[OGD] Mutated vandaceous plant
Hi, Nancy... Our suggestion would be to contact the vendor and let them know about it. Mutations do occur in meristem populations -- this may be a problem with all the plants in that "batch", or it may be isolated. The vendor may be willing to replace it for you. Julie R.F. Orchids ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Newsletters
Can anyone point me to where i may find Electronic orchid newsletters or be able to send me some i like reading about orchids from around the world. Many Thanks for any assistance Les. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re nurseries and mass produced imports
Ok, I will never buy another plant grown in Taiwan and shiiped over to the US again. We just had a terrible time with our Phal. house. We had to throw out over $40,000.00 worth of plants. It all started when I went to the World Orchid Congress and bought some Phal. species from one of the Taiwanese vendors. The plants looked a little strange but I attributed it to the fact that it was January and plants might not travel that well during winter. I brought the plants home and after a couple of days I lost one or two. then another few days and I lost another and so on. The leaves just dropped off and had a watery look to them. I was quite busy at that time and within a couple of weeks suddenly it was showing up everywhere in an area around those Phals from Taiwan. We tried spraying with Physan but Physan is only good for surface contact. It did work at slowing down the problem but not controlling it entirely. We then tried Phyton 27 which seemed to help and did arrest the problem in some plants. We were still having outbreaks of this disease so I sent some samples off to the University of Minnesota and they did a lot of research on these plants for me. It was pseudomonas! Not just the common variety either. They said that they hadn't seen such a fast growing bacteria that could be seen swimming rather quickly from cell to cell. The U also said that they hadn't seen such a large number of bacteria particles invading each cell. They suggested I throw the plants and bleach the benches. We did some treatments and I was getting a bit frantic about losing my collection. As it is we lost a lot of product and my breeding program for species and hybrids in Phalaenopsis and a few other genera was really set back. Finally I read about a new product that goes into the plant and kills bacteria, fungi AND VIRUS!! I am now testing the product and it is working. We have seen streaked virus leaves in old breeding plants begin to loose their streaking and the new leaves are absolutely clean! Once I have completed my testing with some scientific evidence I will announce our results. I am always a sceptic about virus claims but this would be terrific news. So, do some of you commercial folks out there remember when the USDA sent us surveys about how what we thought about Taiwanese growers bringing in plants in pot with potting medium? Most of the US growers were against it. The Hawaiian growers tried to sue the USDA but did it in Washington rather than in Hawaii so they lost the suit. We all knew this was a trade deal and the Taiwanese pushed it through. The USDA just thought our arguments silly and that there was no problem with bringing in plants in containers in pot. It is well known that Taiwanese growers use a lot of antibiotics to control bacteria but all this does is create super strains that are hard to control. I see customers quite often bring in infected plants that have the same thing and sure enough they are planted in moss and they are directly from Taiwan. Moss isn't a bad media but when the plants come potted that way who knows what lurks down in the root system? In addition the Taiwanese get tremendous government support and in some cases direct subsidies. The Taiwanese government in one case I know of has built this whole complex for growing and shipping the plants in a huge factory like situation complete with subsidized housing for the workers. Consider what happened in Britain when the EU rammed down the throats of English farmers that they would have to accept cattle into the country being imported from Argentina often through the EU . Look what happened! Mad cow disease, hoof and Mouth and tuberculosis have now destroyed entire herds that took generations to develop. The British cow industry was really the best there was in the world and now it is just a shadow of what it was. Some of the Brits I have spoken to think that the whole thing was a conspiracy to destroy British herds thereby requiring more imported animals to take up the slack. Now we here at Orchids Limited do ship orchids to foreign countries but we always have very rigorous inspections and requirements for export. I am not against trade but I do want it to be fair. I think what would have been fair to the US growers would have been that our concerns would have been listened to and that at the very least Taiwan should have reciprocated and allowed us to send plants to Taiwan in potting media as well. It would have been fair if our government had helped us build nurseries, worker housing and distribution centers. From now on we are going to create our own species with our own breeding stock or buy from other American growers who do have not bought in to the Taiwan deal. Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [
[OGD] In Memory of Maria Teresa Fighetti
forwarded from AOS.org In Memory of Maria Teresa Fighetti As many of you are aware, Carlos Fighetti, president of the AOS, lost his wife to a tragic heart attack over the weekend. On behalf of the entire membership, we wish to express our condolences and sympathies to Carlos and his children on the sudden passing of such a wonderful person. Everyone is shocked by the loss of Maria Teresa Fighetti, a dedicated wife, person and friend. I have been asked to convey that there will be a private funeral service. A Memorial Mass will be celebrated at the University of the Sacred Heart Catholic Church on July 11. Carlos and his family have been deeply touched by the outpouring of condolences. Carlos has asked that anyone wishing to express his or her sympathies might consider making a donation to the Heritage Collection of the American Orchid Society. Tere was impressed with the idea of preserving the special orchid species and hybrids that are the foundation of our hobby and commercial businesses. A donation in Tere's name would be a lasting way to remember a gracious person who, through her patience and understanding, gave us her husband and friend to lead the revitalization of the AOS. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Anguloa clowesii
Aloha ODG, I was on the judging team that awarded this plant. It was a spectacular specimen, very well grown in a seven gallon pot with psuedobulbs seeming to be the size of large grapefruit. We obviously did notice that 14 of the inflorescences had more than one flower. We questioned why, because usually there is only one flower per. Doing our research we noted that in 1984 at a show in Caracas, there was an award given to the clone 'Gabriella Sucre' that also had more flowers per inflorescence. The award description reads: "Fourteen flowers and eight buds on twenty inflorescence: ..." The obvious answer to why this clone had more than one flower per was the excellent culture, thus the CCE/AOS. You can see a picture of the plant in flower at: http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-84809424749559_2009_17966188 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Orchids Digest, Article on Miltonia/Miltoniopsis
In Susan Taylor's article on Miltonia/Miltoniopsis she states, "In researching this article I was amazed that so few nurseries are selling these beautiful orchids. Santa Barbara Orchid Estates and Porter's Orchids have a few, but your best bet is to go to one of the many Spring Orchid Shows where there are almost always some of these outstanding orchids." What many people overlook, probably because they don't think of Hawaii as a haven for Miltonias, is that we have one of the premier Miltonia/Miltoniopsis breeders. Ivan Komoda has won numerous merit awards and has also won the Riopelle Award for best Miltonia three times. His breeding has also garnered the Riopelle Award for other growers. You can get many cutting edge hybrids from him anytime. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Photos of orchids in the field
Jim, are you looking for species or hybrids? We have a lot of orchids -- both epiphytic and terrestrial -- established in the gardens here at the nursery. Julie R.F. Orchids ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] What does the award AM/CST stand for?
