Re: [OGD] speciation
Peter O'Byrne, perhaps wrongly, appeared to disagree with a study (possibly by Koopowitz but definitely by Victoria Sosa and Teodoro Platas) by saying that while new species are discovered in an area he's familiar with *old* species are depopulated. I wonder if he read the cite. Its an interesting notion and if anyone has the article in full I'd be interested in reading it. Victoria Sosa and Teodoro Platas 1998. "Extinction and Persistence of Rare Orchids in Veracruz, Mexico," in: Conservation Biology 12(2): 451-455. http://www.jstor.org/pss/2387515 The first sentence. My first question was if the area isn't well studied how does anyone know what was there in the first place in order to know what's gone missing? K Barrett N Calif, USA > > In OGD V10 #287, K Barrett (perhaps wrongly) cited a study (possibly by > Koopowitz) that says "the more a place is studied the more species > disappear". > > Kathy, I cannot agree with this comment. In Peninsular Malaysia the > most-studied locality is a tourist-hotspot called the Cameron Highlands. > Every year new records (and occasionally new species) are reported from the > same old area; in some cases these discoveries are made on trees right in > the middle of town. In April this year we found an undescribed Acriopsis > species growing on the tall trees along the fence between the Forestry Dept > compound and the town campsite; only 2 years ago we found Microtatorchis > javanica (a new record for the area) on ornamental trees in a park less than > 50 metres away from the same spot. > > I've been visiting the Cameron Highlands intermittently for 15 years, during > which time I've noted a dramatic decline in the numbers of orchids along the > hiking-trails. This is almost certainly due to tourists (both local and > foreign) ripping plants off the trees next to the paths. You know the sort > of thing ... "I'll take that home with me ... no-one will miss it", or the > other "conservationist" favorite: "look, an orchid growing by the path, that > is in danger of getting stolen by someone, so I'll conserve it by taking it > home with me." Luckily, these people seldom seem to venture far off the > paths. > > Cheers, > > Peter O'Byrne _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] macchu Picchu speciation
> etcetera. One interesting news clipping that I picked up in Lima last month > was the following. A detailed study was done on the orchid flora in seven of > the relatively level hectares surrounding the M Picchu site, which is of > course one of the most visited and most studied places in the entire Andes. > Unhappily I have lost the clipping itself, but the burden of it was the > following: that the investigators identified around 270 species, of which no > less than seven were new. That is, more than one in forty were new to science, > in a place with nearly one million visitors per annum. Twenty miles away, the > same river that flows past the Picchus breaks a mountain range to enter the > lowland jungle, at the Pongo de Manique. This is supposed to be one of the > most biodiverse regions on earth. Quilabamba, at one end of the Manique ca?on, > gets about 20 foreign visitors every year. Who knows what may lurk there? > __ > > Oliver Sparrow And opposed to that is a study (by Koopowitz??) that says the more a place is studied the more species disappear. I haven't found the exact article yet, only a reference to it in "Victoria Sosa and Teodoro Platas 1998. "Extinction and Persistence of Rare Orchids in Veracruz, Mexico," in: Conservation Biology 12(2): 451-455." - at http://www.jstor.org/pss/2387515 Sorry, it only gives the first page. Perhaps your secluded valley hides 'The stuff that dreams are made of." K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] corybas
A bakery around the corner had a refrigerated glass case for its pastry items, standing about 6 ft tall, all glass and the shelves rotated such that all items could be drooled over. I've fantasized about growing cooler orchids in something like that. If one could get one cheap from craigs list, eBay or from a bakery going out of business.... K Barrett N Calif, USA > You might be successful with Corybas if you can keep them cool in the summer, > especially at night, in some controlled environment. A terrarium at room > temperature does not seem to be sufficiently cool (or lacks the necessary > day/night difference). I tried. > > Hope this helps. > > Nick _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Midwestern storms
To Tennis and others, I'm happy you're safe. I understand the Chicago area is pretty flooded, too. A much larger storm than I'd a thunk. Interesting that your back up generator froze when you went to start it. I was just about to buy one for earthquake preparedness I guess I'll include occasional tests to be sure the dang thing operates. (sigh, so many chores, so little time) K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Australian terrestrial lip detail
Peter Maxwell has pictures on his Flickr page detailing the lips of several Australian terrestrial orchids. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ What's the purpose of the raised 'hooks' on the lips? At first I thought they encouraged at pollinator to come in to the center, but then I realized they were pointing in the 'wrong' direction, keeping insects out. Are they sticky, to trap insects at the column? Or have nectar on them as an attractant? Any discussion would be interesting. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Texans
Thanks Carlos. I hadn't realized effects of Ike's rain etc had been felt as far north as Cincinatti Ohio. Anita Aldrich lives in Galveston so I hope she's OK too. Every now and then Jay Pfahl will post about storm damage (he's in the Florida Keys). Its easy for me, sitting snug in California, to be oblivious to annual cyclonic storms. It'd be a different thing if we had annual earthquake season, LOL! [crossing fingers, hope I haven't jinxed us.] K Barrett N Calif, USA > From: Carlos Antonio Akselrud de Gouveia > > I met Nina today (18). She?s in Rio de Janeiro, working in a Gas & Oil > Fair and judging in our Orchid Show. She said everething is OK at her place. _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] How are our Texans?
I hope Anita Aldritch, Nina Rach and our other Texas friends are surviving the aftermath of Hurricane Ike. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Blc Mem. Bess Thompson
If Malcolm Thompson (or wallwiz?) is on this list and if this is your photo of Blc Mem. Bess Thompson http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1256645775062932444RkacVT can you tell me if the pictured flower was made with Goldenzelle 'Orange Pumpkin'? AFAIK this cross was made twice, once with 'Lemon Chiffon' and once with 'Orange Pumpkin'. Mine's blooming for the 1st time and I hope its as nice (mine's w/ 'Orange Pumpkin') TIA K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] orchid pollen
Harry at Andy's orchids wants me to correct the impression my posts have given about Andys Orchids, and I agreed. Harry ALWAYS said they'd SEND me some pollen.He NEVER said they'd sell me some. I, ME, YO, MOI, assumed they meant sell, becasue in the real world no one does something for nothing. I WAS WRONG. They do nice things even for people they don't know. So don't anyone think poorly of Andy's Orchids. Think poorly of me. K Barrett N Calif, USA > I don't expect a business to do something for free for someone who they don't > know from Adam. Again, I'm not opposed to random acts of kindness, but I > don't expect it. I expect to pay my way.> > K Barrett> N Calif, USA> > K > Barrett said "Andy's Orchids says they'll sell me pollen if ever their> > aurisasinorum blooms again".> > SELL you some pollen ??? Are they always > so generous ?> > Peter O'Byrne _ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 10, Issue 253
I don't expect a business to do something for free for someone who they don't know from Adam. Again, I'm not opposed to random acts of kindness, but I don't expect it. I expect to pay my way. K Barrett N Calif, USA > K Barrett said "Andy's Orchids says they'll sell me pollen if ever their> > aurisasinorum blooms again".> > SELL you some pollen ??? Are they always > so generous ?> > Peter O'Byrne _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Onc aurisasinorum
I'm looking to buy a piece of Onc aurisasinorum, now Trichocentrum. I want to try to remake Onc Beatrice Emery, named for a long time San Francisco Bay Area hobbyist's wife. The hybrid originated back in Florida back in the mid 1970s (IIRC). I was able to find a piece of Onc stramineum at the SBOE and Andy's Orchids says they'll sell me pollen if ever their aurisasinorum blooms again, but I figured maybe someone out there has a piece of Onc aurisasinorum for sale so I won't have to depend on the kindness of strangers in order to accomplish my goal, *G*. Not that I'm opposed to random acts of kindness like sharing pollen, LOL! Just that I'm a pragmatist. If I own both parents then I'm master of my own fate. USA orchids only. I don't have the ability to get permits and visas for these plants to come in from out of country. Respond off list, please. Thanks for your time, K Barrett NCalif, USA _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] "Don't call it Taiwan virus'
Barbara Andrewski provided the link to this article about Phal viruses. In it the author mentions that the Capsicum chlorosis virus (CaCV) is spread by the Asian thrip Thrips palmi which is kept out of Europe by phyto-sanitary inspections. That the virus is limited threat because it is localized rather than systemic, affecting only the area of the insect's bite. Any plant pathologists out there? Why wouldn't the common thrip pass along CaCV? Can a virus be limited and not systemic? And finally, wow! 33% of the crop had OSRV and/or CymMV present. Let's be careful out there. K Barrett N Calif, USA> > A while back someone mentioned diseased orchids that came from Taiwan. > Here is an article that showed up recently in one of the Grower trade > magazines. Here it is:> > http://floracultureinternational.com/> > Barbara _ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] name changes
Dennis Westler beat me to the punch on what I consider the appropriate response to these taxonomic debates. Its important to know that there's a split between those taxonomists who follow morphology and those who follow DNA. Debates similar to Dennis's example of the presence/absence of a Bromelliad's bract are being played out in every field of study. Getting genetic material may be an easy answer for species identification, but is it the right one? There was an article in the old Bulletin where an author longed for the day when the genetic differences between Epi oerstedii and Epi ciliare could be elucidated. Always be careful what you wish for, LOL! (At least I think it was ciliare...I could be misremembering) The study of speciific genomes is advancing much, much faster than the rest of us realize. For example the proceedings of the 3rd IOCC published in Lankesteriana published an article regarding the use of a plant's genetic barcode to identify an orchid as endangered. (See Molecular Genetic Diagnosis of the 'Taxonomically Difficult' Australian Endangered Orchid Microtis anguii : An Evaluation of the Utility of DNA Barcoding'; pg 196.) The authors stress the morphology and ecology of a plant needs to be assessed in addition to its DNA barcodes. In this case Microtis is believed to be a poorly understood clonal, clumping species. Wiping out one clone or group could inadvertantly wipe out an unidentified (or evolving?) species (parenthenses mine). I believe Koopowitz et al in their search for Phrag kovachii have speculated that many Paphs/Phrags are believed to be clonal in nature, too. So you never know. The law of Unintended Consequences rears its head. Now. Isn't that much more food for thought than just saying some jack*ss taxonomist had to publish or perish? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] name changes
