Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-19 Thread Raul Vidal
Title: SV: SV: Not authorized to view this page



please get me off this list ...I'm switching domain 
names and I would not want to send a delivery DEMON to this list...I will enlist 
with the new email...thanks ...hope its enough time to delete my email... 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Magnus 
  Rydin 
  To: Orion-Interest 
  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:20 
  AM
  Subject: SV: SV: Not authorized to view 
  this page
  
  Now can someone please make me an Arm Linux JDK 1.2 so that I 
  can run Orion on a IPAC/Yopy?! :) WR 
   -Ursprungligt meddelande-  Från: Ernst de Haan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  Skickat: den 16 februari 2001 12:08  
  Till: Orion-Interest  Ämne: Re: SV: Not authorized 
  to view this page   
   Hi,   I would like to express my happiness wrt the fact that Orion 
   is 100% pure Java  
  code (not the TM-version of that term, perhaps) so it runs on  my FreeBSD box  too, with different 
  JDKs (including FreeBSD JDK 1.2.2b10, Sun  Linux 
  JDK  1.3.0/1.3.0_01, Blackdown JDK 1.2, 
  etc.)   Actually we 
  plan bringing our J2EE application server online  
  in a few months  on a FreeBSD box. It may not have 
  the best Java  implementation available, 
  but  we've run our prototypes on it for months, 
  without any  problems (no crashes  whatsoever).   Thanks guys! (hail hail!) ;)   --  
  Ernst   
   Tim Endres wrote:  
Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is 
   debatable, but I  
believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest. In 
   addition, Orion is  
pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on 
   my Win98 laptop).  
 I wanted to follow up and expound on 
  this last  parenthetical comment. I can't say enough about 
  being able to run our entire  application on a 
  single   Win98 box! It means that we can setup 
  a demo on a portable  PC, and have a 
marketing person show up at a meeting and run a 
  full demo  from that portable.   We do not need an internet connection, nor a $10,000 
  machine. 
  Also, this means that developers can take work home with  them, and not worry   about their 
  connection to the office. It also means that  
  developers can work   complete independent of 
  each other, without stepping on  eachother with 
  every   little change to the 
  deployment.
   If Orion were used only for development and demos, and your 
   application was   
  then deployed on a different app server, I think it is  worth the $1500!   
tim.   
  
   


RE: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-18 Thread Adamson, Scott
Title: SV: Not authorized to view this page



I do 
know how to manage these problems - hack away at it for a few hours (quite used 
to doing that on my own time with open source stuff), but I'd prefer not to have 
to deal with trivial crap that can take up a lot of time. I also prefer to use 
products which are of a higher standard than uncle Gates' offerings. Since you 
don't know me and are not familiar with my work I'm not offended by your 
suggestion that I may be in the wrong industry. By the way, I did setup my own 
index.html file,I just didn't expect to have to configure an XML to handle 
html. 

  -Original Message-From: SureTicket.com 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 
  12:40 AMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: RE: Not authorized to 
  view this page
  In 
  case you didnt know, u can do your own setup of welcome files. 
  
  Anything index.jsp, index.htm, 
  index.html...
  Maybe even index.asp... ;) 
  hehe(joking)
  
  As 
  far as commercial products go, dont get anyone 
started.
  FrickinIIS has a default.htm as a welcome file, 
  by default. (I think)
  I 
  guess now i'm gonna need to complain to uncle Gates
  "considering its a commercial product." (Its 
  not like i use it, but still)
  
  If 
  you dont know how to manage these kinda problems you
  are 
  in a wrong industry, no offence or anything.
  
  Anton aka sigg-
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adamson, 
ScottSent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:49 PMTo: 
Orion-InterestSubject: RE: Not authorized to view this 
page
I 
found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied in 
the tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to rename 
index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles 
considering that were talking about a comercial product.

