mild attack of contagious diarrhea > cerebralis after their last meeting. > > Cheers > Guido > Dr. Guido J. Braem > > ) to all typos is mine > -- > > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:32:24 -0700 > From: "Linda Petchnick" <[EMAIL PROTE
[OGD] General Permit
Bobs point is well taken..but first...His plants came from AustraliaConsequently the first port of landing was LAX in California..ALL plants would be unloaded there and sent to the USDA station on LaCienega Blvd and dispensation would be from there...When plants come from Europe they go to Florida etc. on the East Coast. The permit is how they trace you and gives them the ability to clobber you if you do anything untoward...When CITES came into effect I dumped mine and quit bringing in plants...A wise idea to me. Let others do it and just pay more..Besides..you are more likely to get live plants that way. Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Kovachii
There have been hybrids made by legal sources in Peru..They do every bit as badly from flask as the species. Kovachii plants (seedlings) are impossible to grow as far as I or anyone growing them knows..3000 ft is still not good for growing Kovachii..That is a fact..buyer beware..this is not a species that will be common in cultivation..and, sorry to say, so far the hybrid with boissierianum is faring no better from flasks sent here by Silva...(not to me, by the way) So, for the moment, do not waste your money...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phrag Besseae
I was among the first to see it growing in its original location..Only one small seedling left by the time we got there shortly after it was discovered..I wrote an article about it in the Orchid Digest magazine around 1980 or so..I also lectured on it for years..One thing for sure..they grew upwards. The original spot was next to a bit of a waterfall and you could be sure that their roots were kept damp..as I remember the elevation was over 3000 ft..There are pictures of the original site in that first article..and, of course that was in Peru..All the plants that I was to sell (the first in the West) were all from Ecuador..and all prior to CITES. Shipped to me by a famous collector from there. I got $500 apiece for the first plants (in bloom) and sold out in a matter of hours..They were easy to grow..and I believe easier than the Peruvian var. The main thing you had to remember about those first plants is that they were runners..You had to provide a post for them to grow up to do well. With proper breeding that seemed to have been eliminated to some extent..I grew them fine in Thousand Oaks, Calif..so coolness did not seem to matter that much..I was told by my friend Manuel Arias Silva that he discovered a second location in Peru..which he kept secret so they would not be over collected..Most of the plants he sold prior to that came from Ecuador..and he had a maid who made monthly trips by bus, to and fro..to bring shopping bags of them back to his nursery...So the upshot to this is to say that, noI never saw a location where they grew on the flats..and my supplier from Ecuador told me that his plants were extremely high up some cliffs above an army base where he was an officer..collecting them was a real adventure..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phrags
Lots of good stuff coming in to the Digest on Phrags..I might add a bit more to conclude my thoughts on the matter. I, in the good old days, never over collected any orchids, and loathed those that did or do...I cannot imagine why anyone would collect Besseae any longer..It strikes me as stupid and unwarrented...In certain areas I saw reticulatum and the rest of the Phrags in its section, growing cheek to jowel for miles on end..Honestly...I pray they still do..The plants in this section grow on the ground..or down cliffs..but the vast majority that I saw were flat on the ground and thriving..no natural pests (except collectors) you could not work a foot with out stepping on them..(in Peru) I will not ever say where..and they grew on the same cliff where Besseae was first discovered..It did not take long for the Orchid Tour people to locate that place..ripple sole tennis shoe traces were all over the face of that cliff when we visited..and interestingly..no plants but boissierianum could be found DOWN the cliff below the road..Strange..but true..we used rope and investigated all the area below...I doubt that more than two other areas in Peru were found where Besseae grows or grew..lots more in Ecuador...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Peru
While I have the utmost respect for the Moores..and spent time with them in the old days when one could collect in Peru..pre CITES...I have one dispute about what was said in their latest letter..They should very well know that Manuel started flasking in the 80s..I spent many a day (sometimes a month at a time) at Manuels house..and I can assure you that he had a very nice flasking operation going even then...So it does not surprize me that he has full grown plants to sell from flask...and I can also assure you that the K seedlings are genuine...and that he also made at least one hybrid with it...though mine all died...as for whether he is trying to corner the market..I cannot agree with any such action if , indeed, he has purposely done so...just that he does have, and has had, full grown plants from flask..and NOT whether some of the plants to be sold might be collected...that has and always will be done by nurseries..Binot in Brazil was known for that practise..as others, I am sure... ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phrag Richteri
