[OGD] Christieara Sharifa Alsagoff
Iris, found this if it is any help to you. Renanstylis Alsagoff (Renanstylis Azimah x Rhy. gigantea) Photo of same. http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=ensl=jau=http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~PAPHIO-IN-OKINAWA/Listpart6.htmsa=Xoi=translateresnum=10ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3DVasco%2BViboon%2BVelvet%26start%3D50%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Mario A. Blanco Cost involved
Mario, to put in my 2 cents worth. I think your financial calculations are wrong. Just ask all the Commercial growers ( exporters ) of the Sophronitis, Cattleya etc family. Tens of thousands ( millions )of these plants are grown and sold around the world each year. To be correct under the new clasifications now operating and those proposed, each plant will have to be RE-named with the correct Grex and abbreviations. This will involve the searching for the new grex name through the RHS registry for every crossing in stock. This will also be required for re labelling of all the species involved, this also for all the other genera re-clasified. If this is not done then in some countries, authorities will not allow the plants to be exported, period. Of course, there is the time and man power required to do this research, organising the labels and then placing the labels in the pots. Then the minor, hahaha, task of updating stock systems, files, websites, catalogs etc, etc, etc to reflect these changes. Then its all out work to explain to their clients what the new names mean and that nothing has changed as far as the plants go, just the names. All because a few people with nothing better to do decided to stuff up a system that has been working well for the last 100+ years. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ned Nash on Hoosier
Ned, I agree with your comments fully with one comment. I believe that the general orchid buyers today can get orchids in flower from almost any department store ( the same here ) They don't have to look up Any specific business to buy one. Its not like the old days when anyone remotely interested in orchids would have to go to ( say Hoosiers ) to buy an orchid. As I see it, the same applies here as it does in the USA, the days when orchid growers in general grew something of everything from the minute botanical to specimen size cymbids. Many orchid growers today specialise in a few genera only, which limits sales and those who are still avid collectors are in very limited numbers. The range of genera available today is much greater than in the past for sure BUT, in my opinion, are not spectacular enough to be marketable on a large scale. Cymbidiums, Cattleyas, Phalaenopsis, Paphs and maybe one or two others are the most marketable plants to the average person in the street, where the money is. The problem with this is that imports of Phalys from Taiwan and more than likely in the near future, Paphs, to operate an orchid nursery and compete will be near impossible unless it is big enough to produce sufficient quantity at a price to make imported plants less warranted. What I am saying is that if you want to succeed, supply the most marketable but still try to provide for the collector. Find a better answer, faster with the new Yahoo!7 Search. www.yahoo7.com.au/search ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] OGD NOID Vanda
I had another look at the Ascocenda and I feel that it is a hybrid from Ascda Tubtim Velvet or one of its parents. It also fits in with Vasco Prapin White. I also found another pic of it in another website than those I found earlier but this one also had 10 other Ascdas on it that the name didn't appear in the RHS Register either. Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] NOID Vandas
This name chase is not unusual. I had a look on the net and found pictures of the plants in question in another forum posted by the grower??? and also in an picture posting site I've never seen before with different spelling of the names. I also came up with nothing in a search for details. As I said this is not unusual, I came across a website a while ago with some of the best Vandas Ascdas I've ever seen pictured with names. The names of these also don't register anywhere so what they actually are is anybodies guess. It appears that some Asian growers, nurseries like to give crosses names but never register them correctly. BTW, the plants you quote are delightful and I wouldn't mind them myself. Roy. Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Postings
Hopefully a simple question to answer for someone. Why are many of the postings currently appearing different languages?? Doesn't really matter to apart from the fact I can't read them, I thought there maybe something of interest in them. Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] (no subject)
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[OGD] RHS new orchid names
