Re: [osdcmy] Share your story and become famous

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Thanks sifu. 
As I mentioned before, I'm on behalf of IT personnel in government would like 
to invite you, with your beautiful maskot on our seminar, and insyaAllah, we 
will send you an email from our head of IT in government. 
Love to hear your philosophy, eventhough I will not be the same as you, full of 
knowledge and skill, but I do hope we in the government can get the spirit and 
benefit from your experience. 
Salam sayang dari Putrajaya ke Kuang. Haha 
P/S : Petang ni saya balik Kuang selepas kelas
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Whatever you do there must be a story. Particularly in FOSS work there 
are lots of oops and aahhs. Writing about it online can be one way to 
create contribution as someone someday will hit your same oohs and aahhs 
and when they google for it, they read your story.  For me it has 
brought me around the world to the most exotic spots and meet the most 
beautiful people.
Today this morning i wrote another piece 
http://red1empire.blogspot.com/2012/06/idempiere-windows-installer.html
I hope my advice here helps those of you out there who knows, might feel 
FOSS work is limited or at a dead end.

Peace!
red1

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Ingin Menjadi Pembangun Perisian Bebas diiktiraf Jerman?

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

"Belajar adalah mengajar" ~ Saidina Ali

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Jerman?

why tak logic ? saya passed both on merit. gcse a-level special paper pun
boleh dapat distinction. dan tak semesti yg dapat A1 atau grad top 50
university lebih bijak dari org yg lebih berusaha dan lebih berpengalaman.
dan tak semestinya yg lebih berpengalaman lebih baik dari freshie ;-) yang
penting semangat kental untuk usaha sampai jaya.

saya sampai sekarang masih belajar dari semua orang tak kira yg lebih
senior ataupun yg junior.



On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:29 PM, red1  wrote:

> Cik Jerman itu pun pakar matematik kerana dia mengajar pelajar di
> Universiti subjek tu. Dia pun nak tunjuk koding padahal saya suruh jangan.
> Macamana nak sifu anjurkan bergu dengan dia jika kalah nanti? Malu lah
> sifu. hehe..
>
> Anyway i tahu asking for Double A1 is really tak lojik. Jika lu olang dah
> teror macam tu, takkan lah nak keje aprentis FOSS, betul tak? Mesti
> Petronas dah angkat hantar ntah mana dah. But then who knows, some of you
> got some kinda passion and wana kick big ass kerana ERP boleh ganti SAP
> yang Petronas tengah pakai tu - ratusan million USD lah tu. :)
>
>
> On 6/12/12 2:30 PM, [HM] wrote:
>
>> Pelajar tempatan? Means utk student shj? Those who currently employed
>> tak boleh apply??
>>
>> (tapi, still tak lepas merit Math&  English tu)
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2:13 pm, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
>>   wrote:
>>
>>
>>> 2012/6/11 red1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Serious Flaws of the Computer Professionals Bill,

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Haaa. BMW? Bukan Mercedes ke bro?
Lexus pun ada rasanya. Kkekee
By the way, good luck bro red1!

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Well.. there are still lots of challenges ahead for me. But the main 
stumbling block is actually my own skillsets. I cannot just be good in 
anything. I have to be really good in something. And not think too much 
of anything else for a while. Not even sex :)

I rembered long ago when the government wanted to make bumiputras good 
in selling burgers. It was a vast failure of millions not because they 
cannot sell burgers. But they were buying BMWs.

Think about it for a second. :)

On 12/12/11 3:52 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
> Hi,
>
> @Red
> 'good on you' as the Aussies would say, you are doing good.
>
> You're right in a way, with the Bill, its giving us a pretty clear 
> message, lets not rock the boat so the 'old boys' can still get the 
> big contracts, and innovators are not welcome!
>
> One the other hand, MDEC & other gov agancies must have spent a big 
> budget organising Innotech Asia and "Silicon Valley Comes to 
> Malaysia", 2 major events to encourage innovation and attract Venture 
> Capital...
> Policies as stated in the Bill, would have just contradicted the 
> effort of these 2 events...
>

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Re: [osdcmy] Thank you For Attending Distros Workshop #2 and KOSTEM Meeting

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Firdaus Joomla!, ble provide?
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I'm joining in..



On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No 3? Anyone want to be the "Tuan Rumah" :)
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Najah  wrote:
> > +100 to the attendees
> >
> > hope we will get more attendees on the lunching party :D
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera,
> >>
> >> Thank you all for attending Inter Distro Workshop #2 at HackerspaceKL
> >> Saturday 26 Mar 2011.
> >>
> >> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=203868826305228
> >>
> >> Pictures can be view at
> >>
> >> OSDC.my 2nd Inter-Distro Workshop & KOSTEM Meeting 2011
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=10150127647527860&id=554372859&aid=299925
> >>
> >> For
> >>
> >> Malaysia Open Source Community
> >>
> >> http://www.facebook.com/Malaysia.Open.Source.Community
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> KOSTEM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Koperasi-Sumber-Terbuka-Malaysia-Berhad-KOSTEM/204748249536831
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Re: [osdcmy] Asset/Inventory Management Software

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Thanks Mr Haris. 
We learn from your link!!

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http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/en/about/features/ocsng-glpi.html

OCS Inventory NG with GLPI

Used with a IT and Asset Management Software such as open source tool
GLPI, you will have a powerful inventory and asset management software
with automatic updates of computer configuration, license management,
help desk and more.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:05 PM, saiful  wrote:
> my office will implement ocsinventory in 2 week from now =)
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin
>  wrote:
>>
>> I vote for OCSInventory.
>> Client agent can be in Windows, Mac, Linux and mobile device as well.
>> Still in testing phase and will implement in my office soon.
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Re: [osdcmy] Asset/Inventory Management Software

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I vote for OCSInventory. 
Client agent can be in Windows, Mac, Linux and mobile device as well. 
Still in testing phase and will implement in my office soon. 
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Oh, I see. Thanks. I will give it a try and see.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar
wrote:

