[OGD] Gramatophyllum speciosum
The newspaper report on the four-inflorescence blooming of the species in NY shows what happens when a reporter writes about something without seeing other exemplars of the subject matter. Of course, for a person in NY state that is an immpressive flowering of the species. For some people in the tropics that is a small flowering of the species. I wonder how would the writer of the article reacted had he seen this album of a blooming plant of Gramatophyllum speciosum http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/58901890bpvzPO :) _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Searching for Copy of article
Does anyone of you have access to Bill.Pac. Orch. Soci. Hawaii 14: 85 (1957). If so could you help me accessing a scan. I am interested in the description given by Moir to Trichopasia and Oncidasia. TIA _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] On the issue of what is a species?
Eons ago, my college General Biology Teacher, defined thbe term species as "whatever an extremelly drunk taxonomist decided ". To this day, I dont remeber if the controlling concept was "taxonomist "or "extrenelly drunk" José _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Another Request
First of all, thanks to all the people that have responded. Their help is appreciated and will be dully noted. In the process of reviewing the articles and the literature, the following article citation was found. Williams, N.H. 1974. Taxonomy of the Genus Aspasia (Orchidaceae: Oncidieae) Britonnia 26: 233-346 Your help in finding a copy will be appreciated. TIA José _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Another request
I would be grateful if someone helps me obtain a copy of the following: Williams, N.H., and Whitten, W.M. 1983. Orchid floral fragrances and male euglossine bees: methods and advances in the last sesquidecade. Biol. Bull. 164:355-395. TIA Jose _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Help needed
I am helping a friend who is researching the species Aspasia epidendroides. He is looking for copies of the following articles: 1. American Journal of Botany, Vol. 76, No. 1 (Jan., 1989), pp. 67-73 2. Ann. Missouri Bot. Gard. 36: 165 (1949). 3. J. Bot. (Hooker) 1: 6 (1834). 4. Ann. Bot. Syst. 6: 851 (1864). 5. Index Seminum (B) 1853: 12 (1853). 6. Bull. Misc. Inform. Kew 1892: 210 (1892). 7. Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 139 (1833). 8. Allg. Gartenzeitung 12: 218 (1844). 9. Orchid Digest 38/2 1974 Your help in finding them would be appreciated. Thanks José _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Bulbophyllum simmondsii
The description of Bulbophyllum simmondsii Kores can be found in Allertonia 5: 146 (1989). http://worldcat.org/wcpa/top3mset/c89eabc711848f7a.html gives you a listing of close to 63 libraries that have Allertonia in their library. Do not pay attention to the column that read miles as that is the measurement of the library to San Juan :). As you can see the first two libraries are in Gainesville. Hope I have helped. Jose _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Bulbophyllum cochleatum var brachyanthum
Hi Friends: My computer crashed and with it my Wildcatt went down the tubes. I want to help a friend who is doing research on Bulbophyllum cochleatum var brachyanthum . So , I would appreciate if you can help me find a copy of the following (and send them to me) : J. Proc. Linn. Soc., Bot. 6: 125 (1862). Rev. Zool. Bot. Africaines 9(Suppl.): 28 (1921). Kew Bull. 8: 144 (1953) Bull. Jard. Bot. Natl. Belg. 56: 231 (1986). I will also appreciate if those of you who have AOS-awards or Orchidwhiz or Wildcatt search and send me a copy of the descriprion for the CHM that was granted to a Bulbophyllum bequaertii var brachyanthum and please check if any other awards have been granted under that name or under the Bulbophyllum cochleatum var brachyanthum name. Any help would be appreciated . TIA Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] The Miami WOC: I heard it through the grapevine
That the Miami WOC Organizing Committee (Read: Robert Fuchs) is proposing a change for the WOC from the originally proposed date to of all months JANUARY. Is this true? What criteria did he used to change the date? Are there enough flowers in the Northern Hemisphere , specially the US to have a successful show of that magnitude in January? What is the AOS position on this? What is happening? Is everyone going nuts? Please anyone with information, clear the air. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Schomburkia compacta
Could it be Schomburgkia thompsoniana var minor Strachan ex Fawc. 1894 or Schomburgkia thompsoniana var minor Hkr. 1902 ? Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Epidendrum microcattleya : ARGHHHHHHHHHHH
Icones answered Jose, All that is in #9 is the transfer from Neolehmannia (I can send that to you If you want). Krannzlin named the species in Fedde Rapertorium Specierum Novarum Regni Vegatabilis I :180 (1906) (Schweinfurth however records the Date as 1905). Which I don't have. TY Icones . It is a start. Does anyone have access to the Kranznlin Article? And or to an illustration or picture of the species Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] I am searching for a copy of the article in which
Epidendrum microcattleya (Kraenzl.) Schltr was described . That means I am looking for : Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. Beih. 9: 150 (1921). Also I would appreciate any illustration or picture of the species. TIA Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Guarianthe (Name Changes)
Yes I know about Kew's stance. As I pointed out to the very nice lady that sent me a copy of Beckner's article (and who doesn't consider me a nut case even though I don't lice Macs or Word) , my statement should have been written better. All I wanted to point out is how Shaw added to the nomenclature mess by accepting Guarianthe , publishing a gazillion nothonegenric combinations (ok I exaggerate: it was not a gazillion, but still a lot) and then in less that what it takes to say zippeedeedoodah , dropped Guarianthe like one drops a bad habit because of Epicladium. Since the nice Lady, for reasons of her own, reads OGD but does not answer in the list, I want to say to her: You rock TY for the articles you sent me. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Paphiopedilum concolor var longipetalum
Hi I just saw a picture of what was described as Paphiopedilum concolor var longipetalum (Rolfe) Gruss & Iam. The flower pictured was beautiful and interesting to say the least. I have tried searching for the publication data for the plant in question ( in an attempt to get a copy of the article by Gruss and Iam) and could not find a reference in to it in IPNI, MOBOT or Kew's World Checklist. Can anyone help me find it? TIA Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Name Changes
Quote: "Three years ago, Cattleya skinneri was renamed Guarianthe skinneri. Cattleya aurantiaca... Has become Guarianthe aurantiaca." In less than 3 months the Guarianthe was eliminated as an accepted name by Shaw (This after he created almost a gazillion names for generic combinations with the new genera.) According to Shaw another generic name had priority ( If memory doesnt failme it was Epicladium). Re: Mr Lodyga He is one of the AOS judges with most seniority (continous service as an accredited judge) in the system. Not that he is old he started young :)...and I doubt anyone can mess with his head. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Are you sure you want a plant's only discussion group?
I am willing to bet you a division of my Schombonia Summertime that you will return to this list within 3 minutes of being on a "plants only group" as you would be probably bored out of your mind. I discovered the hard way that I many not have to agree with everything posted in this list, hey I may not have to like the people posting in this list ( There are some that to be charitable can only be described as an acquired taste) and not everyone has to like me BUT good information is exchanged here by real people: warts and all. For what is worth: I rather go through through the episodes of flaming that happen here than suffer through the hell of Political and Intellectual correctness that permeates some forums . That PC ness reduces the experience of participating in them to the equivalent of sucking a lemon or eating liver with onions ... ( Insert a blch emotie here) Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Thanks
Just a short note to thank Eric Christenson for the courtesy of a copy of his manuscript on Stenorrhynchos. Ty Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Stelis maxima
A careful review of the published names listed in Kew's World Checklist of the monocotyledons shows that the name Stelis maxima has been used TWICE. To wit: Stelis maxima Lindl., Ann. Mag. Nat. Hist. 15: 106 (1845).And Stelis maxima (Luer) Pridgeon & M.W.Chase, Lindleyana 16: 264 (2001), nom. Illeg. So from the get go, it is clear from the inspection of Pridgeon/Chase name as listed in Kew that the name is not legitimate and the reason for the illegitimacy is clear: the name was previously used by Lindley in 1845 which gives the Lindley's name priority over the Pridgeon/Chase one. Further review shows that Pridgeon and Chase were offering a recombination of a Lauer proposed name. So let's review the publication history: Luer described : Pleurothallis maxima in Selbyana 3: 140 (1976). So there is an easy way to study what he meant by the concept. In 2001 Pridegeon and Chase moved what was called a Pleurothallis to the genus Stelis keeping the specific epithet. As this yielded a non legal combination, they republished their work assigning a new species epithet : Stelis dapsilis Pridgeon & M.W Chase, Lindleyana 17: 99 (2002). So that is why the Pridgeon/Chase "maxima" became dapsilis. To make things more fun : Luer moved the Pleuthallis maxima to a new genus in 2004: Crocodeilanthe maxima (Luer) Luer, Monogr. Syst. Bot. Missouri Bot. Gard. 95: 256 (2004). This name, for what it is worth, has not been accepted by Kew ( Small reminder Kew is the AOS designated arbiter on nomenclature/) So lets take the other Stelis maxima : the Lindley concept which is a diferent concept from the Luer and Pridgeon/Chase' concept. Stelis maxima Lindl., Ann. Mag. Nat. Hist. 15: 106 (1845). Kew has records of its gepgraphical distribution from Costa Rica to Peru (Costa Rica, Panama Colombia, Ecuador and Peru). Stelis allenii L.O.Williams, Ann. Missouri Bot. Gard. 29: 338 (1942). I have not not read the descriptions in this case but, it seems, that the compilers at Kew have determined that what LO Williams described in 1942 is the same concept that Lindley described almost a century before. Thus, Lindley's name has priority and is the one that should be used. This could be verified by tracking and analyzing both publications. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] The Pleurothallis
Probably the name was mispelled and the correct one be :Pleurothallis navicularis Lindl., Fol. Orchid. 8: 6 (1859). This name is a considered by a synonym. with the accepted Name (by Kew and thus the name that AOS accepts ) is : Pleurothallis loranthophylla Rchb.f., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 10: 674 (1852). José ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] World Orchid Society
I would surely like more information before I pass judgement. As of now, too little information. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Careful Jose
Andy: I am not scared of vitriol in response to my interventions. First of all: I think that there is a certain nuttiness ingrained in all of us , Orchid addicts, that makes strongly worded differences (Am I getting PC with old age?) expected and forgivable. (Kumbaya plays softly in the background). Second: As to the orchid friend you refer to, I have found him extremely honest and civil with me so, I am not worried about vitriol from him. I may not agree with some of his political statements, but I will not deny him his rights to them. And to be honest, I find it incongruous that those who react to him in such a violent way as they have reacted deny him the same right to a strongly formed opinion as they ask for themselves. Third: Encyclopaedic as it is the Kew Checklist is not complete, it has errors and it is the reflection of the personal opinion of the compilers. There is no final arbiter in the field of Taxonomy except use through time. That said: What really had me worried about my statement regarding Vanilla tahitensis was the fact that for the first time in eons you were in accord with a statement coming from the oracle at Kew. I was worried sick about the effect of that on your heart. I am happy your heart took the shock well. :) In friendship José ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Vanilla
Seems that Andy and Kew agree on the synonym status of Vanilla tahitensis. To wit: Vanilla tahitensis J.W.Moore, Bernice P. Bishop Mus. Bull. 102: 25 (1933). This name is a synonym. Accepted Name:Vanilla planifolia Jacks. ex Andrews, Bot. Repos. 8: t. 538 (1808). Family:Orchidaceae Original Compiler:R.Govaerts 11/11/2003 Synonymized By: Govaerts, R. (2003). World Checklist of Monocotyledons Database in ACCESS: 1-71827. The Board of Trustees of the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew. [as Vanilla planifolia] Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Need help: Cattleya storeyi H.G.Jones