My frustration with name changes is that I help discuss the 'Show and Tell' plants that society members bring in each month. They know these name changes occur and ask me questions, which I feel responsible to know how to answer. I suppose I could stand there like a dumb bunny and shrug. But that's not the answer members deserve. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] illegal importation
There's more to this story. He and his brother-in-law faked documents and switched plants after inspection. Governments don't like that. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/fls/PressReleases/080812-01.html K Barrett N Calif, USA> > "A... Fort Lauderdale orchid seller pleaded guilty... to illegally > importing more than 1,400 plants from the Philippines in 2005.> > Mac Rivenbark... owner of Mac's Orchids and president of the Fort > Lauderdale Orchid Society, admitted he lied to authorities at Miami > International Airport, claiming the plants were artificially grown.> > The orchids... had been collected from the wild, in violation of > environmental protection laws.> > Orchids have been protected by international treaty since 1975.> > Rivenbark is to be sentenced Oct. 21.> He faces up to five years in prison and a potential fine of $250,000."> > URL : > http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flb3bdig08131sbaug13,0,3698937.story> > > Regards,> > VB _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] orchid temps
One of the replys I got off line was to this link from Michigan State University's orchid research page: http://www.hrt.msu.edu/faculty/Runkle/Orchid/Orchid_Research.htm Lotsa good stuff there. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] orchid time machine
> Ah yes, I have much the same memories, only mine were of south > Florida, > mostly in and around Miami. Seems like there was always some > little nursery > somewhere with a few tables full of treasures. Man, where is a time > machine > when you really need one?> > Best regards,> Jim> You got that right, Jim! Us orchid fans are out there and don't let anyone fool you into thinking we aren't. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] temps and blooms
I made a foolish mistake. My min/max thermometer is placed where it is convenient for me to read rather than where it gives a true reading of night time temps in the GH. And I'm beginning to think the annual night time temps are consistently too high for flowering. I thought the GH was cooling to 55F at night, even in summer, but really I think its more like 60-62F. Very close to Rotor's classic experiment on photoperiod/temperatures and flowering in Cattleyas. So I was wondering about annual temperature fluctuations as they pertain to blooming. I always assumed these summertime highs were ameliorated by wintertime lows, and it all balances out in the the end, but now I'm beginning to wonder. I wonder if there's been any work on 'lead-time' and temperature? Are these summertime highs screwing up flower induction for fall? I don't get the kind of blooming rates I think I should be getting, and when flowers do form many times they bloom on exceedingly short spikes - often not even making it out of the sheath. I'm speaking of the Cattleya alliance here. Well, my paphs aren't blooming great either, but I know what my troubles are with them, *G*! Any input? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] industry. Santa Barbara
Brings back memories of when Stewart's Orchids was there. We'd drive down for the SB show, then hit all the vendors and all the nurseries. Stewart's was always phenomenal - but I'm a catt lover. Due to a variety of business reasons Stewart's moved to the greater Natchez area, & later went out of business. A black day indeed. The stock was sold off and the Connoseur's Collection was sold to afficianados. I wonder if any remnant of orchid business lingers in Natchez? Anyone know? K Barrett N Calif, USA > > "Santa Barbara County...> Orchid-lovers on the inside track travel Via > > Real, the frontage road in > Carpinteria, to visit orchid estates including > > Gallup & Stribling,> Orchids Royale and> Westerlay Orchids.> > The Santa > > Barbara Orchid Estate, on the border of Goleta and Santa Barbara, > is home > > to one of the world's foremost collections of orchid species and > hybrids > > and is open to the public for tours and purchases.> > Nearby, the > > Cal-Orchid nursery is known for their diverse selection"> > URL : > > http://www.prweb.com/releases/Santa_Barbara/Fall_Travel/prweb1187514.htm> > > > *> Regards,> > VB _ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] cattleya names
> Is there an arbitor who can tell the peons that it's time to do this?> Gary As far as I know, Gary, its Kew or the RHS's orchid hybrid registrar. But don't quote me 'cause I was just about to ask the same question. To All - I understand van den Berg puts Laelia tenebrosa, etc, as varieties of L. purpurata, but I don't see new names published as such in this paper. They must be in some other journal. Maybe someone will comment further on them. Vol 4 of Genera Orchidacearum was recently published which I understand deals with epidendroids. I can't search inside the book on Amazon so don't know how these two treatments differ. (Or even if they cover the same subjects) If its not too lenghty and involved maybe someone can comment. Either on or off list if I'm the only one interested. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Further on kovachii
As long as I was googling around I figured I'd look to see what was up with the proposal to suppress the name Phrag kovachii. Here's the saga's next installment from Taxon magazine. http://docserver.ingentaconnect.com/deliver/connect/iapt/00400262/v57n2/s45.pdf?expires=1217052395&id=45257490&titleid=6069&accname=Guest+User&checksum=A0EA78275069653A73945B9A53262E3C or if that doesn't work try http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2008/0057/0002/art00045;jsessionid=9fgjg95r0eg7i.alice and go to the free download for the .pdf file. If you need to catch up the other Taxon articles are also free. IIRC they start in the Nov 2006 issue. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] New cattlerya names
The full article can be found at Neodiversity http://www.neodiversity.org/latestissue.html K Barrett N Calif, USA> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:36:43 -0400> From: "Wesley Higgins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: [OGD] New Cattleya Names> > For those who have not seen van den Berg's "New Combinations in the> Genus Cattleya" paper, Neodiversity 3:3-12 (2008), there are five new> names (nom. nov.) in Cattleya:> > > > Cattleya bicalhoi based on Laelia dayana> > Cattleya dichroma based on Sophronitis bicolor> > Cattleya hoehnei based on Laelia mixta> > Cattleya luetzelburgii based on Laelia bahiensis> > Cattleya neokautskyi based on Laelia kautskyi> > > > > Wesley E. Higgins, Ph.D. > Selbyana Editor > Head of Systematics > Center for Tropical Plant Science & Conservation > Marie Selby Botanical Gardens > 811 South Palm Avenue > Sarasota, FL 34236 > Telephone 941-955-7553 ext. 315 > _ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] There goes that idea...
Joan tells me pictures and graphics are the worst feature of her Kindle, Black and White and grainy. So there goes that idea K Barrett Always thinking in N Calif. _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Anyone got a Kindle?
Hi All, Anyone got a Kindle? How does the Pacific Central's web page or the California Sierra Nevada's web pages look on it? http://www.aospacificcentral.org and http://www.csnjc.org I didn't realize internet access came with a Kindle. Could be the way to access award data while sitting at the judging table. The screen seems brightly lit, even outdoors. And (to these old eyes) its way larger than a cell phone's screen, *G* Can you see the pictures & data without too much scrolling? How does it compare to what you see on your computer? Can you get to Jay's internet species encyclopedia? http://www.orchidspecies.org (I think.) Does it tak a long time to load? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] nothogenus
Cynthia, in looking through OrchidWiz I don't see that there is one yet, but I bow to those more knowlegeable than me. Can I suggest Kbarrettara? Or maybe that would be xKbarrettara, *G*! K Barrett N Calif, USA > > Can someone tell me what the nothogenus name would be for the grex > > Odontioda> (Cochlioda x Odontoglossum) by Cyrtochilum?> > Thanks,> > > > Cynthia > Berkeley, CA _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] SB fires
>From the Cal Orchid web site: SANTA BARBARA GAP FIRE is for all purposes over. Though now 50% contained, it is moving away from Goleta and has very little effect on our lives. The fire of almost 10,000 acres was confined to the hills behind town and burned no homes. As most Californians know, the fire was for many reasons beneficial as no homes were lost and the fire burned in 50 year old chapparel. The fire fighters who came from all parts of Californis did a fantastic job. As for the Orchid Fair, it is now a 100% go. The air quality is fine and poses no problems. Weather which is now hot inland is close to perfect in Santa Barbara, a little overcast in the morning and later very sunny with comfortable temperatures. Everyone is invited to come and join in all the festivities. By the time you arrive, you may not even know there was a fire. Thank you, Lauris, for keeping everyone informed! K Barrett N Calif, USA _ It’s a talkathon – but it’s not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] naming questions
Looking through the most recent AQplus and the most recent Orchid Hybrid List is see there are 'groups'. I'm familiar with the V coerulea 'pink group' and 'blue group'. I had no idea more groups were in the offing. Gepetto group, indeed. Is the hybrid registry really going to pay attention to these groups? And now, according to the AOS webpage, Sophronitis is going into Cattleya and an x or times sign will preceed all nothogenera. I assume everyone will ignore these changes and they'll become irrelevant. Alex Maxiamano will be the only person who'll have to know them so he can put the synonyms into OW. I'm sorry. I'm really trying not to rant. But there are times when I really have to know the "right" name for an orchid and these fluctuations are driving me batty. Combined with non-registered hybrids (like Den. Emma White) its sapping all the fun out of being an insufferable know-it-all. We used to laugh and say that growing orchids and knowing their names was a sure fire way to stave off Alzheimer's, but I give up. I guess growing species is the easier road. But no... I take that back... What's the line from the old movie 'War Games'? The only winning move is not to play. So who has street cred? Will Soph become C? Will it stay that way? Will these 'groups' be something we need to be famiar with? (Dear God keep them away from the color forms of L purpurata! or is it Soph purpurata? or C purpurata...?) K Barrett N Calif, USA _ It’s a talkathon – but it’s not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Goleta/Santa Barbara fires
I know they'll have the Gap fire under control by next week's Santa Barbara orchid fair, but right now my heart goes out to the owners and employees of the Santa Barbara Orchid Estate, Cal Orchid and all the other orchid nurseries (I say that just to keep the news on topic). If their air quality is anything like how our air quality was last week just breathing has to be suffering for sure. Well, actually its worse. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fires5-2008jul05,0,7374426.story K Barrett N Calif, USA _ It’s a talkathon – but it’s not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] NOID vandas