Today I needed to check the parentage of a Sophrolaeliocattleya for a friend who couldn't find it in the RHS search engine. To make a long story short, the RHS has adopted a submission from its advisory committee to accept the Grex name changes made to the Sophronitis and Laelia families. The first example, Slc Bright Angel is now Sc Bright Angel because the Laelia component of the cross has been changed to Sophronitis. The parent involved is or was, Sl Psyche = L cinnabarina x S coccinea. L cinnabarina is now a Sophronitis. Example 2. Since 1961 we had Bc Pastoral. ( Var Innocence ) the most common here and around the world I believe. Well, it is now know as Rhyncholaeliocattleya Pastoral. These types of changes appear to have taken place for ALL registrations from the year dot. One major problem is the there is NO cross reference in the search engine. If the grex has been changed it will not come up. Instead of taking seconds to research a name or cross it now could take forever if you don't know the new grex. I have yet to see published in any major Orchid publications, a full list of the new grex names with the names of the changed plants. Has anyone?? What happens with a Potinara.. I hate to think. What happens now to all the species books written and new growers looking for info on a certain species Laelia or Sophro under the new grexes, will they ever find them in a book, I doubt it. Roy - Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. Find out more. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] H R Nursery
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[OGD] Angraecums
Requesting advice on Angraecums. The advice required is Are Angraecums susceptible to virus/s of any sort what signs would the virus/s exhibit ? I have looked at as many books and web sites that I can find but nothing relates to this problem. Thanks, Roy. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Country Clubs Show
For the last 9 years, orchid clubs ( nownumbering 10 )throught the western half of Victoria Australia have come together, once a year, to put on an Ochid exhibition. This year it was held in the city of Horsham, sponsored by the Horsham District Orchid Society. The following url should take you to the results of that show. It comes via the Orchid Societies Council of Victoria website. Please have a look at the show results with photos and go through the website and have a look at just a part of the orchid scene in Victoria. url: www.oscov.asn.au/ccc/2006.htm On Yahoo!7 Great meals in less than 30 mins - Family Circle Sept out now ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] ebay warning
Hi all, the Nigerian Scammers are now into ebay in Australia. One we know of buys an item and offers a greater price than bought for on ebay and requests the item to be sent to Nigeria. The current one has been banned from ebay but ( we believe ) starts up again under a new name. The Australian address given does not exist, nor does the person. They are working on the buying at the moment and wont be long before the selling starts which means you will never see the item purchased. Investigate fully the seller before you buy. The scammers usually are signed up on only a very short time with ebay. Regards, Roy. On Yahoo!7 24: Watch it from 9.30pm on Thursdays on Seven___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re What is MTSSA
What you have is Miltassia ( Miltonia x Brassia ) Tha other part of the name is not complete either, it should read Miltassia Charles M Fitch, named after a renouned orchid identity in the USA. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cym Sue
Ron, the parents of Cym. Sue are C. Showgirl x Peter Pan. RHS website picked it up 1st time. Has been around for years. Some very nice blooms from them. Roy. Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database.___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re; Paph Kehler
The photo shown of paph Kehler looks very much like a plant known as Paph Harrisianum. There are two forms of this Paph shown here in Aust'. One is well know as P. Harrisianum " G S Ball" which is a dark maroon/brown maudiae type flower and the other is of the type in the photo which takes a P. villosum/insigne type of flower. I cant find a photo readily of this plant to show you but could be sort on further investigation. Hope this helps. Roy. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: Now with unlimited storage___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re : Laelias OGD
Looking at your reply I think I know what you are saying. My comment was not to degrade any plant or work being done. All I am looking at is the amount of plants grown around the world in various genera such as Paphs and Phals ( example only ) and maybe not correctly explaining the fact that there have been issues raised by experts over the naming or grouping of some of these plants for many years.Had these plants ( particularly Paphs ) not been used in breeding as much as they currently are, it wouldn't worry me at all BUT because they are being listed in the RHS Registrations as parents on a constant basis and with the variations in the species that some breeders appear to have, no-one can be sure in any way that the name is correct. All up, it means that you cannot rely on the names on the label, all you can do is make a guess at what the out come may be or if it be a remake of a successful previous crossing, hope you get something like them. This does not ensure these breeders will change their plant names but hopefully they use an actual picture of their plants so you/I can make the decision on names and to whether to purchase or not. To recap on the laelias, you are indeed correct with their influence in breeding, I have no problems with that. My criteria is for the extensive breeding usage and in many cases, the results. Some of the 'so-called' species being used vary greatly between breeders and same name crossings made by these breeders vary enough to say that one parent is incorrectly named. ie. crossings made with P.glaucophyllum moquettianum. What is shown as either plant clearly says they know not what they have. ROYSend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re More on Dockrillia
