RE: Orion as a Win2000 service ?
Here is the command we issued to register Orion as a service: D:\JNT "/InstallAsService: Orion" "/SD" -jar d:\\orion.jar -userThreads If you don't use threads, leave off the last switchgood luck! Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Nusairat, Joseph F. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:07 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion as a Win2000 service ? What command line did u use to run it? -Original Message- From: Thomas Pridham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:50 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion as a Win2000 service ? In our production environment (win2000), we are using JNT to run Orion as a service: http://www.eworksmart.com/jnt/ Works great. One bug is when you issue a stop command, the stop dialog hangs halfway through, but the service is stopped. Can't beat the price, free!!! -Original Message- From: Toth [@HOTMAIL], Adam (E-mail) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion as a Win2000 service ? In the archive I've found the following: >From:Larry Velez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Orion as a Win2000 service > >I am running Orion as a service using the following RunSvcExe script: > >Note that jvmi.exe (http://www.kcmultimedia.com/jvmi/) is necessary because >of a bug (or feature) in Win32 Java that does not allow you to log out of >the machine while Orion is running. This defeats the whole purpose of >running Orion as a service. > >### ># This script runs OrionServer as a service ># > >JAVA_HOME=d:\jre\1.3 >ORION_HOME=d:\orion > ># set up java run-time stuff >exe=$JAVA_HOME$\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe > ># RunExeSvc variables > >debug=false# if true, RunExeSvc will show internal status >home=$ORION_HOME$ # the starting dir of the service > ># Running as an http server. >cmdline=$exe$ (YOUR ORION COMMAND LINE HERE) >## My question is that how can it work? It seems that JVMI does not support .JAR files(?). I've created a .Cmd file (not sure about those scripts, but should do the same): REM ### REM # This script runs OrionServer as a service REM # SET JAVA_HOME=c:\jdk1.3 SET ORION_HOME=c:\orion REM # set up java run-time stuff SET exe=%JAVA_HOME%\jre\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe REM # RunExeSvc variables SET debug=true# if true, RunExeSvc will show internal status SET home=%ORION_HOME% # the starting dir of the service REM # Running as an http server. REM cmdline=$exe$ (YOUR ORION COMMAND LINE HERE) %exe% -jar orion.jar But it does not work: C:\orion>REM ### C:\orion>REM # This script runs OrionServer as a service C:\orion>REM # C:\orion>SET JAVA_HOME=c:\jdk1.3 C:\orion>SET ORION_HOME=c:\orion C:\orion>REM # set up java run-time stuff C:\orion>SET exe=c:\jdk1.3\jre\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe C:\orion>REM # RunExeSvc variables C:\orion>SET debug=true# if true, RunExeSvc will show internal status C:\orion>SET home=c:\orion # the starting dir of the service C:\orion>REM # Running as an http server. C:\orion>REM cmdline=$exe$ (YOUR ORION COMMAND LINE HERE) C:\orion>c:\jdk1.3\jre\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe -jar orion.jar jvmi.exe 1.1 - (C)2000 by Bill Giel/KCMDG Java 1.3 VM Invoker (which traps LOGOFF events) ** * Evaluation Version - for licensing information * * contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** Cannot find main class. Any ideas? (Maybe the problem is trivial...) Thank you in advance, Adam
RE: Orion crashing silenty
We have been running Orion 1.3.8 / Sun JDK 1.3.0 / Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP1 (NTFS file system) in production for months without an incident. Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Ron van Pol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:20 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Orion crashing silenty Hi, I'm running orion with the -secure option on Windows 2000 Server. The problem is that orion crashes each and every time now when I access a JSP. I've tried different JVMs (SUN 1.2.x, 1.3.x and IBM 1.3.0) and versions 1.4.5, 1.4.7 and 1.4.8 of orion. In all configurations the result is orion crashing silenty. The weird thing is that the all of the above seem to work ok on Windows 2000 Pro. Other differences between the 2 windows configurations are that on windows 2000 server the filesystem is NTFS and on windows 2000 pro the filesystem is FAT32. Is there anyone out there that can confirm having the same problem? Or suggestions on how to get on top of this problem? Thanx a lot, Ron
RE: Orion support company
What truly happened is that the Klingons have purchased IronFlare / Orion. Starting with version 1.5.0, you will have the option of servering web pages while the web server is "cloaked". The "serving-pages-while-cloaked" will prove to be a threat to the United Federation of J2EE Servers (made up or BEA, IBM, HP, iPlanet). :-) (yes I am a nerd, yes I couldn't resist some Star Trek humor, and yes this post serves only to be a distraction from the real work at hand) Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Dan North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 4:33 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion support company BEA made an offer, but IBM beat them to it. As of version 1.5.0, Orion will become known as OrionSphere Application Server (TM) At 14:48 26/04/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Okok everyone - for those confused. Orion did NOT get bought by BEA. > >JoeO was just making a joke, which obviously quite a few people missed. > >Call it a late April fools prank ;) > >REPEATING: Orion has not been bought by BEA. > >-mike > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert S. > > Sfeir > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 4:33 AM > > To: Orion-Interest > > Subject: RE: Orion support company > > > > > > At 11:37 AM 4/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Orion's web site is still up? Every time I go to > > www.orionserver.bea.com, > > > >it comes back with an error. > > > > What's orionserver.bea.com? Dude how about www.orionserver.com, I didn't > > know BEA bought Orion... or did I miss some crazy post somewhere? > > > > R > > > > > > > > > > Robert S. Sfeir > > Director of Software Development > > PERCEPTICON corporation > > San Francisco, CA 94123 > > w - http://www.percepticon.com/ > > e- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > t - (415) 749-2900 x205 > > > > > > -- Dan North VP Development - Cadrion Technologies - +44 (0)20 7440 9550 CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: What is a relavent question?