A friend sent a question to me about an award I have never seen -- AM/CST. Has anyone seen this before and do you know where it is awarded? Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Peter Croezens comments on CITES
Peter, You keep bringing up kovachii again and again. You might as well bring up all of the other orchid species too that have been over-exploited through illegal trade.This will and has become an issue that has moved on as many art prop seedlings of species and hybrids from these species are now available. As in all elements of society there is always the case where some may do things in an improper way. It is in fact a matter of trust and coming up with a system that says no to any wild plants for export and yes to all seed grown art prop varieties. The American Orchid Society and other organizations can have direct input or influence to the convention as we are Non Government Organizations. I have done this before as president of the Commercial Orchid Growers Guild in the mid 1990's. It is true that we have no voting rights but CITES officials can and do consider the concerns of the people that are being regulated. Being that CITES was conceived as an institution under the UN ( a democratic organization) it is incumbent upon CITES officials to consider the effect their regulations have on the people who are being regulated. I believe that CITES officials have done this and try to evaluate and understand what is happening in the commercial orchid growing world. My proposal is just trying to say that those nurseries that are doing the right thing in the Artificial propagation of orchids should simply be certified and allowed to trade without an onerous process. Safeguards can be put in place that will help catch those that deal in illegal, wild specimens. I am sure Peter O'Byrne has more knowledge about the CITES treaty than most but quite honestly I think he often makes sweeping statements about the treaty that are not entirely based on what the treaty or its documents really says or what the spirit of the treaty really is. Is the treaty entirely right or perfect? Of course not. It is and always will be something which evolves over time. There are many things that I and others disagree with in regards to the treaty. One thing I think most agree with is protecting wild plants and animals form over-exploitation. I point again to the document CoP 14 Doc. 30 http://www.cites.org/eng/cop/14/doc/E14-30.pdf Which brings into question the effectiveness of reporting on trade in artificially propagated specimens. Read it carefully for there you can begin to see that there is some question about whether art prop specimen trade reporting is really a valid use of resources and brings in to question what benefit there might be for wild flora from this reporting. Although the CITES secretariat has a responsibility to uphold, I do believe that if enough member nations would ask that truly art prop plants be exempted from CITES then it could happen under the same or modified proposal which I have suggested. I also encourage people to read the CITES strategic plan for 2008-2013 http://www.cites.org/eng/com/SC/54/E54-06-1.pdf which not only discusses trade in WILD plants and animals but also discusses understanding cultures, promoting conservation, benefiting indigenous people, using money from regulatory fees to benefit local conservation etc. CITES role is beginning to take on new meaning and can and will effect habitat conservation and bio-diversity loss one way or another even if indirect. This strategic plan seems to say that trade in wild specimens to some degree can be allowed as it is now. It also says that it can bring benefit to local people. That is fine and then I would agree that regulation of trade in Wild specimens with proper permits and government over-sight is required. What I disagree with is requiring permits for plants that are artificially propagated. My proposal is an attempt to simplify the system by not allowing trade in any wild specimens. Once they are art prop let them go. I do believe it would be better for countries to encourage the development of art prop nurseries for the production of orchid species rather than to allow wild collection and export. Finally I would like to say that my goal is to change the way CITES works in regards to art prop plants and that is all. If you, Peter O'Byrne or others can't see beyond the treaty as it exists or see the implications for the future then I think growers will always be trapped in distrust and will (as they are now) be limited in the ability to grow and survive. Working together for a positive solution is what is really required. Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Peter O'Byrnes comments on my CITES proposal
1) The proposal is addressed to anyone that has an interest in the hobby or commercial trade. Of course the management Authorities and CITES officials are two different groups but often officials within the management authorities sit on CITES committees. My complaints have to do with the entire system world wide. Let me ask you Peter, how many countries have you shipped orchids to on a commercial basis? Do you really know and understand all of the regulations in regards to exporting and importing form each countries point of view. Do you understand how much confusion there is country to country or how much time it takes to comply with these regulations? If the answer is that you haven't done those things then I suggest that you do not comment about something you know nothing about. 2) I am putting no spin on anything and if anything you are putting a spin on my proposal. Look at the mission statement again closely will you: http://www.cites.org/eng/com/SC/54/E54-06-1.pdf do you see where it says right at the top "Convention on international trade in endangered species of wild flora and fauna" ? Remember the world WILD please! Now look at the report on trade in artificially propagated plants here: http://www.cites.org/eng/cop/14/doc/E14-30.pdf . If you read through it you will see that in vitro cultures or seedlings of orchids whether they are species or hybrids are exempt from CITES regulations. You will also see that certain hybrids of Dendrobiums, Vandas, Phalaenopsis, cymbidiums and i believe now includes Cattleyas and Oncidiae intergeneric hybrids. These are exempt from CITES regulations as well under some tr. PLEASE read the rationale section on page 2 which already hints that "trade in various plant taxa has shifted away from wild collected specimens and today consists to an overwhelming proportion of artificially propagated specimens, often even improved for cultivation purposes by selection or altered by hybridization, and mass-produced on an industrial scale through the application of modern techniques (meristemming)." Read section 9 as well that talks about the effectiveness of such activities as reporting by the parties on all of the trade in art prop plants and what benefit there is from this to the conservation of WILD flora. As you can see, CITES are already thinking about changing things for the better and all I am trying to do is encourage them along. INDEED CITES PURPOSE IS TO REGULATE TRADE IN WILD SPECIMENS OF FLORA AND FAUNA ! What you are stating is that CITES wants to squeeze international trade and you specifically point me out as an example. To be honest though CITES really wants to squeeze trade in Wild specimens not artificially propagated ones. That does not mean me as I do not trade in wild plants and haven't for some time now. There is no need as we can produce or acquire seed raised plants. The SQUEEZE, as you call it is unfortunately being put on producers of artificially propagated plants as well as traders in wild specimens. There needs to be a distinction and a separation of the two. That is what my proposal is about. Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re CITES
I thought it might be of interest to the group to visit the CITES web site http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/fund.shtml and read about the funding of this organization. It is pretty much a joke. Many countries pay nothing or little at all and many are far behind in payments, some since the early 90's. The US is the largest contributor spending over 1,000,000.00 per year. The US holds the whole thing up. Of course this does not include the large amount of spending each government must do within its own country to comply with the treaty. I do believe in the main concepts of the treaty but feel they are totally misguided when it comes to nurseries and artificially propagated plants. Jerry, Orchids Limited Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re legal or?
I have been reading the posts on CITES plants with great interest. The first paragraph on the 'What is CITES" home page states >"CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species >of Wild Fauna and Flora) is an international agreement between >governments. Its aim is to ensure that international trade in >specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival" Cites for Orchids has mostly degenerated into regulation of plants that are artificially propagated, grown and produced by nurseries. The job of CITES officials should only be to regulate trade of wild specimens (plants) only. It is important to protect wild populations but the control and over regulation of truly art prop plants has become a burden to all involved in the business and hobby of orchid growing. I have written a new CITES proposal which is posted on my website here: http://www.orchidweb.com/cites_orchids.aspx . This proposal really does address the problems of CITES and artificially propagated plants. The American Orchid Society is considering this proposal and It is being considered by other Orchid groups throughout the world. If you have a chance please read it and comment on it on the forum or directly on my site. I need letters of support to show there is an interest in the problem and correcting it. Best regards, Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re unusual e-mail
It seems that someone has taken my e-mail address and is using it to send out unauthorized messages. All of our security settings are in full force so we don't know why this is happening. We will try and figure this out as soon as possible. Our apologies for any offensive e-mails that may be being sent. If anyone has a suggestion or idea as to why this is happening let me know Jerry, Orchids Limited. Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re peter O'Byrnes post/ Revolutionary CITES proposal