Phrag Richteri was named by Olaf Grus and the plant is the plant that I named Phrag Peruviana..That is a fact..You can see my ads selling it in the AOS in the 80s...that name was taken away from me (and stored in a desk somewhere to be used for his convenience) by you know who...The stated reason was because it was determined (by him) to be a natural hybrid..I do NOT know if this has been confirmed..but no matter..the name would ordinarily been kept with the normal explaination that it was a natural hybrid and with a x behind it...Olaf got a plant and named it after a friend..he did not know then what the story was behind it..we have discussed it and he claims to be sorry for the outcome...Just think of all the stink and troubles that never would have occured if it had been left alone... ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Catasetums
I do well with them as long as I follow the rules..no leaves no water..HOWEVER..with some hybrids you get new growth started as the leaves fall..as long as you have inch or so long roots on the new growth you will have to continue watering..but sparsely..just enough for the new growth to prosper..with some items you will have to be sure that the total growths do not exceed three. as the oldest growth will rot and infect the others..Cycnoches are famous for this..the hybrids do not seem to be affected that way.. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] peruvian Brassia
Looking at the site for unknowns..all are familiar..# one is Warscewiczii..the second one I would deem to be jipijapensis..which I have collected there in the good old days..pre cites..and still have a piece in my collection..It looks a bit off due to the lip..but my slide is way too small in picture to be certain if there were dots..like the picture from Peru..but nothing else is quite the same and no one seems to have any other pix to show jipijapensis..so I would bet on in..I collected ALL of the Peruvian Brassias in my old day there..to include Peruviana..and others that are seldom seen today...Bill Bergstrom___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Norris
I guess I know what is happening with George as well as anyone..since he used to hate me and now we are friends..and his ex partner Dave Hunt keeps me abreast..George has been screwed..as anyone, by now, must know...We all thought he was free and clear..since most of the stuff he was nailed for was bought and paid for from shows..like Miami..and the feds amassed all of those along with what was the plants he got caught for...it is high time all this BS came to an end..they use guys like George..who used to be an enemy, for an crummy example...the plants he was accused of bringing in were legal by the time he was brought to trial..all Phrags..now I have no love for folks cheating..I never have..but have been offered to many times..like I always said..not with a ten foot poleand so have never been accused..and rightfully so..but.fair is fairGeorge is being screwed to be a sign for others...and that is not fair..He IS basically a good enough guy...tought to deal with..but fair...he has been through hell and that is not what this should be all about...come on folks..these are plants..not drugs..though sometimes I wonder...All he ever did was advise to send through Miami because they were less stringent..and by the way..Manuel Arias Silva is an old friend and the first to off er plants to the us...and only to me..and before CITES...so I aught to know...If he had stayed with me none of this would ever have happened..He is a good and honest guy..a college professor..and as decent as they come..and for all of this to have happened to the GOOD guys offends me...It is a sign of overwhelmingbeaurocratism who needs it? Use good sense,,,When I collected Phrags in Peru they were so prevalent that no one could ever own them all..I collected a few..the rest would easily maintain the rest...and so it goes..good thinking goes a long way..and Manuel knew all that..and so did Lee Moore..The more dumb people get into all this..the more problems..Sorry to rant on this way..It is just that I WAS there..for monthes at a time..and KNOW..what I am talking about..SORRY for the dumb ones who do not...I will ridicule you..so do not respond...I was there..you were not..those days are gone..sorry to say...and I WILL die a happy man for what I accomplished for the rest of you..kindly throw flowers on my grave..when my time comes..because most of you benifited..Bill Bergstrom___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Various