David, I have replied to your privatee-mail to me. Your posting on here with the same content shows you for what your are. You have even highlighted the fact that I asked for someone to help clarify the question of Den or Dockrillia, you have canned the organisation from where my information came from and basically abused me for stating what I thought to be correct and even to have the nerve to ask for clarification. Gee what would happen if someone said something you disagreed with. RoySend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re - Dockrillia
David, if you read my notes on this subject you will find that the change back, was as I understand it, a directive passed at an AOC meeting. I was informed of this by people who I thought should know. I can see quite clearly there is a difference in the plants. When I was given this info from the people delivering it, I had no though as to questioning it. That is why I asked if anyone on the list could help. But typically you want to play the "S/A" and bignote. If you cant answer a question or clarify something nicely, dont bother. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 304
If there happens to be anyone on the list that could clarify the issue of Dockrillia and Dendrobium as they stand in Australia on the list would they please do so. It seems that some cannot read a simple request for clarification. Maybe simple text is not good enough. Still, usually school children can read. RoySend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] DNA -based Tax
Peter, thank you for your posting on the list. This type of reply makes it worth while asking questions on this list. I fully understand what you have said. Sorting out large groups orchids is a good thing and is definitely required but it seems that some in the orchid world ( not on this list that I know of ) do only half a job and the rest goes in the " too hard " basket. They use their renown etc to bluff their way forward. A lot of work was done on the Aust' Nat' dends separating out some into the Dockrillia section. Down the track we find that this conclusion isnot quite rightand the plants have gone back to dendrobium. What interest me at present is the separation of the various Den. speciosum family. Den speciosum has been around so long and has been used so much in breeding over so many years, no-one will have the faintest idea whether a D.speciosum or D. scratchmybackianum was used in the past when if the name changes are accepted. Plus the 10's of thousands of plants spread around the world " which one do I have or is it a crossing of 2 or more different ones. I'm siding with Andy, leave the labels as they are for a number of years to see what happens. Cheers, Roy.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 303
To Paul, thanks for the Back-up. There has to be a point where common sense takes over. As for the judges at ANOS, I dont know many or all of them but to not judge an orchid because of an incorrect name is bad. If they had any mind at all they would have corrected the name for the exhibitor as a favour. Whether the grower keeps the name or not is another thing but atleast they have been informed. Some think they are just too good. Den. speciosum and varieties / forma / whatever is what most growers have them as and they will always be. Good stuff. Steve, as I understand it, the name " Dockrillia " in relation to the Aust Nat' ex dends, was dropped by the Australian Orchid Council at a meeting because of the relationship to the Dockrillia family in other countries was deemed too remote and to continue to call the ex Dends, Dockrillia was generally not acceptable. If Colin or someone from the AOC with more info cared to also reply, I would be happy to get the full story too. This change back happen a year or two back I think. Hopefully Steve we can both get the full story but thats as much as I can help with. Roy.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re; I beg to differ
Iris, as I said, each to their own. The world of orchids is huge, all I am saying is that the RHS registrations book is so full of false information regarding the parentage of plants as to the correct name of the species ( or hybrids ) used now, that surely one would have to think that research into the correct identification of those plants, particularly the more commonly grown plants World Wide, should be undertaken. You only have to look at the varied opinions of the Botanist Taxonomists around the world in various genera. Mostly a concensus is reached but much bad feeling is created ( ask Guido ) which leaves only the few with the ear of noteable organisations to give their final comment which is adopted. I presented the new name " Hoffmannseggella " to some orchid friends over the weekend and their comment was " What idiot gave it that name", These people have been in orchids as long if not longer than I, and thats over 40 years. Back to you. RoySend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Nitpickers