Yeah, the Zengyo White has some sort of V sanderiana alba in the background, and the Ascda - heck, it s blue so there's some sort of coerulea in the background, but beyond that I'd be loathe to guess. Looks like the policy of a nursery just slapping a name on an orchid is much more widespread than I thought. Sure, we all know about Den. Emma White but boy for all these nice (and productive) vandas to have no real name is a pity. My eyes are open now and I'll be more aware when in the marketplace, but to tell you the truth if an orchid strikes my fancy and the orchid-heat rises I'm sure my wallet will soon follow, LOL! (Of course that only encourages the practice.) But what the hell. Western Civilization has already fallen, *G*. K Barrett N Calif, USA > From: ROY LEE > I had another look at the Ascocenda and I feel that it is a hybrid from > Ascda Tubtim Velvet or one of its parents. > It also fits in with Vasco Prapin White. > I also found another pic of it in another website than those I found earlier > but this one also had 10 other Ascdas on it that the name didn't appear in > the RHS Register either. _ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] NOID Vandas
Thanks Roy for looking. After your post I googled the names and yes, the images that came up were reposts from the abpo usenet newsgroup. I still think its interesting that the owner says the Ascda Puihima has bloomed constantly, but that with each subsequent blooming the flowers get a darker blue. When she bought the plant the flowers were white. Anyway, thnaks for your comment K Barrett N Calif, USA > > This name chase is not unusual. I had a look on the net and found pictures of > the plants in question in another forum posted by the grower??? and also in > an picture posting site I've never seen before with different spelling of the > names. I also came up with nothing in a search for details. As I said this is > not unusual, I came across a website a while ago with some of the best Vandas > & Ascdas I've ever seen pictured with names. The names of these also don't > register anywhere so what they actually are is anybodies guess. It appears > that some Asian growers, nurseries like to give crosses names but never > register them correctly. > BTW, the plants you quote are delightful and I wouldn't mind them myself. > > Roy. _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] NOID Vandaceous Hybrids
A friend in Florida showed two pictures of her flowering vandaceous orchids. Neither are in the hybrid registry. Both are from large nurseries in Thailand. I wondered if anyone plugged in to the nursery business or knowledgeable of Thai orchids knew the parentage of these crosses. V. Zengyo White - from Zengyo nurseries (no help from them, alas) Ascda. Puihima - originator unknown The Zengyo White is 6 inches across. The Ascda Puihima was purchased as a white flower which has steadily become more blue in succeding flowerings. Neither have been much out of bloom since she bought them 2 yrs ago from small vendors in Florida who have no idea what the backgrounds of the crosses are. I thought the darkening of the Ascda to be interesting, so I wanted to know what made up the cross. That these are so vigorous is also a plus. Any help? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid genera
The RHS makes available a list of new genera every quarter at http://www.rhs.org.uk/learning/publications/pubs_journals_orchid_hybrid.asp The list is at the end of the new hybrid list. The registrar also comments on interesting hybrid developments. I believe the cattleya alliance changes were in vol 115 no 1277 but each edition has something interesting to say at the end of the list. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] crown rot on phals
I've been successful with plain old peroxide. I've scrubbed out all the vile smelling crown rot down to clean hard tissue, washed the plant off well and poured peroxide straight from the bottle from the drugstore into the remaining tissue. It froths etc. Luckily the plant pupped from the side and continued to grow. I think if you have good roots the plant has a better chance of recovery. Prevention is always the better course of action. Don't own more than you can inspect, water and dry at the kitchen sink. I don't know how the Taiwanese do it, but water standing in the axils and crown only leads to trouble (in my hands). Eventually they will lean to the side in the pot, or you can intentionally pot them so they don't stand upright, allowing water to shed from the crown. K Barrett N Calif, USA > If their is a more safer chemical to control these types of problems in > > Phalaenopsis I would be very interested in giving it a go.> I have been > growing Phallies for about 2 years and so far never had any > problems but am > increasing the numbers grown and do not want a disaster > to happen.> > > Cheerio> Ron> _ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] 'Don Brown' pic
A picture of the Den speciosum 'Don Brown' is on line on the Santa Barbara Orchid Estate's web page. Pieces of it are sold out but the pic is still there. http://www.sborchid.com/plantdisplay.php?ocode=CBO2153 Truly a phenomenal orchid. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 10, Issue 38
> >>From: K Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Harold Koopowitz has done a very > >>nice job with his new book 'Tropical> Slipper Orchids'. > Koopowitz > >>has made me reconsider paphs. Well, actually he's made me> see that every > >>paph in my collection is crap and I need to start over again.> <<<> > > >>Sounds to me as a very expensive book.. :) > > Peter M. HA! You got that right! Thank goodness I can't get in to Orchid Zone (they have a $1000 minimum...) K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 10, Issue 37
> I have been reading with much interest the different bark mixes used for > paphs and phrags in the new Tropical Slipper Orchids book by Koopowitz. The > mixes seem to use many different materials to keep the bark mix open, such as > lava rock, perlite, charcoal and aliflor. It got me wondering what the > difference is between spongerock and perlite. What are the different > characteristics of aliflor, lava rock, diatomite to make one more desireable > in a mix than the other?> I thought spongerock was the same as rockwool, collected salts easily and held (too much) moisture. I recall diatomite was used just like any other rock (aliflor, lava rock) in various mixes. The fact it holds some water wasn't necessarily the point. The point was the weight of the rock in the pot. YMMV. > Every year I transplant my paphs and phrags and prepare the mix a little > differently hoping that I might finally find the one that they really like > and grow bigger and better. Obviously I'm still working on it. I also thought > it was very interesting that most of the bark mixes mentioned used fine bark. > I've always gravitated towards medium, which could account for my lack of > success with some of my paphs. I grow everyone in a small greenhouse. The > temperature by the benches ranges from 60 to 64 degrees and, living in > western NY, there are not very many sunny days. For me, overwatering has > always been a problem, which is why I try for a more open bark mix.> > Any > thoughts?> Thanks,> Barbara Fuhrmann Tonkins orchids used to repot annually (if not more frequently) in straight fine bark. Nothing else added. Other OGDers can chime in on Orchd Zone's mix, which I think is equal parts lava rock, perlite and some sort of moisture retaining medium, I've heard peat and I've heard coir (ground coconut husks). But I really don't know for sure (and I noticed Koopowitz doesn't say, either). I think paphs like frequent repotting. I'm too lazy to give it to them. Read his comments on getting the insigne alliance to bloom. Maybe its your temperatures? (just a guess.) K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Koopowitz' Paph book
Harold Koopowitz has done a very nice job with his new book 'Tropical Slipper Orchids'. Koopowitz says the book is not designed to be read from cover to cover, but can be started at any point. So of course I set off to read it cover to cover. Do not skip the early pages. The comments on even simple things like sepal and petal formation are worth reading. Beginners will find the cultural information they so avidly seek, mid level hobbyists will find history and advice to refine their own collections, and students of breeding programs will find collected information on lineages they'll find no where else. Advanced growers will find things to argue with Koopowitz about at the next Paph Guild. Judging students will hang on every word, *G*. I'm sure taxonomists will gnash teeth over the taxonomy, but hey. Don't they always? As with anything you get more out of it the more you know. To a rank amateur a lot of the stuff about breeding programs will be uninteresting. But once a person's interest has been whetted this book will stand up to scrutiny on many levels. And I haven't even gotten to the Phrags yet... Cattleyas are the heart of my collection. Koopowitz has made me reconsider paphs. Well, actually he's made me see that every paph in my collection is crap and I need to start over again. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Now, when is that tax rebate coming? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cycnoches culture
Some Catasetinae have warmer or cooler requirements. Which species are we talking about? FYI Holst has a good book on Catasetums or OrchidWiz could help with other published cultural references. Jay Pfahl's page can help, too (orchidspecies.com). I've had better luck with these when I started pulling them out of the pot once they go dormant and leaving them in an empty pot (no medium whatsoever.) That way no inadvertant water could cause the back bulbs to shrivel and rot. But again, which species are we talking about? K Barrett N Calif, USA > > > Dear OGD readers! I have been growing som especies of genus Cycnoches for > > > about 1? years. As always when it comes to the Catasetinae-group you > > > always hear that these species shoudl have a strictly dry resting period > > > and no watering until the new growth sends out roots of its own (right?) > > > My problem is that some of my plants seem to shrivel into nothing but a > > > dry empty shell during the rest period! I keep them in a green house with > > > a realtive humidity of 70% and a temp of 20-25 deg. cent. (68-77 deg. > > > Farenheit). I was given the advise to keep them much cooler during the > > > winter rest...does anyone have any good experience with this. I would > > > really hate to loose any more plants so any good advice is most > > > wellcomed! RegardsAnders _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] flamingoes
A wonderful story about the flamingoes! I'd have liked to see that! Now I'm wondering what one feeds a domesticated flamingo, little pink nuggets of Purina's Flamino Chow? They eat some sort of shrimp from which they get their colorno? But I digress, further discussion about eating habits of birds should probably be taken off list before I truly tick someone off, LOL!! As to Jay's cold, the viral pool at the WOC probably came in from all over the planet, no? The poor Keys boy didn't stand a chance! K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WOC Catt changes
Supposedly the Brazilians were going to present comments on the recent RHS changes in the Cattleya alliance at the Miami WOC. Maybe present their own analysis or tree based on genetics or cladistic analysis. (?) Anyone have any further information? AFAIK there had been some discussion of renaming the genus for the Brazilian laelias to one that honored Brazil, but it was hinted that a more in depth assessment or taxonomic realignment was coming. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] how'd they do that?
I think someone already commented that Krull Smith really had to control its environment in order to get the Paph Michael Koopowitz to bloom like that. Made me wonder about the other exhibits. Someone said the flamingoes in the entry display were real... bwuh? How'd they keep the flamingoes in place without harming them? (They don't look chained in any of the pics I've seen... are they too stupid to move? *G*) And how'd other countries ship their plants without a blemish? Or damage from import inspections? Did they import them months ago and bloom them here? Awesome show. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Any pictures/blogs from the Miami WOC?