  -Original Message-From: Magnus Rydin 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 
  2001 6:24 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: SV: Not 
  authorized to view this page
  Are the pages protected? Have you 
  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? What version of Orion are you running? More 
  information needed. WR 
   -Ursprungligt meddelande-  Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05  Till: Orion-Interest  Ämne: Not 
  authorized to view this pageI get the message 'Not authorized 
      to view this page' when  trying to run 
  the  addressbook example from the CMP primer. 
  I believe Orion is working  correctly as I can 
  run the orion-primer example. Any help  much 
  appreciated.   
Come on !! 
  Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm  
  running Orion on Win  NT workstation 
   trying to access the pge from the same machine, how 
  can I not  have access to  something on my own machine ??   I've tried loging in as admin 
  (normal account should have admin rights  
  anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this 
  list  please help as I'm evaluating Orion with 
  the view to  deploying it within a 
   10 server cluster ($$$).   regards,  Scott.   


RE: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-18 Thread Kemp Randy-W18971

 Good point, Scott.  Never make judgements about a person until you have walked a mile 
in his mocassins -- old Native American proverb.  Or here is my own saying.  Someday 
my teacher may be my student and my student may be my teaccher. 

-Original Message-
From: Adamson, Scott
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 2/18/01 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Not authorized to view this page

I do know how to manage these problems - hack away at it for a few hours
(quite used to doing that on my own time with open source stuff), but
I'd prefer not to have to deal with trivial crap that can take up a lot
of time. I also prefer to use products which are of a higher standard
than uncle Gates' offerings. Since you don't know me and are not
familiar with my work I'm not offended by your suggestion that I may be
in the wrong industry. By the way, I did setup my own index.html file, I
just didn't expect to have to configure an XML to handle html. 

-Original Message-
From: SureTicket.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:40 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Not authorized to view this page


In case you didnt know, u can do your own setup of welcome files. 
Anything index.jsp, index.htm, index.html...
Maybe even index.asp... ;) hehe (joking)
 
As far as commercial products go, dont get anyone started.
Frickin IIS has a default.htm as a welcome file, by default. (I think)
I guess now i'm gonna need to complain to uncle Gates
"considering its a commercial product." (Its not like i use it,
but still)
 
If you dont know how to manage these kinda problems you
are in a wrong industry, no offence or anything.
 
Anton aka sigg- 

-Original Mess age-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adamson, Scott
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:49 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Not authorized to view this page


I found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml
supplied in the tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also
had to rename index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have
these hassles considering that were talking about a comercial product.

-Original Message-
From: Magnus Rydin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: SV: Not authorized to view this page



Are the pages protected? 
Have you added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
What version of Orion are you running? 
More information needed. 
WR 

 -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
 Frn: Adamson, Scott [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
 Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
 Till: Orion-Interest 
 mne: Not authorized to view this page 
 
 
 I get the message 'Not authorized to view this page' when 
 trying to run the 
 addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion is working 
 correctly as I can run the orion-primer example. Any help 
 much appreciated. 
 
 
 
 Come on !! Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm 
 running Orion on Win 
 NT workstation 
 trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not 
 have access to 
 something on my own machine ?? 
 
 I've tried loging in as admin (normal account should have admin rights

 anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list

 please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to 
 deploying it within a 
 10 server cluster ($$$). 
 
 regards, 
 Scott. 
 
 





SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Magnus Rydin
Title: SV: Not authorized to view this page



Dont 
be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some information 
:)

  -Ursprungligt meddelande-Från: Adamson, Scott 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Skickat: den 15 februari 2001 
  13:49Till: Orion-InterestÄmne: RE: Not authorized to 
  view this page
  I 
  found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied in the 
  tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to rename 
  index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles 
  considering that were talking about a comercial product.
  