It is a shame that more of you folks out there are commenting on things that you have slim knowledge on...ONE...Lee is leaving the AOS...and since I know him well and have great respect for him..having dealt with him and had long personal discussions with him..on all these issues, to include his leaving and why...I tell you as a fact that his leaving is his idea and likely due to the way the AOS is headed...and likely due to the people who are steering it...please remember that Lee did not control nor formulate the things you are complaining about...He is just as upset as you...give a good guy a break...Nothing he did or did not do that you consider negative was his sole responsibility..others told him what he could and could not do...Why would he not recieve bequeaths..??? read between the lines...And as for Manuel..what do YOU know of Manuel??? and better yet...Of Lee Moore..do not make me laugh...You obviously know neither...I use to live with Manuel..He made a mistake and paid for it...escaping OUR system was surely not stupid..and I know how he did ...and why..or would you stay here and rot while your wife was in the hospital in Peru..give me a break...he had a chance and took it..and PLEASE do not paint Lee as mr honesty..I spent a month in Peru with him..good god never again..and I will not go into that..just that NOW he and Manuel have their differences..but it is all due to business edge..it is money folks...They were plenty good friends before Manuel started eating into Lees profits...At any rate...it is not that hard to dig up the TRUE facts on what is going on in Peru now..my guess is that my sources are better than the ones (slanted ones) that I have been hearing here...As a person who spent many months in Peru (in the good old days) and have never quit keeping up on all of it..I would bet that I know more about all this than any of you out there with an ax to grind. Bill___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Grammatophyllum speciosum
They grow very well indeed here in Hawaii..I , and many others, have grown them outdoors here...slow growers at best..must be more than four foot tall to bloom here..though many of them bloom every year...The interesting thing is that the colors are quite variable..I show one on my site that is almost purple blue..It is growing down the street from me in a persons back yard...I sold one, five ft tall to a fellow up the way..He bloomed it and it was yellow with brown markings..though I have seen others here that were somewhat different..with more orange...quite a species..I love em and buy all I can get...but remember...most for sale are years away from blooming...Bill___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Bulbo Blumei
As to whether the two names are the same plant..they surely are..I have received them both under the two different names..and sell the blumei from Wilbur Chang..which has been awarded..and bears his wifes name as the clone...In fact..can you imagine how a flower that looks just like the Masdevallia plant, could not have that name..or be anything else then just the one species..if you get my drift..Bill___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS judges
Please disregard the comments about judges in the previous Digest...One persons comments about judges and judging can hardly be taken seriously..If he has problems where he is..well so be it..I have traveled all over the U.S. and judged at many shows and where I lectured..I find the remarks to be way off base in that the vast majority of the folks judging were a good cross section of intelligent people..who did a fine job when I was there...exceptions are there..and I will not name the one or two..they are not the rule...I also find that a lot of them...a large proportion in some venues, are indeed commercial growers..Nearly all here in Hilo are...and we are ALWAYS trying to get members to put in plants for judging...same for Maui and Oahu...So..please do not believe those tired stereotypes I always hear about fat, old, stupid judges in the system..it aint so..Bill___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Bulbophyllums
Sorry but Emlys book has lots of mistakes..and I love her for doing the book..but mistakes exist...and as for the two names for Blumei...they are absolutely the same plant..distance between bulbs is inconsequential..as you should know...that could be just different clones, for all that...the bloom is what makes the species..at least one like this that is that obvious...and I have and sell thousands of Bulbophyllums..as to joining the two genera...NO it has not been done..though many of us only use Bulbophyllum to make the sales easier..In fact...Emly came up with many new genera in her book..making sales even harder if you do the right thing with the naming...Bill___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS
Sorry folks..I have been with the AOS for 32 years..and while I see some changes..none are as bad as I am hearing..I go back there and talk with them from time to time..I have not always loved some of the magazine editors..names withheld..but lately I am in constant touch with Lee and have received in the mail (I get my issue early) a two page request for my ideas for a better mag..as will all of you who are members...Sorry to be such a bright eyed person on the subject..it takes YOU to make it better..not a bunch of naysayers who quit...sorry again if you fit that mold...but I have seen what they have done and what they are doing..and I find no fault in their trying...support..support and STATE to them..not me or this site..THEM...compain if you must..nothing gets done unless people complain...but quitting is not the answer...If you need to know who to write to..I have the name of the gal...Bill___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Tennis thoughts