I do agree, research should be done before posting a question..but some of the really-green programmers don't even know how or where to do this -- I remember what that was like. You are right about the line being blurry is it a newbie asking a question that has them stumped OR is it a lazy programmer not willing to do some research first? Sometimes it's hard to tell... If it truly is a lazy programmer, then turn on the flame-thrower !! :) -Original Message- From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:56 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: What is a relavent question? I'm sorry, but I (and many others of these 'less-than-professional' programmers you're talking about) feel (rightly or wrongly) that people should not post whenever a thought pops in their heads. That seems like a very lazy approach to problem solving that puts serious doubts on their credentials as a 'professional' anything. EVERYONE has questions that they do not immediately know the answer to. Often, the answer can be found with one or two minutes of searching and investigating. I'd much rather someone spend that time than the 3 minutes it takes for them to write the email, and the hundreds of collective minutes wasted by other people responding (yes, posts like this included!) There is a line between what is OK to ask and what is not. Granted, it's blurry, but I'd like to think that it just requires a little bit of common sense to sense. How to zip things is on the wrong side of that line, serious undocumented quirks with rh7 and java are on the right side. "if you have something stupid to say, don't say anything at all!" :) Trying this tongue biting thing again, Hani On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Thomas Pridham wrote: > Very good post. I try to help out as much as I can, but I also need > assistance from time to time. No one should be afraid to post on this list, > no matter how many times the question has been addressed (i.e. How do I > update to the latest version?). I am growing tired of the > less-than-professional-programmers that provide smart-ass remarks / flames > to people's genuine questions. > > I do feel one solution would be to use a Bulletin Board instead of a mailing > list. That way, the questions could be placed into categories and you > wouldn't have to read a ton of email. Just my opinion > > "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!" :) > > Regards, > Tom Pridham > > > -Original Message- > From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 10:59 AM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: What is a relavent question? > > > This question did occur to me, and Socrates would have a field day with it. > Since this list has everyone from visitors, EJB beginners, EJB server > builders, and anyone in between, what is a relavent question? More > importantly, what is a relavent answer? To me, any question related to > Orion or EJB is relavent. Now there are various positions on giving > answers. Some may say to read the EJB specs Sun put out for answers. > Others will say to read the books on EJB. Some would say to use the search > engines. Still others, like myself, will give answers if we know it. Why do > we do this? To add more EJB folks to the fold, and because we enjoy doing > it. Now I can get off on a tangent sometimes, and there are times that is > good, like trying to present some ideas to help Orion become more popular. > And yes, I also like open source, if it is good or has potential. I run > Apache in production, but I also run Oracle. To zip or not to zip, that is > the question? And many kind folks answered that question. And I, in turn > may someday answer that question. > So what is an irrelavent question? > In all the 190 Stooge shorts, how many contained pie fights? Five > How does the Dali Lama start his day? He meditates for two hours before > listening to the BBC. > Why were people called Mat Hatters in Alice In Wonderland? Because they > made hats using mercury and the fumes drived them made. > Who are my EJB heroes? The folks at Orion, Jboss, and Enhydra, because > they are making affordable EJB servers to make this technology available to > everyone. > Why does Einstein not know his phone number? Because he thought it was > irrelavent information and could look it up in the phone book. > >
RE: JSP server configuration
Without the :8080 extension, IIS is trying to process the request. Since it doesn't understand the *.jsp file type, it is processing it as a download. Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Alby Peter Panikulangara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:43 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: JSP server configuration Hi, I am new to jsp. recently i tried to put my website with as isp in US, they offers jsp & servlet support in NT server with IIS & Netscape Server.For jsp they advised me to use the url like http://websiteurl:8080/test.jsp, in this case the file executes fine, but if i type http://websiteurl/test.jsp the file is getting dowloaded to the pc. This is the case same with servlets. i would like to know how to rectify this configuration problem. with regards Alby
RE: What is a relavent question?