-Original Message-From: Magnus Rydin 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 
6:24 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: SV: Not authorized 
to view this page
Are the pages protected? Have you 
added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? What version of Orion are you running? More 
information needed. WR 
 -Ursprungligt meddelande-  Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05  Till: Orion-Interest  Ämne: Not 
authorized to view this pageI get the message 'Not authorized 
to view this page' when  trying to run 
the  addressbook example from the CMP primer. I 
believe Orion is working  correctly as I can run 
the orion-primer example. Any help  much 
appreciated.   
  Come on !! Someone 
must have had a similar problem, I'm  running 
Orion on Win  NT workstation  trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not 
 have access to  
something on my own machine ??  
 I've tried loging in as admin (normal account 
should have admin rights  anyway !) no 
difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list  please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to 
 deploying it within a  10 server cluster ($$$).  
 regards,  Scott. 
  
  


Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Jay Armstrong

Like most "semi-open" products, the old saying, "You get what you pay for"
applies somewhat with Orion; however, considering you pay nothing for the
developer license and the developer license is infinite, it's a bargain.  

There may not be much documentation, but this friendly orion-interest forum
is generally much more responsive and accurate than the support I've
experienced from WebLogic, WebSphere and IPlanet support.  The vendors
(BEA, IBM, and Sun) are much more likely to hide critical problems from
developers.

Note that these other products range in retail price from around $10,000
(WebLogic and WebSphere) to $35,000 (IPlanet) US dollars PER CPU, not the
bargain price of $1500 PER PLATFORM for Orion.  The total cost for IPlanet
on a 64-processor Sun E-1 would be a over $2 million (not including the
database)!

These costs do not include the backend database.  HypersonicSQL is totally
free and is also totally Java, though it may be going through a transition
regarding support and future maintenance.  I've seen that many Orion users
have had success with another open database, PostgreSQL, that offers
commercial (for a price) support.

Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

Orion also compares very well when you consider that some of the grossly
overpriced products do not even support EAR and WAR files directly.

Other great features include automatic reconfiguration when XML config
files are changed, automatic detection and deployment of new/changed WAR
and EAR files, and the ability to develop enterprise and web applications
in directories (in lieu of deploying EAR and WAR files).

I can go on and on.  Say what you will, Orion works for me.  You're welcome
to use the others -- just don't forget to bring your checkbook!

Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 10:03 AM 2/16/01 +0100, you wrote:
   Dont  be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
information  :)-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Frn: Adamson, Scott[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Skickat: den 15 februari 200113:49
Till: Orion-Interest
mne: RE: Not authorized toview this page

   Ifound the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml
supplied in thetutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also
had to renameindex.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have
these hasslesconsidering that were talking about a comercial product.  
 -Original Message-
From: Magnus Rydin  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001  6:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: SV: Not authorized      to view this page

 Are the pages protected? 
Have you  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
What version of Orion are you running? 
More  information needed. 
WR   -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
 Frn: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  
 Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
 Till: Orion-Interest 
 mne: Not  authorized to view this page 
 
 
 I get the message 'Not authorized      to view this page' when 
 trying to run  the 
 addressbook example from the CMP primer. I  believe Orion is working 
 correctly as I can run  the orion-primer example. Any help 
 much  appreciated. 
 
  
 
 Come on !! Someone  must have had a similar problem, I'm 
 running  Orion on Win 
 NT workstation 
 trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not  
 have access to 
  something on my own machine ?? 
  
 I've tried loging in as admin (normal account  should have admin
rights 
 anyway !) no  difference. If any Orion support people monitor this
list 
 please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to  
 deploying it within a 
 10 server cluster ($$$). 
  
 regards, 
 Scott.  
 


 





Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Ernst de Haan

Hi Magnus, Scott,

Magnus Rydin wrote:
 Dont be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
 information :)
---8---
 I found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied in
 the tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to rename
 index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles
 considering that were talking about a comercial product.

Do you consider these bugs in the tutorial? If so, then please report them to
the author (me), include some more details, and I will investigate them. As
the Orion CMP Primer works for (virtually) everyone, and since I've had some
other things on my mind lately, I didn't check the last 5 or so emails with
remarks about the primers.