> OpenERP is modular. You just need to install needed modules without
> unrelated modules. I had install warehouse management for a "stor
> kayu" company before. It works well so far.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:20 AM, TH Chew  wrote:
> > OpenERP is a little bit of overkill, no? I just need the inventory
> > management (warehouse in OpenERP) but not the rest (sales, HR, etc). As
> for
> > ocsinventory, as far as the demo goes, I only see IT-stuff there, not
> sure
> > if it works for non-IT stuff.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Archayl Wizzpunk 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> OpenERP, how? Custom ke?
> >> Sent by DiGi from my BlackBerry® Smartphone
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> >> -Original Message-
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> >>
> >> OpenERP
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:08 AM,   wrote:
> >> > U can try ocsinventory, www.ocsinventory-ng.org
> >> >
> >> > Sent by Maxis from my CrackBerry® smartphone
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > From: TH Chew 
> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:38:00 +0800
> >> > To: 
> >> > ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Subject: [osdcmy] Asset/Inventory Management Software
> >> > Hi guys,
> >> >
> >> > I am looking for an asset/inventory management software, preferably
> open
> >> > source one, to be implemented in our faculty/department. The thing is
> >> > that
> >> > we wanted to keep track of the non-IT stuff (besides the usual IT
> stuff
> >> > like
> >> > computers and printers) as well, such as beakers, chairs, etc. Any
> >> > suggestion?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
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Re: [osdcmy] Looking In The Cloud

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Next september(maybe) would be an event in UIA on OSS and Sabily has been 
invited to give a talk on Linux.
Maybe we can suggest them if they are interested in Cloud Technology.
Just my suggestion.
Tajul Azhar

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Team,

We are going to meet universities, for OEC programs and open source
conference. Cloud like any hardware platform, we need to prepare and
make sure that our students knows how to program and develop in OSS.
:)

Need ideas and support to do this.

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Setuju. Kita boleh approach pensyarah UKM dan DBP. Saya boleh risik-risik 
dengan Munsyi Bahasa. Saya rasa ada seorang Munsyi Bahasa di pejabat saya. 
Pensyarah yang bangunkan DBP punya terjemahan pun berada di UKM. Saya cuba 
tanya jika dia ada idea.
Tajul Azhar

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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

Saya rasa sudah tiba masanya untuk kita duduk sebangku dengan pakar bahasa
dan menjadi lebih berani dalam menyelesaikan masalah ini. Kita perlu berani
berfikir diluar kotak:

Kenapa kita perlukan terjemahan terus atau mengciplak perkataan dari bahasa
lain. Sebagai contoh:

 cable = kabel.

Pada saya contoh klasik diatas adalah bukti dimana pakar-pakar bahasa kita
kekurangan kreativiti dan hanya sekadar mengubah ejaan (so now it becomes a
"Malay word" ).

Kalau pakar-pakar Bahahsa Inggeris boleh memperkenalkan istilah-istilah baru
setiap tahun, kenapa kita tidak?

Kenapa Joystick perlu menjadi "batang gembira". Perkenalkan saja perkataan
baru yang lebih pendek.


Yang Benar,

Zarul Shahrin


2011/3/18 saifuladli ismail 

> kita tak perlu guna perkataan bakar, kita guna perkataan "salin" nota ke
> dalam CD. ok sikit bunyi nya.
>
> 2011/3/17 saiful 
>
>> aku x pernah setuju dengan isitilah yang dianjurkan oleh dbp, still dalam
>> note aku untuk kuliah tetap aku campurkan antara BM dan BI, sesetangah
>> istilah boleh diterjemah dan sesetngahnya sangatlah 'jahil murakkab' sangat
>> untuk dikalihbahasakan.
>>
>> kau nak nota aku? boleh nanti aku "bakar" dan bagi kau satu salinan - :)
>> .. burn-in time (masa bakar mula) aduhai tolonglah...
>>
>> 2011/3/17 darXness darXness 
>>
>>> hmmm...ssh gak nak ckap bab nie.
>>> actually,kalo ade sape2 xtau lg,kami pengajar bhgn ICT nie ssh skit kalo
>>> nak gune BI 100%.nak wat nota,nak wat AS,WS,IS,LP,KA,PA sume2 tu xleh nak
>>> rojak sgt.kalo double click,kene tukr jadik klik 2 kali.cume ade la skit2
>>> term yg xdigalakkn translte sbb riso laen maksd.mcm *firewall.*maybe
>>> kite akn ckp,da tau bljr komp,kene la power BI.itula yg ak slaloo ckp kat
>>> stdnt2.tp kne fhm gak.mostly dorng nie dtg dari kptusan yg xbrape
>>> baek.imagine,kalo kite pndg org msuk ILP n IKBN or mane2 pusat
>>> kemahiran,kite da anggp mcm ntuk stdt2 yg agak lemah,apatah lgi ntuk org2 yg
>>> xlayak pn nak msuk tmpt2 camtu.
>>> yg xboleh membace,menulis pn ade.kene train slow2.nak bleh mmbace menulis
>>> plak,BI mmg hancus.nak solve mende2 camni,kene train asing.bgi nota BM.n
>>> then selit2 BI.baru fhm.dlu2,aku slaloo kondem cik2 ak sal wat nota BM.last2
>>> bile da alami sndiri,tgk level stdnt2 ak,baru la ak fhm.ble ckp right click
>>> pn dorng da confuse.huhu
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin :
>>>
>>> > Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa "rojak"?
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/17 saiful 
>>> >>
>>> >> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>>> >> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg
>>> femes
>>> >> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>>> >>
>>> >> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>>> >>>
>>> >>> kelik dua kali.
>>> >>> :p
>>> >>>
>>> >>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> >>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>> >>> http://syafiq.me
>>> >>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>>> >>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>> 
>>>  salam
>>> 
>>>  apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>>> 
>>>  help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails
>>> application !
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>>> >
>>> > Saudara dan Saudari,
>>> > Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
>>> > Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
>>> > Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak
>>> tahu
>>> > kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton
>>> gambar P.
>>> > Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^
>>> >
>>> > Yang Ikhlas,
>>> > Zarul Shahrin
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Takpe, nanti kita minta dorang tambah.
Rasa banyak kene masuk lagi ni.
Tajul Azhar

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the malay race is doomed !

http://prpm.dbp.gov.my/Search.aspx?k=right+click

there is no malay translation for right click ;-(

by the way, for ipad users, how do you do a right click ? is it tap and hold
?

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Agree with you sifuu.

Tajul Azhar

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Most terms in English remains in English even among Chinese speakers.
I have yet found any Malaysian of Chinese descent who uses Chinese
Windows or Linux or Mac.

Even I can read Chinese, reading IT terms in Chinese is really weird
for me. Dah biasa dgn English.

Eric

2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah :
> ahakss... i am trying to be a total dungu  trying to relearn in another
> language. i wonder what is double-click in chinese or tamil ?
>
> any suggestion for right click ?
>
> i am trying my best to avoid 'tetikus'
>
> wrt to batang cucuk dan main, i think this is an appropriate description of
> a function of abang batang.
>
> also any suggestion for burn cd ? i am using rakamkan pada cd.
>
>
>
> 2011/3/17 saiful 
>>
>> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
>> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>>
>> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>>>
>>> kelik dua kali.
>>> :p
>>>
>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>> http://syafiq.me
>>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 

 salam

 apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?

 help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application !