I am looking for information regarding this species. The closest I have been able to get is to a reference in Brenesia 10-11: 123 (1977) Does any one of you have access to this Journal or point me out where I can find a copy of the article? Any other help is appreciated. José ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Jose
Hi there. Iris my apologies for the slowness in response to your queries about my health. Things have been going fast around me (including an approaching Show with all the planning that it entails ). Last July I left for Mayo Clinic , Rochester Minnesota. My health was in shambles to the point that it was feared that my endocrine system was compromised with Cancer, I was in constant pain and my oxygen saturation levels (specially at night )were at the chronic and severe hypoxia levels. I am lucky my Critical care doctor referred me to the Clinic. First of all there is no cancer , the problems with the endocrine system and the metabolism were identified and are being taken care of, several medical situations that were the cause for the severe pain I was feeling have been corrected ( I am very very happy to say without major surgeries) and I have started the slow but sure process for healing. Important: for the first time in eons, my blood pressure and diabetes are under control . I have been placed in a treatment option that if all goes as planned will help me to be weaeaned from Insulin in the near future, several of the medications I was taken are not longer being taken ( so my treatment options have become more simplified) and I am shedding some poundage at a very nice and safe rate while relearning how to eat and how to live. This September 13th I will be publishing the results of the first month of the "Plan" at the Orchid Source Forum ( www.theorchidsource.com ) the orchid people that meet there have been helping me a lot as part of my extended support group. Thanks a lot for caring. In friendship José ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] On Den susuki...(an others)
Interesting ... all we have is a validly described species (as the publication of the species satisfies all the requirements of the Code for Botanical Nomenclature) , a taxonomical authority validating said species but ,WOUZA !!!, said species is called a forgery by many. Talk about intrigue Aren't taxonomy and nomenclature fun? BTW Iris, the AOS has a procedure to correct the names of awarded species where there is evidence that the species has been misidentified and/or when the name of the species has been changed. The problem is that it takes an accredited judge to start the procedure rolling. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] The genus Aa
It is two syllables and it is pronounced A A(Short strong As with a pause between the syllables ) :Evil Grin Smilie here: Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Myrmecophila christinae refernces (From the Kew Monocotyledons Checklist)
I found this: Myrmecophila christinae Carnevali & Gómez-Juárez, Harvard Pap. Bot. 5: 434 (2001). This name is accepted. Distribution : SE Mexico to Belize There is also a Mimercophila christinae var. christinae with the same distribution and Myrmecophila christinae var. ibarrae Carnevali & J.L.Tapia, Harvard Pap. Bot 5: 437 (2001). Whose distribution is SE Mexico If memory does not fail me in the issue of Orchids whose cover is in this URL http://forum.parishianae.com/Buch/orchids0408.jpg there is an article about Myrmecophila christinae This GOOGLE Search yields some information on the species : http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD GGLD:2004-43,GGLD:en&q=Myrmecophila+christinae Hope I have been helpful. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Epistephium link
Again, Nina Rach comes to the rescue. http://sobralia.autrevie com/Epistephium_TheGenus.html It has some pictures. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] The Mistery Sobralia from Peru
I did a search on the Sobralias annotated for Peru (it is so nice to have the advance search feature in the Kew Monocot Checklist) and I got the following names listed. So it seems that Sobralia macrantha cannot be the plant in question. According to the Kew list, this is the geographical distribution of Sobralia macrantha: 79 MXC MXG MXS MXT 80 BLZ COS ELS (Mexico and Central America). The second thing I have done is do a Google search of each of the species listed. It yielded results for many of the species in the list I have added ONE URL that I found can help you (basically those who have photos) following the name of each species. Those you can cut and paste if the links do not work. 1. Sobralia altissima D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Orchids 68: 1112 (1999). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_altissima.html 2. Sobralia biflora Ruiz & Pav., Syst. Veg. Fl. Peruv. Chil.: 232 (1798). http://www.peruorchids.com/galeria/s/sobralia/sobralia-biflora1.htm 3. Sobralia bletiae Rchb.f., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 10: 713 (1852). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_bletiae.html 4. Sobralia calliantha D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 760 (2001). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 5. Sobralia candida (Poepp. & Endl.) Rchb.f., Fl. Serres Jard. Eur. 8: 247 (1853). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobcandida.htm 6. Sobralia ciliata (C.Presl) C.Schweinf. ex Foldats, in Fl. Venezuela 15(1): 175 (1969). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_ciliata.html 7. Sobralia crocea (Poepp. & Endl.) Rchb.f., Fl. Serres Jard. Eur. 8: 247 (1853). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_crocea.html 8. Sobralia decora Bateman, Orchid. Mexico Guatemala: t. 26 (1842). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_decora.html 9. Sobralia dichotoma Ruiz & Pav., Syst. Veg. Fl. Peruv. Chil.: 232 (1798). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_dichotoma.html 10. Sobralia dorbignyana Rchb.f., Xenia Orchid. 2: 179 (1873). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 11 .Sobralia elisabethiae R.H.Schomb., Verh. Befoerd. Gartenb. Preuss. 15: 137 (1841). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobelizabetiae.htm THIS NAME IS REDUCED TO A SYNONYM OF Sobralia liliastrum Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 177 (1833). BY THE PEOPLE AT KEW 12. Sobralia fimbriata Poepp. & Endl., Nov. Gen. Sp. Pl. 1: 54 (1836). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobrfimbriata.htm 13. Sobralia hirta D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 762 (2001). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_hirta.html 14. Sobralia klotzscheana Rchb.f., Linnaea 22: 815 (1850). http://www orchidspecies.com/sobklotscheana.htm 15. Sobralia liliastrum Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 177 (1833). http://www orchidspecies.com/sobliliastrum.htm 16. Sobralia macrophylla Rchb.f., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 10: 713 (1852). http://sobralia.autrevie.com/Sobralia_macrophylla.html 17. Sobralia rosea Poepp. & Endl., Nov. Gen. Sp. Pl. 1: 54 (1836). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobruckeri.htm 18. Sobralia ruparupaensis D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 763 (2001). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 19. Sobralia scopulorum Rchb.f., Xenia Orchid. 2: 176 (1873). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 20. Sobralia setigera Poepp. & Endl., Nov. Gen. Sp. Pl. 1: 54 (1836). http://www.ne jp/asahi/orchid/sophronitis/DSC03165Sobralia_setigeraMachu2000-2500_500x375 jpg 21. Sobralia stenophylla Lindl., Fol. Orchid. 5: 2 (1854). http://www orchidspecies.com/sobstenophylla.htm22. Sobralia suaveolens Rchb.f., Gard. Chron., n.s., 9: 622 (1878). THIS NAME IS REDUCED TO A SYNONYM OF Sobralia bletiae Rchb.f., Bot. Zeitung (Berlin) 10: 713 (1852). BY THE PEOPLE AT KEW 23. Sobralia violacea Linden ex Lindl., Orchid. Linden.: 26 (1846). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobviolacea.htm 24 . Sobralia weberbaueriana Kraenzl., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. 1: 188 (1905). I was not able to find a picture containing url . My apologies 25. Sobralia withneri D.E.Benn. & Christenson, Icon. Orchid. Peruv.: t. 764 (2001). http://www.orchidspecies.com/sobwithneri.htm It is obvious that this search would have not been as productive as I think it was if it wasnt for the work from many photographers who are willing to share their photos and of compilers of information such as the people at Kew Jay Norris of Orchid Species Fame and , last but not least, Nina Rach whose Sobralia Pages are a mother lode of information. To all of them my thanks. I wish you fun in finding the mistery Sobralia. Jose. PD > Oliver my apologies for no cc this to you I deleted by mistake your email addy. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Epidendrum sanctaclarense
I did a search and found the following: http://www.mobot.org/manual.plantas/047713/S048587.html In this page I found a description of three specimens of the species . In one case it is described as a dark green flower , in another as a white flower. 820 m - 2200 meters and in a comment made in the third specimen annotation, it is mentioned that it grows alongside Odontolglossum hortensiae, ( Accepted name now being: Rhynchostele hortensiae (Lucas Rodr.) Soto Arenas & Salazar, Orquídea (Mexico City), n.s., 13: 149 (1993). ) I hope I have added a little more info to add to the knowledge database. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Aerides;
Isn't nomenclature fun? Jose. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dendrobium broncartii , amabile ,and furcartum info
A review of the Kew Database yields the following: 1- Dendrobium furcatum Reinw. ex Lindl., J. Proc. Linn. Soc., Bot. 3: 13 (1859). Homotypic Synonyms: Callista furcata (Reinw. ex Lindl.) Kuntze, Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 654 (1891). Dolichocentrum furcatum (Reinw. ex Lindl.) Brieger, Schlechter Orchideen 1: 659 (1981). Heterotypic Synonyms: Dendrobium amabile Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. 8: 505 (1910). Dendrobium sarasinorum Kraenzl. in H.G.A.Engler (ed.), Pflanzenr., IV, 50 II B 21: 55 (1910). Dendrobium celebicum A.D.Hawkes, Orquídea (Rio de Janeiro) 24: 114 (1962). 2- Dendrobium bronckartii De Wild., Gard. Chron., III, 39: 380 (1906). This name is a synonym. Accepted Name:Dendrobium amabile (Lour.) O'Brien, Gard. Chron., III, 46: 393 (1909). Three are two annotations for Dendrobium amabile one related to a- Dendrobium bronkartii Synonym :Dendrobium amabile Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. 8: 505 (1910), nom. illeg. and o b- one related to the issue of Dendrobium furcatum Dendrobium amabile (Lour.) O'Brien, Gard. Chron., III, 46: 393 (1909). Accepted Name:Dendrobium furcatum Reinw. ex Lindl., J. Proc. Linn. Soc., Bot 3: 13 (1859). That should explain why Dendrobium broncartii is not listed among the synonyms for Dendrobium furcatum ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] The gender of Aerides
I checked my archives in the mess that is my desk and found the following Registrar's Notes published in NEW ORCHID HYBRIDS March - May 2002 REGISTRATIONS Supplied by the Royal Horticultural Society as International Cultivar Registration Authority for Orchid Hybrids: REGISTRARS NOTES Aërides roseum Loddiges ex Lindl. & Paxton Formerly treated as a synonym of Aërides multiflorum Roxb., from which it may be distinguished by a triangular, sharply acute mid-lobe of the lip and an ovary and pedicel exceeding 1 cm in length, this taxon is now recognised as a species for registration following several recent publications. The name has also been spelled as Aërides rosea. However, the genus takes its name from the Greek Aer, air, which is neuter,and this should be reflected by the inflection of the specific epithet as roseum (neuter) rather than rosea which is feminine. Aërides fieldingii Williams and Aër. williamsii Warner remain as synonyms of Aërides roseum. For description see: Pearce, N. R. & Cribb, P. J. (2002) The Orchids of Bhutan p. 495, published as Flora of Bhutan 3(3), by RBG Edinburgh & Royal Government of Bhutan. For illustration see:Bechtel, Cribb & Launert (1986) The manual of cultivated orchid species p. 229. Please refer to the comment made on the correct name of the species in question and the explanation given by the Registrar. Hope I have Helped Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Encyclia
The derived name is female... so the specific epithet should be female. Notice I said should, remember one of the quirks of nomenclature rules is that even though concordance in gender is required, an author can mispell a name and the name still be valid. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Slc Anzac, AOS and Wildcatt
Wildcatt does not include Awards prior to 1970 : the awards recorded in the Register of Awards and its six Supplements. Slc Anzac 'Kelly' AM/AOS was granted with point score of 80 points at the Regular Judging meeting held at the Oakland Center on October 1963. It is recorded at RA Supplement IV , page 687 . The record includes a picture. The Cultural Award for the owner of 'Orchidhurst' was granted with point score of 82 points at on March 1967. It is recorded at RA Supplement VI page 1040 . Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Slc Anzac
'Orchidhurst' , netted the owner a culture award in 1967. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Catasetum arachnoides Ames, Amer. Garden 19: 741 (1898). and Catasetum arachnoideum Ames, Amer. Garden 19: 741 (1898).