Very good post. I try to help out as much as I can, but I also need assistance from time to time. No one should be afraid to post on this list, no matter how many times the question has been addressed (i.e. How do I update to the latest version?). I am growing tired of the less-than-professional-programmers that provide smart-ass remarks / flames to people's genuine questions. I do feel one solution would be to use a Bulletin Board instead of a mailing list. That way, the questions could be placed into categories and you wouldn't have to read a ton of email. Just my opinion "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!" :) Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 10:59 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: What is a relavent question? This question did occur to me, and Socrates would have a field day with it. Since this list has everyone from visitors, EJB beginners, EJB server builders, and anyone in between, what is a relavent question? More importantly, what is a relavent answer? To me, any question related to Orion or EJB is relavent. Now there are various positions on giving answers. Some may say to read the EJB specs Sun put out for answers. Others will say to read the books on EJB. Some would say to use the search engines. Still others, like myself, will give answers if we know it. Why do we do this? To add more EJB folks to the fold, and because we enjoy doing it. Now I can get off on a tangent sometimes, and there are times that is good, like trying to present some ideas to help Orion become more popular. And yes, I also like open source, if it is good or has potential. I run Apache in production, but I also run Oracle. To zip or not to zip, that is the question? And many kind folks answered that question. And I, in turn may someday answer that question. So what is an irrelavent question? In all the 190 Stooge shorts, how many contained pie fights? Five How does the Dali Lama start his day? He meditates for two hours before listening to the BBC. Why were people called Mat Hatters in Alice In Wonderland? Because they made hats using mercury and the fumes drived them made. Who are my EJB heroes? The folks at Orion, Jboss, and Enhydra, because they are making affordable EJB servers to make this technology available to everyone. Why does Einstein not know his phone number? Because he thought it was irrelavent information and could look it up in the phone book.
RE: Is EJBMaker Worth it?
I agree.When training new Java programmers, I start them out on Textpad. IDE's provide great shortcuts, but do not help you understand the language. Alot of programmers change jobs frequently, so locking yourself into an IDE is not a very good idea. Our solution = Textpad + Ant + Command Prompt + MS Visual SourceSafe Regards, Tom Pridham http://www.oakscape.com -Original Message- From: Chad Stansbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 10:08 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Is EJBMaker Worth it? I think this is generally true for experienced developers. I tend to steer clear of all the Java IDEs since I'm at the stage in my career where debuggers aren't necessary... and I'd rather code than waste my time learning an IDE that probably won't be around in 2 or 3 years (they tend to become obsolete rather quickly nowadays). For me, Ant + TextPad + DOS prompt + WinCVS is very potent combination. Chad Stansbury - Original Message - From: Josh P. Motto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Is EJBMaker Worth it? > I had the same experience as you - so I > copy-and-paste everything right into the DD... > it's a lot faster for me than trying to figure > out what the GUI tool is doing to my files... > > --- Joe Fair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been working with EJBMaker for several > > hours now, > > and I can't help but think that it would have > > been > > faster to do it by hand. Does anyone else have > > an > > encouraging experience? > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >
Orion on Red Hat 6.2
I have installed Orion on RH Linux 6.2 and it runs correctly if I start it from the command line. I have tried to use the startup script from OrionSupport to have Orion start on a reboot. The script will not execute (I placed it in /etc/rc.d/init.d). I have changed the script parameters, checked the script's permissions etc...still no luck. Anyone have any ideas? What are others using to get Orion running on Linux? I also tried seaching the Orion mailing list..no luck there either. Thanks, Tom Pridham Software Engineer Computer Management Consultants 6951 Pistol Range Road Tampa, FL 33536 http://www.cmctpa.com http://www.oakscape.com
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive & well!