 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>
> Saudara dan Saudari,
> Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
> Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
> Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu
> kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P.
> Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^
>
> Yang Ikhlas,
> Zarul Shahrin
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Setakat ni, untuk pelajar yang nak buat rujukan tentang terjemahan ke Bahasa 
Inggeris, laman ini diiktiraf sebab dibangunkan oleh UKM secara usahasama 
dengan Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka.
Saya gunakan sebagai rujukan untuk tesis saya dahulu. 
Tajul Azhar

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http://prpm.dbp.gov.my/ juga adalah rujukan terbaik. Rasanya, ada yang boleh
membantu bab-bab terjemahan ini.

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2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 

> agreed with darXness darXness. 1+
>
> محمد شافق بن مذلي
> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
> http://syafiq.me
> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>
>
>
> 2011/3/17 darXness darXness 
>
>> hmmm...ssh gak nak ckap bab nie.
>> actually,kalo ade sape2 xtau lg,kami pengajar bhgn ICT nie ssh skit kalo
>> nak gune BI 100%.nak wat nota,nak wat AS,WS,IS,LP,KA,PA sume2 tu xleh nak
>> rojak sgt.kalo double click,kene tukr jadik klik 2 kali.cume ade la skit2
>> term yg xdigalakkn translte sbb riso laen maksd.mcm *firewall.*maybe kite
>> akn ckp,da tau bljr komp,kene la power BI.itula yg ak slaloo ckp kat
>> stdnt2.tp kne fhm gak.mostly dorng nie dtg dari kptusan yg xbrape
>> baek.imagine,kalo kite pndg org msuk ILP n IKBN or mane2 pusat
>> kemahiran,kite da anggp mcm ntuk stdt2 yg agak lemah,apatah lgi ntuk org2 yg
>> xlayak pn nak msuk tmpt2 camtu.
>> yg xboleh membace,menulis pn ade.kene train slow2.nak bleh mmbace menulis
>> plak,BI mmg hancus.nak solve mende2 camni,kene train asing.bgi nota BM.n
>> then selit2 BI.baru fhm.dlu2,aku slaloo kondem cik2 ak sal wat nota BM.last2
>> bile da alami sndiri,tgk level stdnt2 ak,baru la ak fhm.ble ckp right click
>> pn dorng da confuse.huhu
>>
>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin :
>>
>> > Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa "rojak"?
>> >
>> > 2011/3/17 saiful 
>> >>
>> >> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>> >> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg
>> femes
>> >> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>> >>
>> >> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>> >>>
>> >>> kelik dua kali.
>> >>> :p
>> >>>
>> >>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>> >>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>> >>> http://syafiq.me
>> >>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>> >>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>> 
>>  salam
>> 
>>  apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>> 
>>  help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails
>> application !
>> 
>> 
>>  2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>> >
>> > Saudara dan Saudari,
>> > Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
>> > Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
>> > Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak
>> tahu
>> > kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton
>> gambar P.
>> > Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^
>> >
>> > Yang Ikhlas,
>> > Zarul Shahrin
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Just type in the text box 'Carian Spesifik'. Unless the words is not in the 
list.
Tajul Azhar

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i clicked on the link... but cant find any translation service...



2011/3/17 Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin 

> Mungkin boleh refer di sini : http://prpm.dbp.gov.my
> Istilah pengkomputeran boleh dirujuk. Tapi ada sesetengah tidak bersetuju
> dengan terjemahan Operating System kepada Sistem Pengendali.
>
> Tajul Azhar
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> *Date: *Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:17:16 +0800
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>
> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
>> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>
>
> Peh! kontroversi sungguh ayat itu! Femes! Tapi betul juga. Kalau susah
> untuk diterjemah, mungkin boleh dikekalkan terma ayat itu.
>
> محمد شافق بن مذلي
> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
> http://syafiq.me
> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>
>
>
> 2011/3/17 saiful 
>
>> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>>
>> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
>> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>>
>>> kelik dua kali.
>>>
>>> :p
>>>
>>>
>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>> http://syafiq.me
>>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>>
>>>> salam
>>>>
>>>> apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>>>>
>>>> help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>>>>
>>>>> Saudara dan Saudari,
>>>>>
>>>>> Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
>>>>> Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu
>>>>> kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P.
>>>>> Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yang Ikhlas,
>>>>>
>>>>> Zarul Shahrin
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Plug and play device : Peranti pasang dan pakai
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Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa "rojak"?

2011/3/17 saiful 

> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>
> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>
>
> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>
>> kelik dua kali.
>>
>> :p
>>
>>
>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>> http://syafiq.me
>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>
>>> salam
>>>
>>> apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>>>
>>> help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>>>
 Saudara dan Saudari,

 Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.

 Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
 Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu
 kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P.
 Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^


 Yang Ikhlas,

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

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Mungkin boleh refer di sini : http://prpm.dbp.gov.my
Istilah pengkomputeran boleh dirujuk. Tapi ada sesetengah tidak bersetuju 
dengan terjemahan Operating System kepada Sistem Pengendali.
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>
> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".


Peh! kontroversi sungguh ayat itu! Femes! Tapi betul juga. Kalau susah untuk
diterjemah, mungkin boleh dikekalkan terma ayat itu.

محمد شافق بن مذلي
Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
http://syafiq.me
67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2



2011/3/17 saiful 

> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>
> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>
>
> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>
>> kelik dua kali.
>>
>> :p
>>
>>
>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>> http://syafiq.me
>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>
>>> salam
>>>
>>> apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>>>
>>> help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>>>
 Saudara dan Saudari,

 Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.

 Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
 Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu
 kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P.
 Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^


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Re: [osdcmy] [osdcmy-public] Edaran Sabily Isu 001 - e-zine from Sabily-my

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

InsyaAllah, will do
Tajul Azhar

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Sabily-my

Can its be upload to scribd and slideshare or doctoc to get more exposure.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:58 PM,   wrote:
> Thank you brother.
> On behalf of the Sabily Malaysia Community.
> This majalah is in Bahasa. We will release in English if we have an article
> in English.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Projek dalam OSS di Matrikulasi banyak onar dan duri. Tapi terima kasih harus 
diberikan kepada teman-teman di OSCC (walau dah takde tinggal nama) tapi 
planning dah berjalan selama 3 tahun yang lepas.. Agak perlahan tapi berjalan. 
Tak nak terlalu laju dan banyak issue yang perlu diselesaikan, terutama 
kesedaran dan kelebihan OSS dalam pendidikan pra universiti. 
Anda sendiri adalah pejuang OSS dan saya banyak berjumpa pelajar ex-matrikulasi 
meneruskan perjuangan mereka. Sebab apa? OSS bukan belajar berkenaan teknologi 
sahaja, bahkan berkisar kepada keikhlasan dan perkongisian ilmu yang tiada 
sempadan..
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fuh...gile punye panjang explaination.tp menarik.banyak lgi nak kene
berguru.hurm...
pasal ubuntu n kat Matrikulasi tu,ade betul nyer.sbb skrng nie mostly
matrikulasi ade bljr sal OSS kat sane,lam sabjek sains
informatik.(demn,zaman ak dlu xde la bljr OSS).tp bagi ak,tu satu
perkembangan yang baek.

tp ade 1 soalan,ak xtau la sama ade mnde nie terjadik kat mane2 lam
govt or swasta,tp kdg2 ak rase mcm kdg2 cepat berubah.kdg2,kite
implement stuff baru2,software2 baru,technology baru lam company.tp
sekejap je tahan.mcm xde plan for maybe 10 years.