Dalton: I checked the Royal Botanical Gardens KEW World Check List and found that they consider Catasetum arachnoides Ames, Amer. Garden 19: 741 (1898). to be a synonym. of Catasetum callosum Lindl., Edwards's Bot. Reg. 26(Misc.): 77 (1840). But , they consider Catasetum arachnoideum Ames, Amer. Garden 19: 741 (1898). an accepted name and therefore not a synonym of Catasetum callosum Lindl. Hope I have helped. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be stepped on....
That said, let me try to explain the CBR, CHM, CBM issue as well as another issues raised in the thread. The CBM is an old award used to be granted by the AOS. Its full name was Certificate of Botanical Merit, the criteria for granting it combined both the criteria of rarity and educational value as well as horticultural merit. The problems caused by the interpretation of the criteria (problems that still exist) had the effect that the effect that in the Mid 70's the judging powers that be set up 2 awards derived from the CBM: The CBR or Certificate of Botanical Recognition that is granted by the affirmative vote of a percentage of the judging team WITHOUT point scoring. The award basically recognizes that the species is rare and has educational value. Ah Peter, you say what freaking judging system can consider Acriopsis liliifolia (J.König) Seidenf., Opera Bot. 124: 58 (1995). as rare as you ascertain it grows like a weed? Here, my friend the issue is how you define what is rare. I don't have to be a statistician to say that in most AMERICAN judging systems Acriopsis liliifolia would indeed be rare given its distribution: Sikkim to NW. Pacific [40 EHM 41 CBD LAO MYA THA VIE 42 BOR JAW LSI MLY MOL PHI SUL SUM 43 NWG SOL 50 QLD 62 CRL] (Note: my apologies for not translating the distribution codes). And if we were talking about Acriopsis liliifolia var. auriculata (Minderh. & de Vogel) J.J.Wood, Orchids Sarawak: 120 (2001). the distribution is even narrower Indo-China to W. Malesia [41 MYA VIE 42 BOR JAW MLY SUM] It will be also rare given its "history": Originally described as Epidendrum liliifolium J.König in A.J.Retzius, Observ. Bot. 6: 61 (1791). it was only placed in its correct place as Acriopsis liliifolia 204 years latter in 1995 : plant is known by its accepted name a measly 10 years with variety auriculata known about 5 years ago. If one check the synonyms : Acriopsis javanica Reinw. ex Blume, Bijdr.: 377 (1825). Spathoglottis trivalvis Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 120 (1831). Acriopsis picta Lindl., Edwards's Bot. Reg. 29(Misc.): 69 (1843). Acriopsis griffithii Rchb., Bonplandia 2: 92 (1854). Acriopsis nelsoniana F.M.Bailey, Queensland Agric. J. 3: 160 (1898). Acriopsis papuana Kraenzl. ex K.Schum. & Lauterb., Fl. Schutzgeb. Südsee: 250 (1900). Acriopsis sumatrana Schltr., Oesterr. Bot. Z. 50: 249 (1900). Acriopsis philippinensis Ames, Orchidaceae 2: 215 (1908). Acriopsis annamica Finet, Notul. Syst. (Paris) 2: 25 (1911). Acriopsis floribunda Ames, Orchidaceae 6: 306 (1920). Acriopsis insulari-silvatica Fukuy., Trans. Nat. Hist. Soc. Taiwan 28: 3 (1938). Acriopsis harae Tuyama, J. Jap. Bot. 39: 129 (1964). Acriopsis javanica var. floribunda (Ames) Minderh. & de Vogel, Orchid Monogr. 1: 13 (1986). we are speaking also of "old and not widely known names". It is if I were to bring to your neck of the woods Pleurothallis aristata, chances are it would be rare there , not because the species is rare perse but, because your judges ( as well as judges in other systems) are not taxonomists and are not expected to know and or see every species in the genus Pleurothallis, Acriopsis or whatever. So the award is is kind of a recognition that the plant exists and was brought for judging and that the team considered it notable. 2- The CHM, the Certificate of Horticultural Merit is point scored. Lets say that although I find Andy's assertion that is given to a plant you mow around , not over it funny I cannot agree with wholeheartedly: the CHM carries the connotation that the plant has desirable qualities for hybridizing and/or it is being evaluated in recognition that other clones of the may be presented for judging ( including a second showing of another flowering of the clone granted the CHM) setting a preliminary standard to which those other flowering can be considered in the event they are nominated for a Flower Quality award. Yes in the AOS systems species have been evaluated for flower quality in their first try at a judging table Paphiopedilum armeniacum 'First Son' FCC/AOS comes to mind. I cannot say because of it but after that FCC many stunning species went the CHM route before another cultivar being granted the flower quality award. Masdevallia decumeana is one of them ( As a mater of fact the plant that was granted the CHM was selected by the AOS to be the Best Pleurothallid exhibited that year over plants that had been granted flower quality awards.) This CHM before flower quality award seems to be the preferred way in the AOS system now. So, I hope I have been of help in clearing the issue. In friendship Jose PS Because a plant is weedy and common that doesn't mean it has been shown for or granted an award. To wit: Arundina gramminifolia a weedy species, landscaping-pot-plant per excellence ... yet the first award granted to an Arundina gramminifolia was a CC
[OGD] Re: Peter or any one interested in Judging
Hi Peter, First of all, I wouldn't refer you to AQ to see the nice pictures and descriptions as that part is a mere record . I could refer you to the multiple articles where seasoned ( and not so seasoned )judges have delved into issues that need to be resolved for the AOS system to be understood, examples of these articles are the series by the late Richard Peterson ( and other subsequent articles) on the language used to describe the awards: the words that convey the idea , the rationale for the award; the recent articles on the description of color and the photographic record of awarded plants; the Griesbach article on reciprocals (where in 2 pages a lot of questions are raised for the judges to ponder); the issue of size, judging ethics, etc. There my friend you can find a lot of answers for some questions you raise. Not all but a start. If I referred you to the New Zealand Rules and The South African Rules it is because both have evolved and have been adapted from the AOS rules, their study can yield some information on how other countries have adapted a standard to meet their needs . That is why I am searching for the rules of other Award Granting societies to keep learning. That said, let me jump into the deep waters. I am not a judge. My academic training has yielded me the knowledge on how to analyze documents, content and the use of words in the field of the qualitative analysis of subjectivity. Yes subjectivity as the judging process regardless of what it is being judged is a most subjective one and the fact that a group of like-minded individuals try to reach a consensus on what criteria must be met and how "translatable" are their standards vis a vis other standards, will not erase the subjective nature of the process. Let me offer some comments regarding your search for an international standard. The first problem you will have in searching or trying to reach an international standard is that not even in the "Big" countries where supposedly there are national standards ; that happens. IMHO ( and I invite any AOS judge who will like to differ from me to state his/her reasons) the AOS Judging system is not national in practice and cannot be given the fact that there are more than 30 geographically distributed judging centers and hundreds of shows where AOS Awards are given. That is reflected in the not so subtle differences that a careful reading of the judging records reflect. This is also reflected in the way different judging centers train their judges and in the eternal saga of the AOS Judging Committee trying to agree on a national training policy. I would like to hear your ideas on how to establish an "International Training Manual". That diversity of geographical and seasonal variables, improves the chances that a judge in a region will see different genera, different type of specimens and even different type of exhibits than other judges. Thus, a judge will react differently to certain genera than to others to the point of applying standards that are even more strict than those published as the national norm. ( The fact that this happens and its effects on a national system can be discussed ad infinitum.) One judges what one sees and a judge must react to what he/she sees WHERE he sees it: one cannot expect the same type of references your "international" standard requires at a show run in a shopping center than at a judging session run at a a botanical garden. Thus the problem of accessibility of the references is real. Again I would appreciate hearing from you on how the accessibility of information problem an be solved. You mentioned that you were involved in the determination regarding the validity " of a published botanical name. Can you explain to me how did you do it? And better still were you delving into the "acceptability " of said name and not its "validity"? I wish all Orchid Shows and judgings were so lucky as to have a person trained in taxonomy or with such a level of knowledge as yours to help with the species problems. But, alas, that is not feasible. And then there is the obvious: how do you define "rare", "desirable traits" international System" ,etc ..all those subjective factors involved in judging. Again, I will submit that before an "international"consensus is tried a national one has to be achieved. That is an easier task in a small country, but in a system where some judging centers are separated by 3000+ miles from a center of the same system that is not that easy. Thus, my answer to the main question you raised , If the direct effect of the "internationalization'" of a judging system is the lack of participation of local growers in the local system; then I say no to internationalization. First and foremost , the local judging system must be developed to encourage participation by the locals , and for establishing standards based on the local reality. Then it should be followed by the realization that one doesn
[OGD] Peter or any one interested in Judging
Should anyone of you want it, I can provide copies of the rules regarding judging and the awards, granted by the New Zealand judging system and by the South African judging system. Also , If anyone can provide me with a copy of the rules of the Australian, JOGA and/or RHS judging rules and "Handbooks" (including the judging of fragrance) ; I will appreciate it. I may not be a judge, but for reasons unknown ( probably because I am a nut-case) , I have made the study of the systems used for Judging Orchids a hobby. TIA Jose PS...I cannot offer to present /share my short presentation "An Outsider Looks at AOS Judging and Other Judging Systems" because my minor opus has just hit the 3000 slide mark and my musings on paper have reached the 154000 words count. Somehow , my brain was not wired for short and concise writing :) [Ok, those who maybe tempted to flame me, go gentle on the heat, the body is not in the optimum shape for broiling as it was in former times] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Grammatophyllums
In Puerto Rico, the "miniature" Gramatophyllums tend to be placed either on tree fern logs and /or slated baskets. I have seen Gramatophyllum speciousum grown in "baskets set on the floor and made with cinder blocks and lined with material that allows drainage, the best one I have seen is grown in a pot . A friend made an album of the plant that can be seen at http://community.webshots.com/album/58901890bpvzPO As you can see the pot is not that big. :) She also has an album that shows some of the "miniature" ones being exhibited at a local flower fair. That album can be seen at: http://community.webshots.com/album/157740806cEOSOt (Slides 12 and 15) Enjoy the sights. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Plant Police and the MIAMI WOC
If the last WOC celebrated at Miami is a model of what can be done : the organizers will ask the help of the USDA and coordinate efforts with all the exhibitors and buyers from outside the US so their importation documentation and processes go smooth. It was done then, It can be done now. Jose ( Ah the eternal optimist speaks) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Gram scriptum
Ah join the club of those of us that have to deal with the joys of fumagina". Water and soap to wich some bicarbonate that is used for upset stomach is the best way to go with it. Also increase the light levels under which the plant is grown. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE: Sandra [T Hardy] wrote :"Enc naranja patensis... blooming"
Can it be an unregistered hybrid between Epi Naranja (schumannianum x ibaguense) x Epidendrum patens [Epidendrum patens Sw., Fl. Ind. Occid. 3: 1495 (1806). not Encyclia patens Hook., Bot. Mag. 57: t. 3013 (1830)] ? Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Need Help
In traking a copy of the article or the publication. Classification of Orchidaceae in the Age of DNA data Author: Mark W. Chase Source: Curtis's Botanical Magazine, February 2005, vol. 22, no. 1, pp. 2-7(6) TIA Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ok, I will bite...