I have known Tennis for some time.SorryI cannot believe anyone could come up with such stuff to degrade the AOS...I cannot condone it...What is he talking about? The AOS has done marvels for the American Orchidist..period..the thought that they should go away to suit him or his ilk is odious..Sorry Tennis..thought better of you...where are we going with this? It is OUR publication..WE make it work..As I have said before..make your views known and ELECT the appropriate people..you do not vote and you end up with an endless war..like Iraq..Same thing...No one should complain if they did not do their share to make things better..FURTHER..there is always tomorrow..I sent in my response..and guess why that missive came to my mailbox..cuz you folks complained..and THEY want to make you happy..if you are not..they suffer..that is the way the world works folks..does anyone disagree??? I have lots of mail agreeing with me..and why not...A NEW MAGAZINE...get serious..what a dumb thought..dumb dumb dumb...and after all this..all these messages I have sent...I sure as the devil (language cleaned up) I am not the person to be putting myself in the limelight..witness all the years I have sat back on this magazine and said nothing about other things...(Bulbophyllums and Stanhopeas will get a response every time) and so will the AOS...and JUDGING..watch out all you who dump on THAT system..As a judge who waited until I was perfectly satisfied that I could do something worthwhile for that program..I take GREAT exception to those who poo poo a great part of the orchid world..who the devil do you think you are??? Enough for someone who would prefer to see better things on this organ..William Hubert Bergstrom...(shows my attitude..doesnt it?)___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Lee
Where do people get these things..Lee had nothing to do with the move or the money spent on anything..When you wrote to him, he could only pass it along..He has been maligned for far to long..the reason he is leaving..Others made the decisions for all these years..and who evers name is out front gets all the static..I know Lee better than any of the detractors I have been reading..get off his case..when he says do something about it..he meant YOU..he could not..hence he leaves..Believe me when I say..I dealt with all of his predecessors for 30 years..I know whereof I speak..He was surely one of the best..and a concerning person..He was always out there for us..and contacted me when we had our earthquake wishing to know who may have been hurt by it..and mentioned many AOS members by name...So, I personally do not wish to hear any more disparaging remarks about Lee Cook___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Attitude
Fifty years of the wrong attitude does not make things any better...I will stake my thirty years of good attitude against fifty years of complaining and not making things better any day..period..and I do not intend to answer or read any replies..that is MY attitude..period..one of construction..end of my statements on the subject...no matter who you are and how importent you think you areBill P.S. I have had plenty of emails to join with me in this regard...___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Okay, I lied
I said I would end it..but truely I have one more important piece of information..my friend Lloyd DeGarmo..another Board member..and one who was a board member until last year..a good one..a staunch one..one who loved his position and who was regarded with esteem by all...except,,maybe those who would belittle the AOS..He was my mentor here..He lived down the street..we talked incessently..and when bad things were being said against the AOS he told me what the true situation was..lots of ill will with people that had grudges..mainly...He loved and still, I imagine, loves Lee Cook...He has to this day no bad things to say against him and said many times..those who do are screwed up..even other board membersI will stack up Lloyd against anyone I do not know any day...hugely respected here and in Florida..to say nothing of all those others who knew him..(he is now in a rest home in California) and if he had a computer..or used one,,he would crucify all those naysayers..no matter how many years they were around..I have to say this..I have to...because he really got infuriated when I passed on all the negative stuff written..and more...he had plenty to say about the folks who had axes to grind..he found them to be ...wellI will not go further..SO my main message is...do not believe all you hear from naysayers...no matter how many years in the fold..to mean me too...put your own message out to the right person there..Not just anyone..they will just pass it on or not...if you are a member you will now know who that is..and give them your message..and please..do not listen to those who just have a presumed bitch against who knows what just because they were not happy with those around them..I am tempted to find out about such people..and find out how they got to the point where everyone in the AOS found them to be a jerk...ah well...promise promise again..no more on this...really...___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Gerardus Staal
Gerardus is one of my most favorite people in the world..what a guy...always there for you..and how he does it all in that tiny greenhouse...and I owe him a million thanx for naming a Masdevallia after me...Bill___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Hawaii Orchids