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> Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1?
> He he
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>
> Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss.
>
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> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04
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>
> The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
> trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
> the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
> branding sendiri.
>
> Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
> sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
> Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
> penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
> maklumat).
>
> Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
> keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
> sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
> Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.
>
> So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
> mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
> Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
> dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
> using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
> wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
> promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
> daripada Ubuntu.
>
> Harap anda dapat maksud saya.
>
> Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
> setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
> Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.
>
> Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
> penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
> software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
> bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
>  Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
> maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
> tidak berhak saman kita pun.
>
> Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
> apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
> Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
> punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
> sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.
>
> Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
> dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
> copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita j

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Bukan ko sentiasa lapar dan 'mematahkan' benda ke E1? 
He he
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Terus lapar kembali daku .. Ahakss. 


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From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 
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The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
branding sendiri.

Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
maklumat).

Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.

So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
daripada Ubuntu.

Harap anda dapat maksud saya.

Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.

Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
 Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
tidak berhak saman kita pun.

Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.

Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark
nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan
nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda
semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu.

Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS dan diedarkan,
mereka tidak boleh marah. :) tapi jika syarikat itu katakan OSS dalam
CD itu hak mereka, maka FiMOS boleh mewakili kita untuk pertahankan
OSS dalam packager yang asal daripada mereka. Rumitkan perkara-perkara
dalam OSS ...

Sebagai packager, tidak kira FiMOS, OShirix, SimpleLinux dan Sabily,
anda semua berhak untuk pakejkan khidmat bayaran terhadap usaha edaran
dan sokongan terhadap hasil distros anda. Berapa harganya pun, itu
ikut kiraan masing-masing, kalau nak bagi free pun bagus. Tapi khidmat
sokongan ini belanjanya besar. Gaji nak bayar, helpdesk nak bayar dan
admin nak bayar. Its cost. So jangan sampai rugi dan lepas tu hilang..
Its happen too last Malaysian distros

Bagi kita, jika rasa mahal support tu, Hmmm, pandai-pandailah runding
harga.. Tawar menawar. :)

Ada perkara mungkin kita tidak selesa dan tidak setuju, tapi dalam
dunia OSS ni, ia tidak salah. Contoh, jika FiMOS tidak sediakan
kemudahan download distros mereka, itu tidak salah, sebab mereka telah
memilih untuk edarkan dengan cara kita perlu beli CD mereka dan
perkhidmatan mereka. Mereka telah memilih cara edaran yang boleh
diterima pakai dalam lesen OSS.

Wahhh, pening-pening, saya pun mula-mula pening. Selepas naik motor
berjam-jam hari2 pergi kerja dan lawat projek2, baru saya terfikir, ia
tidak jadi satu kesalahan sebab kita masih ada satu perkara. Kita pun
boleh buat macam mereka. I can build my own Linux. Atau dengan cara
Centos pun boleh, beli CD mereka dan kemudian edarkan semula dengan
keluarkan semua trademark FiMOS.

Kita bebas untuk me

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Nampaknya hasil yang digubal di dalam linux Fimos menggunakan framework bisnes 
yang baik. Tapi kadangkala tidak difahami oleh pengguna biasa dan baru yang 
didedahkan oleh Ubuntu dalam idea mereka yang menekankan prinsip free sampai 
bila-bila.
Fimos dah bergerak laju dihadapan depan pengurusan mereka menekankan support 
yang agak sukar dan membosankan pengguna baru yang ingin menggunakan Linux dan 
tidak mahu memikirkan masalah apabila menggunakan Linux. 
Langkah OSDC memantau pergerakan pembangunan Fimos adalah baik dan juga 
pemahaman kepada pengguna terhadap penggunaan Linux juga difikirkan perlu 
kerana jika di dalam Kementerian Pelajaran sendiri, licence untuk penggunaan 
produk adalah serendah RM 30 dengan hanya menunjukkan identiti anda sebagai 
pelajar atau kakitangan Kementerian Pelajaran anda layak mendapat harga produk 
daripada Microsoft daripada harga serendah RM 30.
Cabaran Fimos untuk memasuki Kementerian Pelajaran (sehingga ke peringkat 
sekolah dan Matrikulasi) perlu dikaji semula memandangkan harga yang ditawarkan 
mereka sebelum ini adalah RM 111 (betulkan saya jika ianya salah) dan harga 
yang ditawarkan daripada Microsoft adalah serendah RM 30, manakala Kolej-kolej 
Matrikulasi dalam cadangan menggunakan Ubuntu sebagai Sistem Pengendali Ubuntu 
secara total memandangkan kestabilan dan keselesaan dalam Teachinng and 
Learning Material mereka.
Tindakan fimos menggunakan nama selain daripada Ubuntu juga adalah betul (jika 
source code diambil daripada Ubuntu) kerana Canonical sendiri melarang sebarang 
penjualan Ubuntu Derivatives seperti yang dinyatakan di dalam Laman Web mereka.
Persoalannya, kita mahu menyokong dan kita semestinya tidak mahu OS ini lenyap 
satu hari nanti dan langkah dan rapi dan support yang berterusan haruslah 
dirangka, manakala OSDC sebagai satu badan yang mempunyai rangkaian expert yang 
tinggi boleh membantu dalam pembangunan OS mereka.
Sekadar pandangan biasa saya. 
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From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:54:04 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

The problem with Ubuntu Muslim was the words Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the
trademark and copyright of Canonical. The decision to use Sabily is
the best decision. Sabily has its own branding. Bagus bila ada
branding sendiri.

Ubuntu base on Debian, Sabily base on Ubuntu. Thats the beauty of open
sources software dan FiMOS base on Linux dan mungkin besar daripada
Ubuntu. (Maaf saya tunggu FiMOS jelaskan, tapi bagi saya itu tidak
penting, yang penting daripada CD FiMOS saya leh kaji dan dapatkan
maklumat).