Andy states: "Big scandal with the judging of Vandaceous in Dijon. So much unhappiness that they had to convene a special team of judges like Joyce Stewart and Phil Cribb (who said the RHS wasn't dominating the judging process?) to "rectify" the situation. Lots of red faces among the original team and claims and counterclaims of blatantly corrupt judging" Nice juicy-morsel-packed hook... Could you please give us details? Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Stomata and Orchids
A modest suggestion : use a special Google search called Google Scholar . The service is in Beta stage and can be accessed via http://scholar.google com/. I did a search using Stomata and Orchids as the key words and got 115 hits. "Click the Cited by " and the " Web Search" links next to the each one of the "Main hits" and you will obtain more sources. This is the link to the search I made (Hope it works): http://scholar.google com/scholar?q=Stomata+and+Orchids&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search try cut and paste if the link doesnt work directly. Caveat: The output is basically that of citations or of abstracts of articles and, or chapters of Books. Most of the links will connect you to services where you can obtain the full document. As I have found out, once one has the citations with access to a reasonable good library one can find the complete texts. Hope I have helped . José ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Ida portillae
Eric, I checked the Kew's Monocotyledon World Checklist and there is no reference either. Since the checklist can be a year behind in listing and placing the published names , I continued my search. This is what I found: The judges of the the AOS Toronto Judging Centre granted on Nov. 13, 2004 at the Niagara Region Orchid Society Show St. Catharines a Certificated of Horticultural Merit of 80 pts to : Lycaste portillae Gualaceo Safari CHM/AOS exhibited by Our Tropics. Per AOS regulations, CHMs are granted provisionally pending the mandatory taxonomic Verification. I would guess that upon verification that "Lycaste" would have its generic name changed. The award is a recent one, you should try and contact the Chair of the Toronto Centre or the AOS Registrar of Awards to see if the Award has been validated by the taxonomic verification and for the posibility of viewing the award slide for copmparison to your plant. You could also attempt contacting the exhibitor of record : Our Tropics . This is the data I obtained for them: Name: Orchids in Our Tropics - Doug and Terry Kennedy Address: PO Box 394, Gormley ON LOH 1G0 Phone/Fax: 905-727-3319 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.orchidsinourtropics.com/ Hope I have been of help. José ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] List of Species Native for the US
Charles: One of the nice little secrets of the World Checklist of Monocotyledons Database run by Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew is is Advances Search feature : http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/monocotChecklist/advanced.do When you enter it ..Fill in in Orchidaceae in Family and then you can pick Continent , Regions or Botanical Nations If you pick regions you can select all the regions of the US and if you pick Botanical Nations you can select each one of the states. The search will generate a list of all the records ( accepted and synonyms ) of all the Orchidaceae listed for the Continent, Region or "Nation" selected.The ones in BOLD are the names accepted by Kew and the ones in plain type are the synonyms. A click in ache name of the species..will yield botanical name with publication, synonyms both homotypic or heterotypic and the distribution data using the standard names and numbers ( there is a link to find the menaings of the numbers, etc) and the type of life form. [Ah if you copy and paste the lists produced into a Word document it will keep the active links.] It is very nice to use. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] OOPs
Never read your e-mails and post without the first cup of coffee and without the eyeglasses . Joe not John Mea culpa mea maxima culpa Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] John
Thanks for the update on the scanning project and for clearing many of the issues" raised by some people with axes to grind. It is refreshing to see facts , not bias posited. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] MAsdevallias :I checked the Kew World Checklist for synonyms and distribution information
And found the following info: Masdevallia abbreviata Rchb. f. 1878 Distribution:Ecuador to N. Peru 83 ECU PER Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia cocapatae Luer, Teague & Vasquez 1997 Distribution: Bolivia 83 BOL Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia corazonica Schltr. Distribution:WC. Ecuador 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Heterotypic Synonyms:Masdevallia sphenopetala Kraenzl., Bull. Misc. Inform. Kew 1925: 98 (1925). Masdevallia corniculata Rchb. f. 1878 Distribution:Colombia to E Ecuador 83 CLM ECULifeform:Epiphyte Heterotypic Synonyms: Masdevallia inflata Rchb.f., Gard. Chron., n.s., 16: 716 (1881). Masdevallia calyptrata Kraenzl., Notizbl. Königl. Bot. Gart. Berlin 1: 83 (1895). Masdevallia dimorphotricha Luer & Hirtz, Lindleyana 10: 117 (1995). This name is a synonym. The accepted name : Masdevallia pachyura Rchb.f., Gard. Chron., n.s., 2: 322 (1874). Distribution: SW. Ecuador 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia gnoma H.R.Sweet 1978 Masdevallia gnoma H.R.Sweet, Bot. Mus. Leafl. 26: 41 (1978). This name is a synonym. The accepted name is Masdevallia bangii Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. Beih. 10: 41 (1922). Distribution:Ecuador to Bolivia 83 BOL ECULifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia hercules Luer & Andreetta 1988 [1989]This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Morona-Santiago) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia monicana Luer 1998 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador 83 ECU Lifeform: Epiphyte Masdevallia pulcherrima Luer & Andreetta 1980 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Bolívar) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia racemosa Lindl. 1845 This name is accepted. Distribution:Colombia 83 CLM Lifeform: Epiphyte Masdevallia sertula C.A.Luer & Andreetta 1991 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Cañar) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia vidua Luer & Andreetta 1988/9 This name is accepted. Distribution:Ecuador (Morona-Santiago) 83 ECU Lifeform:Epiphyte Masdevallia villegasii Kvniger 1999 This name is accepted. Distribution:Colombia 83 CLM Lifeform:Epiphyte ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchids of Iraq
First of all, my prayers for the safety and well being of your son and those who serve with him. A search in The Royal Botanical Garden Kew's World List of Monocotyledons produces the following listing for Orchids annotated for Iraq: 38 records retrieved Anacamptis collina (Banks & Sol. ex Russell) R.M.Bateman, Pridgeon & M.W Chase, Lindleyana 12: 120 (1997). Anacamptis coriophora (L.) R.M.Bateman, Pridgeon & M.W.Chase, Lindleyana 12: 120 (1997). Anacamptis coriophora subsp. coriophora. Anacamptis coriophora subsp. fragrans (Pollini) R.M.Bateman, Pridgeon & M.W Chase, Lindleyana 12: 120 (1997). Anacamptis laxiflora (Lam.) R.M.Bateman, Pridgeon & M.W.Chase, Lindleyana 12: 120 (1997). Anacamptis morio (L.) R.M.Bateman, Pridgeon & M.W.Chase, Lindleyana 12: 120 (1997). Anacamptis palustris (Jacq.) R.M.Bateman, Pridgeon & M.W.Chase, Lindleyana 12: 120 (1997). Anacamptis palustris subsp. palustris. Anacamptis pyramidalis (L.) Rich., De Orchid. Eur.: 33 (1817). Cephalanthera kurdica Bornm. ex Kraenzl., Bull. Herb. Boissier 3: 143 (1895) Comperia comperiana (Steven) Asch. & Graebn., Syn. Mitteleur. Fl. 3: 620 (1907). Dactylorhiza umbrosa (Kar. & Kir.) Nevski, Trudy Bot. Inst. Akad. Nauk S.S.S R., Ser. 1, Fl. Sist. Vyssh. Rast. 4: 332 (1937). Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz, Stirp. Austr. Fasc., ed. 2, 2(6): 467 (1769). Epipactis helleborine subsp. helleborine. Epipactis veratrifolia Boiss. & Hohen. in P.E.Boissier, Diagn. Pl. Orient. 13: 11 (1854). Himantoglossum affine (Boiss.) Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. 15: 287 (1918). Himantoglossum hircinum (L.) Spreng., Syst. Veg. 3: 694 (1826). Himantoglossum hircinum var. pseudocaprinum J.J.Wood, Kew Bull. 38: 75 (1983). Limodorum abortivum (L.) Sw., Nova Acta Regiae Soc. Sci. Upsal. 6: 80 (1799) Limodorum abortivum var. abortivum. Neotinea tridentata (Scop.) R.M.Bateman, Pridgeon & M.W.Chase, Lindleyana 12: 122 (1997). Neotinea tridentata subsp. tridentata. Ophrys apifera Huds., Fl. Angl.: 340 (1762). Ophrys holoserica subsp. bornmuelleri (M.Schulze) H.Sund., Taxon 24: 625 (1975). Ophrys mammosa Desf., Ann. Mus. Natl. Hist. Nat. 10: 222 (1807). Ophrys reinholdii Spruner ex Fleischm., Oesterr. Bot. Z. 57: 5 (1908). Ophrys reinholdii subsp. straussii (Fleischm.) E.Nelson, Gestaltw. Artb. Orchid. Eur. Mittelmeerl.: 149 (1962). Ophrys schulzei Bornm. & Fleischm., Mitth. Thüring. Bot. Vereins, n.s., 28: 60 (1911). Ophrys umbilicata Desf., Ann. Mus. Natl. Hist. Nat. 10: 227 (1807). Ophrys umbilicata subsp. attica (Boiss. & Orph.) J.J.Wood, Kew Bull. 38: 136 (1983). Ophrys umbilicata subsp. umbilicata. Orchis anatolica Boiss., Diagn. Pl. Orient. 5: 56 (1844). Orchis mascula (L.) L., Fl. Suec., ed. 2: 310 (1755). Orchis mascula subsp. pinetorum (Boiss. & Kotschy) E.G.Camus, Monogr. Orchid : 156 (1908). Orchis punctulata Steven ex Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 273 (1835). Orchis simia Lam., Fl. Franç. 3: 507 (1779). Platanthera chlorantha (Custer) Rchb. in J.C.Mössler, Handb. Gewächsk. ed. 2 2: 1565 (1829). Spiranthes sinensis (Pers.) Ames, Orchidaceae 2: 53 (1908). I have seen pictures off all. The flowers are kind of neat. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] ODG Vol 7 Issue 4 : Dendrobium miniense
Rer Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew World Checklist of Monocotyledons Dendrobium miniense Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. Beih. 1: 506 (1912). This name is a synonym. Accepted Name: Dendrobium constrictum J.J.Sm., Bull. Dép. Agric. Indes Néerl 19: 15 (1908). Family: Orchidaceae Homotypic Synonyms: Pedilonum miniense (Schltr.) Brieger, Schlechter Orchideen 1(11-12): 679 (1981). ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Your coments on Taxonomy and Cladistics
Would be most welcome. I imagine that the List Owner would surely lift the words limit for them. That issue would be , in my humble opinion, one to keep and to share. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] A small request to de friends debating Evolution Vs Creationism
Please ...if you want to refer to the Supreme Creator of the scriptures written for the People of the Covenant use G-D do not write the full name: it is sacrilegious. TIA José ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Can anyone in this group ...
