RE: Apache and Orion
For those that access PL/SQL through the application server (Oracle 9iAS), there is mod_plsql for Apache. Is there an equivalent for OrionServer? I do not believe that there is so those users would still need to rely on Apache. -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:52 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Apache and Orion So why use Apache? The Orionserver will serve up static http pages...I've looked and tehre are no issues I can see that Orion won't handle with regards the content 9i and the v.11/12 Oracle Apps... This is not meant as a criticism or flame...it's for my info, as I also support Oracle and have no prob running w/ just the OrionServer (w/ out Apache). Of course, all my apps are written to run that way. What does Apache do for Oracle that Orion can't do better? Michael J. Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gurinder Randhawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Apache and Orion I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
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Bonjour, Je serai absent jusqu'au30 juillet 2001.En cas d'urgence, vous pouvez contacter mon assistante Stéphanie Vikar. Tél: 01.47.62.23.24 - e-mail:sté[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cordialement, -- Philippe ELINCK Oracle +33 1 47 62 29 28 +33 6 07 34 06 08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Votre accès privilégié à l'information technologique d'Oracle Your definitive source for Oracle technical information Oracle Technology Network http://technet.oracle.com/ For those that access PL/SQL through the application server (Oracle 9iAS), there is mod_plsql for Apache. Is there an equivalent for OrionServer? I do not believe that there is so those users would still need to rely on Apache. -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:52 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Apache and Orion So why use Apache? The Orionserver will serve up static http pages...I've looked and tehre are no issues I can see that Orion won't handle with regards the content 9i and the v.11/12 Oracle Apps... This is not meant as a criticism or flame...it's for my info, as I also support Oracle and have no prob running w/ just the OrionServer (w/ out Apache). Of course, all my apps are written to run that way. What does Apache do for Oracle that Orion can't do better? Michael J. Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gurinder Randhawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Apache and Orion I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
Re: Apache and Orion
ciao yes can divide your site urls in urls needing j2ee, these are proxyed by apache to oc4j (orion) and those asking for pl/sql code passing through using mod_pl/sql to the DB for execution (pure pl/sql code generating html code) or retrieval of the page skeleton from the DB and execution/ page resolution performed by a particular servlet (parallelservlet page engine) running on jserv (Portal) . ciao Paolo Klonicki, Stephen A wrote: For those that access PL/SQL through the application server (Oracle 9iAS), there is mod_plsql for Apache. Is there an equivalent for OrionServer? I do not believe that there is so those users would still need to rely on Apache. -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:52 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Apache and Orion So why use Apache? The Orionserver will serve up static http pages...I've looked and tehre are no issues I can see that Orion won't handle with regards the content 9i and the v.11/12 Oracle Apps... This is not meant as a criticism or flame...it's for my info, as I also support Oracle and have no prob running w/ just the OrionServer (w/ out Apache). Of course, all my apps are written to run that way. What does Apache do for Oracle that Orion can't do better? Michael J. Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gurinder Randhawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Apache and Orion I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder begin:vcard n:ramasso;paolo x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fn:paolo ramasso end:vcard
RE: Apache and Orion
Yes. I was responding to messages regarding Oracle's 9iAS asking if Apache is even necessary if orionserver can serve up web pages. If you are using pl/sql then you will need Apache/mod_plsql. orionserver alone will not work. Regards, Steve Klonicki -Original Message- From: Paolo Ramasso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:40 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Apache and Orion ciao yes can divide your site urls in urls needing j2ee, these are proxyed by apache to oc4j (orion) and those asking for pl/sql code passing through using mod_pl/sql to the DB for execution (pure pl/sql code generating html code) or retrieval of the page skeleton from the DB and execution/ page resolution performed by a particular servlet (parallelservlet page engine) running on jserv (Portal) . ciao Paolo Klonicki, Stephen A wrote: For those that access PL/SQL through the application server (Oracle 9iAS), there is mod_plsql for Apache. Is there an equivalent for OrionServer? I do not believe that there is so those users would still need to rely on Apache. -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:52 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Apache and Orion So why use Apache? The Orionserver will serve up static http pages...I've looked and tehre are no issues I can see that Orion won't handle with regards the content 9i and the v.11/12 Oracle Apps... This is not meant as a criticism or flame...it's for my info, as I also support Oracle and have no prob running w/ just the OrionServer (w/ out Apache). Of course, all my apps are written to run that way. What does Apache do for Oracle that Orion can't do better? Michael J. Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gurinder Randhawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Apache and Orion I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
RE: Apache and Orion
I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
Re: Apache and Orion
So why use Apache? The Orionserver will serve up static http pages...I've looked and tehre are no issues I can see that Orion won't handle with regards the content 9i and the v.11/12 Oracle Apps... This is not meant as a criticism or flame...it's for my info, as I also support Oracle and have no prob running w/ just the OrionServer (w/ out Apache). Of course, all my apps are written to run that way. What does Apache do for Oracle that Orion can't do better? Michael J. Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gurinder Randhawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Apache and Orion I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
RE: Apache and Orion
a resend... -Original Message- From: elephantwalker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:15 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Apache and Orion One radical suggestion... 1. orion serves up static content much faster than Apache. Drop Apache altogether. I know that Oracle doesn't recommend this, but that's because they have a vested interest in their other solution. 2. Use an ssl accelerator card. For example, sonicwall has an excellent card. The loadbalancer from Orion doesn't yet support ssl (docs say it does, but they are wrong). 3. If you must use apache, use the tunneling survlet. regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:10 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Apache and Orion I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
RE: Apache and Orion
Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