The name suits. I never used the word " Insignificant" and the Rupicolous laelias are far from Insignificant. The MAJOR problem I have is that there is a lot of work being done by people with too much time on their hands pushing and pulling plants in different groups or families or whatever rather than finding out if the plant is truly a species or a hybrid. This is the most important thing " in my opinion " ( please read other postings of mine on the subject ). I do think that any genuine species grower would really like to know that what they have is a species, don't you. Btw, if you had read other post of mine, you have to consider Phals, Paphs etc BECAUSE of the CROP plant issue, this is my whole point. The professional hybridist or amateur, should be ableto say thatthe speciesorchids they have bred with are genuine species and not hybrids. Wildcatt or the RHS will tell you what the parents are supposed to be and thats it.!!! RoySend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Note for Peter O'Byrne
Peter, I spent a couple of hours with Gerald McCraith on Sunday afternoon. At 96 years he hasjust received another batch of plants from Sth America. He is still going strong and said to say hello. I lost count of the number of plants that were "one off's" in Australia, and to the best part, very uncommon elsewhere. Anyway, Hello from Gerald. Roy.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 293
Re: Molecular Taxonomy / DNA etc, etc. I personally like the forma Rupicolous Laelias and having read this latest OGD and the proposed NEW name starting with "H" or if they remain in 'Soph', leaves me cold. These orchids are not overly well represented on the Australian show benches that I know of , list members in other states may say thet are, so be it, I still cannot believe that someone has probably spent a great deal of time and money using this new technology on a genus that does not have a great influence on the orchid world. One would have thought that the knowledgably folk doing this type of work, would have selected a genus that has a major role in world orchids. As an example, a survey was started on species Phalaenopsis. Travel was undertaken to the country of origin of the species to selected nurseries specialising in this genus. As I understand it, all of the so-called species phal's tested came up to be hybrids. Guido or someone may be able to add to this point. I believe that if this testing was done on the species paphs being sold today, many would probably give the same results, hybrids, particularly in the Brachypetalum and Cochlopetalum types. My point is that if Molec Tech/DNA testing is to be done, do it on a genus where the results will have an influence for the majority not the minority. Its like testing for why one person in 1,000,000 gets a wart on their nose. Lets try and get names that are grower friendly also please. RoySend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 290
Andy Guido, the discussion on Taxonomy, could either of you gentlemen ( or anyone else ) please explain to me how some, many or all of the ' rupicolous' laelias have now been classified as' sophronitis'. This has to be some sort of joke. Surely this is getting into the situation were some of the Australian nat' dends were changed to 'Dockrillia', fortunately some common sense has appeared and they have returned the Dendrobiums. I, like Andy will be leaving a lot of labels with the names most people know because, like fashion, it will all come back. RoySend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Aerides name
Peter, I recently had cause to question the currenly accepted name for what was known as Aerides fieldingii. I e-mailed the Registrar at the RHS and his reply was the " Roseum" was the accepted name in use at the RHS. Julian went into detail about masculine feminine, neuter? etc . The upshot is that Aerides roseum would be the name used in the registrations. Roy.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re; LPG heaters
To Ray, Paul Charles, many thanks for your messages. I will have to do a lot more reseach now as to locating the correct heater. There are one or two that I can find that should be ok now I know what to look for except their design may make it difficult to put in my house. Not too many makers available either, of specific glasshouse heaters here in Aus'. ( local anyway ) Thanks again, Roy. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] LPG heating
Hello all, info please on using LPG glass house heaters that do not have a flue. Would there be too much CO2 produced and would thus have a negative effect on the plants? I need to put some heating in and electricity is expensive and the only other option is bottled gas. Finding a suitable heater is also difficult. Roy Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ouch Andy