Do a translation into English from a descriptiom enterely written in botanical Latin. If you can do it or know some one that can do it; please advise via my email TIA Jose A. Izquierdo ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Lets place the issue of fair use in perspective.
Let say I developed an interest in studying Epidendrum acinacifolium: a species described as endemic to my country, Puerto Rico in Sessé & Moc. Fl. Mexic. ed. 2, 201 (1894). To start investigating, I need access to the original publication or a copy of the page whre the species was described. (Note: As of today, not a single type of this species has been located.) So I ask you librarians and experts in copyright-law: Would I be violating the law if I ask for help in this group to obatin a copy of said article? Assuming some gentle soul does find it, would he or she be in violation of law should He/she send it to me? Platceme Fraters/Sorores Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Angraecum Memoria George Keennedy
I got a division of that plant about 20 years ago. The original plant was a monster that grew around basket that measured 5 feet x 5 feet ( The plant overgrew it). I grow mine in a clay pot using pebbles as substrate. The plant is a very reliable fall bloomer ( It is in bloom now) tolerates high lights and the inflorescences are long. I grow it ouside @18 degrees north of latitude. Plant and pot are so heavy that left outside during the last 4 hurricanes that have hit my town, the pot-plant combo did not budge an inch. Arg I have to repot soon. Getting the machete ready. Jose Ps If you want, I take some photos and send the to you. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 404 Widcatt
One of the best features of Wildcatt is String Search . I have found many, many a "lost hybrid" using it. Also its Sort by feature is great when researching awards. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 396 Cattelya candida
The baysonim for Cattleya candida is Cymbidium candidum Kunth in F.W.H.von Humboldt, A.J.A.Bonpland & C.S.Kunth, Nov. Gen. Sp. 1: 342 (1816). That 1816 date predates another published name related to the species in question thus it has priority over them Again here is the publication data for your perusal: Cattleya candida (Kunth) F.Lehm., Gard. Chron., III, 18: 466 (1895). Homotypic Synonyms: * Cymbidium candidum Kunth in F.W.H.von Humboldt, A.J.A.Bonpland & C.S.Kunth Nov. Gen. Sp. 1: 342 (1816). * Basionym/Replaced Synonym Heterotypic Synonyms: Cattleya quadricolor Lindl., Paxton's Fl. Gard. 1: 6 (1850). Cattleya chocoensis Linden, Ill. Hort. 17: 37 (1870). Cattleya caucaensis Ballif, Chron. Orchid. 1901: 329 (1901). Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] For Peter and Viateur
Peter: Gastrochilus matsuran (Makino) Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. Beih. 4: 289 (1919). As to other names I found "close but no cigar match ups" that may suggest a review of your labels: To wit: 1- Thrixspermum amplexiatumI found a reference for Thrixspermum amplexicaule (Blume) Rchb.f., Xenia Orchid. 2: 121 (1868). 2- Dendrochilum compactum I found this: Dendrochilum complectens J.J.Sm., Bull. Jard. Bot. Buitenzorg, III, 5: 32 (1922). 3- Dendrochilum aureum I found : Dendrochilum aurantiacum Blume, Bijdr.: 398 (1825). 4- Bulbophyllum longifolium I found: Bulbophyllum longiflorum Thouars, Hist. Orchid.: t. 98 (1822) The source for my information is the Monocot Checlist found at http://www rbgkew.org.uk/monocotChecklist/qsearch.do ( really nice place with new search capabilities) ___ Viateur : Have you checked the entries for Cattleya candida? Cattleya candida (Kunth) F.Lehm., Gard. Chron., III, 18: 466 (1895). Homotypic Synonyms: * Cymbidium candidum Kunth in F.W.H.von Humboldt, A.J.A.Bonpland & C.S.Kunth Nov. Gen. Sp. 1: 342 (1816). * Basionym/Replaced Synonym Thus this is the first description of the species that used to be known as C quadricolor. Heterotypic Synonyms: Cattleya quadricolor Lindl., Paxton's Fl. Gard. 1: 6 (1850). Cattleya chocoensis Linden, Ill. Hort. 17: 37 (1870). Cattleya caucaensis Ballif, Chron. Orchid. 1901: 329 (1901). Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Wouldn't it be nice to know how Broesntein and Eloe voted on those issues?
Quote: "Finally, the statement that >No one is going to>be making ANY decisions on their own for the AOS...It is all done with >agreement between ALL twenty five of the Exec Board and Trustees. does not reassure me. Too many management organizations become like-minded, recruiting only those who agree with them, right or wrong, and that is exactly what I fear the AOS is doing." Martin, for years Bronstein and Eloe have been members of the Board of Trustees and of the Exec Committee. So it seems that they are covered by the comment you made. To make things worst when asked in the AOSF to respond on how they voted on certain issues and their positions on others ( this done to see how different they were from the people they want to substitute), no answers and worst, their supporters go on a rampage attacking the persons that ask the questions. So absent a response from them , one must assume that their actions and positions as members of the Exec Committee was similar to the actions and positions of the members they want to substitute and that the claim by their supporters that they are "outsiders" is not true. Which begs the question on when they became reformers? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Howard "people like me " would like to know:
Howard since you brought the AOS finances and other matters in to the fray, Could you be so kind as to get Mr. Bronstein and Mrs. Eloe to answer these questions: - Since you two are members of the Board of Trustees and the Executive Committee: Did you vote for or against construction of the new HQ in Delray Beach? Did you vote for or against the budgetary lines relating to Conservation and Education? Did you vote for or against the raise in members fee and the rise in show fees? Did you vote for or against the ending the publication of Lindleyana? -Are the headquarters building and greenhouses and gardens what you expected they would be? - If elected, what would be the first three things you would change in the AOS? - It has been stated by some of the proponents of your candidacy that, Lee Cooke should be released from his contract. Do you agree with this position? Can either of you estimate how much releasing Lee Cooke from his contract would cost the AOS? -Andy Easton has alleged that Howard Bronstein interfered in personnel matters at AOS as EVP and he made a formal complaint to Lee Cooke about threats made to him by Howard Bronstein. Care to comment? -Since the inception of your candidacy, several of your supporters have argued that you, Mr. Bronstein were the victim of homophobia, and anti-Semitism on the part of the Executive Committee. Do you support those charges? Do you believe that Taylor Slaughter was nominated on the basis of a conflict of interest and is not worthy of nomination as it has been insinuated by some of your supporters? - Do you believe that Robert Griesbach is a liar and a crook as stated by Christenson, in an email sent to the www.aosmebers.org site that was widely distributed all over through the net? And, since you are sensitive about homophobia and gay bashing, do you agree with the statement by Christenson regarding an AOS employee? - Do you agree with the assessment of David Grove, published in various Forums regarding the management of the AOS by the last two AOS Presidents? - What was your position when Jim Rassmann was bumped from the Executive Committee rotation? Why your silence then? - And finally, Mr. Bronstein what is the origin of the animus toward Jim Rassmann? There are so many rumors regarding this, we would like to know your take. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Caularthron bicornutum
Hi The only citations regarding the genus Caularthron that include Schultes name were for Caularthron bilamellatum ( Rchb.f. ) R.E.Schult. as published in Bot. Mus. Leafl. Harvard Univ. xviii. 92 (1958). Hope I have been of help. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Miltonia xanthinia
A net search yielded this page http://www.orchideepassion.com/vb/index html?p1692.html. As you can see the flowers do not resemble Miltonia flavescens. The it hit me ; the description of the flower in the page. " Importi du Brisil sous ce nom. Non ripertorii. Nouveauti ou nom erroni ? De toute fagon, sa fleur est iblouissante" which if memory doesn't fail me translates as "Imported Brazil under this name. Not indexed. Innovation or erroneous name? In any event, its flower is dazzling. ". Something in the photo gives the impression the flower is that of a hybrid, a beautiful one to wit. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Pray, tell...Where has he stated his opposition?