Do not be misled by comments made previously regarding the possible problem caused by moths to Hawaii shipments..in the first place..all and I mean all...orchids from Hawaii are inspected heavily by the exporter before shipping..each plant, generally, is placed in some sort of wrapping after visual inspection...consider the fact that no one in the business that I know has ever even seen one of these moths, much less in his greenhouse, and that they would be ever so easy to see if they were floating around..and certainly none would just sit on the plant waiting to be packed away and shipped...The written and oral comments made by officials have made it clear that the problem is not a big one..and as you might suspect..if the boxes WERE opened in , say California, no one should expect that anything would be found to impound said shippment...think about the chore of inspecting thousands of boxes of various fruits, vegetables and flowers every day in every State...They certainly do not have the resources here to do it in advance..and you might imagine the cost to do it elsewhere.. Each of us has the right to certify his or her plants on site...We are inspected twice a year for any problem areas...like coqui frogs i.e. and word is that there will be a special inspection of our local areas to see just where any problem might layBill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Apple moth
any time that Ag..can make life more difficultwell just guess...You can bet that there will be inspections..but, if believed..they will be on site. and, yes, cost us more..we have two such each year here already..at over thirty dollars each...as long as they can siphon more, they will.. I will be glad to move away..the place is for sale and when sold I am off to Washington state where nurseries are not used for gain by the State...well, at least not to this extent..A far worse problem here are the coqui frogs...yet...have you heard all that much about them? In Wash. I will only have to contend with deer hiding in my packages...Bill ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] judging
You may always display plants as many times as you wish with the notation "Not for AOS judging" many folks do not want to pay for an award...go ahead and display all you want and notate as you wish...Bill Bergstrom AOS judge Hilo, Hawaii. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] frogs
If you think you have a problem with frogs and snakes (we have NO snakes here in Hawaii) try having thousands of Coqui frogs on you property..they sound like loud crickets..which, being from Calif. I am used to...BUT if Agriculture finds them in my nursery I am shut down..so I have 6 cats to patrol and nail them if they are so foolish as to enter where they are not wanted..the cats also take care of the unwary rats and mice..another thing they get handsomely paid for...to the tune of several dollars per day...the price of living in paradise..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Frogs
Coqui frogs, once in a habitat, breed like mad...they went from one frog to thousands on my property at home..all in just a matter of a year or less...they have inundated us on the Big Island of Hawaii and cannot be eradicated by any means yet known...a true pest if there ever was one..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Laelia, Sophronites problem
I would like to know if the testing went deep enough to get beyond the first few stages...It is a fact that you have to go pretty deep into the dna to get proper results..It is so painfully obvious that some one has totally messed up..in no way should Laelia tenebrosa be equated with a Soph...and worse..why not the Laelia as the proper one to use,,,certainly not Sophronites...I will NEVER call my Brazilian Laelias Sophs..never..and I doubt anyone else will either...it is just plain stupid..and someone should be called down on it...more tests are needed..just ask any of the reputable authors...I could quote names I have talked to..but will not...Will all these idiotic changes ever stop? Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] hummingbirds
Interesting, the remark about the hummingbirds and the possibility for pollenating..When in Brazil I went with Jorge Verboonan to see the Sophronites on the trees in a certain location..I notices hundreds upon hundreds of hummingbirds in the location and took movies of them...so..I have to assume that perhaps indeed, they are the pollenators..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Hawaii
Truth is that there are more than one hundred orchid businesses in Hawaii..a lot of them are underground, so to speak..not getting inspections because they do not report to Agriculture...and this is just here...so guess how many really raise orchids in all of Hawaii..many just sell locally and are never seen at shows or the local markets...We have lots of outdoor markets here..and sure enough..those peoples plants are for sale...but through other reputable nurseries...consequently...we see that poinsettas are selling more in the U.S. than orchids..this is not the case...I assure you...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] OGD
For heavens sake..do not end or alter this publication..nothing like it for all us devotees to orchids and gab...I do not know what I would do each day without perusing its contents...it has been fabulous for all of us..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Gublers