For those of you able to get usenet newsgroups people have started posting their pictures from the WOC in Miami. alt.binaries.pictures.orchids Any one know of any other sites/blogs with pics? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Colin Hamilton
Speaking of web savvy-ness Colin and Wolfgang got an award for the Orchids Australia website at the Dijon WOC, something I'd forgotten. You are right, he's gone too soon. K Barrett N Calif, USA > Yes most Australians have that type of self deprecating humour and Colin did that quite well. He will be sadly missed as a good Australian and computer savvy contributor and former editor of Orchids Australia magazine and I will miss him at AOC meetings. He encouraged me with snippets from here and there about orchid conservation and several articles resulted from that association. Colin was far too young to go this way. I can say this as I am about the same age and although very active, have realised nothing is forever or should be taken for granted and good ones like Colin in particular. > Alan W Stephenson> Conservation Director> Australian Orchid Council _ Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RIP Colin Hamilton
Colin Hamilton, former editor of Orchids Australia and their web master passed away Jan 14th in Rockhampton, Australia. Although he'd had other health problems for the past few years that kept him in and out of hospitals, I understand kidney failure is what finally got him. I knew Colin from OrchidSafari, where we'd chat about orchid culture. He always had a positive attitude and an open, happy personality. I believe his lighthearted posts here on the ODG reflected that, too. Even the OA magazine reflected a friendly chatty tone when he was editor. Or maybe that's how all you Australians write, *G*, no pretentions or bull. Anyway, I thought some of you may be interested to learn of it. Sorry it had to be sad news. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 10, Issue 4
Thanks, Viateur, That's a start. I'll bet the family had the Wellington culture guide in mind when they thought of the pic. K Barrett N Calif, USA > > "looking for a photo of ... Oncidium Beatrice Emery"> > Trichocentrum > > (Oncidium) Beatrice Emery = Trichocentrum stramineum x > Trichocentrum > > aurisasinorum.> > See colour photos in the following publications :> > 1) > > Oncidium Beatrice Emery 'Dee Lite' CCM/AOS> in AOS 1990 Awards Annual, page > > 131> > 2) Oncidium Beatrice Emery 'Pete' CCM/AOS> in AOS 1990 Awards > > Annual, page 131> > 3) Oncidium Beatrice Emery 'Princess' CCM/AOS> in AOS > > 1990 Awards Annual, page 132> > 4) Oncidium Beatrice Emery> in More > > Flowering Orchids Throughout The Year - Ross MacDonald - 1999, page 58> > > > 5) Oncidium Beatrice Emery> in Oncidium - A Cultural Guide - Wellington > > Orchid Society, page 80> > ***> Regards,> > Viateur _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS web page
Speaking of this month's 'Orchids', Fighetti says that later in January the newly redesigned web page will be launched with ALL the back articles from the Bulletin and Orchids available in the members only section. YAY I can't believe its really happening! Well I shouldn't celebrate too soon, I suppose. Its early days yet. Things can always foul up at the last minute Also they are having a membership sale: 2 yrs for $99 (or was it $99.95?). Available both to new members & old members who want to extend an existing membership. Sale goes through Jan, Feb & March. Supposedly you can buy it at the web page or by calling the AOS (whose number had *better* be on the web page, LOL!) Also the Dec update to AQ+ shipped on Dec 18th. I haven't gotten mine yet, so we'll see if it comes this week. H... there's a lot of 'we'll sees' in that paragraph aren't there? I wonder if FTD would put up with so many. Bah. Enough griping, its a new year. No downers so early, there's too much year left. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Onc Beatrice Emery
Hi icones, Yeah, I was afraid of that. I saw the article on WOC medals in this month's 'Orchids' and noticed the discrepancy in the dates. People's memories are tricky things. Also, I saw the pics in AQ+. Its a nice plant. Someone should remake it. OK, I'll see if I can get my hands on some of the references viateur found. Thanks for your help, K Barrett N Calif, USA > The Auckland WOC was in 1990, the Tokyo WOC was in 1987. Neither have > > Trichocentrum ( Syn Oncidium) Beatrice Emery on the cover of the > > Proceedings. There are several pictures in AQplus 3.1.> > icones _ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Need Photo Onc Beatrice Emery
Hi all, A daughter of a club member is looking for a photo of an orchid named for her deceased mother. Its Oncidium Beatrice Emery. It was on the cover of the 1987 WOC proceedings from Aukland, NZ WOC. Can someone scan that and send it to me? It'd make a daughter's heart sing. TIA K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 392
I know Mark Chase did a lot of the work but there are plenty of others, too. You can start with http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1355-4905.2005.00466.x There's a little link towards the upper right that'll take you to a .pdf for the complete article K Barrett N Calif, USA> > I find this wholesale reclassification of species and genera within the > cattleya alliance to be rather intriguing. I would like to examine the > papers and detailed DNA evidence that motivated acceptance of the new > alignments. Can someone please tell me which people did the research, where > the pertinent material is published and if it is available on the web?> > Tom Franczak _ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] DNA barcoding
DNA barcoding groups mention preservation of biodiversity as one of their aims. Much of this barcoding research is very new. What if the DNA barcodes lump rather than split a group of species resulting in a loss of biodiversity? Does that go against the stated aim of a group to preserve biodiversity? Would there be pressure to suppress that result? It has been said that countries have placed common species on CITES red list for their own purposes or aggrandisement, could they not also use barcoding to claim greater biodiversity? And perhaps wide ranging entitlements under future (hypothetical) biodiversity treaties? What, if any, ethics are involved? Do any of the groups such as BOLD or DI ever talk amongst themselves about potentials for abuse? It may sound laughable. But money - and I think in future years lots of money - will be parted out to preserve biodiversity and compenate for uses of a country's biodiversity. Definitions of species come and go. What was/is a species now versus 20 years from now could be quite critical. And valuable. It might be worth a better understanding of the dynamics involved, if any. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Back Issues in general
I know the Orchid Digest has their subject/author/title index on their web page (but I don't know how up to date it is). Has the ODC considered scanning their back issues? Putting them on you web space? Selling them in a CD/DVD format? I suppose the same could be asked of any orchid magazine. The Orchidarian etc. I know the WAOS has made some old public domain orchid books available on CD for a paltry sum. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] indexes
Hi Eliot, I look forward to the scanned back issues of the AOS Bulletin. I'm thrilled this project is nearing completion. For those of us who already have a decent Bulletin/Orchids collection will an online index be available? Maybe in the Members Only section? K Barrett N Calif, USA > Ken, Jean and all> > As a member of the AOS technology committee and point > person for the> Bulletin Scanning project I'd like to chime in with an > accurate update of> this Project.> > As stated in prior emails the project > was initially approved many years ago> and was the sole project of a single > member of the committee. Due to a> multitude of issues the project was > essentially abandoned after ~2yrs. The> committee revived the project about 2 > years ago. Given the complexity and> enormity (>70,000 pages) of such an > endeavor it was decided to farm out the> work to industry professionals. > After nearly one year of research a new> proposal was approved by the > Trustees. This would include digitally> reproducing all issues, creating a > standalone product that could be> searched, as well as creating a web-base > search product.> Currently all the issues have been scanned and those images > are at Princeton> Imaging for completion of the second part of the project. > We are> anticipating having everything wrapped up in the first half of 2008. > > > I hope this clears up any misinformation regarding this issue.> > Best > Regards> > Eliot Atstupenas, MD> Fayetteville, NC > _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] indexes
[snip] > However, it also has an image> index---so if you are looking for Cattleya > aclandiae you can search for> aclandiae and it will give you the year, volume > and page number in those> magazines for photos or drawings and in a large > number of books. This image> index originated with Bob Betts' orchid image > index that is available for> free on the London Orchid Society website > (London, Ontario, Canada). Bob is> still adding to it and Orchidwiz > apparently shares what new image references> they get with him. Between the > searchable index to AOS magazines and OD, and> the searchable image index - > it pretty well hits most of the articles on a> particular genus, species or > hybrid and is a useful for research. The image> index has images in articles > and in ads, which is useful for finding> pictures of hybrids or clones that > are historically important but difficult> to find in a book. Of course now a > high percentage of AOS award photos are> available on AQ+ CD from the AOS. > And that is another good resource. The> Judges Forum from AQ is being added > to that, along with an orchid glossary.> The Judging Handbook is already on > it. Thanks Jean! I didn't know Orchidwiz had Bob Betts' picture search on it. Great to know! It also has the Baker's cultural advice (in case you didn't know that.) It was a sad day during our recent show when a show worker felt there was no value to her 'Orchids' magazine, so she didn't feel bad cutting out some pictures to put in the display. Which is a pity, because people don't understand that just because you don't value something today doesn't mean you won't want it tomorrow. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has gone back through the annual index to find an article on a subject that I'd overlooked on the first go-round. Or found an article on a topic I didn't know I needed to know about until years later. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] indexes again
Bob Betts' picture page http://los.lon.imag.net/picref.asp at the London Orchid Society http://los.lon.imag.net/ can lead you to articles regarding whatever orchid you are wondering about. He lists all where all the pictures of an orchid was published, so in a backwards sort of way you can find articles/magazines/books etc on whatever orchid you are looking for. Works only for orchids, not stuff like lights, GHs etc. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 365
AFAIK the AOS doesn't release an electronic version of their index. If anyone has one please send it to me too. The AOS used to sell a complete index to the 'Bulletin' - which changed to 'Orchids' sometime in the 90s. IIRC the Bulletin's combined index cost around $100. And it didn't include any 'Orchids' articles. AFAIK there isn't an index to 'Orchids' The AOS may be working on one for the member's only section, but that's speculation on my part. You could compile your own index by copying the annual index found in each December issue and keeping them in a folder. Orchidwiz has both the Bulletin/Orchids and the Orchid Digest Corp author & title indexes (but not by subject) K Barrett N Calif, USA > > Does anyone have a complete table of content for the AOS magazines? If so can > you please send me off line. PDF format would be best as I am sure it will be > a large file and may take more than one reply. > Thank You in advance, > Joan Bailey _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] TAXON articles/response
I don't think Eric has published a response, but I'll bet if you email him his response will fry your cpu! *G* K Barrett N Calif, USA > Kenneth> Do you know where we may find Eric Christenson's response(s) to the > TAXON articles? > Peter _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 330