Quote: "Duh, why do you think he was passed over ??? Because he DID question the financial practices and the direction the ship was taking. And he also thought that as president, he could make some changes." Dave for 10 years we have had silent acquiescence. Bronstein, in a position of leadership of the consummate insider ( not the outsider the "alternates" picture him as) kept quiet ... Where and to whom, has Bronstein stated his opposition to the new headquarters, the Emporium Based and emphasized headquarters, the membership dues increases, etc? I , for one, would like to know where. Now that it benefits him, ( or it benefits those who spouse his candidacy)he may claim he opposed the moves I described ( or it may be clamed by those who support him.): Machiaveli, not the reformer. Which makes me wonder, if there is a recorded vote of all the Board and Executive Committee meetings where those controversial issues were acted upon so the real positions of Howard Bronstein be known... by the way he voted. Cordially Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Good statement Dave
Quote: "You realize that Mr. Bronstein is still the active Executive Vice President of the American Orchid Society? You are also aware that he has served on the executive committee for ten years? " So it figures that Mr Bronstein was there when many of the actions the alternates" criticize were taken by the Trustees, including the move to the Tahj in the Glades" ( as one of my friends calls the new headquarters) the change in format of Orchids, the change in perspective at the AOSF, the Emporium, etc... and yet this great reformer , Mr Bronstein is, never complained, never raised his voice in opposition, never rallied the members in opposition for those ten years..as he waited and bid his time... Machiaveli insstead of the reformer he is painted to be. Cordially Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Otr Hwa Yuan Bay
All i have ( and I don't have an updated Wildcatt yet) is Otr Hwan Yuan Bay Shui Ming-Yuh', HCC/AOS of 75 points granted at the Taiwan International Orchid Show on March 22, 2002. Hope this helps Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Epidendrum pugioniforme
A seaarch in the RHS Monocot Database yields the following results: Epidendrum parkinsonianum Hook., Bot. Mag. 66: t. 3778 (1840). Synonyms: Epidendrum aloifolium Bateman, Orchid. Mexico Guatemala: t. 25 (1842), nom. illeg. Brassavola pescatorii Rchb.f., Gard. Chron., n.s., 9: 724 (1878). Epidendrum pugioniforme Regel, Trudy Imp. S.-Peterburgsk Bot. Sada 11: 305 (1890). Epidendrum falcatum var. zeledoniae Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. Beih. 19: 37 (1923). Hope I have helped Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Delightfully silly or not
Mr Bronstein Answered . Dr Griesbach Answered . I would accept the Trustees may not read the Forum established by the AOS for the open interchange of ideas : That it is their problem. But the fact stands : I did questioned them using a resource where two other involved people not only read ( or were told of my posts) but answered them. That is a FACT. Trying to deny it is silly. Trying to claim a nefarious silence on my part is silly too and absurd: I am not know to hide and I don't hide. Now what is it is delightfully IRONIC and yes silly , is that the behavior of some of those backing Bronstein has moved me to be on the same side of a question with Andy Easton, a man that took pleasure in signing in other Forums as "Jose's Nemesis" a man I have had ( to be mild) some serious disagreements .. that is not even silly , it is scary... :-) I imagine Andy laughing his head off at this situation. Platceme Fraters Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Jose Answers Martin and Howard ...a short version that I hope will not be vounced...
Martin , I am including the introduction part to the original e-mail answering you as reference "From: Jose A. Izquierdo Date: 06/23/04 15:59:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jose Answers... Martin: Before something is made about my silence: 1- In the last 30 days I have had to deal with the death of an uncle who was the closest thing I had to a father outside my own. In a time where my dad could barely afford Public university for me ( 1970-1976) he forked over the princely sum of $4000 a semester so I could get my Bachelor Degree at Loyola University of Chicago and I could start my graduate Studies at Kent Sate University. So not only had I had to deal with the grief, I found that he had designate me executor of his Estate...so I have been working overtime so my aunt gets the pensions that from now on will be her source of income and so the division of the estate is done without the bickering that usually happens among sons when an estate is split. 2- Add to that I am the primary care taker to my mother and for another uncle who has been diagnosed with Adenocarcinomas of the lungs , adrenal glands and kidneys ..in all cases with undifferentiated cells..So I am coordinating both radio and chemo therapy for him and making sure his financial needs are covered as he has no other medical coverage than Medicare. 3- Last weekend I spent 3 glorious days in ICU due to elevated high blood pressure and Prinzemetal Angina (sp).. So OGD and AOS were the last of my worries add to that I did not receive The OGD Issue in question So lets refresh the collective memory of the lists participants as to what Howard Ginsberg wrote and that I am being accused of remaining silent... At 5:29 PM -0400 6/16/04, Howard Ginsberg wrote: >Jose > > >You said, "BTW I questioned Dr Griesbach and the 6 trustee candidates Mr >Bronstein is Backing. So far I only got answers from Dr Griesbach." > > >I called two of the trustee candidates. They both have not heard of you nor >have spoken with nor received e-mail from you. > > > >When did you do this, Jose? Just the facts." See Martin ( and Howard) had I been paying attention to the OGD and had I received the issue in question I would have had answered the following Howard where in my post Did I mentioned that the trustees know me personally? Nowhere Did I mentioned I called them? NO Did I mentioned I Emailed them ? NO And yes I contacted using a medium available to me as an AOS Member : THE AOS FORUM . Similar questioning of Dr Griesbach and Mr Bronstein AFTER I posted my questions to the Trustees were answered by both Mr Bronstein and Dr Griesbach. FACT: This is the URL of my post questioning Bronstein in the AOS Forum... http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=984 Martin in my original message I sent you a transcript of it as it appeared in the AOS Forum. I AM WILLING TO TRANSMIT the same to an one that I sent you. Mr Bronstein not only answered in the AOS Forum, He answered in OGD using the same identical message. FACT: this is the URL of my Post questioning Dr Griesbach http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=984 Martin in my original message I sent you a transcript of it as it appeared in the AOS Forum. I AM WILLING TO TRANSMIT the same to an one that I sent you. Mr Bronstein not only answered in the AOS Forum, FACT: this is the URL of my Post questioning Ms Cohen and the remaining 5 trustees. http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=821 Please notice the thread number 821 which indicates a previous thread to the one with the questions for Dr Griesbach and Mr Bronstein As a matter of FACT here is a copy I have some questions for: Ms Rita Cohen ... 7 Forum Main Page 7 Further Reading 7 Reply to this Message 7 Posted by Jose A. Izquierdo Rivera on 06/09/04 - 19:26:20 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1 4322) Message Body .., Ms Aileen Garrison, Mr. William Guthrie, Ms Karen Muir, Mr. Ben Singer and, Ms Sandra Svoboda. I have noticed with interest that in the documents posted in the Bedford Orchids website, where Mr. Ginsberg supports the candidacy of Howard Bronstein for AOS president, while criticizing the actions of the Nominating Committee, there is a proposed: DOCUMENT 2 - PROXY FORM We the undersigned hereby give our proxy to the bearer of this document to vote for Howard Bronstein for President of the American Orchid Society and to vote against the entire slate of officers but not the Trustees proposed by the Nominating Committee at the Annual Meeting in October 2004 A cursory reading of this seems to lead to the conclusion that Mr. Ginsberg is supporting your election as Trustees of the AOS during the next Members Meeting. Since the Nominating Committee t
[OGD] Jose Answers...
Martin: Before something is made about my silence: 1- In the last 30 days I have had to deal with the death of an uncle who was the closest thing I had to a father outside my own. In a time where my dad could barely afford Public university for me ( 1970-1976) he forked over the princely sum of $4000 a semester so I could get my Bachelor Degree at Loyola University of Chicago and I could start my graduate Studies at Kent Sate University. So not only had I had to deal with the grief, I found that he had designate me executor of his Estate...so I have been working overtime so my aunt gets the pensions that from now on will be her source of income and so the division of the estate is done without the bickering that usually happens among sons when an estate is split. 2- Add to that I am the primary care taker to my mother and for another uncle who has been diagnosed with Adenocarcinomas of the lungs , adrenal glands and kidneys ..in all cases with undifferentiated cells..So I am coordinating both radio and chemo therapy for him and making sure his financial needs are covered as he has no other medical coverage than Medicare. 3- Last weekend I spent 3 glorious days in ICU due to elevated high blood pressure and Prinzemetal Angina (sp).. So OGD and AOS were the last of my worries add to that I did not receive The OGD Issue in question So as to the note by Howard Ginsberg which I quote directly from your post.. "At 5:29 PM -0400 6/16/04, Howard Ginsberg wrote: >Jose > > >You said, "BTW I questioned Dr Griesbach and the 6 trustee candidates Mr >Bronstein is Backing. So far I only got answers from Dr Griesbach." > > >I called two of the trustee candidates. They both have not heard of you nor >have spoken with nor received e-mail from you. > > > >When did you do this, Jose? Just the facts." This is the level of pettiness that shows the lack of seriousness on Ginsberg's and your part Did I mentioned they know me? NO Did I mentioned I called them? NO Did I mentioned I Emailed them ? NO As a member of the AOS I used the AOS Forum as the medium to contact and question them...the six trustees, and Dr Griesbach. Dr Griesbach , who reads the Forum posted his answer there . It seems the others don't read it and if they did they kept quiet. And it also it seems that Ginsberg doesn't either...unless it is a post by himself. http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=984 is the URl fro my questioning of Mr Bronstein . Which I copy Verbatim Let's see if Mr Bronstein answers some of my questions... 7 Forum Main Page 7 Further Reading 7 Reply to this Message 7 Posted by Jose A. Izquierdo Rivera on 06/11/04 - 03:20:31 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1 4322) Message Body 1- Have you authorized Mr Ginsberg to include your name in the alternate slate he is proposing in opposition to the one proposed by the nominating committee? 2- Do you agree with the accusations being bandied about that in your case, the nominating committee acted due to anti-semitism and homophobia? WHAT EVIDENCE ( NOT RUMORS) can you present that members of the committee are anti-semites and homophobes? 3- The changing of certain by-laws regarding direct nominations are aslo being attacked ? Yet for those changes to have been carried , the AOS Board of Trustees and the Executive Committee BOTH of which you are currently a member had had to pass judgement on them ? As a matter of fact , the final cosntitution of the Nomminating Committe had to be approved by the Board? Arew we to believe that you , a member of the Executive Committte had no involvement wahtsoever in these processes? 4- Why are you supporting with your silence the attacks on Mr Rasmmann and Mrs Slaughter? Or do you actually support the statement that their selection ( in the case of Mr Rassmman, his continued selection) as Directors was plagued with conflict of interests? Do you have evidence of conflict of interests by the members of the Committee? Do you believe ( as it has beeing insinuated by those who support you) that Taylor Slaughter was only selected on account of her husband alone and not on account of her service as a volunteer to the AOS? 5- Some of the people supporting your candidacy in opposition to that of Mr Moore and the proposed "official slate" are threatening with holding support to the AOS if you are not elected. Do you support their stance? Mr Bronstein your silence is deafening. With your silence you seem to be giving support to many positions and opinions that can easily be disproven or that by their nature are inflamatory, close to being diffamatory and dammaging to the future of the AOS ? You have served the members of this Society in a number of position ...You aspire to serve the members of this Society as its President... Those Members ( me included) want
[OGD] Dave .... Let see....
