Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
my advice is, don't rely on official tags like stable or unstable. download each version and do your testing with your application(s). during the past 2 years of working with orion sometimes the more serious bugs were in stable sometimes in unstable versions. just my 2c On Thursday 28 March 2002 20:44, you wrote: , Hello, Does anybody know if 1.5.5 (full EJB 2.0) will be considered a stable version? Actually, let me ask the full question: Is there any correlation between Orion's version number and whether it is considered stable or unstable? Is their concept of stability just what they recommend based on the number and severity of the known bugs? I'm still evaluating Orion and I'm trying to decide whether I should look at 1.5.2 or 1.5.4. If 1.5.5 is going to be something more than a beta-quality release (the M-N relationship bug is big enough to say beta, IMO) and it will be out within 3-4 months, then I wouldn't hesitate to look at 1.5.4. Otherwise, I'd have to limit my evaluation to 1.5.2. Thanks, Michael
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:09:47PM -0800, Ray Harrison wrote: Moving among different app servers, I still use ejb-ql functionality in the ejb-jar.xml file, its just that when it is deployed on Orion, I have to add the finder functionality to the orion-ejb-jar.xml file. I think in 1.5.4, it deploys, it just doesn't do anything. That sounds like a sensible idea. Tried a simple pair of CMP beans with a one to many relationship, and the finders haven't picked up the EJB-QL at all in the orion-ejb-jar.xml file (as other people have pointed out on this list) Thanks for the tip. Cheers, Simon -- There is a little place in the jumbled sock drawer of my heart where you match up all the pairs, throw out the ones with holes in them, and buy me some of those neat dressy ones with the weird black and red geometrical designs on them.
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
Is it possible to use SSL with the EJB container of the Orion server? For example the client is a standalone Java application that makes only RMI-IIOP calls to EJB-s (no JSP, no servlets, no HTML involved) in the EJB container. And I want to do this with security in mind, for example using SSL. Is it possible? (I read that it is possible to use SSL with simple RMI applications, or with a web application in the Orion server, but I would like to use Orion server's EJB container only...). Thanks for helping.
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
, Hello, Does anybody know if 1.5.5 (full EJB 2.0) will be considered a stable version? Actually, let me ask the full question: Is there any correlation between Orion's version number and whether it is considered stable or unstable? Is their concept of stability just what they recommend based on the number and severity of the known bugs? I'm still evaluating Orion and I'm trying to decide whether I should look at 1.5.2 or 1.5.4. If 1.5.5 is going to be something more than a beta-quality release (the M-N relationship bug is big enough to say beta, IMO) and it will be out within 3-4 months, then I wouldn't hesitate to look at 1.5.4. Otherwise, I'd have to limit my evaluation to 1.5.2. Thanks, Michael On Tuesday 26 March 2002 04:36 pm, you wrote: sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. I understand from some Oracle types that ejb-ql will be out later this summer. many-many is broken in 1.5.4, but Magnus et al indicate its fixed in bugzilla for 1.5.5 regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Maurer Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:18 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Orion EJB 2.0 final Hi, does anyone know when Orion will be 100% EJB 2.0 compatible including local/remote inerfaces EJB-QL ... Michael -- Michael Crozier Conducive Technology Corporation First we were Sight Sound, then we were Datalex, and temporarily Framework Technology. http://www.conducivetech.com Michael Crozier, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 503.445.4233 Fax: 503.274.0939
Re: [orion-interest]Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
I think stable versions are declared when a version has been out for a while and doesn't do things like blow up unexpectly. Many people will run the development versions of orion on production boxes, since they provide many bugfixes over the last known 'stable' version. Of course, this is assuming you stay away from features which aren't necessarily as stable as the rest of the server (eg, you could use 1.5.4 and stay away from any n-m problems). 1.5.5 will be out soon (not a matter of months), but in the meantime I'd strongly recommend you use 1.5.4 rather than 1.5.2, as it has very many bugfixes and enhancements. There's no correlation between version numbers and development vs stable releases. On 28/3/02 2:44 pm, Michael Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , Hello, Does anybody know if 1.5.5 (full EJB 2.0) will be considered a stable version? Actually, let me ask the full question: Is there any correlation between Orion's version number and whether it is considered stable or unstable? Is their concept of stability just what they recommend based on the number and severity of the known bugs? I'm still evaluating Orion and I'm trying to decide whether I should look at 1.5.2 or 1.5.4. If 1.5.5 is going to be something more than a beta-quality release (the M-N relationship bug is big enough to say beta, IMO) and it will be out within 3-4 months, then I wouldn't hesitate to look at 1.5.4. Otherwise, I'd have to limit my evaluation to 1.5.2. Thanks, Michael On Tuesday 26 March 2002 04:36 pm, you wrote: sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. I understand from some Oracle types that ejb-ql will be out later this summer. many-many is broken in 1.5.4, but Magnus et al indicate its fixed in bugzilla for 1.5.5 regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Maurer Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:18 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Orion EJB 2.0 final Hi, does anyone know when Orion will be 100% EJB 2.0 compatible including local/remote inerfaces EJB-QL ... Michael
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 04:36:44PM -0800, The elephantwalker wrote: sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. Silly question, but doesn't this make writing EJB 2.0 CMP beans a little tricky? And if it's not too far off topic, how does JBoss compare? Cheers, Simon -- Dark under floor, hard to read, script is -- Yoda
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
Simon - No its not tricky, I write them all the time. Orion has always had a rather sophisticated finder mechanism to provide (at least) some of the functionality of ejb-ql. And I haven't worked with the JBoss 3.0 beta so I can't comment there. Cheers Ray --- Simon Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 04:36:44PM -0800, The elephantwalker wrote: sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. Silly question, but doesn't this make writing EJB 2.0 CMP beans a little tricky? And if it's not too far off topic, how does JBoss compare? Cheers, Simon -- Dark under floor, hard to read, script is -- Yoda __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
Apologies, I probably didn't make myself sufficiently clear. With EJB 2.0, aren't finder queries meant to be specified in the ejb-jar.xml file using EJB-QL? Consequently, Orions's lack of support for EJB-QL means that it's currently not possible to write portable CMP EJBs. Yes, I realise that you can get the orion-ejb-jar.xml file and edit the finders in that, but one of the touted benefits of the latest release of J2EE is that CMP is now a lot more portable between app servers, and doing that destroys this benefit. Or have I missed something? Still finding my feet with J2EE programming, so if anyone wants to set me straight, I'd appreciate it. On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 04:07:43AM -0800, Ray Harrison wrote: Simon - No its not tricky, I write them all the time. Orion has always had a rather= sophisticated finder mechanism to provide (at least) some of the functionality of ejb-ql. And I = haven't worked with the JBoss 3.0 beta so I can't comment there. Cheers Ray --- Simon Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 04:36:44PM -0800, The elephantwalker wrote: sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. Silly question, but doesn't this make writing EJB 2.0 CMP beans a little tricky? And if it's not too far off topic, how does JBoss compare? Cheers, Simon -- dngor Every little bit of seaweed kelps.