tears come to my eyes thinking of them...The father was a good friend and I visited often..what a guy..and what plants..I have not had the opportunity to visit since moving to Hawaii..God knows why...but you could find a jillion neat things to buy then..and I assume now...Other than buying from me..I could think of no better place to go or to buy from..number one of ten fabulous nurseries..second would be ps..I should not say..but a great place in the Chicago area that is very very similar to Gublers..you figure...When it comes to species orchids..there are not nearly enough places to go to in the U.Splenty out of the country that you cannot access except at shows..there should be more...But...here is another toast to Gublers..if you are ever in Southern Calif..you should visit..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ghost Orchid
I agree whole heartedly with all the statements made, but onethere are more than 1000 plants in the world...in the past (and I am sure recently) many flasks have been made of this plant..and many seedlings sold..I used to acquired them from the University of North Carolina..and I, myself, visited the site in the Everglades and saw them growing right off the road..but with plenty of wild reptiles (read Gators) and snakes etc..plus...ranger vehicles watching over what you do...you really would not want to venture out of the road...The place needs protection..it is fabulous..eyes water to think of the beauty..one of our duties is to save such spots...not just for the Ghost Orchids..but other orchids and plants there, to say nothing of the birds...you have never seen anything like those birds...We need better presidents to help the cause..no one could veto such a worthy effort Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] White Magic
I had a lot of it for sale in the past..having gotten it from Stewarts...I selfed it and sold the seedlings, plus bought seedlings from Asia too...all turned out to be bowringeana..and not even white..gained a lot of enemies from that lesson...funny that none of the progeny were aurantiaca of any color...There is a true clone of alba aurantiaca out there..cannot remember the name..but Truford Orchids used to sell it...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cycnoches and Banks
Simply crushed to hear about David...a dear friend...Will wait to send message to him...as for the Cycnoches..I too have failed with them...Strangely they used to grow find for me up until a few years ago...and as said..I likely have over watered them,,,As I grew them in moss and wet like my Stanhopeas..which thrive for me..never killed one..So apparantly watering infrequently must be the charm..who knows what they think is their dry period here in Hawaii..but Jeff Parker grows them superbly on Maui...I guess we should talk to him...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ferry and Orchids
I am not at all sure what the situation was when they confiscated those Orchids on the ferry from one island here and another...it is perfectly legal to ship between islands..my only thought is that those folks could not prove that they indeed were grown and sold to them in Hawaii..I take plants from island to island all the time..It MIGHT be a misunderstanding of the rules..or just not proper identification by the owners Bill Bergstrom Bergstrom Orchids Hawaii ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Guido
This is the email address I have for Guido Braem..worked last time I tried...and he reads this often so he may beat me to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Guido
Ooops!!! according to Olaf Grus Guido Braem has changed his address yet again..newest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] hope this one is the final one..Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Zelenko
Harry Zelenko is an excellent friend of mine and I am happy to see he is still alive and kicking..A new book? what a great thing for the Orchid World...It was such a thrill to help out with his original book..I account for a great deal of the Oncidiums he and his crew illustrated..that is back in the old days when one could collect in the wild..Only place I couldnt (read wouldnt) collect them was in Venezuela..It was worth your life to go out in the wild there..too many bad people then...I was heart broken when he moved and we could no longer visit with him in New York...He has lots of great stories in him...What A Guy...Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Houston Tex
My best friend in the world is Dave Hunt in Houston..He will phone as soon as they are able..so...the phone wires and electricity are still down as of the 20th..and that is the longest we have gone in twenty years without talking Bill Bergstrom ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Machu Picchu
Speaking with great love of a place I used to practically live in for weeks at a time...It is truly sad if things are the way depicted in the story on your site yesterday..You could not walk around the areas there without stepping on Orchids..How wonderful it was, and hopefully, still is..I give a talk on it from time to time...Bill Bergstrom, Bergstrom Orchids... ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