Every single statement I used under the heading "You State" that was placed in quotation marks was taken verbatim from your letter to OGD. Your statement regarding MR Moore capabilities to be a fine President is a de facto acceptance on your part of the soundless of the decision to nominate him as President. Again I must notice that you in your last letter reiterate the opinion that Mr Moore is qualified... ON the qualification Issue , you have conceeded the point. So now you state: "Did you miss the financial statement posted on this listserve a few weeks ago? You must have also forgotten the recurring controversies that have appeared on these public discussion areas regarding everything from orchid plant sales at the AOS to abusive treatment from AOS staff. How quickly you forget. " I agree with you IT IS FAIR to ask Mr Rassmann and Mr Moore and every single member of the Board of Trustees and the Executive Committee for the their stance, their actions and their positions on those issues.. and on other Issues... But in the list of those who have to answer ...lets not forget Mr Bronstein as HE has been a Member of that SAME Board and Executive Committee during the same time period ..So he also has to answer for his actions positions during those times. Bronstein was not the outsider people want to picturehe is as accountable as the others... Let me remind you , I have been one of the prime targets for abusive behaviour by a now former staff member. ( How quickly some people forget that) ..so I dont need anyone preaching to me about that issue. As to whom have been bypased ..Please read my previous posts. I wont revist that again. And then you state: "Unless that fly on the wall comes forward with a secret tape of the committee's final deliberations all you have is hearsay and rumors.".. Again I dont deal with hearsay and rummors. Saddly those backing Bronstein Did...spreading some attacks that even Mr Bronstein , to his credidt doesnt subscribe to. So instead of having an open election between two slate where facts, their positions on issues they consider important about the AOS Future, their view on the AOS Mission, Education, Conservation, Judging and many more is being discused rationally and with respect. we, the AOS members have been forced to deal with rumors, innuendo, hersay about honorable people ( Do I need to quote to you from Mr Bronstein's letter about the honorability of the members of the nominating committee.) So what could have been a positive situation for the AOS was ruined ..in Mr Ginsbergs and others attempt at victimization of Mr Bronstein... and villification of Mr Rassmann. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Dave Strayhorn : In my haste to answer your post I forgot to mention that:
The Nominating Committee was made up by: Roger Brown, Merritt Huntington, Mary McQuerry, Frank Slaughter, Harry Gallis, Max Thompson, Jim Rassmann, and Regina Wilson... So would YOU be so kind as to tell me based on what FACTS are you denouncing them of the "ugliness" and "politics" re the case of Mr Bronstein. Can you be so kind as to identify who among those in the Committee are the Anti-Semites and/or the homophobes? BTW, less you forget...the naming of Mr Rassmann to the committee is mandated by the AOS by-laws and Dr Griesbach nominations MUST be confirmed by the Executive Committee and the Board of Trustees on which Mr Bronstein seats. If I were Mr Bronstein I will be a tad peeved with those backing the cause. In your attempt to make him look as a victim you paint a picture of a person so out of touch (and so weak) with the real world of the Board and the Executive Committee , he was the SECOND in rank that he was disposed of rather easily. No wonder Bronstein is silent. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re your message in response to me...
You state: "It is a noteworthy task you have taken on seeking answers from the AOS leadership regarding the proposed slate of officers for the upcoming term. But you are asking the wrong questions. " Am I? Mr Ginsberg launched a campaign to elect Mr Bronstein as President of the AOS that raised several issues and that included attacks on the AOS itself and several members of the AOS . So I, as an AOS member want to know ( as it is my right) if the candidate, Mr Bronstein approves of the methods used to promote his candidacy and if he approves of the attack? So my questions have to be addressed to him. BTW I questioned Dr Griesbach and the 6 trustee candidates Mr Bronstein is Backing. So far I only got answers from Dr Griesbach. You state: "We should not be asking whether the nominating committee made sound and ethical choices. " Having no evidence to the contrary, that question is not necessary. Do you have evidence they acted unethically? If so present it. You state : " Indeed, Art Moore will probably be a fine president. " So you have answered the question about the soundness of the nominating committee actions. You state: "The question that NEEDS to be asked is why Howard Bronstein and Sue Elloe were summarily dismissed from the executive committee. In particular, why, after so many years of dedicated service to the AOS, was Howard Bronstein not elevated to the post of president that is customarily filled by the executive vice president? Was it because he was not filling his duties in his appointed post? I doubt it. Was it because he wasn't a team player? I doubt that too, how would he have achieved the post of exec VP? Was it because Mr. Moore has done more for the AOS than Mr. Bronstein? I doubt that too. You may or may not be aware that not only did Mr. Bronstein develop a profit-making awards CD for the AOS, but he also developed he also the interface by which all judging center awards are recorded by the AOS. He has spent many years working with the information committee to bring the AOS into the 21st century. Something that the organization sorely needs. I quote from Dr, Griesbach's reply to your post at the AOS forum questioning the behavior of the nominating committee, "I applaud them for not getting involved in the politics." So if Mr. Bronstein was not "passed over" because of a lack of fulfilling current duties as exec VP, or inability to fulfill future duties as president, why was he passed over after so many years of dedicated service? " Howard Bronstein is not the first member of an AOS Executive Committee, demoted" or removed. I would suggest you read my comments on that in previous postings You state: "If you ask yourself this question, the ONLY answer IS indeed, politics and ugliness. If you think that the nominating committee was selected because of "qualifications", you are sadly mistaken. They were selected with political motives by a very few people, likely based on input from one person. " Proof, your statement requires proof, present it. without proof it is basically an opinion. But lets for argument sake accept it as fact. If there was politics and ugliness involved then I am more justified in seeking answers to my questions. You state : " It is equally sad that you have tried to "bait" Mr. Bronstein into publicly stating his opinions on these events. Until October, he is still an officer of The American Orchid Society and is required to fulfill his duties as exec VP, which do NOT include commenting to diatribes from idle gossips such as yourself." I am baiting no one. I am asking questions that deserve answers. My questions to Mr Bronstein are based on the accusations that Ginsberg and others have raised while supporting Bronstein, their gossips , their innuendo USING Bronstein's name to do it.. So please don't blame me for the questions..blame those supporting Bronstein for raising them You state: " If Mr. Ginsburg wants to mount a campaign to elect Mickey Mouse as president of the AOS then so be it, The cards will fall where they may." So Be it. And that includes Mr Bronstein having to answer for those supporting him. Does he agree with them and their tactics ? With their statements? Has he approved the Ginsberg's campaign? Again, Mr Bronstein is currently a member of the AOS Leadership. He aspires to Preside it. He cannot hide..leadership is done in the open..not hiding behind those who are attacking the messenger in an attempt to silence the message... So I am still waiting for Mr Bronstein's answers. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] An open Letter to Howard Bronstein
1- Have you authorized Mr Ginsberg to include your name in the alternate slate he is proposing in opposition to the one proposed by the AOS nominating committee? 2- Do you agree with the accusations being bandied about that in your case, the nominating committee acted due to anti-semitism and homophobia? WHAT EVIDENCE ( NOT RUMORS) can you present that members of the committee are anti-semites and homophobes? 3- The changing of certain by-laws regarding direct nominations is aslo being attacked. Yet, for the changes to have been carried , the AOS Board of Trustees and the Executive Committee BOTH of which you are currently a member had had to pass judgement on them: as a matter of fact , the final cosntitution of the Nomminating Committe had to be approved by the Board. Are we to believe that you , a member of the Executive Committte and of the Board had no involvement whatsoever in these processes? 4- Why are you supporting with your silence the attacks on Mr Rasmmann and Mrs Slaughter? Or do you actually support the statement that their selection ( in the case of Mr Rassmman, his continued selection) as Directors was plagued with conflicts of interest? Do you have evidence of conflicts of interest by the members of the Nominating Committee ( ACTUAL PROFF , NOT INUENDO) ? Do you believe ( as it has beeing insinuated by those who support you) that Taylor Slaughter was only selected on account of her husband al and not on account of her independent service as a volunteer to the AOS? 5- Some of the people supporting your candidacy in opposition to that of Mr Moore and the proposed "official slate" are threatening withholding support to the AOS if you are not elected. Do you support their stance? Mr Bronstein your silence is deafening. With your silence you seem to be giving support to many positions and opinions that can easily be disproven or that by their nature are inflamatory, close to being diffamatory and dammaging to the future of the AOS . You have served the members of the Society in a number of position ...You aspire to serve the members of this Society as its President... Leadership Mr Bronstein is demonstrated not by hiding behind proxies but by speaking out for oneself. Those Members ( me included) want to hear from you. Jose A. Izquierdo ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Dr Grove's response.... Ginsberg's repsonse