Please send your remarks and I will look into the issues.

--
Ernst


 -Original Message-
 From: Magnus Rydin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:24 PM
 To: Orion-Interest
 Subject: SV: Not authorized to view this page
 
 
 
 Are the pages protected? 
 Have you added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
 What version of Orion are you running? 
 More information needed. 
 WR 
 
  -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
  Frn: Adamson, Scott [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
  Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
  Till: Orion-Interest 
  mne: Not authorized to view this page 
  
  
  I get the message 'Not authorized to view this page' when 
  trying to run the 
  addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion is working 
  correctly as I can run the orion-primer example. Any help 
  much appreciated. 
  
  
  
  Come on !! Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm 
  running Orion on Win 
  NT workstation 
  trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not 
  have access to 
  something on my own machine ?? 
  
  I've tried loging in as admin (normal account should have admin rights 
  anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list 
  please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to 
  deploying it within a 
  10 server cluster ($$$). 
  
  regards, 
  Scott. 
  
  
 




RE: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread SureTicket.com
Title: SV: Not authorized to view this page



In 
case you didnt know, u can do your own setup of welcome files. 

Anything index.jsp, index.htm, 
index.html...
Maybe 
even index.asp... ;) hehe(joking)

As far 
as commercial products go, dont get anyone started.
FrickinIIS has a default.htm as a welcome file, 
by default. (I think)
I 
guess now i'm gonna need to complain to uncle Gates
"considering its a commercial product." (Its 
not like i use it, but still)

If you 
dont know how to manage these kinda problems you
are in 
a wrong industry, no offence or anything.

Anton 
aka sigg-

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adamson, 
  ScottSent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:49 PMTo: 
  Orion-InterestSubject: RE: Not authorized to view this 
  page
  I 
  found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied in the 
  tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to rename 
  index.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles 
  considering that were talking about a comercial product.
  
-Original Message-From: Magnus Rydin 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 
6:24 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: SV: Not authorized 
    to view this page
Are the pages protected? Have you 
added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? What version of Orion are you running? More 
information needed. WR 
 -Ursprungligt meddelande-  Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05  Till: Orion-Interest  Ämne: Not 
authorized to view this pageI get the message 'Not authorized 
    to view this page' when  trying to run 
the  addressbook example from the CMP primer. I 
believe Orion is working  correctly as I can run 
the orion-primer example. Any help  much 
appreciated.   
  Come on !! Someone 
must have had a similar problem, I'm  running 
Orion on Win  NT workstation  trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not 
 have access to  
something on my own machine ??  
 I've tried loging in as admin (normal account 
should have admin rights  anyway !) no 
difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list  please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to 
 deploying it within a  10 server cluster ($$$).  
 regards,  Scott. 
  
  


RE: SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Patrick Munis


What's the difference between the commercial version of orion and the
standard version (version anyone can download? Are there some disable
features in the standard version ? When is orion going to be open source ?.

thanks -Original Message-
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:20 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page


Like most "semi-open" products, the old saying, "You get what you pay for"
applies somewhat with Orion; however, considering you pay nothing for the
developer license and the developer license is infinite, it's a bargain.  

There may not be much documentation, but this friendly orion-interest forum
is generally much more responsive and accurate than the support I've
experienced from WebLogic, WebSphere and IPlanet support.  The vendors
(BEA, IBM, and Sun) are much more likely to hide critical problems from
developers.

Note that these other products range in retail price from around $10,000
(WebLogic and WebSphere) to $35,000 (IPlanet) US dollars PER CPU, not the
bargain price of $1500 PER PLATFORM for Orion.  The total cost for IPlanet
on a 64-processor Sun E-1 would be a over $2 million (not including the
database)!