Interesting. Both Dalton and Peter let their Ddc wenzeliis get cold at night, 8C and 5C in winter... There may be hope for my intermediate conditions yet! Thanks to everyone who responded. I've become an armchair traveller thanks to the information super highway. I googled Philippine geography and found a wonderful coral reef habitat protected by the UN as well as interesting rounded dome-like hillocks on Cebu. Learn something new every day! K Barrett N Calif, USA > From: Dalton Holland Baptista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: [OGD] > Dendrochilum habitat question> I have been growing my D. wenzelii outside all > year around, potted in > osmunda. It's been like this for 4 years and is > growing very well and > blooming wonderfully.> > The area where I live has > temperatures like 32C - 20C (day-night) during > the Summer and 20 - 5C > during the Winter.> > I water it every other day during the Winter (for this > area is very dry > then) and every three days during the Summer, unless it > rains.> > It is under 70% screen and takes rains.> > Dalton> > K Barrett > escreveu:> > I looked up Dendrochilum wenzelii in Cootes' book and in Charles > & Margaret Baker's culture sheets. Both say wenzelii grows at about 1000m > however the Bakers say the temperature ranges from 89-90F during the day to > 68-69F at night. That doesn't seem right. Over 3300ft and so hot at night? > That would make wenzelii a warm grower, right? I've been growing it > intermediate with no blooms for years. I rotted the roots and have repotted > it, hence my search for cultural advice. My glumaceum, javieri and arachnites > have all been moved to the cooler section of the GH, too. These 3 seem to be > from high mountainous areas in the Philippines. Having no experience with > high tropical mountain areas is there some habitat in N America that would be > similar? Yosemite with high humidity? Or is there no translation? Both > authors say these don't like to be repotted, if repotting is to be done make > sure you do it with the new growth and use a long lasting medium, however the > medium was> very sour, roots almost totally gone, leaves dropping left and > right, so *something* had to be done. I put it in osmunda, tight in a plastic > pot. That's the longest lasting medium I own, other than rocks. > > > > How > do you repot your dendrochilums?> > > > K Barrett> > N Calif, USA _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dendrochilum habitat question
I looked up Dendrochilum wenzelii in Cootes' book and in Charles & Margaret Baker's culture sheets. Both say wenzelii grows at about 1000m however the Bakers say the temperature ranges from 89-90F during the day to 68-69F at night. That doesn't seem right. Over 3300ft and so hot at night? That would make wenzelii a warm grower, right? I've been growing it intermediate with no blooms for years. I rotted the roots and have repotted it, hence my search for cultural advice. My glumaceum, javieri and arachnites have all been moved to the cooler section of the GH, too. These 3 seem to be from high mountainous areas in the Philippines. Having no experience with high tropical mountain areas is there some habitat in N America that would be similar? Yosemite with high humidity? Or is there no translation? Both authors say these don't like to be repotted, if repotting is to be done make sure you do it with the new growth and use a long lasting medium, however the medium was very sour, roots almost totally gone, leaves dropping left and right, so *something* had to be done. I put it in osmunda, tight in a plastic pot. That's the longest lasting medium I own, other than rocks. How do you repot your dendrochilums? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] illegal plants
Thanks Peter. I'd forgotten Lee Moore told the story. K Barrett N Calif, USA > The story was told by Lee Moore, the American, I have it on file and will be pleased to send it anyone who wants to read it.> Contact me off OGD via e-mail.> > peter> > _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] illegal plants
[snip]> > Even then, my understanding is that it's not really a matter > of taxonomy once the plants are recognized. A technician who was > awake during the appropriate bits of the PowerPoint presentation on > telling whale baleen from sea turtle belts notices some plants that > are out of sorts, at which point they're taken to a taxonomist who > keys them out on the basis of morphology. Or, if he's particularly > clever, reading the tag that is appended to the plant in question.> > -AJHicks> Chandler, AZ> Assuming what's written on the tag isn't a previously agreed upon code name. This US 'fruit of the poisonous tree' notion reminds me of the story of a couple (European?) who witnessed a pickup truck load of Phrag kovachii plants, ripped from the forest some scant weeks after Kovach brought his plant to light. The couple had stopped for lunch (or shopping?) in a small Peruvian town, came out of the resturant/shop and saw the truckload. Quickly they agreed on a plan. One person was to guard the truck from departing while the other ran to get the cops. Of course by the time the person got back (sans police) the truck had gone. However the guard believed s/he'd glimpsed an important European collector/vendor in the vicinity of the truck but not actually associated with it. Rumors, innuendo, names and accusations flew about on other email lists and internet forums regarding the vendor's identity and possible illicit European or Japanese trade of these plants, but the vendor/collector was never truly identified, the plants never came to light, nor as far as I know were they ever sold. Openly that is... K Barrett N Calif, USA "Its the stuff dreams are made of." - Dashiell Hammett _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Reverse Pksychology
Snap! Hook, line and sinker! *G* K Barrett N Calif, USA> The question was asked, "Who is Alfredo Manrique?"[snip] > peter _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phragmipedium kovachii
I'm using Bob Wellenstein's advice for Paph compots (on his web page ladyslipper.com) for growing a Phragmipedium kovachii compot. I've put the undisturbed compot complete with agar in a plastic pot and in-filled with small bark (about 1/4 inch). As the agar melts away I infill with more small bark. They get misted 3x a day for a few minutes. Any water that makes it through the compot/bark medium or comes from the misters gets trapped in a very shallow tray. They get MSU fertilizer diluted to about 1/4 tsp/gal and city water. Mine are in intermediate to cool temps Maybe I should move mine. I figured if they were from high elevation in nature they'd be a cooler grower. (?) But they seem to be growing and haven't lost any yet. (Jinx!) Any advice is welcome. Who's Alfredo Manrique? I got my compot at a farmer's market in Oakland. I paid $29.95 plus tax, which ticked me off because none of the other stalls charged tax on their produce... so what's up with that? Jess Pullnyerchayn N Calif, USA > > Hi Kathy, > At risk of sounding grumpy, would you please call the plant by > > its > name. You sound like a gushing and swooning Dave's Garden perpetual > > novice > when you use Pk. Every time somebody uses that abbreviation I > > think: > reaction equilibrium constant, pK spell check corrected by > > Microsoft. (can > you tell I have a sometimes miserable day job in the > > chemical industry?) > I am treating my seedlings from Alfredo Manrique only > > slightly > different than normal Phrag seedlings. I do top dress my potting > > mix with > crushed oyster shell. My mix for some is diatomite, for some it > > is bark, > perlite & charcol and I stand all the pots in individual shallow > > trays of > water. There seems to be no big difference between the seedlings > > in bark > mix versus diatomite. Otherwise they are being treated just like > > seedlings > of Don Wimber or Jason Fisher. OK, I do admit I look at them > > daily, which > is attention the other seedlings don't get. But that is all. > > I am watering > with municipal tap water (about 225 ppm) to which 1/2 > > teaspoon per gallon > MSU Fertilizer has been added. Temps intermediate to > > warm. > Hope this helps> Leo> _ More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Pksychology
So, how's everyone treating their Pk seedlings? Do you take a 'devil may care' attitude and treat them the same as any other phrag seedling or are you taking care to give them extra special water & care? Are you doing that only because they are Pk? Are you not going to answer this message because you don't want anyone else to know you have Pk? *G* If so answer me privately. I don't recall many plants having this sort of cache or mystique. If there are they certainly aren't in my collection. I wonder if people think, 'jeepers I'd better not mess these up!' Might be an article in this somewhere. Orchid Fever part deux. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] OGD Host Changes
The OGD sprung from the Orchid List Digest, a LISTSERV by Willis Dair on the Santa Clara University computers. I subscribe to other large LISTSERVs with many members which are also operated through college/university computers and wonder if there may not be a person on this list with access to their university's LISTSERV capabilities... (for free). Granted I should keep my mouth shut about things I don't understand, like whether this would be against a university's rules or challenge Kenneth's standing as list owner. But its an idea. But to answer the questions, yes I like the OGD, yes I like the email format. I looked at the freelist.org website and that's about all I know about that, *G*. Thanks for everything you do, Kenneth. K Barrett N Calif, USA >Hello all, > > >Over the past couple of months (and I'm sure it has been "years" to >some) I have received more and more complaints of no digests being >delivered although the people in question were members. >Some of these complaints were easy to fix and involved local spam >filters ;-) , other problems were much more complicated as the >mailserver used to distribute the OGD was blacklisted for spamming... >add to that a host that does not react quickly and you can imagine the >frustration on both subscriber and listowners end. > > >I feel now that the time has come to make some changes and being on >the lookout for a new host I fear that I will have to make _drastic_ >changes. > >Many hosts nowadays put a limit on the number of e-mail messages being >sent out and so far the common figure seems to be 200/hour ! >Yes, a mere 200 mail messages per hour... I might seem a lot to some >but the list officially has some 1500 addresses subscribed, so that >means a delay of 7 hours (!) to get the digest out to the last person. >In the past, when the discussions were still lively and we had lots of >participants, we sometimes sent out 3-4 digest per day ! > >At this moment I have not found a solution whereby list management >would remain linked to the domain as I don't have the time, knowledge >nor the money to take up dedicated server hosting. >I have considered external hosting like coollist, googlegroups and >yahoogroups but have discarded them because they add advertising and >some of these actually require you to open an account with them... > >I am right now looking into freelists (freelists.org) and this seems good. > >Does anybody else have suggestions about the future of the OGD ? >Does anybody have experience using freelists ? >Do you still like the OGD to be email based ? >Should I have dropped the "to be email based" in the previous question ? >;-) > > >kind regards, > >Kenneth >OGD listowner. _ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] cladistic analysis
> Are there any groups of researchers challenging the papers from >the one group I am referring to? I haven't seen anything lately, >Leo > I think that's because the theory and analysis has pretty much been accepted. Weird, I know, but there are better tools available for elucidating taxonomic relationships now. And that's this DNA/cladistic analysis. I don't understand it. I never will. I've decided to "drink the Kool-Aid". http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drink+the+kool-aid K Barrett N Calif, USA _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Sorta epigenetics
Jean, While not on epigenetics per se here's some notes on polyploid evolution: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~mbhattac/bhattacharyya/polyevolution.pdf An interesting theory, proposed by Soltis and Soltis, that all angiosperms originally had something like 8 chromosomes and through naturally occuring accidents in gametogenesis over the ensuing billion years (I exaggerate the timeline) angiosperms now have as many chromosomes as they do because the polyploid 'accidents' out compete the plants with normal 'n' numbers. Also that 'they' (whoever 'they' are) now believe these accidents in gametogenesis occur more frequently than originally was thought. I haven't truly followed through to google more info on Soltis & Soltis. Did you see 'they've' traced house cats back to 5 'Eve's' from Mesopotamia? Not Egypt after all. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464985&in_page_id=1770) K Barrett N Calif, USA > >Does anyone know if anyone has looked at or considered any epigenetic >effects in orchids? We all know that the rapid accumulation of DNA data on >species and subsequent groupings into clades is/has led to turning many >genera (and orchid judges and enthusiasts) on their heads. On the other >hand >there are a lot of cases where morphology doesn't quite match that so the >next question is, if for instance there is a lot of rapid speciation going >on in places like Ecuador (Hirtz), then is it possible that some of this >so-called speciation could be epigenetic effects brought on by intense and >in a historical perspective 'sudden' environmental changes like >deforestation or climate change. I guess the key word is rapid, which is >why >I asked the second question about epigenetic effects because if any of >these >new 'species' are really epigenetic changes that may only last a few >generations because they are epigenetic and not as stable as DNA changes, >then how is the taxonmist barely hanging onto a wet hillside in the field >Ecuador to know what is a real species or not (given something that looks >new is really an epigenetic effect). >I have pondered this since the magazine Nature had a series of featured >articles on epigenetics a couple of months ago. >Jean Allen-Ikeson in Nova Scotia, Canada _ http://liveearth.msn.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] OW Tutorial