Peter, Thanks for you comments again. I have outlined in bold some responses. In your OGD V9 #213 response to the other Peter, you said: "The vietnamese (Paphiopedilum) species are now so prevalent due to flasked seedling trade that the threat to the wild populations (what is left) is greatly reduced from plant collectors." and "Getting the plants into cultivation as quickly as possible through seed production is the best means to prevent species loss from exploitation." Sorry, but I have to disagree. In Central Vietnam in April this year, street-traders offered me illegally-collected flowering-size specimens of P. callosum for 15,000 VnD (about US$ 0.90). The traders clearly didn't value them much ... they were asking 5 times as much for Dendrobium amabile in full bloom. This was "tourist" price ... to a local, the asking price would have been much lower, maybe one-tenth as much. Also, this was "asking price" ... I didn't haggle to find out what the "selling" price would have been. And I didn't buy anything, either. My perspective, living in this part of the world, is totally different to yours. I see an increase in the threat to wild populations from commercial collectors, not a reduction. Orchid-growing has always been popular in Asia, and as people become more affluent, more and more are starting to grow orchids ... and then they get hooked and expand their collections, just like people do in the US. These people also travel more and buy more orchids to take home. In the last decade there has been a staggering increase in Asian affluence (eg China's economic miracle), and a corresponding staggering increase intra-regional tourism. This has created markets for orchid-sales where none existed a decade ago. Orchid-selling is booming. As you travel around the region, you see roadside stalls selling orchids. A decade ago these stalls were run by local farmers for selling their farm produce. Nowadays they supplement their farm-produce income by selling wild-collected orchids to the tourists. Peter, My point had to do more with exports. What happens in a particular country has to do with that country's own government and the education of it's people. Paph. callosum is no longer needed or required here in the west at least. I remember back in 1978 and 79 I used to import this plant from Thailand. The price I paid then was around 30 to 50 cents each. Today we produce all we want from seed, most from select clones from those early imports I made. The point is that demand for wild collected plants is really non existent when there are supplies of readily available, superior varieties at least here in the states, Europe, Taiwan and Japan. I keep hearing these reports of people selling thousands of niveum or callosum every year. This has gone on since the 1960's yet somehow there seems to be more plants available. Perhaps the traders didn't value the callosums much because they were so abundant in nature? Or because there wasn't much demand for them? I have traveled to your part of the world a few times. I understand what you are saying about the affluence, the economic boom etc. but it is all a matter of will power, education and most importantly solving poverty issues. Poverty drives many people to deforest land for monetary gain or food. Utilizing any resources at all is most important to these peoples survival. Ultimately the question goes to population and how to elevate peoples income in a way that is not necessarily exploitive of fragile resources like forests and all that is within them. I'm afraid that Art. Prop. plants provide no competition. Not only are they far more expensive (can you offer flowering-size P. callosum for less than 90 US cents ?), but they are not available in most of the places where these tourists actually buy orchids. My focus is on approved legal trade in ART PROP specimens. The ever-increasing publicity surrounding orchids actually makes more people want them. Your Art. Prop. actually encourages people to buy orchids, thereby making things worse. And yes, the books and articles I write have exactly the same result. People are using my "A to Z" book as a shopping aid ... they show the book to the locals on the roadside stalls and say "do you have this one "? While I sympathise with your desires (I have nothing against the free trade of Art. Prop. orchids), they don't seem very relevant to the situation that I see all around me. In your response to me, you said: "require that all nurseries in any signatory country to be certified for art prop export. The various countries could in fact certify the nurseries under an overall umbrella or process overseen by CITES but CITES would be the registrar in the end." Jerry, this is pie-in-the-sky. Other than Singapore, I cannot think of a single tropical 3rd-world countrie
[OGD] Articles Stanhopea
Can anyone please help me with any articles on Stanhopea's It would be very much appreciated Cheers Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Peter croezens comments regarding flasked seedlings
Peter, Thanks for pointing out a slight flaw in my proposal. I shall amend it. What I was getting at is this, flasks are traded all over the world right now of all types of Paph. species and hybrids. Border authorities who inspect the shipments let all flasked seedlings in and don't question whether the parents were legal or not. In your own country of Canada there are lots of plants of vietnamese species and hybrids including helenae, hangianum, vietnamense etc. These have been showing up at meetings and in shows. This is happening not only in Canada but here in the US and throughout the E.U. There are now tens of thousands of these plants around. Let me give you a couple hypothetical situations. Suppose someone in Peru has legal plants of any appendix 1 Paph. or Phrag. species and they produce x number of seedlings for export. What if they produce plants from seed that were not from legal approved plants? How can one tell that a Paph. rothschildianum flask for instance was produced from legal or illegal parents? Because Paph. rothschildianum is so common in trade and have been around for many years I don't think anyone will trouble themselves trying to figure out whether the seedlings in the flask were from legal parents or not. So it is conceivable that someone in Malaysia or any far eastern country could have legal plants of rothschildianum but if they were unscrupulous they could go into the wild and collect seed, germinate it and send it out. The vietnamese species are now so prevalent due to flasked seedling trade that the threat to the wild populations (what is left) is greatly reduced from plant collectors. The threat then moves to climate change or land conversion. It is my hope that the land is left alone and that new seedlings that were ungerminated can regenerate the population. The Taiwanese nurseries in the beginning produced the majority of these flasks and when I did ask the questions I was told they were from legal parents that had permits. the Vietnamese management authority has claimed that no permits were ever issued to their knowledge. Now these plants are being and have been reproduced in many hybrids and in sib crosses of the species. We are now seeing second, third and fourth generations of some of these plants. When does one say enough is enough? the only way one could track legal plants is to put genetic markers in them and then if they came into question one could tell I suppose if the genetic research was done. Who would pay for all of that? In 10 or 15 years will anyone care about Phrag. kovachii as to whether any plants around were produced from legal seedlings? No, because it would be common knowledge that all the plants in trade were from legal sources. The point is several generations out it really doesn't make any difference. Getting the plants into cultivation as quickly as possible through seed production is the best means to prevent species loss from exploitation, land conversion or climate change. Being that the system that is place doesn't work now we should just forget about trying to regulate flasks. It can't be done. Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE Revolutionary Cites proposal comments Peter O'Byrne
Thanks Peter for your comments and suggestions. I will try and clarify what I mean a little better. I was at the 1994 plants committee meeting is San Miguel de'Allende in Mexico when the whole nursery registration proposal came up. As the president of the Commercial Orchid Growers Guild at the time we were very much against nursery registration because CITES wanted to require nurseries to report annually on how many plants were sold, how many had died, how many were produced etc. We were very much against registration at the time because we simply don't have time to deal with the record keeping that was being proposed. The registration process is not quite like that now but does require a lot of work. In my case it took over 250 hours to complete my permit. Nursery registration does not change the amount of paperwork required with each shipment nor does it prevent countries or trading states like the E.U. from requiring onerous import permits. What I am talking about really is once a nursery is certified let those truly art prop plants trade without a CITES permit altogether. All that would be needed is a CERTIFICATION stamp or number to travel with the plants. The permits themselves are a nightmare and require dozens of hours to prepare. While I appreciate the concept behind the CITES nursery registration program it doesn't go far enough. We in the U.S have a master permit requirement now which my own nursery Orchids Limited has complied with. This master permit is in fact a nursery registration. It precisely follows the guidelines of the registration requirements as explained in conf. 9.19 http://www.cites.org/eng/res/all/09/E09-19R13.pdf . The point is that the process of exporting is worse not better because of this. We must for instance list species involved in each hybrid and if we are not already approved for exporting a particular hybrid on our master list then we must be approved for the species that go into making that hybrid. This takes lots of time as you can imagine! I have to chuckle when I am exporting a division of say a Paph. F.C. Puddle, a hybrid made near the beginning of the 20th century. Many orders may contain only one of each type of hybrid so this kind of reporting for each shipment really does not make it a viable business situation. What I am asking for is that instead of leaving it up to the various countries to register their nurseries make it rather a certification process with CITES as the registrar. You can call it registration if you want to but require that all nurseries in any signatory country to be certified for art prop export. The various countries could in fact certify the nurseries under an overall umbrella or process overseen by CITES but CITES would be the registrar in the end. Once the nursery is certified let those truly art prop plants go into trade without further (complicated) permits. What I am really saying is remove all art prop Orchids from the appendices and let them be traded. The treaty is designed to protect wild populations. Let's do so now. Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Revolutionary CITES proposal for nursery certification.