Tapi ada isu jugak ni. Saya pun dalam isu trademark Ubuntu, nampaknya
keras, Kalau dibaca betul2 Ubuntu tak bagi pun dalam banyak perkara
sebut, distros yang telah diubah dan tidak serupa Ubuntu dipanggil
Ubuntu atau dikatakan daripada Ubuntu. Adoi pening-pening.

So bagi saya, jika FiMOS tidak sebut mereka daripada Ubuntu, langkah
mereka ada betulnya. Ia adalah isu trademark dan copyright Ubuntu.
Bukan isu hendak sembunyikan hal yang sebenarnya. Perkara ini unik
dalam business yang menggunakan OSS. Don't used my name even you are
using my car. Hehehe.. Leceh-leceh. Kerana Canonical tidak mahu Ubuntu
wpun disebut sebagai asal pun, kerana ia boleh dianggap sebagai
promosi dan pergunakan nama Ubuntu untuk perniagaan atau perkara lain
daripada Ubuntu.

Harap anda dapat maksud saya.

Contoh kita adalah CentOS, memang terang2 kita tengok nama fail dan
setting macam Redhat, namun mereka tidak dapat nak sebut pun nama
Redhat atau bagitahu asal mereka daripada RedHat.

Dalam OSS kita boleh ambil, pakej balik, edar balik dan yang paling
penting kita boleh tahu dari mana hendak dapatkan source codes semua
software OSS, tidak semesti daripada packager. Tanggung jawab mereka
bagitahu, jangan lindung atau tukar nama apa2 OSS dalam edaran mereka.
 Dan tidak semesti mereka perlu buka mulut. Apabila kita dapat CD,
maka kita boleh buka lihat dan fahamkan inti pati OS mereka. Mereka
tidak berhak saman kita pun.

Ia akan jadi kesalahan kepada FiMOS jika mereka marah kepada kita
apabila kita hack, korek, edit dan ambil tahu OSS dalam CD mereka.
Selagi mereka OK dan tidak bertindak saman atau katakan itu OSS mereka
punya then kita tiada masalah dan mereka tiada masalah. Kalau
sebaliknya berlaku then kita kena fight for it.

Tapi kita perlu ingat, brand nama FiMOS adalah hak mereka, trademark
dan copyright. Mereka berhak untuk pertahankan trandemark dan
copyright itu. Mereka berhak saman kita jika kita salah guna trademark
nama mereka. Malah mereka sebenarnya boleh saman kita kerana gunakan
nama FiMOS dalam niat tidak baik. Rumitnya isu trademark ni. Tapi anda
semua perlu tahu. kita sebenarnya boleh disaman malu.

Dan bagi saya, jika ada berlaku kes dimana, packager FiMOS diambil
oleh syarikat lain dan diubah dan dikeluarkan FiMOS d

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Kita nak bincang dalam ruang lingkup OSS atau ruang lingkup FiMOS. Saya rasa 
better dalam tajuk baru, sebab nanti kita akan mengambil contoh FiMOS dan 
membuka semula isu My1OS atau FiMOS.
Kita buka tajuk baru cemana? 
Sekadar cadangan
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From: Harisfazillah Jamel 
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:19:08 
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera,

Sebentar tadi baru saya terfikir, sedang kita minta mana-mana Distros
untuk release source codes mereka, kita sebenarnya meminta yang
sememang telah disebarkan oleh setiap projek dan perisian OSS yang
dalam Distros.

Sebagai contoh :-

1) Apabila sesebuah Distros mengatakan mereka base on Linux, maka
dengan sendirinya kita boleh dapatkan source codes Kernel Linux dan
apa jua yang digunakan oleh Distro tersebut terus daripada projek
websites. Kita hanya perlu tahu apa yang mereka gunakan dan thats it.
Source codes sememang ada dimana.

Soalan saya, kepada pengguna Linux Distro seperti Debian, Ubuntu,
OpenSuse dan Fedora, siapa yang config repos atau yum atau apt untuk
download source codes RPM atau DEB.

Saya pun tak mahu sebab terlalu besar

2) Jika ada customization atau sebarang trademark dimasukkan dalam
hasil Distro maka ia adalah hak punya pembuatnya dan pemilik
trademark.

Sebagai contoh, jika kita ambil CD ubuntu dan keluarkan semua dalam CD
tersebut apa jua trademark Ubuntu, dan sebarkan semula sebagai CD
Linux, maka kita tidak salah.. Sebab isi perut CD adalah perisian OSS.
Kita telah keluarkan perkara yang Canonical akan marah, perkataan dan
logo Ubuntu.

Begitu juga dalam kes Centos. Semua trademark dan copyright dan apa
jua software bukan OSS telah dikeluarkan dan disebarkan semula sebagai
Centos. Red Hat tidak bising pun... Malah secara tidak rasmi membantu
pihak komuniti Centos untuk kenal pasti mana Red Hat yang punya dan
diminta dikeluarkan.

Jadi soalan saya, jika saya ambil asal dulu CD ubuntu yang dah jadi CD
Linux kemudian saya customize dan masukkan logo dan apa jua nama saya
dan namakan Distro LinuxMalaysia, adakah saya salah?

3) Apa juga perisian yang dibuat sendiri pembangun adalah hak mereka.
Sekiranya mereka putuskan apa yang mereka tulis dan compile adalah
copyright mereka dan source codes hak mereka, maka itu hak mereka.
Jika mereka sebarkan dalam CD Linux distros pun, kita masih tiada hak
untuk menuntut  mereka perlu tunjukkan source codes. Perisian tertutup
yang dijalankan atas Linux yang sumber terbuka tiada kaitan apa pun
dari segi lesen. Lesen anda adalah lesen anda dan lesen saya adalah
lesen saya.

Yang terdekat adalah Googlebuntu.

Banyak lagi saya nak tulis tapi sudah jauh malam dan mengantuk, saya
biarkan ini dulu untuk perbincangan.

Wassalam.

Harisfazillah Jamel

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Sokong? Cam mengundi je ;)

P.S: Jangan lupa bawa ole2 dari Sarawak
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From: "Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim" 
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:34:16 
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Sy tetap sokong tuan tajul .


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From: "Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin" 
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:31:43 
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Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from 
Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark 
Shuttleworth personally, he don't  have any problem if Sabily want to use the 
name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. 
Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word "Ubuntu 
Muslim Edition".
After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a 
project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that.
Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any 
derivatives from Ubuntu.
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Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

I do agree what rafe said.

Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
thought.

For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you
think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce
and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro
priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been
freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out
with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.

Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
sama.

Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan
lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the
project and let's the project bloom.

Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
satu-satu. Ahaks!

OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise  wrote:

> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
> hehe...
> enjoy
>
> azhar
>
>
>
> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>
>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>  wrote:
>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>> > have a good night
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>> >>
>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>> >> stories than you do..
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
>> >> > akan
>> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that
>> we
>> >> > got
>> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
>> walaupun
>> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
>> >> > pekena
>> >> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
&

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Sabily violated and accused by Ubuntu? I think its just misunderstanding from 
Canonical Management, and after Sabily developer manage to meet Mark 
Shuttleworth personally, he don't  have any problem if Sabily want to use the 
name Ubuntu Muslim Edition, eventhough we had change our name to Sabily. 
Surprisingly, he didn't know that we have been accused to use word "Ubuntu 
Muslim Edition".
After a discussion made in mailing list, everybody agreed to use Sabily as a 
project name, and Mark don't have any problem with that.
Sabily is clearly derivatives from Ubuntu like edubuntu or kubuntu or any 
derivatives from Ubuntu.
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I do agree what rafe said.

Community is an open group, so there's should nothing involving one person
thought.

For me, what FiMOS do is not really be accepted at the beginning, but if you
think back, FiMOS is not like molloin dololars Canonical that can produce
and ship the disk for free. When I were planning to do our own distro
priject with bizkut (well not a really a distro, which is now has been
freeze because of some problem), the idea are still the same but came out
with limited edition netbooks. Reasons? Nakkan modal balik dulu.

Mungkin peringkat awal mereka jual, tapi siapa tau akhirnya jadi seperti
Sabily; an Ubuntu based that build up with an edition for that distro, but
in the end they has been accused violated the trademark (which is clearly
they did), and after transforming to Sabily, they manage to make their own
version although still dependent to Ubuntu but still, they have their
own repository. That's one one man job, tapi komuniti Ubuntu Muslim Edition
di waktu itu menentukan. Walaupun marketing berbeza, tapi stratergy masih
sama.

Harap-harap pihak FiMOS dapat lepaskan source code supaya bertepatan dengan
lesen GNU-GPL v3.0. Apa-apa pun good luck, the community will back up the
project and let's the project bloom.

Harap thred ni *kalau boleh* tamat di sini ajelah, penat den nak baca
satu-satu. Ahaks!

OshiriX? sampai sekarang aku jumpa siapa developer diorang. HAHA. (wait, I
heard that distro has been made by one person only) :p

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, riZer Enterprise  wrote:

> are you coming for the first malaysian distro workshop?
> hope to see you all there and why not next time distro workshop in penang
> hehe...
> enjoy
>
> azhar
>
>
>
> 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>
>> dude. if you want to do know the way of the community, let it be open
>> and known. lets get everyone involve and everyone to solve. no point
>> of dragging it longer and longer...
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, riZer Enterprise
>>  wrote:
>> > the best kita face to face 26.3 ok?
>> > have a good night
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/12 rafe azsnal 
>> >>
>> >> bro, you are saying as if we have no brain and we can't think which is
>> >> right and which is not... what to believed and what to not. what your
>> >> actual problem with FIMOS? let us know maybe some of us here know more
>> >> stories than you do..
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:53 AM, riZer Enterprise
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > orait orait katalah korang boleh accept ini. don't you think that you
>> >> > akan
>> >> > dijual seluruhnya. sanggupkah korang menggadaikan the only thing that
>> we
>> >> > got
>> >> > untuk this crap. maksudnya korang sanggup lah beli proton saga
>> walaupun
>> >> > korang kena tipu harga kat luar jauh lebih murah dari malaysia
>> >> > topeng macam2 ada babe. topeng muka baik lagi belambak. topeng nak
>> >> > pekena
>> >> > orang pun tak terkecuali. takpelah kalau korang puas hati dia ni
>> >> > bermaksud
>> >> > baik kepada komuniti dan korang confirm yang dia ni takkan menjual
>> >> > korang
>> >> > seluruhnya ok. kita tengok sapa pakai topeng nanti.
>> >> >
>> >> > azhar
>> >> >
>> >> > 2011/3/11 rafe azsnal 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dude, bila orang berbudi kita berbahasa. Community is not an
>> individual
>> >> >> but a group of people who share the same interest and passion toward
>> >> >> completing a single or multiple objective. You can't change the
>> world
>> >> >> overnight. It take times and it takes effort to built and to succed.
>> By
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> taking the +ve side of thing you are already a -ve person and your
>> >> >> whole
>> >> >> view are turn only to one side which limit the freedom of choice
>> >> >> itself. One
>> >> >> must be knowledgeable in what one have commented regardless or you
>> >> >> might end
>> >> >> up in a hole where you can't see the light anymore.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And to note to that how sure are you when you put a statement above
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> you said open bravo and open core are limited by capacity toward the
>> >> >> OSS
>> >> >> movement? You

Re: [osdcmy] Re: Tender for integrated open source hospital information system

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Mr amree from KKM?
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Projek masyuk ni, tapi rasanya, sistem open sos yang sedia ada tak boleh run 
macam tu je, banyak lagi yang perlu diubah untuk disesuaikan dengan cara 
hospital dijalankan di sini. So, ubah = +kos, pastu nak maintain lagik, 
++kos, untuk kompeni, ini adalah satu peluang keemasan, ye lah, industri IT 
dalam bidang healthcare ni banyak mende, contohnya: medical record, xray, 
lab information system, online prescription, blood bank dan lain-lain. Then, 
kalau sistem ini berjaya dijalankan di satu hospital, ada chance untuk ianya 
dijalankan di hospital lain di Malaysia (mungkin semua?), wah, nice $$$.

Tapi bagi orang IT hospital, ini akan mengakibatkan duit lagi banyak keluar, 
padahal duit tu boleh digunakan untuk beli ubat-ubatan kepada rakyat yang 
makin lama makin tade sebab asyik kene potong. Penah satu masa dulu, 
kitaorang diarahkan untuk guna sistem dari German, kosnya lebih RM 10 juta, 
tu pon untuk pengurusan alat steril sahaja (which is actually not as big as 
other modules).

p/s: BTW, in the end, kitaorang berjaya tolak sistem tu and buat sendiri 
guna Java SE + MySQL, dengan kos seorang pegawai IT and penolong pegawai IT 
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Tender for integrated open source hospital information system

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Dia kekadang bukan satu company yg sapu, tapi kadangkala kita ruang menyerlah 
ttg kehadiran kita. 
Sebagai KOSTem mungkin ble, tapi since kita pun belum officially exist, tapi 
sbg osdc mungkin ada kebarangkalian ada situasi menang-menang sikit di situ.
Saya lihat ramai developer yang hebat di sini. Dan saya pasti solution yang 
diberikan adalah hebat dengan kos yang berpatutan. 
Just another my 1 cent yang tak berapa tere di sini ;)
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Aik, bukankah Kompakar dah sapu projek2 untuk hospital under Kementerian 
Kesihatan Malaysia? Seriously, Pegawai IT ramai kat KKM, something should be 
done untuk buat satu sistem sendiri yang boleh di maintain oleh semua 
orang-orang IT di KKM. Jimat duit + Tambah ilmu. 