WOW, gee that hurt Andy ( NOT ). Any impact I have had OR wish to make is in the promotion of Orchids and Orchid growing. For the mulititude of people I have encouraged into orchids or helped them grow successfully, the orchids they already had and to see the success they are now having on the show bench is impact enough. BTW, many of these growers have actually purchased plants from me but I have NEVER refused to assist them in choosing good seedling crosses or mericlones from any other nursery ( except yours ) that had the potential to win on the showbench on their own merits. ie winning unassisted by the hybridiser/judge incharge of the panel or their associates. Indeed, some of my seedling cymbidium crosses have gained AOC awards and one well known grower in Sth Aust has gained many awards through the Cym Club. If your 'check up on me' was complete, you would have found that I am generally known around the traps as someone you could ask for help with most genera of orchids, if I dont know I make it my business to find out. Its amazing the people who have asked me for advice, even people better than you if thats possible. There are growers around that have a greater depth of knowledge in various genera than I and I respect that, even those with the 'mow-over' orchids, they are all equal on the showbench. Impact/success can be had in many ways, generally I prefer the quiet way until the giant ego of some gets to me. Good growing ( in the Ivory tower ) Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Andy in charge
Well, since it has been announced that Andy is involved with selection of the Judging panel for the Miami Conference, by the e-mails I have received from New Zealand over his last effort at the NZ Conference, I would think that there would be a great reluctance for anyone from NZ to send any plants. The basic comments seem to indicate that the Major prizes would go to Andy and his friend/s. It seems that its a "who you are" not a "what you have" situation. If the Authorities dont get you, Andy will. Good luck anyway. Roy. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Andys Proof
Well Andy, dealing in factsis not one of your great points. I am not a minor hobby grower and haven't been for many years. The fact that I don't spread BS advertising around doesn't mean that I am not known. Yes, I am a Judge and unfortunately wasn't in attendance at the Perth show to enjoy disqualifying your plant. Your statement about the said plant only goes to prove how low you are. If anyone wishes to continue discussing plants etc with you is to their own peril. We have unfortunately met on one occasion and to this day still hold the same opinion of you that I formed then. "BS artist of the first order." The three Gentlemen that you mentioned I have dealt with in variousways for many years and to have your name used in the same breath with these Gentlemen, to me, is an insult to them. These gentlemen have, in plain terms, "Respect" in the orchid world. In mentioning spelling, the word "respect" doesn't seem to be in your vocabulary or dictionary, nor does the word, "Honesty". If you have to cheat to win prizes then it tends to show that your plants aren't what you make them out to be. ROY Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Good ol' Andy
To the people who dont know of Andys orchid exploits in the Shakey Isles (NZ)His great triumph was to breed lovely PENDULOUS spiked cymbidiums and when they flowered, stake them STRAIGHT UP so that when the poor hobbiest bought them thinking thats the way they flowered found that they didn't. His excuse was that they were easier to transport. This is true but he forgot to mention this in his advertising. If anything, Andy created ways to market orchids that no true orchid lover would ever contemplate. I would actually like to know how much it cost him to have his infamous cym Gladys Whitesall " The Charmer" to win the World Orchid conference. I'm sorry Andy, your knowledge is probably extensive due to the places you have worked but all this is to no avail as it seems all of it is being used to climb a ladder. Unfortunately the ladder leads to a bucket of natural fertilzer. Your self imposed pedistal of grandeur is all BS and someone with the experience and deemed position in the orchid world should have you in demand for clinical advice and be trusted in comment. The whole deal is questionable about any knowledge or qualifications that you or anyone else expresses about you.Its a shame that more people dont have a builtin BS detector, if they did you would be on the soup line. Roy Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re; Phickle Phrags
Iris, you are not alone in trying to understand what name is correct for many species. Dr Guido Braem and Sandy Ohlund have just published an article in the Australian Orchid Review on Phrags with incorrect names. It seems that the mix up was due to a poor translation into english from german. The Phrags in question relate to Phrag caudatum, warszewiczianum humboldtii. It seems that there is a need for a change in the names of the later two. This will confuse the stud book even further with all there progeny requiring name changes too. In future articles there will be more evidence given/shown to prove this point. The survey of the Phrag genus has not yet been finished by a long way and I would think that more alterations may be needed. Your problem with Phrag Olaf Gruss is also mine and many others as I/we have many of these plants, some of which have been awarded. The key point is to do nothing including changing the label. The powers to be have to make up their minds to clarify once and for all, what name these orchids will be known by. THEN, alter the register to correct the names of their progeny. Until then, choose the name you like best and stick with that. ROY - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] orchid Digest Vol 6 Issue 409