After taking the tutorial (found on the OrchidWiz webpage - google it) Orchid Wiz has proven to be beneficial in 2 more ways. 1)The cultural information provided by Charles & Margaret Baker. (Click on the 'culture' button.) 2) The 'Sources' tab found under the previously mentioned 'Culture' tab. This is where you can find literature citations for articles on whatever it is you are looking up. I was looking up L pumila (yeah,yeah, sophronitis or whatever it is these days) and C walkeriana and found what I was looking for faster than looking thru the AOS bulletin index - including boot up time for the computer and boot up time for the program. These boot time considerations must be included, in my humble opinion. Also, in the image 'Gallery' section there's a section for published images, including vendor catalogs and the like. Understand, I use OW almost exclusively for AOS award research so I think of it in those terms, but I'm beginning to learn there's more useful stuff in here than I imagined. Of course, it helps if you have a library, too. *G* Its nice that it has as many images of flowers that it does. (NOT award images, just plain old images like what you see every day.)( Which isn't to say they are *bad* images, just that I don't want people to think they are the AOS award images) (Oh bother, how do I get myself into these messes?) I have no affiliation with OrchidWiz. (Obviously, *G*) K Barrett N Calif, USA _ http://newlivehotmail.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS Index of sorts
The latest version of Orchid Wiz (4.0) has the index to 'The AOS Bulletin' and 'Orchids' as well as the index to 'The Orchid Digest' magazines. So far its only a title and author search. Not by subject. If you put various different words into the title search - such as 'green', 'Brazil' - well, you get the idea - you get some useful information. If you are lucky enough to recall the author of an article, or series of articles (Chadwick, Motes, Menzes) then they all turn up. Anyway, since I've been bellyaching for years about how the indexes need to be available so our back issues of these magazines become more valuable, and not just potential trash, I figured I'd let you all know. One's available. I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz, K Barrett N Calif, USA _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] copyright pictures/ebay
Roger, I've had sellers on eBay *say* they had my permission to use my photos, when indeed they never, ever contacted me at all. I've used eBay's procedures to challenge/remove pictures and the vendor has done it. As far as I know copyright has to be maintained by the person holding copyright, people taking claim to the copyright need to be challenged, else your claim to sole rights isn't as strong. There used to be a decent page on copyright you can google. eBay isn't selling, its gambling. You 'win' it on eBay. Whatabunchamalarkey. K Barrett N Calif, USA >Hi Eric-- > >Can you suggest just how one goes about researching such intellectual >property ownership? I'm not really at all clear about how to do that. I >was told that a written (ie email) response from the source declaring >ownership, and permission to use, was considered due diligence under the >law >... of course laws vary state to state and country to country as well. If >the auction owner was told by a hybridizer that it was his picture, doesn't >that make the hybridizer the thief (or at least more so the thief)? > >Wouldn't it be easier for everyone to simply put their/your logo and (c) as >a watermark on along the edge of the photos like so many professionals and >news agencies have done for years? In the instance cited, I'm afraid I >would feel like I had been bushwhacked ... and I understand that there are >some unscrupulous type who are even doing that. It all reminds of the >frivolous patents filed simply laying in wait fro someone to fall into them >and get sued ... even to the point of patenting particular candle designs! > >Regards/Roger, in Bangkok > > >On 6/1/07, Eric Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just thought I'd share a little bit - I had 8 ebay auctions taken down > > last > > night from 4 sellers who were using my photography without permission. > > > > One of the auction owners contacted claimed they got the images "from a > > hybridizer" and didn't know they were stolen. Sorry, that doesn't cut >it. > > You have a legal obligation to research every bit of intellectual >property > > you use in your business and you should be prepared for the consequences > > if > > you don't have the appropriate rights. And yes, I was very rude to this > > person when I informed them that I would continue to have eBay take > > auctions > > down with my photos on them. I'm a nice guy until you start stealing my > > work. I don't cut you slack when you fail to do your legally-required >due > > diligence during the course of operating your business. > > > > eBay auctions are the only place I consistently have my photos stolen. >My > > opinion of the entire marketplace is rather low, especially after >spending > > 2 > > hours last night going through THOUSANDS of auctions and seeing the same > > 20 > > photos used across the board, everywhere. > > > > So let this be an education and wake-up call to those selling orchids on > > eBay - the photographers are watching you. > > > > Thanks a million to one of the loyal readers on my site - Jon, from the > > midwest, for alerting me to this last round of illict photo use. > > > > -Eric in SF > > www.orchidphotos.org _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 185
Here's OGD 185. I, too, do not have 182/183. I'll bet the computer ate them, *G* K Barrett N Calif, USA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: orchids@orchidguide.com To: orchids@orchidguide.com Subject: Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 185 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:00:13 +0200 Send Orchids mailing list submissions to orchids@orchidguide.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Orchids digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ebay (Alan W Stephenson) 2. Grammatophyllum speciosum / flowers sold on the street (Indonesia) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:49:57 +1000 From: "Alan W Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] ebay To: "Orchid Digest" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last year I was alerted to a person in Australia selling native terrestrial orchids through ebay. I posted a notice on the site to the vendor asking them to prove the plants were legally collected and were being sold with all necessary permission and if not to remove them from sale. I was pleased to note almost immediately that the plants were removed from ebay. No photos or copyright were involved but if you think the actions on ebay are questionable, then say it out loud as ebay will sit on its hands and do nothing. Failing that contact the authorities. Alan W Stephenson National Conservation Officer Australasian Native Orchid Society -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:33:50 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] Grammatophyllum speciosum / flowers sold on the street (Indonesia) To: orchids@orchidguide.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed "Flowers of endangered orchid... g[G]rammatophyllum speciosum... known as the largest... in the world are sold on the sides of some streets... the flowers of the endangered orchid locally named `anggrek macan` or `anggrek harimau` are sold along with other ornament flowers... Orchid flowers whose tree is as tall as a sugar cane tree... Florists said they got the orchid flowers from a forest area in Mt. Meratus in Kalimantan. Literature on grammatophyllum specio...sum, sp said an orchid plant could reach 15 feet high and the weight of a clump of orchid plants was once recorded to reach two tons. The endangered species could be found in humid tropical forests in Kalimantan, Sumatra, Papua New Guinea and Malaysia. Grammatophyllym speciousum blooms in every two to four years. Its flowers could last for 2 months." URL: http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/6/3/world-largest-orchid-flowers-sold-on-banjarmasin-street *** Regards, VB -- ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com End of Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 185 *** _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS fees
Hi Lisa, The AOS award fee reduction is a direct effect of reduced overhead. AOS award photography has gone digital, so no more costs of film, or slide developing, no more printing of a full color AQ. Instead the AQ will be the AQ Plus CD subscription and a text only magazine. No printed photos. Or if there are photos they will be black and white. (Sorry I can't recall which right now) K Barrett N Calif, USA From: Lisa Thoerle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd rather see the AOS retain the higher judging fees and lower the cost of membership. If the goal is to expand, the way to do it is by recruiting new members--few of whom would be interested in the lower judging fees, but many of whom would benefit from a lower membership fee. I do hope this is not a harbinger of the "new direction" the new leadership has chosen. The leaders of tomorrow will come from today's new members. The organization needs new members, and this is NOT the way to encourage them! --Lisa Thoerle, pleurothallidiot (Let's see, I have an asbestos suit here somewhere...) _ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS judging question
Ed and Nancy, Every orchid in an orchid show with AOS judging is entered for AOS judging. If a judge doesn't pull a plant then it has received its judgment: it has been "screened out". So, all plants in a show are entered. All plants, unless pulled, have been judged and screened out. Therefore you can't take an orchid to show 'B' and enter it for AOS judging saying it hasn't been judged. It has. It was screened out at show 'A' If an exhibitor doesn't want an AOS award, please mark it "not for AOS judging" and the judges won't look at it. This doesn't apply to the society's ribbon judging and trophy awards, which are a different judging system. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Apple Moths
Up in Washington you'll have to contend with the bark mold problem, no? *G*! And don't forget water runoff problems. Its always something! K Barrett N Calif, USA Welcome back to the Mainland. any time that Ag..can make life more difficultwell just guess...You can bet that there will be inspections..but, if believed..they will be on site. and, yes, cost us more..we have two such each year here already..at over thirty dollars each...as long as they can siphon more, they will.. I will be glad to move away..the place is for sale and when sold I am off to Washington state where nurseries are not used for gain by the State...well, at least not to this extent..A far worse problem here are the coqui frogs...yet...have you heard all that much about them? In Wash. I will only have to contend with deer hiding in my packages...Bill _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS judging process question
Nancy, for next year: we just got word from the Judging Comittee meeting in Arlington Texas. Fees for awards given after July 1, 2007 will be reduced. After July 1, 2007 the fee will be $32, $28 if you pay through the AOS web page. I don't know if the fee is different if you aren't an AOS member. Presently its about $40, IIRC. More if you aren't a member. K Barrett N Calif, USA While reading through the booket published by an orchid society for their upcoming show, I noticed the notations about submitting plants for AOS judging regarding displaying plants that had been displayed at a previous show. If a plant has been seen already (same flowering), then it can be entered into a display with a notation "not for AOS judging." This I understand; it enhances and makes a society's display fuller. The situation with our society is this: another neighboring society has an upcoming show; our society always makes a display for their show. The very next weekend, our own society is hosting a show. So - the likelihood of our very small group assembling two entirely different sets of plants one week apart is pretty remote. My question for those who are judges, or knowledgeable about this process: rather than sending our 'second string' (aka, pathetic) plants to the first show, and keeping the nicer ones for our own, can we display *unseen* plants at the first show, and notate them as "not for AOS judging" and then have them eligible for judging at our show a week later? Of course, we always want to set up the most attractive booth we can, but we certainly want to dazzle and awe at our hometown show. Any valid opinions on this? Thanks - Nancy _ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Light Brown Apple Moth
With all due respect to Bill Begstrom, I think this might just be a bigger problem than he thinks. Not that there will be any moths in shipments, but the paperwork involved in documenting that there are no moths will be another learning experience. And since wholesalers in Hawaii and California are affected, I'd expect additional procedures and (maybe even fees?) to be assessed for handling and documents? Yes? No? http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pdep/lbam_main.htm K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Lawson
Thanks to all who've supplied contacts for Jamie Lawson of Springwater Orchids in Florida. Isn't the internet amazing? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Lawson?