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Re: [osdcmy] Tender for integrated open source hospital information system

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Kalau purpose as a team maybe MAMPu akan consider kot. Kalau tak rasa cam susah 
sikit untuk masuk kot. Ke macamana?
Maksud say as a team adalah osdc.my purpose idea. Kalau tak sometime giant 
company will win.
Just may 45 cents la.
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Menarik ni .. Ada berani kah Yobibear



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Team,

A friend inform me about this tender "Tender for integrated open
source hospital information system". I will try to get more info from
EP.

>From search

http://www.technopreneurdevelopment.net.my/cms/General.asp?whichfile=ICT+Tenders&ProductID=26556&CatID=


New Straits Times, 03 Mar 2011, 1klassifieds p.C20:-

Invitation from: Malaysia Administration & Management Planning
Modernization Unit (MAMPU), Prime Minister Department

Tender for: To test, commission, train and maintain Integrated Open
Source Hospital Information System Project Application and provision
of software and hardware based on open source for the implementation
of Integrated Open Source Hospital Information System Project.

Tender no: MAMPU/PERKHIDMATAN/2/2011

Eligibility: Companies registered with Ministry of Finance under code:
210101, 210102, 210103, 210104, 210105 & 210106.

Details from: Urus Setia Tender MAMPU, Unit Pemodenan Tadbiran dan
Perancangan Pengurusan Malaysia (MAMPU), Aras 6, Blok B2, Kompleks
Jabatan Perdana Menteri, Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan 62502
Putrajaya.

Fax: 03-83184412;

Email: tenderopen...@mampu.gov.my; Web-site: www.eperolehan.com.my

Briefing:

Date: 10 March 2011;

Time: 0930 hours;

Venue: Bilik Mesyuarat Aras 2, BDPICT MAMPU, Bangunan MKN-Embassy
Techzone, Blok B, No 3200, Jalan Teknokrat 2, 63000 Cyberjaya.

Attendance: Compulsory

Closing Date: by 1200 hours on 31 March 2011

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Re: [osdcmy] Monthly event for OSDC.my

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Cam lagu Boyzone lak ni.. ;)
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when the going get's tough the tough gets going

azhar
just my svai euro

2011/3/6 Harisfazillah Jamel 

> OK we have Wariola for the month of April. Lets set this once a month
> to get the momentum.
>
> For month of March we already Workshop for Inter Distros on 26th. So
> we already start the momentum.
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:30 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> > Because now we got permission to use Hackerspacekl to run event, I say
> lets
> > have a event each month under osdc.my. It is not necessary in
> hackerspacekl,
> > but it is already there, why not use it.
> >
> > Because wariola have already volunteered for virtualization related talk,
> we
> > can start with that. So I propose that we start on april, if he is
> available
> > la, or this month also can. Or we can start with distro workshop this
> month.
> >
> > One reason is, it is a long time since we have a proper FOSS meetup, and
> > just talk on mailing list don't cut it, and hackerspacekl can have more
> > activity
> >
> > We don't really need to have a talk, if that month a distro released, so
> we
> > might do a distro release for that month. I suggest do it on a weekend,
> and
> > do it monthly so that we can to reduce the load.
> >
> > What you guys say...
> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. -long rant

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Adei garfield.. He he..
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That is kucing, not harimau
Muahahahahah. Miao Miao!
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Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

I think MQA is not under Ministry of Education. 
It is corporate agency that handles all qualification of Universities. In the 
government agency hieracry, MQA sit under Ministry of Higher Education 
(Kementerian Pengajian Tinggi).
There is a few cases whereby certain courses not been certified not because of 
the syllabus, but because of management of universities not applying for 
certification from MQA.
  
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hi all,

here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done
in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and
Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, 

Have a read and pls comment...

Critique of MQA Computing Program Document
-

Ah, I make a bold claim, I finally may have figured out a possible
reason why our august Universities produce thousands of graduates that
are 'unemployable' as far as IT is concerned. The blame must solely
rest on the shoulders of the MQA (Malaysia Qualifications Agency)
under the Min. of Edu. Its also known as LAN (Lembaga Accredition
Negara)

http://www.mqa.gov.my/

This 'organ' sets the 'standards'(sic) for all HEPs(Higher Education
Providers) in the country, both local and foreign. Yes, even if MIT or
Harvard were to set up here, their 'standards' will be governed by
them! And it covers not only IT, but also Bitotechnology, Medicine and
Health Sc. etc

I downlaoded a PDF on the subject area of Computing:
http://www.mqa.gov.my/garispanduan/ENGLISH%20Computing_6.1.10_doc.pdf

This does not cover all parts of IT, Netwk Engin.(SysAdmin) etc.. is
handled by other docs.
(so this rant may not apply to the Netwk Engineers, SysAdmins etc..)

But it covers all aspects of higher edu for 'Computing':

- the type of courses and professionals it develops, presumably
for our HR needs...

- the qualifiactions required to enter and awarded upon completion,

- the 'programme objectives' what the course try to achive, the
type fo skills
   grads. will have

- what the syllabus should cover

- the accredition, way marks/grading are accorded

- Learning Outcomes, what skills/knowledge the grads. will be
equipped with (!?)

  note:
Compared to a similar document for BioTech and Engineering, the curriculum
seeems to be far less detailed when compared to IT. A lot of freedom seems
to be given to instituitions to determine their own. Why then should our
industry be so closely scrutinised?

As a quick summary, here are my interpretations, I may be wrong, and
if so soemone please prove me wrong!

It seems 'programming skills' are not required for BSc grads, but are
required for Diploma grads WTF, !? (Learning Outcomes, Diploma, pg
14,i). It seems 'programming' is considered a lowly skill suitable for
Diploma holders, whereas BSc grads are suppose to be System Analysts
and and Proj. Managers!? And BSc grads are suppose to have
'entrepeneurial' skills (pg15 Generic Learning Outcomes, vi) - so they
can be the next Facebook I suppose...