We paid for a license. All of our emails / calls / faxes went unanswered until I complained on this mailing list. I would suggest not buying a license, unless you are prepared to "go it alone". Orion is a great product, but customer support is horrible! I would develop the app on Orion and then deploy on either JBoss or Enhydra Enterprise. I don't think we should give IronFlare anymore money until they start supporting their customers correctly. The part that is killing me, is Orion is a great product and could be a great competitor to the big guys in the J2EE app server market. However, by not providing the bare-bones customer support needed, IronFlare will eventually fail since they are now making a very bad name for themselves in the eyes of alot of J2EE developers. Just my 2 cents worth Good Luck, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: elephantwalker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:06 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive & well! I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive & well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl & Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -Original Message- From: Karl Avedal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:15 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? Hello everyone, Time is well overdue for some information from us about the release schedule and when you can see your bugs fixed. I'm sorry to say that I can't give any information now either about when the next release can be available and when the different bugs can be fixed. We have been pretty silent lately and things have moved much slower than we hoped. We understand very well that many of you are in tough positions with bugs standing in the way of using Orion for your projects. The silence from us has provoked a discussion about whether we are dead like so many other IT companies, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to say that we are not. We will provide more information and I sincerely hope that we will soon get back on track with the release schedule. More information will be sent to this list later this week. Regards, Karl Avedal
RE: Orion + IE + HTTPS = Trouble
We have experienced session problems with both Bluestone's product and Orion. This only happened to us when using IE 5.5. We did some extensive tests and determine that certain IE versions have a problem with session. This happened on secured and non-secured sites as well. Our workaround - at the moment, we cannot correctly support certain versions of IE 5.5. Just my thoughts Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Tim Endres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 5:33 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion + IE + HTTPS = Trouble If your code demonstrates that Orion loses the session (or creates a new one), each time that the SSL session is re-established, then that would indicate to me that it is an Orion bug. I assumed that your problem was tied to the Basic Auth, but you are apparently using a FORM instead, and your processing it just like ours in that case. Bugzilla :( tim. > This is my first HTTPS application, so maybe I'm doing something wrong. Our > logon uses a JSP page, and places a UserInfo object in the HttpSession > (along with other objects we use for workflow tracking). All subsequent > access checks for this object before processing, forwarding to the logon > page if it is not found. Our problem was that every two minutes the session > changes (a println() in the servlet now displays a different session id), > the UserInfo object is not found, so the logon page is displayed again. > Adding this registry entry solved the problem on all client machines. How > should I change this to get around the problem? > > My only reason for suggesting that it may be an Orion problem is just that > I've never had problems using IE on other company's secure sites, so > something is being handled differently. If the problem lies with me, thats > OK, I just need someone to point me in the right direction so I can fix it. > > Thanks, > Bruce > > -Original Message- > From: Tim Endres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:24 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: Re: Orion + IE + HTTPS = Trouble > > > The artical you reference on Microsoft's site explicitly states that the > problem > is in MS's products, which implies it is not an Orion problem. Further, the > problem > is related to BASIC AUTH dialogs. Thus, the reason I believe you are not > seeing this > problem in general with other servers is that nobody uses basic auth. Most > sites put > their login pages up as HTML FORM's, not as basic authentication. > > tim. > > > IE 5.0/5.5 running on 95/98/NT keeps losing it's HTTPS session with Orion, > > which is big trouble if you store logon info there. By default these > > versions of IE renegotiate their SSL connections every two minutes, but > this > > can be changed by adding a DWORD registry entry. > > > > > HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\SecurityProviders\SCHANNEL\ClientCache > > Time > > > > Adding this entry, and setting it to 0x7FFF has solved all our issues > > with forcing constant logons when running in secure mode, but is a major > > pain because it has to be done for all clients (except Win2K and WinME > > clients) > > > > Since I have never come across this problem when logging on to other HTTPS > > sites on the web, I can't help but wonder if Orion is not handling the > > situation properly (I've tried it on both 1.38 and 1.45). Does anyone > else > > have any experience with this problem, or can comment on whether Orion > > should be handling this without modifying every client machine? > > > > Thanks, > > Bruce > > > > Microsoft reference: > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q265/3/69.ASP > > > >
RE: Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around?
I know that I got my invoice faxed to me just hours after posting my complaints on this list. I am glad that they responded, however, I cannot continue to do business in this manner. I build J2EE solutions for multiple clients and recommend the app server that should be purchased. I greatly enjoy developing / deploying apps using Orion, but I cannot continue purchasing Orion licenses with the "we will give customer support when they scream" type of customer support mentality. Hey Orion employees - If you are overwhelmed and overworked and are having trouble keeping up, why not just tell us? I would like to continue purchasing Orion licenses, but how about some honesty? Thanks for reading, Tom Pridham Software Engineer Computer Management Consultants http://www.cmctpa.com http://www.oakscape.com -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:44 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around? You may be right. Anyone from either the Orion staff, or someone on this list outside the Orion staff, have any additional information to share? -Original Message- From: Fink, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:29 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around? That line worked for a few months. Now, it getting to be clear that there is no new company. > -Original Message- > From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:19 PM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: RE: Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) > team. Are they still around? > > Orion had admitted having problems providing a support level needed by > some > companies, and that is one of the reasons for the new company, but the > process is taking longer then anticipated. Hopefully, down the road, > things > will get back to normal, along with enhanced accounting, marketing, > documentation, etc. > >
RE: Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around?