Viateur, two messages adding to my comment about Odont crispum, one by Iris ( mess' 2) the other by Dennis (mes' 6) say it all. I don't know where your coming from with these varieties of crispum. The facts are that line breeding of ANY genera creates superior flowers. As Dennis comments, the RHS paintings of collected Odont crispum compared to the line bred crispum, which you must have seen in the awards books from the USA and other countries, cannot compete. The references you ask about are all over the world in photos on the web, awards books, catalogs, show benches. Sorry if you have missed them. A close friend of mine has been breeding Odontoglossums ( including crispum ) for over 50 ( fifty ) years now and has produced some of the best clones ever to flower. If you are up with species grower his name may ring a bell. Gerald McCraith. By the way, have a look at the line breeding done with ( for simplicity ) VANDA sanderiana. If you compare todays flowers with wild collected ones, do yourself a favour and have a look. ROY - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re. species
Les Ann, you are on the right track. Sarc hartmannii x hartmannii remains a species, as does Soph coccinea x coccinea. Any species crossed with itself or two different clones of the SAME species are mated, continue to be species. One may question this to remain so when you look at the difference in flower quality in Odm crispum of today and a plant from the wild. The genuine plant from the wild is one of the worst flowers you could see for an Odont whereas the clones of today have the equal or better shape than some of the best hybrids. This of course is done by selective breeding over a long period of time. As suggested by many, ' we are improving on nature rather than wait for nature to do it.' I always ask how far we can go before we have actually created a hybrid? ROY - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] good show
Colin, you present your title perfectly. - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] BIG WIGS
Reading thru the posting on this list over the last year or two, the personal attacks and organisation knocking and the general mudslinging really degrades this list and the members involved. I, like most other members, I would think, joined to learn something or be able to help others in their orchid growing. This, I'm affraid seems to have gone by the wayside. Lets please get back to it! As far as BIG WIGS or VIP's in the orchid world, there are NO SUCH PEOPLE. Orchids are one of the greatest levelers in the world. These so called big wig/vips are generally people with lots of money /or good PR people behind them. If it is thought it is because of their orchid culture skills, don't be fooled, many of them baffle with bullS' or do the big CON job. They tend to succeed because they cater for the new comer. There are many hobbiests in all countries that could run rings around these people but refuse to do the PR thing and just help out in a quiet, unassuming manner. More than likely they offer better advise anyway. The problem with many large orchid institutions like the AOS to a lesser extent the AOC ( Australian Orchid Council ) think that they are indispensible but they are not! Orchids have been grown successfully before them and will be grown long after they're are gone. They are only there because WE allow the BIG SHOTS/VIP's to operate within these areas. When its all boiled down, the question arises, Do we really need them?? ROY - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Dr Braem leaving
Kenneth, to loose the knowledge of Dr Braem from the list is indeed a great loss. Given the reasons and to the extent and content of the messages sent and received over recent times, I feel that there should be half a dozen others leaving as well. Particularly for the reasons that those prevoking the heated debates etc have yet to provide ANY credible information or discussion to the list. As you noted, Dr. Braem has the score on the board for knowledge and publications. Those on the other side have yet to prove they have any actual knowledge in any thing, let alone orchids. I, for one, put it too those applauding Dr. Braems departure, though I accept the wording of some of the message may offend many to cause this applause, PUT UP or SHUT UP, start putting your knowledge to the test. I think that this may be too much to ask. Those that speak the loudest usually have the least to offer. ROY - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] hybrids
Guido, as a follow up to your last note and for those Aussies of on the list who may remember a cymbidium cross done in the 60's by Dos Pueblos Aust', C. Joyce Duncan. This cross produced many classic Green cyms ( for the time ) that were awarded and acclaimed for years. The parent are : Nicky 'Ku-ringai' x York Meredith. My father and I purchased pieces of both plants from Dos Pueblos in order to continue producing these great greens. (The plants were genuine by name and flower.) We crossed these ( both ways ) and sold and flowered ( along with many others )many hundreds of the resultant seedlings. The only similarity between the ? original Joyce Duncans and ours was that they were Green Cyms. All other features did not compare in any way. Therefore, if a remake of a cross is to be done, it will be a remake of a cross that I have done myself. I know variations from the original will occur but not the extent above. The problem is that there are some remakes in Paphs that one desires because of what has been produced in the past and unfortunately, one must purchase them in the hope that it may be correct. ROY - Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