These costs do not include the backend database.  HypersonicSQL is totally
free and is also totally Java, though it may be going through a transition
regarding support and future maintenance.  I've seen that many Orion users
have had success with another open database, PostgreSQL, that offers
commercial (for a price) support.

Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

Orion also compares very well when you consider that some of the grossly
overpriced products do not even support EAR and WAR files directly.

Other great features include automatic reconfiguration when XML config
files are changed, automatic detection and deployment of new/changed WAR
and EAR files, and the ability to develop enterprise and web applications
in directories (in lieu of deploying EAR and WAR files).

I can go on and on.  Say what you will, Orion works for me.  You're welcome
to use the others -- just don't forget to bring your checkbook!

Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 10:03 AM 2/16/01 +0100, you wrote:
   Dont  be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
information  :)-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Frn: Adamson, Scott[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Skickat: den 15 februari 200113:49
Till: Orion-Interest
mne: RE: Not authorized toview this page

   Ifound the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml
supplied in thetutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also
had to renameindex.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have
these hasslesconsidering that were talking about a comercial product.  
 -Original Message-
From: Magnus Rydin  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001  6:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: SV: Not authorized      to view this page

 Are the pages protected? 
Have you  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? 
What version of Orion are you running? 
More  information needed. 
WR   -Ursprungligt meddelande- 
 Frn: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  
 Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05 
 Till: Orion-Interest 
 mne: Not  authorized to view this page 
 
 
 I get the message 'Not authorized      to view this page' when 
 trying to run  the 
 addressbook example from the CMP primer. I  believe Orion is working 
 correctly as I can run  the orion-primer example. Any help 
 much  appreciated. 
 
  
 
 Come on !! Someone  must have had a similar problem, I'm 
 running  Orion on Win 
 NT workstation 
 trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not  
 have access to 
  something on my own machine ?? 
  
 I've tried loging in as admin (normal account  should have admin
rights 
 anyway !) no  difference. If any Orion support people monitor this
list 
 please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to  
 deploying it within a 
 10 server cluster ($$$). 
  
 regards, 
 Scott.  
 


 





Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Tim Endres

 Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
 believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
 pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

I wanted to follow up and expound on this last parenthetical comment.

I can't say enough about being able to run our entire application on a single
Win98 box! It means that we can setup a demo on a portable PC, and have a
marketing person show up at a meeting and run a full demo from that portable.
We do not need an internet connection, nor a $10,000 machine.

Also, this means that developers can take work home with them, and not worry
about their connection to the office. It also means that developers can work
complete independent of each other, without stepping on eachother with every
little change to the deployment.

If Orion were used only for development and demos, and your application was
then deployed on a different app server, I think it is worth the $1500!

tim.





Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Ernst de Haan

Hi,

I would like to express my happiness wrt the fact that Orion is 100% pure Java
code (not the TM-version of that term, perhaps) so it runs on my FreeBSD box
too, with different JDKs (including FreeBSD JDK 1.2.2b10, Sun Linux JDK
1.3.0/1.3.0_01, Blackdown JDK 1.2, etc.)

Actually we plan bringing our J2EE application server online in a few months
on a FreeBSD box. It may not have the best Java implementation available, but
we've run our prototypes on it for months, without any problems (no crashes
whatsoever).

Thanks guys! (hail hail!)   ;)

--
Ernst


Tim Endres wrote:
  Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
  believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
  pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).
 
 I wanted to follow up and expound on this last parenthetical comment.
 
 I can't say enough about being able to run our entire application on a single
 Win98 box! It means that we can setup a demo on a portable PC, and have a
 marketing person show up at a meeting and run a full demo from that portable.
 We do not need an internet connection, nor a $10,000 machine.
 
 Also, this means that developers can take work home with them, and not worry
 about their connection to the office. It also means that developers can work
 complete independent of each other, without stepping on eachother with every
 little change to the deployment.
 