If possible It would be nice to keep this post up for one week to allow people to see it and comment. CITES proposal for nursery certification, By Jerry Lee Fischer 07,01,07 To all interested in the subject of Orchid species and hybrids as imports or exports, Recent changes in CITES requirements have made it difficult for nurseries, and hobbyists alike to not only import plants from foreign countries directly but even acquire them from nurseries in the country in which hobbyists and professional growers live. In the US for example the requirements are that a nursery must now have a master permit. Every plant to be exported whether it is a species or hybrid must be approved by the US Fish and Wildlife authorities with information on the propagation methods (whether from seed, cuttings or cloning techniques) if not then whom the plants were purchased from with receipts, pot sizes of plants in stock, annual production, number of plants to be exported each year, whether parental stock is maintained and how many, from seed or cuttings etc. and number of years in production. Imagine filling out such a permit (in my case it took 250 hours) and then imagine it taking 9 months to a year to get it. The idea is that once you get this permit single issue copies are purchased in advance and the nursery owner can fill them out when orders are received and ship them out rather quickly compared to the old system of waiting 3-6 months for a single use permit. In the mean time orders cannot be processed and commercial growers are put in situation of economic hardship. Adding any new plants to your permit requires all the same detailed information, costs a lot and there is no guarantee that the permits will arrive in a timely manner. Several US growers have given up on exports and many more will follow suit. Hybrids have become another problem, as one has to either be approved for specific hybrids on the master permit or have to be approved for specific species that make up the hybrid. At the moment you have to list on your permit the species that make up the hybrids that you want to export. This takes a great deal of time and is really counterproductive. It often requires 20 to 35 hours to complete a permit. The US Fish and Wildlife service has come up with a way of amending your permit to accept hybrids but it still requires reporting and is limited to certain hybrids. The various countries management authorities and CITES officials are, I believe unaware of the great advances in the laboratory production of orchids that have taken place within the past few years. Nurseries are now able to reproduce in reasonable numbers those plants that were once considered difficult or even impossible to produce. The continued over-regulation of artificially propagated plants and the nurseries that produce them is in my opinion a complete waste of CITES resources. The entire reason CITES was created in the first place was to protect wild populations of living organisms that were threatened by trade. This is what it says in the first paragraph on <http://www.cites.org/>www.cites.org home page, CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) is an international agreement between governments. Its aim is to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival. If anything the rapid artificial production and propagation of orchid plants helps to ensure that wild stock will remain where it is. Many of our nurseries are really no longer trading in wild stock at all. Why over-regulate it? Recent examples of how things have changed can be found in PERU where no wild collecting for export is allowed. All plants must now be produced at the approved nurseries from seed or division of established stock. Phragmipedium kovachii would never have been allowed for export legally except for the work of serious nursery owners and the Peruvian government. By allowing a few plants to be collected and used for seed propagation via tissue culture these plants are now all over the world and the demand for wild plants no longer exists. Other countries like Ecuador and Brazil are following suit. If continued restriction and over-regulation continues in its present state there will be less and less plants available and eventually the hobby itself will be threatened. Orchid Societies memberships would begin to decline, as there would be no new plant material for hobbyists to be interested in. Nurseries interested in growing and exporting species or hybrids have already declined in The US and other parts of the globe. The process or acquiring export permits has become so onerous that some nurseries have chosen to give up their export business. Many without the ability to export will not survive. There is an important synergy between Orchid Societies, hobbyis
[OGD] Many Thanks
Many Thanks to all for the great Stanhopea Websites your assistance was greatly appreciated. Many Thanks Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Stanhopea Websites
Does anyone know of any good Stanhopea websites available please. Many Thanks Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Eulophia euglossa
I won one of these little South African terrestrials at the plant raffle last week and can't seem to find much of anything about how to grow it. Does anyone have any experience with them? Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re photo use and ebay
Eric and others, Here is a good link to intellectual property rights called the Berne convention: http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html It is my personal opinion that ebay should be shut down for all plant sales. I have had many of my pictures stolen by ebay sellers, in fact they have often put their copyright right on top of my photos! ebay is very unresponsive and actually does very little about problems like this. They make the process difficult and time consuming, often people just give up dealing with them after a while. There are other reasons I think e-bay should be shut down for all plant sales. First of all does everyone know out there that the sales of plant material across borders are regulated by the various states departments of agriculture? Once plants are sold and move across state lines it is illegal unless your business ( if you sell plants you are a business) is regulated ( registered or certified) by the department of agriculture in the state the plants are grown in or shipped from. Many ebay sellers don't have these certificates or aren't regulated. There are fees involved and this is one of the things that separate a professional company from an amateur hobby type business. Does everyone think it is fair that we have to pay these fees to be in business and a back-yarder or basement grower does not? As a professional nurseryman who has been in this business since 1978 I think that ebay should at the very least be sure that sellers of any plant material be registered and or certified with the Dept. of agriculture in their states. In addiiton, e-bay should also certify that these folks are bonafide businesses with Tax Id numbers and resale certificates. I can tell you horror stories of illegal orchid plants being shipped from foreign countries. Just a couple of years ago our state (Minnesota) dept. of Agriculture had to shut down an e-bay seller who was selling Hostas that had a new kind of virus (from Holland) not known in the states before. The seller was selling these Hostas as novelty plants with "unique" foliage. This was a hobbyist type grower/re-seller. I believe that if you are going to sell and ship orchids or other plants across state lines then you are a business and should be subject to the same requirements and regulations (and costs) as any other professional nursery would. Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N. Plymouth, Minnesota 55446 USA Toll-free: 1-800-669-6006 Local: 763-559-6425 Fax: 763-557-6956 Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re 19WOC and CITES
The problem really is that if a person from the EU wants to purchase plants at the 19thWOC they have to have an import permit in advance from their countries management authority. This means they have to know exactly what they want to purchase well in advance of the WOC. Many other countries also require import permits and this all takes time. It is truly time for CITES reform regarding plants and I will shortly begin posting on this forum (and others) proposals as to how CITES could change to accomodate trade in truly art-prop material. I will be looking for feedback and if growers approve of these ideas I will ask for a statement of support. I will then begin to tke this material to CITES officials in the US and Switzerland to see if change can occur. Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Encyclia/Anacheilium Question
I have what was purchased as Encyclia 'Green Hornet' which is listed as a hybrid of Encyclia cochleata x Encyclia lancifolium. Both of these species have been moved to Anacheilium and from what I can tell are now known as the same species Anacheilium cochleatum. So do I have a hybrid or just a species bred from two different varieties? Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Phrag. richteri and Franz Glanz
To Guido and whoever else may be interested, Phrag. richteri was originally discovered in the state of Amazonas Peru in the late 1980's 87 or 88 I believe. It was first brought to light on the international scene by Manuel Arias. Ray Rands gave it the trade name of Phrag. amazonicum. It also went by the name Phrag. species Amazonas Peru. I imported some in 1988 and received an award of merit from the American Orchid Society on one called 'Amazon Queen' unfortunately it was awarded as a pearcei at the time. Now no pearcei will ever be able to be awarded as the Amazon queen was such a large flower for the type. Later the plant was named Phrag. richteri. It has always been my belief that this plant was a natural hybrid or at least from a somewhat stabilized population of hybrids between pearcei and boisserianum. I did self the 'Amazon Queen' and had a variety of seedlings bloom. Some did gravitate towards more of a pearcei look to the plants and flowers while others grew to be just like the 'Amazon Queen clone. None, however looked anything like a boisserianum. The interesting thing is that I did import these a couple of times and there were very little differences between plants. They all had the same appearance in leaf size and width and the flowers were very similar as well. I made the hybrid Franz Glanz using a yellow besseae. These were very beautiful. Here is a link to a photo: http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_hybr.asp?PRecno=1106 Jerry Lee Fischer, Orchids Limited ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Platystele misera
Does anyone know what the pollinator of Platystele misera is? Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re boissierianum
Guido has it right about the name. I collected boisserianum in Peru in 1988 at a place called Tres Cerritos. There were over 50,000 plants growing on a steep slope of volcanic red clay in an area about 100 feet at the base by 50 feet high. There were seedlings all the way to mature plants with leaf spans of 2 meters. Phrag. wallisii also grew along with them but in deeper shade. They were indeed on Southwest slopes with limited direct sunlight in the late afternoon. Water was trickling down the root systems. The roots were just under a surface of moss which covered the volcanic clay. Moss is nitrogen fixing and I am sure that helped them thrive. The Ph of the volcanic clay was 5.5 and the temps were in the mid 70's to low 80's fahrenheit in day and nights were in the upper 50's. This was during the dry season in August. Many pleurothalids and other orchids grew at the top of the hill where the light was stronger. I remember there was a farm below across the road with thousands of boissierianums having been just destroyed by fire for agricultural purposes. These farmers thought we were crazy to be so interested in such weeds. You could see it on their faces. It was also curious to me that boissierianum, reticulatum and czerwiakowianum (cherva-kof-ianum) grew all mixed up together on the same hillside. Happy phrags, Jerry Lee Fischer, Orchids Limited ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] kovachii
Hello to everyone on the forum, I have been growing kovachii since April of 05 and I have a number of plants in the 8 to 9 inch range and 5-7 inch range as well as a number of smaller ones. The cross that seems most vigorous to me is the 'Jewel' x 'Roseline' sib. Other sibs are slower and fewer in number. The hybrids I have between schlimii, longifolium, walisii and de alesandroi (besseae) all seem to grow well with good vigor. The wallisii hybrid has broad strong leaves. I have imported kovachii twice. Once in 05 and once in May of this year. Happy growing, Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited www.orchidweb.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Webpage Ads