If this is true, it sets a dangerous and unreal expectations for the
students! No wonder most Comp. Sc. grads. don't want to do programming
or can't code! And they want to be SAs and PMs? No Way! Without
knowing or having done extensive programming, they won't have the
depth of knowledge to manage progrmmers, let alone win their respect.
They won't be able to evaluate the complexity and timeline required
without understanding the tools or its methodology. Worst still, they
will end up making the technical decisions, instead of the programmers
that are actually doing the work! (Does a construction site-supervisor
tell his carpenter what tools he should use? NO!) It just means they
make 'dumb' managers which the coders can fool!

Also they (grads) probably think they don't need to do programming,
and they can straightaway be PMs and SAs but the market and
employers certainly don't agree!

Holy Dilbert! The fact is that our Unis are producing PHBs (Pointy
Haired Bosses) the clueless yet arrogant boss of Dilbert in the comic
strip!

Haris(OSDC) was trying to form a committee to try and introduce FOSS
into Education. I would think the work should start with the MQA. Also
who are the people that make such major decisions that affect the
future of our nation, are they qualified? Do they have industry
experiance? Are they free of vested interested? Are there HW or SW
vendors among them?

I think most of you who are serious about parctising IT and developing
the SW industry in Malaysia will agree with me that some of these
decisions are seriously flawed.
I certainly hope that such errors in judgement are d

Re: [osdcmy] WHY MDEC BEING A TARGET OF YOUR OWN FAILURE?

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

Huh.. Dah macam ceramah pagi..
However pun, saya mmg respect dengan semua!!
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Dear Rafe,
Firstly i do not think you should aplogize because to me you did not do 
anything wrong against me personally. Alow me to continue in our 
national languge so that there is no misunderstanding.

Saya rasa saudara tidak harus memohon ampun dengan sesiapa berdasarkan 
nawaitu saudara memang jelas adalah bagi kebaikan semua. Bukanlah niat 
saudara mahu curi basikal saya atau hantuk kepala saya sampai berdarah. 
Pendek kata kerjaya dan peranan saudara adalah untuk kebaikan dan jelas 
sudah pun bawa kebaikan dibeberapa tempat. Jika tidak, saya percaya 
saudara tidak akan mendapat kepuasan kerjaya (macam saya sekitika 
dahulu) dan akan meletak jawatan.

Apa yang kita lakukan di sini dan selama ini (thanks to Raja Iskandar's 
wish) adalah untuk berdialog, berdebat maupun bercanggah pendapat kerana 
ini adalah amalan negara bebas dan berdemokrasi. Satu suara berada di 
pihak kerajaan dan satu suara berada nun jauh diseberang. Masing-masing 
ada cita-rasa tersendiri dan pandangan yang memang berbeza apatah lagi 
bertentangan. Jika kedua-dua pihak asyik bersetuju saja, apa nama 
demokrasi ini?

Cuma saya terkuis (sorry if i misuse this malay word) adalah setiap kali 
kita sampai kemuncak yang hapir klimaks hidup mati satu-satu hujah, kita 
samada merajuk atau susun sepuluh jari seolah Hari Raya Aidil Fitri 
menjelang tiba pagi ini. Tidak boleh elak sekiranya saya bersuara bukan 
Melayu kerana saya orang Muslim berbangsa Cina yang tidak mengamalkan 
beberapa perkara yang saya rasa tidak sesuai dengan apa yang saya 
belajar dari Islam. Saya berpegang kepada prinsip bebas bersuara, dan 
memohon maaf hanya sekiranya mencuri dan merampas hak orang lain atau 
apa jua yang melanggar hukum syarak lalu dituntut oleh hukum tersebut 
suapay memohon maaf terlbeih dahulu sebelum Allah mengampuni hamba. Jika 
tersilap cakap itu lumrah bahasa dan bukti semangat emosi yang sihat 
diluahkan (lebih baik dari dendam dalam hati lepas itu meletup entah pa 
jadahnya). Sahabat Nabi pun pernah bertengkak dengan Nabi sehingga 
keluar perkataan 'lu syaitan! get out of my face' (mafhumnya) dari mulut 
Nabi kepada Umar alKhattab.

Bagi saya, saya enjoy letusan mental, intelektual dan hujah demi untuk 
bersama membina masa depan negara yang mempunyai dasar yang benar, tepat 
dan berjaya. <-- w, macam ceramah BTN pulak dah!

So, with that, i hope you have not put down arms and accept that i will 
strike you * again once i recover from my slight flu at this moment.

To Haris, maybe i need to admit that i must have really hurt his 
feelings. Itulah hari itu Eric sama Fadil ada lu tada, miss belanja 
makan kat kedai Aturcara Rahsia (Secret Recipt).

On 3/2/11 12:51 PM, rafe azsnal wrote:
> first and foremost i would like to take this opportunity to apologize
> for the blunt and improper words that i use in my context. truly and
> sincerely i do apologize but it still doesn't change the fact that is
> some individual pursuing their own agenda rather than the whole
> movement. a personal vendetta will only bring more damage that good.
>
> Haris, we have been working together since day 1 i receive the
> portfolio of OSS and we have done great thing despite what others has
> said. and honestly i am proud of what that has become of OSDC.MY i do
> hope that it will blooms beautifully in time... but you need to be
> stronger and have bigger balls to roll with.. :)
>
> azrul, i have the utmost respect for u, being a man that you are, a
> husband to a wife that love you, a father to child that meant the
> world to them, a strong supporter to the course that you believed in,
> and as an individual who cares about your countrymen. who doesn't
> believed that wealth and knowledge is only for a certain individual
> but to everybody. i believed you will be an important asset to the
> country when the time comes. InsyaAllah all your sorrow and
> disappointment will be the courage that others will fight upon...
>
> red1, i can't stop you from being ass that you are :-) . a brave man
> that you are who stand tall among the rest... being a world leader and
> being a fighter who know no defeat with an army goat in your neighbor
> reban. i have learn a lot from like you which some of you bad
> personalities has been adapted by me to used it against you.. :)
> hahahaha.. i do hope you don't keep it in your heart where all of
> these is a training ground for our younger generation to be. we're not
> here forever the younger generation should take the lead by now and
> making you proud already red1. i do hope one day you would materialize
> your dream in bringing back what you love most to th

Re: [osdcmy] Call For Distros Workshop

[Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin]

I folow..
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:18:47 
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wa'alaikumussalam..
Insyaallah.. i will there!

2011/2/28 Harisfazillah Jamel 

> Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera,
>
> I call for Distros workshop again and meet all of you, guys and gals
> and all parties and distros can present each other projects and work
> together to get all the projects success.
>
> No one win, and no one will gain. We really need each others.
>
> My target date is 26 March 2011. Fazli and I will arrange this.
>
> Thank you.
>
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