 If Orion were used only for development and demos, and your application was
 then deployed on a different app server, I think it is worth the $1500!
 
 tim.
 
 
 




RE: VS.: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Kemp Randy-W18971

The difference is very simple: there is no real difference -- no time out version, 
limited version, etc., that is found with other commercial products, which is a nice 
feature indeed.  If you are a developer or not making a profit, then you don't incur a 
license fee.  If you set up a school to teach java, for example, and use Orion but 
don't deploy the created beans on an Orion server to make money, it is non commercial.
   Orion has no plans to become open source, due to what they call a condition of the 
J2EE agreement with Sun.  This view has been supported in the letter archives of 
openEJB (www.openejb.org), which I shared a while back.  But another person from this 
list mentioned the terms of the J2EE document or agreement are vague.  From a 
practical standpoint, related projects like Tomcat, Resin, Jboss, Jonas, Enhydra, and 
openejb benefit from being open source, and I have an added level of security running 
Orion in a production environment.  If something breaks, and no one from a mailing 
list or support staff can help -- if I have some savvy upstairs, then I or someone 
from where I work can fix it ourselves.

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Munis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:06 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: SV: Not authorized to view this page



What's the difference between the commercial version of orion and the
standard version (version anyone can download? Are there some disable
features in the standard version ? When is orion going to be open source ?.

thanks -Original Message-
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:20 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page


Like most "semi-open" products, the old saying, "You get what you pay for"
applies somewhat with Orion; however, considering you pay nothing for the
developer license and the developer license is infinite, it's a bargain.

There may not be much documentation, but this friendly orion-interest forum
is generally much more responsive and accurate than the support I've
experienced from WebLogic, WebSphere and IPlanet support.  The vendors
(BEA, IBM, and Sun) are much more likely to hide critical problems from
developers.

Note that these other products range in retail price from around $10,000
(WebLogic and WebSphere) to $35,000 (IPlanet) US dollars PER CPU, not the
bargain price of $1500 PER PLATFORM for Orion.  The total cost for IPlanet
on a 64-processor Sun E-1 would be a over $2 million (not including the
database)!

These costs do not include the backend database.  HypersonicSQL is totally
free and is also totally Java, though it may be going through a transition
regarding support and future maintenance.  I've seen that many Orion users
have had success with another open database, PostgreSQL, that offers
commercial (for a price) support.

Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).

Orion also compares very well when you consider that some of the grossly
overpriced products do not even support EAR and WAR files directly.

Other great features include automatic reconfiguration when XML config
files are changed, automatic detection and deployment of new/changed WAR
and EAR files, and the ability to develop enterprise and web applications
in directories (in lieu of deploying EAR and WAR files).

I can go on and on.  Say what you will, Orion works for me.  You're welcome
to use the others -- just don't forget to bring your checkbook!

Jay Armstrong
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 10:03 AM 2/16/01 +0100, you wrote:
   Dont  be disapointed at the _product_ because a _tutorial_ lacks some
information  :)-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Frn: Adamson, Scott[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Skickat: den 15 februari 200113:49
Till: Orion-Interest
mne: RE: Not authorized toview this page

   Ifound the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml
supplied in thetutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also
had to renameindex.htm to index.html, a little disapointing to have
these hasslesconsidering that were talking about a comercial product.
 -Original Message-
From: Magnus Rydin  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001  6:24 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: SV: Not authorized      to view this page

 Are the pages protected?
Have you  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app?
What version of Orion are you running?
More  information needed.
WR   -Ursprungligt meddelande-
 Frn: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05
 Till: Orion-Interest
 mne: Not  authorized to view this page


 I get the message 'Not authorized      to view this page'

Re: SV: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-16 Thread Ernst de Haan

Hi,

I would like to express my happiness wrt the fact that Orion is 100% pure Java
code (not the TM-version of that term, perhaps) so it runs on my FreeBSD box
too, with different JDKs (including FreeBSD JDK 1.2.2b10, Sun Linux JDK
1.3.0/1.3.0_01, Blackdown JDK 1.2, etc.)