Hi Peter Well I personally was not impressed with the Orchid fertiliser, especially when the mixture was so strong it killed the Peace in the Home growing beneath the benches, as well as some seedlings, when I mailed them too ask how I should dilute it, I was told I could use it as is or dilute it. (not much customer support) But I was even less impressed when a friend who grows Cacti told me about this wonderful recipe he had just bought and it sounded very similar to this Orchid recipe I had... The other recipes which come with for insectisides etc, look good, but have not tried it due to my experience with the fertiliser. It may work for others but did not work for me...and the recipe was more expensive than commercial products available in South Africa. I opted for their Iron Clad money back guarentee, which was paid back without any problems These are some references from their webpages, for Orchids, Cacti, Bonsai and Lawn Care Don't take my word for it.Listen to what our customers say. "It's very impressive. This is an invaluable reference if you want to grow the perfect cactus fast."-Bob Johnson, LA "It's very impressive. This is an invaluable reference if you want to grow perfect orchids fast."-Bob Johnson, LA "It's very impressive. This is an invaluable reference if you want to grow the perfect bonsai fast."-Bob Johnson, LA "It's very impressive. This is an invaluable reference for the homeowner. I would highly recommend this ebook to all who are interested in improving their lawns and gardens" -Bob Johnson, LA Looks like Bob is very happy with it http://www.sunshine-4u.com/fabonsai/index.html http://www.sunshine-4u.com/cactus/ http://www.sunshine-4u.com/orchid/ http://www.sunshine-4u.com/bug/index2.html?hop=bashyam Here are 2 links to gardenweb http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bonsai/msg0302274710470.html?13 http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bonsai/msg0617110910268.html?2 Regards Gideon - Original Message - From: Peter Croezen To: OGD Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: [OGD] John Perez The Australian Orchid Council's web page carries an advertisement for John Perez. http://www.sunshine-4u.com/orchid/ I wonder if any OGDer has tried John Perez's "amazing fertilizer recipes" for orchids. Any comments?. peter ___the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)orchids@orchidguide.comhttp://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] new Phrag described
Hi Rick http://www.ecuagenera.com/newsevents/phragplates.html http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=581 http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6207 http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6203 Here are some links to check out Regards Gideon www.thomasriver.co.za - Original Message - From: Rick A. Barry To: orchids@orchidguide.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: [OGD] new Phrag described Our local society newsletter includes a photo of Phragmipedium andreettae, recently described by Phillip Cribb and Franco Puplin. It's the first I've heard of it. I would expect to hear some mention of it in this forum. Does anybody have any further details? Rick Barry ___the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)orchids@orchidguide.comhttp://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] World Land Trust Sponsor Uses Orchids
Here's an interesting article from the World Land Trust bulletin: Hire an Orchid AND Save a Rainforest The new Driftwood Orchid Display. Try it for free for a month and Enterprise Plants will donate £50 to the WLT. Brighten up your office with orchids from WLT Sponsor. WLT Sponsors Enterprise Plants have been supplying Rainforest Orchid displays, using nursery propagated orchids, to clients for the past two years and these planters currently enhance over a hundred reception areas and boardrooms. As part of their sponsorhip commitments to the WLT Enterprise Plants offer one month's free supply and maintenance of the display and donate £25 per planter to the Trust. Clients receive a personalised WLT certificate stating that One Acre of rainforest has been saved on their behalf, and if the planter is not required after the trial period Enterprise Plants will take it away. Because of the success of the Rainforest displays Enterprise Plants have designed a new, eye-catching planter, again to raise funds for WLT. The Driftwood Orchid Display contains a unique New Zealand driftwood sculpture from the shores of South Island, a selection of architectural air plants and beautiful miniature orchids. The display measures 50cm x 1m high and is arranged in a spun aluminium 'wok' bowl. Again, they are offering one month's free trial for which they will donate £50 per new planter to WLT. If you work for someone with a boring reception area or a boardroom needing inspiration, try out one of the planters and help raise funds for tropical forests at the same time. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: orchids@orchidguide.com Sent: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:00:03 +0200 Subject: Orchids Digest, Vol 8, Issue 194 Send Orchids mailing list submissions to orchids@orchidguide.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Orchids digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Frustration, dislikes, amd missing comprehension (Prof. Dr. Braem) 2. Schltr.'s Dendrobium in Die Orchidaceen von Deutsch-Neu-Guinea (Peter O'Byrne) 3. Re: the apparent Icones-Braem controversy (John Stanley) 4. Re: Subject: Mealy Bugs Q & A, Imidicloprid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5. Re: caudatum vs. wallisii vs. warscewiczianum (Stephen Manza) 6. Phrag caudatum and Phrag wallisii (Sandy) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:30:32 +0200 From: "Prof. Dr. Braem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] Frustration, dislikes, amd missing comprehension To: orchids@orchidguide.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Icones wrote: "I am glad to hear that my discussions with Guido are useful and that people do learn things. However, it is very tiresome to have to work around his obvious dislike for the world and all the people in it" This, my dear Icones, shows how little you know of me and how biased you are about me. As for Kew, I have no dislike for the place. I have never said that the weight of the decision of Kew botanists is not as important as those of others. Again, you put words in my mouth. As for Phil Cribb, I have no dislike for the man. I only have dislike for his actions. As for Seidenfaden, he was a great man. For Kr?nzlin, well, Kr?nzlin was the student of Reichenbach fil. and we know that the latter was not such a great botanist as may be deduced from his "reputation". I is indeed frustrating and tiring to discuss this with someone who simply does not want to understand plain English. It correlates with you fear of putting your name to your messages. Back to important work. Guido J. Braem -- Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany Tel. +49 6441 65333 -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:57:36 +0800 From: "Peter O'Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] Schltr.'s Dendrobium in Die Orchidaceen von Deutsch-Neu-Guinea To: orchids@orchidguide.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In OGD V8 #193, "icones" said: "In fact Schlechter was so disappointed in Kraenzlin's work on Dendrobium, that he published a complete revision of the genus in Die Orchidaceen von Deutsch-Neu-Guinea, notwithstanding that all dendrobiums do not grow in
[OGD] Scuticaria peruviana
I purchased a plant labeled Scuticaria peruviana at our recent show in Houston is this a valid name or is it a synonym? Does anyone have any experience at growing it? I'd appreciate any help available. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Population, Global Warming
An excellent source of information is the Earth Policy Institute site at: http://www.earth-policy.or g/Books/PB2/Contents.htm. I highly recommend the whole book, but the section on population is also excellent. The book is available on line in .pdf format and in hardback and paperback. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Book Scan: Hortus Veitchii
Hi Steve I would definitely be interested in it, it is not that easy to find that sort of thing in our neck of the woods Regards Gideon - Original Message - From: "Steve Topletz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: [OGD] Book Scan: Hortus Veitchii > Orchid Community, > > The Hortus Veitchii, for those of you who know what this is, it needs > no introduction. This is a really large, old, frail book I've got > ahold of. It is about 550 pages. I'm willing to scan this book, and to > turn it into a text-searchable PDF document with images. However, that > is a considerable amount of work. I would like to first see how many > people would be interested in such a document. If there is enough > interest and we can work out the details, I should be able to produce > it within a week of beginning the project. > > Regards, > Steve Topletz > > > ___ > the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) > orchids@orchidguide.com > http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com > > ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] (no subject)
I have a reader who wrote: "I am an artist working on a series of species orchid paintings. Do you know the name of the pollinator moth for the brassavola nodosa or have any photographs of it? I have been searching and searching Any help would be greatly appreciated." Can anyone help us out? Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ceratostylis Article
Can anyone assist me in finding any Articles on Ceratostylis retisquama I am led to believe there was one wrote for the AOS Bulletin in 1987 but can't confirm this or find out if this is correct. Many Thanks for any assistance given Les O'Brien ( Australia ) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Sarcochilus
Hello Ron Well i have a couple of hirticalcar growing here in Bargo Nsw and yes the roots they grow up and down from the plant but not across the plant and have contacted a couple of Nursery i know and as usual they thought i was nuts. Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Article
What iam looking for if anyone had a copy of this Article. American Orchid Society Bulletin August 1973 on Sophronitella violacea. Many Thanks for any assistance you can give. Regards Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid Trivia
After reading the series of notes on the smallest orchid on the forum, I thought it would be intersting to publish a series of titbits on orchid trivia, the smallest, the largest, the most foul smelling, etc. If anyone has trivia to contribute, please contact me o ffline with the information (and the correct answer, please). Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re Blooming Heavily-Pigmented Miltoniopsis
We have grown Miltoniopsis Echo Bay and others and have found that light is one of the key factors for getting correct flower presentation. Keep the plant fairly shady as buds develop and open and they will come out correct. Temperature may also be a consideration so be sure the night temps are around 60 or 62 Fahrenheit at night and no more than 70-75 in the day. Best regards, Jerry Lee Fischer, Orchids Limited ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phragmipedium kovachii
We have just posted Phrag. kovachii futures on our website www.orchidweb.com . The plants are now growing well. Jerry, Orchids Limited ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Neolauchea pulchella
Is Neolauchea pulchella or Isabelia pulchella the proper name of the orchid from Brazil? Susan Taylor ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS Bulletin Project
The last time this was mentioned on the forum I sent a private message asking if there were any portions of this project that could be done via the web and that I would volunteer to help. Never got a response. Anyone else able to volunteer if there's anything we can do? Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Light/Heat/Moisture Data