I agree with you. Orion is a great product, but we are also having problems getting proper support from Orion. Even getting something as simple as an invoice for the product (which is paid in full) has been a huge hassle. Can you imagine doing business with a company that does not provide simple functions like support, accounting, customer management etc...??? I work for a company that provides J2EE solutions to our customers. One client has bought a license and we are getting ready for another purchase. I am really beginning to wonder if that is a good idea. I'd rather work with an inferior product and have access to engineers that can help when a crisis occurs.I think it may be time to dump Orion and use another vendor. I think Orion is a GREAT product, but they MUST provide basic functions to support that product. If they were not ready to support the people who bought the product, then they should not have started selling it!!! Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Douma, Ate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:24 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Impossible getting the attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around? Hello all, I've been trying for weeks now getting any response from the orion team to no avail. First of all, I wanted to post a serious problem in Bugzilla but for that I need a account password. I've tried and tried, but never ever received a password after creating a new account or after requesting the account password to be send again. Then I tried sending a message directly to orion support. No response. Then I posted my problem to this list http://www.mail-archive.com/orion-interest@orionserver.com/msg09692.html (Serious problem with Orion transaction processing: multiple connections used within a single transaction) februari 13, 2001, including a test case. I mailed this problem again to [EMAIL PROTECTED] februari 19, 2001. No response. I mailed Magnus Stenman directly on februari 27 explaining these problems and requesting access to Bugzilla. No response. I'm not clear what options are left, but we are seriously considering other application servers right now as this kind of support is really not acceptable in the long run. At least a simple acknowledgment of the reception of the problem would give us the idea that someone is actually monitoring [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailbox. It doesn't seems to be the case right now. Having to switch to another application server is something I really don't like. Overall I like the orion application server very much (certainly for development). We consider the bug we encountered as very, very serious which will have to be solved otherwise we just don't have another option. The bad (non-existing?) support makes this truly serious. If anyone did have some contact with the orion team (mailbased or otherwise) in the last month's I would be very grateful to know how they did that. The same question I have for anyone how was able to create a Bugzilla account recently. Lastly, somewhat less important: does anyone receive the orion-interest maillist still directly to their mailbox? Since Januari 11, 2001, we didn't receive any mail anymore, and can therefore only access the maillist at http://www.mail-archive.com/orion-interest@orionserver.com. (re)Subscribing again didn't help a bit, not even using new mailaccount. Ate +---+ | Ate Douma iWise B.V. | |Hoofdstraat 2a-4a | | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4941 DC Raamsdonksveer | | Phone ++31 (0)162 517167 The Netherlands| | Fax++31 (0)162 516872 http://www.iwise.nl| +---+
RE: Error unpacking: IO Error: error in opening
We also see this problem alot. My opinion is that while ant is still copying over the file, Orion tries to open it, resulting in an I/O error. Sometimes Orion retries to open it and other times not. The EAR-auto deploy is quirky!! Regards, Tom Pridham Software Engineer http://www.Oakscape.com -Original Message- From: Randahl Fink Isaksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:07 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Error unpacking: IO Error: error in opening I am wondering if I am the the only one getting an error when deploying a new .ear (this happens often but not always): Auto-unpacking C:\(...)\project.ear... Error unpacking: IO Error: error in opening zip file Does anybody know why this happens, and is there a work-around apart from restarting Orion? R.
RE: Orion as a Win2000 service ?
In our production environment (win2000), we are using JNT to run Orion as a service: http://www.eworksmart.com/jnt/ Works great. One bug is when you issue a stop command, the stop dialog hangs halfway through, but the service is stopped. Can't beat the price, free!!! -Original Message- From: Toth [@HOTMAIL], Adam (E-mail) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion as a Win2000 service ? In the archive I've found the following: >From:Larry Velez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Orion as a Win2000 service > >I am running Orion as a service using the following RunSvcExe script: > >Note that jvmi.exe (http://www.kcmultimedia.com/jvmi/) is necessary because >of a bug (or feature) in Win32 Java that does not allow you to log out of >the machine while Orion is running. This defeats the whole purpose of >running Orion as a service. > >### ># This script runs OrionServer as a service ># > >JAVA_HOME=d:\jre\1.3 >ORION_HOME=d:\orion > ># set up java run-time stuff >exe=$JAVA_HOME$\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe > ># RunExeSvc variables > >debug=false# if true, RunExeSvc will show internal status >home=$ORION_HOME$ # the starting dir of the service > ># Running as an http server. >cmdline=$exe$ (YOUR ORION COMMAND LINE HERE) >## My question is that how can it work? It seems that JVMI does not support .JAR files(?). I've created a .Cmd file (not sure about those scripts, but should do the same): REM ### REM # This script runs OrionServer as a service REM # SET JAVA_HOME=c:\jdk1.3 SET ORION_HOME=c:\orion REM # set up java run-time stuff SET exe=%JAVA_HOME%\jre\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe REM # RunExeSvc variables SET debug=true# if true, RunExeSvc will show internal status SET home=%ORION_HOME% # the starting dir of the service REM # Running as an http server. REM cmdline=$exe$ (YOUR ORION COMMAND LINE HERE) %exe% -jar orion.jar But it does not work: C:\orion>REM ### C:\orion>REM # This script runs OrionServer as a service C:\orion>REM # C:\orion>SET JAVA_HOME=c:\jdk1.3 C:\orion>SET ORION_HOME=c:\orion C:\orion>REM # set up java run-time stuff C:\orion>SET exe=c:\jdk1.3\jre\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe C:\orion>REM # RunExeSvc variables C:\orion>SET debug=true# if true, RunExeSvc will show internal status C:\orion>SET home=c:\orion # the starting dir of the service C:\orion>REM # Running as an http server. C:\orion>REM cmdline=$exe$ (YOUR ORION COMMAND LINE HERE) C:\orion>c:\jdk1.3\jre\bin\hotspot\jvmi.exe -jar orion.jar jvmi.exe 1.1 - (C)2000 by Bill Giel/KCMDG Java 1.3 VM Invoker (which traps LOGOFF events) ** * Evaluation Version - for licensing information * * contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** Cannot find main class. Any ideas? (Maybe the problem is trivial...) Thank you in advance, Adam