Actually we plan bringing our J2EE application server online in a few months
on a FreeBSD box. It may not have the best Java implementation available, but
we've run our prototypes on it for months, without any problems (no crashes
whatsoever).

Thanks guys! (hail hail!)   ;)

--
Ernst


Tim Endres wrote:
  Orion's performance relative to other J2EE products is debatable, but I
  believe it is at the very top, if not the fastest.  In addition, Orion is
  pure Java, so it is very portable (I actually develop on my Win98 laptop).
 
 I wanted to follow up and expound on this last parenthetical comment.
 
 I can't say enough about being able to run our entire application on a single
 Win98 box! It means that we can setup a demo on a portable PC, and have a
 marketing person show up at a meeting and run a full demo from that portable.
 We do not need an internet connection, nor a $10,000 machine.
 
 Also, this means that developers can take work home with them, and not worry
 about their connection to the office. It also means that developers can work
 complete independent of each other, without stepping on eachother with every
 little change to the deployment.
 
 If Orion were used only for development and demos, and your application was
 then deployed on a different app server, I think it is worth the $1500!
 
 tim.
 
 
 




RE: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-15 Thread Adamson, Scott
Title: SV: Not authorized to view this page



I 
found the problem, it seem that the global-web-application.xml supplied in the 
tutorial didn't have an entry for html, I added it. Also had to rename index.htm 
to index.html, a little disapointing to have these hassles considering that were 
talking about a comercial product.

  -Original Message-From: Magnus Rydin 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 
  6:24 PMTo: Orion-InterestSubject: SV: Not authorized to 
  view this page
  Are the pages protected? Have you 
  added a entry to your principals.xml for the app? What 
  version of Orion are you running? More information 
  needed. WR 
   -Ursprungligt meddelande-  Från: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Skickat: den 14 februari 2001 16:05  Till: Orion-Interest  Ämne: Not 
  authorized to view this pageI get the message 'Not authorized to 
  view this page' when  trying to run the 
   addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion 
  is working  correctly as I can run the 
  orion-primer example. Any help  much 
  appreciated.   
Come on !! Someone 
  must have had a similar problem, I'm  running 
  Orion on Win  NT workstation  trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not 
   have access to  
  something on my own machine ??  
   I've tried loging in as admin (normal account 
  should have admin rights  anyway !) no difference. 
  If any Orion support people monitor this list  
  please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to  deploying it within a  10 server 
  cluster ($$$).   regards,  Scott.   


Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-14 Thread Adamson, Scott

I get the message 'Not authorized to view this page' when trying to run the
addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion is working
correctly as I can run the orion-primer example. Any help much appreciated.



Come on !! Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm running Orion on Win
NT workstation
trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not have access to
something on my own machine ??

I've tried loging in as admin (normal account should have admin rights
anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list
please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to deploying it within a
10 server cluster ($$$).

regards,
Scott. 





RE: Not authorized to view this page

2001-02-14 Thread Bronwen Cassidy

I have not looked at this but have a look at your permissions set in as
security-role in your ejb-jar.xml also you can change global permissions
in orion/config/principals.xml
Bronwen

-Original Message-
From: Adamson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 February 2001 00:05
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Not authorized to view this page


I get the message 'Not authorized to view this page' when trying to run the
addressbook example from the CMP primer. I believe Orion is working
correctly as I can run the orion-primer example. Any help much appreciated.



Come on !! Someone must have had a similar problem, I'm running Orion on Win
NT workstation
trying to access the pge from the same machine, how can I not have access to
something on my own machine ??

I've tried loging in as admin (normal account should have admin rights
anyway !) no difference. If any Orion support people monitor this list
please help as I'm evaluating Orion with the view to deploying it within a
10 server cluster ($$$).

regards,
Scott.