I would like to develop a light/heat/moisture database for my small greenhouse so I can better situate my plants according to their needs. i.e. on a full sunny day in October, point A in the greenhouse at 8:00 am registers xx/xx/xx; at 9:00 am it registers yy/yy/yy, etc. I'm sure someone has done this previously so instead of reinventing the wheel I would like to know if anyone has already done this and would be willing to share. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] solenangis aphylla
Hello all can anyone assist with a photo of this orchid solenangis aphylla i would appreciate if someone can point me to a picture of this flower. Many Thanks Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Sarcochilus Article
Can anyone assist me in acquiring a copy of an article. On Sarcochilus Minirose from Orchid Australia. August 2001 Vol 13 No 4 Peloric marking in Sarcochilus on Sarcochilus Minirose.( Sarc ceciliae x erecta ). Many Thanks for any assistance Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Flora's Orchids
I'm waiting for a copy to review. The book just came out this month. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re foliar feeding
Some Paphs partially close their Stomata. They don't all act the same way. I am only speaking generally about fixed open stomata and orchids. I will foliar feed especially in spring when there is a huge light change due to my location in Minnesota. The intense and rapid increase in light after a long dreary winter causes a lot of nutrient problems for orchids. I observe this and when I start seeing a problem (such as yellow leaves at the base of my Paphs) I will foliar feed at a rate 6 times stronger than recommended for root feeding. I do this only in the morning and perhaps once per week until thing stabilize. I apply only enough to wet the leaves through misting but not to the point of runoff. I can literally see the difference in the plants color by the end of the day. Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] foliar feeding
When I invented my fertilizer ( Green Jungle) I spent 9 years trying to figure it all out. I went to the jungles of Peru, Borneo and others and studied everything. Soil, water, leaf analysis, temperature everything. One thing I discovered was that Orchids have fixed open stomata which allow the exchange of gases, moisture and nutrients at all times. In nature there are 2 primary things the plants get, ammonium gases (from decomposing leaves and other organic matter) and carbonic acid. These elements waft past the leaves and the leaves absorb them. In addition there can be nitrogen fixed in rainfall via lightning. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries I read of growers who would run Jacobs ladders during the night and in the morning shut them off and run misters to fix the nitrogen and bring it to the foliage. There are other accounts of growers only feeding their plants with crystals of ammonium carbonate placed under the benches. The crystals would slowly evaporate into the greenhouse atmosphere and need replacing once per week. Evidently the results were very good reading the account of one grower who exhibited some marvelous plants at a show. One only has to spread out a white sheet in the jungle and see how many insect droppings and other things there are that fall from the canopy to realize how amazingly complex these rain-forest environments are. Another amazing thing is that orchids have the ability to raise or lower the PH around the roots. In the case of Paph. sanderianum which grows on limestone the roots exude enzymes (and urease) in the early morning hours , lower the PH scavenge for necessary nutrients and minerals and then reabsorb back into the roots for the plants use. Paph. callosum actually raises the PH around the roots. The most difficult thing I encountered when creating Green Jungle was to make a formula that worked with all orchids whether they grow in acidic or alkaline conditions. Good growth to all, Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dendrochilum filiforme
Please excuse me for sending this again, but the other post did not go through except for the header. I treated myself to one of these plants for my birthday this spring and am now enjoying it blooming. How in the world do these delicate plants survive in the wild? My questions: Where do they grow in the Phillipine forest so that they do not get damaged by wind? What pollinates them? Susan ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dendrochilum filiforme
Please excuse me for sending this again, but the first post did not go through except for the header. I treated myself to one of these plants for my birthday this spring and am now enjoying it blooming. How in the world do these delicate plants survive in the wild? My questions: Where do they grow in the Phillipine forest so that they do not get damaged by wind?What pollinates them? Susan TaylorSusan TaylorOrchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dendrochilum filiforme
I treated myself to one of these plants for my birthday this spring and am now enjoying it blooming. How in the world do these delicate plants survive in the wild? My questions: 1) Where do they grow in the Phillipine forest so that they do not get damaged by wind?2) What pollinates them? Susan Taylor ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re OGD Vol, 7 202 and PK
I posted the announcement of my purchase of the Flasks of Phrag. kovachii on this forum for several reasons. One was to see what the sentiments of the various writers are. I wanted to see how people reacted to the issue and to really open a debate about trade and whether governing bodies like Cites and the signatory nations are absolutely needed or whether as Orchid enthusiasts (commercial or otherwise) we could come up with a voluntary code of ethics and create our own system that would ensure protection of species in habitat and the ability to trade artificially propagated species that are first raised and sold in range countries. I would like to see how we as enthusiasts might on this forum set guidelines that Cites officials would applaud and adopt. Remember that all governments everywhere are a necessary evil (or good depending upon your point of view) and that laws are put in place only when people can't act responsibly. Wouldn't it be better if we as a community could do the job ourselves? To Mr. Pressman I say thank you. I do not fear your point of view, I wanted it. I have served jury duty and have been involved in lawsuits both as an expert witness and as someone being sued. I know that perceptions play the biggest part in hearings or trials. It is the prosecuting or defense attorneys job to get people to perceive their point of view. They want to influence their audience as much as possible in their favor. Court really is a kind of game and their is always a loser. Justice is important, that should be the focus but as you say it really should be commensurate with the crime. Was it really necessary that so many peoples reputations were ruined over a plant? If the plant were an obscure little pleurothalid would people have cared so much? Murderers and rapists in this country often get less time than the sentence of 22 months that Arias received. Plants evidently have become more important than people. I know that Manuel did have permits to ship Phragmipediums all through the time period in question. Why he would label them as Maxillarias I do not know. I do not know all the details of the case. I do know that Manuel and his family have suffered a great hardship and have had to pay almost $200,000.00 defending themselves. They have had to go into debt. I think they have paid more than enough. I do appreciate your point of view Mr. Pressman and I really like the beautiful Renanthopsis hybrid named after you. I wish I could find more of them. There were three extradition hearings held in Lima. None of the U.S. attorneys from the embassy showed up at any of them. People make mistakes, people use poor judgement. Cites makes it so easy to make mistakes as the permits are often so stringent even for hybrids. I dare say that many importers or exporters of orchids with Cites permits have had to fudge things at times due to simple mistakes in tabulation or forgetting to request certain plants on their permits. Does that make them criminals? If everything was art prop and legitimate? Do we really need to hold people forever in our minds as evil because they used poor judgement or should we recognize the price they have paid and in the case of the Arias family how they have remarkably changed the way they now do things with artificial propagation. If people really turn and change their ways shouldn't we encourage them? To Peter Croezen, I think it is time to let things lie with the Arias Saga. I do not know their family intimately. I do have a great respect for the work they have done and the investment they have made. I purchased the flasks from Manolo his son. Manolo should not be considered as a criminal in any way. People set up companies as independent from themselves for protective purposes. So what if the family has 3 separate companies each owned by a family member? There really are labs that the Arias family runs and supervises. I do not know when they were developed but they are there now. I was really there. I will post photos on my web site after our orchid show (AOS trustees meeting) next week. Peter, I know you are friends with Manrique, the other person who was allowed to collect 5 plants of PK by INRENA. Do I detect some jealousy over the fact that Peruanino was successful with their flasks first? So what if Manolo went anywhere or got any help learning how to run a lab properly. This is what we should be applauding. It is not a crime to do that. I have not heard your talk about Phragmipedium kovachii but I would be interested in hearing it. Perhaps you can let me know your speaking schedule? Guido you can rest assured that I will not be selling any PK until the end of the contract (2 years) unless INRENA decides to change their minds. My contract is with them, not CITES. By the way I have read your treatise in Orquideolagia on Phragmipedium wallisii, caudatum, warsciwiczianum and popowii. I have to admit
[OGD] Inrena, Arias, kovachii