I'm looking for the name/company of the Lawson who registered Bc. Mother Lawson and Blc Rebecca Lawson. Somehow I don't think its the same T Lawson from Britan who registered many Paph hybrids in the 1940s. Any help? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] ploidy etc
Thanks Oliver, I may not be able to find the paper you referenced, but nevertheless I see your point. I agree with you about needing benchspace in order to bloom out the result of such breeding. Thansk for taking the time. K Barrett N Calif, USA > > >Now... Is it too insane for me to ask for a dumbed down version as to how > >one does this? It seems awfully complicated. One would have to isolate >the > >gene/chromosome etc. Or does one just surmise its isolation from the > >outcome of the cross? > >With some difficulty: you might care to look at the Brassia napus paper >that i >referenced in the post. In essence, you need to cause a gamete (a pollen >cell) >to duplicate its genetic material, which you can do with colchicine and an >electric shock, amongst other stimuli. The resulting 'fake diploid' has to >be >nurded (a typo which I am going to let stand as appropriate - I mean to >type >'nursed') to adulthood through the usual mericlone process. Of course, you >have to do this in huge parallel to get the desired combination of genes, >and >unless you have a whole mol biol lab (and know which genes you want) you >have >to grow them all to adulthood to get the one that you want. >__ > >Oliver Sparrow _ Mortgage refinance is hot 1) Rates near 30-yr lows 2) Good credit get intro-rate 4.625%* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5f&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=743 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Nature mag
Nature's website offers individual articles for sale. Orchid magazines might be able to copy their lead on use of a web site to market their magazine. Just a thought. K Barrett N Calif, USA > >The 15 March issue is very interesting, as it is dedicated to Linnaeus' >memory, and reviews the state of taxonomy. > >Oliver Sparrow _ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] haploids
>Quote: > > >>I have never heard of any authenticated haploid strains of orchids in >any genus. Can you or anyone else >point me in the direction of some paper >or publication where they are documented? > >I don't think that angiosperms can be adult and haploid, unlike bryophytes. >However, the original point of the thread was whether a haploid gamete >could >have its chromosome number doubled to diploid status, but be a fixed >homozygous adult. The answer is that it can, and that this is routinely >done >in agricultural plant breeding. > Thanks Oliver, you stated much more clearly what I was trying to get at. Now... Is it too insane for me to ask for a dumbed down version as to how one does this? It seems awfully complicated. One would have to isolate the gene/chromosome etc. Or does one just surmise its isolation from the outcome of the cross? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] haploid
Andy, Thanks for answering. I've emailed you privately with more questions. K Kathy, I have never heard of any authenticated haploid strains of orchids in any genus. Can you or anyone else point me in the direction of some paper or publication where they are documented? I think the Hawaiian work was done with converted tetraploid hybrids, some primaries and others more complex. Certainly with allotetraploid crosses I have found very uniform offspring. Andy _ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] amphidiploids in breeding
A million years ago in a galaxy far far away Carson Whitlow said: "Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:42:06 -0600 From: "Whitlow, Carson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "There have been haploid (n) plants arise in orchids, usually from wide crosses. If we set out to produce haploids with a specific diploid (2n) complex artificial hybrid as the pod parent and succeed, we are able to literally see the entire genetic make-up of each of the haploid plants. Now, by doubling the chromosomes of one of these, say with colchicine, we end up with a diploid plant which theoretically could produce seed. However, since the plant would be totally homozygous, all progeny will be the same as the parent, excluding chance mutations. (The chance mutations would be desirable in this case.) Would this artificially produced diploid and its progeny not be a new species by definition?" I am particualrly interested in the concept of a totally homozygous parent, or one where the genome could be guessed at with predictable hybdization traits. In this case chance mutations would not be desirable, The hybridizer would want to pass along a predictable result without variation and without resorting to mericlones which may pass along virus or its own mutations from the mericlone process. Is this how progress in blue cattleya breeding has come as far as it has? I read in Kamemoto's dendrobium book that breeding with polyploids is more advanced than I'd ever suspected. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] wet wall
Hi Nicholas, Ed Wright had a discussion on hobby GH construction a few years ago on OrchidSafari. If you go down about 2/3's to 3/4's of the page you'll see a photo of his design for sealing a wet wall for winter. http://www.orchidtrek.com/ghse/ghse1.html K Barrett N Calif, USA > >Thank you to everyone who responded on- and off-list >to my query about a wet wall for my new greenhouse. >Most people suggested one of the external evaporative >coolers instead, and this weekend I spoke to a local >grower who uses one. Apparently, it works well, >despite our high humidity, and requires a much smaller >hole in the greenhouse "skin" > >Mark Sullivan asked why I was concerned about >insulating a wet wall. It's not freezing of the wet >wall itself that worried me, so much as sealing such a >large opening in the greenhouse. For the external >evaporative coolers that is less of an issue. > >Thanks again. > >Nick >-- >Nicholas Plummer _ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Eric Young
http://www.thisisjersey.com/code/showarticle.pl?ArticleID=000456 Speak of the Devil! A recent article in the EYOF if not Eric Young himself. In going back through the OGD and OLD Paul Johnson, Mary Nesbit, David Jansen and Eric Mulbauer all travelled (or intended to travel) to the EYOF in the past decade. Did you guys ever make it there? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Eric Young/ Alex D. Hawkes
Anyone know of a biography on either Eric Young or Alex D. Hawkes? All I've been able to google is that Eric Young may have owned a successful series of jewelry stores in the Channel Islands, or he may have been a trained scientist... nevertheless he is rumored to have owned 3 Rolls Royces?? Passed away in 1984 after a meeting of the RHS...??? And there's nothing whatsoever on Alex D, Hawkes. Any guidance is appreciated. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Win a Zunemake MSN® your homepage for your chance to win! http://homepage.msn.com/zune?icid=hmetagline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Buffalo Orchid Show
Just an idea. Someone could take their video camera to the show, tape the orchids and displays, interview characters of interest and put them on YouTube, then publish those links on the club's web page and also send the links around all the forums. Would be a service to the club membership and environs, & let the rest of us see how you grow orchids in balmy Buffalo, NY. Just how deep *was* the snow, anyway? K Barrett N Calif, USA (dragging orchid shows into the 21st century) >The Niagara Frontier Orchid Society will hold its annual Orchid Festival >and Sale on Saturday (2/24) and Sunday (2/25) at the Buffalo and Erie >County Botanical Gardens at 2655 South Park Ave, Buffalo, New York 14218. >The hours will be from 10 AM to 5 PM daily. > >There will be numerous orchid displays as well as potting demonstrations at >noon and 3 PM. >Orchid vendors will include Marlows Orchids, Bloomfields Orchids, and >Cloud's Orchids. > >Joe DiDomenico, Show Chair _ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Tennessee & orchids
Yes Rivermont is what I was thinking of...if I recall correctly they used to breed a lot of Catts. Was owned by Clint Dade or McDade? Did some of the first work with Don Wimber and cloning? or poliploidy... (yes? no? my brain is rapidly turning into mush,LOL!) K Barrett N Calif, USA Riverbend Orchids is in Biloxi, Mississippi. Perhaps you are thinking of Rivermont Orchids, which was on top of Signal Mountain, just north of Chattanooga? The famous old firm of Rivermont Orchids (which supplied the orchids for the classic movie, In the Heat of the Night) closed down in 1975 or so. Lines Orchids is located about 1/2 mile down the road from the former Rivermont property. John Lines at one time worked at Rivermont. Hope this helps. ;^) Ed Merkle Merkle's Orchids 1008 Maplewood Place Nashville, Tennessee 37216 _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Tennessee
Does nothing exist anymore of Riverbend Orchids in Signal Hill? K Barrett N Calif, USA Hi Martin, Welcome to Tennessee. Knoxville, Tennessee's climate lends itself to growing virtually any but the very coldest growing orchids with ease. There are a couple local orchid businesses in Knoxville, including Elmore Orchids, and there is Lines Orchids in Chattanooga (a large place but no website), Owens Orchids near Asheville, North Carolina, and Peach State Orchids in Atlanta...all within a two hour drive for you...and you can see what they grow. For mail-order orchids...the sky is the limit...there are many dozens of good places. Hope this helps, Ed Merkle Merkle's Orchids 1008 Maplewood Place Nashville, Tennessee 37216 _ Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft® Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Peter Crozen take a valium
Who died and made you God, Peter? K Barrett N Calif, USA > >Calm down, stop fuming, write brief and clear replies and accept reality. >peter _ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? Top school degrees online - in as fast as 1 year http://forms.nextag.com/goto.jsp?url=/serv/main/buyer/education.jsp?doSearch=n&tm=y&search=education_text_links_88_h288c&s=4079&p=5116 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS awards/commercial aggrandizement