Dave So the fact that you haven't heard of me [claim that by the way it is not true] makes me a non entity in your eyes is sophistry, plain and simple. I have been involved in things Orchidaceous for more than 30 years and my knowledge of what going on at the AOS is more detailed that what many people would like. Your latest response highlights what is wrong with the campaign against the proposed official slate: It is based on rumor, innuendo and worst lack of rationality. Let me point the following: You State... "The mess was caused not so much by the failure to elevate Howard Bronstein, taken by itself; rather it is the combination of that action with the nomination of Rassmann, himself a member of the Nominating Committee, for the position of Executive V.P. and presumably next in line for the presidency, and most especially given the rumors, be they true or false, that he was the most adamant opponent of nominating Bronstein and that he has fostered a hope that he will be able to use his political connections to obtain a substantial grant for the AOS from a foundation. These rumors may be false, but they are held and are being advanced by some highly respected and prominent members of the AOS. The situation should have been anticipated by the Nominating Committee, and it should have scrupulously avoided any nominations that could give rise to credible charges of conflict of interest." Again, David, where were you when other members of previous nominating committees had members nominated to positions within the AOS? Why is it that the big brouhaha comes when Jim Rassmann is nominated? could it be that the opposition is based on personal vendetta against Rassmann? I find it blatantly inconsistent that some of Rassmann's opponents agreed with previous nomination's of members of the committee and now claim conflict of interest. I also find it interesting that those that oppose Rassmann do not mention THAT IF IT WASNT FOR THE FACT THAT RASSMANN WAS REPLACED ONCE FROM THE REGULAR ROTATION BY A PREVIOUS NOMMINATING COMMITTEE (caps for emphasis not shouting), this year he would have been the natural candidate for the Exec VP position . So actually his nomination to the position is returning to the regular order that tradition imposes. The bad blood that exists between Rassmann and Bronstein is not a rumor and it is know to the Trustees , who in their majority are also AOS judges. Ah the rumor of the big donation . Isn't fund raising capacities and possibilities a plus in a member of a Board of trustees? Again ( and this is my opinion) it seems that what is being opposed is Rassmann's political views as the head of the Foundation mentioned is the wife of John Kerry. If I am being accused of being bombastic , you are most certainly ambivalent .basing your statements on rumors that may be true, and possibilities and plausibility. Fact: Bronstein is not the first member of the Executive Committee that have been removed from the succession cycle : Gren Seibels , Terry Williams, Arnie Linsman , Gary Kraus, Anita Aldrich, Leon Loeb Jr ,Dr Grove, Don Herman among others have been So what is the hassle now? Howard... Your attack on the messenger is easily dealt with: 1- It is not I who has to prove anything, those accusing the committee of malfeasance carny the burden of proof. This is not the inquisition , where the accused is assumed guilty. You are a lawyer , you should know better. 2- I am not attacking anyone...I am asking both sides to present their side based on facts , not personal attacks , etc. 3- I am still waiting for the names of the members of your proposed slate. One cannot compare ( and an election is a comparison) a presented slate against an empty list. Again if there is to be a contested election, let it be. If there is a battle for the heart , souls and the vision of what the AOS should be , let it be. But please, let it be on facts. I find it interesting that I, a non entity as David claims I am, is being attacked for pointing the obvious ..that those who are opposing the slate have not presented their case in a manner that could be considered worthy of attention and respect. At least in my case rumors, innuendo, personal attacks and non alternatives ( read a blank slate) doesn't cut it. Howard, don't ou find it troubling that I , a person villified to no end by Easton , agree with him in this case? That weak is your case. That bad you are presenting your facts. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] RE: Doctor Grove Answers in Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 222
1- You state: " I suggest that Jose review the history of the past 20 years and see how many exceptions he can cite..." You are correct to say that at least in the last 20 years no EVP has peen passed over. There have been instances where members of the Executive Committee have been replaced and removed from the "line of succession" . in at least one case, the person involved was elected latter and was raised to the AOS Presidency. [Note: I have reviewed more than 30 years of AOS history.] In my opinion, the fact that the long-held "tradition" was not followed may point to powerful reasons by the Nominating Committee to do so, which may include the perception that the person rejected was not able to work with the Board. But here I am speculating, the only ones that can answer are the members of said committee and they are between the proverbial rock and a hard place as ethics may prevent them from revealing their private discussions. 2- You state "The post of executive ice president provides a period of training and opportunity to view the performance of the individual and to prepare the candidate. In that same vein, the post of executive vice-president normally has been filled by someone who immediately previously was serving as one of the two vice presidents or as treasurer. To conclude that someone who has served in several senior positions including two years as executive vice president suddenly is not deemed to be the logical candidate for the next presidency is bizarre not impossible but very unlikely. Yes , the position allows the person to be evaluated and his/her virtues as well as shortcomings be revealed . Hard as it may sound..there is a saying that states that the higher you go on a stepladder , the more obvious your shortcomings will be Maybe it took all those periods of service to demonstrate that the person in question had reach the top level of competence and that promoting him for the sake of tradition. Again we are speculating. Only the committee members know why. 3- You state: "A nominating committee certainly has every right to reach such a conclusion .." This I don't understand : They have the power and the right and yet you pilloried them for doing what is their right. 4- You state: "In no previous instances of the Nominating Committee's proposing one of their own were the obvious consequences so predictably highly controversial and divisive, nor was the likely adverse effect on tenuous AOS finances so clear." So lets see if I got this one right: as long a group favorite is not touched ...the process of nominating a member of the Committee was not bad. Please be more specific on the "adverse damages" claim. So who decides on the "highly controversial' tag? I for one can say , I have received an equal number of pro and anti Bronstein e-mails with many of the cons being very vehement against the man. So I am left with the conclusion that controversy was going to follow this nomination regardless. But this is my opinion and not fact. 5- You state : " There is indeed nothing in the by-laws that requires or suggests that the Executive Vice President will become the next president.. " So why all the brouhaha? Here is where I am finding a disturbing pattern... The person selected over Mr Bronstein is Art Moore not Taylor Slaughter , nor Jim Rassmann... So what is so controversial about Art Moore? Is he not qualified other than he is not Mr Bronstein? Where are the conflicts of interest in his selection? Most of the arguments against Mr Moore selection that I have heard and that I have received are against Mr Rassmann and they include attacks on his personality and his politics ( specific that he is supporting John Kerry). So I am getting the impression that the proxy fight exists inasmuch as it is a proxy fight ( Mr Moore being the screen) against Mr Rassmann. So again I ask what are the facts that can be raised against the individual members of the proposed slate . Facts , not innuendo Finally you state: " I stated explicitly that the nominating committee may or may not have been well-advised in passing over the incumbent executive vide president. " Dave were they well advised or not? On this issue you cannot have it both ways. "No one questions their prerogative to do so, and they certainly are not supposed to be a rubber stamp" As to the questioning of their prerogative you among others are just doing that. Again you cannot have it both ways. "What I am saying is that the substitutions they made have given rise to all sorts of harmful rumors of self-serving and conflicts of interest that are doing great harm to the AOS, and that a nominating committee should be reconvened to pick a slate that is not vulnerable to such allegations." Please read what you wrote... Who is guilty of the harm
[OGD] The AOS Noominating Committee
Some questions for Dr Grove: 1- Why wasn't the procedure used by the Nominating Committee questioned until now? There have been previous instances of the Committee proposing one of their own and no one complained. Also can you point to verifiable instances of malfeascen on the part of the committee members Facts not inuendo , please 2- Where in the by-laws is the dictum that an Executive Vice-President automatically follow the President or is it tradition? Do you actually belikeve the "tradition" is good? If so why? Facts not innuendo, please 3- You are asking that the slate proposed by the Nominating Committee be rejected in favor of a new one. Who are the members of the opposing slate? Can you please tell us who they are so we can compare them to the following people that were nominated : Art Moore, President; Jim Rassmann, Executive Vice-President; Carlos Fighetti, Vice-President; Taylor Slaughter, Vice-President; Marion Allen, Secretary; William Rhodehamel, Treasurer; Trustees for three year terms: Rita Cohen, Aileen Garrison, William Guthrie, Karen Muir, Ben Singer, Sandra Svoboda. And since you are opposing these people: Can you point to specifics that would convince a member not to vote for any one of the proposed "official " slate? Facts not innuendo please. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Oncidium varicosum
A review of the RHS Monocot Database shows this publication data: Oncidium insigne (Rolfe) Christenson, Orchids 71: 925 (2002). Synonyms: Oncidium varicosum V insigne Rolfe, Orchid Rev. 6: 27 (1898). Oncidium varicosum V moortebeekiense L.Linden, Lindenia 16: t. 767 (1906). So it seems that at least for RHS Oncidium insigne is a valid taxon. Oncidium varicosum Lindl., Edwardss Bot. Reg. 23: t. 1920 (1837). Synonyms: Oncidium rodgersii Bateman, Gard. Chron. 1868: 1317 (1868). Oncidium euxanthinum Rchb.f., Gard. Chron. 1869: 1158 (1869). Oncidium geraense Barb.Rodr., Gen. Spec. Orchid. 2: 193 (1881). And it seems that for RHS Oncidium rodgersii and Oncidium euxanthinum are but synonyms of Oncidium varicosum Hope I have helped. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Epidendrum porpax
Trying to find more information about Epidendrum Porpax I found this in the Monococt Database managed by the RHS Epidendrum neoporpax Ames, Bot. Mus. Leafl. 2: 112 (1934). Cuba to Hispaniola. 81 CUB DOM. *Epidendrum porpax Rchb.f., Flora 48: 278 (1865), nom. illeg. Epidendrum vestitum Ames, Schedul. Orchid. 6: 48 (1923), nom. illeg. Auliza vestita Acuqa, Bol. Estagisn. Exp. Agron. Santiago de las Vegas 60: 86 (1939). Nanodes porpax (Rchb.f.) Brieger, Proc. World Orchid Conf. 3: 334 (1960). Neolehmannia porpax (Rchb.f.) Garay & Dunst., Venez. Orchids Ill. 6: 37 (1976). Epidendrum porpax var. domingensis Cogn. in I.Urban, Symb. Antill. 7: 181 (1912). It seems that the porpax name is illegitimate. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Cattleya Meadii
Cattleya Meadii 'Steve's Pinkie' was granted an HCC by the American Orchid Society at the September 8 2001 meeting of the Atlanta Judging Center. Since all awarded plants must be photographed and award slides produced a safe bet for a picture is the AOS itself . For help you can contact Mr Le Cooke , the AOS executive Director at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Mrs Pam Guist , AOS Awards Registrar at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When contacting them please refer to the plant whose picture you want as Cattleya Meadii 'Steve's Pinkie', HCC/AOS and include the judging center and judging meeting date. Historical factoid: Cattleya Meadii was registered ( or published) in 1904 so this year it is 100th annyversary. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Can someone help me id the Orchid in this Photo?
It was taken ar Saba in the Leeward Isalnds. http://forum.theorchidsource.com/attachments/mail-0001.jpg Thanks in advance Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] On the issue of Photographs of "illegal to own" plants..
It seems to me that the issue cold be argued that in order to photograph an illegal to own" plant you either must have possession of one or know on who has possession of one or photograph them in situ or from a legal source. Absent the last two, the other possibilities involve illegal possession ( a crime perse) or conspiring with one that has illegal possession (which can be a crime too). Thus the photos perse are not illegal but he circumstances that allow for the photograph be illegal. Weird, indeed...plausible..given the conditions in this country..Who knows? Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Schluckebieria
Not so fast Guido: You many not get the blame for the name change . but, at least, you owe us an explanation on how the name is pronounced. Jose. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