RE: I switch from X to Orion because:
I switched because: 1. Bluestone's Total-e-Server will cost you over $100,000.00. And that is an iteration based license. After so many app server iterations (oh yeah, they don't tell you what an iteration is...), it's time to buy more iterations (HP now owns this company). 2. Tomcat does not support EJB, even if it did, getting Tomcat & Apache working together is sometimes a hair-pulling experience. 3. All of the horror stories from developers claiming that iPlanet is VERY buggy. 4. Because Websphere / Weblogic is too expensive for some customers. 5. Because Unify is rumored to be on unstable financial ground (even though eWave is only $595/cpu). 6. Because Orion was easy to install, easy to deploy, and easy to maintain. Granted that we DO NOT use entity beans. We only use stateless session beans. EJB is still too immature to be using entity beans, if you don't believe me, look at the majority of the posts on this mailing list. They mostly deal with entity bean problems!! That's my personal opinionplease be gentle with the entity-flame-emails :) Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message-From: Vaskin Kissoyan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:05 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: I switch from X to Orion because: Please fill in the blank as you see fit.
Mixing secure & non-secure pages in the same application
I have jumped through the Verisign hoops and have installed my certificate. Here is my issue: How do you serve both secure and non-secure pages from the same application Right now, my entire application is secure and served from port 443. If someone types in the URL, the server does not respond because I am not running anything on port 80. For a VERY temporary fix, I turned on IIS on the same box, and do a redirect from IIS:80 to Orion:443. My goal is to have one application, serve the splash screen in non-secure mode, and serve the rest of the screens in secure mode. I searched the documentation / mailing list, but did not find anything. Thanks, Tom Pridham Software Engineer Computer Management Consultants 6951 Pistol Range Road Tampa, FL 33536 813-935-7332 ext. 165 813-854-4538 - Fax http://www.cmctpa.com http://www.oakscape.com
RE: ms access & Orion?
Two other free RDMS's are: 1. Interbase (http://www.interbase.com) - originally developed by Borland, now open source. I am using this product in a commercial environment. It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great on Win2000. This DB has a JDBC client. This is a cross platform DB. 2. SAP DB (http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/) - open sourced by SAP. I have not worked with this DB yet, but I will soon. This DB also has a type 4 JDBC driver. This is a cross-platform DB. Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :) -Original Message-From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: RE: ms access & Orion? Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver? If so, then it should be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion. But why would you want to do this? A better solution would be to work with something like Postgresql (www.postgresql.org) or Mysql (www.mysql.com), if you don't have a commercial database (like Oracle) available. -Original Message-From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:55 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: ms access & Orion? does ms access work with Orion ?
RE: where should I place the image files
Title: where should I place the image files This is how we placed our image files 1. We have an images sub-folder in our jsp directory. 2. We reference an image in the jsp with the following code: 3. We use ant to build our ear file. Hope this helps. Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message-From: Randahl Fink Isaksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 5:40 AMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: RE: where should I place the image files It is probably not just his image URLs - I have experienced the exact same problem, and I feel confident that it is not caused by wrong URLs. For some reason Orion does not copy the image files from the .ear archive when I publish it, but if I do a manual copy of the image files to the right location everything works fine. I too would like to hear from somebody who has made this work. R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Magnus RydinSent: 8. februar 2001 08:25To: Orion-InterestSubject: SV: where should I place the image files your image files normaly goes with the rest of your web-content, that is, next to your html files etc. An idea would be to check the image URL:s. WR -Ursprungligt meddelande-Från: Guan, Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Skickat: den 7 februari 2001 11:59Till: Orion-InterestÄmne: where should I place the image files Hi: I have deployed a ear file which includes image files on orion server. However, I did not see the image files on the web pages. Can someone tell me where I should place my image files? thanks. Tom Guan (Shaohua) 856-857-1324 X 2525 Senior Java Developer NFI Interactive Logistics <<...>>
RE: Which version is stable
I am also interested in the answer to this question. We have purchased and staged 1.3.8 on a server that will go to production within the next 30 days. Not sure if we should stick with 1.3.8 or go to 1.4.5? As a side note, anyone know how long it takes Orion Support to respond to an email? Been waiting 24 hours so far, our license file is bad. :( Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Randahl Fink Isaksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:14 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Which version is stable I am running Orion 1.3.8 seems to work, but I am thinking of upgrading. But which version should one upgrade to? - According to www.orionserver.com the new 1.4.5 is both stable and experimental... which sounds a bit like "stable and unstable". R.