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
Moving among different app servers, I still use ejb-ql functionality in the ejb-jar.xml file, its just that when it is deployed on Orion, I have to add the finder functionality to the orion-ejb-jar.xml file. I think in 1.5.4, it deploys, it just doesn't do anything. Cheers Ray --- Simon Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies, I probably didn't make myself sufficiently clear. With EJB 2.0, aren't finder queries meant to be specified in the ejb-jar.xml file using EJB-QL? Consequently, Orions's lack of support for EJB-QL means that it's currently not possible to write portable CMP EJBs. Yes, I realise that you can get the orion-ejb-jar.xml file and edit the finders in that, but one of the touted benefits of the latest release of J2EE is that CMP is now a lot more portable between app servers, and doing that destroys this benefit. Or have I missed something? Still finding my feet with J2EE programming, so if anyone wants to set me straight, I'd appreciate it. On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 04:07:43AM -0800, Ray Harrison wrote: Simon - No its not tricky, I write them all the time. Orion has always had a rather sophisticated finder mechanism to provide (at least) some of the functionality of ejb-ql. And I haven't worked with the JBoss 3.0 beta so I can't comment there. Cheers Ray --- Simon Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 04:36:44PM -0800, The elephantwalker wrote: sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. Silly question, but doesn't this make writing EJB 2.0 CMP beans a little tricky? And if it's not too far off topic, how does JBoss compare? Cheers, Simon -- dngor Every little bit of seaweed kelps. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/
RE: Orion EJB 2.0 final
Simon, An Oracle manager told me last November that they wouldn't have ejb-ql until the summer, but Oracle is saying this is out in the _latest_ jdeveloper version. Getting a handle on which version is actually released by Oracle and which is early access is a bit dodgy. IIOP is also supposed to be in the latest early access version of Oracle. The other vendors play similar games, as I don't believe weblogic 7.0 is yet _released_. Ironflare is much more clear on this point, since Ironflare's website clearly indicates that 1.5.2 only meets ejb 1.1 with some support for ejb 2.0 public draft (this is ancient in j2ee time, since the pd was out _two_ years ago), and the changes.txt of the 1.5.4 experimental version indicates conformance with features of ejb 2.0, but does not mention total compatibility with ejb 2.0. If you have a test ejb with ejb-ql (say from Ed Roman's book), why don't you test it out in this latest version from Oracle oc4j or 1.5.4. It may work. regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Simon Stewart Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:20 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final Apologies, I probably didn't make myself sufficiently clear. With EJB 2.0, aren't finder queries meant to be specified in the ejb-jar.xml file using EJB-QL? Consequently, Orions's lack of support for EJB-QL means that it's currently not possible to write portable CMP EJBs. Yes, I realise that you can get the orion-ejb-jar.xml file and edit the finders in that, but one of the touted benefits of the latest release of J2EE is that CMP is now a lot more portable between app servers, and doing that destroys this benefit. Or have I missed something? Still finding my feet with J2EE programming, so if anyone wants to set me straight, I'd appreciate it. On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 04:07:43AM -0800, Ray Harrison wrote: Simon - No its not tricky, I write them all the time. Orion has always had a rather= sophisticated finder mechanism to provide (at least) some of the functionality of ejb-ql. And I = haven't worked with the JBoss 3.0 beta so I can't comment there. Cheers Ray --- Simon Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 04:36:44PM -0800, The elephantwalker wrote: sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. Silly question, but doesn't this make writing EJB 2.0 CMP beans a little tricky? And if it's not too far off topic, how does JBoss compare? Cheers, Simon -- dngor Every little bit of seaweed kelps.
RE: Orion EJB 2.0 final
sans ejb-ql, 1.5.4 is compatible. I understand from some Oracle types that ejb-ql will be out later this summer. many-many is broken in 1.5.4, but Magnus et al indicate its fixed in bugzilla for 1.5.5 regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Maurer Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:18 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Orion EJB 2.0 final Hi, does anyone know when Orion will be 100% EJB 2.0 compatible including local/remote inerfaces EJB-QL ... Michael
Re: Orion EJB 2.0 final
At 12:17 PM 3/25/2002, you wrote: Hi, does anyone know when Orion will be 100% EJB 2.0 compatible including local/remote inerfaces EJB-QL ... Michael I would just be happy with the JMS working correctly, have the JMS message types don't work at all! This includes most of the really neat stuff in the MDB spec, which is missing!