Inrena did indeed make me sign a two year agreement. Before I went to Peru I checked with my lawyer to see what the legalities were being that I am in the United States. I was told that any contract can be enforced as it is an agreement between the parties involved. I thought about it and at first I thought the 2 year agreement was ridiculous but then I remembered there are illegal plants around and I know there are flasks in the U.S., Canada and the E.U. So I went along with it and signed the agreement. I think the agreement will eventually change but for now it is what it is. I think the best way the kovachii problem can be resolved is if all of the plants are tracked for 6 or 7 years. Any plant which is sold, traded or donated could be tracked to the original source. Any plant which is shown exhibited or sold would require an invoice or certificate from the approved importer . If questions are asked about the legality then the certificate or invoice could be presented. You may ask why 7 years? This will allow legitimate growers to raise the first seedlings to flowering size and make the first generation of hybrids without worrying about someone dumping illegal ones for a fast buck. This may seem absurd to some but how else can you really punish the illegal collector of parental stock who has smuggled Phrag. kovachii or its seed pods and wants to sell the seedlings of the species or hybrids? Does anyone have a better way of managing this problem? If so post it on this list. As for the Manuel Arias saga, I would like to suggest that the true story of what really happened with his arrest has not been properly represented in this forum. I do not claim to know entirely what happened, perhaps no one ever will but I do know that what everyone is reading here is filtered through various authors perceived ideas with some facts or partial facts. It is a human nature thing. If I believe strongly in something I will stand behind that belief and that causes me to filter information in a way that reinforces my belief. Truth sometimes is a little harder to get at and it is well known that the human mind alters stories the more they are repeated and the more the stories are repeated by different people. I know some things about what really happened. I do not claim to know the absolute truth. I will post to this forum what I I know at a later date. Remember, that after 2001the homeland security act allows anyone to be arrested with no reason and held for at least 24 hours. Does this make us all potential criminals if it should happen to us? The Arias family has spent a great deal of money and made a huge effort to produce kovachii flasks and to produce may other Peruvian species from seed. I have seen first hand what they have done. I do not think it improper to charge what they do for the flasks. This is not an easy business to be in and when there is an opportunity for a nursery in a country of origin to make some money then let them. People don't have to buy kovachii seedlings if they don't want to spend the money. If they do though they should not complain as they should know what they are getting into. Best to all, Jerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.10 - Release Date: 4/14/2005 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re kovachii flasks - Jerry Lee Fischer
There are three companies owned by the Arias family Orquideas Peruanas, Peru Flora, and Peruanino S.C.R. Ltda. These companies are all in existence today and two of them at least are operated/owned by Manuels sons. I visited one of their nurseries and have seen video and photos of others. I was very impressed with the quality of their plants, the numbers of seedlings of all types and by how clean and neat everything was. There were phrags. from the seedling stage on through maturity. I remember taking a trip to Peru in 1988 and in those days Manuel had just a small area for growing, everything was collected. How much things have changed in the orchid world everywhere. The brochures that were sent earlier by e-mail but the Arias group were not trying to be misleading. I have them all. In one of the early brochures there were pictures of small kovachii seedlings in flask. These were just past the protocorm stage. There were pictures of larger ready to come out czerwiakowianum seedlings in flask and there was one photo of a czerwiakowianum flask that had the caption "expected size by March" . Well they did not grow that fast. Later there was a brochure that just had some unlabeled pictures across the top not identifying what they were. There were also other photos of other flasks and pictures of flowers from Phrag. kovachii, Cochleanthes amazonica, Oncidium lanceanum. I just looked at them as samples of their work and didn't think they were kovachii flasks although the small flask looks like it might be. I flew to Peru to make sure that I could hand carry them safely and that I would follow all of the documentation through customs and agriculture. I wanted to be sure that all the paperwork was correct and stamped. There are so many risks when flying with the bottles. There are a lot of vibrations in flight and turbulence was driving me crazy. Then I had to change planes and claiming luggage while carefully watching my bottles on the floor ws trying. A couple of times people jumped near the box and flung suitcases off the carrousel. One time I thought for sure the flasks would be crushed. even on my way home there was a 4 car pile up in front of me which cause me to brake suddenly with the box next to me sliding forward quickly. Fortunately I caught it in time. Life is a precious gift and it makes you realize that the whole planet is as delicate as orchid seedlings in a flask . Next time you drive somewhere just count 6 or 7 miles and realize how short a distance that is, then look up in to the sky and ponder the thought that this same distance, 6 or 7 miles is the envelope in which all life on Earth exists. Beyond that protective envelope is a very cold dangerous place. Jerry Lee Fischer No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Rodriguezia lanceolata
Thanks to everyone who replied on the cultural requirements for Rodriguezia lanceolata. Susan Taylor ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phrag. kovachii
Announcement: Orchids Limited is the first nursery in the United States to receive the first Legal seedlings in Flask of Phrag. Kovachii. Jerry Fischer took a trip to Peru and after a lot of preparation and intense amounts of paperwork fromINRENA and the exporter we successfully hand carried the flasks back to the US. We had to sign an agreement with INRENA that the seedlings would not be sold for 2 years, which we will honor fully. This is exciting and we can't wait till they grow large enough to flower. The seedlings are from Manolo Arias of Peru. Jerry Lee Fischer -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Rodriguezia lanceolata
I fell in love with this little miniature at a show recently and purchased one. Does anyone have any experience growing it? Can you provide sume pointers? Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Catch Roots
I have a Gramatophyllum elegans seedling which was a "freebie" when I first started with my addiction. I didn't know what to do with it, so I just planted it the way I would a cattleya with all the roots in the mix. It sat (literally) for two years and did nothing except turn lighter green or darker green depending upon how much light I gave it. Then some of the roots started showing above the mix and it put out a new growth. So I would say that it needed the catch roots in order to grow. I tend to underwater somewhat and my greenhouse gets very warm in the summer (Houston, Texas). Susan Taylor ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Abc news story
I think it is a bit unfair to attack Viateur over the news story. I believe Viateur was honestly pointing out to the Australian OGD'S that the article was there and the fact that lyrebird's were reported to be damaging the Orchids. I also believe that People like Viateur do all us a service by posting what is believed to be of interest to us . I don't know if the story is true or not but as Orchid lover we should be concern if that is what is going on. I also hope as a Subscriber to the Orchid Australia that this can be checked out and proven one way or another, not Viateur responsibility as with all of us we can't check ever item brought up. I do however believe that it was Viateur intention to just bring the news item to all our attention for all of us to decide one way or another Thanking you Les Sydney Australia ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Thanks
Just to say a very big Thank you to Viateur & Icones for there execllent help with my inquiry All the Best Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Sarconopsis Question
Hello All Can anyone help with where i may find Articles on Sarconopsis i was told about an article in the Australian Orchid Review,vol.36,no.3,September 1971 i have had no luck locating this Article as far as contacting the Aust Orchid Review which only have back copies to the nineties and a check on the Internet has also been disappointing i was able to find out it comes from Sarcochilus x Phalaenopsis. The reason for this request is i have purchased some Sarconopsis and wish to find out as much as i can to be able to look after them properly Thanking you for any assistance i may receive. Regards Les O'Brien Les & Ann O'Brien Po Box 715 Picton 2571 NSW Australia PH/Fax 02 46 841886 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Sophronitis Leaves
Thanks Bob the insects turn out to be minute scale had some leaves tested and was confirmed as the problem many thanks for your assistance have only seen the brown hard shell scale before so this one had me bluffed. Thanks Again Les ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Invigorating an OS
In addition to Peter's good suggestions, here are a couple of others: 1. Have a raffle table with donated plants that everyone can buy tickets for. 2. A silent auction for plants that members want to sell. 3. A discussion of the plants on the show table and cultural requirements for the specific plants. 4. A mentor program to help guests and new members learn about how the meetings go. 5. A new comer's group specifically arranged for the novice. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Marks on Leaves
I have a Sophronitis which has now turned up with these cream coloured blotching on the leaves the roots and stem looks fine can any one advise what the problem could be please Thanks ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re 1200 years
There was a Dendrobium moniliforme given a special award in Japan at one of the Grand Prix (Tokyo Dome) shows a couple of years ago. I understand the plant had been with the same family for 1200 years! The special award was well deserved. Best regards, Jerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Sarconopsis
Hello All Can anyone assist me with where i may find Photo's of these Orchids Sarconopsis Macquarie Sunset, Sarconopsis Macquarie Lilac. I .would really appreciate find some Pictures of them. Thanks Les No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Introduction
Hi All, I am a returning member of this forum. I left a few years back due to the seeming unending email flames that were being tossed about. I was encouraged by a friend of mine to return to the forum since the flames have decreased and the topic orchids and not egos prevailed. I live in SE Michigan and my collection has been in transition. I grew quite a few phals up until I moved in 2001. Now, out of about 150 plants, I only have maybe six phals. The remainder are paphs, phrags, catts, zygos and other stuff. Also, out of the nine years that I have been growing orchids, this year has been the best for growing and blooming. Kevin___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS Bulletin(s) / digitization (scanning)
I would love to see the AOS Bulletins digitized and on-line. Even for a
relative novice in the
orchid world information is sometimes hard to come by and the good information
in the AOS bulletins
would be invaluable.
I'd be willing to write the AOS, we could also start with a posting on the AOS
forum. Does anyone
have a contact at Google?
Susan Taylor
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It strikes me that such a project would be one of the most valuable
contributions the AOS could
make to its members. Few of us have a complete set, or ready access to a
library possessing such a
set. Therefore, the information that has been published over the years is
essentially unavailable
to us. Yet the internet provides an incredibly powerful means of making the
entire set available
to anyone who needs it, and the scanning technology and associated software
(Acrobat, etc.) are
readily available.
Despite such advantages, I can easily imaging such a project slipping way down
on the AOS list of
budget priorities. It is the kind of thing that can always be put off until
"next year."
Is there any way that orchid enthusiasts could create some indication of demand
for such a service,
and convey that information to the AOS? We need some creative thinking here.