RE: application.log file size
Very good question. When doing stress testing, our log files were getting to 200-300M each time. Of course Orion has the file open for "writing", so what is suppose to happen in a production environment? A solution to the Orion developers may be what IIS does, a new log file for each day. Granted that generates alot of log files, but they are easy to manage, and you can write a batch file to either delete them or zip them. Obviously, one big log file is not going to work in production. -Original Message- From: Ken Eisner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 12:25 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: application.log file size Hey there, Has anyone ever delt with the application.log file size? We ran into a situation where orion died because it could not access the log file. It's size had ballooned to 2.1GB. Any thoughts/ideas? Thanks in advance, -Ken -- /* * Ken Eisner * Developer * Bricsnet US, LLC * Portsmouth, NH * * phone: 603-559-2528 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why is Netscape slower with Orion?
You are correct. Testing Nav 4.76 against a remote Orion machine runs as fast as IE, but locally, it runs very slow. Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Robert S. Sfeir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 2:40 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Why is Netscape slower with Orion? I've noticed this with netscape when I'm running Orion on the same box, but I've also noticed it when I run other app servers on the same box. Seems to me that Netscape is not very nice about sharing processes and wants to hog everything. I've noticed that if I switch windows (like going form a folder window to the netscape window) things kick in a little faster. Weird. (Doesn't happen under netscape 6, but I'm not in it long enough to be 100% sure) At 05:35 PM 1/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:57 AM 1/26/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >Is it just me or has anyone noticed that Netscape is significantly > >slower than IE when accessing an application built with orion? Could > >there be anything wrong with my settings? > >I've noticed the same thing... not with Orion but Tomcat, etc. The biggest >thing is that it appears that Netscape is consuming 50% or so of the CPU >time. I'm not sure if that's all that explains it, but it certainly is a >factor. (This is netscape 4.75). Haven't checked with NS6 > >HTH! > -Mike Robert S. Sfeir Director of Software Development PERCEPTICON corporation San Francisco, CA 94123 w - http://www.percepticon.com/ e- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t - (415) 749-2900 x205
RE: Why javac does not compile servlet?
You need to install the J2EE JDK 1.2.1 from the java.sun.com website. Since you are using javac to compile your classes, the j2ee.jar file needs to be in your classpath. here's the URL: http://java.sun.com/j2ee/download.html Hope this helps... Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message-From: Roland Dong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:18 AMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: Why javac does not compile servlet? I have successfully installed orion1.45. It runs great! What I can not figure out is how to make javac compile a servlet. I have put tool.jar into orion directory and my autoexec.bat look like this: SET BLASTER=A220 I7 D1 T2 SET SNDSCAPE=C:\WINDOWS set JAVA_HOME=c:\jdk set TOMCAT_HOME=C:\tomcat\ set PATH=c:\jdk\bin PATH C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\ORAWIN95\BIN;c:\jdk\bin set CLASSPATH=c:\jdk\lib\tools.jar; When I compile a simple servlet I got error message. This is the error message when I try to javac HelloWorldServelt2.java: C:\Web\jsp\jspRoland\WEB-INF\classes>javac HelloWorldServlet2.javaHelloWorldServlet2.java:2: package javax.servlet does not existimport javax.servlet.*;^HelloWorldServlet2.java:3: package javax.servlet.http does not existimport javax.servlet.http.*;^ etc ... 7 errors C:\Web\jsp\jspRoland\WEB-INF\classes> Could someone throw me some light? Thanks very very much Roland
RE: Memory Leak
I have also experienced the same problems, not yet with Orion but with Bluestone. The problem is the same no matter what application server you are using. You must understand that the Application Server is "open-ended". That means that the app server will continue to accept new session requests until the memory is exhausted. If all of the sessions are "active", then the gc cannot reclaim any memory. That is why people run clusters. Usually, for high traffic websites with a high session timeout setting, people run multiple app servers to handle the load. If you do some testing, you will see that based on a session timeout setting of xx minutes, Orion can handle a maximum of x sessions. At another company I worked at, we found this out the hard way (after spending $200,000.00 for the Bluestone server). My suggestions to you are: 1. Look to see if you can lower the session timeout value. 2. Do some testing to see how many concurrent sessions Orion can handle before running out of memory (this is mainly based on the amount of data put into session). 3. Consider running multiple app servers (cluster). Hope this helps... Regards, Tom Pridham Software Engineer Computer Management Consultants 6951 Pistol Range Road Tampa, FL 33536 813-935-7332 ext. 165 813-854-4538 - Fax http://www.cmctpa.com http://www.oakscape.com -Original Message-From: Dan DiCesare [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:59 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: Memory Leak Hello, I am using JSP tags to invoke java beans. In my java beans I create a reference to my EJB's. In my JSP I scope the bean as session. In other words the syntax looks as follows: What we are noticing is that every time the page is called, a certain amount of memory is used by each session as expected by the session scope. However, when the session is complete, the memory is not released by the JVM. The end result is that we need to stop Orion server and restart to clear the JVM memory usage. Can anyone advise as to what we need to do. Thanks -Dan Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: Does 1.4.5 crash too often??
