Re: Re: IIS, Orion, virtual host
Dear Jeff Hubbach, Thanks for your advice. 01-4-27 0:00:00 You had said£º Paul, I'm sorry to say that I have no experience with IIS and configuration issues therein. I do know thorugh experience and education that each IP has it's own set of ports. That's why I gave my advice below. If you are trying to do something similar to Oliver (run Orion on a different IP but same port as IIS), then I would recommend trying my suggestion below. If you think you have IIS configured to only listen to one IP, then start it up and try accessing the second IP on the same port. If the IIS web site comes up, then it is configured to listen to ALL IPs on the box. I would read the documentation on IIS at this point. From what little I know of IIS, there are some pretty big security holes in it, which I guess if you keep up with the patches can be dealt with... Sorry I could't give you more hands-on experience. Jeff Hubbach. On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 9:59:41 +0800 paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jeff Hubbach, Can you send some detail info about IIS set? 01-4-25 12:54:00 You had said£º Each IP has it's own ports. Therefore, you could have Apache listening on port 80 of IP A, IIS listening on port 80 of IP B, and Orion listening on port 80 of IP C. It sounds like you don't have IIS configured to listen to only one of the IPs, so it's binding to both. If you browse to the IP that you want to run Orion on, does it bring up the IIS site? just curious... Jeff Hubbach. Ron van Pol wrote: Seems to me that there can run only one process on a particular port. Once IIS is already running on port 80 Orion will be unable to bind to that port since it is already in use by IIS. Same goes if you start orion before IIS. IP Then IIS, will not be able to start since Orion already has port 80 in use. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of olivier Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: IIS, Orion, virtual host Hi, For some reason, I have set 2 IP addresse to my machine (NT). x.x.x.20 and x.x.x.21. (modification in the connection setting and the hosts file) I have configured IIs to use x.20, on port 80, and Orion x.21 on port 80. Is is because the port are the same that I can't start both of them at the same time (they complain that the address is in use). Or is it possible and I don't know how to do it ??? Thanks, olivier -- Jeff Hubbach Internet Developer New Media Designs, Inc. www.nmd.com Sincerely, paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: IIS, Orion, virtual host
I must confess I was incorrect about the port issue. I had forgotten that I had moved my IIS to a different port when Orion was running. But I found the solution to the issue as well. Seems IIS listens on all IP by default even if you tell it to only listen on one port. The following tells how to disable this behaviour. I have tested it and it works. Thanks, Ron White PS. Please forward to the Orion list since my mailserver can't seem to find it. Socket Pooling, Performance, and Security Issues You might want to disable socket pooling if any of the following are true: You are not hosting a large number of sites. You have special security concerns. Socket pooling will cause IIS 5.0 to listen to all IP addresses, which might present a possible security risk for secure domains with multiple networks. In addition, both bandwidth throttling and performance adjustments will apply to all Web sites configured for the same port, for example port 80. If you intend to use bandwidth throttling or do performance tuning on a per-site basis, you will need to disable socket pooling. To disable socket pooling, type the following at the command prompt: cscript c:\inetpub\adminscripts\adsutil.vbs set w3svc/disablesocketpooling true The command prompt will reply: disablesocketpooling : (BOOLEAN) True Thanks, Ron White
RE: Re: IIS, Orion, virtual host
Out of curiosity: Jeff, are you using a multi-homed machine? So far I have not run across a network driver that filters all incoming packets from a single network card to resolve them into various IPs, but I'm always open to learn of new stuff. One network adapter - one IPaddress (although I've heard of drivers which send out fake IPs, but can't receive them) --peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of olivier Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: IIS, Orion, virtual host Hi, For some reason, I have set 2 IP addresse to my machine (NT). x.x.x.20 and x.x.x.21. (modification in the connection setting and the hosts file) I have configured IIs to use x.20, on port 80, and Orion x.21 on port 80. Is is because the port are the same that I can't start both of them at the same time (they complain that the address is in use). Or is it possible and I don't know how to do it ??? Thanks, olivier -- Jeff Hubbach Internet Developer New Media Designs, Inc. www.nmd.com Sincerely, paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: IIS, Orion, virtual host
Just started subscribing to the interest group. Forgive me if talking nonsense, as I've not even used Orion yet, but I can definitely run IIS 5.0 and Apache web server on the same machine (virtual hosts setup for apache, IIS as the 'real' machine name). They both listen on port 80, and I can access home pages via a browser successfully. IIS 5.0 listens on port 80 by default (set in the website application settings - I don't know what happens if the port is left blank though!). Apache listens on *all* ports by default, but I've configured my virtual hosts to also listen on port 80. Therefore, it is my opinion that multiple web servers can be started on the same TCP port (for different, even virtual, IP addresses). Once I start using Orion, I'll let you know if I can run both at the same time successfully. Regards, Iain. - Original Message - From: elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: RE: Re: IIS, Orion, virtual host Peter, this is from Kabir's book Red Hat Linux 7 Server, page 214, The first step in creating an IP alias is to determine if you have the IP alias module loaded with the kernel [ip_alias.o]... In linux you can definetly use multiple ip addresses with a single network interface card. If one operating system can do it, I bet the others can also. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of cybermaster Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:06 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Re: IIS, Orion, virtual host Out of curiosity: Jeff, are you using a multi-homed machine? So far I have not run across a network driver that filters all incoming packets from a single network card to resolve them into various IPs, but I'm always open to learn of new stuff. One network adapter - one IPaddress (although I've heard of drivers which send out fake IPs, but can't receive them) --peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of olivier Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: IIS, Orion, virtual host Hi, For some reason, I have set 2 IP addresse to my machine (NT). x.x.x.20 and x.x.x.21. (modification in the connection setting and the hosts file) I have configured IIs to use x.20, on port 80, and Orion x.21 on port 80. Is is because the port are the same that I can't start both of them at the same time (they complain that the address is in use). Or is it possible and I don't know how to do it ??? Thanks, olivier -- Jeff Hubbach Internet Developer New Media Designs, Inc. www.nmd.com Sincerely, paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: IIS, Orion, virtual host
Dear Jeff Hubbach, Can you send some detail info about IIS set? 01-4-25 12:54:00 You had said£º Each IP has it's own ports. Therefore, you could have Apache listening on port 80 of IP A, IIS listening on port 80 of IP B, and Orion listening on port 80 of IP C. It sounds like you don't have IIS configured to listen to only one of the IPs, so it's binding to both. If you browse to the IP that you want to run Orion on, does it bring up the IIS site? just curious... Jeff Hubbach. Ron van Pol wrote: Seems to me that there can run only one process on a particular port. Once IIS is already running on port 80 Orion will be unable to bind to that port since it is already in use by IIS. Same goes if you start orion before IIS. Then IIS, will not be able to start since Orion already has port 80 in use. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of olivier Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:51 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: IIS, Orion, virtual host Hi, For some reason, I have set 2 IP addresse to my machine (NT). x.x.x.20 and x.x.x.21. (modification in the connection setting and the hosts file) I have configured IIs to use x.20, on port 80, and Orion x.21 on port 80. Is is because the port are the same that I can't start both of them at the same time (they complain that the address is in use). Or is it possible and I don't know how to do it ??? Thanks, olivier -- Jeff Hubbach Internet Developer New Media Designs, Inc. www.nmd.com Sincerely, paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