Peter(s), Marc et al. You are putting the cart before the horse. Just because some commercial enterprises choose to secondarily market their product at a higher rate because its received an AOS award does not mean the AOS endorses their orchids for commercial purposes Indeed, I think Marc was only making a joke which the two Peters have chosen to take too seriously. Note to the public at large: Do not be fooled. Just because an orchid gets an award doesn't mean it'll bloom equally as good for you in your conditions. Caveat emptor. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchid Wiki
Can whoever posted a link to their attempt to create an orchid wiki please repost? I didn't know what a wiki was. I didn't realize one coud be set up for just about anything. What a concept. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Live Search: Better results, fast http://get.live.com/search/overview___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS endoirsement
> It is wonderful that the AOS endorses orchid products that meet agreed > standards. It sets a seal of quality that new hobbyists can trust instead of > having to buy orchid supplies that have been scraped off some warehouse > floor. Notice, they are not endorsing orchid plants but I could see in the > future some sort of a system maybe where aggrieved customers could get an > arbitrated settlement for substandard plants from growers who signed on to an > AOS administered scheme. Let's get into the 21st Century!> > Andy Easton Andy, do you know which committee decides the endorsements? Or if the AOS makes any money off the endorsement? I know at one point in time the Conservation committee was asked to put an orchid friendly stamp on organic coffee from someplace in Central America, and decided not to do it. The article Giles cites says the AOS is selling the potting material, in addition to providing education and information via the web site and 'Orchids'. Which may or may not be a good thing depending on whether any income could be misconstrued as a kick back. If they are just selling the potting material as a service, because people who buy orchids also need to buy potting material then that's one thing. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get connected - Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS product endorsement
Giles, yes, I skipped right past that. I thought it was similar to the American Dental Association's dental council which approves dental therapeutics but does not receive any renumeration for their endorsement. (ie the ADA has a seal of approval on Crest, but receives no payment for that seal. They may receive money from Crest for other stuff, but not for the seal.) In re-reading the article I see that the AOS has ventured down a slippery slope, selling a product they also endorse instead of standing apart from any filthy lucre, *G*. This makes me wonder if there's committee for product endorsement? Who is on the committee and what is their policy on endorsements. That said, the AOS has had various partnerships in the past. For example Sun Bulb used to place AOS culture notes on the plants they'd then wholesale to large box stores. I do not recollect that the AOS got any $$ for the tag but their web address offered further information to the customer. And Sun Bulb offered a customer service by giving *some* sort of culture advice to their customers who buy orchids at large box stores. So it was a win/win situation. ( at least I *think* it was SunBulb) Anyway, one of the large wholesalers did that...maybe it was Kerry's Bromelaids... My point was that many organizations endorse products, Good Housekeeping, etc, but monetary gain by said endorsement is, IMHO, an ethical no-no. I wonder if that may not be a violation of the 501(c)3 status..hmmm, that would depend on how the contract was written... after all God is in the details. Too many musings from me. *G*! K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 52
[snip]> Kathy (a real AOS cheerleader) [snip] > Merv> AOS member since 1969 snork! Good one! I nearly split my sides laughing! Merv, if asking people to quit complaining here and take it to the people who can actually *do* someting about it qualifies me as a cheerleader then I accept the lable, erroneous though it may be. You may recall I said the same thing during the OGD's (many) CITES wars. People come here and complain, and sometimes even think up good solutions to the problem and then *don't take it to the powers that be*! How foolish is that? So stop before you start. If our paths ever cross we can share a beer and bitch about the AOS. I bet I'll have more stories of recent vintage than you do. Go fill out the survey. Give them a piece of your mind. By the way I agree with you about the AOS forum being nothing but praise for a bunch of pictures of orchid homunculi. There. Happy now? Have I spread any more sunshine in this miserable world by saying that? No. How about this: Worse yet most online forums the level of discourse never rises beyond where to cut the phal spike and what kind of medium to use. Let's face it even the OGD has become nothing but viateur's rss feed articles. All the scientists fled and we are left with taxonomists, yeah, like that helps... I've tried putting some stuff I found valuable on the OrchidSafari page. Made me feel better, but I'm sure absolutely no one reads it. Its makes their heads hurt is what one person told me. So I figured 'Why bother?" And don't *even* get me started on the eAOS program. Well, I need coffee. It too early in the AM for this stuff. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Bill Bergstrom
Bill. I agree. If someone has an issue with the AOS then please tell the AOS. You only get the club that you participate in. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think their survey is still up on their web page http://www.aos.org/aos/ Give 'em a piece of your mind. They are asking for it. K Barrett N Calif, USA> I have known Tennis for some time.SorryI cannot believe anyone could come up with such stuff to degrade the AOS...I cannot condone it...What is he talking about? [snip] William Hubert Bergstrom...(shows my attitude..doesnt it?) _ Get connected - Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] scaphosepalum
According to OrchidWiz Scaphosepalum is Sppm. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get connected - Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchid Digest
Now let's not be so quick to sing the praises of the Orchid Digest magazine. It too has its faults. I for one could do without the stereovision 3D photo and Koopowitz's little stories on orchid history. Sure they are cute for the first page or two, but by the 3rd page I begin to wonder what other good orchid information could have been published instead. Like a good scientific article on orchid scent. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Bulbo/Cirro
Thanks for taking the time to answer so completely Peter. You are always informative! K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] More on Bulbophyllum masdevalliaceum vs. B. blumei
> Julia Redman asked:> > >> (The Bulbophyllum) is easily a masdevalliaceum or > blumei,> >>but I really don't know how to tell the difference between the > two. Are> >>these synonyms?> > and Peter O'Byrne answered:> > >Yes, they are > synonyms. The correct name is B. blumei (Lindl.) J.J.Smith.> > I have since > recieved this email on the subject:> > "While there is no doubt that these > names stand for the same species,> it can be argued, as has been done by Paul > Ormerod, that not B.> blumei, but B. maxillare is the correct name for this > species. The> oldest name is Blume's Ephippium ciliatum (1825). In 1830 > Lindley> transferred this to the genus Cirrhopetalum. He named it C. blumei> > (actually 'blumii'), citing E. ciliatum Blume as the basionym. That,> > however, is against the rules: he should have named it Cirrhopetalum> > ciliatum. Therefore, C. blumei is an illegitimate name. Following the> rules, > the next validly published name for this species is> Cirrhopetalum maxillare > Lindl. (1843), which Reichenbach transferred> to Bulbophyllum in 1861. So B. > maxillare (Lindl.) Rchb.f. is the right> name (for now). Note that the name > Bulbophyllum ciliatum has already> been used for a different species, > otherwise this would of course have> been the name to apply."> > I'm not > going to argue taxonomic technicalities with Paul Ormerod. I> stand > corrected. And I've changed all my labels to B. maxillare.> > Peter O'Byrne I've been meaning to ask: I understand Cirropetalums have been moved back to Bulbophyllum. Is that so? And who was the taxonomic authority who moved them and how accepted was the change? (Many questions, I know) The reason I ask is because I have Sigreist's book, and she separates blumei from masdevalliacum (sorry if I spelled that wrong) on the basis of inter pseudobulb distance. One has a longer rhizome than the other... which I always thought was sort of dependent on culture and age of plant So I wondered who was the bulbophyllum expert upon whom I could hang my hat. K Barrett N Calif, USA Also changing tags _ Live Search: Better results, fast http://get.live.com/search/overview___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Science is where you find it.
Under the category of 'Science is Where You Find It' I'd like to recommend Candice Millard's book 'River of Doubt'. It deals with Theodore Roosevelt's trip to the Amazon Basin in 1914. The trip started out as a light vacation but somewhere along the line changed to a full expedition along the here-to-fore unnamed river nicknamed River of Doubt by previous explorers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Roosevelt Catastrophe ensued. But that's another story and completely off topic. What I did like about Millard's work was the time she took dealing with a myriad of other topics, apart from Teddy Roosevelt. She went into the plate tectonics of the Amazon Basin, something I wasn't familiar with, the development of the Telegraph system in Brazil, some anthropology (I'm sure most of what was written at the time by the explorers was racist at best) and Brazil's humanist political movement that shaped Brazil's flag and politics for the 20th century. She does write quite a bit about botany, the intense competition for resources and methods of reproduction along with co-evolution of species. Something I didn't expect to find in a book ostensibly about Teddy Roosevelt. As someone once said about Eric Hansen's book 'Stranger in the Forest', 'River of Doubt' is a cracking good yarn. No orchids per se, but a cracking good yarn. A blend of excitement and science, what more could you ask for? K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