Giles Smith
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Charles Ufford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> queried thusly:
> I was wondering if there were any of you who grow phal minus, honghenensis
>and/or stobartiana under lights, who could tell me what they use for
>mounting these orchids on?
I killed two Phal. (=Kingidium) minus on cork with a bit of
sphagnum, although I don't think it was the substrate. I also killed a
Phal. stobartiana on cork with sphagnum, but it took me about 18 months for
it to expire; I doubt that was the cork, either; at one point, it went
three-for-one, but all three eventually died. I have two Phal. gibbosa that
do well enough on cork with sphagnum (anyone notice a pattern here?), but
none of the roots attach to the cork, and they stay out of the sphagnum
entirely.
All are/were grown under fluorescent lights, fed distilled water,
occasionally with fertilizer/SUPERthrive added. I prefer to "flash" water
them- misting until the roots are saturated, and allowing them to dry
rather quickly under high air circulation despite the high humidity in the
tank. The distilled water is important, given how saline our tap water is
(150-500 ppm TDS most of the year).
I do have a question about Phal. javanica. I have seedlings (yes,
from seed- not wild-collected!) mounted on cork with sphagnum, and they
were doing very well indeed up until about a month ago, when they stalled.
They have withdrawn a bit, and the newest leaves have ceased growth. No new
roots are apparent, and the oldest leaves show the latticework of the
veins, which is never a good sign. I grow them in aquaria with fluorescent
lights, kept at 12 hours/day year-round, and at pretty much constant
temperatures (we Arizonans are like that- wa
[OGD] Stuff and Worker Bird
Loved the Worker Bird. I think that sometimes we all get too caught up in the "politically correct" and forget that there are sentiments that are worth expressing. Susan Taylor ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Anglocaste/Lycaste
Hello can anyone advise where i would find a picture of these two crosses have looked in Goggle and have found the names but no pictures as yet can someone assist me Anglocaste Thomas x Auburn Lycaste Sunrise x Anglocaste Lady Bath Many Thanks Les No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 8/12/2004 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] None
I received a request from an architecture student asking about the effects of coloured glass in a greenouse. Does anyone know a source of information on the effects this might have? Here's the full request: "Hello. I am an architecture student at the Rhode Island School of Design. We have been given an assignment to design a greenhouse for orchids. I have a question about growing orchids that may affect my design. I was wondering if colored glass would affect the amount of sunlight used for growing orchids significantly. I know different species require different amounts of sunlight but am curious as to whether color filtering can be used to control light. In other words, will different frequencies of the color spectrum enable me to control the amount of light that enters my greenhouse? Thank you for taking the time to read this. I hope to hear from you soon." Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Snails
I've had good luck keeping down snail populations with horticultural grade Diatomaceous Earth used as a preventative. It's not a quick killer, but will kill most insects and snail/slugs through dehydration. I apply it to my plants at the rate of approximately 2 tablespoons per pot every other week the day after I water them. It doesn't last well through a real drenching and runs out of the pots. Susan Taylor ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] re cloning neos
We deal in Japanese Neofinetias and we understand that they are very difficult to clone. Evidently the cloning process produces very few plants and they are so slow to grow and develop that it is easier to simply wait till a mother plant grows large enough to divide. Sometimes they can also morph into something else. There is also another reason, one grower in Japan who decided to try and clone them had his laboratory bull dozed by the Yakuza (Japanese Mafia). Neos are deemed as a very important part of Japanese culture (almost like a national treasurre) and are highly sought after in Japan. There are very serious clubs and collectors. Last year one very special Neo sold for $300,000.00 . Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane N Plymouth, MN 55446 1-800-669-6006 toll-free 1-763-559-6425 tel 1-763-557-6956 fax Website: www.orchidweb.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Tolumnias--Anita Aldritch
Anita is indeed still around and still hybridizing Tolumnias. She recently gave a very interesting presentation at the Houston Orchid Society on the subject. Her e-mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you wish to contact her. Her company, Sundance Orchids does not currently have a website. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] New Subscriber
The e-mail with subscription confirmation suggested that new members send an message introducing themselves. I'm Susan Taylor, living and growing orchids in Houston, Texas. I'm a member of the Houston and American Orchid Societies although only a 2 year grower. I have mostly cattleya hybrids but of course have had to try a few other types of orchids to see if they will work under my conditions. I have a small home-built greenhouse (8'x12') and an indoor window area. I recently have taken over as the Orchids Editor for a website, BellaOnline, which caters mostly to new growers of orchids. Suggestions or tips for new growers would be welcome--as well as comments/suggestions for the website if anyone has time to check it out. Here's the link: http://www.bellaonline.com/site/Orchids. Susan Taylor Orchids Editor at BellaOnline ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Mail Delivery failure - orchids@orchidguide.com
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[OGD] Re mexipedium legality
Our nursery (Orchids Limited) was the first nursery that was allowed to legally export mexipedium xerophyticum. We went through all the approval process with US Fish and Wildlife and the Cites authorities some years ago. So yes we have the permits. Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re Mexipediums
Marianne, I have some Mexipediums at a nursery in the UK and can ship one to you. If interested please let me know and I will send you my entire list of plants I have there now. I will also be going to the Newbury show next June and can bring things then. To contact me e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can also learn more about the Newbury show requirements at www.orchidweb.com . Jerry Lee Fischer Orchids Limited ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] re CITES
The solutions to trade in orchids are really quite simple: #1 Ban all trade in wild collected specimens. #2 Allow all trade in true Art Prop plants regardless of whether they are species or hybrids. No Cites permits should be needed for these. There are ways to implement these 2 statements. I can explain them (I have before) but I won't bore you here. while we are debating these things endlessly the tropical forests are falling at the rate of a football field a second. I am quite sure that more orchids are lost in a week than have ever been collected in the history of man. Do the math, it is more than 529,000 acres lost in a year. This number will double in the next 47 years as the demand for timber doubles. Let's work on a sensible system. Cites should not regulate art prop plants in nurseries yet it seems that is the focus. Perhaps the treaty should be abolished and a new treaty called the "Convention (for the) International Protection (of ) Endangered Species" should be established. The focus would be (and the money would be spent) on habitat protection, educating countries as to the plant resources that exist and how to protect and propagate them. There would also be an emphasis on deriving economic value from the forest without cutting it down. Whether it be Eco-tourism or the discovery and subsequent propagation and distribution of new species by the range countries nurseries. There are also medicinal plants and all of the value seen and unseen that goes with protecting any ecosystem. The intrinsic value is far too easily overlooked. Think about the forests of paper generated every time I or anyone else has to get a permit to bring Art Prop plants from one country to another. When I go to the UK for example I have to have a permit for each genus. I end up with 50 or 60 permits from their end in triplicate, not to mention the paperwork from this end and the 2 to 3 months we have to wait for the single use permits. How is that benefiting the environment? How is that protecting species in the range states? It's spring in Minnesota and the Cyps. are in bloom. The sweet smell of apricots can be detected from the flowers of Cyp. parviflora. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] re Phrag brasiliensis
Since we counted brasiliensis does anyone have a Phrag. Patty MacHale that they have crossed, raised from seed and flowered on their own? If so would someone be willing to send me a couple of root tips so we can count the chromosomes ? Thanks, Jerry ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] re brasiliensis
We have just counted the chromosomes of Phrag. brasiliensis and there are 36. If you cross pearcei with 22 and sargentianum with 22 you will still have 22. This is very interesting. Thanks, Jerry ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] re Phrag. brasiliensis
Phrag. brasiliensis was first described (with my urging) by Dr. Robeert Quene (an employee of orchids Limited and Olaf Gruss. We have raised seedlings of it selfed and they come out as the parent. This plant has been in collections around the world since the 1970s. Ron Cisenski confirmed with me that Margaret Ilgenfritz Brought the plant in from Brazil in the early 70s. I have since found a painting of it in a book on Brazilian orchids by Pabst and Jung from 1974. The painting is mislabeled as caricinum and is said to come from the Roraima Highlands. I have asked Brazilian orchid enthusiasts to keep their eyes open for the plant both in collections that already exist and for any new materials coming from that area. I suppose it will take an expedition of some sort. The plat has also been seen in Europe for some years. I believe it could be a stabilized population of a natural hybrid between sargentianum, vittatum and perhaps chapadense. Only time will tell and once the plant is rediscovered we shall have our 100 percent proof. I for one am certain it is a good species. I shall ask Robert on Monday if he has counted the chromosomes yet. If he has I will post them. If not I will ask him to do it in the next week. Thanks, Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Your document
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