Haven't tried the upgrade yet.but if you use www.netcraft.com to see what version the orionserver website is running, they are using Orion 1.4.4 maybe there is a problem??? Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Raghu Krishnan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:34 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Does 1.4.5 crash too often?? Hi Guys, great to see 1.4.5 out that too as a stable version. But i am trying the newer version and the server crashed atleast 10 times for no reason at all on NT 4. Has anybody else experienced the same problem. Server is on NT 4.0 using Oracle 8 Enterprise Edition as database backend. - krishnan
RE: JSP/Bean not reloading after re-deploy
Not sure if this helps...we are using ant do builds with and each time we build / deploy, Orion deploys the new files without failure. It appears to me that Orion is triggering a re-deploy based on the timestamp of the ear file changing. However, I don't think this on-the-fly deployment is a good thing and here is why: When we first deploy our app, the JVM memory footprint is 11.9Mbytes. After the first compile / redeploy, the memory is 22.4Mbytes. After the third compile / redeploy, the memory is 24.8Mbytes. The memory usage continues to climb with each auto-deploy. As far as I can tell, the memory is never reclaimed for re-use. Not quite sure why it works that way, but it could be dangerous in a production environment. I know the standard developer answer is to allocate more memory, but that is just hiding the problem. -Original Message- From: Ozzie Gurkan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:08 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: JSP/Bean not reloading after re-deploy I have searched through all of orion-interest list and still have not found a solution that works for me. I am talking about the "reload" problem with changing of JSPs and its bean classes withouth restarting the server. I understand that the server should never be restarted, but I can't seem to get anything working without actually doing just that. I have touched the web.xml file before it is ear'd up to be deployed, but that didn't work. Does anyone have a solution to this problem? I must be missing something very simple. Thanks, Ozzie Gurkan
RE: Orion as a Win2000 service
Have you tried this: Right click the service and bring up the properties dialog. On the second tab, check the box "Interact with Desktop". When you start the service, the app should start in a command prompt window. The only issue with this is that the command prompt window will not show if you are accessing the box with Microsoft's terminal services (which I may add is very buggy!). Regards, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: Kevin Duffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:38 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion as a Win2000 service It's a good program with the exception of shutting down the service. For some reason, it doesn't ever shut down (the service) so you have to manually stop the service, then restart it (which does work). There may be a newer version than what I have. My only other complaint is that it always uses javaw and doesn't allow you to specify java to see a console window for output, which I then have to specify the output file to Orion and constantly open to see any output. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:51 AM > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: SV: Orion as a Win2000 service > > > Search the list for JNt, dont remember but some ppl, posted a > howto for this > program, even works when you log off the box ;) > > Klaus > > -Opprinnelig melding- > Fra: Thomas Pridham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sendt: 15. januar 2001 17:59 > Til: Orion-Interest > Emne: Orion as a Win2000 service > > > Is anyone running Orion as a Windows 2000 service. I tried to setup the > service as recommended by www.orionsupport.com but the application > (RunExecSvc) just dies everytime we try to run it. Is there > another way to > do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Tom Pridham > Software Engineer > Computer Management Consultants > 6951 Pistol Range Road > Tampa, FL 33536 > 813-935-7332 ext. 165 > 813-854-4538 - Fax > http://www.cmctpa.com > http://www.oakscape.com >
Orion as a Win2000 service
Is anyone running Orion as a Windows 2000 service. I tried to setup the service as recommended by www.orionsupport.com but the application (RunExecSvc) just dies everytime we try to run it. Is there another way to do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tom Pridham Software Engineer Computer Management Consultants 6951 Pistol Range Road Tampa, FL 33536 813-935-7332 ext. 165 813-854-4538 - Fax http://www.cmctpa.com http://www.oakscape.com
